#lore-nerdz

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mental basin
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So it looks like the Genesis-Ship launched, same with the ARKs, and the few remaining humans were wiped out by the Titans, in combination with... y'know. The shortages and shtuff.

bold dove
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Genesis 1-2 suffered just in general, both lore and gameplay

mental basin
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Soskin said that Sanctuary became the final bastion for the last remaining humans.

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Which is kind of sad, taking the Tekxt into account.

junior surge
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Yeah which is sad sense i really enjoy the genesis part of the story

mental basin
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They were trapped in the city, abandoned by everyone else. They didn't board the ARKs. They didn't board the Genesis-Ship. They were left to die.
And with rationing and lockdowns.... they did.

junior surge
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But as for the whole rockwells arrival to earth, i got a feeling an Ark 2 dlc is gonna go over the earth events and show what happend after the arks return, like rockwells transfer and everything else that happened on earth

mental basin
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Then the garden fell silent. unamused_m

bold dove
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I just wished they would instead give some minor content updates spread throughout a year, then gave a DLC next year, then work on minor content updates again while mostly working on a DLC, then releasing it again the next year.

mental basin
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I need to sneak it into a summary video...

rain dock
bold dove
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HLN-A could easily come back, due to her being a 'AI'
But yeah, no, Rockwell's fucked

rain dock
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Could, but I don't see it likely personally

junior surge
bold dove
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If the explosion didn't kill him, then him now being stuck on a gas-giant, and living through such fucking high pressure sure will.

rain dock
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Ark doesn't really do flashbacks, because it isn't really a story game

junior surge
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A full on dlc that explains the past is what im getting at

rain dock
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If they start making it into much more of a story game with cinematics and such outside boss fights it'll be a big nope from me lol

bold dove
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They could allow another studio to make a spin-off, but I doubt that they'll ever do a flashback DLC

junior surge
rain dock
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When I play a game I don't want to have to watch a load of cinematic crap that eats my short game time

bold dove
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Skill issue

rain dock
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Lol

rain dock
bold dove
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Actually, they might.

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Since I doubt he had enough time to do any destruction.

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He booked it to Arat-Prime and left his body.

rain dock
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Only Bob was still alive though, the rest of the people where cryoed

junior surge
bold dove
bold dove
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One blast from the ARK's and he's fucked

rain dock
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Oohh, you are thinking that he fought the rest of the arks?

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I doubt it

bold dove
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He wouldn't be dumb enough to go out and waste time to kill

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Cause they can just do their EMP blast again, and get rid of him

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No one knowing his existence was his advantage to survive.

junior surge
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Its never said that the emp thing can work multiple times its likely just a 1 and done thing that was planned to purge the corrupt element from the soil and thats it

rain dock
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Its possible that then Gen Rockwell is a clone of the ab one

rain dock
junior surge
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Because they also didnt take to account, the element was constantly evolving making the ark protocol have to adapt in response, basically causing an infinite loop to happen to where survivors were seemingly gonna be never ready to reclaim earth due to the corruption evolving so rapidly and causing the protocol to override and make the humans in them have to evolve in response

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So its likely they had that protocol as a 1 and done element purge effect to get rid of all the bad element but likely Rockwell survived due to his tie as an overseer

rain dock
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Maybe. Honestly I am not too picky about it lol, ext is my least favorite map lorewise

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It feels unfinished, and even with a throwback note I doubt it'll feel any better

junior surge
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It didn't really have much in terms of lore besides character stories so its one of the weaker ones which definitely deserves an expansion of wtf happened with earth after the recall

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Sense earth may have been safe, but with rockwell seemingly uneffected from the cleanse of bad element, it likely caused a fair bit of bad stuff to happen to earth if rockwell did do something there to cause chaos but then again, humanity likely pushed him out before he did something to cause any permanent damage

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Another loose end that wasnt tied up was if diana and mei yin died from the titans, corrupted, or if they were cryoed. Unless i missed that part in the lore notes

rain dock
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Ext is a whole pile of loose ends thst kind of got scrapped imo

junior surge
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I got a feeling theyll wrap up extinctions loose ends, theres way too many loose ends with a finale of a part of a story

lyric tendon
bronze turtle
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I love the Arat design and I'm glad they're fighting us but I hope they'll be a way to maybe make peace sometimes like during events or even spare them during a fight

junior surge
bold dove
bronze turtle
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That'd be cool as hell

bold dove
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There's a 'dark force to seek to control all life' thing on the store-page, so the Aratai's could be the threat of Act-1, and this 'dark-force' could be the main threat for the rest of the game, while we're allied with the Aratai's

rain dock
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I am betting it is element again

bronze turtle
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Most likely maybe we'll learn more about it

lyric tendon
bronze turtle
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I read somewhere that scorched is technically after genesis in the strory, but i cant find it anymore. Any truth to that?

arctic bison
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the only thing even closely connecting scorched to genesis is that the magmasaur was tested there before being put into the simulation from gen 1. But story wise Genesis is long after scorched and the whole Island/Arks -> extinction story

gusty turret
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After the genesis launch yeah? But like storyline wise for us, no

gusty turret
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urban violet
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Eny one have spare dinos they wanna trade I have a tek force field to offer and a cupped other structures or I can grind a resource for u

gusty turret
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I didn't read that note

mental basin
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NOW. ⛈️

bronze turtle
bronze turtle
limber snow
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Rockwell attempting to resist the urge to kill dozens in the name of science

lyric tendon
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he doesnt resist, he did it because he have to

near jungle
rain ruin
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Yo, i have a lore related question, in which order should i play ark maps to see the story in order?

arctic bison
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The Island -> Scorched Earth -> Aberration -> Extinction -> Genesis part 1 -> Genesis part 2

rain ruin
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Ok thanks, another fast question

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I already played the island to end, i have seen online people saying Scorched earth does not have ||ascension or final boss?|| how do i "end" it to start aberration?

fallow sapphire
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It has an ascension now, the “final boss” is the manticore

rain ruin
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Oh, well thanks m8 did not knew

fallow sapphire
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Before, it would just be beating the manticore then uploading and downloading

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Now you can actually ascend to aberration, and it’s a pretty cool ascension ngl

rain ruin
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Oh well, another week with red eyes for me then, thanks for answering

fallow sapphire
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No problemo

brazen sparrow
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You do know the Gen 2 Santiago takes place before the Extinction one... right? Let alone in a time when he still has his old, callous mindset like he did on Aberration

mental basin
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Doesn't matter. Still Santiago.

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Santiago is Santiago *points at table

bold dove
arctic bison
brazen sparrow
brazen sparrow
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I hate Ark 2 chat, I'm going to the store to ignore it even longer

mental basin
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Diana died in an orbital carrier collapse

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It would've been kinda cool if Di brought it up, and Kazuma had different memories

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Missed opportunity imo

gusty turret
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This place is genuinely worse than every American political debate

lyric tendon
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not sure you dislike this chat while you stayed here for the "entertainment"

gusty turret
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I never said i dislike it i just said its worse than every American political debate

mental basin
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Grrrrr I don't like what you said, clown emoji clown emoji

lament raft
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i dunno. there's a lot less cursing and comparing to satan/hitler in here

mental basin
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Imagine if that was modern political debates

gusty turret
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Like 'oh yeah? Well you're an idiot!'

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It needs to be 'you think this happened in lore? You must be a satan worshipping communist'

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Itd be entertaining

brazen sparrow
mental basin
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Like a toddler kek

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Anyways back to ARK lore

dawn stirrup
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What is the canonical boss difficulty?

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I figure the appearance would be the gamma skins, but difficulty wise, what would it be? Same for ascension, which one is the “true” ascension?

bold dove
dawn stirrup
gusty turret
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I assume you mean the implant lorewise? As far as i know that just doesn't change with ascension, ours would only actually canonically change when it was stripped from us in the Extinction ending

gusty turret
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At least for the overseer and king titan

bold dove
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Overseer would be five alpha Overseers at once, and the King-Titan most likely three alpha King-Titans at once.

brazen sparrow
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The thing literally changes from cutscene to cutscene (sans Scorched, for obvious reasons). I think it's safe to say that it's canon that the implant visually changes 😂

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Though, from Island to Scorched and Aberration to Extinction it only changes once, not three times, to be fair

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Even the cutscenes denote this

dawn stirrup
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Another question, do we as the survivor canonically fight the gamma or alpha king Titan? Appearance wise

brazen sparrow
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Appearance-wise? I don't think that's ever stated, but assumed to be the gamma version as the other bosses are

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Or, well, I guess the dossiers for him lend credence to the fact that we might fight both? Idk

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Both, that's my final answer

dawn stirrup
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Maybe we fight him once, he retreats, and then he comes back as alpha and that’s when we get the true ending

lyric tendon
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Given Helena waited years for anyone to beat the King Titan

bold dove
gusty turret
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Unless it is and i just don't recall

gusty turret
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Unlimited powahhhhhhh

gusty turret
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When you think about it the survivor kinda is a galactic custodian

mental basin
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That's literally what Rockwell said in the sim

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On the scale of the simulation at leasttttt

gusty turret
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Are we going David Tennant on David Tennant

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We traveled through space just to stop David Tennant

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In a way you could consider us a doctor stopping a doctor

gusty turret
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Im curious cuz I'm not sure I've ever seen him talking about custodians in the sim

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Unless you were talking about something else

mental basin
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He called us a custodian for debugging the sim

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Twice I think

gusty turret
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Oooo okay i was thinking how he said he killed some people I don't remember what he called them i thought he said custodians though

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Like one of his innard monologues

gentle pawn
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is extinction the fourth or last map in the story line?

broken star
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The first storyline, yeah

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Genesis is kinda sorta a seperate story that's tied in with the first

gentle pawn
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oh cool

broken star
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think of it like...

Season 1 is Island -> Scorched Earth -> Aberration -> Extinction
Season 2 is Genesis 1 -> Genesis 2

gentle pawn
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oh

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ty

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never knew that

broken star
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"Season 1" is about the Arks and saving Earth from the corruption
"Season 2" is about the Genesis spaceship and Rockwell's shenanigans on it

mental basin
bold dove
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It's called a 'story-arc'

dawn stirrup
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I wish the Carch had an ingame dossier, feels weird having it on the island without any story tie-in

brazen sparrow
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Does it not? Coulda sworn all the free DLC dinos now had dossiers as of the voiced note/switch content update...

dawn stirrup
dawn stirrup
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How do we unlock the Carch dossier?

arctic bison
dawn stirrup
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Ah

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Wait, so Carch is officially canon then?

brazen sparrow
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I think you can either tame one or claim a baby, since they wanted to account for people who already had tamed them iirc

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But yeah, all the free DLC creatures are canon, always have been

dawn stirrup
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Yoooooooooo

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Do the free DLCs besides Carch spawn on any story maps now or not?

brazen sparrow
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I don't believe so, besides the ones who already did via missions in Gen 1 & 2

dawn stirrup
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Shame

brazen sparrow
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Just do what I do, and consider the free DLC maps as irrelevant but canon via association to the canon dinos 😅

dawn stirrup
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I feel like if they were to get added to story maps, these are what maps would suit each creature best:

Griffin: Scorched exclusive
Ice Wyvern: Maybe extinction? Not so sure about this one, maybe gen 1 would also work
Deinon: Aberration, Gen 1 and 2 (yes I know it’s in missions but I mean on the actual maps)
Amarg: The island, aberration, gen 1
Sino: The island, maybe aberration
Dino: The island, EXTREMELY MAYBE Scorched, because Rafiki
Rhynio: The island, Scorched, Extinction, Gen 1
Fjordhawk: Scorched, Gen 1 and 2
Andrew: The island, scorched, aberration, gen 2
Desmodus: The island, scorched, Gen 2
Fenrir: …yeah this is where I draw the line, possibly the Master Ai of the snow region in Gen 1
Tropeo: The island, Gen 1

brazen sparrow
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Fair assessment

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An aberrant Amarga would be sick as hell

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But so would any of them lol

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Especially deinonychus

dawn stirrup
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I can also see Sino on aberration, but it might take away from the value of the wingsuit

dawn stirrup
arctic bison
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i think there's already/was a abberant deinonychus at some time on valg, but wasn't used just like abberant spiders and dimorphodons

dawn stirrup
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Updated the list, thoughts?

arctic bison
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what about the Desmodus, fjordhawk, Andrewsarchus and Fenrir from fjordur?

dawn stirrup
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How the hell did I forget my favorites?!

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Fixing this egregious error

arctic bison
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''inhales'' Ark community ☕ approven

brazen sparrow
arctic bison
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it's been like 3 years since i've seen one 🤣

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fjordur gave abberant megalanias the light of day they deserved, would've been nice on aberration for climbing around vertical heights before getting rock drake stage

dawn stirrup
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Error fixed, please check new list

brazen sparrow
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I think the spiders are actually supposed to spawn in one of the maps, but they drop normal non-aberrant eggs when bred lol so they're kinda unfortunately coded

dawn stirrup
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And NO, I’m not adding the crystal Wyverns!

brazen sparrow
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Desmodus in the Scorched caves would've been sick nasty, no lie

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Or even in the crevasse where the bees are

dawn stirrup
brazen sparrow
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Yeah, I think so. Due to the whole mythology vibe that Scorched brings, I think giant vampire bats would fit

dawn stirrup
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And I suppose it could be a component of the manticore…fine.

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And here I was thinking I hadn’t added it yet, my brain is fried

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Okay okay, the list seems to be complete now, ima go post this in main chat and see what people think

brazen sparrow
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Fair enough

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The tropeo was on The Island at one point, and it was pretty fitting tbh

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Just before release of Crystal iirc

bold dove
rain dock
brazen sparrow
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Would it really, though?

rain dock
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Lol, yeah

brazen sparrow
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It would give you a reason to actually bring flyers into the Manticore fight 😂

rain dock
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You would get instapicked constantly

brazen sparrow
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What about them (when wild) is so OP?

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I mean, obviously that'd be a hazard, but a welcome one

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Manticore is dummy easy

rain dock
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Getting picked is op. You wouldn't be able to ride your fliers, and if you get picked and dragged over to the boss it's a rough one to survive on foot

brazen sparrow
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Meh, I've beat him on foot before

rain dock
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So have I, but it's like doing the monkey on foot. You can, but it's really annoying

brazen sparrow
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I guess, but that's taking into account that you didn't bring any dinos to hop back onto, or didn't just... proactively bite and kill the thing as it came at you on your rex/wyvern, lol

rain dock
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I mean, if there weren't many of them sure

brazen sparrow
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But if everyone complained about getting picked, you know they'd just take it out anyways lol, turn em into a tamed style one that doesn't pick

rain dock
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May as well not add them lol

brazen sparrow
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I was thinking like 10 or so spawn per wave, and only at designated times like the other creatures in his fight

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It would add to the aesthetic of the map imo

rain dock
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Sure

gusty turret
brazen sparrow
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Not really, especially since there's already very little reason that one of them was able to keep themselves on. No reason it couldn't have been two, tbh

dawn stirrup
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If anything, it’d make more sense for Fenrir to survive, in mythology he’s incredibly smart

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Do y’all think dermis’ should be available on other maps and not just extinction?

broken star
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There's no real reason that only moeder survived, yeah. the whole conceit about every biome having a master AI and them all being kilt is working backwards from only wanting one miniboss, which is fair

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If they wanted to they could add one back in as a glitchy resurfacing code or Rockwell experimenting with making his own master AI or whatever

broken star
dawn stirrup
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Also, when do you think they’ll add voiceovers for the other notes?

waxen flame
dawn stirrup
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On story maps

rain dock
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You can Spawn in the tool. It works on every dino

dawn stirrup
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Without cheating

brazen sparrow
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You can go to Extinction, learn the engram, and then make it on any other map

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INB4 "No I meant in order" 😂

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But nah, I get ya, it's just an unfortunate idea that was kept limited for some reason

brazen sparrow
dawn stirrup
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Maybe I’ll just have to go into creative, seems like it would make sense for taxis to be available on all maps

rain dock
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It's like the canoe. A phenomenal early game thing great for the island that you don't get to until really late

dawn stirrup
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I kinda like the canoe being gen exclusive only though, fits the vibe more imo

rain dock
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Gen has no use for a canoe lol, you have a tek suit

dawn stirrup
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Gen 1

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Also, what do y’all think is canon, transferring a survivor over to the next map after ascending with all your previous engrams, or keeping the survivor but restarting engrams?

broken star
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I mean based on the explorer notes, the same survivors and all they've learned moving on to the next map alone

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Although even in the jump from aberration -> Extinction they brought their aberration stuff with them

dawn stirrup
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Do we gain enough levels from ascension to learn all the new engrams?

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Alpha, to be precise

rain dock
broken star
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Yes?

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"Okay let's put the Astrodelphis saddle on a level that is literally impossible to reach"
"Great idea, frank!"

dawn stirrup
rain dock
rain dock
dawn stirrup
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I mean island to scorched

dawn stirrup
broken star
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Are you trying to get all the engrams at once?

rain dock
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Make a mind wipe and don't get useless engrams

broken star
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That's not going to happen

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Just craft mindwipes when/if you're running low on points

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They're pretty cheap

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I'm always sitting on thousands of unspent engram points because I mindwipe fairly frequently to do crafting sprees

dawn stirrup
broken star
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You do not have enough engram points to unlock every single thing at once. You have to pick and choose

But also do not worry about it. Most of Scorched Earth's items are garbage anyway, especially singleplayer

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Spend points on what you need when you need them, don't try to dump them all every time you level up

dawn stirrup
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What engrams are useless on the island?

lament raft
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compass

broken star
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Whip's about the only thing you're really going to want day to day singleplayer and even then it's a situational item most of the time

Desert armor is generally worse (but admittedly more stylish) ghillie, most of the rest is extremely specific to Scorch's enviroment

lament raft
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note, wood sign, flags paintbrush, wardrums, etc

dawn stirrup
broken star
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But seriously like... You don't need most of the engram points you do have. I'm literally sitting on 11,000 right now unspent chilling

dawn stirrup
lament raft
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well yes but you can save those for later

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compost bin is useless too, get urself a beetle

dawn stirrup
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What do you consider the threshold of late game?

broken star
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The way to use engram points is that they just sit in your inventory and then you're running around, you go up to your crafting area when you've got a plan and go "I need a smithy", so you spend the points to buy the smithy engram and then craft it. Etc

lament raft
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late game would be rex/spino/theriz saddles

broken star
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I wouldn't worry about that either, again, especially singleplayer. go at your own pace and don't worry too much about what you're expected to have when but like... Also don't make it hard on yourself for no reason

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we're straying very far from lore lol

dawn stirrup
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True, but… oh well

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Y’all think equus have a ridiculously low spawn rate on the island?

brazen sparrow
rain dock
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really?

brazen sparrow
dawn stirrup
brazen sparrow
brazen sparrow
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And level to max?

dawn stirrup
dawn stirrup
brazen sparrow
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That's why, like I said, you need to do all ascensions and then you can have all of them, give or take a few levels (you end up with more points than you need in SP)

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Also, don't learn most stuff from Scorched, as others have said, and don't learn saddles unless absolutely necessary, since you'll be farming for BP saddles eventually anyways

gusty turret
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All the other dinos are fine and cause no disruption but adding a second master ai causes a little bump in the lore that needs to have more effort than its worth to smooth out

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That would call for all new lore to be written, all new notes and voice notes for the glitch associated to be recorded, a new area on the map for the arena teleport, a new snowthemed arena, it just makes logically no sense from a lore and resource investment standpoint

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Especially for a studio working on a new game, an animated series, a new dino, making sure their new game mode and event works

dawn stirrup
frail dragon
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what's the lore behind evo mountain cave having the same plants as swamp cave but not being poisonous

dawn stirrup
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What do you mean by “Evo mountain cave”? Do you mean the tek cave?

brazen sparrow
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He's a troll, ignore him

arctic bison
lyric tendon
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pretty much

mental basin
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Sounds like an iceberg entry

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I might even add it to the iceberg if it's interesting

arctic bison
mental basin
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Wait

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That's goofy

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Well I'll add that next to "Mammoth water-carry"

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Because yeah

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Post-TLC Mammoths can hold water

arctic bison
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and even fill your water bar if you do it in water

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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Rockwell probably had nose teeth

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He had everything everywhere he was a mess

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Helena should've just given the megamek thrusters and let us shoot down the genesis ship, change my mind

bold dove
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Everyone has nose teeth

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They're our nose-hairs.
They gobble and consume any particles that come into our nose, and leave only clean air to inhale. (ignore the fact that it'll build up. That's just the nose-teeth's multiplying)

mental basin
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Rockwell on Ab had scraggly, thin old man facial hair

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I didn't even notice it for years

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Once you see it, you can't unsee it

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And it looks really weird, he kinda looks like Uncle Vernon

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But Rockwell in Gen1 looks like how Rockwell would describe his young self

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Kinda like the new Pokémon leader in Scarlet

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And then Rockwell in Gen2 is just a racist hillbilly

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He's got black hair for some reason? And a neckbeard? And.. ginormous lips.

lyric tendon
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luscious lips

gusty turret
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He just got plastic surgery

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Its kinda like Keeping up with the Kardashians except its Reading up on Rockwell

glad crow
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I'd watch that. Imagine Rockwell going through all his new fleshy growths (or whatever Kardashians do).

frail dragon
frail dragon
frail dragon
gusty turret
# bold dove Everyone has nose teeth

I know i skipped over this initially but never say that again or i will show up at your office with a plasma bomb because i don't wanna be cloned then some lady will force you to relive it hundreds of times only for you to wake up landing on a new planet and say "ah, revived again"

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My question is how the hell did Santiago leave a note behind talking about it if he was already dead

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It wasn't even Santiago it was just a simulated version of him nabbed from his matrix

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🤨🤨🤨

rain dock
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Santiago has prescience confirmed

gusty turret
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Im waiting for someone to actually explain that

broken star
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My personal hot take that you cannot convince me out of: Nameless are mutated humans

lyric tendon
broken star
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Nothing else makes sense

lyric tendon
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blame the writer

bold dove
gusty turret
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Theres no reason to believe they're mutated humans

bold dove
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There's also no reason to believe otherwise

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There's no evidence of what they are/used to be, so them being humans is as reasonable as literally anything else.

gusty turret
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Their spawn code is chupacabra and they fit the description of a chupacabra, its not like a chupacabra would be the only mythlogical creature on any ark

bold dove
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Getting information from Marc is nice, but the reality is that anything he says that hasn't been established already can easily just be false for ARK's actual story.
At any moment, Peter/Wildcard can confirm previously unconfirmed stuff that contradicts what Marc had in mind.

bold dove
gusty turret
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But this isn't about what he said, i have no idea anything that hes said they just fit the description of a chupacabra and that is their spawn code

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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But it fits the description

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If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its probably a duck

bold dove
gusty turret
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Oh my bad

lyric tendon
bold dove
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You can not tell me with a straight face that a hominid 10-Million years ago looks the same as modern humans. Drakesip

rain dock
bold dove
rain dock
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Aaahh. So it's a fantasy thing

bold dove
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I was using a fantasy creature for an example of another creature that's based off of a fantasy creature

rain dock
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And it threw me for a loop lol

bold dove
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Wendigo's look nothing like humans, but they are in fact mutated humans in folklore.

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Nameless look nothing like humans, but they 'could' be related in a way.

gusty turret
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But a chupacabra is meant to look like a reptilian kangaroo and tell me what a nameless looks like

bold dove
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It has more skin then scales.

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And it actually does, in fact, have strands of hair around its body in the dossier version

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So this means it's either mammalian-based, or is related to mammals.

lyric tendon
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the nameless is supposed to have spines IIRC

rain dock
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Lol, I actually saw something they called a chupacabra

bold dove
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Yeah, looking at them right now both dossier and in-game, they look more rodent-like then reptile-like.

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Also, Chupacabra is their internal name of what they're based off of. Not their actual species. 💀

gusty turret
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should i drive this towards chaos or order

bold dove
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Reapers are called 'xenomorphs' cause their lifecycle is very akin to facehuggers and chestbursters, not that they're 'literally' xenomorphs

gusty turret
bold dove
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Try better. DesmoSip
Rollrats are breedable, so we know what their babies look like

gusty turret
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They're deformed baby rollrats that get spartad into the molten element.

bold dove
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Hear me out

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They're deformed humans that got sparta'd into molten element PoglinFuego

rain dock
bold dove
rain dock
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In the definition of the word?

gusty turret
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Theres a few of those

bold dove
rain dock
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I think Greek lol

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Xeno just means foreign

bold dove
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Also, from what I can find, you're thinking of the word 'xeno'
I can't find any definition outside of the Alien franchise of 'xenomorphs'

rain dock
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Well, because the actual word is only used in that franchise. But the Greek root for xeno is just foreign or alien, and morph just means form or shape

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Put together it just means alien lol

bold dove
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Right.
Also, I'd argue that reapers aren't aliens, since they are in fact native to Aberration post-destruction

rain dock
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Yeah that's the point I was making lol

bold dove
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Shit

rain dock
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Technically they are xenomorphs lol

bold dove
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I meant 'aren't'

rain dock
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Which just means aliens

#

They come from ab, so technically they are alien

bold dove
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But they're native to Aberration.
So they wouldn't be aliens, since they're not foreign to the ARK

bold dove
gusty turret
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But they're foreign to like all other life

broken star
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/late yeah Reapers are just called xenomorphs in the files because they're all a big Aliens reference

gusty turret
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Theres a difference between dinosaurs/evolved creatures and science fiction freaks of nature that have been creatured to attack people

broken star
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Reapers always seemed to me like they were just a defense system that got out of hand

bold dove
broken star
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Like, theoretically you could burrow deep into the island and find reapers there too in its technological guts to fend off any survivors that managed to get there

rain dock
bold dove
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The dinosaurs in the ARK's are literally 'science-fiction freaks of nature that have been created to attack people'

broken star
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Reapers don't super fit the ecosystem because they were never supposed to be natural creatures

bold dove
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Iirr, Genesis-1 states that they're genetically created.
So they're not natural

bold dove
gusty turret
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Exactly so they're foreign compared to dinosaurs

bold dove
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They fit into the ecosystem, cause the ARK made them

bold dove
broken star
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I mean, the ark made them so they exist and live. That doesn't mean they're like, healthy for the ecosystem or anything

#

Aberration is not a normal Ark by any stretch- Very little of how it do is how an Ark is supposed to work

bold dove
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We're forgetting that Scorched created Wyverns, and The-Island had Giga's.

broken star
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As it literally does in the explorer notes several times

bold dove
broken star
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Yeah

bold dove
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And they fit into the ecosystem

broken star
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So like

bold dove
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They're Apex-Predators

broken star
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Aberration in particular but the whole Ark system is slowly dying.

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As is said in the She Who Waits notes

bold dove
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Yes, I know this

broken star
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These weird-ass animals aren't supposed to exist

SE in particular seems to have generated the wyverns, in part, to try to destroy Nosti when it realized "Oh hell this tribe is too alpha and they're not even raiding beach bobs"

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... dune bobs?

bold dove
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Yep, that's how ARK's work.
Anything else?

broken star
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Okay now I think you're just trolling because you're aggressively hostile to what I'm saying and then just agreeing with me

bold dove
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And just like nature, new creatures introduced into ecosystems will either integrate into said ecosystem's, or die off. (or kill the ecosystem as a whole)

broken star
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Okay so like. Just because something is there doesn't mean it's good it's there, or it's supposed to be there.

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You can drop a polar bear into a kindergarten and that doesn't mean that polar bears are suddenly native to kindergartens

bold dove
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A kindergarten isn't an ecosystem

rain dock
bold dove
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If you drop a polar bear into a jungle, it'll die.
If you drop a group of polar bears into a jungle, they'll either tear apart the ecosystem, or become one with it.

rain dock
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Ecosystems are systems because they can adapt to new environments

bold dove
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And most of the time, a species coming into a new area wont kill the ecosystem.
If that's the case, we'd have no ecosystems now a days

#

It's called 'migrating'

broken star
#

Oh god almighty being in this discord drains my intelligence every day.

Yes, invasive species exist. They're not supposed to be there. And they are very often bad for biodiversity

bold dove
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Until they again, integrates themselves into the ecosystem and everything else adapts to fight against the new threat.

rain dock
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Bro probably still lives with a middleschool understanding of ecosystems lol

bold dove
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That's what I'm saying. 💀

rain dock
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Tbh, nothing is supposed to be anywhere.

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The fact that is works together is what makes it an ecosystem lol

bold dove
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It's bad, yeah.
'On such a minute level'
Evolution and adapting happen, things will be fine and the ecosystem will heal over time.

rain dock
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That's why it's a system lol

bold dove
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Only time foreign things are destructive to a ecosystem, is when it's a species literally eating the ecosystem faster then it's adapting.
Which at that point, is just natural selection

rain dock
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Cats for example

bold dove
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Exactly.

rain dock
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And people

bold dove
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Or humans, and destroying more resources then we need

rain dock
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Not really reapers

#

Tbh, reapers are among the least invasive species, because they only show up when there are people around

bold dove
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Right.
Reapers are integrated into the ecosystem of Aberration.
Same with Giga's, and Wyverns.
Yes they where foreign at first, and destructive, but the ARK's adapted to their presence and now just chills with them.

#

As ecosystems do.
Cause nature is badass, and it's 'REALLY' hard to extinct a whole species

bold dove
lyric tendon
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i dunno if y'all forget that the creatures that are mythical are just "plopped" in existence

broken star
lyric tendon
#

"we have less wyverns because some scrub killed them all?" plops more wyverns

bold dove
# broken star it's really, really not

For humans, it isn't hard cause we have the tools to kill at a mass level.
But if we still survived off of the land without tools, yeah, it's really hard.

broken star
#

Cats have bodied so many animals completely out of existence and they're not 30 feet tall bulletproof murder lizards

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probably

bold dove
rain dock
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Cats can do that because humans protect them and feed them when they starve

bold dove
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And the species cats have made extinct are skill-issues.

rain dock
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Otherwise the cat to bird population would mostly stabilize

lyric tendon
bold dove
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Cause birds would adapt to 'not go near cats'

#

I just fucking realized.

rain dock
bold dove
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Touche

lyric tendon
bold dove
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Nature is the universal biggest contributor of the 'skill-issues'

rain dock
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I thought it wasn't 100% confirmed that humans did that

lyric tendon
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humanity is just OP, it's advantageous for any animal to be reliant on humans now

rain dock
#

There were other significant factors involving dodo extinction

bold dove
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Can't find food cause you can't smell for shit?
Skill issue!!
Can't hunt a prey cause you're not adapt enough to do so?
Skill issue!!!!

rain dock
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Species going extinct is just how ecosystems work. The only reason it's bad is because humans are responsible for most of it, and are responsible for destroying ecosystems

bold dove
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You have Ebola and now dying a horrible death?
Should've put more points into constitution. DesmoSip
Oh, and also 'skill issue'

lyric tendon
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that made me feel like "conservation efforts" is just delaying evolution through opportunists filling the missing niches but that is just me

bold dove
rain dock
lyric tendon
#

nature can still bounce back after previous extinctions, this is no different unless we atomic bomb the core of the earth

rain dock
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So many unique ecosystems have been completely destroyed by humans

bold dove
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But there's an odd beauty to that, since a new ecosystem will emerge from the ashes that we're helping, after we fucked it up.

rain dock
bold dove
#

Nature is truly badass

rain dock
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There is an inflection point past which the planet can't recover

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Planetary science 101

lyric tendon
#

hell animals in australia managed to fight back against the cane toad invasion, native birds managed to adapt by eating its liver

bold dove
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Isn't there some life in Chernobyl that have adapted to the radiation in it?

bold dove
rain dock
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Probably, but no life can adapt to too much greenhouse gas lol

bold dove
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Been playing ancestors the humankind odyssey. So I've been in the mood for nature talk

rain dock
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The whole planet could flip from a hot planet, into venus like the flip of a switch lol

bold dove
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Now I'm interested. Drakesip

rain dock
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If the greenhouse effect goes past the oceans ability to absorb it, the planet will go into an irreversible cycle leading to a venus like environment

bold dove
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Ahhh

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So basically 'fucked'

rain dock
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The whole climate craze 20 years ago happened when people didn't understand how much impact the ocean had. But now the ocean is approaching its limit

bold dove
rain dock
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Right now.

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100%. In 30 years? Very possibly not

bold dove
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So in other words.....
We need to move to nuclear fusion for power, or solar/wind, and switch our vehicles beforehand.

rain dock
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Well, stopping mining limestone for concrete would be a big thing too

bold dove
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True

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Or I also guess try to make Mars livable with domes and such.

rain dock
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That's not a fix lol.mars will be dependent on earth for centuries at least

bold dove
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Fair

#

That'd just be delaying the inevitable, versus actually fixing the solution.

gusty turret
bold dove
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Oh yeah, I'm an ass

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@rain dock By the way Raq

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I think you might've been half wrong about the ocean

rain dock
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Oh?

#

There is a possibility of that

bold dove
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"Despite being treated as humanity's rubbish dump for decades, the oceans of the world are proving remarkably resilient, says a new scientific review. Building on that resilience could lead to a full recovery within three decades, the researchers argue"
That sounds like it has 30 years till it 'recovers' due to how resilient it is, not till it can't take in more greenhouse

rain dock
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I mean, it goes both ways

#

My 30 years estimate I kind of pulled out of a hat

#

It could go bad though

bold dove
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Nah, that's from an ass and a half. PoglinFuego

rain dock
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We can't rely on the ocean to did all out problems if we don't do anything about it

bold dove
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Oh yeah, defiantly.

rain dock
bold dove
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But I was just trying to see if there's a more accurate estimate.

rain dock
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The ocean could help the earth recover, and given the chance it will. But we haven't really given it the chance

rain dock
bold dove
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Right

rain dock
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It's mainly because the heat absorbtion curves are asymptotic, but it's notoriously difficult to get the actual true values to predict it

#

The heat and gas sink of the ocean only further complicates it

bold dove
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I see

gusty turret
#

I still never got an answer on how Santiago wrote a note while being just an emulated Santiago in the simulation

glad crow
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Was it a digital note?

lyric tendon
#

All Santiago notes are digital notes

So it kinda makes sense that he can do that in a sim

gusty turret
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But hes not even the real Santiago he's just a simulated version

lyric tendon
#

I finally know why it's called "Scorched Earth"

Not because the biome is a desert, It's like a point of no return, passed redemption

Also the same how Nosti ended up, "wiped, Scorched Earth"

gusty turret
#

I know this is shocking, but the same goes for aberration

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And Genesis

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You could probably work out one for Extinction but it seems pretty plainly laid out to me

lyric tendon
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Genesis doesn't makes sense to me at first because I thought it's the origin of the ARKs but I realized it's a Genesis to ARK 2

gusty turret
#

I feel like it being called the eden ring was a pretty good pointer towards it being a biblical reference

#

You can look at rockwell as the snake tempting Adam and Eve into biting the apples they aren't supposed to

#

Gabriel would probably be Adam and or Eve

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Even though Gabriel is a biblical name in and of itself so-

#

Theres definitely more to that but I'm in class right now so i can't really take a deep dive into it

mental basin
#

Genesis-Project
Beginning-Project

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A plan for a new beginning on Arat

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How did you miss that bweh

bold dove
#

Literally, the whole storyline of ARK is one big biblical recreation.

#

It's like Halo.
Recreating biblical events with sci-fi stuff.

#

It's pretty long.
You want a short, or long version?

mental basin
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Okay, go to NeddyTheNoodle on YouTube and watch his Summary Series

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It's not complete, but it's a good start.

#

You should watch Summary Series. Then Survival Stories.

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No problem. I helped write the Summary Series, so ping me if you have any questions.

bold dove
#

Short version:
A meteor crashed down on Earth sometime in our future.
It has Element in it, which can be used as a infinite supply of energy and resources.
Wars break out for it.
So much war that it polluted Earth with Element since using Element releases spores.
Spores turned into corruption.
Earth is in a dead-ish state, but beforehand humanity made the ARK's and Genesis-ship to preserve life.
All life on Earth die afterwards, and any remaining life is on the ARK's/Genesis-ship while everything (more or less) is dead on Earth due to the corruption

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Yep.

mental basin
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That's like 1% of all lore. Explaining this game is so painful.

bold dove
mental basin
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I thought you said you only played The Island.

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Mmmm fair enough.

#

Anyways, ping me whenever you have any questions. I'm ready and willing.

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No. Crystal Isles has no lore.

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Only The Island-Genesis: Part 2 .

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Nope. Only the Maps on the top.

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The rest are just for fun.

bold dove
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There's a reason why they're seprated from 'story-ARK's' to 'custom-ARK's'

mental basin
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Yeah, because the story ARKs are objectively better kekeke

bold dove
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We don't know

mental basin
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We dunno. And that's a question for #ark-2.

bold dove
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You don't have to ask

#

They have a open-source dev-kit for ARK-1 currently you can use

gusty turret
gusty turret
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Its entirely possible that the front half of Ark never happened

gusty turret
#

T o o m a n y s i m u l a t i o n s

lyric tendon
#

wat

#

i think you deserve my nickname more than i do

gusty turret
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And the chronicles prove its possible for the arks to just be simulated

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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I never said its true i just said its possible

lyric tendon
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the chronicles dont give much extended lore info aside from "am i Helena?"
that is why i brushed it off as doubious

gusty turret
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Except for the part where Rockwell says "taking a tour of the old haunts?"

#

The chronicles are within the simulation therefore the arks can all be simulated

lyric tendon
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even rockwell tbh

that fits more for the grad students than pre-portal Ab

gusty turret
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Where do the grad student thingys even come from i see people talking about them but i have no idea what that comes from

#

either way we have no way to know whether we are the one who tries again or if we're just someone being ran through a simulated version of the memories of the one who tries again

#

that could partially explain why Rockwell doesn't seem to recognize us in gen 2

#

I think this is one of the less bad theories that anyone has ever said here

lyric tendon
gusty turret
#

Not true

#

People disagreed with the guy who figured out the sun was the center of our solar system too

lyric tendon
#

unlike that guy, we have the evidence that debunked your claim

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it's called peer review

gusty turret
#

There is absolutely no way we can actually tell if we're who we're supposed to be or if we're just a simulated version of ourself to prepare someone else to fight Rockwell

gusty turret
#

It's still by far not the worst theory anyone has ever come here with, we know the arks are possible to simulate, we know that Rockwell for some reason gives literally zero recognition towards us and has no idea why HLNA is so clingy with us, and he only refers to us a recently thawed out puppet, the idea of us being someone else that was run through the actual survivors memories and is just being used as a method to fight Rockwell on the ship isn't insane

#

Unless details are revealed in Ark 2 that prove otherwise

#

It could also explain the boundaries in Extinction as more than a gameplay feature, they could be the bounds of the simulation hence why we kinda just melt away when we try to pass them out of ghost/god mode

#

Even though that's not how the boundaries work in genesis 1 still

bold dove
lyric tendon
gusty turret
#

Technically it did happen just possibly not to the character we play as in gen 1 and 2

bold dove
#

That's up for the player to decide.

gusty turret
#

But why would Rockwell not recognize us if it wasn't the case?

bold dove
#

He does.

gusty turret
#

He certainly doesn't act like he does

#

He acts like a dementia riddled old man talking about his days back in the war (no one knows which war and everyone is too scared to ask)

bold dove
#

As he says "you all look the same"
He recognizes us in the chronicles, but then doesn't in Genesis 1-2.
Because they left it open for you.

lyric tendon
#

we did not kill him in Ab, it makes more sense that he knew "us"

#

he only called us "her puppet" IIRC

gusty turret
#

He doesn't recognize us for most of the chronicles otherwise he wouldn't be confused why HLNA was so clingy with us

bold dove
gusty turret
#

It's not like he wouldn't have been watching us after we beat him, if he knew us he probably would've recognized we were special after watching us whoop the titans too

bold dove
#

How in the living fucking god would he be watching us all the way on Earth?

gusty turret
#

The same way he knew Helena ascended?

lyric tendon
#

huh

bold dove
#

In which how did he know Helena ascended?

gusty turret
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Im gonna assume i know what you meant and say because when he became overseer he gained insight into the system so he could see what she was doing? Im not quite sure where its mentioned but it was the explanation that i was given by someone in here when i was asking questions so

bold dove
lyric tendon
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i dont think he knew she ascended since she left Ab in an unorthodox way

bold dove
#

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but until someone finds the note where it's stated. That's just a theory that he knew. (not that he was in the ARK's systems. He 100% was)

gusty turret
#

Im tryin to find the conversation hang on

lyric tendon
bold dove
#

That also have different notes per map

lyric tendon
#

r o c k w e l l

bold dove
#

Which Rockwell?

lyric tendon
#

lmao

bold dove
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That wasn't a joke

lyric tendon
#

hang on

bold dove
#

Island, Scorched, Aberration, Genesis 1 MCM notes, Genesis-2?

#

Chronicle notes!?!?!

#

And before you say

#

It's defiantly not Aberration's note 30, since that one is just Rockwell crying for help.

gusty turret
#

Discord won't let me jump to the message but it was sent by stel on January 26th at 11:59 am

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So ask Stel how Rockwell and Helena know about each other not me im just using the information i was given

lyric tendon
#

#28
Primitive! Savage! How dare you? You are nothing! I am a god! How dare you?

Hate you! HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! Where have you banished me? What is this place? What is this feeling? Everything. Yes, everything. The earth and the sky. Every stone and every crevasse. I feel it all. What is this place? What am I?
#29
I am beginning to understand. It was hard to comprehend, for my eyes are still newly opened.

I did not used to see as I see now, nor did I speak as I speak now. When I speak, it is not to a man. They are lesser beings.

When I speak, I speak to this place, speak to the ARK, and it speaks back to me. It tells me secrets, things that I never could have understood as I was before.

It whispers to me of something greater, a plane ever higher than the one I walk now. We can reach it, the two of us. The ARK and I. Together.

bold dove
#

I know easily how Helena knows about mutated Rockwell.

lyric tendon
#

i will kick discord in the ding ding

bold dove
bold dove
lyric tendon
#

🤷🏽

bold dove
#

I already know he was within the ARK's systems. veggies

gusty turret
lyric tendon
#

i dont see how he knew about Helena "ascended"

bold dove
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But nowhere in there does it state he knows any information about Helena.
That also seems to be right after he made the floor collapse on himself, so Helena was probably still human on Extinction at that point

gusty turret
#

Unless hes just phrasing reading the information from the Ark weird it sounds like the same way Helena was "whispering" to Mei and Diana

#

I also recall him mentioning Helena squandering godhood? Whether he means her failing to use her powers in the way he approves of or her not seeing his vision im not actually sure

bold dove
#

Nah, that's the ARK itself.

#

ARK's are semi-sentient

#

Or could be the Homo-Deus from the Overseer.
Since they most likely just destroyed the physical shell that was the Overseer, and the Homo-Deus inside of it is now plipping in and out of reality.

gusty turret
#

Wouldn't that overseer already be long gone

#

Or homodeus rather

#

Wasn't like the whole point that they were just the shell now

#

I mean like with Rockwell being in the system and Homodeus basing themselves pretty much entirely in the system how wouldn't he know of anything else happening though

bold dove
gusty turret
#

Hed probably have access to being able to see the corruption levels getting lower, hed probably be able to see respawning being implemented, he had to know something was up

bold dove
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Nothing The-One-Who-Waits is suppose to be taken literal, it's mostly riddle talk cause "me big brain now"

gusty turret
#

I think i like the "we don't trust Helena" ideology

bold dove
#

Which is that?

gusty turret
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Just the thought process that Helena should not be trusted

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(it was one obscure message and has never been brought up again i just like it because she makes things confusing)

bold dove
#

Oh, I do believe that.

#

Not because I think she's bad.

But because I just don't like her

gusty turret
#

I don't think shes bad either

#

Actually

#

She made the annoying robot, shes bad

lyric tendon
#

she is a self-proclaimed dumbarse

junior sedge
#

im with rockwell

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#rockwell did nothing wrong

gusty turret
#

The last time i said something about joining rockwell the mods deleted it so i should probably not say it again

brazen sparrow
#

Y'all are goofy as bruh

bold dove
#

Oh no, fuck Rockwell also.
I just said that cause I hate Helena. DesmoSip

brazen sparrow
#

That's not even remotely to what I was referring but

bold dove
bold dove
brazen sparrow
#

Then why not just reply to them in the first place?

bold dove
#

Sometimes, one forgors

brazen sparrow
#

Skill issue

sinful heath
#

Anyone know the story/lore of the frozen character behind the Artefact of the Strong on The Island? Screenshot is on #fanart-and-screenshots

gusty turret
#

It's probably some guy that froze tbh

sinful heath
vagrant locust
#

Anyone know what the deal is with the titan terminals

#

Do we summon them? Call them to us?

#

I thought the world was overrun by the titans

#

Also the boss holograms make it seem like there is only one of each of them. I thought there was multiple of the same kind (except the king)

lean bobcat
#

Headcanon because I played Genesis 1 for the first time yesterday: Rockwell hacked the system and changed the difficulties to make bog listed as “easy” so that he could watch people suffer as they got spawn killed by kapros 29 billion times

lyric tendon
vagrant locust
#

I see ty

#

they have the power to create such beasts as the overseer or the ultimate guardians like dragon, megap, etc

#

but dont send any after the titans? 🤔

lyric tendon
vagrant locust
#

?

#

so what anything they sent after them got corrupted?

lyric tendon
#

corrupteds pop in instead of a normal tame but that's in the wasteland

pseudo nimbus
#

Corrupted creatures are more OP in lore

gusty turret
#

Imagine how much damage a shapeshifting robot god could do to some corrupted

#

If a crappy little mek Santiago designed on the spot could do it im sure a shapeshifting robot that was certainly worked to perfection could do at least something

gusty turret
#

Canonically taming the titans was also a viable method for luring him out but in the game itself i believe you have to kill them which kinda sucks if you ask me

bold dove
#

Corruption can take over both organic and inorganic matter.
As seen in Extinction and Genesis-1

#

This means, by bringing Overseers over to Earth. All you're doing is fueling the armies of the Corruption, since they'll just take over the Overseers bodies.

gusty turret
#

But why didn't it take over us or the megamek

bold dove
gusty turret
#

Its still inorganic matter

bold dove
pseudo nimbus
bold dove
pseudo nimbus
gusty turret
#

Because i was referring to what you said with it taking over inorganic matter?

dawn stirrup
#

So what’s the deal with mini hl-na notes? Do we collect them in between extinction and gen 1, after genesis, etc?

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The ones on the pre-gen maps I mean

mental basin
#

The only canon Chronicles are the Extinction Chronicles.

#

All Chronicles info is canon, though.

#

Make sense?

dawn stirrup
#

So…. How would one collect them “canonically”?

mental basin
#

We don't.

#

They don't canonically exist in the game world.

#

But the information received from them is accurate to the lore.

#

Again, Extinction Chronicles ARE in the game world, and are also canon to the story.

#

We don't actually go out with HLN-A and explore the ARKs, or go back into the Genesis Simulation after Genesis: Part 1 outside of Genesis: Part 2 Missions.

#

But the information she's giving us IS factual.

dawn stirrup
#

So if we were to hypothetically but not canonically go do do that it would be between gen and extinction?

mental basin
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Uh, I don't think it matters, because again

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We do not

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And even if we HYPOTHETICALLY did go back to Earth after the events of Extinction, it would be irrecognizable.

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I now realize that's now even what you asked.

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Genesis 1 Chronicles would take place after Helena was beamed into the Simulation by Mei-Yin and Diana, but before the Survivor entered.

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Genesis 2 Chronicles take place after Genesis: Part 1, but before Genesis: Part 2. Which is kind of funny, because the gap between Gen 1 and Gen 2 is only a couple seconds.

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@dawn stirrup, that's your answer.

dawn stirrup
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Thank ya : )

bold dove
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I thought Chronicles aren't canon, besides the information they give off.

mental basin
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She says it herself. TOWW.

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Ext Chrons are the only ones that are explicitly stated to be canon, and fit into the timeline.

bold dove
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Like, it'd be weird to have a random terminal off in the corner of the arena for the Overseer fight, then in the hallway with said terminals.

mental basin
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Yup still there

brazen sparrow
mental basin
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Helena's just a bit quirky with da Note placement

bold dove
mental basin
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I'm playing Tales of Arise rn so I can't find it

brazen sparrow
mental basin
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But she says explicitly says that 'Yes I put these here, and yes you're supposed to be reading this. You specifically.'

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She even addressed collecting them out of order

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Which is very cool to me

bold dove
brazen sparrow
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They have element in them, and hence are not inorganic

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Checkmate, atheists

bold dove
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Which Overseers (assumingly) also have Element in them.
Also, iirr, Helena does flatout state Element is an inorganic metal in its harden form during the Extinction notes.

mental basin
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Counterpoint- the Overseers also contain Homo Dues

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Therefore... actually

bold dove
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Which was made with the power of Element

mental basin
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Homo Deus aren't even carbon based

bold dove
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That too

mental basin
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So are they really organic

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I guess they are organic, just another reality's version of organic

brazen sparrow
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Energy + "living"=organic

bold dove
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But Overseer's are just physical shells for Homo-Deus's, no?
So strip them away of their shell, and they can't really do much anymore.
The actual abilities of the Overseer's I assume are tied to the shell, not the Homo-Deus itself.

mental basin
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They're not, think of Helena

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Helena can do everything and everything at her own free will

The others are slaves to the System, so it kinda makes sense for them to be within the Overseers

bold dove
mental basin
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I dunno why thats being brought up

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But it would be inefficient

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Maybe

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Actually I think if you sent maybe 100 or so

bold dove
mental basin
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Oh yeah 100%

dawn stirrup
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When would it make most sense for the survivor to start making use of tek equipment a lot? Like suits, weapons and structures

brazen sparrow
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Aberration, probably, since element ore

fallow sapphire
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well and according to grad student notes there would technically be tek supplies lying around on ab

gusty turret
bold dove
gusty turret
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They defended sanctuary against hordes of the corrupted for hundreds of years so they obviously have something going on

bold dove
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If I recall right, they're barely mentioned in the notes.
The titans invade Sanctuary (again, iirr) so they didn't really do much.

dawn stirrup
brazen sparrow
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Well, imo, maybe the fabricator and some structures, like the cloning chamber and such. Just QoL stuff, but take it to Scorched with you once it's made as it helps there more, then leave it all there once you go to Aberration as every map post-Scorched has mineable element in one form or another

gusty turret
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So canonically speaking, if element was accessible on the island I'd say it would be the same stuff the tek tribe on abb did, mostly armor and weapons

bold dove
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Well, who to say it isn't?

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Rockwell found his sample of Element in the Manticore arena.
This can easily apply to The-Island.
Nerva and the Iron-Brotherhood wouldn't care, cause to them it'd look like a chunk of rock.

gusty turret
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I mean I don't think there's any mention of anyone having found anything like element? I may be wrong and I know it not being mentioned doesn't mean its not there but it seems unlikely there was any openly available source of element that just no one found

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We probably wouldn't be able to learn how to actually use the element until Aberration even if we did gain access to it beforehand

bold dove
brazen sparrow
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That means almost nothing in the context, lol

lyric tendon
lyric tendon
gusty turret
lyric tendon
mental basin
lyric tendon
mental basin
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Sí

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That said according to her the experience is no different

lyric tendon
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would that overseer based homodeus can do that as well if that was the case?

quaint marsh
# gusty turret I don't think the tribal wars are really an excuse in that regard, everyone resp...

They couldn't and didn't, which is why he eventually teamed up with Nerva. Rockwell wanted human subjects for his tests, but the only tribes willing to provide him with that were ones that had most likely captured/enslaved people, as they were mentioned by Rockwell as "involuntary subjects." Rockwell rejected the offers because of that.

Been a while since I read the notes, but eventually I think Nerva and Rockwell and Nerva got together because Nerva wanted special soups, and Rockwell saw potential in Nerva's actions

glad crow
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Didn't Nerva also want an advisor or is that just what he says to access the dishes?

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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But he could however just ask people to give Helena things and they would unless im misremembering that detail

quaint marsh
gusty turret
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I know he was powerful and renowned enough to get Helena free stuff and safe passage I've been saying he was well respected by basically everyone on the island this whole time

patent snow
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helena built the whole gen 2 by hand what happens next is shocking 😱

mental basin
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You. 🫵

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I love your profile picture.

patent snow
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W

broken star
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Nerva didn't really have much interest in the recipes. Rockwell was the main one who initiated the partnership because he clued in pretty quickly that Nerva would be a useful pawn (He was kind of a douche even in his Island days, despite what Helena thinks in her notes or the SE/Ab intro cutscenes)

gusty turret
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Did you expect a Victorian era British man not to be a douche ever in his lifetime?

mental basin
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He didn't see him as a pawn initially.

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He saw their relationship as beneficial for both parties.

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It was only after they spent a little time together that he realized the partnership could lean farther in his favor, than Nerva’s.

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And even then, he wasn't horrible. His falsehoods have tangible logic behind them, which he backs up.

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Did he have ulterior motives? Yes, but it was all in the name of science.

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I personally can't blame him for that, until he hits Scorched Earth. Then he just loses his shit.

glad crow
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What's a little genocide in the name of science? Honestly if he was a little less paranoid he could have opened up to Helena and borrowed her moral compass. He did great things but ethics are lacking.

gusty turret
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again this was a victorian era British man, if i recall correctly they were known for eating mummies, ethics and morals are way too high of a standard

glad crow
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Hence Helena instead. He respected her before he thought she went behind his back.

dawn stirrup
mental basin
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In Rockwell's time they were past eating mummies

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But they weren't past unwrapping them at parties

bold dove
mental basin
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Oh, oh, look father, mummy got me a... mummy. A rotting corpse.

bold dove
mental basin
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Only one way to find out.

bold dove
gusty turret
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Somebody surely took a taste or two at a party, just to see what all the hype was about

mental basin
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I mean it's kinda like jerky

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Or so I'd assume

quaint marsh
gusty turret
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I think you sounded a bit too sure the first time to go in and correct yourself now

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We know what you did

mental basin
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I regret nothing.

late crescent
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Any active mods in this channel?

rigid grove
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If you require moderation assistance, message Dodo Mail at the top of the members list.

late crescent
rigid grove
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Also said to message Dodo Mail for moderation

late crescent
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Yeah it's just a link to a fantastic lore video series of ark. It wouldn't let me post in here so I figured a mod might be able to. Not really a moderation issue so I didn't know where to properly suggest it.

bold dove
late crescent
bold dove
late crescent
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I figured but I just found him and love the series. When I couldn't post a link I wanted to see if somone who could, would.

bold dove
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Yeah, bit depressing you can't post here. But aye, spreading the word also works

late crescent
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His new aberration vid just came out and that's what i found first. It was fantastic and I've now watched them all.

bold dove
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What did you think of Rockwell's transformation?

late crescent
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Whoever he has doing the character does a great voice for him. Playing ark as much as I have I knew what was comming but, it is pretty cool to see the notes turned almost movie form

bold dove
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Ah, I meant the animation. But I love the voice-acting also

late crescent
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The animation is great. I've seen all the game CGI before being a PvP offical main but never in this RP style and not in a consistent timeline. My past experience with the notes was so dispersed I never really got "the story".

bold dove
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CGI?

late crescent
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Yeah like the parts they pulled from the Rockwell boss fight

bold dove
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What parts?
I don't remember pulling any animation from the Rockwell fight. DesmoSip

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The animations, like Rockwell's hand breaking where custom-made. Drakesip

late crescent
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I just went back and watched the end of Helena walker vid (the last one I watched) I guess the shot is from inside the arena and not even part of a cut.

bold dove
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Ooh wait, Helena of which map?

late crescent
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Scorched

bold dove
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Ah, that's a custom-made hall-of-history.

late crescent
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Take it you worked on this project?

bold dove
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Animator, main body-actor for Rockwell, and suto-writer for Rockwell's notes. Drakesip

late crescent
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Well from a technical side you guys did a fantastic job with the camera angles, character movements, sets all of it. Made me be able to spend hours enjoying the overall story of ark and understand the lore much better. Thanks for the work ya put in. I've got over 500 days on this game myself so I know that wasn't quick haha.

lyric tendon
bold dove
lyric tendon
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fair point, potato man

bold dove
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🥔

lyric tendon
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spudwell

bold dove
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🦤

marble willow
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Genesis 2... Why is it raining inside..

carmine cedar
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Artifical weather system

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Powered by the artificial sun

wary ruin
eager raft
void turret
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Does someone know the answer to this?
In Genesis 2 explorer notes, which survivor was a combination of two people?

lyric tendon
void turret
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Thanks!

mental basin
lyric tendon
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both

mental basin
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???

lyric tendon
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arent Gabriel have split personality as well in the later notes

gusty turret
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That was certainly a sentence

lyric tendon
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english is not my main language

void turret
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In the genesis 2 explorer notes, who was the first person to discover HLNA'S presence?

Does someone know the answer?

mental basin
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Kingdom of Science for the win! evil_g

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We dunno.

void turret
mental basin
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Maybe it was us, maybe it was Nida, maybe it was Gabriel.

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We have no idea.

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Why do you ask?

void turret
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I'm doin a treasure hunt on my pve cluster.

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You have to find 25 bottles spanning across Ragnarok, CI and Fjordur.
Each bottle has a clue and some GK or lore related question.

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This is the 25th bottle and the final question.

mental basin
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Who made it to Arat Prime first would probably be a more answerable query.

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Actually I could think up quite a few...

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How many times has Santiago been cloned?
What was Helena's goal?
How did Helena and Rockwell Ascend on Scorched Earth?
How did Rockwell get onto the Genesis-Ship?

compact zenith
mental basin
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Aberration wasn't crushed.

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It crashed during the Reseed Protocol.

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And he got to the Genesis-Ship via Arat Prime.

bold dove
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It 'crashed' if you meant that

gusty turret
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I could see crushed as a word that could be used

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You just kinda gotta bend how you're looking at it a little bit

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Much more of a crash absolutely, some might even say a splatter

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But i think you could use crushed if you were very meticulous in the phrasing of justifying it

languid whale
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This is always a great channel to come to when I’m bored

compact zenith
bold dove
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👍

quaint marsh
gusty turret
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And he technically chose Nida? I guess it depends if you consider him getting noglined him choosing rockwell or not

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But he did give Nida that dagger to help her get out so

royal fulcrum
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Vin diesel lore?

gusty turret
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Big buff man hit things stronk go boom

quaint marsh
# royal fulcrum Vin diesel lore?

Man stars in good movies
Man becomes rich
Man likes videogame
Man becomes influential in the company of that videogame
Man adds himself into the videogame

quaint marsh
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Yeah, I feel that in the end he chose to help Nida but died in the process

gusty turret
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Gabriels notes got pretty difficult to comprehend at some points

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I was gonna read back over them but i think the wiki got a lil hijacked or something because his second note is just "He was the first survivor" -Maik GoreCore

quaint marsh
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Are you on the fandom wiki or wiki.gg? The fandom one has been... changed

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Kept seeing small irregularities in the Island notes, small small changes for funnies

gusty turret
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Oh uh- i guess i was on the fandom one i just clicked the first one that came up when i searched it

gusty turret
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Its odd theres no way to like, report irregularities or something ?

rigid grove
gusty turret
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Alright thank you

gusty turret
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Theres been shockingly little talk of Ixion in general-

gusty turret
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Whats the current consensus on how element came to Earth? A meteor?

bold dove
gusty turret
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When's the time frame of that meteor? Would that be after what we consider modern times, towards the forming of the two factions? Or back when Earth was still forming and getting hit by meteors and such constantly?

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If we know that is

bold dove
gusty turret
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Then there was element on Earth before the meteor anyways right? Isn't that what Ixion proves?

bold dove
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From what we know in The-One-Who-Wait notes, it came from a medium to small-ish meteor. And since Element can self-replicate, it could be grown, and basically have a infinite amount

bold dove
fast ore
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No

gusty turret
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Gabriels other mind

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The cultist

bold dove
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Oh, right.
That fucker was crazy, so I don't take anything that personality said seriously.

gusty turret
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That night I dreamt I was heating Nida's Element in a crucible, fixing its volatile form into material with endless potential.

I poured the result into a mold to cast a blade, hammering to fold the metal again and again, to strengthen it and work out its impurities.

As I lifted my blade to inspect its edge, I saw an unfamiliar reflection in its mirrored surface-the face of a sorcerer or cultist.

I looked around myself and saw that I was in a vaulted chamber of some dark catacomb, the center of its ceiling open to the bright, full moon overhead.

From the shadows of the chamber, a disembodied voice praised my work on the blade...

I woke in the warren of chambers under the garden, unsure of myself.

Was I a prospector bushwhacked by an Anglo mob in the country of the Mother Lode, or an ancient alchemist honing his mystic arts under the Mediterranean shore?

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Thats note 6

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If it is meant to be taken seriously that confirms the existence of element at least as far back as the Romans?

bold dove
gusty turret
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Well i mean he says he was heating element, possibly some form of element ore? I'm not sure but he identifies what Ixion was using as element so?

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I may be dumb too im not sure thats just what im seeing

bold dove
fast ore
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Hehehe ha

bold dove
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I thought Gabriel was heating up Element, and that process made him have form of flashback.

gusty turret
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Thats not how im reading it?

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He asked Nida about element in note 5 and in note 6 he's asleep and going through Ixions memories

bold dove
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Could mean Element has been on Earth, or could be Ixion metal casting

gusty turret
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Its possible Gabriel is just bad at identifying element- but how can you misidentify a glowing violet substance?

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I dunno i guess its just something for discussion, its very possible im just misinterpreting what's happening but i figured it may be something to bring up and discuss incase im not

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Whats the chances it wasn't already on Earth though??? We have no idea how long its actually existed and with the amount of meteors that impacted Earth in the last few billion years?

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But then again if that note is meant to be taken seriously that implies that gods actually exist in the Ark universe and that is a difficult concept to prove...

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Or Ixion was just delusional and hearing voices-

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Yeah you're right hes definitely crazy its hard telling

bold dove
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Yeah, like I said. Hard to take anything they say seriously. DesmoSip

gusty turret
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Its still worth keeping in mind though

quaint marsh
gusty turret
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Pikmin instead of just frowning upon how i read it via reactions can you explain where im making my mistake in interpretation?

brazen sparrow
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It's... a dream, homie. You're simply doin to much when it's a dream by a split personality and assuming that it means there was element at the time when the split personality is from

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Let alone a cultist, whom are rather typically insane in the first place and shouldn't be taken at face value, might I add

gusty turret
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Its a dream but it is a dream of Ixions life since they are combined as two in one body

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Gabriel is still the one in front watching what's happening so unless hes insane too he probably knows what he saw

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I would compare it to watching a movie- its not like reading a story where we don't know what the narrator is actually doing, Gabriel is watching it happen, from the eyes of Ixion he could surely identify what was happening

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Unless its just Rockwell screwing with him which is another completely possible scenario

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But theres also an infinite amount of other scenarios so why not just accept it at the face value of "he dream of other mans life and shows element existed a long time ago"

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The gods existing thing isn't even that far fetched either- its literally a dinosaur game with magic space metal there's absolutely no reason a god couldn't have created element

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Infact what besides a god could have created element

lament raft
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a highly advanced alien species that got consumed by what they made?

gusty turret
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And before anyone compares it to the flood from Halo the flood from Halo isn't a magic material that can do literally anything you want it to

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Weapons energy barriers structures it literally does everything its unreasonable that that's made by anything short of a god

lament raft
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any technology that is sufficiently advanced is akin to magic to a lesser advanced species

gusty turret
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But its not magic it just literally does everything

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Thats why its called element theres just no other name that makes sense for it it is the element

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So the god Ixion is worshipping is Serapis?

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Just a brief google search of information

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As he was linked with the afterlife and transformation, Serapis became known as a redeemer god and savior who granted believers eternal life

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I dunno about you but thats an interesting connection to element granting eternal life in a way and also an interesting connection to Gabriel being redeemed in the end

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Serapis has only been mentioned once before now y'all have been slacking on discussing Ixion stuff ngl-

gusty turret
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Ooo theres a whole wiki page dedicated to the cults and worship of Serapis during the Roman Empire I'll have to read that tomorrow

quaint marsh
brazen sparrow
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It's a dream of a cultist making a (more than likely) sacrificial dagger to use in the name of his god, replace the dreamy element with literally any other metal and it's the same dream tbh, minus the element description which is clearly (imo, may not be clear to everyone) Rockwell's doing, as he is the one who finalized Gabriel and put him to the test, most likely implanting some kind of subservient predisposition to see if he could make his slave army that way

mental basin
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Finalized? He was already in the Simulation sometime before Rockwell took over iirc

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Rockwell saw him and coaxed him out

brazen sparrow
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The framework for him was there, yes, but he wasn't made until Rockwell did some fiddling. He's only a engram in the system (not the sim, per se) by the time in Santiago's notes where he's first mentioned take place

mental basin
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Where does it say that Rockwell made him.

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I'm not saying it's untrue, I want a source.

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Or reasonable evidence to prove so.