lore-nerdz

[valid gale]

hey hehy hey

im not anit humen

[bold dove]

The fuck is a anit-humen?

[valid gale]

can you hinestly tell me that if you sat the world leaders down in that situation that not one of them would suget destroying earth as a last resort in that kinda if we cant havee it no one can?

not one person?

[bold dove]

You're making it out that powerhungry fucktards represent humanity as a whole.

[valid gale]

oh god no

sorry if thats the imperation i was giving no

humanity on balance are good people

[bold dove]

Humanity isn't going to destroy the planet.
It's the powerhungry egocentric fucktards that knew how to slither to become world-leader that will.

[valid gale]

i jsut thin that postisions of powerlend them selves to people workign with out morals

[bold dove]

It all comes down that 'politics' will destroy the planet, not humanity.

[valid gale]

that or someone somewhere being really dumb or making one really big mistake

[bold dove]

Which would still be a individual issue, not the whole species at fault.

[valid gale]

yes

[bold dove]

I for one love humanity, cause I know the good we can do if we weren't conditioned to poor environments due to leaders who couldn't care.

[valid gale]

you seen the people who compare humanity to a virius

load of rubish

[bold dove]

Which those people are dumb.
Humanity isn't a virus, it's a entity like any other that is sick with a few handful of viruses that make it look bad.

[valid gale]

yes

[gusty turret]

I mean that is kinda what we elect them to do....

[valid gale]

ok im outa here

i come here for sweet ark lore not real polotics

[bold dove]

Elections are only in around half of the countries in the world if I recall, and you can't tell me without a straight face that they're not rigged.

[valid gale]

bye chaps

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah most of them definitely are

But it is just kinda the position they're allowed to have, representing humanity as a whole

We may not like the boat we're in but theres no life jackets so

[bold dove]

A: They don't represent humanity you dummy, they represent their country.
B: Politicians are great at lying and manipulating, hints how we can be tricked into voting them into power with them promising good fortune, but go behind our backs.
We didn't design this lifeboat, 200+ year old dead people did, and now we're stuck with this.

[gusty turret]

Yeah like i said theres no life jackets

It's like the titanic except they had life jackets

And our iceberg is entirely avoidable if anyone actually cared

I mean that was kinda the ship

They just bailed

[gusty turret]

Pixark is canon isn't it

[lyric tendon]

sadly yes Gen 1 and Dino Discovery cited PixARK

[gusty turret]

Whys that sadly pixark is awesome

[bold dove]

PixARK is.....questionable.

[gusty turret]

They had to have entertainment too It'd be weirder if pixark wasn't canon

Its just arks version of Minecraft 😭

Im salty they put more in pixark than they did actual ark

Like special biome variants for all kinds of dinos, fireflies you could keep as pets, slimes zombies goblins all kinds of stuff

A u t o m a t i o n

Ark was heavily missing automation

We can build something that quite literally disassembles molecules and reconstructs them in a different location but we can't make a basic robotic arm

[bold dove]

It would be cool to allow cybernetic in ARK.

[gusty turret]

Yknow i wonder how the note writers did it, camping out every night, i heard camping is really in-tents

ba dum tiss

[bronze turtle]

did the genesis biomes used to all have master AI's?

[bold dove]

Yes

[vital plume]

How big was the colony ship in gen 2? since I'm curious since just putting not even 25% of it being converted to rockwell would should how massive he was

[lyric tendon]

bigger than the ARKs but smaller than a gas planet

[vital plume]

you know how broad that is xd

[lyric tendon]

because the scale is not mentioned in the notes and game model comparisons are unreliable, same with KT size in lore/dossier being bigger than in game

[lament raft]

you can make estimates based on in game measurements

[lyric tendon]

like i just said... unreliable

[lament raft]

probably yeah

but best you can do unless WC releases one of those books like star wars does where it breaks down components and details of various ships/vehicles

[bronze turtle]

How tall are Mek’s in meters?

[lament raft]

no hard numbers given i think

[lyric tendon]

the dossier doesn't give much info aside from random C++ coding

[lament raft]

yeah

[vital plume]

You could use in game scaling maybe

Seeing we know the cannon height to rexes Gigas and the Titans

[brazen sparrow]

There's measurements out there, but I'm too lazy and tired to find them, they do exist though

[lament raft]

i think some of the dossiers have general numbers

the Liop's dossier says it's between 20 and 25 meters

and mosa is said to be 50 meters long

[quaint marsh]

Ark metres are based

[ornate hull]

It's not 100% but if you take ingame modles it's around the same length as the usa so about 3000 miles

But that's just mostly eyeballing it so around that

[gusty turret]

Wildcard should release a book tbh

[lyric tendon]

just RIP the notes and book bind it yourself TBH (and yes the dossiers do exist)

plus we already have Youtubers that predates Ned when comes to Audiobook the Explorer Notes

[mental basin]

Arat Prime

[sick canyon]

Prime Arat

[brazen sparrow]

Primed a Rat

[gusty turret]

How does that work

[lyric tendon]

you don't wonna know

[brazen sparrow]

You know, like, you prime it

Bro what

Oh, well I guess we can't say that either

Anyways, it's like when you hold your cat as a gun, you "rooster" it then pew pew, kinda like that, but with a rat (apparently the word for that thing you do with guns sometimes that happens to also be another word for male reproductive organ is not allowed)

But instead of a gun, the rat is a nade, so you prime it

[quaint marsh]

🫡

[gusty turret]

Okay but like guide me through the priming process

Do you set its tail on fire?

[brazen sparrow]

Nah, you just, uh... idk, wind up it's tail like a monkey bomb, or something?

Give him a headpat, maybe?

[gusty turret]

I liked my idea better

[gusty turret]

Ngl i do think a Mei Helena romance would've went with the story better since theyd known each other longer

[bold dove]

Fuck no

Especially now that AS Helena had a wife

[gusty turret]

Oh hey we can react again

[bold dove]

Oh, you just said that then I could be dumbfounded.

[lament raft]

Mei/Diana works just as well I think. they had time together and spent a lot of time together teaching Mei about stuff like tek armor. a lot of Mei and Helena's time together was either Mei glaring at her, Helena looking through dino poop, and then suckerpunch

[swift gale]

This tbh

[lyric tendon]

Plus they are split when transferred off of the island, so there is no way they have time to get to know each other

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, Mei lives almost the entire time that Helena and Rockwell are on Scorched, with Diana. It would make no sense if Helena and Mei got together instead as that's simply not how that works. Mei and Diana spent probably more time on Ab then Helena and Diana did on The Island, but idk the exact time frames so I can't say for sure, but for a woman from the 18th century to learn how to use 23rd/4th century tech(k?) would take a long while, methinks

[lament raft]

I think Mei is from even earlier than that

From about 200BCE

[brazen sparrow]

Idk, I just know she's from the medieval era roughly, I don't really know exactly how centuries work lmao

[gusty turret]

Diana on the island confirmed

The thing is how do we know the structural decay on the island=hundreds of years and not thousands of years or longer, we know how good Roman concrete is, to still be in amazing condition after thousands of years

The timeline for ark is basically non-existent

[quaint marsh]

On the Island, Mei spent most time without Helena, fighting the New Legion and looking after her creatures. Helena kinda just, visited from time to time to study. Later she enlisted Mei to help her with a boss, but it was still kind of mercenary like. They did become friends, somewhat, but at the end Mei even said "I'm not even sure we were friends." (End of Island)

[pallid aurora]

helena hottie tho NGL

[quaint marsh]

So yeah, it's safe to assume that she spent way more time with Diana

Also, I don't think AS relationships should be taken into account, from the trailer I feel safe in assuming that it can be called a different canon... up to oneself of course, but we will most likely see some segregation in #lore-nerdz due to this.

[pallid aurora]

Man go touch some grass tho.

[quaint marsh]

it's covered in snow though

don't wanna freeze my fingies

[pallid aurora]

seems like a you problem to me

i just touched some delicious grass

[quaint marsh]

Then you would understand that "touching grass" unfortunately does not solve severe nerdiness

[wary ruin]

Nah helena probably wouldn't be over the loss of her wife

seeming it looks like that played a part in her death in the animated trailer

[mental basin]

Arat Prime...

I'm actually a bit scared of what this DLC could imply for Mei and Diana.

Either their story ends here, or they make it onto the Genesis-Ship in the end.

I'm hoping that the fact that we don't hear from them in Genesis is just to keep their return under wraps, and not something horrible.

[lyric tendon]

that writer better understand the lore first 4 maps, i'd be hella pissed if one character decided to be out of character (coughGen2"santiago"uncough)

[mental basin]

Man are people STILL on San2iago

[lyric tendon]

it's a self insert

[mental basin]

I disagree.

But what we can agree on is the thankfulness we have for Fries not making him fall in love with Uma, as he had drafted.

That's where I draw the line.

[lyric tendon]

better add that to your ice berg

[mental basin]

Maybe, maybe.

[compact gale]

what sorta story you think would work even for the new asa dlc tho

[lyric tendon]

We are all agree is seeded earth between Ext and Gen 1

[compact gale]

my only idea involves a new ark we havent seen yet, we play around its landing site and within it

they do have precedent of making larger and larger maps

[tender wasp]

No idea but I would love to find some more snippets about the past and the war that lead to all.

[compact gale]

so we can easily see a map incorporate multiple new arks as biomes

gen2 could probably fit several islands

[compact gale]

maybe a new city unlike sanctuary

or maybe we drop next to arat prime idk

[tender wasp]

or at least some more decayed ruins at a part of the map we can explore or maybe able to visit parts of the crashed Abs Ark now abandoned by Eddie.

[compact gale]

yeha

i dont know if theyll have time or desire to add these tidbits tho

or actually

ue5 should make some of these additions easier

maybe we can see more impressive holograms like on extinction

[tender wasp]

That would be neat.

[gusty turret]

They could do a map with basically every ark and just do whatever no mans sky does to keep its game size so small

[compact gale]

nms has very little design in each map since its all random

[gusty turret]

Because wildcard totally puts so much effort into 90% of their maps and doesn't just brush filler crap around and copy paste terrain everywhere

The main maps that look good are the ones they didn't even make

[lyric tendon]

Me, found a void hole in the ice cave on Lost Island

My tribemates got stuck in a wyvern nest on Valguero

[bold dove]

Ah yes, I do love the mod-creator who made Genesis-1.

When I feel dumb about my own takes, I look at dava's messages and realize "it could be worse"

[waxen flame]

[bold dove]

No 🔥

[gusty turret]

How can anyone say with a straight face that the non-story maps aren't all better designed than the story maps

[bold dove]

They're literally just fucking remade Islands.
Not to diss their work, but they look fucking generic as all balls, just like The-Island.
Only exception is Fjordur's realms.

If you go to the volcanic biome in Gen1, and can't tell me that shit looks badass. Then you're lying to not just us, but yourself.

[gusty turret]

Every map that is on an Ark is a remade island, that is kinda the point

[bold dove]

Not at all.
Aberration represents nothing of The-Island

The-Center: just a reorganized Island.
Val: The-Island if it wasn't set in the middle of the ocean. (with a bootleg Aberration zone, that I could just play Aberration if I wanted to see those areas environmentally)
Rag: Updated Island with a desert.
Crystal-Isle: Once unique map that got butchered by content-stripping.
Lost-Island: Just a Tamerial-shaped Island.
Fjordur: Kind of the same as Val, but with realms that look unique.

[gusty turret]

Gen 1 is just a sectioned off island pumped up to 1000

[bold dove]

Bog: doesn't exists on The-Island
Volcanic biome: doesn't exist on The-Island (top of the volcano isn't a biome, doesn't count)
Artic: you have that one.
Ocean: you also have that one.

Oh, and the Lunar

[gusty turret]

The lunar was a mistake thats what the lunar was

The bog is just a swamp with bigger trees

[bold dove]

"Swamps are low wetlands; bogs are generally higher than the surrounding land. Swamps receive water from rivers or streams and have some drainage; bogs receive water from precipitation and have no outflow; water is held by seepage."
Bogs and Swamps are different in their own sense

[gusty turret]

Volcano is just the mountain biomes with more lava, same creatures that spawn just slightly more deserty with thorny dragons and jug bugs and stuff

[bold dove]

Your counter-argument is weak.
I will not entertain this discussion more.

[gusty turret]

Oh and can't forget basilisks

Because we totally needed those in the volcano

[bold dove]

And?
Basilisks are in the radiation-biome of Aberration. Which was almost volcanic in nature.

[gusty turret]

The only thought that went into that was most definitely "hmmm lava" "you know whats warm? Lava, big snake fits there because cold blood"

[brazen sparrow]

As Bootleg said, your argument is weak and therefore invalid

[gusty turret]

He also said my argument would not be entertained anymore then proceeded to continue entertaining it

[brazen sparrow]

But I will say, the mod maps are very cool in their own rights, but not enough to outperform or outdo the official ones by any means

They're about equal, if anything

[lyric tendon]

fam, lunar is fun and there is nothing before subvert and throw a curve ball at what we know and how we play in ARK

[ornate hull]

Daily reminder that gen 2 had piss rivers

[quaint marsh]

Untrue, the non-story maps all take heavy inspiration from the story maps...

Was there a map with a desert before Scorched? No
Was there aberrant zones before Aberration? No

Only exception would be the Centers volcano biome

And agreed, many of them look quite generic. At least Aberration and Scorched have heavy themes that make them a unique experience

[lament raft]

island had a very small volcano area technically

[bold dove]

Don't entertain it anymore.
It's not worth it

[quaint marsh]

Didn't realise there was a long convo on it, my bad

Discord didn't update

[mental basin]

Arat Primeee

[vital plume]

All I have to say is look at the concept art for Aberration

[gusty turret]

Why is concept art relevant

That's all it is, a concept

[vital plume]

It does since the concept art for extinction has a simliar biome to the volcano in gen 1

[vital plume]

They might use old concept art for new maps it's called reusing stuff

[bronze turtle]

No one is so strong like Helena because she did all Arks flawless

[lyric tendon]

aside from getting torpor'd melee bob style by reasonably pisssed off Mei

[rain dock]

Helena was a Bob and she died halfway through extinction

[bronze turtle]

Ye but sehe created a System to respawn all

So she is still alive i guess

[lyric tendon]

If losing your sense of humanity is "alive" then .. yikes

[vital plume]

Then you can say Rockwell's human side is when he transformed

[gusty turret]

She didn't even lose her sense of humanity really, she lost her emotions after hundreds of years of being inside her own head, i think that's all too human, she lost her vessel but she remained

She didn't even really lose her emotions either she just grew cold over time

[kindred vessel]

Yay!!!!! Another new dinosaur!! (We only get 2 months to use it)

[rich tusk]

Well you can still use it on SP and unofficial servers

[lament raft]

it'll probably be added in ASA

[lyric tendon]

unofficial go brrrrrrrrrrr

[proven gorge]

scorched earth? O.o

[gusty turret]

Do you not think the fleshy inner part resembles the island then the just endless wastes of sand resembles the ocean?

[bold dove]

Don't get Dava started again.
That whole discussion was filled with brainworms

[gusty turret]

You can't even say I'm wrong the arks structure is entirely identical to that of the islands just with sand instead of dirt and water😭

Fleshy middle bit, endless dangerous waste survivors aren't meant to spend too long in

[bold dove]

That's literally the point of having 'different models' of stuff.
But the original point wasn't lore-wise, it was environmental wise.

[vital plume]

One thing I'm hoping is extinction looks better than what it is now

[sick canyon]

I just realized...
ASA will have wild baby otters in 4k ultra graphics
I need to save up to buy a pc... I MUST BUY A PC!

[bold dove]

True!!

[sick canyon]

Also I've never asked this question here but,
If you had to choose would you join the URE or the terran feds?

[bold dove]

That's if 'every' creature will have a wild-baby variant, and still not select ones like the drake-family.
They could totally make it egg-laying exclusive.

[sick canyon]

I hope they add nests with fertilized eggs for all wild creatures as well
Like the hunted mod, but more rare

[bold dove]

Seems like some of the features coming to ASA are things coming to ARK-2, like this new third-person system we can opt-out of, directional movement, improved character-creation, etc.
So the wild-babies could be a test-version of what we'll see in ARK-2.

[lyric tendon]

You know what is the best part

When Gen 2 will re-released, I hope we can finally kidnap wild babies

[lyric tendon]

It's kinda funny that the Feds are more fleshed out than URE tbh

I hope the new new DLC will tackle that void through Diana

[sick canyon]

I definitely prefer the terran feds
But yes, Maybe I'd actually like the URE a little more if I knew more about them

[lyric tendon]

If not, I will demand a RTS spin off about the Tek War

[lyric frost]

The ark character creation is absolutely perfect

[bold dove]

That is far from the truth

It's the most barebones character-creation I've seen in a online-game.
Even ATLAS has a character-creation leagues better then ARK's.

[lament raft]

i want better hairstyles

[sick canyon]

That actually reminds of an idea I had...
I had an idea for for a idle/civilization builder game where you play as an overseer

[lyric tendon]

The overseer is the reverse version of an ideal sim city player tho

More a kin to dungeon keeper tho

[quaint marsh]

URE, because I prefer the ARKs over the colony ship

[quaint marsh]

Overseers are just DM's

They operate their own world full of player characters

Problem is though, they all tend to run really difficult campaigns, that only the most min maxed players can survive

[gusty turret]

The URE

[gusty turret]

Well the URE played a massive part in both so

Without the URE there would be no bringing back dead people, the feds didn't have access to the matrix database until the URE gave it to them

While the Arks were a good idea the ship was the superior idea because it was the one that actually would've succeeded regardless of any other plot points happening, it would've succeeded flawlessly if our actions were never to have happened

When picking between the feds and the URE it needs to be much more of a decision based on your values, mainly how you feel about transhumanism since that was pretty much the only reason they ever fought

[lyric tendon]

but in Diana's perspective its about the war for resources IIRC

[gusty turret]

Gen 2 Santiago seemed to be clueless for the most part then again he was also heavily modified already

[bold dove]

Neither.
They're both shit

U.R.E are human-rights activists taking it to such a huge step that it breaks so many moral grounds.
Terran Federation (from the little we know) seems to be in it for the money/resources, so basically what we already have today.
If I had to choose, I'd choose 'neither'

[gusty turret]

I mean technically the URE isn't forcing anyone to do anything

The one example we have of them being immoral is just simulating a dead guys memories

[bold dove]

Then forcefully placing them onto environments no one asked to be on.

[gusty turret]

I mean true but thats also a greater good scenario

I was talking about Santiago though

Technically most of the torture is Helenas fault shes the one who threw so many people into immortality

[bold dove]

You can argue 'drafting' is for the greater good of a country.
But you wont fucking catch me being forcefully enlisted into the military to fight for a country I don't care for anymore.

[gusty turret]

When are people gonna turn on Helena

Bad phrasing but

She is such a bad person

[bold dove]

You know, I got what you meant until you said that

She's horrible.

[gusty turret]

I think its selfish of her to make respawning

She could've just like made androids or something

[bold dove]

But yeah, no.
Being resurrected is like being drafted, but on steroids.
Instead of being forcefully taken by a military, away from your home. You're being forcefully resurrected to fight for a problem you didn't even cause.

[gusty turret]

I dunno i think id rather be resurrected with all of my genetic flaws erased and barely any memories to know i even died in the first place than be drafted

[bold dove]

From what we know, androids don't exist in the ARK-universe.
HLN-A is the closest to a AI, and she's only an 'AI' due to her being literally part of Helena.

[gusty turret]

Helena's version of resurrecting is bad the Arks default settings are way better

[bold dove]

I'm not saying 'one or the other'
I'm saying they're both bad

[gusty turret]

I guess its just personal preference 🤷‍♂️

[bold dove]

But honestly, I'm not sure which one I'd prefer if I did have to choose.
On one hand, being drafted means you'll at least be somewhat prepared for what'll come next, and have proper firearm training.
If resurrected on an ARK, you'd have all of the knowledge and lack there of you have currently, and you'd have to deal with primal beasts no man can be prepared for. Instead of being shot, you'd be ripped limb from limb.
And it's a blessing if this is pre-respawn. If it's post-respawn, then you'll also have to deal with the mental issues coming from being killed over, and over, and over, and over again, remembering the feeling of your guts being ripped out of you alive, the feeling of surviving being eating by a Giga and melting in acid, the feeling of water entering your lungs, etc.

The game, nor notes don't do justice on how fucking horrible the ARK's would be in reality.

[gusty turret]

I think you're selling being drafted short

[bold dove]

Being forced into the military, get proper training, either get shot, gassed, blown up, to death.
All sound preferable them anything on the ARK's.

[gusty turret]

I think gassed is against the Geneva convention 😭 getting exploded and losing the lower half of my body but being forced to stay alive by modern medicine doesn't sound fun though

[bold dove]

And depending on what war it is, we have laws in place that wont allow for heavily immoral thing in war.
The geneva convention doesn't allow shit like flame-throwers, gassing, etc to be used. But that all depends on which side you're fighting on against who.

[gusty turret]

I think id rather be eaten by a giga than turned into confetti

Like modern day getting drafted theres basically no laws against firing a missile into someones face

[bold dove]

Then there's the survivors on the ARK's that have rockets.

Rocket-turrets also.

Then there's flame-throwers.

[gusty turret]

Technically we never see anyone with anything beyond a longneck to my recollection in the notes

[sick canyon]

"Had to choose"

[gusty turret]

Unless you count genesis 2 which i dont

[bold dove]

If I'm choosing, I'm choosing to rebel then

[gusty turret]

This is like playing rock paper scissors with someone and they keep making stuff up to win

[bold dove]

Notes don't convey what is canon.
This just means they where never used/mentioned during Helena's time.
Doesn't mean they don't exist.
Which they do, since they game allows them

[sick canyon]

[bold dove]

Think you're undermining how horrible both sides would be.

[gusty turret]

I think we can reasonably assume the arks would smite anyone down before they got to that point

[gusty turret]

Im not undermining anything im just not avoiding the scenario in which i had to choose between one or the other

"rock paper scissors shoot" "tactical nuke i win"

[bold dove]

If people can have tek without being smited, I think having a rocket is fine.

[bold dove]

Your analogies are the weirdest shits I've ever seen that make no sense.

[gusty turret]

The Abb people sabotaged the obelisk to get around it, it was about to happen again before Helena showed up

[bold dove]

That wasn't due to them being settled down.
That was due to the ARK about to nuke itself due to no overseer.

[gusty turret]

Not really, when given a set and asked to choose one item from the set you are metaphorically pooping on the metaphorical party by inventing your own choice outside of the set

[sick canyon]

More like "I didn't choose anything so I win"

[carmine cedar]

What is this shooting part in the end

Sounds American ngl

[bold dove]

Yes, cause if I had to choose between 'shitty government' versus 'shitty government'
Then simply enough, I'm just not choosing. 🤷‍♂️

[gusty turret]

But thats not in the spirit of the question

[bold dove]

If your question can't take multiple answers, then it isn't a real question.

[gusty turret]

There are two options

Just because it's not an open ended question that doesn't mean its not a real question

[bold dove]

There's always more then two options, if you think outside of the box.

[bold dove]

Just because it isn't an answer 'you' wanted. Doesn't mean it isn't a valid answer.

[gusty turret]

Its like binary the value is either 1 or 0 its not that hard

[sick canyon]

I choose 7

[carmine cedar]

Or its 0.5

[bold dove]

Actually, 0.5 exists.

Like I said.
There's always another option.

[gusty turret]

"A binary number is a number expressed in the base-2 numeral system or binary numeral system, a method of mathematical expression which uses only two symbols: typically "0" (zero) and "1" (one)."

[sick canyon]

Who would have guessed that numbers can be split like that🤯

[gusty turret]

0 1, true false, high low, on off

[bold dove]

Yep.
More options

[sick canyon]

This changes everything

[bold dove]

"0.5 decimal equals 0.1 in binary. It also equals 0.4 in octal and 0.8 in hexadecimal . In general 0. d in base b stands for d/b, where d is a digit in base b."

[sick canyon]

Wow you're so smart
Maybe even too smart to have fun with a simple 2 answer question about ark lore

[gusty turret]

I can guarantee you you can only have an input that is on or off and an output that is on or off

[bold dove]

Yep, there's a reason why I have autism.
Again, if 'you' can't accept multiple answers then the two you planned, that's on you.

[gusty turret]

You are like entirely avoiding the spirit of the question

If someone asks you if you prefer cats or dogs and you say horses then you are just being difficult

[bold dove]

Oh, I prefer cats

?

[sick canyon]

Actually I've changed my opinion
I choose both the URE and Terran feds

[quaint marsh]

I heavily doubt that. They don't punish you for progress, they punish you for lack of it

[bold dove]

Mercenary work is always good.

[lyric tendon]

technically Nosti is a progress of survival for humanity, but for the overseer, it's not favorable hence issuing a wipe to the tune of manti and wyverns

[gusty turret]

I see that as more of a glass half empty or glass half full situation

[bold dove]

Nosti would like to say otherwise

[gusty turret]

The overseer basically just killed whatever it was bored with

Its definitely mentioned in the notes the exact parameters I'm just too tired to look

[quaint marsh]

Nosti got too comfortable though. They were progressing a human society, but weren't looking for the truth of the place. Honestly yeah, I take it back. The Arks destroy what they observe as "lacking", even if it is progress from the view of an average survivor

[quaint marsh]

What exact parameters? The notes are quite vague

[bold dove]

Yeeeerrp
Cause the point of the ARK's are to constantly put you under stress.
You can have a few downtime to yourself, but too much and you'll call the robo-future version of fucking Zeus on your ass.

[gusty turret]

I wanna say its more of it likes to make sure people stay on their toes instead of settling, not if it considers it to be lacking

[quaint marsh]

Yep lol

[bold dove]

Stress

[carmine cedar]

The overseer works for the greater good

[bold dove]

The ARK's are meant to push humans to their physical and mental limits.

[gusty turret]

The overseer works for the long outdated parameters it was programmed on, just like the enforcers

[bold dove]

Overseers: "we work for the greater good"
'proceeds to fucking destroy anything that can remotely settle down, and possible help stop the infection on Earth, but they don't stop due to their data being corrupted from age'
Overseers "the greater good"

[bold dove]

Yeah, they've gone softly rogue.

[carmine cedar]

Yeah that’s the reference 😐

[gusty turret]

There was no chance of anyone besides the tek tribe getting back to Earth

[bold dove]

The ARK's where apparently not as hostile at first.
But like you said Dava, due to them becoming outdated, them and the ARK's started to break down.

[gusty turret]

Like Helena said

[carmine cedar]

Who would update them tho 😐

[gusty turret]

I don't have the note line

[carmine cedar]

All the humans were either hiding out on earth or in the arks

[bold dove]

Helena

[carmine cedar]

Or on the ship but yea

[gusty turret]

Everything the System does is in service to its ultimate objective. The tests that aren’t tests. The hard resets it performs when it believes its subjects have grown stagnant or unruly. The new, increasingly fantastic creatures that it introduces to its ecosystems. Yes, even those pudgy, glowing lizard-dogs. Look, they try their best, okay?

The problem is that the System’s purpose is not wholly static. The goalposts have moved. The bar has been raised, and now it is entirely out of the System’s reach.

As its purpose grows more unachievable and its errors pile up, the System grows more desperate. Its actions more erratic. In its death throes, these islands in the sky will become pits of madness. The chaos lurking in those cavernous depths will be the rule, not the exception.

You must fix it before it reaches that point. By then, it will be too late.

[carmine cedar]

She became a Homo Deus only recently

[gusty turret]

Here we are

[carmine cedar]

In the grand scheme of things Helena isn’t that old

[quaint marsh]

But Nosti did become very large, on the Island there are at least two large tribes mentioned, but not quite at the size of Nosti. I like to imagine that the tribes their were on the brink of causing a reaction, (mainly looking at the Painted Sharks here, they had a whole fortress on Herbivore Island and several outposts on the mainland). Alternatively, the Island Overseer may have been less prone to activation, as I imagine they all differ from eachother

[bold dove]

Yep.
The system is literally tearing itself apart.

[quaint marsh]

I type too slow

[bold dove]

Which note is this again?
I want to hear the voice actress say 'pudgy, glowing lizard-dogs'

[gusty turret]

Amazing question

I just know its an extinction chronicle

[quaint marsh]

Aww, I wanted to know too lol

[carmine cedar]

remembers the original ab trailer

[bold dove]

Yeah, it's a One-Who-Waits

[bold dove]

Yeah, why?

[bold dove]

Ooh, I get it now.

[carmine cedar]

Kekw

[quaint marsh]

goodness

[gusty turret]

Technically its ??? Not the one who waits

That is an important distinction since they are two different sets of notes

Although they're both by deus Helena

[quaint marsh]

but would do y'all think of this theory?

[carmine cedar]

What I am more interested in is what the paid dlc will be

[bold dove]

I guess?
But people just refer to the '???' ones to "Island-Aberration" One-Who-Waits

[quaint marsh]

There are a few plot holes in the notes that allow speculation like this, but that's where the fun begins

[carmine cedar]

Yeah maybe, after all the SE overseer technically takes a “more menacing form”

[gusty turret]

Islands overseer seemed pretty chill tbh, although I don't think it would've targeted the legion since they were fighting the guardians and actually doing stuff, the other groups may have been though

[quaint marsh]

Yeah, not talking about the Legion, they were doing well

Causing lots of chaos

[gusty turret]

i say the overseer was chill as it decimated Nerva's entire army

[quaint marsh]

Lol, up until then

[bold dove]

To be fair, he kind of got got

[quaint marsh]

But it is a powerful entity, soo

[gusty turret]

Yeah but he also wiped out an army that we have no idea the size of

With we don't know how many creatures

[bold dove]

True.
But Nerva did finish it off

[gusty turret]

This is why we need a guide book

[carmine cedar]

Im honestly surprised Nerva made it to Ab

[gusty turret]

Like one for each map like the Minecraft books

[gusty turret]

His corpse made it to Abb thats something i guess...

[quaint marsh]

I'm gonna imagine they didn't have super inbred creatures, and had simply used random wild tames level 20-90

[bold dove]

Honestly, I'd like to see an AU of 'if Nerva never died'
He started to question his faith at the end of his notes. So I wonder if with time alone on Aberration, if he'd question or even abandon his faith.

[quaint marsh]

That would be cool lol. I think there actually is one though, it's just very outdated

Like, pre TEK cave

[carmine cedar]

Hmm

[gusty turret]

I think Nerva should've had a character turn around but I don't think Mei would've ever done anything short of killing him

[quaint marsh]

I would think he would, to an extent. He would also lose trust in Rockwell

He could have been the hero we needed

Unlike Mei who had Helena there, he probably wouldn't have let Rockwell live when he started acting funny

[gusty turret]

After what Nerva and his army took from Mei and the way Mei failed to let go of things I see no situation where she doesn't kill him

[lament raft]

yeah she was out for his head

[quaint marsh]

Only possibility would be if they don't come into contact with each other in the Hall of History, Nerva transports to another Ark before Mei finds him

But that would, narratively, not be a great conclusion

Because Mei's arc, and Nerva's, are left unfinished

[gusty turret]

If they ever encountered each other again she would kill him, she would track him down, she would not stop

[quaint marsh]

Yes

[gusty turret]

Just like how she went after Rockwell recklessly after he killed Diana

[lament raft]

well, over time she may have cooled down

[gusty turret]

I don't think there would've been time to cool off if she chased after him the same way she chased after Rockwell

Although Mei had no sense of control over the transfer console she just touched it until something happened

Im surprised Rockwell seemed to have such a grasp on it

I really think Rockwell would buy an NFT

[bold dove]

Though, they might've not allowed Nerva to finish Rockwell off since they wouldn't trust him

[lyric tendon]

WarHammer Tau intenisfies

with a mix of imperium there

[sick canyon]

Nerva was actually kinda a hero in his own right despite being one of the "antagonists"
He never had any really evil intentions, looked after his army well, wanted to restore order to the island, was fairly polite and respectful according to rockwell and helena and without his army defeating the overseer helena probably never would have made it to earth and therefore would have never become a home deus and be able guild the player to defeating king titan

[sick canyon]

Introducing the new edmundium NFT collection

[quaint marsh]

Just wrote a damn book and Discord deleted it on me

[brazen sparrow]

Rough

[lyric tendon]

Bare in mind he thinks the other tribes are "barbaric" despite no account of conflict aside when it involved The New Legion

Remember the Painted Sharks, Iron Brotherhood, and .... Wolves are actually chill with Helena

Painted Sharks allowed Helena studied their tames

Iron Brotherhood did the Broodmother fight upon Helena's request (that is before she met Mei) and

... Wolves helped Helena in some way (I forgot, hence the blanks)

The only tribe that isn't mentioned by Helena is the Blackthumbs

(ok I forgot one that Nerva do mentioned that the Blackthumbs and Painted Sharks are rivals)

[quaint marsh]

Wolves and Sharks both helped with her studies, the Painted Sharks were also one of few tribes who dared stand against Nerva. I'm theorizing they were one of the strongest tribes at the time, owning a fortress on Herbivore Island called the Southern Haven aswell as multiple outposts on the mainland. The Howling Wolves also contributed, but way too late, as they only began marching toward Nerva's capitol after the defeat of the Sharks and any other tribe that dared oppose the Legion

[lyric tendon]

Y u replied to me, I already know that

[quaint marsh]

They had a dispute according to Rockwell's notes, which also mention a Southern Isles Accord, which is interesting. That's probably a type of law all tribes in that area follow, which is why they had peace down there

[quaint marsh]

Sorry, it's meant as a continuation to your post

Should've pinged the one who asked, but your post was right there

[lyric tendon]

[mental basin]

Arat Prime

I hope Mei and Diana make it to Arat

If not I'll be extremely sad

[rain dock]

Yes, sad that people from earth didn't make it to a hostile alien planet

[lyric tendon]

My mom is currently singing "A Total Eclipse of the Heart"

And that reminds me of the Diana's Death Scene we did lmao

[swift gale]

lmao i remember bawling my eyes when she was dying

[lyric tendon]

Fun fact, I sang the same song while we did it

You guys have now idea how funny behind the scenes is lmao

[gusty turret]

I mean at least we know they made it to Arat prime

[errant stream]

I'm somewhat well versed in ark lore and I've tried to go over the possibilities but in asa (ark 1.5) they say they are making a new dlc story map my question is where would a story map be able to fit in with ark lore after genesis 2's crash landing onto ark 2s planet
Only thing I can thing of would be going back to earth after the arks came back down

[bold dove]

ARK-2 is roughly a few years later, 'if' Meeka is Santiago's biological daughter.
So a DLC can fit as a 'presequel' of ARK-2, set on a small part on Arat, as a taste of what ARK-2 could offer.
But what I hope it is, is a Arat-Prime DLC.

Out of anything.
We 'NEED' a Arat-Prime DLC.
We need to finally close the bridge between Extinction and Genesis-1.

I'll fucking cry with tears of joy if they make it that, after whatever cutscene plays in the DLC, the last thing we see right before the credits is "Hello, I'm HLN-A."

[gusty turret]

I still hope they were joking about it being 3rd person only with souls style combat

I like souls combat as much as the next person but not in ark...

[grand frost]

I thought they mentioned changing that in recently 🤔
But I might be misinterpreting it

[bold dove]

They mentioned how they know some people wont like it in their last CC

[sick canyon]

I highly doubt ark 2 will have guns, and if it does it will probably only be a small selection of very primitive guns, the Only ranged weapons it will have is slingshots, bows and crossbows
So most of the weapons in ark 2 will presumably be melee weapons
And the problem is fps combat doesn't work that well when 90% of all weapons in the game are primitive melee weapons
Souls like combat will make fighting with melee weapons more realistic and fun with being able to actually dodge, block and use light and heavy attacks...
Instead of just looking at you target and spamming the attack button

[ornate hull]

Dodge it like your in the matrix

[bright delta]

So Whats happens to the ARKS (the island, aberration, extinction) during Ark 2. Any theories?

[lament raft]

at the end of extinction they all landed back on earth and started to reseed

[bronze forge]

Wouldn't all the water from the island and any other water filled arks flood the earth?

Just curious

[lament raft]

i don't think there are that many arks

[bronze forge]

Fair enough

[gusty turret]

Theres also not that much water in the arks

And the water is all contained within the arks

[lament raft]

i was gonna say the same but the Arks are likely able to create water

given that while in orbit they had to be self sustained for years, decades, or even centuries

[gusty turret]

I mean i assume they are meant to bring water back to Earth too since there isn't much of it at that point so they do kinda need it but i still doubt there would be any major flooding, maybe some minor displacement from the tremors of them coming back down

[shut vessel]

Uritnktjsospauzyaa yo ma guys

Is the playable charecter in ark the same on aka arks by Lordy

Lore

[lyric tendon]

After the notes

The only one where you are involved is "The One Who Waits" and voiced notes in Genesis saga

[shut vessel]

What

[lyric tendon]

Sorry I misread

The answer is yes but it's after the events of the notes

That is why you don't experienced pre-Ab (that isn't Valguero)

[shut vessel]

So yes for all story arks you play as one dude?

How does it actually work in game? Do you upload youre charecter and use it in the next map or what?

[fallow sapphire]

in game your character gets uploaded after ascension, and you just download them to the next chronological map

[forest kite]

I forget the lore, was there ever an explanation as to how aberration became so fucked up?

[rain dock]

Yes, Diana and Santiago made a bomb

[shut vessel]

Hi, by canon shouldn’t the main charecter be level 100 by scorched earth as he alr beat the island

With tek engrams

And if yes then how do I….. mitigate this….. as I want it to be as close to lorey as possible

As I don’t wanna be level 100 fighting with a level 5 funky boi in some cave

For multiple hours

[lyric tendon]

That is all gameplay stuff, no explanation from there

Hell, nothing is mentioned about levels nor what difficulty the boss is

[bold dove]

Stuff like 'levels' isn't within canon

[shut vessel]

I am asking if it’s canon that the survivor knows tek and stuff and is very strong by scorched earthsza

[bold dove]

That's up to you

What's canon about the survivor is loose, since they're your avatar.

[gusty turret]

I highly question us actually having tek before Extinction

[lament raft]

the ab survivors had tek gear

even before they nuked the overseer

[brazen sparrow]

I'd say we get tek in Ab, since that's the first place we canonically hear about it, but again it is up to you entirely where and when you introduce certain game mechanics, because they're exactly that; game mechanics

I typically either start using tek on Scorched or Ab, since Scorched is a pain and Ab is where we can first craft/harvest element

[mental basin]

Wait, Tek on Scorch?

Strange. Anyways, Marc actually says that getting Element in Bossfights is canon.

[arctic bison]

Rockwell can confirm this on scorched

[mental basin]

Apparently, that's because Survivors were meant to be able to recognize and neutralize it incase the Reseed Protocol failed.

[mental basin]

I'm aware, but... oddly enough he gets Element Ore??

[arctic bison]

was it element ore? i thought it was just pure plain element that he tried to smelt down in a forge later

[mental basin]

Maybe we ALSO Canonically get Element Ore... but for gameplay purposes they just give us Element.

[mental basin]

I'm 80% sure it was Element Ore. Or like, a fat Shard.

It looks... weird in the Notes.

[arctic bison]

i bet the tek creatures can drop fat shards, but they let them poop regular feces for whatever reasons

[mental basin]

Not to mention the fact that nobody gets Element from the Bosses on The Island.

..... They didn't see it.

[arctic bison]

island was doing a bit of trolling

[lyric tendon]

IIRC he did managed to "get a sample" but the details was never cleared up

[mental basin]

TEK Creatures have been deemed not-canon on any map but Extinction, and the Genesis Season Pass.

[arctic bison]

my headcanon still stands regardless

tek dinos should poop out tek shards

[mental basin]

Just massive heaps of Element

Enormous

[bold dove]

Even though it's the most useful resource on the ARK's. Making it impractical to eradicate it until Extinction.

[mental basin]

??

[bold dove]

Just realized you said 'in-case it fails'

I just woke up, still have brainworms in my system

[gusty turret]

Element is impractical to eliminate in general

[gusty turret]

Tbh i blame the Feds for everything

I think the URE had the right idea of trying to coexist and merge with it

As proven by the creatures we saw existing in harmony with element and growing with it

[snow gulch]

Can someone reply to this message with a long detailed essay on Ark's Lore whilst I do my schoolwork? I'd appreciate that.

[brazen sparrow]

You can make it even easier, and just listen to the lore while you do schoolwork via several methods, namely NeddyTheNoodle's youtube series on the matter

[lament raft]

at least through aberration

[glad crow]

I'm still impressed by this summary. It probably answers your questions, though I'd still recommend reading all the notes and watching Neddy's videos. @snow gulch

[dim vault]

The lore I very interesting the amount of backstop is amazing

[snow gulch]

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to type this.

[gusty turret]

We need to train chatgpt to be a lore expert

[lyric tendon]

no

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, that's a no from me, dawg

[lean bobcat]

Of course!

[errant stream]

Arat prime is the location the genesis ship came from right?

[bold dove]

It's the launch-station, yes.

[errant stream]

Ah thank you

[mental basin]

Arat Prime have gone silent

Still don't understand what the 'Overseer Protocol' is. Nor why it was switched to 'automated'.

Gamma level personnel obviously refers to the citizens of Sanctuary.

Talking about the Tekxt in Sanctuary.

[brazen sparrow]

That was all removed at some point for reasons unknown, right?

Never gone back to Ext specifically to look lol

[mental basin]

Apparently it was for performance?

Best guess.

iirc I told Jat abt it, and he said he'd notify the team. Either he never did, or he did and they never did anything abt it.

[brazen sparrow]

Hmmmm, very sus

[gusty turret]

It would be great if the other banners actually provided context instead of just some random flash news announcements

I don't understand the significance of the diamond shape in everything though

The overseer was diamond shaped, sanctuary was diamond shaped, the implant is diamond shaped, i don't see the significance of the diamond

[brazen sparrow]

It's the same as the significance of the hexagon; future-y, sci-fi, "looks-really-cool" nonsense 🤣

Not everything has some deep lore significance, mate

[bold dove]

Soooo.....does Bruise still think the CC was an April-fools joke?

[gusty turret]

Im still going through the stages of grief too

[gusty turret]

It doesn't have to be a deep lore significance it should just have some kind of meaning to it

The only path im following is diamonds being seen as pure

Like you don't just repeat a certain detail in various places and have it mean absolutely nothing

Especially since they were put into practice by the hippie religious freaks

Many cultures believe that diamond crystals cleanse, restore, and balance the mind, body, and soul. Because of their brilliance, they’re also associated with the power to illuminate the mind and provide mental clarity. In addition, diamonds are thought to magnify emotions and energies.

In some eastern cultures, people would place a diamond in water. They believed that drinking the “diamond-soaked water” would strengthen their hearts.

Hindus believe that diamonds’ vibrations can bring healing to the mind and heart while turning away negative energy.

Because of such beliefs, diamonds are widely used in meditation in an effort to find and regain balance.

It's not like an important plot detail but i think it still has some meaning to it somewhere in there🤷‍♂️

[rain dock]

Hexagons are pretty significant

[brazen sparrow]

I moreso meant in-game significance, but yeah

[brazen sparrow]

It was, and if you don't see that now by how much of it they outright changed, then you are blind

[bold dove]

Uh-huh.

[lyric tendon]

[gusty turret]

They definitely did change quite a bit

[mortal echo]

I have a question that probably hasn't been answered yet. In Ark: Extinction, after defeating the King Titan, do the other three Titans also disappear canonically? Perhaps the fact that they are tamable suggests that they can be disconnected from the King Titan. Alternatively, even if they are tamed, do they still disappear due to their connection to the hive mind? If not, would they have stayed around like a group of friendly Titans after the King Titan's defeat?

it's a weird uninimportant question but I guess it's because I'm biased and I love my forest titan child

[brazen sparrow]

I would imagine that we don't get to keep them, sadly, being that they're entirely comprised of Element, even post-tame.

But, that does raise the question; does every being that's been made in some small way with the aid of Element get purged in the Reseed Protocol? Because last I checked, human and dino clones are made on the Arks with Element-based tek, and it would make sense that those made with Element (however transformative it is) would still be able to be traced genetically back to it, somehow. But maybe I'm just looking into it too hard... or, we're all a part of the Element, and it's part of all of us

[lyric tendon]

and they think I have the "furthest reach"

[mortal echo]

waaaaaa

😢

this hurts me I had hope

[carmine cedar]

Maybe in the new DLC if it’s Post Extinction we can find out if titans are still alive

[brazen sparrow]

How is it reaching? All of what I said is true, the clones are made of Element lmao. Use a tek cloning chamber sometime, tell me what you are using to constitute the entire being of your dino that you clone 😉

[lyric tendon]

this is more speculation, we'll have to wait for the ASA exclusive DLC if it's confirmed or not

[mortal echo]

yayyyyy

[carmine cedar]

triple ping

[gusty turret]

I know the titans slowly dying over time is more of a gameplay feature than anything but i imagine that would be what happened once they were disconnected from the hive mind

I see it as taking a fish out of water

I still hate that gasbags are just little bugs

Its so disgusting

[crimson elk]

Gawd damn

[brazen sparrow]

Those "little bugs" have a name, you know

And it's tardigrades (or water bears)

And they are some of the coolest little dudes in existence

[gusty turret]

I dunno man have you ever seen like a lemon shark

[brazen sparrow]

Can a lemon shark survive the vacuum of space, as well as being frozen?

[waxen flame]

It can survive for the rest of its life

[gusty turret]

Don't hate on lemon sharks they're adorable

They just wanna be petted

If they see divers petting any other sharks they'll attack the other shark to run it off

[sick canyon]

Arat prime

[brazen sparrow]

Not very wholesome Keanu chungus of them, tbh

[carmine cedar]

Rat Prime sounds like a DOX creature

DOX be like: Big Chungus Elemental Ice Manticore Prime Wild

[gusty turret]

It is so they just get jealous and wanna be petted

[limber snow]

After ascending when Helena made it so that you would just respawn after dying, did she not think this may 1# mentally cripple people as after hundreds of years stuck in a cycle of living and dying they would crave death 2# overcrowd the arks as people from different times would still be waking up and current prisoners of the arks would still be there, mostly unable to leave unless they figure out how to but would only end up on another one.

[gusty turret]

Most of the populations from the arks were already dead by that point with no hope of recovery, and we're like the first one/one of the first ones to wake up in her new system at least i believe

[brazen sparrow]

Once the Arks come down, no one can respawn anymore, as The System (and furthermore the cloning systems) is reliant on Element for it's operation

[gusty turret]

That too, basically someone had to figure it out eventually, with a pretty much infinite number of lives and all the bobs working in the same direction, at least we're led to believe, someone was bound to eventually

And also on the opposite end of the spectrum the arks were bound to descend into chaos eventually

[gusty turret]

Im not sure i like the rebranding to ark survival ascended

I feel like that removes the whole point of evolving and adapting to overcome the obstacles

[mental basin]

Arat Prime

??

Interestingly enough,, Helena claims it's the HomoDeus who power the ARKs.

Something along the lins of "Each one draws from the power of our member."

Rereading HelenaDeus' Notes is certainly interesting.

[gusty turret]

I'm by far the most junior of us, but the rest of my kind can do even less than I. They cannot touch minds or leave slivers of thought. They rely on flawed proxies to oversee the grand System they created, for they can no longer manage it themselves.

It is not that they are weak, not at all. It is their power that nurtures the seeds that orbit our home, each one drawing strength from a member of our number. Yes, power they have, but nothing to guide it. Their identity, their sense of self, has decayed and crumbled.

Only I can speak for us. I, the youngest, the weakest and the last.

[gusty turret]

I assume homodeus=system but system≠homodeus

[mental basin]

..... no.

Watch Neddythenoodle's System Short I wrote.

[gusty turret]

No

[mental basin]

Okay, then be wrong.

[bold dove]

Homo-Deus's are walking batteries.

They ain't AA's, they ain't AAA's.
They're goddamn AAAA batteries.

[brazen sparrow]

It would be the other direction, AAAA is smaller

They'd be like a H battery lol

[bold dove]

Wait, really?
Fuck, never knew that.

[brazen sparrow]

Ye

D batteries are the beeg square ones, for reference

[bold dove]

What are car-batteries classified as?

Unless they're literally just called 'car-batteries' and have no alphabetical numbers to them.

[brazen sparrow]

Car batteries are typically classified with numbers, so yeah it's a different grading scale

[bold dove]

Ahh.
Fuck it. Homo-Deus's are a whole Uranium-deposit.

Or a star.

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps

[bold dove]

If a single Homo-Deus can power a whole ARK for god knows how long, they could easily solve the power-crisis on post-Extinction Earth.

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps

Unless they dissipate to the other realm when they have finished their goal they set out to do

[gusty turret]

You guys know the meme where its like the really wrinkly looking man saying "yes babe"

Thats what the overseers are

[bold dove]

Shit, good point. They still need to apply rules of energy.
Which energy if I recall right dissipates if it isn't held in a form of a storage.

Fuck it, snatch one of the fuckers in a car-battery.

[gusty turret]

You guys wanna get a vacuum cleaner and chase Helena around with it...

[bold dove]

"I ain't afraid of no ghost"

[lyric tendon]

HD Helena be smol

[torpid wave]

Homo Deuson

Dyson... get it

[brazen sparrow]

Mild nose laugh, that's my final offer

[lyric tendon]

a "heh" will do

[crimson elk]

[north yew]

Imagine if the non story arks were cannon but Helena nore mei yin went to them

[brazen sparrow]

They aren't, WC has confirmed it

Sadly

[north yew]

Sad

[brazen sparrow]

Yep

[lyric tendon]

They are called "non Story" for a reason

[wet yew]

Thats why they said “imagine”

[lyric tendon]

why "imagine" when we all know it's not gonna happen regardless

[brazen sparrow]

I can't imagine it, because it's confirmed to not be the case... hence my comment lmao

I wish they were, though

[gusty turret]

Okay but in the hypothetical situation that they were

[north yew]

I can only imagine

[ornate hull]

But I did eat breakfast this morning

[exotic tide]

How does Kibble taste like?

[mental basin]

Probably really good ngl

The ingredients are all just regular stuff Survivors already eat

Only problem is the fiber surplus

[bold dove]

Kibble is the proper name for cat/dog food

So, probably akin to cat/dog food.

[bold dove]

If I recall right, it states in the description that "it has a bland taste to survivors."

[mental basin]

Nay

[quaint marsh]

Bland and chewy yes yes

[gusty turret]

So technically we just have to season it?

I vote Neddy the Noodle gets to taste it

Someone recreate kibble irl and send it

[cinder schooner]

Okay the ingredients are

• Medium Egg.
  I can assume this is just the yolk.
• Beef Jerky.(Depends on Dino.)
  Pretty Simple, add extra ingredient(s) depending on dino/creature you are making kibble of. (EXAMPLE: Place an extra Yolk and if possible paint a few basil leaves brown to replicate the color of the Helena Dossier Dodo's feathers. )
• Long Grass/Corn on a Cob(Optional)
  It would be really hard to implement corn into the Kibble tbh, you cant stuff it into the individual pieces of the kibble, so i think it should be optional(Please tell me if a procedure to include corn can be done.)
• Fiber (30 Grams)
  I do not know how to acquire fiber, but it is in foods, so any kind of food that contains fiber would probably be able to fit in this inexperienced recipe that I am making.
• Water
  Very simple.

For the procedure:
I do not know, however i hope somebody can say how this would become Kibble.(If it even can.)

[mental basin]

... 🤔

[gusty turret]

Are bloodstalkers like actual insects

They lay the same eggs as insects but they don't have the chitinous properties at least i don't think?

[brazen sparrow]

...Have you tamed a Bloodstalker? Or just looked at one up close, even

[sick canyon]

Are raptors like actual dinosaurs?

[gusty turret]

Yeah but they look fleshy<\3

[gusty turret]

I mean technically raptors are birds

"Rather humorously, If a survivor has ingested beer ( Beer Jar), a tamed Bloodstalker's name will temporarily change while under the effects of said alcohol. The possible names are as follows:
Count Dragular
Blerdsterker
Mr. Wiggles
Danger Noodle
Notorious B.O.G.
Bloodletty Spaghetti
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Spoopy Swoopy
Murder Spagerter
Daddy Boglegs
Arachnoodle
Dr. Stabby
Grabby McSlurpy
Creepy Pasta
Free Hugz
Captain Sucky
Man-Spider
Demonic Twine
JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF EVIL"

Never knew this

[bold dove]

They don't look fleshy at all

[mental basin]

They do.

Well, moreso leathery.

Their undersides, I mean.

[gusty turret]

It looks like a very scaley spaghetti noodle

[brazen sparrow]

The legs, sure, they look kinda fleshy and have to be to be flexible, but almost every other part of them is chitinous in some way. Also, just look at their eyes. Almost no known living creatures that aren't insects have compound eyes iirc, so that's also a dead giveaway

[gusty turret]

Technically it can't be an insect

It has the 6 main legs then the other 4 it uses to hold you

It also doesn't have any antennae

Its actually closer to an arachnid....

But also still not an arachnid

[brazen sparrow]

Technically, it can be whatever the developers say it is, because technically it doesn't exist

If we want to go off of technicalities

[ornate hull]

Idk bloodstalkers could be the first alien lifeforms we find

[plain plover]

[brazen sparrow]

We could also all be sucked into a black hole tomorrow, but that's rather unlikely now, ain't it?

[arctic bison]

considering this community i'd rather take that universally low chance of it happening tomorrow

[gusty turret]

I mean in the grand scheme of things not necessarily

The chance is just compiling upon itself constantly

Its bound to happen eventually

[ornate hull]

Unlikely doesn't mean impossible

[brazen sparrow]

No shit? That information and 5 bucks will get you a coffee around here

[valid gale]

hey somthing i never got likly due to have not played much ab

how are there oberlist termanals under the ground, and also who or what built the portal?

[brazen sparrow]

Hoo boy, I wish I had time to explain but sadly I do not

[bold dove]

Tl;dr.
Never confirmed why there's an obelisk terminal in the radiation-zone, but due to the blue-materials on the ground only being found in the tek-cave on The-Island, it's best assumed that was part of the tek-cave at one point.
As for the portal, the old tek-survivors made that.
There was no natural way to get off of the ARK anymore, since they nuked the Overseer (and Rockwell wasn't in full control of the station yet)
And even it did, the ARK would just take them onto another ARK, then another ARK, then another ARK, and being an endless loop.
So to break the look, they made the portal to head directly towards Earth, instead of waiting for the ARK's system allow them to.

[valid gale]

if they made it then why the need to defeat rockwell i get with SE and the isladn because thoeses were trials to prepare yo

you

[bold dove]

Cause 'gameplay'

[valid gale]

also about the looping arks i though the idea was to make people capable of killing the titans but is that wrong because that would not make sense to me if they were never ment to leave the arks until after it was dead

[bold dove]

No, that's the goal.
But the system adapts of how hard it is depending of how out of control Corruption gets.
And the stakes kept getting so high, that no reasonable human could ever be capable of passing what the ARK's deem 'worthy'

[valid gale]

man thats a flawed system

guss it was garanted give it the job of making humeans ready and its going to keep trying until the stars burn out

paper clip factory and all that

thanks by the way for the explanation

highly apreated :)

[bold dove]

np

[valid gale]

ah dont you love it when they do that

[bold dove]

Welcome to every game that doesn't take lore first

[valid gale]

ahhhhh

[gusty turret]

Oh no not until the stars burn out the Arks were already on their deathbed by the time we awakened

[drifting breach]

My friend told me that Helena looks like a baddie

[gusty turret]

I would like to see the notes rewritten to include newer creatures tbh

Since isn't it canon still that Helena has encountered all the creatures to write about them?

[rigid grove]

Which notes? Afaik the new creatures do have notes now.

[gusty turret]

Just seeing things like the dinopithicus in the original notes and not just the dossiers

Then again thatd add tek to the notes and we don't want that pre-abb

[rigid grove]

Or they at least have ingame dossiers, I don't know why they'd add actual lore to them as they are not story creatures.

[north yew]

Are caging beach bob cannon in lore?

[rigid grove]

No lol

[bold dove]

It never states otherwise

And Nerva did do some enslavement. (as he states)

[gusty turret]

Shhhhh enslavement had a negative tone to it lets call it unconsentual servitude

[gusty turret]

Fasolasuchus supremacy though

[lyric tendon]

Not gonna work unless you have to retcon everything that is already established in the old one

Plus the mentioning of "dossiers" has stopped after SE

[gusty turret]

Okay but itd be cool

[stuck rain]

if ark survivors had kids would the child have an implant?

it shouldnt since it came from the womb...

[willow tiger]

Maybe they would though

I mean creatures have implants, right? (On mobile at least) And Id bet their offspring have implants too.

[fallow sapphire]

Visually creatures do not have implants, though not sure on the actuality. It wouldn’t make realistic sense for baby’s to have it, but it’s neither confirmed nor denied to be either case.

[gusty turret]

Its never states in the notes so we don't know

We'll just have to see what TSA says about it

Even though that won't be particularly canon it'll be as good of a guess as we can make

But then do we know if they put children on the arks normally or not

[meager geode]

So I have a question for ark lore, when the genesis ending happens where does the player go? Like do they fall down to earth or to wherever ark 2 is being taken place (I think ark 2 is taken place on a different but I’m not 100 % sure)

[arctic bison]

it's kinda left open for us. At the very end the exo-mek is attempting to dock onto the eden ring, so we can decide if our survivor just floats in space or drops down to Arat (the planet for Ark 2) as a clone or the same survivor in the exo-mek. the last part is just pure speculation on my part

[meager geode]

Ah ok thanks

[quaint marsh]

Children don't get put on the Ark, but they can be born there. That's most likely the case with that one animated series character, unless it's another one of the things they changed for the story

[bold dove]

Not Earth

They fall to Arat, a new planet.
While Flobs is correct on the docking part, he's pulling the rest out of his ass.
There's no confirmation if it's up to us if we're the same survivor in ARK-2 or not.

[arctic bison]

what came out of my ass isn't super far fetched as some of the things we've seen here and you know it

[bold dove]

It isn't far fetched.
But the way you worded it was like it was flat out the case, which is still up in the air.

[arctic bison]

true, it's basicly the whole ''is our survivor in genesis the same one from the Island-Extinction journey or are we a clone'' thing. it's really up in the air

[plush dragon]

Ooga booga

[lofty zealot]

can y’all tell me the lore of ark

[gusty turret]

Uhhhh basically space resource/biotoxin shows up on Earth somehow that can do literally anything and humans of course use it to make weapons which causes a corruption to awaken driving the two main factions to create escape plans for humanity being the Arks and the genesis ship

Thats the basic backstory anyone else feel free to do it better

Heres this

Oops i didn't mean to ping with reply</3

The best way to learn the lore is to read the notes tbh

[bold dove]

You could also watch NeddyTheNoodles 'Survival-Stories'

[gusty turret]

Or watching Sir Neddy's videos

[lofty zealot]

how did the dinosaurs come back

[bold dove]

They where genetically created

[lofty zealot]

too lazy to watch an entire lore video

[bold dove]

No different then having to read a paragraph

[gusty turret]

That and the engrammatic matrix probably played into reassembling dna structures too

[bold dove]

Actually, watching a video would take less energy then reading

[lofty zealot]

nvm you’re right

[gusty turret]

And videos will give more entertainment factor than reading

[deep hearth]

What’s lore?

[bold dove]

The plot/story of something

[gusty turret]

Whats plot/story

[main valve]

None

[brave nexus]

Fr? Explorers notes? Everyone that paved the way? The one who waits? Santiago, Helena, Edmund and Isabelle, the destabilization of aberration? Destruction of civilizations and the creation of homodeus?

The overarching story of ark and all who were tested, including us.

Tbh though the greatest stories are the ones we live.

[quaint marsh]

depends

I like reading

Neddy's lore vids are phenomenal, but I prefer reading the notes. Then I can create my own vision on how things look, without the constraints of the game showing me. It's also fun to theorise things and come to your own conclusions. But like you said, many don't like reading

[tender wasp]

I am the same. I prefer to read and let my own imagination create the visuals.

[lyric tendon]

I have no patience for reading without visuals

The beauty of being part of Ned's Vids is the immersion as in "play the part"

[gusty turret]

I mean i find the notes interesting

It gives you more freedom to interpret it your own way

Most of the notes still have guiding visuals

[mental basin]

Why would you interpret things your own way, when there's very little room for interpretation

The same people I see under Ned's Videos saying 'Room for interpretation!' are always the ones who know nothing about the story.

Saw one saying that the Titans would be roaming after the Reseed Protocol... 🥹

[low briar]

But it could totally happen! Maybe.
We don't really know how long the Earth has been uninhabitable

[bold dove]

No, it can't.

If Titans where able to roam post Reseed-Protocol, then that's a bit of an issue

[low briar]

I was mostly kidding, but we don't really know how other creatures have evolved/adapted during the absence of humans

[gusty turret]

What titans as far as it matters they're all dead

[gusty turret]

Most things probably didn't

Seeing as the Earth is tidal locked half of it is basically in a new ice age and the other half (the one we're on) is baked

The only life around is what managed to exist in Sanctuary and the protoarks

Plus any potential theoretical areas like sanctuary

[low briar]

The border between light and dark was still probably reasonably habitable

[bold dove]

The Reseed-Protocol 'is the EMP blast'

Titans can't be on Earth post Reseed-Protocol, cause they're all dead

[glad crow]

We'd still have normal titanosaurs. They're enormous enough. We don't need bigger.

[low briar]

Deathworms, Space Whales, Magmasaur... Have some imagination! There might not be corrupted Titans, but there could still be something big to surprise us

[bold dove]

No shit

[bold dove]

They're not Titans

Titans are referring to the pure-corruption lifeforms.

And when referring to a 'Titanosaurus' most people call them 'Titano's' for short, to not confuse them with the 'Titans.'

[glad crow]

They're not titans (ark titans), but they are titanic.

[bold dove]

In size, sure.

But when people are talking about 'Titans' in ARK.
It's usually common-sense within the community that they're talking about 'Titans' as in the ones from Extinction.

[brazen sparrow]

We literally just talked about this the other day, titans may live after the Reseed, but it's hard to say, as they are comprised almost exclusively of Element (or so we are told.) But, that raises more questions than answers, as almost every living thing on the Arks has Element in it's system in one way or another via the cloning mechanics and how it uses Element to constitute things

There's also the fact that we may or may not cleanse them of their corruption, canonically

[low briar]

We can control them - at least temporarily - so it's possible they could be cleansed of corruption and continue to survive

Even if not, there's a chance there's other titanic creatures somewhere. Those giant bones in the wasteland and Ice Dome Cave came from somewhere...

[brazen sparrow]

True, there's also the bones on Scorched and such as well, I always forget about those

[gusty turret]

We break them off from the hivemind and they slowly die while disconnected

I'd say its a safe bet that the king dying kills off anything big enough to worry about or maybe even the hivemind in general

Theres still the issue of all the corrupted biomatter and air pollution but that gets purged so

I still want to know how we can huff corruption spores and be fine

I still think its stupid you can't summon the king titan in game via the tamed titans

When Helena quite literally asks you to do that

Maybe in ASA they'll rework it and add some cool sequence for having them tamed and "calling out" to the king so you can actually summon him via having them tamed

[rain dock]

Honestly I don't really see them reworking the titans

[gusty turret]

I wish they would though

Maybe different combat patterns or make them a little bit harder or something...

The king titan is already a relatively difficult boss but the regular titans are so.... Blegh

Oooo now im thinking i can't wait to see the titans in ue5

[low briar]

Is the King hard? I remember smoking him with Beta Titans and some Gigas in my last story playthrough. Alpha King gets bodied by the Mega Mek anyway

[rain dock]

Beta king is the worst one, but gen1 is harder

[gusty turret]

Gen 1 isn't bad if you know what you're doing

A reaper or two preferably and a half decent rhino gets it done

Never had as much trouble with anything as i have the alpha brute bloodstalker😭

[brazen sparrow]

Skill issue

[low briar]

Yeah, Gen1 is pretty brutal as far as general strats so

Only boss I actually failed first attempt on my last story run

[rain dock]

In the end it is ark. So yeah. But it is not trivial like most other fights

[gusty turret]

Ive never done a story run tbh, only reason i ever failed gen 1 though was because i was the only one in my tribe with enough common sense to not bash my head against the brick wall of trying to beat it with rexes

[brazen sparrow]

You can beat it with the standard boss tames, you just have to use the antidote thing for the final phase with the gigas

Still one of the (if not the) hardest boss fight in the game

[bitter nest]

When I learned that all the humans died and your a backup

[gusty turret]

Realistically we can't say when all the non clones died off if that's how we're looking at it

[glad crow]

Question in the System before it developed unrealistic expectations. If a survivor somehow satisfied the requirements, what exactly happens next? Does it initiate the reseed protocol based on one survivor? That seems like a bad decision, but so does sending the survivor alone.

[mental basin]

Why is there an X on this ??

[mental basin]

That's the thing- we have absolutely no clue.

It wouldn't start the Reseed Protocol, that's obvious.

And the ARKs plan isn't to send people back down to Earth. That's Helena's plan.

So... perhaps the super Survivors are just meant to thrive on the ARKs, and push the lesser Survivors out..?

Until only the super-Survivors thrive ??

[glad crow]

I was under the impression that the primary problem with the system was that the definition of a skilled survivor was being raised exponentially, but that it wasn't originally meant to.

[mental basin]

That is. Among other unnamed things.

At one point, there was an 'evolved enough' (we dunno what 'enough' entails though)

And over time, that sort of secondary goal kept getting raised until it was unreachable.

Among, like I said, other unnamed errors.

[glad crow]

Thanks for the detailed answer.

[mental basin]

Have you watched Ned's Short on the System?

I wrote it, that might help clear up any remaining questions you may have.

[low briar]

I'm guessing Ascensions between Arks were made to hone an already skilled and established survivor in new and maybe unexpected environments - I'd assume there was meant to be an 'end criteria' for actually initiating the re-Seed from the Arks (maybe by becoming a new Homo Deus?) but we never see that in-game or lore because Rockwell interfering reasons

[bold dove]

Ask the one that added the X. 🤷‍♂️

[mental basin]

Right on the first part, wrong on the HomoDeus part.

We dunno the end goal.

[low briar]

I'm not so sure. The Arks were meant to be conquered, otherwise they would just be life preservation habitats. The fact that you can challenge the Overseer to Ascend towards a higher purpose seems like a very likely gateway to becoming a new Homo Deus worthy of leading the new age of humanity

[gusty turret]

The thing is you don't ascend towards a higher purpose you just get teleported to another hell hole

[low briar]

You conquered your environment, now try this harder one! It's got sandstorms!

And again, but with deadly radiation and earthquakes!

[carmine cedar]

I wonder if the portal didn’t exist, how many ARKs one would have to conquer to be allowed to earth

3? 4? All of them?

[low briar]

'cept those hazards weren't actually designed to be apart of the challenge... Have fun!

[bold dove]

More or less all of them, due to how out of control corruption got after the ARK's where deployed.

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure it was quite literally impossible without the portal project

If it was possible i don't know if Helena would've sent us to Aberration instead of just straight to Earth

[bold dove]

I don't think Helena did

If I recall right, Rockwell was the one that did.

Rockwell stated "she begged me to beam you to the surface."

[low briar]

SE Ascension heavily suggests Rockwell influence

[gusty turret]

Oh when was that? Im guessing that was a gen 2 chronicle?

[bold dove]

Nope

Aberration boss lines

[gusty turret]

OH

I forgot those got added tbh

[bold dove]

People forget those exists now

[gusty turret]

I also haven't watched the scorched ascension so that's on me

I think Helena probably could've pulled off a code to nullify Rockwell if she really wanted to

[bold dove]

Not how that works, I believe

Rockwell would probably be more powerful, since he's been directly an Overseer for god-knows-how-long, versus Helena that just influences the ARK's.

[gusty turret]

It's not very clear how it works in general she just said she had to suggest miniscule amounts of codes at a time that seemed entirely useless, theoretically there are no stated bounds to that

[mental basin]

They aren't meant to be conquered, that's your first mistake.

[gusty turret]

Tell that to Nerva

[mental basin]

Yeah, for real...

The ARKs as a whole aren't intended to be conquered, they are, quite literally, life preservation domes.

Note, 'as a whole'

[gusty turret]

again tell that to all the extremely dangerous creatures they put on there and the city they wiped out

[mental basin]

Individually, yes. But there is nothing for us beyond that. Nothing that we know of, at least.

And whatever it is, it isn't HomoDeus.

[bold dove]

Right, since the reseed-protocol was intended for the Overseers to initiate, not the survivors.

[mental basin]

To become a HomoDeus is, quite literally, torture.

It's lonely, and with time you completely lose everything you held dear.

[bold dove]

Politicians would be the perfect test-subjects, as they don't have any of those.

[gusty turret]

Joe Biden likes ice cream don't pretend

[bold dove]

He remembers liking Ice-Cream?

[mental basin]

And there would be no point in having that be our 'evolved enough'. That entire subgoal is intended to help us get a jumpstart on the Reseeded Earth, similar to what the Genesis-Project does.

[gusty turret]

I dunno he seems to be drawn by the sound of the ice cream truck

[mental basin]

With the best Survivors all Ascending to HomoDeus status, that would completely subvert the purpose.

[bold dove]

Well, yeah.
The homo-deus skin we get after Extinction has never been canon, nor the intended ending for survivors.

[low briar]

If they aren't meant to be conquered, then why did the SE Overseer get pissy with [Insert Ancient City name here] for just surviving? Why are the Guardians able to be challenged, or why do they exist in the first place? And why would the Overseers allow access to fight them instead of just staying in the shadows?

[gusty turret]

Because its a test

[mental basin]

The Obelisks struck down Nosti, not because they were surviving, but because they were surviving comfortably.

There's no point in having them clutter up the test if they aren't going to participate.

[bold dove]

Cause the point is constant stressed.
They 'conquered' the ARK, so they got punished for it

[restive latch]

And the guardians are the final exam

[mental basin]

The Guardians are a part of that test, same with the Overseers. In fact, thats what HelenaDeus calls them. 'Tests'.

[mental basin]

That would be the Overseer, actually.

[restive latch]

Wym

The overseer is a guardian

All bosses are written down as guardians

[bold dove]

The overseer is an overseer, not a guardian

[mental basin]

They're different things. It might seem like semantics, but the Overseer is above the Guardians.

[restive latch]

Check your dossiae it’s a guardian

[bold dove]

Check your up to date lore

[mental basin]

'Semantics'
They are two different things.

[bold dove]

Dossiers are pretty invalid now a days for lore.
They where made before the explorer-notes where added, and besides the TLC creatured, haven't been updated

[restive latch]

It’s most likely just a label as the titans are also “guardians”

[mental basin]

That's... what were saying.

[restive latch]

Yh

[mental basin]

It's just a label, they're different things.

[restive latch]

That’s what I also said

[low briar]

Nonono, apparently the Arks weren't meant to be conquered - so why where they punished?

[mental basin]

We explained it to you.

[bold dove]

They're talking about the explorer-note tab in the inventory.
How all the boss dossiers are under 'guardians'

[mental basin]

Ye, I know. They're all under 'GUARDIANS' because there's no reason to have different Tabs for all of the types.

[bold dove]

You can conquer something that isn't meant to be conquered.
Doesn't mean there isn't punishments to it.

[low briar]

So it's a test
... a challenge to ... conquer, perhaps? 🤔

[mental basin]

The ARKs are a test of survival, being pushed to your limits as a way to make you stronger than the rest. Nosti wasn't surviving. Nosti was just living.

[bold dove]

Which is kind of an outdated system to bring into lore-talk, no?
This was before they added the Overseer, Titans, etc.
It should be more of the 'boss' tab then 'guardians' tab

[bold dove]

Everything we've said has gone over your head.

[mental basin]

The ARKs individually, yes. The ARKs as a whole, no.

[bold dove]

No, they're not 'meant' to be conquered.

[mental basin]

Not as a whole, at least.

Individually, yes. The Apex Survivors are meant to Ascend.

[low briar]

So it's a test you're not supposed to win because 'reasons', and you get punished for doing well but not well enough apparently

[mental basin]

To 'win' is to become 'evolved enough'.

[bold dove]

But this leads to the issue of stuff like Nosti, of why it sunk of they're allowed to conquered individual ones?

[mental basin]

Can you reword it?

[low briar]

So how is this right, but as a meant of becoming Homo Deus wrong 😂

[mental basin]

My grandma died reading that.

[bold dove]

I just realized what I said.

[low briar]

Ok, doesn't answer my question though

[mental basin]

Read this again, if you're still confused.

All of it, there's like, 6 messages in total.

[low briar]

Proving yourself to the Arks - surviving in a hostile environment with constant struggles - is that not torture?

[mental basin]

Sorry, I guess I forgot to put a Family Guy clip underneath it.

[mental basin]

Yes, yes it is. All in favor of a goal. A goal that would be entirely undermined if HomoDeus was the final goal. For reasons I explained.

[bold dove]

If ARK's individually are meant to be conquered, then why does Nosti sink?
The points of the ARK's (at least currently in the timeline) are to put survivors through constant stress.
Constant stress means no long breaks, no long breaks means you can't settle down permanently.
Permanently settling down in a massive city means new threats are needed to make you stressed.

[mental basin]

Go away.

[bold dove]

GO

[low briar]

Kinda rude

[bold dove]

Rude to exploit the game.

[bronze turtle]

I've never done it before

I wanna do it

I've always done raft

[mental basin]

Are you asking as a rhetorical?

[bold dove]

Go ask this in #general

[mental basin]

Check the Channel...

[bronze turtle]

I have

[mental basin]

[bold dove]

Hang on, I need to contact someone

[mental basin]

Anyways !!

[bold dove]

Back

The fuck is a rhetorical?

[mental basin]

A question that isn't a question.
Asking 'Did you eat all the cake?' to a dog covered in cake.

[low briar]

A question not asking for an answer directly, but asking to make you think or reconsider

[mental basin]

'Why did Nosti sink? Here's the answer.'

[bold dove]

Right, it sinks cause it wasn't stressed enough, right?

[mental basin]

Sí

[rigid grove]

[mental basin]

I'm hungry.

If you're going to spy on us, bring us snacks next time.

[rigid grove]

Eat some element, just don't go full on Rockwell, never go full on Rockwell

[bold dove]

Soooo....would that still classify them as being able to be conquered individually, even though they'll find new methods to fuck you over?

[mental basin]

[mental basin]

To 'conquer' is to Ascend.

[bold dove]

Okay, so we had different inputs on 'conquering'

[low briar]

So let me rewind a bit -
I think the Arks are meant to be conquered in the sense of a challenge to be beaten, not as like 'rahhh, rule the Arks as a dictator rahhh'

In my OPINION their purposes was to test survivors and make sure they were up to snuff. Overcome challenges, hardships, inevitable loss when your favorite Rock Drake glitches into the Element Kool-Aid, ect

[mental basin]

I assume by 'conquer',, you are referring to 'beating'

Right, Bootleg?

If by 'conquer' you mean 'rule',, then Nosti wasn't 'ruling' anything.

The New Legion would be different- hypothetically, let's say they succeeded in taking over The Island.

[bold dove]

When I mean conquer, I mean akin to what Nerva was trying to do.

[mental basin]

They would be perfectly fine, for a certain amount of time. If Nerva kept training himself and his men, with results, they'd be getting closer and closer to that 'speed-evolved Survivors' mark.

If he just kinda stopped getting stronger, stopped SURVIVING, it'd be all over.

The New Legion would be destroyed by the Obelisks.

But they didn't get that far.

That make sense?

[bold dove]

Ahh.
So the issue isn't if you conquered the ARK you're fucked, it's if you stop being stressed/surviving, then you're fucked.

[mental basin]

Yes! Exactly.

Nerva could've conquered the ARK, wiping other Tribes as they appear, and he'd be fine.

So long as they presented a challenge.

[bold dove]

So how come small survivors like Rockwell didn't get fucked over, since I'd say Rockwell was pretty chill when he was on The-Island?

[mental basin]

He's just one man, the Obelisks wouldn't smite a singular person.

[bold dove]

That'd be funny though

[mental basin]

Very.

[low briar]

Sorry, work has me a little distracted
Continuing rant
-OPINIONS-
Once a survivor proves themselves they can challenge the Guardians and then Overseer as the ultimate survival test. If they lose, they ded. If they win then they move on to the next Ark. Official lore seems to suggest they're given a choice of where to go next.

Assuming they 'beat' all the Arks, I believe survivors will have earned candidacy to become Homo Deus and start the re-Seed protocol back on Earth (Deus can't be corrupted, right? So they'd be safest assuming Earth is a complete corruption shit hole.)

[mental basin]

No on the HomoDeus thing.

Also, I'm gonna go do dishes.

[bold dove]

I could also see the ARK's trying to coax survivors into more stress.
I.E with Rockwell, adding something annoying near his base like a microraptor nest, just to make him stressed.

[low briar]

Which part of the Homo Deus thing? Corrupting? Or becoming? I know you don't agree with Becoming, but these are my opinions on how I understand the lore

[mental basin]

Becoming.

[low briar]

Fair

[gusty turret]

America wouldn't know about the second half of that statement, neither would the British

[mental basin]

There is no 'opinion'. While there is no set answer, that certainly wouldn't be it.

Maybe they would've been grinded into goo, I have no idea. But it's more likely than the HomoDeus theory, unfortunately.

[low briar]

But until we know that answer, there's a chance it is it

[mental basin]

I gotta go now.

[low briar]

So I continue to believe my theory/opinion

[mental basin]

Boot, you take the helm.