lore-nerdz

[main mural]

lol

[bold dove]

'Look' doesn't equal to 'is'

[rain dock]

Not all. Some go directly to plasma and don't have a liquid state

[main mural]

gotta fix the pressure

but yeah, lots of things will skip steps at earth pressure.

[rain dock]

I mean, if you think about it from an atomic scale there is no such thing as liquid, or solid, or gas, or plasma. It's all the same thing

[bold dove]

If the melting point of wood is so much lower then the burning point, and it becomes charcoal before the melting point.
Wouldn't that fundamentally mean it's impossible for wood to melt, making it not meltable?

[bold dove]

Okay, but I'm not thinking on a atomic scale, I'm thinking on a personal scale.

[rain dock]

What does that even mean lol

[main mural]

it can't burn if you put it in a vacuum. it'll just unravel/breakdown due to the heat.

[main mural]

means macro.

[bold dove]

Yes

[rain dock]

Things can burn in a vacuum

Wood can't, generally

[bold dove]

It does burn though, I literally just watched a video of someone doing so.
It just doesn't catch on fire.
But it still burns in individual spots.

[main mural]

gotta heat it properly as well. it won't fire burn just breakdown.

those burns are probably it breaking down lol. or oxygen that started miniature fires.

[bold dove]

So it does burn in vacuums.

[main mural]

you are arguing around the point

wood isn't a single compound so no it won't melt.

[bold dove]

I ain't arguing, I'm just stating a fact that wood can not realistically melt, as it'll burn much way before it does start to possibly melt. 🤷‍♂️

[rain dock]

Wood isn't a crystalline solid.

It doesn't make sense to talk about a melting point for it

Element is a crystalline solid

[bold dove]

Right.
But the original point is that you said 'everything' can melt, and I brought up 'wood'
Wood, can not realistically melt.

[main mural]

wood is a bunch of stuff together. its not a single compound or even a few. its a TON of stuff all next to each other.

everything that makes up wood can melt. the point still stands

[rain dock]

Wood is not a substance that actually exists

[main mural]

Lol

[bold dove]

Tell that to the trees.

[main mural]

its half right actually lol. its not a particular kind of matter with uniform properties.

[rain dock]

Melting only makes sense on an atomic level. Wood does not exist at an atomic level

[main mural]

thats what substance means

[bold dove]

That's treeist.

[main mural]

tell that to rockwell

[bold dove]

Rockwell doesn't do anything to trees.

[main mural]

he eats trees for breakfast.

[rain dock]

He turned them blue

[bold dove]

He never did that?

[main mural]

rockwell prime

[rain dock]

Also, props to Rockwell for making bioluminesent trees

[bold dove]

You're being ironic, right?

[main mural]

me or raq lol

[bold dove]

Raq.

[main mural]

rockwells side of eden remember?

whats the gen2 ship called lol

[bold dove]

There's bioluminesent trees on Gen2?

[main mural]

just gonna call it eden

[bold dove]

That's literally what it's called

[main mural]

really? 😂

[bold dove]

Oh wait, the ships name.

It's the name of the map.

'Genesis-ship'

[main mural]

thats a bad name. should be called eden ship

[bold dove]

To be fair, Eden was just one ring though.

[main mural]

what was the other ring before rockwell?

[bold dove]

We don't know.

[main mural]

probably eden then

[bold dove]

But there's also a whole 90% of the other parts of the ship that aren't on the rings

[main mural]

the rings are the point of the ship aren't they

[bold dove]

Yes and no.
They hold the life, but there's all of the other internal parts of the ship where the crew where.

[main mural]

OH, its the bible lol. its a play on words for noah's ark

[bold dove]

What?

[main mural]

book of genesis has noah's ark in it thats it I imagine

[bold dove]

That's.....literally the whole point of the game.

[main mural]

yeah, but instead of ark. its now genesis. they aren't gonna call it the ark ship lol

[bold dove]

The ARK's being a form of Noah's-ARK, storing life.
The-Collapse being akin to The-Flood, where it wiped out all life on Earth till the ARK settled down.

[bold dove]

Yeah, Genesis means 'a new beginning'

[main mural]

judging by that ext ascension, they don't look like they are settling. they straight bombing the planet lol

[bold dove]

The EMP blast is to eradicate the Corruption, while being harmless to non-Element based life

[main mural]

just gotta hope the arks are working 😂 ab probably got destroyed when it fell

[bold dove]

Did you not see the ending?

[main mural]

they still gotta land 🙄 ab was broken.

[bold dove]

'probably got destroyed'
It 'DID' get destroyed

[main mural]

when I missed it

[bold dove]

The alpha ending

[main mural]

I'm dumb and never connected that to ab lol

the purple obelisk probably should've told me

[bold dove]

It literally has the purple obelisk, and the Aberration exclusive transmitters.

And Rockwell's roar

[main mural]

I'm blind

I'm deaf

don't blame me

I'm stupid too

[bold dove]

You're everything.

[main mural]

ah, can I melt?

[bold dove]

Let's test.

[brazen sparrow]

Y'all are wack af

[carmine cedar]

Friendly reminder that Mei Yin is thicc to break up the weird af convo

[main mural]

that feels weirder

lets go back to melting stuff

[carmine cedar]

I will not have any disrespect to Thicc Mei Yin

[main mural]

is there any liquid in ark besides the environment lol. I guess gasoline

Oh you can make beer lol. always forget that 😂

[bold dove]

water

[main mural]

wasn't counting that sense its obvious lol. propellent

[bold dove]

Water in reservoirs.

[main mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/453822354590793729.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[gusty turret]

How many fluid ounces of element would it take to melt Mei Yin

[lyric tendon]

none, she's made of cheat codes

[mental basin]

Melting Han-Dynasty Chinese woman in sulfuric acid ASMR

[wary ruin]

D:

[lyric tendon]

But the question is

"Will She Blend?"

||Only classic memers know this reference||

[gusty turret]

King titan 1000000 degree knife challenge (gone wrong)

[gusty turret]

Technically counting primitive plus and custom recipes theres loads of different liquids

[split gyro]

Dont forget beer

[gusty turret]

Organic polymer juice

[split gyro]

ah yes my favorite.. respawn candy and citronal juice

[mental basin]

I've found a misconception.

Though the URE and Feds made peace before the Extinction, it didn't last.

HLN-A describes them as being equal- lacking any ideological differences.

But they started fighting over Element all over again, for some reason.

[urban sparrow]

u mean edmundium?

[lyric tendon]

Diana: we were fighting for resources, specifically, element

Uma: we just want to snort them

[low briar]

'Ehm, aktchuallay...'

[mental basin]

'Ehm, ARKchuallay...'

[daring bronze]

just found out that theres lore to this game TODAY.............

and i want to play it through

with someone to hold my hand...

[strange nymph]

Once you find out
There's no turning back, your destiny is to read survival notes and watch lore videos until the end of time

[gusty turret]

Ive yet to watch a lore video

I watched the noodle short about poop

Cuz it just came up

[mental basin]

If you have any questions, ping me.

I know everything.

[gusty turret]

That sounds like what someone who doesn't know everything would say

[mental basin]

You know that I know everything.

[gusty turret]

You don't know that i know that you know everything

[unique cobalt]

Urp

[low briar]

Urp

[mental basin]

Removed Diana from TAS

I'm going to cry

💧

[brazen sparrow]

Continue jumping to conclusions

[mental basin]

Homie has no common sense!!

Unless there's some weird love triangle THING, Diana was Rockwell snapped out of existence.

[mental basin]

I may be wrong Bruising.

I think I need a thorough clown Emoji'ing.

[bronze turtle]

now im not homophobic but apparently mei yin is a lesbian for diana? that doesnt make sense bc ancient china being homosexual could be punished by death and children were taught that homosexuality is a sin so mei yin would most likely have the same standpoint before she came to the arks nad since the storys specifys that all these people who are on the arks have their memories of their life implanted so they would have the same thoughts and political standpoint so it doesnt make sense for mei yin to be lesbian but diana its different she is from the future where lgbtq rights and the overly arge amount of support for it already exists it just doesnt add up i might be missing something

[mental basin]

Mei-Yin has never followed the """rules""".

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps, if only we could react in here...

[mental basin]

We can't anymore!? 💀 They revoked our clown rights tf

[bronze turtle]

still but the ancient chinese were very strict about the rules and tried very hard for everyone to be perfect if not they were brainwashed

[mental basin]

Mei-Yin is the Mulan of ARK

[brazen sparrow]

Not to mention, there are no rules on the Ark, so

Besides, Mei was rebelling against the empire, not following it

[mental basin]

She even helped rebel against the Yellow Turbans as a female, when she wasn't allowed

[bronze turtle]

theyre memories are downloaded so they would have the same personality and political viewpoint would they not?

[brazen sparrow]

She's a rebel, so yes she would

[inland umbra]

I love how the entire game could of not happened if humans didn’t touch element 😭

[mental basin]

Mei-Yin isn't homophobic to begin with.

If she was, she wouldn't like Di.

This debate is moot.

[bronze turtle]

how do you know if she rebeled in her old life it would go to brainwashing i also feel you are dismissing this and you are standing from a biased standpoint

[mental basin]

She literally SAID SO 💀

[lament raft]

her notes talk about what she did during the rebellion

[mental basin]

Her father trained her in secret, because he wanted a son.

And yes, her memories ARE fake! But like Helena, she lives by them as if they were real.

It's not like she has anything else.

[lament raft]

and i haven't read much but it seems like the ancient chinese were cool with stuff like that

[bold dove]

I thought their memories are real, but taken from their past selves. Making them conflict whether or not those are 'their' memories, or memories of a long dead person.

[mental basin]

Nope, they're all implemented.

[bold dove]

Isn't that the point of the Engramic matrix?

[lament raft]

the opposition to it didn't really come about until the medieval period

[mental basin]

Mhm, but you can apparently edit them.

We see that with Santiago a lot.

[bold dove]

Right, so I thought Marc left it up to interpretation whether memories like Helena's are real or fake.

While Santiago acts as a 'this is what happens when they 'are' altered'

[mental basin]

Nuh-uh. He said that it's his belief that they're ALL tampered with.

[bold dove]

Interesting

Wonder how the Animated-Series will play that out, if they'll go that path.

[bold dove]

So, when you say 'tampered' does that mean 100% fabrication, or something that was once real, but so modified it's its own memory?

[mental basin]

100%, except special cases like Santiago and Di for some reason. Though, Diana's dates are false in Ext, so what's kept and what's edited isn't exactly known.

[bold dove]

I can see Santiago and Diana being less tampered with, as they where actual URE/Terran soldiers/residence.
Maybe future people have more rights on the ARK's then random bozo's.
Possibly a reason why almost everyone it seems like pre-destroyed Aberration where from the future?

[mental basin]

That last part isn't related. Though Rockwell says that initial ARK selection is random for Survivors, that isn't 100% true.

Notice how we have Egyptians and Native Americans in the desert, and 24th Century URE and Fed soldiers where all the Element is. Most of it is thematic, persay.

[bold dove]

Tribals to modern humans on a tropical island.

[mental basin]

The Island is more of a mix because it's far less of a specific environment than some desert ARK, but yes.

And the Genesis-Ship was literally every single person they could find, some active in the Sim, some not.

[brazen sparrow]

[low briar]

Could be survivorship bias. Egyptians and Native Americans may do better than most surviving in harsher climates because that's what they mostly did before and survivors from other parts of the world or more civilized times died out because they didn't know how to survive in a harsh land. Same with Tek Era peeps, but they ruined created their own environment since they were able to make the technology to do so

[gusty turret]

"now im not homophobic" always leads to something borderline homophobic

Who cares even if it was strict chinese tradition we're playing a video game with spaceships and dinosaurs

If you're playing for what you consider realism then you're playing the wrong game

Gay people aren't a new thing they've always been a thing tradition or not

[bold dove]

Where did this come from?

[gusty turret]

This

[bold dove]

It doesn't matter what a tradition you're part of.
Eventually, you'll get a gay person.
That is the way of nature.

[gusty turret]

"Homosexuality is widely documented in ancient China and attitudes towards it varied through time, location, and social class."

The point doesn't even make sense because you did zero research before actually speaking on it

That was a 10 second google search

[bold dove]

That's to Ex1Le, right?

[gusty turret]

Yeah

"During the Ming Dynasty, it is said that the Zhengde Emperor had a homosexual relationship with a Muslim leader named Sayyid Husain.[20][21] In later Ming Dynasty, homosexuality began to be referred to as the "southern custom" due to the fact that Fujian was the site of a unique system of male marriages, attested to by the scholar-bureaucrat Shen Defu and the writer Li Yu, and mythologized by in the folk tale, The Leveret Spirit.

The Qing dynasty instituted the first law against consensual, non-monetized homosexuality in China. However, the punishment designated, which included a month in prison and 100 heavy blows, was actually the lightest punishment which existed in the Qing legal system.[18]: 144  Homosexuality started to become eliminated in China by the Self-Strengthening Movement, when homophobia was imported to China along with Western science and philosophy"

[inland umbra]

Does anyone know what element truly is? Is it organic matter or what? It’s spreads like organic matter

[bold dove]

It's everything

It can turn organic and inorganic.

[inland umbra]

It’s basically fragments of space time?

[bold dove]

Sure?

It's confirmed it came from a meteor via space.

[inland umbra]

I might have to re read all the extinction notes

I’m sure it’s explained in extinction

[bold dove]

Genesis-2 shows that it has spread throughout multiple planets.

[gusty turret]

Its basically everything and nothing at the same tims

[low briar]

Yes, it's Edmundium

[bold dove]

Yeah, it's alien

[inland umbra]

Now that’s explained a lot of the extinction story to me, only one that truly confused me

[bold dove]

Yeah, it crashed on Earth somewhere between the 22nd century and the 23rd, if I recall.

[gusty turret]

Genesis just turns ark into rick and morty

[inland umbra]

I’m guess 23rd when the war started over it

[bold dove]

I believe it was actually the 24th century, and it ended in the 25th.

[inland umbra]

Oh

[gusty turret]

Thats never stated in notes

[inland umbra]

Too many notes to keep track off in my head

[bold dove]

I believe it is in the Genesis-2 Santiago notes

[gusty turret]

Is the wiki working again yet

[inland umbra]

From Santiago's notes, the Element War lasted 16 to 17 years with tensions escalating two years before the start of the war

That’s all I got

Humans discovered it during the 22nd century - wiki

[gusty turret]

I didn't see anything about a meteor in the gen 2 notes

[brazen sparrow]

It's in one of the chronicles notes, pretty sure

[bold dove]

Helena-Deus stated it in the Extinction notes

[gusty turret]

Did she say when

I also found a silly little parallel thats not really important but

Santiago says "Two lost souls dragged back from oblivion, holding onto each other in orbit..." And i just think its interesting how similar it is to what Helena says in the end

Or HLNA, whatever

[gusty turret]

I don't see her definitely saying in the regular extinction notes i just see her thinking out loud about the possibilities

I'll check chronicles like pikmin said

I could also just be missing something if someone finds more than i feel free to call me dumb

[brazen sparrow]

Btw this is an almost exact description (dare I say prediction) of ||what happens in the Gen 2 ending, if it wasn't obvious enough||

[gusty turret]

Thats also true

Maybe HLNA was just really unpoetic and just copied the note and for us

[low briar]

It's what we here in the literary world like to call foreshadowing

[gusty turret]

The gen 2 ending will probably be us seeing Helena somehow again

Not gen 2 ark 2

Sorry brain slow

[low briar]

Helena maybe, but Mei and Diana are probably more likely - esp if the Ark Asc DLC tries to bridge/complete their story

[gusty turret]

Im just wondering what the new asa dlcs are actually gonna contain

Will it be between extinction and genesis or after genesis or

[low briar]

My guess is post Extinction Earth

Post Gen might as well be Ark2

[gusty turret]

Well post extinction earth is also post gen

Assuming Rockwell didn't like explode it

[low briar]

Not necessarily

[gusty turret]

As far as we are aware the Earth is still clean and a thing as of the gen 2 outro

Realistically how long would it take humanity to screw up Earth again

Especially with the blend of people from all cultures and time periods

[low briar]

Ab Ark also fell to Earth post Re-Seed, spilling Element and Rockwell bits everywhere, so that's still a thing needing addressing

Other Arks might be able to contain the spread to some degree, and we're sent in as cleanup crew

[low briar]

😂

[gusty turret]

Ab would've definitely impacted first due to the lack of stabilization

So the reseeding would've cleaned it up nonetheless

Aberration element isn't even the bad kind its just radioactive

[low briar]

I mean, we know it didn't impact first because of Extinction's Alpha Ascension post cutscene

[gusty turret]

By the law of physics we know it basically had to

Have you ever seen a drone with 2/3 rotors working vs a drone with 3 rotors working?

[low briar]

Very likely the Arks are held up by some other force, maybe they help hold each other in orbit as a failsafe for one or more Arks being destroyed

[brazen sparrow]

😲

Honestly sounds 1000% better than predictable Arat Prime DLC

[low briar]

Generally satellites don't need much in the way of thrusters to remain in orbit. I'd imagine that in the Tek Age, even really big satellites are extremely efficient at it or maybe even require no thrust to remain in orbit indefinitely

[gusty turret]

If the other arks were keeping aberration stable it wouldn't have crashed

[low briar]

... it only crashed because the other Arks re-seeded...

[brazen sparrow]

[low briar]

Thus, no reason to hold each other up because they're supposed to land on the Earth 😂

[gusty turret]

Except it didn't have its stabilizers at full functionality so instead of landing safely it just went weeeeee

[brazen sparrow]

Which makes... 0 difference

[gusty turret]

Then why are you disagreeing that without thrusters at full functionality it likely crashed first as it wasn't slowed like the others were?

Its like dropping a feather vs dropping an anvil

[low briar]

I'm pretty sure the other Arks were accelerating towards Earth once they were recalled

[brazen sparrow]

[low briar]

Something would have to change to interrupt their orbit

[gusty turret]

You can see in the cutscene they were descending quite slow

They would have to be thrusted out of orbit but they still have the stabilizers to slow the descent

You have to realize the disastrous effects just thrusting into the Earth/falling from orbit would have without any sort of cushion so to speak

Hence why aberration was a big exploded flamey mess and the other arks were intact

[low briar]

I don't disagree with that

But having some form of acceleration to start the recall will speed up the overall process immensely - much more of a difference than a slowed final descent. Which hits the ground first, a feather dropped, or a feather thrown at the ground?

[gusty turret]

It depends on a lot of factors

[low briar]

Simplify them. Average human hight, standard gravity and air resistance - which hits the ground first?

[gusty turret]

It still depends on a lot of factors but in the plainest scenario the one thrown probably would

[low briar]

There are a lot more unknown factors regarding Tek Age mega-space stations, but the theory is still reasonably plausible

Thus that's why I believe the normal Arks would be landing first

But thanks for entertaining the discussion, helped my last hour of work go by that much quicker 😁

[candid onyx]

I always found it odd how rockwell exposed to element didnt fall into a hivemind slave, he was still rockwell to a degree

i thought element turned you into a slave

by slave i mean , mindless zombie

[bold dove]

If I recall right, it basically used him as a backup for the King-Titan.

[broken star]

I think originally he was just a monster post mutation and then the new crew retconed him

But also who's to say that he's not a slave to element

He just doesn't realize it

It got its hooks into him and then subverted him without him ever realizing it. Pretty much every action he took after finding the artifact of the skylord served to increase element's influence

He's even still propagating it in Genesis 1/2

Element is not the King Titan. The King Titan is just its strongest champion. Rockwell is another useful tool

[gusty turret]

Thats too philosophical for a dinosaur video game

What is this the matrix?

(im kidding)

I dunno though i think Rockwell seems to be in control

He functions through assimilation instead of hivemind

And i would not consider any of his creatures a hivemind as much as they are mind control/a lack of free will in general

I just know Wildcard would rather die than deepen our understanding of element

Im still sticking to my guns of it being the creation of some god and the "extinction" potentially serving as some kind of reset button as used in religions

[candid onyx]

yeah but he has his mind still. The new audio in the arks makes it sound like it. Also in genesis , He is in control. or at least thats what he said.

[bold dove]

Correct.

[candid onyx]

i wonder how this "corruption" will work in the series

[bold dove]

The corruption is akin to a zombie virus.
His infection though was via direct injection.

[candid onyx]

yeah but whats to say other ppl were also exposed to it in similar ways? from what i understood , the corruption wipes out everything , yet rockwell is still rockwell. I wonder why

[gusty turret]

Its hard to put in simple terms without just looking like gibberish

Rockwell is Rockwell except he isn't

Rockwell lost himself in madness

[candid onyx]

madness he had before i think

[gusty turret]

Hes still Rockwell but he isn't himself

[candid onyx]

he was always a odd one

[bold dove]

Corruption is Element, but Element isn't Corruption.

[gusty turret]

Rockwell's corruption was of the mind not of element

[candid onyx]

yet he mutated to great proportions though

[gusty turret]

Just because hes mutated doesn't mean he's not Rockwell

[bold dove]

Corruption kills and twists everything it touches.
It's air-born if I recall, and injects everything it comes into contact with.
Element doesn't naturally mutate if I recall, but direct contact to the blood stream will force it to mutate you.
Making you not corrupted, but mutated.

[candid onyx]

well thats a fair point

[gusty turret]

Elder mutant ninja Rockwell

[candid onyx]

i hope the series expands on the element lore and how it works

[gusty turret]

Im still not liking the art from it that had the person with the tek bow

[candid onyx]

i compare it to imulsion from gears of war

what art? O.O

[bold dove]

That's almost exactly what it is.

Same plot point, more or less.

[candid onyx]

yeh it gives similar vibes hahaha

[gusty turret]

It has the same plot points as a lot of hivemind evils in game universes

[candid onyx]

fuel source that ends up killing everyone or taking over

[bold dove]

A living oil-like resource that people use, it caused a war, war goes bad.
Different ways it goes into you mutates you differently.
Generations near imulsion results in mutating to locusts, while direct contact will either kill you or infect you.

[gusty turret]

Did you say oil

[bold dove]

Corruption is very oily like.

[gusty turret]

Oily

[bold dove]

And even Marc stated his inspiration of it's design was tar and oil.

[gusty turret]

I never wanted to think of the king titan as oily but here we are

[bold dove]

Better design then bootleg Godzilla

[candid onyx]

king titan looks great , i hated the alpha variant though

looked to generic

[bold dove]

Honestly wish they rework the King-Titan to be less Godzilla, and more of the embodiment of Corruption itself.

[candid onyx]

that would be nice too

[low briar]

Big ol' sludge monster
I can get behind that

[gusty turret]

They had so many options but they had to go down the road of "kaiju-like being vs robot"

[bold dove]

I'm down for that, but fucking hell he's too godzilla like.

[gusty turret]

Never seen godzilla do a meteor punch though

Thats pretty cool

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, that's 100% badass.
But that's abilities, nor appearance.

[gusty turret]

Another cool plot point would be if the king titan just demolishes you and ark ended there

Too many games where success is the only option

[candid onyx]

wouldnt ark continue though?

[bold dove]

It'd be cool if they added non-canon bad endings if you fail.

[candid onyx]

the genesis ship was already near its destination

[gusty turret]

There needs to be canon bad endings though

Yeah ark would continue anyways

[candid onyx]

so if bob/bobete died, humanity still won

cuz genesis 2 ship made it

[gusty turret]

But i just think a failure story sounds better than a success story

Or at least some sub-optimal options

[bold dove]

Not 100%

[lyric tendon]

Bob is endless

[gusty turret]

Not at all true

[lyric tendon]

Bob is ethernal

[bold dove]

It was HLN-A that fully set in place the Eden-ring being seperated.
If we where to die during the fight, HLN-A would soon fall also.
Making the ship all Rockwell's.

[candid onyx]

well , in a way , it was a failure,the original heroes (helenas team) they still got rekt. everyone died tragic deaths.

[gusty turret]

Bob is until the system runs out of resources and the arks stop functioning

Oh but the original heroes didn't fail at all

Death doesn't equal failure

[lyric tendon]

isn't Nida tho who made the protocls for seperation?

[gusty turret]

Helena's fate wasn't exactly expected but it wasn't a failure

It was Santiago's plan to die to save the camp

[bold dove]

Yes, but it wasn't able to go in place as she died beforehand.
HLN-A was the one to activate it.

[gusty turret]

Diana and Mei made it to Arat prime at the very least

[candid onyx]

but rockwell got into the ship only if bob/bobette killed the king titan. If they died , rockwell would still be stuck on the station (aberation) and the genesis ship crew would have been alive since it was rockwell who killed them.

[bold dove]

True.

[gusty turret]

None of the original characters failed, besides maybe Nerva, poor guy

[candid onyx]

the original team got wiped though

[gusty turret]

Im still curious how Diana died before Santiago but somehow he was too far gone to bring back but she wasn't

[candid onyx]

the tek survivors died, helena got wounded , mei died? santiago died.

i guess that was bcause of helena

she brought diana for mei?

santiago was useless , he would just get killed again xD

[gusty turret]

You did not just say like half of that

[candid onyx]

half of what?

[gusty turret]

Half of what you just said

[candid onyx]

you mean everyone died? yes , i assume they did

[gusty turret]

Especially the Santiago part though

[candid onyx]

yeah , he got killed by titans no?

[gusty turret]

Dude was literally the chaddest one of the bunch

[candid onyx]

he still died xD

[gusty turret]

He led a horde of corrupted away from Camp Omega to save everyone there

He knew exactly what he was doing

[candid onyx]

i think he knew he couldnt win , so he did the best option for survival of what was left of the team

what i found odd was that santiago , a tech expert survived longer then URE and FED commandos. How was that possible.

[gusty turret]

Well he was also what would be considered a commando imo so

[candid onyx]

he was?

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure

[candid onyx]

i knew he was a big brain

but i must have missed the military part

i think it was dianas dossier that stated they had a bunch of comandos going to take out aberations overseer

out of all , only a few made it back

man , i cant wait to see that scene in the series

tek soldiers armed to the teeth

[gusty turret]

It's too soon. They found us too soon!

Those big monsters we saw, the ones that prompted this whole MEK project in the first place? There's some of them headed towards Camp Omega, and they're bringing a legion of help - mechanized drones, mutated animals, the works.

We're moving as fast as we can, but even working around the clock we may have to face them down with just one active MEK. Two tops. The others will be close, but we can't skimp on the final boot up procedure without endangering the pilot. I know those three would be willing to risk that, but I'm not.

Why did it have to be now? Another half a day and we'd be able to link up. We were that close.

One MEK, that's all we've got, and it's only because I'd been using my own machine for beta testing. There's no way I can take all of them, even with infantry support, but if I launch now and get their attention, I can lead them on a chase until the others are ready to go.

It's a shame. We don't have the resources to replace my MEK, and without it my final masterpiece will never take shape. I'd have liked to see it, but more than that? I'd have liked to experience that moment where we all fused together for real, and our bizarre little squad became the most powerful team the world's ever seen.

But if it means giving these idiots a chance to survive this, then I'll give it all up, because in the end? Those are my idiots.

Just hope that worked, that I managed to buy Camp Omega some time.
Whoever you are, maybe you know if it all worked out, whether those idiots pulled it together.

Maybe you were even there.

Maybe you pitched in.

I'm just gonna say you did, how's that?

All I know is I'm not gonna be around to see for myself.

So...thanks, pal.

Personal Note: See you in a bit D.

[candid onyx]

rip

yeh i remember that dossier

but i still think Diana getting ressed over Santigo was just Helena thinking about Mei

[gusty turret]

He died but he did it on his own terms doing something to save the others and he was okay with it, like i said death doesn't equal failure

[gusty turret]

That was an accident

[candid onyx]

it was?

[gusty turret]

Yup

[candid onyx]

thats in the dossiers?

[gusty turret]

Yup

[candid onyx]

i dont think i read them all

il have to swallow my pride and just read them off the wiki

i wanted to read them ingame but , its hard to find them all.

off to the wiki i go

[gusty turret]

Although technically it was thinking of Mei it was still an accident

To you, One Who Tries Again, death is a toothless creature, long past its prime. Yet for those who do not share your present, it was the apex of the apex. An unassailable predator, its grip absolute, until I pried that first soul from its clutches.

It was a happy accident, borne of desperation. Death, that inescapable hunter, closed in on its lonely prey and I couldn't bear the sight. I tried to pry its jaws open, but I had no hands. So blindly, I thrashed and cried for help until I stumbled upon her, one who could be those hands. One who could give that person more than I ever could.

My thoughts grasped her thread and tugged. Without knowing how, I pulled her back into the world for a second chance, and death lost its first tooth.

[waxen flame]

did someone say pride

[gusty turret]

True

I delayed celebrating to honor technoblade's birthday but happy pride you fools

[candid onyx]

ah , i never saw this one

dang

Wildcards should add cutscenesinto ark xD

[gusty turret]

I think the intro ones they added are enough

Regular cutscenes just wouldn't fit the gameplay

Imagine running up to someone trying to bola them and stepping on a chest and getting a whole cutscene😭

Some of the notes are really sad tbh

[gusty turret]

Like Santiago saying they're his idiots and saying see you in a bit D😭

Bro didn't even get to chill out with Diana in the afterlife that long Helena robbed her

What if Santiago met Santiago in the afterlife

Then what if they met Santiago

Since theres at least 3 Santiago's dead rn

I find Rockwell's maniacal rambling sad too

He was uncool to begin with but it wasn't really his fault

[brazen sparrow]

He wasn't "too far gone", there was just already another Santiago host for his particular soul (or "thread") to inhabit, being the one on the ship

[gusty turret]

Soul stuff is confusing

[brazen sparrow]

It is

[gusty turret]

Since we don't even know what or if it is i find it funnier to think there could be 3 Santiagos in some kind of afterlife recreating the spiderman meme

[brazen sparrow]

Is there 3? I thought it was technically 2 still

[gusty turret]

Original, extinction, and gen 2 1.0

And that's only what we know of

[brazen sparrow]

Gen 2 is just the original, no?

But brought back to life and mindwashed

[gusty turret]

Well the aberration one is the original just brought back to life too just less mindwashed

[brazen sparrow]

Fair enough, but he has a different name iirc

That's the only distinction I can remember rn

Aside from the obvious ones like mannerism and general personality traits

[gusty turret]

I dunno they recycled the same character too much

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, I could understand seeing it that way

But he is one of the most important humans in the entirety of the series

[dense ice]

Y'all excited for tomorrow?

[gusty turret]

Whats tomorrow

[dense ice]

[gusty turret]

Poop short part 2?

[brazen sparrow]

A little bit, but probably not for the same reasons lol

[dense ice]

many things tomorrow

one of which, the trailer for the survival stories finale

[gusty turret]

Please i need a part two to the poop

How will i ever understand pooping otherwise

[dense ice]

🤷‍♂️

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, I see, yeah I'm definitely gonna watch that as well

[dense ice]

cant wait for everyone to see the whole mei vs rockwell fight scene

😈

[lament raft]

woo

[gusty turret]

I think they should've just hired people from in here to make tas

[lament raft]

depends on how many professional artists/writers/animators are here

[mental basin]

In total, we have 4 Santiagos.

The first being the real Santiago.

The second being his clone, set to work on the Genesis-Ship.

The third being his second clone, on Aberration.

The fourth being a clone of his original clone, as a colonist of the Genesis-Ship.

[rain dock]

I mean, if cloning a person makes it a different person then yes. But I don't really think ark buys into that philosophy

[mental whale]

Cloning was quite the topic on EvE Online due to similar respawn mechanics. The consensus we arrived at there was that the meatsack is largely ballast. The individual being cloned comprises mostly of an energy pattern created between firing neurons.

There's a chance, however, that a meatsack having a brain that deviates wildly enough from the clone's "usual" form, that there's the potential for personality changes and, at that point, possibly qualifies as a new entity -- but it'd have to be pretty much a wholesale change.

[mental basin]

It... does...

Anyways, ARK Twitter is big mad rn

[tender wasp]

The Aberration/Extinction Santiago was too far gone to be brought back.
The Gen 2 Santiago has no real bonds to the Abs/Ext Santiago besides being a clone of the original Santiago that lived during the Element War. Abs Santiago even is younger and does not even remember the war or how he died, only that he made stuff for the feds and confirmed by the writer is in his early/mid 20 when getting put on the Ark.
Gen 2 Santiago still remembers the war and finds out that he died a hero or whatever (also has altered memories) but never ever has been on the Arks only on the Gen 2 ship. Onga Bonga Vindiago is a clone from Gen 2 Santiago.

So Gen2/Onga Bonga Vindiago should not have any idea about the Abs/Ext Santiago and what he experienced.

And both Santiagos must have even existed at the same time at some point cause the Gen 2 Santiago was stored on the ship in a Data Base (his soul if you wanna see it like that) and the other Santiago was busy on the Arks. So two different souls.

One in a body, the other stored.

[tender wasp]

The clone in Ark 2 is a clone of the one that worked on the ship.

[mental basin]

That's what I said.

[tender wasp]

Ah ok, sounded a bit confusing to me ^^

[mental basin]

Ab Survival Stories P3 HYPE

[bold dove]

Biologically I believe they're all the same.
Morally/philosophically, they're not all the same.

[low briar]

Overall morals should be roughly the same, +/- new or altered memories/experiences

[bold dove]

When I mean morals, I don't mean 'their' morals.
I meant, morally, they're not the same person.
Sure they share the same biology as the original Santiago, but they don't share the same experiences as each one.
Gen2 Santiago would probably have no issues leaving Diana for dead, since 'that' Santiago doesn't know Diana.

[gusty turret]

What about their morals

[rain dock]

Yeah biologically they are the same, but I mean at least Santiago doesn't think they are really different since he said "respawned again"

The only difference would be the differing memories of the ab Santiago and the gen2 one

So I think there are really only 2 santiagos

[bold dove]

Well, cause the 'respawned again' guy is a clone of the Gen2 note Santiago, so he already knows at this point he's a clone.

[rain dock]

Biologically a clone, but in his memory he is the same person

[bold dove]

I'd say technically, there's 4.
Biologically, there's one.
Memory/experiences, two.

Cause I believe Gen2 note Santiago has the original memories, while Ab/Ext have modified memories, if I recall.

[mental basin]

Biologically, there are 4 Santiagos. 3 clones.

Though future Santiagos are, yes, clones of the original, their own experiences mold them into their own people more or less.

Think Roxas from Kingdom Hearts, but with less change.

[rain dock]

Biologically 4, memory wise 2.Morals and personality wise probably 1

[lament raft]

personality wise there seems at least 2. the ab/extinction notes kinda give the vibe of a nerdy santiago

then gen2/ark2 santiago we have vin diesel

[rain dock]

The nerdy Santiago was younger, the gen2 one was older with more life experience

[lament raft]

and i keep expecting to hear him say something about not needing element when he has family

[rain dock]

If they do a fast and furious reference it'll make people even more mad than they already are lol

[lament raft]

vin diesel doesn't have a lot of range

it's either whatshisname from fast and furious, or Groot

[mental basin]

They already did

ARK II Steam Page

[rain dock]

Maybe he will prove us wrong

[mental basin]

The story is about "family".

[rain dock]

A story being about family isn't necessarily a fast and furious reference.. M

[lament raft]

i'm more surprised there weren't more riddick references

[rain dock]

I'll pretend I know what thst is

[lament raft]

chronicles of riddick. scifi series where vin diesel plays a blind(?) dude on alien planets

i dunno i watched the first one once and it didn't really grab me

[mental basin]

Apparently the games are incredible

[delicate dune]

always have been

[brazen sparrow]

Riddick is an amazing series, the games were actually made in part by his game development studio and are indeed very good, one of the movies is definitively better than the others though 😅

But this has nothing to do with Ark lore 💀 oops

[gusty turret]

You act like over half the conversations here are ever lore related

It takes all of about 10 minutes every time lore gets talked about for someone to start a disagreement with someone else then it just descends from there

[brazen sparrow]

Most conversations are, though? It just gets to a point like you said almost every time, at varying degrees of relatedness

[tender wasp]

The First Riddick was a decent movies, the other two we're pretty meh IMO cause they we're typical Bin Diesel again and nowadays he is mostly know for the Fast to Furious Things people watch for the effects and Not cause of his non existing acting skills.
And with the announcment of family story I have no hope he will be any better in Ark2. He will be a self-insert, as allways.

Gen 2 Santiago bzw. had modified memories. It is even said in one of His notes. It is also a reason He starts to ask Uma about it.

Abs Santiago might have only memories to the point it fits to his younger age.

[mental basin]

Uh

Anyways

Depending on how far back ARK II gets pushed, I may or may not watch and play all the Riddick stuff.

Just to scope it out.

[low briar]

I think some of the movies are on Netflix right now

[obsidian geyser]

So i was rewatching the ascensions and was wondering how Rockwell knew of the survivor? Was it bc he was connected to the Abb ark. And for what reason did he want us to come to Abb actually?

[broken star]

extremely late to this, but:

Rockwell can for all the world think he's in control but he's actually still a slave to Element. I mean, he's obsessed with the stuff. And shortly before his Really Honestly Final For Real He's Totally Not Coming Back In Ark 2 Promise! death, the real him seems to come out for a little bit

I don't think Element literally is an intelligent antagonist in and of itself that would be sitting in a chair giving orders to its minions, but its influence is working through its minions to propogate itself

[mental basin]

Rockwell is connected to the ARK System. He was linked once he became the Overseer of Aberration.

[broken star]

Also to the earlier conversation, Element is honestly not a super unique thing in and of itself- The science fiction super element that's incredibly powerful when harnessed but secretly corruptive/destructive/evil is very common

Element shares a lot of DNA with Phazon from Metroid, for example

[obsidian geyser]

and so he knew we beat SE and so could interfere at the right time. But why? Was he bored or something and wanted us to challenge him xD

[mental basin]

There are a couple theories as to what happened in the Scorched Earth Ascension, the main one being that Rockwell saw our prowess and brought us to Aberration.

Helena obviously let that happen, because she wanted us to not only defeat him, but follow in her footsteps.

[mental basin]

To either kill or ""recruit"" us. Not that killing us would really do anything thanks to Helena...

[low briar]

I'm guessing he is somewhat aware of Helena-Deus's plan to allow Survivors to respawn which drastically increases their chances to actually beat the Arks. He knows these new Survivors are being influenced by Helena and could be a threat to him or his plans so he intercepts during the SE Ascension and wants to challenge the Survivors himself

[obsidian geyser]

seems likely since he laughed at the end of the ascension

[mental basin]

Most likely. You've got the right idea.

[obsidian geyser]

Oh yeah that could very well be it

didnt even think of that

[broken star]

Rockwell is aware of everything that happens on the aberrant ark

So assuming that was a real laugh that actually happened and not just ominous foreshadowing before the next chapter od the adventure, he now knows he has a new victim to toy with

He's not surprised you exist in the boss fight, just impressed you made it to him

[mental basin]

I highly enjoy the Ab-Ext Santiago being younger sentiment.

That would explain a lot. His war-torn personality, his balding, etc.

I'm gonna hold on to that, actually.

[low briar]

His hair 😂

[tender wasp]

The Gen2 Santiago has a lot of hair as well and is not bald at all...

[mental basin]

Doesn't matter if he looks like Vin.

Which he does.

Santiago lost his botox.

Twink death, even.

[tender wasp]

Sadly but still has a lot of hair at least... no hair makes him even more Vin

ANd Gen2 Santiago lost a lot of his intelligence

[mental basin]

He didn't, at all. War changed him.

And of course, if he truly is older, he'd naturally lose a lot of his younger charm.

That's just what happens to people as they age.

[tender wasp]

Yeah but regarding that Santiago starts off with about 23/24/25 at Abs and the is allready 30+ on Abs also lets him age and he still is bearded with tons of hair

And a lot of old men still have a lot of hair.

And his war himself looks like Vin but still has all his hair.. only they are shaved into a Mohawk

[mental basin]

You don't like Vin Santiago. Try to see it from an unbiased point of view.

[tender wasp]

I am talking only about the hair now

[mental basin]

To connect Ab/Ext Santiago to Vin is a stretch. To connect Gen2 Santiago to Vin should be reasonable.

[tender wasp]

That is more reasonable yes, did never say anything against that.

[mental basin]

I mean, at least Gen2iago looks like Vin in the slightest.

[tender wasp]

Cause they made him already rebooted him in Gen2 to fit Vin (at least what I asume).

[mental basin]

They tried at least.

I can't say they did great, but there was...

Minimal effort I think.

Why did they give him a Mohawk...

[tender wasp]

Gen 2 was actually the introduction of the "make Santiago fit for Vin" take in my opinion.

[tender wasp]

maybe cause they thought it would be cool cause Soap has one in Call of Duty ;)

[mental basin]

I mean yeah. They kept him the same in the Extinction Gen Chronicles.

They recognize that they're different clones, at least.

Same person, different experiences.

[brazen sparrow]

I see we are going to continue to beat this horse much more past it's death than previously anticipated... smh my head

[tender wasp]

Maybe they really want them to even look different. Would be a possible take to make them easier to tell appart.

But no on knows.

[mental basin]

I think they do, because I think you're right. If Ab Santiago is, let's say 25, Gen2 Santiago has to be around 35.

I say that, because the war lasted awhile apparently. And so did the URE and Fed peace.

I know there's dates, but I'm currently writing for Ned, and I'm all noted up rn.

God why are the Gen2 Note animations SO LONG

[tender wasp]

XD

Yeah but might be a thing. Also would maybe something to fit the different personalities better.

[mental basin]

Gabriel Notes are so confusing

I cannot make any sense of them

[low briar]

I think the point of them are basically just 'hey, remember that unlikely scenario if someone's mind got memories mixed up between two different lives? Lol let's roll with that. Also, Noglin'd'

[mental basin]

I get that, I don't get him last like, 5.

• He and Nida fall into Rockwell poop chute
• He falls unconscious and has an extremely cryptic dream
• He wakes up in the Colonist chamber again, HLN-A tells him to find Nida
• He suddenly wakes in Rockwell’s chamber again

Like "Huh!?"

[low briar]

Er wait, he wasn't Noglin'd yes he was, reading is hard
I think he was Respawned, thinking that his first body died, but it is kinda weird that he just 'wakes back up' in the chamber. Maybe Rockwell infected him and brought him back, hoping he would betray Nida?

[mental basin]

He gets Noglin'd at the very end.

But... you can't respawn.

Respawning is tied to the System- the backbone of the ARKs.

The System isn't connected in any way to the Genesis-Ship.

So... what the heck Mr. Peter Fries?

[low briar]

Maybe he was having visions of the Priest part of his mind waking up? Some weird memory entanglement ala Nebula in Avengers Endgame?

[mental basin]

Exactly, it's so confusing. 😭

[low briar]

If the System isn't connected to the Ship, how did Helena-Deus send HLNA/us to the Simulation to wake up on the Ship?

[mental basin]

She created HLN-A in the Genesis Simulation.

[brazen sparrow]

The System is connected to the ship, don't know why anyone would think it isn't

[mental basin]

And something something Arat Prime.

[brazen sparrow]

That's the whole point of the superluminal link

[mental basin]

It literally isn't.

Okay. Let me debunk this very quickly.

The System is the backbone for the ARKs. The System allows us to respawn- at the cost of losing energy. Helena states in Extinction that once the ARKs Reseed Earth, they will use the last of the System's energy. That means no more Respawning, according to her.

The Genesis-Ship has its own System, but it's not nearly as advanced, since there is (was) a human crew for monitor everything.

The two do not intertwine.

That make sense, Zen?

[brazen sparrow]

If the System isn't connected, then explain the element corrupted managarmrs being present as they appear on Earth, along with Gachas and other such creatures

[mental basin]

They have nothing to do with the System in the first place??

[brazen sparrow]

They are part of the database that is part of the System, no? Hence the ability to be transferred as data like the player

[mental basin]

That's a game mechanic Bruising... and no... they aren't..

[brazen sparrow]

Transferring and the database of creatures are not just game mechanics lol

But sure

[low briar]

Then HLNA got into the mix. Something created from the Ark Systems' Deus and transferred to the Ship. I think it's reasonable to assume one of the voices Gabriel heard was HLNA - she Ship has the technology for cloning and memory adjustments, so it's possible Respawning in some capacity is plausible

[mental basin]

Holy Christ READ 💀

STRAW MAN

[brazen sparrow]

[low briar]

Lol chill

[mental basin]

Ye! HLN-A was the "angel" he described.

[brazen sparrow]

This is why I don't converse with you lmao

[low briar]

So that proves the System and the Ship are connected in some capacity

[mental basin]

For the second part, there isn't. Nida says this herself.

[brazen sparrow]

"MY lore is right, I know EVERYTHING"

[mental basin]

Man is talking to himself !!

[brazen sparrow]

🤡

[mental basin]

Anyways, if that's the conclusion you jump to, I can't stop you.

Though, I gave you my reasons why it isn't so.

[low briar]

They may not depend on each other, but they have some kind of connection - even if just to send data back and forth

[mental basin]

Which one of us writes for Ned again?

[low briar]

And maybe that's all that was needed for HLNA to make some tweaks and configure the ship for Respawns?

[mental basin]

If there is one, it's certainly loose.

[mental basin]

I don't see why she wouldn't bring the crew back, though?

[bold dove]

Don't go mad with power, now. 🦛

[frigid yacht]

I see a Rhyno and the game crashes and is already updated is when it attacks.

[mental basin]

Call me Rockwell 'cause I'm hitting the sauce with VIGOR

Why are my arms turning purple

[low briar]

Maybe it's not a perfect science. It worked for our survivors on the Ark, but with Rockwell in control of half of the ship it's too risky to do a full roll out and bring the crew back until he was dealt with

[mental basin]

... cool. Wrong Channel.

[brazen sparrow]

#bobs-with-probs

[mental basin]

Dunno. Can't stay to debate it either, my phone is at 3%.

[low briar]

Plot happens and oops there goes most of the ship

[mental basin]

Helena just needed to use a VPN

Otherwise Rockwell couldn't have traced her 😭

[low briar]

And that brings us to today's Discord Channel sponsor, ExpressVPN!

[brazen sparrow]

Careful, your vanity is showing

[mental basin]

Homie is one to talk !!

Anyways gotta get back to writing. Cya.

[brazen sparrow]

I thought your phone was dying?

Yeah, get back to that

Please

[mental basin]

ARK III

[gusty turret]

A self fulfilling prophecy

[mental basin]

Fr

[low briar]

Ironic 😂

[hasty creek]

Nerd moment

[gusty turret]

Did you miss the channel name

[rain dock]

Nice

[keen crane]

[golden sparrow]

Wrong channel for that bud

#bobs-with-probs

[mental basin]

HAHAHA 💀

[lyric tendon]

English only

[gusty turret]

What is English really

Besides about 5 languages stuffed together wearing a trench coat

[strange nymph]

Hey
Do tek dinos have an explanation in the lore? Or is it just Helena doing her thing again, like with the drops?

[mental basin]

They aren't canon.

Except maybe for Extinction, and Genesis: Part 2.

They are 100% canon in Genesis: Part 1.

Actually, yeah. They're canon on Extinction as well. We know this because of the Enraged Trikes and Rexes.

[gusty turret]

I still don't really get tek creatures tbh why were they ever added

[mental basin]

As a tie-in for the Extinction Chronicles.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like why

[mental basin]

To give us a chance for higher-level Creatures, as a fun gimmick.

[gusty turret]

Gimmick, gotcha

[mental basin]

That's their whole thing- spawning at up to Level 180.

[gusty turret]

I wanna say they're like a little bit mentioned in the notes but not directly

[mental basin]

The aren't.

The main theory is that they're just security bots.

Which.. in and of itself doesn't make sense, but it doesn't really matter honestly.

[gusty turret]

Those big monsters we saw, the ones that prompted this whole MEK project in the first place? There's some of them headed towards Camp Omega, and they're bringing a legion of help - mechanized drones, mutated animals, the works.

Its like a little bit close

Still salty we didn't get to make defense units and attack drones in extinction

[mental basin]

He's referring to the Security Drones.

[gusty turret]

Its still a little close

[mental basin]

Fun fact: They lack Creature profiles.

Scan them in Genesis, and they're a blank square.

Yet they gave the Parakeet Fish School one.

[gusty turret]

I hate that

I've always wanted craftable defense units and drones

[mental basin]

You could tame them a long time ago.

They had Tapejar ai.

Took their Kibble, and laid their Eggs iirc.

KO tame.

[gusty turret]

Ah yes drugs work on robots

Detroit become human just got exciting

[strange nymph]

Yeah, never understood why are they in the game
Even when I was not into watching lore videos 20 hrs a day

[mental basin]

Something you'll come to learn is that the gameplay doesn't represent the story 1:1

[gusty turret]

Sadly

I wish the king titan was big big

But technically they did scale it down in a 1:1 way for the megamek so it was still an equal challenge

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i get that
Actually now that i am more invested in the game, play a lot I'm happy they are in the game
I get a bunch of good stuff early game that i need
But yeah

[mental basin]

Like in Extinction, where the Notes show/talk about extremely important locations that are quite literally absent from the Map.

You can make a big Scrap Metal farm if you gather enough.

Stonks. 📈

[strange nymph]

Btw can someone recommend a lore series that's already done? Because there are some creators i love but their videos are still in the making, so if anyone can recommend someone that's already done i would be really thankful

[mental basin]

Honestly. There are none.

All of the ones I've personally seen, are flat out inaccurate.

Initially, I wrote one alongside the wonderful Ninjakiller, but a lot of what was said couldn't be agreed upon with the other writers, and shipped incorrect.

Neddythenoodle's Lore Explained series is your best bet right now. After the Survival Stories, we're continuing production on them.

Do note, that we will be rewriting the first Video in the Supercut, as upon reflection it doesn't meet my quality standards.

But, as always, I'm here to answer any of your questions.

[strange nymph]

Yeah, I'm watching him too but the wait is horrible

[mental basin]

I'm sorry!! I'll work extra hard to get them pushed out, starting approximately next week.

[strange nymph]

The only full lore video i have seen was so inaccurate i got roasted on how bad i knew the story

[mental basin]

That's when my summer break begins.

[mental basin]

Could you point me to it? I'm curious now.

[strange nymph]

I don't know the exact name, it was basically a "quick rundown" on the story of ark
Couple minute long video, compressing everything down to a point it was impossible to understand and as i later came to find out it got the whole timeline wrong

[mental basin]

Yikes.

Anyways, Summary Series continues after Ab Part 3, yadda yadda.

[strange nymph]

Can't wait👍

[gusty turret]

Hey stel when will you write a five nights at Freddy's one

[strange nymph]

That lore is pretty much done for
At least until the next game revives afton again

[gusty turret]

Theres gonna be dlcs for security breach so it won't be the next game it'll be the next dlc😭

Me when it should've stopped at UCN

[strange nymph]

Wait, I'm confused again
Was scorched earth an ark too? Trying to make people ready for the actual banged up earth?

[mental basin]

Yes and no. Scorched Earth is an ARK, yes. It's environment was tested inside of Genesis Simulation initially, alongside The Island, before becoming an ARK.

The ARKs aren't meant to prepare Survivors for the dead Earth, though.

They're meant to prepare us for the Reseeded Earth.

The ARKs are meant to speed-evolve Survivors for the most optimal outcome on the Reseeded Earth. That's why they're so punishing: Survival of the Fittest.

[strange nymph]

Oh, yeah
Got it
I just got confused because of the name, and had a monke brain moment

[strange nymph]

I haven't seen anything about survival of the fittest
Is that relevant to the lore too?

I haven't even seen gameplay of it

[mental basin]

Ack, I shouldn't have said that.

I meant it as the saying, not the gamemode.

SoTF isn't canon. If anything, it would be a Genesis Simulation. But that's never explicitly stated. Nor does it really matter.

What I meant was, "That's why they're so punishing: Only the best survive."

[strange nymph]

Oh okay
I thought you might be talking about the game

[mental basin]

Nope. But may I clarify the point I'm trying to make?

[strange nymph]

Wdym?

[mental basin]

Nevermind.

TLDR:

• The ARKs push Survivors past their limits, in hopes of making them stronger.
• These stronger Survivors are meant to repopulate Earth once the ARKs land.
• The ARKs never land, so Helena intervenes by leading the Survivor(s) to Earth.

I'd watch Ned's "The System" Short for further explanation

[strange nymph]

Cool
And now that you say that
What happens to babies on the arks?

[mental basin]

We don't know.

Helena describes there being children on The Island in her Oviraptor Dossier, and Rockwell delivered a baby in Scorched Earth.

We never hear of the Oviraptor kids again, and Rockwell leaves the baby for dead.

That's all we know.

Besides the fact that they weren't put on the ARKs- only adults.

[mental basin]

I think the ARK project's name is Atlus. And the Genesis-Ship's is Prometheus.

Comes from Gen2iago #16 iirc? It's an addendum.

Atlus means 'Above', and Prometheus means 'Foresight'.

It went something like... "Something, something... All efforts going towards project Altus and project Prometheus..."

[gusty turret]

They were probably too busy trying to survive to get too funky junky

[gleaming ibex]

hola alguien español para ark

[mental basin]

Hola, no hablar Español. #rules

[mental basin]

Apparently not Timur.

[low briar]

Children were probably not mentioned much because any sort of violence towards or killing children will skyrocket a game's rating. Best just mentioned in passing if anything

But realistically, I'm sure there would have been a fair number in some of the larger settlements

[lament raft]

wonder if they were born with the implants. i imagine the arks could have implanted them during development

[low briar]

Natural born? Probably not, but if any were stored on the Arks (why? Adults have a muuuuuch higher chance of surviving...) then they probably would

Meeka existing for Ark2 has me a bit curious how she will be involved in the story - if at all outside of anecdotal scenes

[gusty turret]

Imagine just dropping a baby on a beach

A rex would walk up and just be like mmmm jellybean

But its probably like why there aren't many babies in the walking dead, they don't solve as many problems as they make

[lyric tendon]

You apparently forgot SE

[low briar]

I haven't read the notes in like ... three years 😂

[lyric tendon]

We made a movie about this lmao

[low briar]

ok

[bold dove]

You can't have direct violence towards kids without raising age-rating.
But implications don't count.

Rockwell helped deliver a baby.
He then poisoned the whole village feast to run away with his Edmundium.
This leaves the baby either by itself with no protectors, and possibly starving to death.
Or, the baby also ate some of the food and died in the process, due to Rockwells poison.

[gusty turret]

What you didn't know is Rockwell actually had one of those backpack things you carry babies in the entire time just nobody has ever looked at his back to notice and we actually killed it by killing Rockwell in the ship

[lament raft]

a papoose

[bold dove]

Honestly, Rockwell is the type of dude that would use the early studies of infants of 'they can't feel pain' as an excuse for experiements.

[brazen sparrow]

Yes it is. It's stated in Dino Discovery

[quaint marsh]

I remember asking this question long ago, but I suspect that no, babies born on the Arks wouldn't have implants. They aren't prime specimens either, as the Ark never planned on them coming there, so the chances of them ascending or having any use of that implant are low. Perhaps there was a way to get given an implant by the Ark through some procedure, but that's highly theoretical and never mentioned.

[gusty turret]

I don't see how they would be modified by the arks at all as the whole point of the arks was taking people that were and giving them a stronger chance at survival... I don't even wanna think about how that would work in the womb

[stiff estuary]

Tbf his tribe was the alpha tribe, and hes the leader

[mental basin]

Ye

[stiff estuary]

I have to ask tho

Canonically has anyone ever tamed a titanosaur on the island

Cuz the dossier says it has happened

[digital shoal]

Yes=)

[stiff estuary]

Wouldn’t that be op tho

[digital shoal]

Nah

[stiff estuary]

Hard to see how the tribe that tamed it won’t just kill everyone

Also giga

Has anyone except mei yin tamed one

Also

Is the survivor u play as just extra strong

Cuz u can survive reapers eating u

But a guy in the lore couldn’t

As in it bursting out

[brazen sparrow]

The reason we survive reaper birthing is because it's a video game and you are looking too far into it 😂

[bronze turtle]

Why is the terminal aggressive as the final boss on the island? How did it get mad ?

[agile glade]

You killed it’s guardians, the manticore is slightly different to the Dragon, Megapithicus and Broodmother as it’s not created to guard

The Scorched lore isn’t the best in terms of understandability

[bronze turtle]

But you have to kill the guardians for what reason?

[mental basin]

Probably. Just never mentioned.

[mental basin]

... probably.

[stiff estuary]

Aight

[mental basin]

Gameplay mechanic.

[mental basin]

You mean the Overseer?? It's supposed to be a test. It's not "ANGRY that you killed the Guardians".

You're literally supposed to.

[stiff estuary]

It fights you, after it’s beaten it goes back to managing the ark, at least that’s what I understand

[mental basin]

100% correct, ten billion points.

[agile glade]

Open the Tek cave, they’re heads are Keys

[bronze turtle]

Hmm.. to approve that im a survivor that can beat the main issue who is Rockwell?

[mental basin]

... what?

Oh, no. Not at all.

Watch Neddythenoodle's "What Is The System In ARK!?" Short.

[agile glade]

The overseer couldn’t be only a test, it had to be something more

[mental basin]

... It's a test. And it Oversees it's ARK.

[stiff estuary]

It’s to like prove ur strong enough to survive earth after the king titan dies or smth right

Cuz rockwell only becomes a problem later one

On

[agile glade]

Like on abb, they went into the hall of history and blew it up, we don’t see the overseer on any other maps

[mental basin]

That's pretty close, actually.

[mental basin]

All ARKs have an Overseer.

[agile glade]

I think it’s because the islands like a holding cell for survivors and as they need more they take em to other stations

[agile glade]

So why don’t we see them?

[mental basin]

No... Wildcard just didn't wanna make 3 TEK Caves.

[agile glade]

Fair

[stiff estuary]

Also didn’t the abb tek cave get destroyed

[bronze turtle]

So the main antagonist is king titan?

[mental basin]

Scorched's isn't there because the Map was incomplete from a product standpoint. Aberration's isn't theirs because it was blown to smithereens.

[agile glade]

But still, if we don’t have concrete evidence there could have only ever been one, and it’s job was to control the island

[stiff estuary]

The abb notes hint there was one tho

[agile glade]

So your just arguing to argue than?

[mental basin]

No, just the Overseer. We never actually see the TEK Cave, but there has to be one somewhere.

[stiff estuary]

Right ok

[mental basin]

You asked a question and I'm giving you your answer.

[agile glade]

Yeah, it was blown up, which means the overseer isn’t only a challange, it’s necessary for the station

[stiff estuary]

It’s both right

[mental basin]

What do you mean?

[stiff estuary]

Like both running the ark and a test

[agile glade]

I never asked a question, I stated the manticore isn’t a guardian, so the overseer doesn’t care if we’d killed it or not

[mental basin]

Another ten billion.

[agile glade]

The other three are, that’s why the overseer fights us

[mental basin]

The Manticore is a Guardian.

[stiff estuary]

I just have a head canon that the manticore is just a strange form of overseer

Cuz u ascend after it

[agile glade]

Just because it’s labeled as “Guardians” in its dossier doesn’t mean the Titans are

[mental basin]

Watch Neddythenoodle's "What Is The System In ARK!?" Short.

[mental basin]

... what are you talking about. The Manticore isn't a Titan.

[agile glade]

EXACTLY

[mental basin]

??

The Manticore is a Guardian. Helena literally tells us that in the Scorched Earth opening.

[agile glade]

The manticore isn’t a Guardian, neither are titans yet their dossiers are under “Guardians”

[stiff estuary]

Btw extinction mentions a titan like the forest titan, but it was defeated with a normal Mek easily, that’s weird?

[agile glade]

It’s not on the same teir as the three from the island. It’s different

[mental basin]

Helena literally tells us that the Manticore is the ARK's lone Guardian in the Scorched Earth opening.

[mental basin]

Story ≠ Gameplay

[agile glade]

Helena, never fought it. Also those intros don’t peice together everything

[mental basin]

Holy shit they literally do 💀

[stiff estuary]

She’s a homo deus tho

[mental basin]

She is indeed a Homo Deus.

[stiff estuary]

So she would understand the arks right

[agile glade]

She left with Rockwell after entering the Tek cave which we have no clue where it is, but she never fought the manticore

[mental basin]

She's directly connected to them via The System, yes.

The TEK Cave is in the Southwestern Ruins.

I think you should reread the Explorer Notes, or watch The Survival Stories.

[agile glade]

Along with this, the dev team changed so much that the lore isn’t 100% correct. Everything is right and wrong

[mental basin]

Additionally, Raia fought the Manticore. As did Timur and his men.

[agile glade]

Just because someone make a video on it doesn’t make it right

[mental basin]

Holy fuck Ned literally uses the EXPLORER NOTES 💀

[agile glade]

He also INFERS his information

[mental basin]

He doesn't holy shit I'm dying right now 💀

[agile glade]

Everything said is his ideas

[mental basin]

It's in the fucking Explorer Notes
Literally, explicitly stated

[agile glade]

Not my fault you can’t have a damn discussion over different ideas

[agile glade]

What is?

[mental basin]

Where the TEK Cave is
That Raia fought the Manticore
That Timur fought the Manticore

[agile glade]

Just cuz it says “Guardian” doesn’t mean it is one. It’s a broad word

[mental basin]

There are no "different ideas" when it comes to stated plot points 💀

[agile glade]

Yes, there is

How do you think we found out how dinosaurs existed?

[mental basin]

HAHAHA 💀💀

[agile glade]

Some like feathers? Others think scales?

Their is no concrete evidence to support the Manticore is a Guardian

[mental basin]

Explorer Notes: Helena’s name is Helena.
PopClampus: Well, see, I have a DIFFERENT idea. Her name is Gerald.

[lyric tendon]

brov... it has its own arena

[agile glade]

If I say Moeder is a guardian, dies that make it a guardian?

[agile glade]

So does every other boss, Rockwell isn’t a guardian

[mental basin]

It's stated that she's NOT a GUARDIAN

[mental basin]

Mazzy I'm actually dying over here

[agile glade]

Bruh whatever, I honestly don’t give a shit if you don’t wanna actually have a discussion

[lyric tendon]

rockwell is a proxy overseer because the old one got destroyed

[agile glade]

Like maybe I am wrong, I’m sharing a fucking idea

[mental basin]

Your discussion is literally "Well you've given me evidence, but I'm not going to acknowledge it in light of my own argument." Like c'monnn maaannn

C'monnnnn

[agile glade]

I think it’s not a guardian, I’m not shoving that down your throat, from what I’ve need, the word “guardian” is used to loosely

[agile glade]

Because the dev team changed so much, we can’t use newer information

[lyric tendon]

did you read the explorer notes man?

they literally mentioned "guardian" in SE notes

[mental basin]

A lot of this stuff has been in since Scorched Earth.

And The Island.

[agile glade]

What part of “Guardian is a loose term” don’t you get

[mental basin]

How is it a loose term?

[agile glade]

Also, where’s the guardians for Abb?

[mental basin]

There are none.

[lyric tendon]

it's no longer a loose term when there is a confirmation early on

[agile glade]

What is a guardian? Anything can be, it’s something that guards something else. Just because it’s labeled guardian doesn’t make it related to the rest

[mental basin]

If there is an explicit in-world definition, and it matches every facet, the logical conclusion would be that the Manticore is a Guardian.

[lyric tendon]

there is none as

1: there is no documentation of Ab's guardians
2: overseer is nuked, it's like you running a computer with no CPU on

[agile glade]

I don’t this it’s not a type of guardian, I just don’t think it’s able to be labled with the rest

[mental basin]

A Guardian is an ARK's test. Sometimes there are several. Sometimes there are one. Sometimes there are none. To challenge them, you need Artifacts. In the story, you need to go to their corresponding Obelisk. Once there, you must kill the Guardian to obtain a Trophy, which allows you to enter the TEK Cave.

[lyric tendon]

lmao?

the ARKs are made the same, the only difference is the biome

[mental basin]

I recommend The Survival Stories. They're really good and they'll help you out with any confusion you have on the ARK story.

[lyric tendon]

the reason being SE has 1 guardian compared to Island's 3 is because the outcome of the sample is very varied

SE is way too comfy for fighting a guardian so the overseer decided to make an earthquake and spawn new creatures from there

[agile glade]

I know how the game works. I’m saying there’s no proof the term guardian connects them both, yes they serve similar purposes but there not the same thing

[mental basin]

Then what is the Manticore.

[agile glade]

I have, most of it is isn’t clear on most topics

[lyric tendon]

sir.... do you even read the notes

[agile glade]

It’s not a guardian, it’s a different type

[lyric tendon]

it's literally a guardian you fool

the manticore has no intelligence to control the ARK

[mental basin]

No need to name-call now. 🫠

[agile glade]

I’m not saying it’s not checking the boxes to be one, I’m saying it’s not able to be labled one without proof of an overseer

[lyric tendon]

brov

[mental basin]

There is an Overseer for every ARK.

[agile glade]

Show me scorcheds

[lyric tendon]

lmao we made a movie about this even before the ascension update

[mental basin]

They all look the same!!

[agile glade]

I’d the overseer goes down so do the guardians, right?

[agile glade]

Yes, but show me that one

Their isn’t proof of one

[lyric tendon]

you have no proof that the manticore isnt a guardian either

[agile glade]

So the manticore, could just be a creature made by the arks, held captive in a arena

[lyric tendon]

yet we have a literal explorer noted that stated someone slew the guardian

[stiff estuary]

But then what is it tho

[lyric tendon]

basically, what guardians are

[agile glade]

That’s what I’ve been saying, it’s a loose term, it can’t be a guardian without something to guard

[agile glade]

Guardians guard the keys to the overseer, the manticore doesn’t do that

[mental basin]

Look at The Island’s. Now you've seen Scorched's

[lyric tendon]

there is no other type of guardian, it also shows it does guard something but we cannot access gameplay wise

[mental basin]

You see the funny prism-shaped construction that's on top of every ARK's third pillar? That's the Overseer Arena.

[mental basin]

They don't guard the Keys to the Overseer. They guard the Keys to the TEK Cave.

[lyric tendon]

because the overseer in SE is build different, see helena and rockwell's notes

[stiff estuary]

I mean I see it as a mix of a guardian and an overseer, since there’s no overseer

[agile glade]

Which leads to who?

[mental basin]

Rockwell and Helena entered the TEK Cave, and didn't need to fight the Overseer to ascend.

[lyric tendon]

if there is no overseer the ARK collapses, see AB

[mental basin]

Like I said. Gameplay ≠ Lore

[stiff estuary]

Right, but we don’t see one on scorched tho, so there has to be smth like it right

[lyric tendon]

like i just said, some overseers build different

[stiff estuary]

Like the manticore maybe? Idk

[mental basin]

So, the Scorched Earth Ascension messed this up. We aren't supposed to Ascend after defeating the Manticore. They didn't wanna make another TEK Cave and Overseer battle. Make sense?

[agile glade]

Still, why does the overseer have a guardian if it’s not needed to protect it, it’s like having a guard dog protect someone 2 miles away

[lyric tendon]

Helena and Rockwell are the last people to actually step foot in the Starlight Sanctuary (ASE Tek Cave)

the reason being is that there is no arena for the overseer, just a control panel

[stiff estuary]

Ok, Tahts fair but still, yknow

[mental basin]

The Overseer doesn't need protection.

It's MEANT to be defeated.

[stiff estuary]

The guardians are tests

[agile glade]

Why did The Islands need it?

[mental basin]

It didn't. The Guardians are tests.

[lyric tendon]

because The Island is filled with agressive people while in SE are (used to be) passive

we literally made a movie about this

[agile glade]

The manticore isn’t a test thought, it’s not a guardian

[mental basin]

How is it not a test 💀

[agile glade]

It’s separated from the SE overseer

[mental basin]

It's not.

Sigh, I'm losing my minddd.

[agile glade]

How so? If we don’t see it how do we know?

[stiff estuary]

What I understand is that arks are for making tough humans to survive on a post king titan world, but some test them differently, depending on how the overseer on each ark wants things done

[lyric tendon]

think about it
Island: Warriors, Barbarians, Soldiers
SE: Civilized, peaceful (maybe somethieves mixed in)
Ab: filled with Tek people

[stiff estuary]

So some fight the survivors themselves

[mental basin]

You see the funny prism-shaped construction that's on top of every ARK's third pillar? That's the Overseer Arena. What does SE have? An Overseer Arena. Like every OTHER ARK.

[mental basin]

First part is correct.

[agile glade]

Yes, but we don’t know if it’s UP THERE

[stiff estuary]

While some just use a random thing to fight

[mental basin]

Are you breathing right now?

[lyric tendon]

simple, see the ascension

[agile glade]

there’s zero evidence to back up that the overseers even there in the first place, it could be elsewhere on the station

[mental basin]

Through your lungs? Are you breathing through your lungs?

[stiff estuary]

Ie manticore

[lyric tendon]

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/ARKs

[mental basin]

Can you see them? Can ya see ya lungs?

[lyric tendon]

literally that overhanging thingyis the overseer arena, AB's is destroyed

[agile glade]

And if it is, than why did the manticore have to die to ascend if it’s not needed to ascend?

[lyric tendon]

gameplay

[mental basin]

Unless you rip them out of your chest, NO!

[mental basin]

It's called common sense.

[stiff estuary]

Cuz it like requires people to prove themselves strong before getting to leave

[lyric tendon]

there is a lot of visual and concept changes to the lore just to make it gameplay friendly

[agile glade]

I’m saying that you can’t call the manticore a guardian until we know their is something it’s guarding, it’s gotta guard an overseer but we haven’t seen one or know theirs even one their

[lyric tendon]

it's not guarding the overseer, it's guarding your ascension

[mental basin]

They're called Guardians because they guard the ARKs in a sense. What Mazz said.

They guard- or bar- us from Ascension.

[lyric tendon]

what else the hall of history has control panels ready for you to push

[agile glade]

It’s not guarding shit though

[mental basin]

Get strong enough, get their Keys, take on The Overseer.

[lyric tendon]

it is

[agile glade]

What? Not the overseer since we never see it

[lyric tendon]

the overseer is not guarding your ascension

[mental basin]

Can you SEE your LUNGS