lore-nerdz

[bold dove]

Well yes, Corruption is naturally in a constant pissed state.
But you can make something more pissed then it already was.

[gusty turret]

But in the notes its also not necessarily a matter of killing because she makes it clear you can use them alive to summon him as well

[bold dove]

I'd be pissed if people made my friends go against me

[gusty turret]

Without knowing what the call actually is its kinda hard to say🤷‍♂️

[bold dove]

Just like most of her notes, it's up to interpretation.

[gusty turret]

She speaks in metaphors so whether the call is actually calling out "his name" or its something else whos to say besides the writer

[bold dove]

Also, do we literally have to say his name of 'King-Titan' or does he have a proper name?
Cause there's something goofy about shouting out 'King-Titan'

[gusty turret]

Well its not us its the titans

[bold dove]

Fair.

[gusty turret]

So whatever the titans called him i guess

[bold dove]

Kind of wanna know what they call him, since it probably sounds better then "King-Titan"

[gusty turret]

"Yo Bob" in titan-tongue

[forest kite]

Is the king titan element personified? which is why the alpha king titan gives the true ending?

[bold dove]

Not exactly Element, but Corruption.

Corruption is more of an offshoot of Element/Edmundium.
If you know Halo lore, good way to think about it personally is the contrast between the Precursors and The-Flood.

But yes, he is the personified version of Corruption.

And also correct on your second half.
The alpha-King-Titan is him at his full strength.

[mental basin]

What did I miss

[bold dove]

Me possibly being a dumb ass.

[mental basin]

[bold dove]

Not sure how good the contrast between Element/Corruption is to Halo's precursors/flood.

That's how I've always viewed it though.

[mental basin]

The King Titan a product of Element Corruption. It quite literally willed him into existence.

So I guess saying that he's Corruption personified would be accurate.

And the Mecha King Titan is the King Titan at his absolute strongest.

[bold dove]

Opinions on Animated Series Stel?

[mental basin]

I don't dislike it as much anymore.

I didn't like the story changes initially, and I still dislike how Helena's character looks, but the more I see of it, the more exited I am.

I'm most exited to see Mei-Yin, as she appears to be the most authentic to her in-game self.

[bold dove]

Personal take, is I could care less about how characters look. As long as they don't use that redesign as an excuse to ruin the story.

[mental basin]

If Helena acts like she did in the second trailer the entirety of TAS she's going to quickly become my least favorite character.

She just seems weak and whiny the entirety of the trailer, and helplessly gets everyone to do everything for her.

Yet in the first she absolutely bodied someone and their raptor.

[bold dove]

Yeah, the contrast is weird.
But to be fair......she's already like this in the notes.

[lyric tendon]

TBF she pull stuff on her own when she is working for Rockwell

And in SE

[bold dove]

She was a lot better in SE, but still pretty whiny.

Aberration and Extinction Helena are by far the worse versions of her.

[lyric tendon]

I mean Helena doesn't know the signs of Rockwell's descent to madness

It's kinda justified for her in Ab

[mental basin]

No, she isn't. Not to that extent.

[bold dove]

She doesn't know the signs, cause she stopped caring for him.
She took responsibility to take care of the old man during Scorched, when her whole motivation was to find him.
Then she leaves him on his own, even when he has obvious issues before they found Mei on Aberration.

[mental basin]

Something I've gradually realized is that everyone's original personalities have been exacerbated.

[lyric tendon]

She doesn't even know the signs back in SE

That is the time they are separated as well until Raia brought them together

[mental basin]

• Helena is a whiny, helpless protagonist

• Rockwell is immediately evil right off of the bat

• Mei-Yin is arguably the most consistent, but her badassery is upped

• Nerva's savagery has been turned up five notches

This makes me look forward to Mei and Nerva more than anyone, so far.

[lyric tendon]

Mei is not supposed to be the "OP badass" like people think

Her goal is just want to go home, or even questioned "what is home"

[mental basin]

Mei was a badass, but inside she was weakened by what others thought of her.

[bold dove]

Helena I can see, but Rockwell has always been an ass.
Now evil, that's different. But he has always had a black and white moral-compass of "no cost is too great to advance humanity."

[mental basin]

Not until Scorched Earth.

I watched the entire The Island Survival Stories supercut for a, cough, project, cough, and Rockwell isn't evil at all.

In his TAS description, he is said to be 'harboring dark intentions' right off of the bat.

[lyric tendon]

She wasnt until she start learning to survive solo

She has the worse trust issues amongst the Island gang

the anime doesn't shows that

[bold dove]

"Now evil, that's different"
Like I said, he wasn't evil on The-Island, but his moral-compass was already set in stone.

[mental basin]

It might, do note that I'm not refuting that fact, I'm basing everything off of what we've already seen.

[mental basin]

Wrong- let me point you towards a little known Tribe. The 'Laughing Skulls'.

During the experimental testing phase of his Rockwell Recipes, they brought Rockwell some unwilling test subjects- those who had been inferred prisoners of the Skulls.

What did Rockwell do? He turned down the offer.

[bold dove]

Then he regretted it.

[mental basin]

Now, when Nerva came along, things changed. After becoming obsessed with the Obelisks, his moral compass was shifted- all in the name of science.

[mental basin]

He didn't, again, I JUST watched TSS.

It was only after he accepted Nerva’s offer that he dropped everything.

[bold dove]

"With how difficult it is to find volunteers these days, I sometimes regret it."

[mental basin]

Note?

[bold dove]

4

Of The-Islands

"Any chemist worth his salt knows the irreplaceable value of testing. Until a tonic has been rigorously tested, it is less useful than water. If only I could persuade this island’s less intellectual inhabitants to see that tests on Mesopithecus serve well for early trials, but they are no replacement for genuine human subjects at later, safer stages.

By subjects I of course mean willing participants that are prepared to risk mild headaches and much less mild nausea for the sake of science. The Laughing Skulls offered rather less willing participants at one point, but I declined. With how difficult it is to find volunteers these days, I sometimes regret it. "

He doesn't even give Helena, his apparently friend any benefit of a doubt when he finds out she's been working with Mei.
He instantly goes to hating her, and wanting to manipulate her.

[mental basin]

Mm, no, you're right. Regardless, at that point, he at least had it in him to reject the offer.

[bold dove]

Oh defiantly.
But a mans actions is only as good as his consciousness.
As we see later on, we see his greed get to him with Edmundium.
A person doesn't just become bad, there's reasons to it.
Either abuse, neglect, or just being good at hiding their real intentions.

[mental basin]

Rockwell always had kind of a... a short temper isn't the right term, but he was always an impatient and hasty man.

The Obelisks had the negative effect of bringing it to light, for everyone to see.

[bold dove]

Which is why I say he didn't start evil, as evil is subjective to ones view.
But his moral-compass was set in stone from his first introduction.

[bold dove]

Honestly, I think the artifacts did

He talks about the artifacts before the obelisks if I recall right.
And the way he writes that note seems very.....obsessive.

[mental basin]

Though I did forget about his Scorched Earth Record, where he mention playing with corpses. I won't count it, because it was added after The Island's initial story.

I just am displeased with how evil he appears to be right off of the bat. Going so far as to outright insult the viewer in the first TAS Trailer.

[bold dove]

Yeah, he's always been a bit iffy.
As long as it advances humanity, no cost is too great for him.
Even lives.

[mental basin]

Can we agree, though, that it became that way AFTER Nerva stepped in?

I mean, at least he had the common courtesy to fight the urge initially.

[bold dove]

I could see that as a "you know he's the badguy, so let us demonstrate Tennants craziness"

[bold dove]

Oh 100%

[mental basin]

I hope so.

[bold dove]

Nerva 100% encouraged it.

Cause he's Roman.
He probably shares more in common with Rockwell's time then Rockwell does with the modern day.

Cause the Venturina-era was the last era before governments started to put in more moral-based laws.

So modern-day morality is probably more alien to him then a Roman's moral-compass.

[lyric tendon]

What I have noticed with Nerva in the 2nd trailer that he is basically Timur

Complete with the shoulder skull

Last time I checked, no roman wears skulls

Pelts maybe but never skulls

[bold dove]

Last time I checked, Roman also weren't on futuristic space stations.

While yes, Romans had a general faction style.
Everyone at every time period has their own preferences.

Romans where also heavily prideful, so it's not too far fetched that he would be wearing the skull of his first ever possible kill in this land.

[mental basin]

I think they're going to skip over Scorched.

It's gonna go The Island, Aberration and Extinction if both Seasons do well enough.

[bold dove]

Why?
Scorched is kind of important to the story.

[mental basin]

They've combined Nerva/Timur's design and they already have a Native American named John on The Island.

[bold dove]

Never understood that point.
Can people not have the same first name?

[mental basin]

The only important plot points in Scorched Earth are the Obelisks, and Rockwell’s Element obsession. Not only do we see the Green Obelisk begin to pulse with energy in TAS Trailer 2, but Helena and Mei find a TEK Rifle after the Broodmother fight.

Why is that important? In Rockwell's keyart, we see him obsessing over a... ding ding ding, TEK Rifle.

The Obelisks will most likely be something set off by Nerva (Even though, as we discussed, that's NOT how they work) and Rockwell finding Element Ore will be replaced with Rockwell obsessing over the TEK Rifle.

[mental basin]

Two different male, native american characters with the same name would be extremely confusing to viewers.

[bold dove]

Was OG John ever confirmed to be native?

[mental basin]

Yes.

[bold dove]

Interesting

[mental basin]

He's an Apache outlaw.

[bold dove]

I do hope the show is good.
But the changes I can see being big enough to make the show flop.

[mental basin]

I don't, because nobody knows the story anyways. My only gripe is the fact that it's a retelling, so now we'll have people confused over what's canon and what's not.

[bold dove]

Issue is, I fear they may go back on their word and make this the new canon

Especially with ASA coming out.

Kind of why I'm working on my own project.
While the original plot is good, there's defiantly some things that could use some changing, or more explaining for world building.
But the existing rules shouldn't be tampered with, which I'm not doing.

[mental basin]

Doubt, they just made a ton of new stuff for ASE with the Story Update which they're ten billion percent going to reuse.

You don't put in all that effort just to scrap it immediately, and have two games with different stories.

[bold dove]

Not saying they're not going to reuse them.
But that they could be replacing the original notes with stuff more in line with the show

Especially The-Island notes that are like 5 years old

[mental basin]

I also doubt.

They just spent thousands on celebrity VO, they're not going to throw all of that away.

And if I'm correct, thousands more are going to be spent to get ALL Explorer Notes voiced in ASA.

[bold dove]

Good point on that, I did forget that

[brazen sparrow]

exited

[gusty turret]

Yeah i saw that too

Neddy The Noodle really made a whole short dedicated to poop

[tender wasp]

They can but it is never good for a narrative or a story cause it confuses the reader/watcher. You want to make characters stand out, and having a nearly identical character with the same name is not a good choice. Both are even of native american origin so a different name would have been a way better choice here. Now a lot of people mistake him for the Scorched John.

[tender wasp]

Did they mention they gonna do that at some point ? Simply curious here.

[mental basin]

No, nothing substantial. But when I asked Ced about it on Twitter, I got the rare Cedric reply, so I'll cling to it.

[quaint marsh]

Perhaps the helmet of an enemy would be kept, but the skull feels too savage to be used by a roman

[quaint marsh]

If they do that there will be backlash, and I will personally cry (the Island has my favourite lore)

I'll most likely enjoy the show even if it is different from the notes, acknowledging that the show is not canon. What I don't want, is for them to erase previous lore to make the show more canon. Star Wars tried this, and look at them now

[mental basin]

They won't change any lore.

[carmine cedar]

Me who has skipped the explorer notes since day 1: relatable

[mental basin]

They might change an illustration or two, but that's it. And I even doubt they'll do that.

[mental basin]

How dare you squander this delicious lore?

More for me, I suppose.

[carmine cedar]

Neddy got me covered 🗿

His videos enough

[mental basin]

Watch the Summary Series while you're at it.

[carmine cedar]

I did (I think)

[mental basin]

Good, very good.

I need to rewrite the first one though.

I skipped over a lot of important stuff I shouldn't have.

[carmine cedar]

There is just 1 episode tho

[mental basin]

There's three, actually.

[carmine cedar]

Prologue — Ark Lore Explained, u mean that right?

[mental basin]

That's the first.

I don't remember what we called the second one, but the third one is Survival to Ascension.

Introducing the ARKs, that's what we called it.

[carmine cedar]

The series is called ARK Lore Explained, what you said is name of Ep2

Bro doesn’t know what he wrote himself SMH

[mental basin]

??

It's been half of a year, what did I say?

[quaint marsh]

aRoy, what did you eat for lunch yesterday?

[carmine cedar]

Rice and dal, with chicken and potatoes

[quaint marsh]

First to remember

[mental basin]

OHHH it was Ascension to Discovery.

That's a weird title, I don't like it.

[carmine cedar]

[quaint marsh]

Yeeah, survival to ascension was better lol

[carmine cedar]

[mental basin]

Time to harass Neddy boy to change it.

I think it's funny that the only Video I sketched a Thumbnail for performed horribly compared to the rest.

Hidden talent that should stay hidden ‼️

[lyric tendon]

I am surely cry if Raia or Diana is retconned/replaced by anime OCs

Without Diana, Mei is just a basic Mary Sue

"Oh Wuzui is dead?, Mmk time to murder that Roman that spreads BS and calling me an insider in the Island"

Oh Brusing, you don't care about the OG notes, sit down

[brazen sparrow]

I just don't know where in the actual fuck it is that you get these delusions from lmao

And I'm the last person you want to try and say doesn't know or care about the notes and lore lol

[rain dock]

Why is thst lol

[gusty turret]

Because he hasn't had his gfuel this morning so hes a little cranky and you don't want him to go alpha wolf mode

[flat charm]

Or worse: Overwolf mode!

[mental basin]

Lovely, the daily ARK lore fallout.

[low briar]

Lore.
Lore never changes.
Until it does because reasons

[bold dove]

Urp

[wet yew]

Urp

[gusty turret]

Veggie cat... Veggie cat never changes

[lyric tendon]

pretty much

[quaint marsh]

John and Raia too

Losing them is a big loss (they have cool story)

And shows really just how much the survivors are controlled by the Arks, without realising

[gusty turret]

Why did you list Raia again

[low briar]

Raia pt2
Electric Boogaloo

[quaint marsh]

For some reason didn't realise Mazzy mentioned her lol

Double Raia time

(I was half awake)

[brazen sparrow]

I still don't see why people think that they're going to retcon anything in the first place, there's literally no basis/reasoning for this at all, it's just lies and propaganda for the sake of being lies and propaganda 🤷‍♂️

[lyric tendon]

^ Source: I made that up

[gusty turret]

In no way is people having the opinion that they might recon after years of the story initially being released lies or propaganda, its just an opinion

[latent ledge]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some new additions to the story and background stories of characters. As far as I'm still aware the animated series isn't strictly canonical to what the notes have described. When it was shown that Helena had a wife I was surprised that she didn't mention her sooner in any of the notes. It might just be stuff like that, assessing which characters have room for more and developing new attributes and or characteristic for them.

Like Nerva, I think there's a lot more to explore with his character, interaction with named members of the howling wolves (if that's who he struck an alliance with). Same for Diana too, I remember hearing something about the ASA DLC being a pre-island prequel, so there might be more about her if she's present in that DLC which would lead people to believe that something has been retconned. It's a healthy worry imo.

[lyric tendon]

the moment they give VAs to characters that are unfamiliar to the notes but never to those that are existed in the notes kinda prove my worry that they will reconned

and this is a
# Worry

[carmine cedar]

# WORRISOME INDEED

[lyric tendon]

### fail

[carmine cedar]

You didn’t see that

[low briar]

Big is back?

[carmine cedar]

yes

[low briar]

Oshit, but undylines are

[carmine cedar]

all servers now as well

[mental basin]

Here's my personal opinion.
IF we get anything, at most we might get a slight change or two, but they won't change anything substantial in the story.

[mental basin]

And this, TAS isn't canon.

Like in any way shape or form.

It's unfortunate, but I hope they'll still tell a good story.

[latent ledge]

That's what I dislike about the animated series frankly

I'll watch it, but it's in the same vein as the Halo TV show. If it's not canon to the IP it comes from, I just lose interest.

[mental basin]

It's going to be extremely annoying having people come in confused that TAS isn't canon. It's going to be mixed up with game lore, and it scares me.

[mental basin]

Nahhh it's not that bad. At the very least they're following a lot of the same plot points, just shifted slightly.

Like, Helena and Mei still take on a Guardian, but instead of being the Megapithecus it's the Broodmother.

[lyric tendon]

RIP Iron Brotherhood lol

[mental basin]

Mei-Yin and Nerva still sustain their rivalry too, etc etc. TAS and ARK have the same starting and ending point, it's just what happens in the middle that's changed.

The only parts I really dislike, as stated previously, are Helena and Rockwell.

We haven't seen much of him, but Rockwell seems evil right off of the bat.

And Helena was extremely annoying the entirety of the TAS Trailer for me. She looks like a massive Anti-Sue.

I can only pray that they somehow showed a compilation of her worst moments, and she's actually really good in TAS.

Finally, we have Bob.

[low briar]

[gusty turret]

# URP

[low briar]

urp

[carmine cedar]

URP

[bold dove]

Okay, this is nowhere near the same situation.

[latent ledge]

It's still non-canon though. The Halo series has a litany of issues aside from that.

[bold dove]

You can still have canon issues with a canon product.

Look at the entirety of Halo-5.

And gonna be honest, comparing anything to the Halo-show is kind of impossible.
That entire show with all 9 episodes made video-game adaptations have a new standard of low.
I'd much rather rewatch the live-action Mario movie then the Halo-show again.

[arctic bison]

would you rather watch that movie while high on shrooms tho?

[bold dove]

No actually, I'd 100% watch it raw rather then the Halo-show.

[carmine cedar]

Hii

[latent ledge]

Hey aR0y

[carmine cedar]

Didn’t expect to find u here

[bronze turtle]

do anything just dont let the ark2 story be woke

[waxen flame]

define woke

[mental basin]

Bro 💀

He has to be bait.

[bronze turtle]

agenda pushing

[mental basin]

Mei-Yin and Diana are gay in ARK
TAS Helena is gay
There is a gay couple in Genesis 2

[bronze turtle]

aka Disney

video games should be an escape from irl politics not just another medium to push one side of the isle onto the other

[waxen flame]

don’t think ark2 is gonna tell you who to vote for

[rain dock]

I thi k you are mixing up politics and ideology

[mental basin]

Who's gonna tell him about the leaked Santiago × Rockwell making out scene in ARK II

Yeah.

[waxen flame]

that’s not political so that can’t be what he means

right

[mental basin]

It's bad to shove either down anyone's throat. But ARK hasn't really been guilty of that.

[bronze turtle]

ideology is a political weapon

[waxen flame]

oh boy

[rain dock]

Yeah, maybe, but don't mistake the two because they are not the same

[carmine cedar]

Sounds American, I’m out

[bronze turtle]

so far but every other form of media has gone down that path

[waxen flame]

take me with you

[mental basin]

As an American myself

Don't leave me here

[carmine cedar]

I’ll take 8 men with me, 9 to leave the 9

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-squad-gif-5398456

[rain dock]

I get the ring, because I'll be the shortest, most fragile and downright frustrating of the 9 🤣

[carmine cedar]

💀

[rain dock]

The movies really did frodo a disservice though

[mental basin]

Totally not me having neglected to read the books besides The Hobbit

And being completely confused when watching the movies

[carmine cedar]

Have a Lego lad named Lego-las

[mental basin]

Draco Malfoy ahh

[rain dock]

You can't be a lore expert of anything if you haven't even read the LOTR series 😳

[carmine cedar]

Tbh if you watch just the movies u wil understand the basic plot

[mental basin]

Want to challenge my ARK lore knowledge?

[carmine cedar]

Elrond probably knows more abt ARK than u, he’s a loremaster

[rain dock]

Aside from frodo and gimli being lame in the movies

[carmine cedar]

Or Lord Elrond, should I say

[carmine cedar]

Frodo yeah, but Gimli? Where?

He gets little screen time but isn’t particularly changed

[rain dock]

Gimli was smart in the books

[mental basin]

Who is this Elrond? And why doesn't he write for Ned?

[carmine cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-elrond-comeatme-comeatmebro-fightme-gif-3577392

Elrond writes for all Middle Earth

[rain dock]

Because he is fictional

[brazen sparrow]

This has nothing to do with the lore

[carmine cedar]

I like how this conversation is casually happening in #lore-nerdz

[mental basin]

[carmine cedar]

The channel description says, “Keep in on topic please”

[mental basin]

We never do.

This is the fate of the ARK Lore Channel.

[brazen sparrow]

False, it says "Keep it on-topic please"

[mental basin]

[rain dock]

It beats "agenda pushing" talk tbf

[brazen sparrow]

[mental basin]

Agreed

[carmine cedar]

Its better than whatever political whatever debate y’all were gonna have

Yeah

[rain dock]

I cut the wings out of his politics argument though 🤣

[brazen sparrow]

Guy literally came in here to start some deep stater wokeist agenda talk and got largely ignored because nobody gives a shit

Lmao

[mental basin]

"do anything just dont let the ark2 story be woke"
"Who the Hell starts a conversation with that? I just sat down!"

[carmine cedar]

(Not for Stel, a guy’s msg got deleted)

[mental basin]

Bro isn't a clown... he's the whole circus...

Anyways, since I'm here

If anyone wants lore questions answered I'm your guy

[rain dock]

Yes, what leftist woke agenda is being pushed in ark? 🤣🤣🤣

[low briar]

How many critters did Mei-Yin actually tame?

[mental basin]

Steamy Rockwell × Nerva fanfic

[mental basin]

Undetermined, though confirmed Creatures are Raptors, Carnos and a Giga, alongside unnamed Herbivores. Rockdrake and a Shinehorn on AB.

[carmine cedar]

Mei-Yin didn’t have a shadowmane says with signature smirk of superiority

[mental basin]

[low briar]

How'd she tame a Rock Drake? That's illegal

[mental basin]

With Tranq Arrows, somehow.

[low briar]

Magic Mei-Yin ✨

[mental basin]

Mei has Admin Cheats.

[low briar]

I believe it. Giga in a boss arena

[mental basin]

Giga taming on foot

[brazen sparrow]

Really not that hard as everyone makes it out to be

Even easier with a trap

[mental basin]

I challenge you to Tranq a Giga out with a Primitive Bow atop a Raptor

[low briar]

Repair as you go, but not terribly hard

[rain dock]

I doubt Mei used a prim bow

[rain dock]

I mean, let it start draining once and it's impossible to do

[mental basin]

There's nothing saying she got any better.

In fact, if anything, it'd be like, a negative Primitive Bow.

She mentioned she can't craft for shizzle in her Notes.

[low briar]

So don't let it drop 🤔

As long as you get a hit every 4 seconds, you're mostly good

[quaint marsh]

Do you promise?

[mental basin]

To my ability, yeah.

[quaint marsh]

Could you please do an in depth analysis of the politics and tensions between the Island's tribes, aswell as how they are affected by Nerva's uprising? Which ones are the strongest, whereabouts do you think they would live?

[mental basin]

Heh

HAHAHA

I dunno if I'm supposed to say this but, wait until you see the Video I wrote for Neddy.

Like, literally just finished the script yesterday.

[quaint marsh]

I don't usually watch his stuff besides the Survival Stories, but I'll check it out lol

[mental basin]

That's all I can say on the matter. You didn't hear anything from me.

[quaint marsh]

I'm not serious with that question btw, very few show interest in that part of the lore. It's just my personal favourite part of it all... and I'm interested to see if others have similar theories as I do

[quaint marsh]

You promised to talk you swindler

[mental basin]

Just watch his next full Video, you'll get what you want.

[quaint marsh]

we shall see...

But you still have said nothing on the matter

[low briar]

It's gonna take some time to buffer that request in video form

[rain dock]

Tbf there isn't a huge amount in the notes regarding the politics of the various tribes.

Mostly that lots were mostly peaceful and then nerva

[quaint marsh]

That's why it's mostly theories

I wanted to hear the guys thoughts on it all. (And they did say, ask me anything)

[mental basin]

There is. There's a massive amount.

Ever heard of the Southern Isle Accord?

[quaint marsh]

I have

I wonder how far it wrnt

[mental basin]

Was talking to Raq

[quaint marsh]

Sorry

Okay, now I'm actually interested in this vid you and Ned cooked up, nobody talks about this stuff lol

And yet it's very interesting

[rain dock]

If you can cover it in one video there isn't lot

[mental basin]

It's called not going ridiculously in-depth.

And it miiight not be one.

[rain dock]

I have read every note in the game in depth. Probably not as much as you, but the ark tribe politics isn't that deep or complex in the notes

[quaint marsh]

There is enough to begin speculating, more than I've seen on for example the TEK war. You have to piece together Rockwell's and Nerva's notes mostly, and sometimes add some Mei and Helena shenanigans

But okay, serious question @empty sparrow. How do you picture the Southern Haven?

[rain dock]

There is more than on the tek war yes, but if you have to speculate to flesh out the story that means there isn't a lot

[mental basin]

Uhhh... wrong person.

The Southern Haven is just... a base. On Southern Haven.

Plus the Painted Sharks have coastal fortresses, not just their central compound.

[low briar]

I refuse to believe the Painted Sharks did anything other than race megalodon/manta around the Island all day

[gusty turret]

Isn't Helena gay in general i thought that was previously established just not in notes that she just was

[bold dove]

Never stated her sexuality in general in the notes, so anything was possible.

Actually, there's more evidence showing that she might've been gay in the notes.
Since she unironically draws Aberration Mei-Yin with a big ass.
Like, it was kind of apparent in the art that she at least appreciated Mei's ass with how much detail she gives it.

[mental basin]

BOOTLEG

CAN you go FIVE seconds without talking about Mei's FAT ASS

PLEASE!??

[waxen flame]

[rain dock]

I mean, notes Helena is a scientist. You don't write about your love life in science papers or your notes on them

[dense ice]

dude its in the note, look for yourself

helena 26, aberration

[lyric tendon]

What if Mei is indeed naturally THICC

Only Helena knows and she draws acceuately-ish (don't ask about the Velo and the amarga mmk?)

Unless there is a Tek snapshot of her by Diana, we all agree that Mei is indeed

THICC

[carmine cedar]

It’s true

[carmine cedar]

The dossiers are supposed to be scientific (tho they are not, Helena scam as usual)

The notes are just chronicles of her adventures

[rain dock]

Yeah, the writer writing for Helena isn't a scientist

[lyric tendon]

Mei is wearing

ASSLESS CHAPS

[carmine cedar]

Do note that this illustration is made with the ass is secured with a pistol belt of sorts

[bold dove]

I have.

Don't know where the fuck you've heard me talk about her ass last time, but that was months ago.

[bold dove]

And like, this isn't even me being weird.
She flat out drew her like a Pixar mom.

So yeah, I'll bring it up since it's canon.
But I have no idea why you're getting pissy when I haven't even brought it up almost never in here.

[low briar]

Not only, but

ASSLESS TEK CHAPS

[remote hearth]

ass.

[carmine cedar]

"Pixar mom?"

[carmine cedar]

Also when I did disapprove of thicc Mei Yin

[bold dove]

When what?

I was tagging you to show to SteL.

[valid gale]

hi maby this isent a lore thing

but its grey area, they finaly gave us a SE assention cut sean i mean how may years did that take?

ands you know what i think devid tenats laugh wa work the wait ;)

[midnight bobcat]

What purpose to the canon serve those students that ate each other and whatnot on abb?

[valid gale]

in sorry ther were camible students on ab?

[midnight bobcat]

Can't link wiki?

Ok, look up 'Graduate Students' on arks wiki

[carmine cedar]

[midnight bobcat]

So, yes, there were, and I want to know what does it add to the story

[mental basin]

There really isn't one. No Survivors on any ARK are there for a reason, except maybe us, the player.

Story-wise, they're to kind of bridge the gap between the Tek Tribe's departure and our arrival onto Aberration.

Plus, @calm wadi helped write them, and he's a cool dude.

[mental basin]

I thought it was apparently obvious but I was joking? 😭

[valid gale]

good god

im reading this stuff and wow ive missed some good stuff its like its not even ark

reading it knowing what they are encountering knowing what they are seaking

man who ever wrote that stuff did a bloody good job

[valid gale]

rockwell post element exose is evil

[carmine cedar]

[mental basin]

[carmine cedar]

[valid gale]

how did rockwell go from humen to what ever the hell he is in ab

[carmine cedar]

[valid gale]

what he ate soem element

inject multon element into his blood stream

took a swim in the molt element rivers of ab

[mental basin]

Injection.

[midnight bobcat]

He first mixed the molten element with his blood until it wouldn't melt him and then just injected that mixture into his bloodstream

[valid gale]

So what your saying is any mad bastard

Can do this given some brain cells and some molten element

And a willines to become a very powerful monster like thing

[midnight bobcat]

I think element may be a little too chaotic/unpredictable, but with will from element/luck, yeah.

[hexed abyss]

All of the corrupted dinos and titans on extinction

[mental basin]

Ackhushyually 🤓

Mixing any given element with blood doesn't alter its effects in the slightest

His 19th century education is showing

[carmine cedar]

Imagine how thicc Mei Yin element version would be

[arctic bison]

[carmine cedar]

[arctic bison]

[carmine cedar]

Gen2 Extra Life was the best one

[bold dove]

Nope.
Seemed very blunt. 🗿

[mental basin]

Oh oh no

Oh no no no no no no

[carmine cedar]

Inb4 someone reports me to Dodomail

[strange nymph]

Hey
So I didn't even know about much of the story of ark, until recently.
So I started looking into it a bit more, because it's quite fascinating.
Anyway, the thing I wanted to ask is: does the lore have any explanation to drops? Like did we ever get an explanation for their existence?

[bold dove]

Yes and no.
The hall-of-history shows they do drop down, but nowhere are they mentioned.
Could be a ingame lore versus in-universe lore situation, or the Overseer just decided to add them after the original group left.
But for OSD's on Extinction, they do have an explanation.
They're meant to help any humans on the dead Earth if I recall, and they're shot from the ARK's.

[strange nymph]

Ah
I'm chewing through the survival notes, and it's just amazing
I never knew there was a story this deep behind a "simple dino game"

[bold dove]

ARK.....has never been a simple dino game.

Always had sci-fi obelisks in the sky that where meant to give later incite.

[strange nymph]

It was that to me
Even if I thought about the story all i imagined is some sort of alien thing mixed into the gameplay
My friend knew about the story, but we didn't really talk about it
I knew there were bosses and the obelisks were the ones that kept everything alive and running, but nothing else really

[brazen sparrow]

The main theory is that Helena-Deus made them to assist us, as they don't show up in notes whatsoever and are barely even mentioned outside of gameplay (and even then, only in passing via AMAs or something similar iirc)

[gusty turret]

I remember when everyone thought corrupted Mei Yin was gonna be the boss pre extinction release

Like pre chronicles too

[low briar]

Nah, she's gonna be the boss for the new DLC
Ark needed UE5 just to render

THICC TEK ASSLESS CHAPS

[mental basin]

UH NO

Why did you think they were shot from the ARKs WHAT

The OSDs come from space, we dunno where, but not from the ARKs. We aren't supposed to be on Earth in the first place.

[mental basin]

Watch NeddyTheNoodle's Survival Stories, then move onto his Lore Explained Series.

Once Aberration Part 3 is done, we'll continue work on the Lore Explained Series.

And about the first Episode- Prologue, I didn't really write it very well, and some things go unexplained. There'll be a supercut compiling the all the summaries, and it'll be fixed there.

But if you have any story questions, I'm wayyy more than happy to answer.

[bold dove]

"if I recall" is my keyword.

Also while yes, not confirmed.
There isn't any other sources that could allow them to come from the sky other then the ARK's, unless there's some factory shooting them down still working on the destroyed moon.

[gusty turret]

They may function similarly to the ship drops🤷‍♂️

The design is quite similar so

[brazen sparrow]

They are sent back from the ship (and have been for hundreds of years), that's my guess

[valid gale]

so let me see if i have this right

[brazen sparrow]

But they could very easily be shot down from the Arks, don't see why not. They have fabricators just like the ship does, and Helena-Deus very well could rework them to shoot supplies from orbit (as she likely did with normal drops in the first place), not really that far fetched as to warrant such a response as it did...

[valid gale]

group 1 of surviers detonated a bomb, which weraked aberation by exposing it to space, then group 2 survied undergroud built the portal and left for earth?

[brazen sparrow]

All the same "group", the tek tribe

But close enough I suppose

There is the new additions when they get to the caves in the form of the other note authors ||as well as the eensy tiny mass murder||

[carmine cedar]

[valid gale]

hi im having an issue where i cant type in the bobs with probs

chat which chat would be an aproiat place to take this issue?

[lyric tendon]

while this is purely theoretical and very "off-cam"

since we all know Mei dont make stuff, what if she got her ascendant prim stuff in the drops but never mentioned it

yes she mentioned she can barter but never mentioned she succeed a trade

(or just steal whatever burning corpse nearby)

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i'm watching those
But I don't know if it's the full or not. Like between the island and earth there are 2 other arks and a simulation, right? I can't find those.

[mental basin]

Okay, so-

The Lore Explained Series pretty much goes in a timeline-like fashion

Scorched happens before Ab, Ab happens before The Island

In chronological order, it goes:
Earth
First half of Scorched
First half of Ab
The Island
Last half of Scorched and Ab at the same time
Extinction

Then we come along, and it's:
The Island
Scorched Earth
Aberration
Extinction
Gen 1
Gen 2

[carmine cedar]

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i totally understand

I watched some videos yesterday that seems like took me in a completely wrong direction

[mental basin]

Ah...

[mental basin]

Well, like I said, I'm here for any questions.

[strange nymph]

Thanks
I'm still watching the survival note videos, as i can't seem to get any free time without anyone bothering me, so I'm going kinda slow.
||But the warrior guy and the Japanese woman from the island both die, then the story continues on scorched earth with 2 more "main characters" introduced, then we get the 2 scientist end up on different arks, right? As far as i understand||
Nvm I'm dumb

[low briar]

I think Ab is more broken into three parts
Just a normal Ark
Oh shit, everything is breaking ft. Mei (Same time as Scorched 2 Sandy Boogaloo)
Oh shit, everything is breaking ft. Helenawell

[lyric tendon]

Pt 1: Just ARK
Pt 2: ARK broke
Pt 3: Mei ||Wick||

[buoyant niche]

Bob is a god

[lyric tendon]

bob dont have gcm

[bold dove]

Tell that to admins.
Bob's are gods

[sick canyon]

[bold dove]

Mei is just the player of the notes, while the rest are NPC's

[sick canyon]

[bold dove]

She fell in love with a sapient AI called 'Diana'

[strange nymph]

Aw
I finished the last video too

Btw, is there any theorizing in the ark story or all of it is written?

[low briar]

Only things written are the few hundred notes we find in game. Everything else is theorized and conjectured

[brazen sparrow]

Well, that and the AMAs and various other (official) sources 😅

[mental basin]

A lot of it is written, but some stuff like dates aren't mentioned.

[gusty turret]

I also consider extinction sanctuary banners canon

Although that creates more questions than anything

[brazen sparrow]

They were removed and thus cannot be found in game any longer, but yes they are definitely canon (I think they were removed just incase the new DLCs messed with that lore? But then it didn't? Idk honestly, I miss them being there though)

[valid gale]

||mass murder||

[compact zenith]

[strange nymph]

So what happens after genesis 2?
Bob just floats in outer space til the end of time?
I don't get the whole Santiago thing, so I won't even ask about that, but what happens to the main character after the ship explodes? (I guess there's no concrete story until ark 2, but are there any theories?)

[lament raft]

you crash on the planet

then i'm guessing your character in ark 2 is supposed to be your character from ark 1

a few years later while the survivors of the ship are building a new civilization on an alien planet

[strange nymph]

So earth just goes on to live after the arks return there
And the main characters and the ones on the ship end up on a random planet?
Then the respawn is also gone, right?

[lament raft]

we'll have to see

the Arks landed and began their reseed protocol to clear the element out and restart life on earth

meanwhile the Genesis ship was traveling the galaxy looking for a new place for humans to live

[strange nymph]

If I had to guess you have to make it back to earth in ark 2
I mean that would make the most sense to me
Or just kill Rockwell a couple of times again

[lament raft]

probably not. Ark 2 seems to focus more on the humans just trying to survive an alien planet

it seems to focus more on the primitive side of things

[strange nymph]

Oh yeah
Element is gone, i kinda forgot

[gusty turret]

Its not necessarily gone

Assuming the stryders didn't clean every single inch of soil in the eden ring

[lament raft]

the corruption is removed

[gusty turret]

We'll probably find out what happens to earth in the dlcs they're gonna release for Ark Survival Ascended, hopefully at least

[lament raft]

the malevolent quasi-intelligence that created the titans is gone

[gusty turret]

That is wishful thinking

[lament raft]

as far as we've been shown

[gusty turret]

We still know very little about element as a whole to be able to say for sure

And we also know element is spread across space from Genesis 2

Although a lot of its spread is probably chilled out over time as the universe settles and the amount of space debris hurtling through space decreases

[lament raft]

we don't know if the corruption is inherent in element or was put into it by humans being humans

[rain dock]

Element?

[lament raft]

the corruption

there's Element, the element we know and use to make tek gear, and corruption, the unseen force that made the titans and spread element throughout earth's crust

[rain dock]

As far as I am aware, that's just from element

[lament raft]

afaik you can have element without the corruption

[rain dock]

I am not convinced about that

Particularly with the direction ark2 is taking

[gusty turret]

But we still know a very small amount about element because thats just how its designed

I imagine its like the symbiote from marvel tbh

It displays a lot of identical properties

[brazen sparrow]

It's actually heavily based on a similar thing from The Expanse, but there's definitely still element in the soil of the surviving ring, otherwise the tek stryders would've been decommissioned one would think

[lament raft]

there's a parallel from another scifi series but I can't remember where from

[brazen sparrow]

And as far as this, no, you don't crash on the planet, the exo-mek you're in docks with the ring

[lament raft]

does it reach the ring?

[brazen sparrow]

It says as much in the cutscene

[lament raft]

i remember in the cutscene we just fall toward the planet and then boom, vin diesel naked

[brazen sparrow]

Might need to give it a rewatch, then

Look at the top of the screen near the end of the mek sequence

[lament raft]

k, autodock initiated

[brazen sparrow]

Urp

[lament raft]

then fade to black

so it's assumed we dock with the ring, things happen

my main thing with 'crashing' is the pods from the ring do start to crash

especially santiago's

and we are more or less stranded there because genesis ship go boom

[brazen sparrow]

True, but the exo mek supposedly has pretty good movement (and jets of some sort, that we never see)

Also the ring does land eventually, as we've seen in the trailers

So we're not trapped in space forever lol

[lament raft]

i mean, the ring can't go anywhere without the ship

and the ship got fragged

[strange nymph]

I just realized
Is element organic? Or am I just overthinking the wording of the story?

[lament raft]

it can grow organically

or at least seems to

but a lot of the facts of Element are rather vague

[brazen sparrow]

The ring has propulsion lol

Otherwise, how would it have separated?

[lament raft]

basic propulsion is a far cry from actually getting anywhere

the FTL drive was on the ship itself

[brazen sparrow]

You really believe that it needs an FTL drive to land on a planet

[lament raft]

when did I say that?

it had basic propulsion to separate from the ship, and can probably land on the planet

getting anywhere else would take... a ship

i say probably land because instead of landing it jettisons all the pods with survivors while the wreckage of the ship rains down around it

[brazen sparrow]

It was insinuated, "i mean, the ring can't go anywhere without the ship" leads me to believe that the ship is needed for the ring to land, which is false

[lament raft]

ok, let me rephrase. 'the ring can't go anywhere beside the planet it was in orbit around without the ship'

[brazen sparrow]

A fair assumption

[lament raft]

at least not without taking hundreds or thousands of years

[brazen sparrow]

We still don't know exactly what kind of power that thing is packing, but more than likely not enough for interstellar travel to be sure

[lament raft]

at any rate, we know the survivors of the genesis ship are stranded on an alien world with the most barebones technology, and fight off aliens and dinosaurs

[brazen sparrow]

Probably safe to say the ring most likely can't even escape orbit

[lament raft]

if it's still there

my guess is it crashed

[brazen sparrow]

Well, yeah

At some indeterminate point it does indeed crash, as stated the trailers show us that much

[lament raft]

my thought is it crashed not long after the teaser cutscene

otherwise why would it be ejecting the survivor pods while the wreckage of Genesis rains down around it

[strange nymph]

It could be more that that
If there was any element on the ship, it could start spreading again
Or they could recicle the broken down ship

[brazen sparrow]

To begin colonization? Why else? But I think there's something more to it crashing, as we know it comes into a stable orbit and I smell either sabotage or a calamity of some sort such as a meteor hitting it

[lament raft]

or the wreckage of Genesis crashing into it

the ring does kinda crash through the solar arrays before the ship falls apart

[brazen sparrow]

Which are probably some future-y poly glass uber light material that also has it's own wifi

[lament raft]

it still had the wreckage of genesis coming down around it

[brazen sparrow]

The rest of the ship is not close enough to effect the ring, plus it kinda exploded into little bits

[kind sun]

wasn't element the cause of extinction? why are we capable of handling element tiered items without damaging ourselves since element was consuming everything (its been a while since I was in the lore but the question came randomly)

[brazen sparrow]

Yes, but no. It's complicated

[kind sun]

is there any explanation

[lament raft]

there is the corruption within 'wild' element, like what twisted Rockwell and made the titans

then there is 'purified' element, which is used to build tek shit

note that neither of those are official terms, i'm just using them to establish general ideas about the different types

the corruption isn't every fully fleshed out in detail. it could be inherent in element itself, or a byproduct of humans taking element and using it for war things

[bold dove]

Element goes into a rogue state due to unknown means (in-universe theories are either that it's its real form, malice from the tek-war, and I believe another one I forgor)
But either way, it goes into a rogue state and goes 'Corrupted'
Corruption is lethal and harmful, while Element itself is fine.

[lament raft]

raw liquid element is pretty bad

like on aberration

[bold dove]

It's bad cause it's like swimming in acid.
It isn't malice though.

[lament raft]

also mutating radiation

[bold dove]

Yes, and so it's environmentally bad.
But it's Corruption that has actual malice to kill.

[lament raft]

yeah

hence the corrupted things and the titans

[bold dove]

Genesis-2 shows that Element can be worked with safely.

[lament raft]

the Corruption itself is what drove Rockwell insane

in his notes he mentions that it talks to him

[bold dove]

Well, that and his desire for immortality.

[lament raft]

one probably led to the other

[rain dock]

The origin of corruption isn't very well hashed out in ark1 lore

[bold dove]

There's a theory that Element enhances whatever it touches.
And Corruption, being a byproduct of Element, does the same thing, but in a twisted way.
It's why Helena and Mei where fine from it, cause they had no malice desires.
But it took Rockwell's greed up to 100%, and enhanced it.

[bold dove]

That's cause it's suppose to be left for the player to decide.
Homo-Deus Helena gives some theories, but even she doesn't actually know.

[rain dock]

I don't buy that theory, again because of the direction ark2 is going

[rain dock]

So far yes. I think it'll be more developed in ark2

[bold dove]

What direction is that?

[rain dock]

That element = bad

[lament raft]

we haven't seen a lot about ark 2

[bold dove]

Riiiiight.
Which would be lame if that's the case.

[lament raft]

i don't think i've seen anything about element in the trailer

[rain dock]

It's more the hints they have given. There is nothing concrete

[bold dove]

Personally, I like the idea that it was war that caused it to go rogue.
It acts more of a warning of wars then 'space-rock bad'

[rain dock]

I think the word they used was that it is sinister

The war obviously caused it to spread

[bold dove]

Which the original idea of Corruption is inspired by oil pollution, with Marc envision of the original story.

[rain dock]

But it doesn't make sense that a bomb going off enables an alien substance to create the titans.

[lament raft]

either that's how element works and humanity only helped it, or humanity caused the corruption by using it to kill each other

[bold dove]

Self defense of it being constantly burned

[rain dock]

That ability has to already have been inherent in element

[bold dove]

Or, the fact that one side could've tried to use Element as a bio-weapon, and that bio-weapon created the Corruption

[rain dock]

Out of what

[bold dove]

Out of Element

[kind sun]

i mean can it be argued that element has some sort of mind of its own

[rain dock]

That's the point I am sort of making

[bold dove]

Element has no mind, but it is alive, if I recall
Corruption though has a hivemind, and is more of a 'awakened state' for Element

[bold dove]

Right, but my issue is "is something bad if it's being used in a war and adapted to become better used in a war"
If Oil was alive, would oil be the thing killing the planet, or humans?
It's kind of the argument of 'does a gun kill someone, or the person responsible for firing it?'

[rain dock]

It is not the same argument, because guns are not alive.

If element was not alive then it would have no ability to create the titans out of nothing. So that argument isn't really valid

[kind sun]

so if element can organically grow can it be some kind of a malfunction in growing which corrupted it

[rain dock]

A dog that bites someone still bit them, even if it got rocks thrown at it before

[kind sun]

kind of like a mutation

[bold dove]

It does grow

[bold dove]

Correct, but does that make the dog bad for self defense?
Of course you should also defend yourself and kill said dog if it attacks you, but it was still provoked to do so.

[rain dock]

Bad for human the person it bit. I think that is pretty obvious

Inherently bad? No. But that doesn't really play into consideration

[bold dove]

Correct, but it's a hivemind species.
So if two sides of the world biggest factions are using it/burning it, and it feels threatened.
It's not going to understand that it's being used by a culture/nation, it'll most likely see being burned by a human.
And if two of the biggest human-based factions are doing this, then it could without thinking much about it come to the conclusion that all humans are bad.

It also depends how common using Element was for every day citizens.

[rain dock]

So the issue is then is it actually intelligent or not. If it is and is actively trying to colonize other planets or it it reacts only.

Either way it is not friendly to humans and from a human perspective is bad.

Is it virus bad, or intelligently bad is the only issue I ser

[bold dove]

Correct, but my issue is Wildcard are making it out to be a black-and-white situation, which it very well could be, but at the same time could be more to it.

[rain dock]

Wildcard throughout the story have not given anything a black and white situation lol. They best they have gotten is that everything is a dark gray lol

[bold dove]

I mean in the ARK-2 storepage.

The direction ARK-2 is going is 'tek = bad, tribes = good'

[kind sun]

Didn't it not only corrupt humans, but animals too?

[rain dock]

Aside from humans and dinosaurs invading and decimating a planet

From a human perspective, other humans that are friendly are good. That doesn't make them generally good

[bold dove]

Which so far, is acting as pro-human in the storepage.

[rain dock]

I mean we play as a human...

[bold dove]

And?

[rain dock]

It would make sense of that perspective is the most obvious

[bold dove]

Not for a storyline of us colonizing another planet, while killing their locals.

[strange nymph]

Didn't the element just destroy the planet and make it unfit for life?
I didn't know it actually infected people

[rain dock]

I mean, that part is already mentioned in the storepage

[rain dock]

Rockwell be like

[bold dove]

Did you never play Extinction?

[strange nymph]

No, i did not

I only played on the island so far

[bold dove]

Look up 'ARK corrupted creatures'

[strange nymph]

That's exactly the reason why I believed it didn't infect people
Because as far as i knew there weren't any other monsters around like him

[bold dove]

He is infected

[rain dock]

Rockwell is a person, just him existing means it infects people

[bold dove]

It changes you differing on process of it doing so

Direct injection of raw-element will transform you into a blob-like monster, most likely different on your environment.
Corruption will decay your skin and take you over via airborne spores.

[mental basin]

It's whatever it wants to be, honestly.

[bold dove]

Basically.
It's everything

Organic, gas, mineral, your personal best-friend, etc.

[mental basin]

It's in liquid and ore form on Ab, a sort of organic tendril on Extinction, a kind of ingot THING as received on the ARKs.

Though Helena in Homo Deus form theorized that it spread to Earth like an interstellar pollen.

Which... was later confirmed by the first writer.

[bold dove]

I believe it's more metallic on Extinction.
At least in-game, it's the metal sound when you hit it.

But that could be a Wildcard moment

[mental basin]

It's a homogeneous tendril of everything.

The Nodes are organic, but they contain a homogeneous buffet of everything Element inside.

[bold dove]

Fair.
Weird-fucking-alien-akame-thingy-that-turns-into-gas-and-liquds.

[mental basin]

Remove Cyborg and you've got it.

[bold dove]

It's just like me, fr fr

[mental basin]

Note: Makes good flu vaccine.

[mental basin]

• Rockwell, HLN-A and seemingly Helena have all been put to rest
• Our Exo-Mek docks back onto the Eden Ring
• The Eden Ring wakes the colonists from the Cryosleep within Genesis, and launches them onto Arat
• Santiago is one of those colonists

Note that Arat is the name of the alien planet.

And this Santiago isn't the same Santiago from Aberration-Extinction. It's a clone of the original.

[strange nymph]

Oooo, I'm dumb
One of the survival notes even says you can't go near the liquid element without the armour
I guess they had to have experiences with it to have that conclusion

[mental basin]

iirc it's radiative.

Yeah, I remember. The liquid Element on Aberration is highly radioactive.

[bold dove]

I don't think confirmed, but it does heavily imply it.

[strange nymph]

I was under the complete wrong impression
I thought the element couldn't "infect" you unless you consumed it in any way. Like injecting it or the dinos eating infected ||things|| plants and other infected animals

[mental basin]

Nope, it's radioactive.

[bold dove]

But I may be incorrect that it was flatout confirmed

[mental basin]

What do you mean by 'infected'?

[bold dove]

To a degree, that's correct.
But Corruption can infect you without direct contact/injection, which Corruption is a byproduct of Element

[gusty turret]

Cough cough rings of power cough cough

[mental basin]

Ahhhhh let me explain this really simply

[strange nymph]

If it came on an asteroid, and it may or may not be organic, i thought it made it's way into plants, from there into animals

[bold dove]

That I'm an idiot?

[gusty turret]

Time for the bidaily lore fallout

[bold dove]

I don't this'll be simple

[mental basin]

• Delusion
  Element is almost hypnotic to some, like Rockwell. This sort of 'Element Delirium' SEEMS to be what affected Rockwell on The Island. HLN-A mentions this a few times in her Notes.
• Corruption
  It's what we see all over Extinction. The Corrupted Element has formed Nodes, and seized many Creatures, pretty much Zombifying them. The Titans are made of 100% Corrupted Element, even though they don't look like it.
• Mutation
  This is what happened to Rockwell. Though it's sometimes called Corruption, it's not- it's really something entirely different. Since Rockwell injected himself with liquid Element, he became the mutant monstrosity we see in Aberration and Genesis.

If he were to have gone to Earth and been seized by the Element Corruption, then he really would be Corrupted.

Note: Element and Corrupted Element are two entirely different things.

[bold dove]

AYE!!
I was right about all of those

[mental basin]

@strange nymph, here's your explanation.

[bold dove]

Right, but isn't Corruption a byproduct of Element?
They just don't act anything alike.

[mental basin]

Ten billion points, Corrupted Element is an Element byproduct.

[bold dove]

But of how it's formed is still unknown

Other then theories

[wind rapids]

I think element is like a hivemind creature

[bold dove]

NOO!!
My points. 😭

[wind rapids]

I think it was stated that element it self created the king titan

[strange nymph]

Thanks
I'll chew through it, i'll get in sometime

[lament raft]

a lot is speculative

as has been said, WC has been pretty vague on things

[mental basin]

• Anytime Element is used, small Element Particles are sent into the air.
• Over INSANELY LONG amounts of time, these Particles take root in the soil, and grow Corrupted Element.

[strange nymph]

So how can pure element be obtained?

Because it looks like to me that pure element would be extremely rare, but it's not the case

[lament raft]

pure element is the element you use to make tek gear

[wind rapids]

I believe the source was from a meteor that hit earth

[mental basin]

• The Element War caused mass use of TEK Weapons- New Zealand was literally entirely destroyed.
• This caused the Element Corruption to speed up ridiculously fast
• By the time the URE and Federation started to care, the Corruption was too far-gone
• End of the world

[mental basin]

We don't really know the exact process.

[bold dove]

SteL, even if it isn't canon. What do you think of the theory that Element acted out as self-defense?

[mental basin]

But we know that after Element made it to Earth, people refined it and got pure Element.

[strange nymph]

Yes, but if only a meteor worth of it exists, it shouldn't be flowing through caves like a river
So it has to reproduce itself somehow

[mental basin]

We can also craft it on Aberration, but I think it's kind of an off-brand pure Element. 'Pure Enough Element'.

[wind rapids]

My conspiracy is that element is sentient like a virus and spreads and repopulates itself

[rain dock]

Where in the notes does it distinguish between element and corrupted element

[bold dove]

That's literally what it is

[mental basin]

... You've read the Notes, haven't you? You're nailing almost every point.

[strange nymph]

Or maybe corrupted element can become "pure" by some process?

[mental basin]

Stupid trope imo

[wind rapids]

Honestly I just watch videos explaining the notes lol

[bold dove]

Wouldn't the trope of an alien wanting to kill all life be more of a trope then it acting out of self-defense?

[wind rapids]

This may be a stretch but you guys think element could have been a weapon made by a unown sorce

[mental basin]

I think so, yeah.
On Extinction, Santiago mentions that people harvested Pure Element from the Corrupted Nodes. Though he doesn't call either by name.

[strange nymph]

Probably not
But again, I'm wrong on many things

[mental basin]

We dunno.

I have a feeling we'll find out in ARK II.

[strange nymph]

There will also be a new dlc for ark 1 too, right? Maybe with the remastered

[bold dove]

Like, almost every form of alien-media has the trope of the aliens being bad and wanting to kill everyone, while humans are good.
Personally, find that more of an overdone trope.

[wind rapids]

I just realized something element is much more common then we thought we can run upon element every so often on gen 2 in space perhaps earth is not the first victim of element

[brazen sparrow]

Rockwell corruption is not Earth corruption, don't forget

[mental basin]

We dunno. But yes, we can find Element in space.

[gusty turret]

I liked the theory that the process of containing element has something to do with the aberration gems

[lament raft]

i think there was something in the lore that hinted Rockwell's fall was more or less orchestrated by the corruption

[mental basin]

Note though, DEEP space. We're FAR from home.

[gusty turret]

Like spiderman

[mental basin]

Not the Corruption, the Element Delerium I aforementioned.

Element acting as a siren to Rockwell.

[strange nymph]

That's what I was thinking about since seeing the gen 2 ending
What if the survivors landed on a planet with element? Or if the crashed ship can bring it on the planet

[mental basin]

Though it wasn't Corrupted, Element still has... Corruptive tendencies.

[rain dock]

I mean, my personal theory is Rockwell wanted to go to arat on purpose

I don't think it's just a random planet

[mental basin]

We wouldn't have landed in an Element-infested planet. The Genesis-Ship was looking for a habitable one. And we won't bring and Element Corruption with us- we destroyed that part of the Ship.

[wind rapids]

Rock well was already a ego maniac and had a god complex the element might have known this that might be why he said the element was calling to him

[gusty turret]

Is the launch site named after the planet or the planet named after the launch site

[rain dock]

The genesis ship didn't exactly pick the planet. It blew up

[mental basin]

Planet named after the launch site.

[strange nymph]

I don't think it had much of a choice

[mental basin]

It did, before it was blown up.

[mental basin]

It did... kinda.

[rain dock]

It scanned the planet as it did all the others

[mental basin]

It did, and it decided that Arat would be home. HLN-A states this before the fight against Rockwell Prime.

[wind rapids]

What's stopping element from showing up on arat vea another meteor

[mental basin]

Nothing but chance.

[gusty turret]

Nothing theoretically but realistically the statistically improbable chance another meteor carrying element is present

[wind rapids]

Fair

[strange nymph]

Tbh I don't think they would pull that off
Even just for the story sake
I see it more relevant that the survivors bring it to the planet by accident, but this is just my mind trying to make a story making sense

[gusty turret]

Assuming element has always been present it likely arrived during the formation of the Earth

When there was volatile space material flying everywhere

[mental basin]

Maybe, maybe not. We dunno.

[gusty turret]

I assume the meteor showers on extinction are chunks of the moon rather than space debris from god knows where

[mental basin]

Though an interesting thing to note, iirc Marc pretty much confirmed God's existence in the ARK universe.

[mental basin]

Yes! I'm with you on this one. Element always has been, and always will be the main antagonist- even above Rockwell.

[gusty turret]

Hmmm its almost like we were provided the existence of a god in Genesis 2, with Genesis being a religious name itself 🤔🤔🤔

[mental basin]

Element will make a return in ARK II, we just don't know how yet.

[gusty turret]

We're gonna tek bomb the big spider

[wind rapids]

Some of the meteors are from what was broken apart from aberration that's why rock drakes and reapers can be found on extinction

[gusty turret]

I simply don't think that's true in the slightest

[rain dock]

Genesis is a religious word in English lol. It's origin just means that it is the start of something

[wind rapids]

Ark itself is based on Noah's ark I think that's why they call them orks in the first place

[strange nymph]

It would make sense too
Another Noah's ark

[rain dock]

Based on. No.

[wind rapids]

Lore wise I mean

[rain dock]

Ark is not based on Noahs ark lol.

[mental basin]

It... literally is.

[bold dove]

It is

[rain dock]

It is parallel to the idea

[bold dove]

Same difference.

[rain dock]

And the name references it. But it's not based on

[rain dock]

Big difference.

[mental basin]

Same difference ⁉️ 🗣️

[gusty turret]

So semantics?

[bold dove]

[mental basin]

Yeah Raq is on something rn.

[wind rapids]

Lore wise they call the arks the arks base on Noah's ark

[rain dock]

This is the lore channel. Semantics matter

[gusty turret]

Not to that level

[mental basin]

Helena literally made the connection.

[rain dock]

She made the reference to a parallel story.

[gusty turret]

We all knew what the achievement of the statement comparing the Arks to Noah's Ark is

[mental basin]

I mean, I see where Raq is coming from, but both definitions fit perfectly, there is no reason to squabble.

[bold dove]

Corruption killing all life while the ARK's come back down and restore life is literally like the Great-Flood

[gusty turret]

There's no need to nitpick the statement when everyone knew what was meant

What if Rockwell injecting himself with element is like Adam biting the apple 😳👉👈

[rain dock]

Saying ark is based on Noahs ark is like saying ark is based on the expanse. It has similar features to the story, but ultimately is not based on it

[brazen sparrow]

[bold dove]

Like, yeah.
Marc flat out stated he used the protomelecule as a reference for Corruption and Element

[brazen sparrow]

I don't know why I even pop in here any more lmao

[wind rapids]

The game itself is not base on Noah's ark but the arks in-game story wise are

[rain dock]

Reference yes. That doesn't mean it's based on it

[gusty turret]

Homie why are you still on this we've clarified multiple times

[bold dove]

@mental basin Am I the only one having a '...' moment right now?

[gusty turret]

Let it go

[wind rapids]

Ok next topic

[rain dock]

When in the future people leave earth in a spaceship they might call it an ark, that doesn't mean them leaving the planet is based on the Noahs ark story

[gusty turret]

Dude

[strange nymph]

Yeah, reference, even inspired is a better word to describe it than that it's based on it

[bold dove]

Fuck it, the Bible is based off of ARK: Survival Evolved.
There, lets move on

[wind rapids]

Lol

[gusty turret]

I can't believe they made a book about a greasy carpenter based on Ark no way

[wind rapids]

Any theorys on ark 2s story

[rain dock]

None that are really viable

[gusty turret]

Vin Diesel

He hits things

[rain dock]

Plenty of hypothesis, but no real theories

[gusty turret]

He really doesn't like being alive anymore

[bold dove]

Hopefully he's the villain

[gusty turret]

I fully expect them to villanize the natives

[bold dove]

Sadly

[rain dock]

Why?

[gusty turret]

Because its the American style

[rain dock]

And?

[strange nymph]

I still think we will have to try and make it back to earth
Rockwell is done, after a finishing like that i don't think they will bring him back again

[rain dock]

I think Rockwell in the genesis - > ark2 story is done.

He'll probably show up in the future Asa story though

[mental basin]

No reason to go back to Earth. We have Arat.

[rain dock]

Asa is a thing

[mental basin]

He's asking about ARK II.

[rain dock]

And I doubt they are going to have the next Asa dlc be based in the ruins of the genesis ship

[wind rapids]

Actually what is the new dlc gunna be about is it a another ark or as rag said about the rest of the genisis ship

[gusty turret]

Hopefully its arat prime

[rain dock]

I wasn't responding to the question...

[mental basin]

Arat Prime.

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i get what you are going for
They either make a new villain, since bringing back Rockwell isn't really an option (i think), or make a big project as a goal

[gusty turret]

Maybe it'll just be survive

[mental basin]

I think the villain is going to be Element. Literally JUST Element, based on the Steam page.

Anyways, phone is dead. See ya.

[rain dock]

I mean, I doubt it since the confirmed that they aren't going a full survival direction

[strange nymph]

That would effectively be a degrade after the story of ark 1
They pretty much have to make a story, and increase the scope too. It's just how sequels work

[gusty turret]

They're gonna do a Fortnite crossover

[wind rapids]

The only way I see rockwell coming back is mabye like a chunk of him survived the explosion and landed on arat but that seems extremely unlikely but still a probability

[gusty turret]

There was no chunk surviving

[strange nymph]

I really hope they don't pull a star wars

[gusty turret]

It would burn up in the atmosphere even if it did survive his central nervous system imploding

[wind rapids]

Same

[rain dock]

I mean to answer that question we would need details about how he ended up on the ship in the first place. Because he was on ab, which landed on earth waaaay after the genesis ship launched

[gusty turret]

I mean maybe he's still in the simulation?

[rain dock]

The simulation was on the genesis ship.

[wind rapids]

The lore said he some how followed Helena via a teleporter

[strange nymph]

But the simulation is done for too

[gusty turret]

The simulation was also on the ring itself

Hence why Nida could just plug in

[rain dock]

The ring was in the ship... It doesn't answer how he got there in the first place

[gusty turret]

The rings were around the ship

Semantics, remember

[strange nymph]

Pretty much like us
Beat the simulation, take form on the ship

[wind rapids]

I remember something saying he got there the same way Helena got there

[gusty turret]

He didn't beat the simulation

[rain dock]

Helena wasn't there.

[gusty turret]

He subsumed the simulation

[rain dock]

Helena is gone to wherever the other homodeus are

Hlna is not Helena even if it does have some of her memories

[wind rapids]

Her homodeus was actively trying to undo Rockwell's hacking in the simulation

[gusty turret]

Technically we have no idea where Helena is

[rain dock]

We also have no idea where the rest of the homodeus are either

[gusty turret]

I remember her saying she had no desire to leave Earth/she couldn't leave Earth

Whether she still exists on Earth or not by the time of the Gen 2 ending we have no way to say, though HLNA saying "she knew" does sound fishy

[wind rapids]

Helena had some memories in The opening cut scene to extinction she starts to remember what happened to her before she ascended

[gusty turret]

Helena is Helena and has Helena memories

HLNA is not Helena but has some Helena memories

[wind rapids]

And she made HLNA for us and HLNA was on the Genesis ship so she must of gotten there some

[rain dock]

The homodeus Helena is pretty different from normal Helena though lol

[strange nymph]

I still don't get the full story of Helena after ab and how did hln-a came to be

[rain dock]

That much is apparent from the gen2 notes talking about how different the homodeus are

[wind rapids]

On extinction when exploring the forest titan cave she found a pod that ascended her that's how she became a homodeus

[rain dock]

That's kind of my point. There is no actual detail about anything that occurred between exts ending and the start of genesis

[gusty turret]

Helena puts rock in her implant goes comatose, hall of ascension, ascends, leads Mei and Diana to Arat prime where they open the uplink to the ship and an unknown/unconfirmed plot happens between there and gen 1

[rain dock]

Either that will come in the next Asa dlc, or in the first ark2 dlc

[gusty turret]

Also depending on if you take the gen 1 teaser to be canon or not

[strange nymph]

Anyway, that will be a future me's problem to Google
Its 3:17am here, gn

[wind rapids]

Night

[rain dock]

Don't Google it lol. You'll want to actually read the notes. They aren't all on Google yet

[gusty turret]

Prettty sure they're all on the wiki

[rain dock]

Where lol

[gusty turret]

On the explorer notes page?

[rain dock]

On ark wiki or the Fandom one

[gusty turret]

The ark wiki

[rain dock]

The links on the ark wiki for at least a number of the genesis 2 notes are broken

[wind rapids]

Nedythenoodle a YouTuber has done a great job explaining the notes through story I suggest people watch it it's only just at the ending aberration but it's super interesting

[rain dock]

Unless someone outside made a compendium of the notes that I haven't seen, the best place to see all the notes is still in game

[brazen sparrow]

The wiki works fine...

[rain dock]

It didn't when I looked at it 3 minutes ago.

[gusty turret]

I appear to be having issues too

They changed it, used to it worked perfectly fine and they were all there

[wind rapids]

Look up ark complete survival story by neddythenoodle he has a great series on the story

[brazen sparrow]

Someone must've literally just messed it up then, probably a troll or something

[rain dock]

... The genesis 2 notes haven't been on at all lol

[gusty turret]

They 100000% used to be

[rain dock]

When

[gusty turret]

I dunno i just know i used it on various occasions and it was working

[rain dock]

Everytime I have looked for the last 6 months they haven't been

[gusty turret]

Used to there was a button that said [show] you could click on that would open a dropdown box of notes now theres just a little imbed link symbol that doesn't do anything when clicked

[rain dock]

It changes they url

Like I said, it's a broken link

[brazen sparrow]

They worked just the other day, someone must've trolled and changed all of them and now they're protected articles (which means they'll be reverted eventually, when an admin or authorized user can fix them)

[quaint marsh]

Can confirm that they worked, a few months ago at least

[strange nymph]

Hey
Just a question
Is wearing armour made of element enough to start a corruption process? Or is refining it lessens the corrupting ability it has?

[bold dove]

Nah, you need literal decades of non-stop planetary warfare for it to start doing anything worrying.

[strange nymph]

Just because to me it seems like Rockwell after getting into an element suit became even crazier, that he was before.
But it might just be him getting too excited or something

[bold dove]

That's exactly what it was.

[mental basin]

Rockwell hated the suit though.

[bold dove]

He was obsessed with anything tek-based since it was made out of Element.

[bold dove]

Didn't he hate how tanky it felt?

But still was interested in the general technology.

[mental basin]

He hated the TEK Suit in general, probably because he was jealous, seeing it on Mei and the other villagers.

So he wasn't affected in any way.

[strange nymph]

I believe he even said it's unnecessary and bulky
Can't remember the exact words

[mental basin]

If anything, it just made him kinda pissy.

But that's got nothing to do with Element.

That's just a Rockwell being pissy moment.

[bold dove]

Rockwell is just jealous they made his favorite mineral into a fancy suit.

[strange nymph]

Oh yeah and the other thing
Rockwell on scorched earth said the regular furnace couldn't get hot enough to melt element
So on ab the molten element was unbelievably hot too as far as i understand

[mental basin]

Very.

[bold dove]

By the way Stel, do you think I'm a idiot with the lore?

[mental basin]

No, you just jump to assumptions and have a habit of overfeeding. But for the most part you've got it all down.

[bold dove]

I'm old-boy lore.
I keep forgetting a lot of things have been confirmed with Element, and it isn't mostly just theories at this point.

[strange nymph]

That makes me question a lot of things about how he was able to mix it with blood, or even just inject it, but i guess that's just because I paid too much attention in biology classes

[mental basin]

You don't really need to question stuff like that honestly.

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i do tend to compare it to the real world too much
Ask a whole lot of unnecessary questions and just confuse myself into making the wrong assumptions

[mental basin]

You're fine

[rain dock]

I mean element could be a wierd substance that melts at a very high temperature and then stays liquid even when it cools. There are a couple of those that exist

Wikipedia sources the substance agar as one such material. Interestingly though, pure (atomical) elements don't really have different melting points to freezing points, which kind of further demonstrates that element is a compound of some sort

[mental basin]

Rockwell describes it as molten

[rain dock]

Water is molten.

[main mural]

molten is used when something isn't a liquid at room temperature so water isn't molten

thats in a science setting btw. the actual word just means liquefied by heat.

[rain dock]

I mean, everything is liquified by heat

[main mural]

yeah, thats why they don't use it like that in science lol

and you can liquefy by pressure as well

[rain dock]

That generates heat

[main mural]

not enough to melt things. there are pressure/temperature charts you can look up for more info.

[rain dock]

I know

[main mural]

its the same reason we have a liquid mantle but a solid core.

[rain dock]

I am not an expert at thermodynamics, but I know the basic principles

[main mural]

pressure messes with the phases of matter.

[rain dock]

Yes. But that doesn't apply in the case of element because the areas where element was molten was not highly pressurized

[main mural]

yeah, it just matters if its actually hot or not. pretty sure its cold down there

so its more then likely something else not heat melting it

[rain dock]

Unless element has a special type of crystalline structure

Then if could have the property of melting at a different temperature than it freezes

[main mural]

thats most likely, still not heat tho. its just a different form. like how carbon can be a billion different things lol

[rain dock]

What

Literally almost everything has a crystal structure, some just have different properties

[main mural]

different structure bonds of carbon make it different. so thats probably why the element is liquid at whatever temperature it is.

thats what I just said lol

[rain dock]

It's not something special to carbon

[main mural]

I never said it was

[rain dock]

Maybe I misread that

It could also have something to do with radiation. Element is only molten in areas with lots of radiation

[main mural]

could be heat from absorbing radiation

[rain dock]

I mean, if you want to call it that

[bold dove]

I don't recall wood becoming liquid.

[rain dock]

Heat it up and don't let it burn and you will

[main mural]

because its carbon, probably can't melt at our pressure.

[bold dove]

"The physical structure of wood is destroyed in the process, and the resulting material cannot return to the original matter. As a result of the chemical, irreversible breakdown of its components, wood does not melt."

[rain dock]

🤣

[bold dove]

"No. Wood is mostly cellulose, lignin and water. If you heat wood, the water boils away first and then the lignin and cellulose (both long-chain organic molecules) will react with oxygen and burn."

I'm pretty sure you can't melt wood

[main mural]

what if you do it in a vacuum

[rain dock]

Wood kind of doesn't really exist at an atomic level either

[main mural]

cellulose would be the compound.

and a google says that does melt

[bold dove]

Someone experimented with this

It just burn in individual spots, instead of combusting.

So no, not 'everything' can melt.

[main mural]

the reason wood can't melt is because it breaks down. the things in wood, in the proper situations can melt.

[bold dove]

Like what situations?

[main mural]

different for each thing. they all have different melting points.

[rain dock]

Element is not wood confirmed

[bold dove]

Okay, so what's woods situation?

[main mural]

wood breaks down before melting.

[bold dove]

So it can't melt.

[main mural]

all elements and compounds can melt 🤷 thats what "everything" means lol

[rain dock]

If you leave wood laying down for 10000 years, and speed up the fotage it'll look like it melted