lore-nerdz

[honest nebula]

If she was not gay before I would understand

[brazen sparrow]

It was stated by the devs early on that she was

[gusty turret]

Even though they kinda made Yongki go crazy and become a bomber.....

[brazen sparrow]

Conveniently, everyone seems to have forgotten that fact

[honest nebula]

That was the guy who killed Santiago 2 because he was ago against having his family downloaded and a database of everyone who lives right?

[brazen sparrow]

Context clues indicate that he was doing it to destroy the engram storage so his family wouldn't be replicated, but Santiago stopped him

Just at the wrong place at the wrong time, ol' Santiago

[honest nebula]

Then he came back

[gusty turret]

Words of wisdom

I just wish the animated series was used as a device to fill in plot holes rather than making it a separate universe then the games

And to like smooth things over

[fallow sapphire]

To fill in plot holes over taking creative liberty would make it a boring show… great for lore peeps, but boring outside of it

[tropic ice]

Okay, I have a proposal but I want to make sure ARK lore would allow it.

okay so I propose ARK II's final boss is the "Poglin King" It would be a gaint poglin that summons all of his poggers smaller pog poggers poglin pog friends. After you out-pog all of the small pog poggers poglin pog friends you can try and outpog the poggers poglin pog king. If you fail you must restart the process fighting the pog poggers poglin pog friends if you manage to out pog the poggers poglin pog king you can do some damage to the poggers poglin pog king and then you will start phase 2 out of 4 where he will split into imposter poggers poglin pog kings and you need to try and out pog all of them, the one you can't out pog is the real poglin king. Then you need to start a pog battle with the poggers poglin pog king and then if you win you can do more damage to the poggers poglin pog king. Phase 3/4 will be like phase 1 but far more difficult because the pog poggers poglin pog friends with be higher level and there will be more of them. Phase 4 is all of the phases combined plus the pogggers poglin pog king grows to be a crazy pog size which will be very difficult to out pog because of the poggers poglin pog king's immesne poggers pogginess. If you can out pog the poglin king your reward is the abilty to out pog anything in the game.

[grave linden]

ant i already made it clear the nameless at the very least are mutated jerboas

[gusty turret]

Uhhh im pretty sure they're actually chupacabras🙄

[grave linden]

that is the spawn code

[gusty turret]

Exactly

[grave linden]

but what does that count for

spawn codes have nothing to do with canon

[gusty turret]

Idk everything about it kinda does scream chupacabra

[grave linden]

then you get a jerboa next to one and everything hits you

[tropic ice]

Holy Shit

[gusty turret]

You can't tell me if the ark decided to make dragons on scorched it wouldn't make a chupacabra on Aberration

[tropic ice]

I think it's chupacabra and a jerboa that decided it was going to work, and they made it work. Now we have nameless because the chupacabra and the jerboa couldn't agree on a name.

[grave linden]

they are like jerboas in the movement bone structure the stance everything a jerboa is a nameless has inhanced due to intense element exposure and they have also adapted to cave life perfectly blind hairless vulnerable to uv light as they do not require it

[gusty turret]

Then why are they and the reapers buddies

Cuz a reaper would definitely eat a jerboa and not think twice about it

[tropic ice]

Nah, it's just the outcome of a chupacabra and jerboa having a good time at a bar and then going home

[grave linden]

the ark took the mutated jerboas and simulated a scenario that'd force them to mutate far further creating the monstroucity known as reapers

[tropic ice]

Because the reapers are the chupacabra's step cousin 7 times removed. duh

[grave linden]

as far as overseers go

[gusty turret]

I think the overseers were just all really into pop culture

[tropic ice]

so they can't attack the child of the jerboa because the chupacabra is married to the jerboa. and it would be violating the family code

[grave linden]

rockwell is either the one who did it

[tropic ice]

I bet somewhere there's an emo overseer

[gusty turret]

Did what

[grave linden]

or reapers were aready a huge problem before the overseer got nuked

[gusty turret]

Reapers and nameless were both problems before Rockwell became overseer

[grave linden]

the overseer being the mind behind how the arks keep survivors from becoming complacent

[grave linden]

ok

good

[gusty turret]

Some guy gave birth to a reaper that was with Mei

Except it wasn't as pretty as it is when we do it

[grave linden]

inda yikes moment

[gusty turret]

Cuz he died very brutally as it came out

[grave linden]

i mean those things come out 7ft long

[gusty turret]

I think it was when they were going to get drake eggs I don't remember

[grave linden]

reapers are definitely a simulated horror so far removed from whatever it originnaly was it's entirely alien to earth biology

but the comrodery with the nameless gives a decent hint as to what reapers are

also yes it was the trip for rock drake eggs

[gusty turret]

Reapers are uhhh.. a nerd overseers decision to recreate Alien in the ark....

[grave linden]

but lets say it this way if the arks do they're creation process like i've theorised picture wyverns what were they before becoming dragons well? if jerboas are where we can start with the nameless and reapers than what could the wyverns have been

[gusty turret]

Hmmmm

Sarcos

[brazen sparrow]

Wyverns were nothing before, they were created by the Overseer

Completely fabricated, like most life on the Arks

[gusty turret]

Yeah I don't agree with it either but im just going along with it to see where it goes

[grave linden]

it's just my theory

[brazen sparrow]

It's not that I don't agree with it, it's the facts

They literally didn't exist before

[grave linden]

nothing concrete says the arks don't do it

[brazen sparrow]

It's pretty cut and dry that the Overseer made most of the apex creatures

Aka wyverns, reapers, etc

[grave linden]

nothing says the overseers don't take a normal creature from the arks and throw them in a simulaton ran at a greatly increased speed to rapidly evolve something normal into an abomination intended to make it harder to be complacent on the arks

[brazen sparrow]

Aside from literal conversations with the Overseers on their creation process, it's in notes when they first show up

So uh

[brazen sparrow]

This logic is flimsy at best

[gusty turret]

The closest we get to that is Rockwell creating the experimental giga

[brazen sparrow]

Nothing says that the Overseers DO run a sim or whatever

[grave linden]

thats why it's a theory

a game theory

[gusty turret]

Theories generally require proof though

[brazen sparrow]

I plead Occam's razor tbh

[grave linden]

they really don't to be a theory to be true they need proof

[gusty turret]

Gotta look that up

[brazen sparrow]

No reason to go any farther than absolutely necessary with this

[grave linden]

i literally have little to no proof so it's just a filler theory

[gusty turret]

So a headcanon?

[brazen sparrow]

And the fact that the reapers and wyverns show up immediately after the survivors do something outrageous is proof enough that they just made them on the spot

[gusty turret]

And gigas

[brazen sparrow]

Headcanons have no purpose here

[gusty turret]

Dont leave out big mads

[brazen sparrow]

Giga isn't relevant

[rain dock]

So a hyopthesis

[gusty turret]

Gigas were made as punishment for Nervas legion were they not?

[brazen sparrow]

No, they were not

He was doing what the Arks wanted, pushing to be the best

And proving himself worthy

[gusty turret]

Yeah but he also was establishing a massive civilization which the Arks love to destroy

[brazen sparrow]

There wasn't suddenly 50 million gigas on his doorstep because he founded a religion and got complacent, though

That's the difference

[grave linden]

another word i suppose

[grave linden]

one i should have used

[rain dock]

Theories typically have more foundation than just an idea

In either case the exact algorithm that the arks use to generate cataclysms is unknown

[grave linden]

i have in game foundation through examination of physiology

[brazen sparrow]

You really don't though

[grave linden]

what you mean

[brazen sparrow]

Convergent evolution isn't a good foundation lol

[grave linden]

it's literally a real world thing

[brazen sparrow]

Just because they both have bowed feet means very little scientifically

[grave linden]

alright

[brazen sparrow]

That's like saying "oh well because all these insects have exoskeletons they must be directly related, right?"

Which is kind of an askew line of thinking

Either way, it has no basis in the lore, unlike the fact of them literally being made out of thin air as a punishment for something

[grave linden]

yeah go ahead make me sound like i took a cursory look at them and made that conclusion minutes ago as if i haven't put hours into this

[brazen sparrow]

I'm not saying you didn't, but it's a little silly you must admit

[rain dock]

Its actually not

The idea that the ark takes creatures that it already has an modifies them to create new things isnt actually that far fetched

It certainly makes more practical sense than the idea that the arks just combine genomes and create things that way

[gusty turret]

Also why would Jerboas evolve like that when literally every other creature just became bioluminescent

It isn't dark enough in Aberration for them to evolve into that

[grave linden]

ya ever seen actual cave dwelling animals

[brazen sparrow]

But saying that it almost certainly is these creatures and not just made up by the remnants of whatever mind the Overseers have is a little silly, imo

[gusty turret]

Yeah but Aberration is like fully lit even in the deep zones

[brazen sparrow]

The reapers are physically unlike anything else in the game, lore-wise

[grave linden]

they don't become bioluminesent they become like the nameless pale blind and adverse to bright lights

[rain dock]

I mean, deciding the specifics of what creatures turned into what is far fetched, but the idea of an algorithm like that isnt that difficult to apply to the story

[brazen sparrow]

Acid for blood, reproduce via a monarch form (specifically via human impregnation, even), aversion to charge light

[gusty turret]

All the other creatures in Aberration are bioluminescent though, they don't all necessarily glow and give off light but their skin is visible in the dark when it turns night

[grave linden]

have you ever turned the gamma down to the cannon setting it's actually really dark on ab

[brazen sparrow]

Fair enough

[grave linden]

like what i mean is the old days of yikes it got dark

[gusty turret]

Its dark but its not pitch black like the conditions are when creatures actually evolve into weird things like that

I think the easier solution is the overseer just decided that it was gonna put a chupacabra on the Ark

[grave linden]

true but also the nameless don't normally live in the main cavern they dig up out of they're nests

which contain reapers aswell as nameless

nameless don't even look like chupacabra

[gusty turret]

No one knows what chupacabras look like cuz they aren't real😭

Its a fictional concept

[grave linden]

the mange ridden coyotes foxes and racoons ain't chupacabras

and the 3 fanged spiked back grey alien looking reptilian monster that the original was described as don't look like nameless either

[gusty turret]

"Early reports described a creature that stood upright and resembled a large reptilian kangaroo with huge red eyes. "

[grave linden]

yeah

[gusty turret]

Tell me nameless aren't a large reptilian kangaroo

[grave linden]

taking the description to seriously

but eh

doesn't matter either way

the nameless arent phagovores atleast i don't think

[gusty turret]

Whats a phagovore?

[brazen sparrow]

Not a real word, from the looks of it 😅

[gusty turret]

It would be a very poorly constructed word if it was one seeing as both parts mean to devour 😭

The prefix (phago- or phag-) means to eat, consume, or destroy. It is derived from the Greek phagein, which means to consume

The word ending “-vore” comes from the Latin word vorare, which means “to eat, to devour.”

I love looking at the parts of words and putting them together its like art

[lyric tendon]

That is mostly where the legend comes from

Just like Griffins are just pachyrhinos

Cyclops are just elephants
and
Dragons are just pterasaur/dinosaur fossil

They are called mythical creatures for a reason

[teal wasp]

im trying to figure out why my basilosaurs looses stamina right when he gains it back

anyone know?

[lyric tendon]

Wrong chat, go to #bobs-with-probs

[gusty turret]

I think people think that just because we're nerds its like the nerd squad at best buy that helps with tech issues

My bad its called the geek squad

Same difference

[quaint marsh]

From people with big minds :)

[honest nebula]

who is timur

[bold dove]

Timur was the leader of the tribe Rockwell poisoned in Scorched

[honest nebula]

thank you it was to get the artifacts right?

[bold dove]

Nope, it was cause Rockwell was batshit insane

[honest nebula]

ok

thank you good sir

[bold dove]

It was to get the Element dropped from the Manticore.
But they 99% had no use for it, so he could've just asked them and made it out as a pointless object.
Instead, he poisoned the whole tribe, and possibly killing a baby also.

[honest nebula]

oh yeah the tribe leaders wife was pregnant and they only kept rockwell alive to help deliver it or something i think

i think

i forgot that part of the story

[bold dove]

The deal was his life to help the baby, yes.

[honest nebula]

knew it

[bold dove]

Eventually (from what it sounded like) he integrated himself into their family basically.
Acting as the tribes doctor that everyone came to.

[honest nebula]

little did they no he belongs in a mental asylum

[honest nebula]

is there a overseer for sorched im assuming the manticore was the overseer or because each ark being a diffrent combition of things the sorched ark just did not require for you to fight it

[arctic bison]

every ark has a overseer, they just chose to have the manticore to be the guardian and give the ascension instead of the overseer fight again.
only Ark we go to that doesn't follow the overseer rule is Aberration and that's bc the overseer and it's arena got nuked and after some time Rockwell became the new overseer replacement after he transformed and was trapped in the guardian chamber.

[honest nebula]

ok

to keep it orginal

[arctic bison]

also probably to save time as they already had the manticore from way back in the begining

[honest nebula]

so why did rockwell get promoted to overseer is he the official overseer and the arks made him or he is just taken over it because the overseer is no more and he has the ability to create creatures like nameless and bend the station to his will?.

[arctic bison]

@bold dove i need assistance

[bold dove]

What is it, my son?

[arctic bison]

look above my plead for help

[bold dove]

Guardians can't be Overseers

[honest nebula]

i already got my answer to that

[honest nebula]

i need this answerd

[bold dove]

Ah

[bold dove]

So, basically an ARK can't function without an Overseer.
Aberration was tearing itself apart after they nuked the Overseer of it.
Rockwell was the strongest, and still is the strongest being on the ARK. So the ARK itself made him into an Overseer.

[honest nebula]

ok

so they made him a overseer because they needed one or the ark would would fall apart got it👍

[bold dove]

Basically.

[honest nebula]

i cant find a youtube video to explain the extinction lore i got the island ab and scorched gen one and two summarized but theres no extinction ones 😦

i know roughly what happens and some extra details

for all but extinction

[bold dove]

There's plenty of videos reading off the Extinction notes

[honest nebula]

i want it all in one video but beggers can be choosers

[grave linden]

a easier to remember varariation of the actual name given to predators that exlusively partake of blood

[gusty turret]

hematophagous?

Im assuming thats it because that's what google said

[tired osprey]

Case #30743 @vestal sierra has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[brazen sparrow]

Phagovore just simply isn't a word, sorry to say. What you were looking for is hemovore/haemovore

[gusty turret]

Those too

[honest nebula]

I know this dose not make too much sense but here me out on ab Rockwell injects element into a small creature shorty before injecting it into his self it says the creature grew bigger and stronger so I assumed it was nameless that grew into the big ones but what if the creature he injected it in was a ferox because they bigger and stronger when they eat element or something nameless merge to become the big one I think so was Rockwell testing element on ferox on ab possibly maybe the ferox turned into namelss and ferox were on the ark before it got blown up and destroyed

[bold dove]

[honest nebula]

What

I know it dose not make sense because ferox were created after ab explore notes

[bold dove]

A: It wasn't a nameless, it was its own species that was put down by Diana before it could become anything.
In the note, it resembled more of a Deathclaw from Fallout.
B: Feroxes aren't on the ARK's, they're a Federation creature.
While they could've been 'tested' on the ARK's, akin to Magmasaurs. But just like Magmasaurs, they're no longer on the ARK's and are exclusively on the Genesis-ship.

[honest nebula]

Yes but he had to have a foundation

[bold dove]

Yes, it was a shinehorn.

[honest nebula]

Oh ok

[bold dove]

The way he describes the animal he injects, and how it has antlers, it's 99% a shinehorn

[honest nebula]

Deathclaw from fallout looks like a namless goat

[bold dove]

No...they don't.

Nameless look more like hairless bipedal Pitbull.

[bold oxide]

Or Triggered hairless monke

[bold dove]

Right.
But nothing like a Deathclaw

[bold oxide]

🫳
Monke
🫴

[bold dove]

Monk

[lyric tendon]

angry pugs

[forest rose]

Nerva

thats the message

[gusty turret]

I think it depends what edition of the deathclaw we're talking about here

The new ones? Sure, but the older ones i can see it a little bit

[bronze turtle]

Pfft, nerdz

[grave linden]

he says he injected one of the little glowing creatures the tek tribe keeps as pets the accompaning illistration is clearly a shinehorn

horribly mutated into a flesh monster but still a shinehorn clearly

[dense ice]

Funny when people bring stuff like this up, after I’ve paid someone a whole lot of money to z brush model and weight paint an entire hyper-detailed creature that’s a near replica of the in-game illustration and which has multiple animations just to illustrate what it likely looked like and moved around like for the ab survival stories 😎

All for the viewer to see it for one minute before Diana blasts it back to whatever hellish realm it came from

[lyric tendon]

And it will be worth it

[dense ice]

Oh yes. Yes it will

😭

[grave linden]

i look intently forward to seeing that

[honest nebula]

When I looked it up the first image looked like the big nameless mixed with that old goat Jedi from Star Wars and a tree (in my opinion)

[honest nebula]

quick question are 2 of abs guardians alive or did rockwell kill the remaing two i know his boss fight is in one of the guardian chambers and he killed it or something

[lyric tendon]

No Overseer means no guardians

The guardians are the test that the overseer made for us to get an ascension

Plus the Tek People skipped the guardians through hacking

No point of mentioning them

[honest nebula]

so if the overseer dies the gaurdians die?

@lyric tendon

[lyric tendon]

No need to ping me

[honest nebula]

just making sure your here

[waxen flame]

[lyric tendon]

I am always here

[honest nebula]

ok

[lyric tendon]

Uncertain because Ab is already malfunctioning even before Rockwell set foot to Ab

I mean it is kinda obvious on what happened if you tried to power your PC with no CPU

[honest nebula]

yeah

[gusty turret]

Isn't it kinda an overseer by overseer basis for whether theres guardians or not

Is the manticore the overseer of Scorched or is it just the only test the overseer cared enough to give us and didn't even let us face it?

[lyric tendon]

Notes says no

Manticore is still a guardian

[bold dove]

Guardians are exactly just that. Guardians.

[lyric tendon]

Helena and Rockwell documented their "Tek cave" in their notes but never faced the overseer iirc

[bold dove]

Imagine an ARK's hierarchy as a prison.
The survivors are the prisoners.
Animals are the rats.
Guardians are the guards.
And the Overseer is the Warden, that the guards are protecting.

[bold dove]

Yeah, cause Nerva already defeated the stations Overseer.

[lyric tendon]

SE

[bold dove]

Ahhh, yeah.

[lyric tendon]

Nerva is fried in Ab lol

[bold dove]

Never is explained, but since they barely had anything on them at that point, then I assume the Overseer allowed them to ascend.

[bold dove]

KFN

[lyric tendon]

Krispy Fried Centurion

[torpid pumice]

Raia and Dahkeya's end just made my partner cry

[rain dock]

It is kind of sad that literally no one in ark lore gets a happy ending

[jolly depot]

What were the other 2 guardians of scorched earth even?

[frail dragon]

scorched earth doesn't have guardians

[jolly depot]

the manticore though-

[frail dragon]

it's an overseer

[jolly depot]

What about the Genesis Simulation's other 4 Master AI before Rockwell shut them down?

[frail dragon]

one of them is probably the dragon

[fallow sapphire]

It’s not an overseer, it’s just the Overseer’s choice to have only one guardian and no fight with it instead

[jolly depot]

How is it possible for Rockwell to exist in 3 different places?

[lyric tendon]

No

[jolly depot]

Aberration, The Genesis Simulation and the Genesis Ship

[frail dragon]

he escaped ab after king titan died

[jolly depot]

How did he grow legs?

[frail dragon]

tentacles are toes

he has legs

underwater

[jolly depot]

So he transformed into cthulhu and escaped to a simulation and somehow appeared in space on a ship

[rain dock]

Well, if you look at what he did to the genesis ship, it kind of gives the vibe that he can do literally whatever he wants lol

[frail dragon]

and corrupted master controller isn't rockwell

[jolly depot]

who was the master controller?

[frail dragon]

it's just a computer virus he made

he made 2 of them: 1 in gen1, the other in star dolphin

[rain dock]

It's Rockwells answer to hlna

[lyric tendon]

He use his data to start a new but that is mere speculation as there is no definite note explaination how he transferred and expanded in the ship

Also don't listen to that Fortnite ARK loving kid

[frail dragon]

the 1 in star dolphin was either 1st or created when the player enters the mission because it's much weaker

[jolly depot]

is it possible for the Survivor/Player to become a monster twisted by the very element, rockwell used to become his so called "god"

[lyric tendon]

Rockwell was a survivor like us

So yes

If you inject element directly in your bloodstream

[frail dragon]

he was never a survivor like us because his character wasn't ugly like ark characters

and his game never crashed

[lyric tendon]

"ugly ARK characters" are not canon, they are gameplay fluff

Go complain about sarco teeth nose or and leave lore to the actual people who read the notes

[jolly depot]

ugly ARK characters are the True Survivors

yes, i know sometimes the skin clip through the armor and stuff

[lyric tendon]

All humans including Helena and Rockwell are the survivors

It's just a title given to the ones who exist in the experiment

All weird gameplay and graphical bugs are just gameplay

[jolly depot]

I wonder how many subspecies of Araneo exist on the Island

[lyric tendon]

Only 1

[frail dragon]

2

araneo and broodmother

[lyric tendon]

There is no "subspecies" just variants

[frail dragon]

1 on aberration

[lyric tendon]

Only varients

[jolly depot]

Okay here's very good lore.

Why didn't wildcard release the Scorched Earth Ascension before/with Aberration and Extinction

[lyric tendon]

Because 1 it's not lore

2 there are issues in regards on releasing a DLC while the game is still EA to pay off the issue with ATLAS

[jolly depot]

How do arks even repair themselves?

I can see the arks stopping survivors from progressing too much such as the case with Scorched Earth

[bold dove]

They don't

If they could, Aberration wouldn't be the way it is.
Or all ARK's wouldn't be slowly degrading

[ornate hull]

I've been sitting here for like 20 minutes to think of a good lore question but I can't think of a dam thing

[lyric tendon]

It means your questions have already answered and you never knew it

[ornate hull]

Yee i am indeed a lore nerd

[lone shuttle]

do you really destroy the overseer on the island?

I feel like it's a test

cause shouldn't the island shut down once the overseer is destroyed?

[bold dove]

Where you told that?

Cause that's a fat 'no'

[bold dove]

It would self-destruct

[shrewd bridge]

word

[gusty turret]

The overseers do control the terrain in the Arks right? Like the overseer decided the island would be an island with the exact biome spread and everything?

[brazen sparrow]

Not entirely? The landmasses that are the Arks are directly carved out pieces of the Earth, but they can edit them as seen with Scorched

[unique cobalt]

What is atlas

[rigid grove]

Not a wildcard game, a pirate game from grapeshot games (sister company of Wildcard)

Not relevant to this channel

[bold dove]

Non-canon, that's what

[oblique creek]

Anyone like the voice lines for survivor notes

[brazen sparrow]

I feel like they were unnecessary, personally

But appreciated to be sure

[oblique creek]

Yeah scorched earth acension was nice as well

[flat pawn]

HEY come back to the other Chanel, don’t you dare leave me

[lyric tendon]

Pretty mid tbh since it's only Helena and Rockwell, the cutscenes is more of an expansion than the addition

Aside from the Rockwell boss notes tho

[gusty turret]

I find the voices annoying because i have to sit and listen to every single dossier and note i accidentally step on being read

[bronze turtle]

Really? I like them

[gusty turret]

Theyd be okay if i wasn't trying to soak a base

[brazen sparrow]

You can turn that off in the settings, 4head

[gusty turret]

Explicitly the notes?

[arctic bison]

npc volume bar

note voices are in that

[gusty turret]

I still want the dialogue thats on gen 2 if you turn that all the way down it gets rid of the gen 2 lines that are cool

They should just have an option to mute the notes when you collect them or something

They're cool just annoying in the situations i find them in

I like the intro and outro scenes

i still wanna know how Helena wrote the dossiers on the extinction critters

[brazen sparrow]

Yes, just the notes, it's a setting that prevents them from playing if you close them

They added it with the note update

It's almost like no one reads patch notes, I swear

[gusty turret]

Theres a lot of those

I was too focused on why Ark wanted me to delete 100gb of games for a like 10gb update

[brazen sparrow]

Skill issue

[gusty turret]

Even then i had like 700 gb of space available so it just made no sense

[shell basalt]

Does anyone know who wrote the tek note on the island? If it where to b the creators of the ark why are they on a stone platform and not in somewhere like the tek cave or a central area?

I need this answered

[arctic bison]

Homo Deus Helena

[shell basalt]

K

Wait… how?

[arctic bison]

Homo deus crap

[bold dove]

Space magic

[jolly gate]

So what would happen if two survivers fell in love and well enables mateing could survivers have kids on the ark? And does the kids have implants on their arms as well?

[lyric tendon]

SE intensifies

There is evidence of pregnancy but Rockwell just pull a L O S S

[brazen sparrow]

There was children/a child born on the Arks, but who know what became of them (the one from Scorched either died or was orphaned by Rockwell, when he poisoned Timur's tribe) and Meeka in Ark 2 has an implant, but we don't know if she was born on Arat, or if she was reconstituted via the Eden Ring's systems like all the other survivors so far

[lyric tendon]

Oviraptor dossier as well

[jolly gate]

K

So how did the people who made the arks figure out how to bring people like from the Roman times back?

And also how did they bring back dinosaurs?

[brazen sparrow]

Long story, that I don't have the time to tell currently

[jolly gate]

Is there a short answer?

[brazen sparrow]

But there's videos out there on Youtube, the ones by Neddythenoodle are pretty explanatory in that field

[jolly gate]

K

[jolly gate]

But what the dinos is it just the jurassic park way?

[brazen sparrow]

There's a thing in your brain that stays there after you die, and it allows your memory to be stored in a computer and put into clone bodies

[jolly gate]

K

[fallow sapphire]

Basic of it is what Pikmim said. There is a think in ark lore called an engramic matrix that everyone possess… it holds basically everything needed to recreate that person, allowing for them to make people on the arks, transfer those memories, and create life spanning all across the centuries… could go far past Roman times, we just don’t know for sure as no one has been discussed in notes past that time

[fallow sapphire]

It was tested in a simulation, to try and find the best combo for humans to progress at a rapid level… dinosaurs were found to be the best creature to do so. Thus they were engineered into life, and used both on the genesis ship/genesis simulation and the ARK’s

[jolly gate]

OK I understand now

[mental blaze]

I’ve seen you somewhere lol

[ornate hull]

Guys I just cracked a major part of the lore

Helena wrote the dossiers

[gusty turret]

Im never gonna stop saying it was impossible for Helena to write the extinction dossiers

[glad crow]

She could have wrote some of them.

[gusty turret]

She was comatose when Mei documents their first encounters and domestications of the creatures

[lyric tendon]

makes my question who wrote the dossiers for the free DLC creatures and the charchar

[gusty turret]

Carchar is probably canon but the free dlc creatures definitely arent

[lyric tendon]

no since it exist after the notes

[gusty turret]

Yeah it can easily be considered a retcon

[lyric tendon]

Or just non-canon like other free DLC ones since the charchar is from the creature vote for said free DLCs anyways

It's only in the game as a "participation trophy" because it gets 2nd place every time

[brazen sparrow]

No

Freaking

Way

[gusty turret]

I actually wrote them

My bad

[gusty turret]

Do we have an imposter Helena?

Did Helena vent in medbay

[rancid flume]

I want to ask

What the hell is the overseer and why does it look like the stone in the player's hand.

[lyric tendon]

The "CPU" of the ARK

[rancid flume]

Nah I know but is it a ai?and my second question

[light wing]

the overseer is different than the implants

[lyric tendon]

No, the overseer use an evolved form of human called Homo Deus to do the decision

[light wing]

implants you find on your hand is like a second brain of yourself, except you were completely made using its data

[lyric tendon]

Overseer ≠ Guardians

[rancid flume]

Ah got it

What is manticore's origin

[lyric tendon]

Same as the island's guardians

Manticore is not an Overseer

[rancid flume]

Oh ok

[rancid flume]

I was not thinking it was it's story I haven't heard so I asked

[lyric tendon]

Most people think so thanks to the new ascension Cutscene

Rockwell in the other hand IS an Overseer.... Just by proxy

[rancid flume]

He was a human?yes
And King Titan is an guardian
And the evil head guy is an overseer

[lyric tendon]

No, Titans are just Titans

Genesis is different from the ARKs

[rancid flume]

Then why are they the final bosses

[lyric tendon]

Because gameplay

[rancid flume]

I forgot that ,my memory's running dry

[lyric tendon]

Also the Titans are the real enemy in Extinction

[rancid flume]

?!

[lyric tendon]

The Overseer is more or less a Test

[rancid flume]

I knew that

But I thought they were corrupted that's why they are enemies

[lyric tendon]

They are corruption

[rancid flume]

Oh ok

[lyric tendon]

Same as the Ext tames but blue means nice

[rancid flume]

It was nice having this conversation and good bye.

[brazen sparrow]

The overseers are not corrupted, for the record, since that looks to me like what you were talking about at the end there

[lyric tendon]

He is talking about Corrupted Master Controller

Aka Rockwell NFT

[brazen sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty turret]

Yooooo Rockwell NFT

I wanna be the person to try and sell Nerva on an NFT

Or pre-crazy Rockwell

Im too scared of Mei to try to sell her one

I just wanna convince an ancient person to buy an NFT

Not necessarily ancient but

[brazen sparrow]

I think even they would be too smart to buy such a useless piece of garbage, lol

[gusty turret]

For Nerva i would just put on a skirt they loved boys in skirts

For Rockwell hes like a Victorian British man i could just tell him its an Egyptian artifact and hed eat that up

I never said my business practices had to be honest

[green light]

That’s not what the yt video said

[gusty turret]

Which YouTube video

Theres at least a few of those on the internet

[green light]

I’m too lazy

[gusty turret]

If they didn't like boys in skirts why did their armor have skirts?

Hmmmmm?

Referring to the Romans overall not just Nerva

[green light]

Nono he has a point

[gusty turret]

UwU Nerva Werva can you buy dis pictuw fwom me UwU👉👈

People waking up in the morning are gonna hate to read this

[green light]

I hope the devs don’t see that actually

Nvm 😭

[odd latch]

Y’all think the native of American person from the animated show, might be John decaye (or however it is spelled) father, the one that taught em or just some random native of American

[bold dove]

Doubtful, unless they're changing his entire story.

[brazen sparrow]

I hate reading this already

[brazen sparrow]

[gusty turret]

Sooooo are you guys excited for once the show releases just an influx of random people here trying to apply the show to the game and confusing other people

[lyric tendon]

been there

[broken star]

Dont be ridiculous, CMC isnt a Rockwell NFT

It's Rockwell's vtuber avatar

[jagged cliff]

Is jacob batalons invention canon

You know what he invented

Hes workin on a sequel

[brazen sparrow]

As a wise man once said

Hwat in the goddamn

[pearl silo]

Most likely he's described as an apache outlaw before he woke up on the desert ark.

[brazen sparrow]

Not most likely, we don't even know who this new guy is 😂

[gusty turret]

I wish i could unhear Dr.Who whenever Rockwell talked

[lyric tendon]

lol

at least you cant unhear the Family Meme Guy out of "Santiago"

[pseudo nimbus]

Jesse what the hell are you talking about

[torpid pumice]

Any recommendations on explorer note gatherings on Aberation for the story? My friends and I have gone through the Island and SE in typical left to right order(Helena, Rockwell, etc).

[bold dove]

if you're asking for order, then there's a timeline.

Island has no timeline.
But on Scorched, Raia's and John's notes are first.
Then on Aberration, Diana is first, then Mei, then Rockwell and Helena at the same time, then the Grad-Students.

[torpid pumice]

Gotcha. Yeah I knew the island was essentially an all at once.

I didn't realize raia and John were from the Nosti time period until we started Raia.

[torpid pumice]

Appreciated:)

[bold dove]

Extinction I don't know fully. But if I recall, it's 'Santiago, Mei and Helena, Diana, then The-One-Who-Waits'

[torpid pumice]

That sounds about right with extinction, with them teaming up for the titan fight. I'm familiar with the story in each ark, just timelines are a little fuzzy. 🙂

Just trying to find a fun experience for my mates.

[gusty turret]

Okay so i wasn't the only one who has no idea what that means

[brazen sparrow]

Island has a timeline, lmao. You just didn't take the time to figure it out, I guess

Unless you're exclusively talking about a whole set of one's notes taking place before the others, in which case, that never happens on any map besides Gen 2

[jaunty roost]

How did we get from extinction to genesis and how did Rockwell get from aberration to genesis

[honest nebula]

abberation crashed onto earth after the reeseed protacal rockwell was alive on ab apparenty the person who wrote the story before genis said it landed at arat prime the place wheren the genisis ship laucnhed and there is like a teleporter there or something like that and uploaded his concussniss to the colony ship

or something like that

[torpid pumice]

I believe that's accurate to the lore on the wiki.

Ab ark: hello arat prime, we gift you Rockwell

Arat prime: no thx, we give him to you colony shop, he got probs, take far away.

Gen ship: oki, everyone sleep playing games anyway, no one will notice

[jaunty roost]

No genesis ship:
Drive into planet

[torpid pumice]

But yeah tight beam hyper space conscious transfer in the far future is entirely the macguffin

[jolly gate]

So is there a lore reason why raptors are like the big ones from jurassic park and not the actual small ones?

[arctic bison]

Overseer decided to just create them like that, and made troodons the ultimate little shits instead

[bold dove]

Cause you're thinking of velociraptors.

Raptors are a family, not a specific species.

The ones in ARK are 'Utah-Raptors'

That, and they're genetically created versions of them.
They're inaccurate due to them being purposely created to be that way.

[lyric tendon]

JP Dilos and outdated Spino go brrr

[gusty turret]

Can't forget that birds of prey are also raptors

Waittttt so technically the fjordhawk is a raptor so i can tell people theres an extra type of raptor in the game that can fly

[broken star]

I mean, spinos were accurate when they were first added

But spino is anomalously a "We did a new study and it was actually entirely different" dinosaur so within a few months their at the time radical because it was accurate spino was no longer accurate and they were catching flak for it ever since

[old helm]

No velociraptor’s are a family raptors are a species, there’s velociraptor’s utah-raptor Achillobator Adasaurus Atrociraptor Austroraptor etc.

[bold dove]

Point is, they're not the oversized velociraptor’s they have in JP. They're Utah-Raptors

[old helm]

Thanks for specifying I hate it when people try acting smart when the know Absolutly nothing

[old helm]

It’s a raptor but it’s a bird velociraptor’s and stuff are not birds

Well actually they are

Im trying to say the fjord hawk is a raptor but we call it a hawk because it’s less confusing than raptor

[odd latch]

I know their not cannon, but man do I wish the free maps had some of their own stories, like stand alone explorer notes about adventures on those ark’s

[crisp basalt]

They had feather now both of you quit

Feathers* in real life

[gusty turret]

Idk who you're telling to quit i was asleep

[brazen sparrow]

Not to mention, historical accuracy doesn't matter (and never has) in the Ark franchise, from the get-go, so no reason to get all worked up about it in the first place. Do you really think that half these dinosaurs had the abilities they do in-game?

[gusty turret]

Me waiting on the dodo tlc

[bronze turtle]

dodo will be the strongest dino in ark 2

[jolly gate]

Since ark park and pixark are cannon does that mean sotf is also cannon?

[lyric tendon]

No unless a Cutscene or a Note state otherwise

Which PixARK (Gen 1) and ARK Park (Ab) has

[jolly gate]

I would like to believe it is cannon that's what happened to the island when we ascended to scorched earth.

[bold dove]

Don't believe Mazzy, they're always salty.

Yes, SotF 'is' canon, and is part of the Genesis-simulation

[jolly gate]

So the island doesn't become fortnite after we asceneded?

[bold dove]

No, it stays the same until the ARK's come back to Earth, where the ARK-system is no longer needed.

[jolly gate]

Wait so if sotf is part of the genesis simulation does it mean it was a competitive sport?

[bold dove]

Don't know, but most likely it's due to the name of it.

They understand humans aren't always going to like each other due to different viewpoints and whatnot, so 'Survival of the Fittest' basically trains you with other humans, just in case you meet a human threat on Arat

[jolly gate]

Damn the humans in arks universe must had a lot of fun playing sotf

[jolly gate]

One more question

[bold dove]

Most likely, yeah.

If anything, it might unironically bring people closer together since they're all in it to win it.

[jolly gate]

So since Helena activated the respawn protocol isn't there technical two universes one universes where she did activate the respawn protocol and one where she didn't hence hardcore mode.

[bold dove]

That topic is very messy.

Hardcore isn't canon, but it could've been at the time it was released, since respawning didn't become canon till Extinction

[jolly gate]

But It would be cool if there's two different ark universes where she didn't activated that protocol but everything else is still normal.

[bold dove]

I'd like to imagine that. Cause I fucking hate the respawn protocol.

[jolly gate]

Also what time period is Bob is from the animated series?

[bold dove]

We don't know

Animated-Series is semi-canon

[mental basin]

Where was this stated?

[bold dove]

In the reveal trailer they showed in the last Extra-Life

Their little (more like fucking giant) HLN-A stated it was a locked off section of the Genesis-simulation

[mental basin]

FR? Do you know if anyone has posted all of her dialogue online somewhere?

[bold dove]

I have no idea.
I just watched the stream when they where streaming it

[mental basin]

Fair enough

[lyric tendon]

citation needed

[bold dove]

What?

[lyric tendon]

you know i am the person who is adhere to the notes more than outside sources (like "nameless being natural" is an outside source tidbit)

[bold dove]

There's a difference between outside sources, and dev-sources.

Marc no longer worked with Wildcard at the time he made his reddit post, and so he had no say in what was canon or not. All that was just 'his' canon for ARK.
Obviously, things have been rewritten since that've retconned some of that reddit post.

But this came from a flatout dev-stream. Which I'd say has more credibility then a writer that no longer works for said dev's.

[lyric tendon]

("helena caused the rockwell infestation in the gen ship" is the latest one)

i am talking tidbits outside the game, not just Soskin's posts

[bold dove]

Peter is also the current writer of the universe, and anything he says goes until stated otherwise.
It's basically 'his word over yours'

[lyric tendon]

its not that "i dont believe in it", it's just i find hard to recall since it's burred under "internet's hellscape" that is Twitter

(and maybe reddit)

unlike in game notes where, just it's there

[bold dove]

Fair.
Again, this did come from their last Extra-Life stream.
They might've saved it on their Twitch

[lyric tendon]

if someone didnt clip it, twitch streams have a week lifespan until it is deleted (as someone who record/streams on Twitch, i know)

[bold dove]

Welp, I think we're far past that week

[lyric tendon]

the only thing i am salty about is i cant watch the first SOTF tournament and that too is on Twitch

its gone forever

[brazen sparrow]

Rather fortunate that several hundred others streamed WC's ExtraLife stream via Youtube then, huh? Not to mention the videos that were made about it separate from that

(Youtube saves the streams just like a video, permanently)

[lyric tendon]

did they tho?

i am talking about WC streams

[brazen sparrow]

Am I missing something?

If someone streams a WC stream... it's a direct copy, maybe with some extra overlay or talking, but more or less a direct copy

That was my point, it's saved somewhere

[gusty turret]

Yeah lets preferably not get into timeline splitting

Cuz once we start splitting the timeline into things that did happen and things that could've happened we descend into the realm of literal infinite possibilities

[gusty turret]

L e t t h e d i n o s a u r l e s b i a n s b e h a p p y

[lyric tendon]

No need to imagine when hardcore mode exists

[bold dove]

Again, isn't canon due to the respawn protocol

[lyric tendon]

Actually it is since before Helena became HD

That means Santiago is the last person that died permanently

[bold dove]

This doesn't make sense, Mazzy

You can play Hardcore on every map.

This includes the Genesis maps.
Then there's the issue of the new intro's and outro's, basically solidifying that we're playing in the modern moment, post HD Helena.

[lyric tendon]

Your mental brain sure but not the data+inv+progress of your engorged body of a survivor

[bold dove]

You....you do know that engrams are tied to your memories, right?

[lyric tendon]

Speaking of cutscenes, how can we sure it is one survivor but not multiple

[bold dove]

Mostly cause they speak to us like a individual's until Genesis-2.

[lyric tendon]

Yes but I am speaking of the implant info aka Homo Deus record

[bold dove]

Again, you forget engrams after you die on Hardcore.
Which would be counteractive to respawning.

[lyric tendon]

I was comparing Hardcore with pre-HD Helena

Era?

[bold dove]

Which is fine, until you take into account the intro's, and the many post-HD era changes we see in-game.

[lyric tendon]

Ooh that's post-HD

Before the update is very accurate

[bold dove]

Then there's Genesis 1-2

And Extinction

[lyric tendon]

I mean Ext is semi tho since Helena is HD when helping the last stand against KT... A be it an attempt

[gusty turret]

Its up to interpretation

At least for extinction

Due to the one who waits notes talking about maybe wanting to bring some help

Multiple survivors singular one who tries again

[gusty turret]

So why did all the old people look normal and all of us just look like chads

Helena must've cut corners when implementing the respawn capability on a large scale and made it to where the only people that came out were "deformed male" "chad" "miniscule female"

[glad crow]

Well if you were developing a cure for death, wouldn't you want to be quick about it instead of allowing more permanent deaths?

[junior surge]

She was running on borrowed time sense by the time of us going to genesis part 1 she faded into nothingness leaving behind HLN-A to guide us. Which is really sad, she gave us things needed to survive and actually beat the king titan but due to the corruption evolving it made the arks keep us in an infinite loop until Rockwell yanked our survivors into aberration whoch gave us the ticket to go to earth

[magic haven]

Guys what happened to the homo Deus after she faded into HLN-A?

[junior surge]

Over time the homodeus species faded away, basically vanishing from reality. Say thing happened to helena

[magic haven]

But why did she leave HLN-A when she faded away?

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure its safe to assume she isn't faded in the time that the player is around

Especially considering the new cutscenes

[brazen sparrow]

Because she couldn't take her with? HLN-A was a construct with the sole purposes of safeguarding Helena's personality and guiding the Survivor through their trials to come

[brazen sparrow]

After the Genesis reveal trailer/stream, she disappears, never to be seen again

[magic haven]

But when she dies at the end what happens? Does Helena dies too or just HLN-A?

[brazen sparrow]

(Which takes place while you're uploading to the ship, from Arat Prime, and also is when she makes HLN-A)

[magic haven]

I think we will see more about her in ark 2

[brazen sparrow]

Which do you mean? HLN-A's "death"? Because she backed herself up, as she states in the cutscene

[magic haven]

Yes

[brazen sparrow]

Sure, but not Helena-Deus herself, she's gone

[magic haven]

I thought a bit and came to a cloncusion

[brazen sparrow]

She literally cannot anchor herself in our perceivable universe

[magic haven]

But that means we will never see her again?

[brazen sparrow]

Yes 😂

HLN-A, on the other hand, may show up in Ark 2, and already has again in the kid friendly mode of Ark on the Nintendo Switch

[arctic bison]

''Homo dues exmachina has left the universe''

[gusty turret]

Helena is bound to Earth i remember correctly?

[magic haven]

Wait but we become a homodeus at the end of the game and we follow Helena’s footsteps in ark, so that means we will be following our own footsteps at ark 2?

[gusty turret]

I thought she created HLNA to get to the ship because she wasn't able to leave Earth

Or she wasn't willing?

[brazen sparrow]

Nope, she's not bound to anything, as previously stated

[brazen sparrow]

I already explained why she made HLN-A

[brazen sparrow]

.

[magic haven]

I think in ark 2 we will descover more about the homodeus

[gusty turret]

I hope not

Cuz thatd mean more tek

[magic haven]

Like the universe they go when they fade

[brazen sparrow]

We do not become a Homo Deus in Extinction, that's purely a cool cosmetic for beating the game

[brazen sparrow]

I highly doubt this, as the machines that made humans into them are all gone/destroyed

[gusty turret]

I do wanna know why the implant Thanos dusts tho cuz isn't that kinda useful to the people that are gonna be coming off the Arks-

[brazen sparrow]

Besides, we know enough about Homo Deus as is, no need to elaborate further imo

[brazen sparrow]

What are you actually saying here my dude lol

[gusty turret]

Like when the implant just dusts away on your arm

Why get rid of the implants the people coming off the freshly reseeded arks kinda need those

[brazen sparrow]

It... never... does that?

[magic haven]

But they got back to earth right? Or did they all get into the colony ship?

[gusty turret]

The implant disappears after you beat the king titan its no longer an implant its just a little symbol in your inventory

[brazen sparrow]

Who or what are you speaking of?

[magic haven]

Humans

Sorry if u think I am dumb: (

[brazen sparrow]

Humans come off the Arks and redevelop Earth, and the humans in the ship land on Arat, no one besides us goes to the ship from Earth (that we know of, currently.) And I don't think you're dumb, I was just needing a little clarification is all 🙂

[magic haven]

Tnx

I think ark lore is confusing

[brazen sparrow]

That's because you're going to the Gen ship, where everyone speaks the unified future language 😅

[gusty turret]

The us to ship is up to interpretation

[brazen sparrow]

It is, don't worry lol

[gusty turret]

Unless they just recently confirmed its us?

[brazen sparrow]

It is us, but also up to interpretation, if that makes sense

It's soft confirmed via the Genesis reveal stream Homo Deus text, if you translate it

It says something along the lines of "Arat Prime uplink established" or something, similar to the text you could read with the tek helmet visor in Extinction before they removed it, apparently

[gusty turret]

Couldn't that just be Helena sending HLNA to the ship?

Or HLNA uploading herself to the ship ig

[brazen sparrow]

No, it's very clearly us she's speaking to in the following reveal trailer

The same one where she "makes" HLN-A right in front of us, even though we know she existed before that thanks to Gen 2's notes... which does raise a few questions 😅

[rain dock]

Thats the thing about ai. You can make it long before you actually make it lol

[brazen sparrow]

True, she could've been making the physical housing to send with us, never thought of that

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't take a trailer at face value for lore content

[brazen sparrow]

Most of them aren't canon, I'll admit

But that one is definitely supposed to be

[gusty turret]

Didn't it also come out like months before genesis 1 actually released? They probably had that in mind at first then just scrapped it cuz theres pretty much no content actually in game that makes it seem either way for you being or not being the same character

Oh yeah and there was the writer change between Extinction and Genesis so theres really no telling what happened

[brazen sparrow]

The trailer? Idk the timeframes there between releases, but the reveal stream is pretty certainly evidence enough for me that we are the same Survivor, not to mention some of the dialogue between Rockwell, HLN-A, and us in Gen 2 itself not making sense if he didn't recognize us a little bit

[gusty turret]

You would think he would mention us like absolutely destroying him on Aberration or something if he recognized it

If only the gen 2 chronicles were canon it would fix everything

[rain dock]

Are they not Canon?

[brazen sparrow]

The writer change did very little in the way of canon as well, it's not like a new writer steps in and just decanonize everything lol

[brazen sparrow]

They are canon, though?

[gusty turret]

Also if we are using the reveal trailer as canon like the first thing she says is trying to go to the ship is too far from her reach and she needs to stay back because others need her help

[gusty turret]

Since when??? I thought all the chronicles weren't

[brazen sparrow]

Nah, they all are and always have been, lol

[gusty turret]

Oh then theres no way it isn't the same survivor because Rockwell talks about us taking a tour of the old frights or whatever

[gusty turret]

Not anchored to our reality but anchored to the Earth because the homodeus kinda depend on the transhuman technology to exist and have power over anything in the physical world

[brazen sparrow]

What she meant was more along the lines of meaning it was beyond her ability to do anything to help, and the little bit about others needing her or whatever iirc

[gusty turret]

She just says she cannot follow

[brazen sparrow]

Because she's fading out of our perceivable reality, yeah

And needed to do whatever it is she did on Earth real quick

(Which was most likely upload Diana and Mei-Yin's current consciousnesses to the Gen ship, tbh)

[gusty turret]

But like theres also no transhuman tech on the ship for her to be able to anchor to since that was entirely the federation besides the matrices?

She was relying on the system to have power over things

The ship wasn't tied into the system

[brazen sparrow]

There's tons of tech that she was able to flow through, and yes the ship is connected to the system, via a superluminal link, hence Arat Prime and us being uploaded to the ship that is lightyears away

[gusty turret]

The system is the resources the ark use to fabricate creatures and terraform and respawn us, no?

[brazen sparrow]

Also why there's things from the Arks and Earth (Extinction) on the ship

[gusty turret]

And also to purge the element once they return to Earth

[brazen sparrow]

Not necessarily, that's more of a physical feature than "the system", which is the engram storage and programming and such

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure the system is just the Arks and the ship was separate from that

Thats what the one who waits notes makes it sound like at least

[brazen sparrow]

The system is literally just another term for beeg computers behind everything to do with the Arks, the Gen ship, and how they both store data

[gusty turret]

That's why this is so important. That's why the System exists as it does. There were other designs, backups if you will, but the System was the first choice. Humanity needs its home, and it's up to you to build it.

It is here where the System was born, and the prototype was forged around it.

Referring to the prototype arks i assume?

But it's not free. Each time you return from death's clutches, there's a toll. Not for you - for the System. It takes resources, and resources can't be created, only converted.

You see those islands in the sky are seeds, and when they fall, they'll need what's left of the System's energy to bloom. So when the barren garden is fully revived, you'll lose the ability to revive yourself.

If the system was tied to the ship im pretty sure the ship would've stopped working cuz the reseeding process eats all the resources in the system-

But thats also probably why she was in a hurry because if the system was out of resources she basically wouldn't be able to do anything

[gusty turret]

Wait nope definitely the obelisk in the city

[brazen sparrow]

The ship had it's own power source, but that's irrelevant, the system is more than just the biomatter and such that it had stored to repair Earth is all I'm getting at

It's not as cut and dry as it sounds

[junior surge]

Helenas is likely been dead after the events of extinction. (When the arks returned to earth after the alpha king titans death) When we head to the genesis ship she likely faded into nothingness just like all the other homodeus before her ascension

[gusty turret]

But if the system expends all of its remaining energy, not just biomatter, to reseed there is no longer a system to utilize because its burnt out

I am curious on the implications of that for overseers though, do they all just die on the spot, do they have to be killed off one last time to lose their physical form and not be able to come back?

[brazen sparrow]

By resources, it mostly means biomatter with which to repair the Earth

[gusty turret]

But it directly says energy

[junior surge]

Its likely the overseers of the arks after the recall event were shut off, all except for obviously Rockwell

[brazen sparrow]

But that could be why she had to hurry back, because the energy was running out and had to upload some things still or whatever she was doing

[gusty turret]

Yeah exactly and shed no long have power to do anything after the system was burnt out

And the system the transhumans used that were tied in with the overseers and homodeus didn't exist on the Federations ship

[brazen sparrow]

Either way, this has been a very engaging conversation, but I need to go to sleep. Night y'all

[gusty turret]

She may be able to manifest there? But it'd probably also take a lot of energy to get to the ship which i imagine wouldn't be good for someone actively decaying from our reality

[gusty turret]

Night night

[junior surge]

The ultimate question is, how were reapers ever made anyways? Like what mad scientist decided reapers were a good idea

[gusty turret]

A mad scientist didn't a robot that was mad at the tek tribe did

Well

A faded god in a robot where an ai had taken over did

[junior surge]

Its insinuated that reapers always existed lomg before the tek tribe nuked the overseer platform though, they existed way deep in the underground caverns of the ark likely surfacing rarely at night time

[gusty turret]

Yeah it was done before they nuked the overseer

Because after they nuked it it couldn't exactly make anything new

It was kinda dead

[junior surge]

What im getting at is they always existed, it wasnt a protocol to make them like the ark on scorched caused a horde of mantis to attack that one city or the wyverns to attack. This ark naturally has reapers, likely the nameless were made by Rockwell but the reapers were already there

[arctic bison]

iirc one of the notes in abb had them ambushed by reapers in the molten element region, with one of the survivors being impregnated and later dying from the reaper chestbuster baby before or after they nuked the overseer (been a hot minute since i've read the aberration notes)

[junior surge]

That did happen and it was after the nuke sense they were as you said in the molten element region underground

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure that was always there

[gusty turret]

That was when Mei took an expedition down to get drake eggs

[gusty turret]

The nameless also weren't made by Rockwell

[junior surge]

You mean the undergrouns caves because if so yeah the caves always were there

[gusty turret]

The molten element thing was also always there

They just never explored the caverns before the nuke because they never needed to

[junior surge]

As said, likely due to the dossiers never showing nameless or establishing they exist during the reaper ambush and nameless always accompany reapers

[torpid pumice]

Seems like anything deep down in the caves were likely there pre-survivor notes, except for the nameless... just santiago and diana had to get all homemade bomb cray cray

[gusty turret]

I think you may be missing a few notes here and there

[gusty turret]

Nameless attack Mei in one of her first few notes

[torpid pumice]

That made everyone actually go explore

[gusty turret]

And Mei is there a good while before Rockwell or Helena

[junior surge]

Ive seen the notes and also keep track of other youtubers going over the notes and NONE besides the main dossier for the nameless, they never showed nameless in the main story dossiers

[gusty turret]

They absolutely do

[junior surge]

Are you sure that was a nameless and not a ravager or the 'squid bats'?

[torpid pumice]

Oh the nameless are based on Chupacabra. makes sense now...

[junior surge]

Actually wait i remember now good point actually

[gusty turret]

I was attacked by a pack of small monsters with spines on their backs. In another life, they would have terrified me, but now I fear no beast. I slew many of them, but more kept appearing. Even after killing the largest of them, they did not hesitate.

Mei note 4

Only when I neared a strange, glowing pillar did they retreat. They seem to fear the unusual light it emits. I should use that weakness against them.

[junior surge]

As said a moment ago, i said i remembered which note you were referring to and i retract my statement

I genuinely forgot mei yin faced a nameless pack and then proceeded to never show the nameless ever again, even during the reaper ambush

[gusty turret]

My mistake the expedition was to explore the ruins down in the rad zone the drake egg thing came before that

But the reaper still attacked on that expedition

[junior surge]

Meanwhile mei tranqed out a rock drake and tamed it and she said she 'raised' the rock drake

Would be cool to have the rockdrakes be a Knock out tame AND an egg tame like how the deinonychus were meant to be

[gusty turret]

Yeah im still curious about that

[junior surge]

I feel like that was meant to be a thing but they made rockdrakes a raise tame like the wyverns

[gusty turret]

She didn't tell them that actually they just kinda decided she did and she didn't tell them otherwise

Mei's just magic ig

Or maybe just no one has canonically tried to knock out a drake

[magic haven]

Guys how did Rockwell become so big and powerful

[gusty turret]

He injected himself with crack cocaine and grew tentacles

Then he smashed up the tek tribe and ran away and Mei chased him because he killed her girlfriend

Then the ground cracked open while they were fighting and he fell in and became the overseer of Abb just with none of the powers an overseer has

Rockwell got lost in the sauce

I think that sums up all of the ark story actually

[junior surge]

Element is one hell of a drug

[gusty turret]

Anyone asks any question just say Rockwell got lost in the sauce

[arctic bison]

He was mad Helena didn't bring him to her and Mei fighting the megapithicus and slowly started getting more lost in the sauce over time

[gusty turret]

That's just overcomplicating it though him being lost in the sauce covers everything that happens in the main storyline

[arctic bison]

What's the source of mostly everything in Ark's story? Element and Rockwell

[gusty turret]

Yeahhh

Curse David Tennant

[arctic bison]

He can't keep getting away with it

[gusty turret]

I can't believe hed commit genocide on everyone in a village except a baby which he leaves to fend for itself

Like how does he still have a platform

[arctic bison]

Overseers simply didn't care to ban him it seems

[gusty turret]

#notmydoctor

Another question

When they made the matrices did they include people like Hitler-

I know there's no way to know that but it's something to think about

[mental basin]

They couldn't have retrieved it :fancytroll:

Just a quick history lesson.

[gusty turret]

He killed himself? I mean so did Helena according to our knowledge at this point in time?

[mental basin]

He blew his brains out.

There is no Matrix to retrieve.

And we're still not certain whether or not TAS Helena's death is canon or not.

TL:DR No, H-Man hasn't been revived and never will.

[magic haven]

Why do the homodeus fade away after some time and what are they?

[gusty turret]

What are they literally or in a more figurative sense?

[magic haven]

I want to know why do they fade away

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure its because they're beings of pure energy or something along the lines of that

[magic haven]

Tnx

And how can we become one?

[mental basin]

Too much info. They pretty much see everything at all times, but can't interact with any of it.

Too much information causes them to crumble under the pressure over time.

And there's no process become one that's been explained, besides Helena's. She found a mysterious artifact in an old archive back on the Corrupted Earth, and put it into her implant, which eventually killed her.

But Mei brought her to some mysterious tomb Helena was having visions of, and it turned her into a HomoDeus.

This brings up more questions than answers, and it hasn't really been explained at all.

Helena says the path was closed behind her, so pretty much nobody else can become a Homo Deus. She's the last one.

I feel like that's more plot convenience than anything, but oh well.

And as to what a Homo Deus actually IS, they're a human ascended to a plane of existence beyond our own.

They're like ghosts, almost. But real.

[gusty turret]

Helena is the reason we have to put those little rubber things on outlets so children don't put metal into them

[lyric tendon]

Considering the new Rockwell notes in Ab make him more sympathetic despite the fact that he left a baby to die in a middle of a desert along with his/her rotted parents

[brazen sparrow]

Since when was this insinuated? I have no recollection of this being the case, as they are pretty clearly a human-hunting, supposedly untameable (as far as the note tribes are concerned) scourge meant to wipe out the tek tribe for their transgressions

[brazen sparrow]

But a good while after the Overseer is nuked, to be fair

[brazen sparrow]

[brazen sparrow]

This isn't entirely known, how the matrix is preserved after death. Seeing as how both Rockwell and Mei-Yin's brains would've been entirely disintegrated by now, I think it's fair to say that the engrammic matrix is tied moreso to your being as a whole, not just the physical matter that is your brain

[mental basin]

The thing is that they don't disintegrate, that's their entire gimmick.

And it's explicitly said to be a funky brain bit.

So if that funky brain bit is blown to smaller brainy bits, I doubt it's even worth salvaging. Not even worth, I'm not sure you could if you wanted to.

[brazen sparrow]

Where was it stated that it was a explicitly a physical piece of the brain? I must've missed that part.

[mental basin]

In Gen1, a HLN-A note

It's the one that introduced the idea
There's like ten billion though so I'm not gonna root through them in class

Maybe later

[quaint marsh]

It's up to you I think. Personally I don't see the animated series as canon

[gusty turret]

I think its 50/50

Theres certain bits that we should use to fill in gaps in the regular lore but the rest should be purely entertainment

[mental basin]

That right there

[lyric tendon]

Not really as the anime made huge change

I consider that as a MCU-esque canon

The only "gap" that the anime filled is Helena's origin story

The rest is massively altered

[gusty turret]

We've only seen like 3 minutes of content we don't know what they're changed

[lyric tendon]

Mei and Helena did not fought Brood, the Iron Brotherhood did

Nerva dislike making himself looked barbaric in the notes yet in the anime, he dressed up like the Ork leader in ARK 2

Bob appeared first before Helena even became HD and he is guiding her instead of her as HD guides him

[gusty turret]

Yeahhh but no overseer means no new creatures so its safe to assume they were always there

[bold dove]

"Like the ork leader"
You......you do know how Romans warlords used to dress up as, right?

[mental basin]

Doesn't matter if he said outright he displeased looking barbaric.

[bold dove]

Fair enough, but it also differs what his definition of 'barbaric' is.

[lyric tendon]

Should we ask our resident Latin mastered historian for that?

[mental basin]

Me personally I love his new design better than the old one, but can recognize it's not entirely accurate.

[bold dove]

Sure

[mental basin]

"I hate being barbaric"
*Becomes barbaric
I'll accept it because he looks badass.

[gusty turret]

Is there anywhere besides fan decision that its said our players name is bob?

[lyric tendon]

Bob is a default name

[gusty turret]

So?

[mental basin]

Our names are The Ones Who Try Again

[gusty turret]

Gameplay feature≠canon

[mental basin]

We aren't the only Survivor

Everyone is more or less canon in a sense

[lyric tendon]

Technically Bob is one of those "the one who tries again"

[mental basin]

Which is very fun considering I regularly eat my own shit

[bold dove]

No it isn't

[mental basin]

Yes it is

[lyric tendon]

No

[gusty turret]

Not necessarily that either because that is the name Helena gives us, we still have our own regular name its hust never stated what that name is

[mental basin]

Helena literally said so

[bold dove]

No it fucking isn't.
I will never accept it.

[mental basin]

Uhhhhh good for you but this is lore we're talking here

[bold dove]

Ahh, then HLN-A contradicts this and calls us 'survivor'

[gusty turret]

Its more of a nickname, a title

[lyric tendon]

It's a title

[mental basin]

HLN-A isn't Helena 💀

[bold dove]

One-Who-Waits even calls us 'survivor' is the Genesis-1 trailer

[mental basin]

Faster to say than 'One Who Tries Again'

Anyways Helena says she sees everything we do

[lyric tendon]

Aren't the trailer got reconned

[mental basin]

I wonder how she reacts to my constant shit consumption

[bold dove]

SHHHH!!

[mental basin]

[gusty turret]

Yeah i was thinking the trailer kinda got trashed

It would be cooler if it didn't but oh well

[bold dove]

Santiago is also retconned, but you don't bring that up much anymore.

[gusty turret]

Another thing we should bring up more

Vindiago is the inferior Santiago

[mental basin]

Okay but was it OUTRIGHT retconned or was it a Wildcard trademark inconsistency

[lyric tendon]

Not really, Santiago has an AU character named Vin Diesel

[bold dove]

Probably just inconsistency.

[mental basin]

The Trailer I mean

[gusty turret]

Hes no longer big brain weapon man hes just hit things hard man now

[mental basin]

I still really don't see how it could be a retcon either, it doesn't really break anything

Red if you're watching I'm sorry

[gusty turret]

Like they could just retcon it out of existence

[mental basin]

Hihihihi Golden

[gusty turret]

There doesn't have to be issues with it they could just decide " i don't like this" and it no longer exists in the universe

[mental basin]

But they didn't

[stray storm]

like marc laidlaw would say for half life, nothing is canon

[mental basin]

OH Mazzy happy birthday!

You guys should wish Mazzy a happy birthday... NOW ⛈️

[lyric tendon]

Tbh the change of writers kinda mess things up

[mental basin]

A li'l

But we'll make it work

Fries has good intentions even if a little mislead

[bold dove]

That's usually the case, yes.

[mental basin]

Let's just subliminally push him into writing the ARK 2 we want

[bold dove]

Exactly.
And if he, or anyone else writing fucks up. We'll make it known that we hate it.

[lyric tendon]

I like the idea of a plan B but not the whole "I made the smartest character into a PTSD cave man"

[mental basin]

💀

[brazen sparrow]

You're actually right, it isn't plural, it's "The One Who Tries Again"

You people are rabid, I swear

[lyric tendon]

You should see the people who are prefer the books over the movie/show adaptations

Hell ask Henry Cavill if he liked the Witcher adaptation he was roled in with a writer who DGAF about the source material

[brazen sparrow]

That's not anywhere near the same situation, but ok lol

Besides, we've had this conversation before a thousand times, why the hell do y'all keep bringing it up? Coulda sworn Dollie even came in to say something about it at one point...

Anywho, TL;DR, I'm gonna drop it here and suggest you lot do too

[lyric tendon]

Nah this is the lore nerdz domain

Peace was never an option 🦢🔪

[brazen sparrow]

Oh and Merry Birthmas

[lyric tendon]

Ye thanks

[gusty turret]

I think we should let me write lore

[lyric tendon]

No

[plain plover]

I think we should let me write lore

[bold dove]

[lyric tendon]

I mean... ARK DMC when???

[plain plover]

and then Rockwell said: "You truly are the ARK Survival Evolved"

Also ARK DMC may actually be a thing, considering making it as a project

[lyric tendon]

This brings me back to "why the Tek era people don't speak in memes"

[plain plover]

I just need a hyper realistic scan of my face to make me the main character

[lyric tendon]

There is an app for that

[plain plover]

not real enough

but I have learned how to do motion tracking

[lyric tendon]

Unless you want to buy that Creality 3D scanner thingy

[plain plover]

I will simply model my own face from scratch

[lyric tendon]

Baller

[gusty turret]

I got first dibs

[rain dock]

There is a lot to it lol.

[stone otter]

Why do abberant creatures have a glow?

[gusty turret]

As an adaptation to their low light environment

[mental basin]

Devil May Survive
Featuring Polar-Express-Type facial animation

[mental basin]

Element in le soil made them uv lamps over time

[strong python]

Someone explain ark lore in one word

Nice

I now understand ark lore

[bold oxide]

Nice

[bold dove]

Element

[tired osprey]

Case #31082 @dusty ferry has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[gusty turret]

Space-cocaine

[bold oxide]

Magikal-ore

[bold dove]

Humans

Yes.

The explorer-notes.

Watch NeddytheNoodle's Survival-Stories.
They're a recreation of them

If you want a chronological order, then it goes "The-Island" (and author in any order is fine) "Scorched Earth" (John or Raia, then Rockwell and Helena after those two) "Aberration" (Diana, then Mei-Yin, then Rockwell and Helena at the end) "Extinction" (Santiago, then Mei-Yin, after that Helena, then Diana again, then finally The-One-Who-Waits)

[dense ice]

That's the second part 🙂

the first one is called (Prologue)

6 more to come

[stoic kettle]

Oooo the man himself. Neddy, I really enjoyed your videos. They were well done. Ive been a fan of machinima and gotta say your vids are fantastic. Keep it up. 😁

[maiden pine]

A dodo farted (cannon)

[magic haven]

Guys I don’t understand 1 thing

What destroyed the earth? Was it the corruption or the war from the factions?

[lyric tendon]

Both

Corruption is the pollution byproduct of the war

[magic haven]

The corruption is element right?

[lyric tendon]

Yrp

[magic haven]

How did the element become corrupted?

[lyric tendon]

Overuse

Or rather weaponized

Tbh the origin of corruption is open ended... The info we know in the notes is

1. they use element in war

2. the war ended when corruption starts spreading

[magic haven]

Tnx

Are there any notes that say how did the corruption create the titans?

[lyric tendon]

None I can think off

But the only thing is confirmed is that not all corruption is bad

See Ext exclusive creatures... Especially the Snow Owl dossier

But the theory is that the protoARKs are the source of the Titans and Corrupted Creatures

[magic haven]

Yes, but I think the ice one is just a corrupted monster that was the last of the species, same for the desert, the forest one I think is just a bunch of corrupted trees, for the king idk

Pls tell me if I am wrong

[lyric tendon]

The alpha king is Tek manifested

[magic haven]

I know that but what abou the gamma and beta?

[lyric tendon]

None is known about the Titans themselves

Not even Helena (who has the spare time in the world to write the dossiers apparently) has a chance to ever document them

For what is confirmed in the Titans is that there are more than 4 of them

And the King is waaaayyy bigger than in game

[magic haven]

But is the king the same as in the game except for the fact that it is bigger?

[lyric tendon]

The king in the notes supposed to have a big X Scar from Santiago's Mega Mek

[junior cosmos]

can anyone gimme a link to a video which explains the lore well?

[lyric tendon]

Neddy the Noodle in YouTube

[broken star]

Element

The Element Wars seeded the planet with enough of it that it started growing, corrupting, and killing the world

At some point, it got so bad it was corrupting creatures and making titans. Not sure when this point is, but I think it had to be after they launched the Genesis ship

[broken star]

All four Titans are created by Element, they're not pre-existing corrupted creatures

The King himself is essentially Element's avatar

When you're fighting him to that rad music, you're not just fighting a random godzilla monster- You're fighting the very physical embodiment of the Earth's extinction

[tired stream]

Wonder what other titans exist

[mental basin]

Nonononononononono

What???

The Corruption is the source of the Titans and Corrupted Creatures.

NOT the Proto-ARKs

[lyric tendon]

yes but where does the biomass (the dinos) and the ability to spawn random corrupted creatures at will?

[mental basin]

Wandering Creatures

[lyric tendon]

and where are the non-animal creatures came from?

[mental basin]

Do you mean to say the Corrupted Creatures CAME from the Proto-ARKs and got Corrupted?

THAT makes sense.

[lyric tendon]

plaussibly

[mental basin]

They aren't generated from the Proto-ARKs themselves. It's the Corruption that's Corrupting them, not the PA's.

And the Titans have said to be made purely from Corrupted Element themselves.

[lyric tendon]

but how did the corrputed creatures suddenly spawned in... like there is an animation/particles for the spawning

[mental basin]

Hypothetically, Element could fabricate them out of nowhere.

Or it's just a game mechanic

[lyric tendon]

my idea is from the ob in the proto ark itself especially sunken

again theory here.. feel free to refute

[mental basin]

I do refute, they aren't Corrupted. In fact, they're described as Sanctuaries by Helena.

They have nothing to do with it.

Here's my take-

[lyric tendon]

but how does it have the ability to summon the titans then?

i can think Helene does that as well because its the same as in the ARKs where you have to have the tributes to spawn

[mental basin]

The Corrupted Creatures were created to be a constant in the Wasteland. So they constantly have to he spawning in, right? Instead of having them just pop in out of nowhere, they gave them a cool fabrication animation.

[mental basin]

They don't. Those aren't the Obelisks.

[lyric tendon]

arent the obs do have a platform to summon them

[mental basin]

They're just Terminals, which are a game mechanic.

[lyric tendon]

environmental story telling exist

[mental basin]

Nuh-uh. It's just a game mechanic

The whole process of bringing the Tributes to summon the Titans is canon, as stated by Helena, but we have to have a place to do it.

Therefore the existence of the Terminals.

[lyric tendon]

i think that is it

that is no "game mechanic"

[mental basin]

It is though.

[lyric tendon]

it's actually an environmental story telling

where do you think they would place those tributes?

[mental basin]

Lemme reword it, the Terminals themselves don't "fabricate the Titans", it's the act of bringing the Tributes to garner their attention that summons them, again, as stated by Helena.

[lyric tendon]

the terminal is always connected to the OB in the Proto ARKs.. take note here ARKs

[mental basin]

And if you look at the spawn animation for the Corrupted and the Titans, they're the same. So perhaps the Corrupted are just being "summon"ed in from afar whenever they spawn in.

[lyric tendon]

but why attraction to the OB then

[mental basin]

They aren't, though. The Obelisks, again, are stayed to be prototypes by Helena. They have no functionality besides funni dome

[mental basin]

There is none.

The devs just decided to have the battles take place in the ARKs

Which makes the most sense, as the Titans have elements corresponding to said ARKs

Why would we fight the Ice Titan in the middle of the Sulfur Fields

We wouldn't

[lyric tendon]

no.. remember they are ProtoARKs... the OB is there to terraform and manipulate an ecosystem, they were there before helena cloned