And that wouldn't be literal anyways.
#lore-nerdz
mental basin
dim palm
Oh ofc
mental basin
But either way, it was a-ok on the surface, had big caves nobody bothered to explore because a) they apparently didn't notice and b) the surface was good enough anyways. Tek Nuke goes boom, surface melts, they go into the caves, fuck with the ARK, ARK bites back, Rockwell eventually becomes the Overseer, everyone escapes to Earth.
dim palm
It still irritates me that there’s no tek cave on the surface of aberration
mental basin
Why would there be?
mental basin
I mean, Scorched has one in the lore, but it's extremely different from The Island's.
mental basin
The Manticore is actually the Overseer of Scorched, and it dropped an Artifact upon defeat that Rockwell and Helena use to ascend after being led by Raia to the Collosseum.
It's behind the doors of the Collosseum, actually.
dim palm
The manticore isn’t the overseer of scorched
mental basin
Yep. He is.
dim palm
@bold dove
mental basin
I guess not every ARK has an implant-shaped one.
dim palm
No, they are all implant shaped
mental basin
Nope.
dim palm
The manticore is a guardian, not the overseer. Rockwell is both because of special circumstances
dim palm
Where are you getting this information from?
mental basin
My source is that I made it the fuck up.
dim palm
Bruh
mental basin
dim palm
Alright
Well, just to let you know, all overseers look the same (beside Rockwell) and the manticore is just a guardian, not an overseer
mental basin
It would, though, make some modicum of sense considering Helena and Rockwell never had to fight one on Scorched.
dim palm
Yeah no it’s really weird they didn’t have to
mental basin
Nor did they mention it. Additionally, we straight up ascend in the Manticore Arena, so... not sure if that overwrote preexisting lore, or what.
dim palm
I don’t really consider that canon
Scorched earth doesn’t even have a tek cave we can explore
mental basin
Nor did they mention it. Additionally, we straight up ascend in the Manticore Ar...
Considering, again, all Helena and Rockwell had to do was bring an Artifact to a pedestal in the Tek Cave.
dim palm
I would deadass play scorched earth more if they added 2 more guardians and an overseer
mental basin
I don’t really consider that canon
I'd consider it as such, but it doesn't matter either way. Two different journeys have the same destination.
We end up at Ab either way.
dim palm
I guess so
I just hate how scorched was never finished and now they finally add an ascension but it fucks up the lore
mental basin
I would deadass play scorched earth more if they added 2 more guardians and an o...
Not even sure if all the ARKs have 3 Guardians.
dim palm
Like, just add a tek cave and the two other guardians and you’re golden
dim palm
Not even sure if all the ARKs have 3 Guardians.
It’s never explicitly stated I believe, but I like to imagine they do
mental basin
In order of the maps:
TI: 3 Guardians, 1 Overseer
SE: 1 Guardian, 1 Overseer (Which may be the same entity)
AB: 0 Guardians, 1 Overseer (Now Rockwell)
dim palm
Considering the whole point of the arks was to prepare people to fight the titans and there are 3 normal titans and the king titans (correlating to 3 guardians and an overseer)
mental basin
The Guardians are less of a test for the Titans than you're giving them credit for imo.
dim palm
Scorched might’ve had 3 guardians planned but honestly it wasn’t ever fully finished sooo
🤷♂️
mental basin
Kanye: I guess we' neva kno.
dim palm
Ong
Im glad they finally added the ascension to scorched but it really does throw a wrench into the lore
mental basin
Maybe Rockwell could sense we defeated the Manticore, started the process of Ascnesion and yoinks is halfway through.
I doubt it, but it's not as big of a stretch as you might think.
We know he can interfere with the other ARKs considering the fact that he yoinks us mid-ascension.
And he's connected to the ARKs, so maybe, just maybe, he was waiting for the opportune moment to pounce.
dim palm
Are we sure that was him?
It might’ve just been aberration itself interfering with the ascension
Cuz it is pretty fucked up
mental basin
Are we sure that was him?
Probably. You can hear him laughing maniacally as it happens.
Which to me infers that he's behind it.
dim palm
I thought he laughs after we land
mental basin
We'll have to see, you do bring up a good point.
dim palm
They should remake the island’s ascension
At the end of it we just kind of glide down onto scorched earth XD
And then look at scorched’a ascension where we fucking fall down into a cave
mental basin
I mean yeah, we were pretty much getting transferred on The Island.
And there's no dome on Ab, so yes we crash landed.
Painfully I'd assume.
dim palm
I wish we got to see more canon ARKs
Like, aren’t there thousands of ARKs in the System?
mental basin
Mhm.
dim palm
I would have loved to see them all
mental basin
🤨
dim palm
If they remade ark in ark 2’s engine I would gladly drop $300 to play it with all the dlcs
Ofc fixing some shit like adding the tek cave to scorched and a tek cave to aberration
And adding the overseer to scorched and (maybe) 2 more guardians
mental basin
$300 you've lost your mind
dim palm
I’m a dedicated fan
I would gladly drop thAt
Who cares about needing to eat food when you can play ark 😍
fallow sapphire
Theres a line between dedication and obsession
mental basin
He's lost it
dim palm
Okay yeah it’s an obsession
I fucking love ark 🤤
I would love to play in the genesis simulation in its prime before Rockwell
fallow sapphire
That I can agree with
dim palm
Fighting all 5 master ai’s and the master controller
mental basin
Lmao Gen1 is so half-assed.
dim palm
I like it a lot tbh
mental basin
Gen1 is one of my least favorite DLCs.
fallow sapphire
Well you have to wonder though, would you even fight the master controller if it was all working correctly?
dim palm
Well you have to wonder though, would you even fight the master controller if it...
Yes you would
mental basin
Maybe, maybe not.
fallow sapphire
Would you? Your goal wouldn’t be to escape the simulation
dim palm
Keep in mind when you teleport to the fight, the name is “The Final Test”
It’s to show you are ready
I assume you would
mental basin
Sk8 is right, you're not supposed to escape the sim.
fallow sapphire
No I get that, but the simulation was built to prepare survivors for whatever planet they were going to, and the master controller was just the brains behind the entire operation
dim palm
I get that but why would the teleport into the boss fight be called the final test
mental basin
Not the brains, moreso the nervous system. They're pretty much Overseers of each biome.
fallow sapphire
So why would you fight it? Master AI’s sure, but why the Master Controller?
dim palm
Yeah he’s basically the super overseer
mental basin
And TMC is the big Overseer.
dim palm
Or the overseer of the overseers
mental basin
Notice how he's named the CORRUPTED Master Controller. I have an old theory about the name..
dim palm
I know it’s Rockwell
Gen 1 and gen 2 are my favorite maps along with aberration
Scorched is my least favorite story map
fallow sapphire
Really? Gen 1 is up there for me, but Gen 2 feels very empty with it being so big
dim palm
Gen 2 does feel empty but I like how open it is it’s very unique
The missions are good, it has good loot, missions to keep you busy
Interesting tames, etc
It’s one of my favs
fallow sapphire
It’s also probably the second easiest map to beat lol
fallow sapphire
Nah, Manticore is
dim palm
I beat it solo with just 3 r-reapers
fallow sapphire
Rockwell Prime takes a close second though
dim palm
I’ve never fought the manticore
fallow sapphire
Manticore is pretty easily beatable with a shotgun and a mount
dim palm
Just a single mount?
fallow sapphire
Aye
dim palm
Wtf
dim palm
Does he give any unique telegrams that only he drops?
fallow sapphire
Unique? No. Story map wise he gives the tek shield which is unique
But otherwise no
dim palm
So there’s no point in fighting him
fallow sapphire
Not really, atleast not till scorched ascension
dim palm
Wel finally reach past level 200 with scorched’s ascension
fallow sapphire
Saying scorched gives levels
fallow sapphire
Would be the easiest 15 levels ever
fallow sapphire
If they don’t it’ll be the only ascension that doesn’t I believe
King titan
dim palm
He doesn’t?
fallow sapphire
Nope
dim palm
Wtf
fallow sapphire
Only the home deus record
fallow sapphire
Nope
dim palm
I saw a photo of a Terran federation implant. I guess it was a fake
fallow sapphire
The implant image in the inventory has that, but the actual implant doesnt
dim palm
I dmed you it
arctic bison
implant description changes, but the visual implant model doesn't
dim palm
Ohhh so it’s real
If we ever get to fight the scorched overseer do y’all think we would get a new implant? I don’t think we would
Like, all overseers would give an overseer implant that looked the same
Also why the fuck is the beta overseer implant yellow and not blue
fallow sapphire
Like, all overseers would give an overseer implant that looked the same
Yeah thats what I figure aswell
fallow sapphire
Also why the fuck is the beta overseer implant yellow and not blue
No idea
dim palm
It’s so irritating
The beta Rockwell implant is blue hologram and it doesn’t fit the implant at all
fallow sapphire
Especially cause beta rockwell is yellow lol
dim palm
He is?
fallow sapphire
Yep
dim palm
Wtf
fallow sapphire
Glows yellow for beta
dim palm
Weird
fallow sapphire
Standard purple for gamma, and red for alpha
arctic bison
alpha easily
fallow sapphire
Alpha
dim palm
Personally I love the way gamma with the gamma Rockwell hologram looks
fallow sapphire
Alpha Rockwell aswell looks amazing
dim palm
Why is there no wiki page for proto-arks?
dim palm
@mental basin @fallow sapphire I just remembered something that might indicate that the master controller (uncorrupted) would be a boss in the genesis simulation
After you beat him, you get a Terran federation implant
mental basin
That's just a gameplay feature...
fallow sapphire
Speaking of Implants though, I’m curious if the implant change is a thing for the survivors in the explorer notes. Cause you would think that would be something to mention at some point or another
dim palm
That's just a gameplay feature...
I’m just sayin… the moeder doesn’t give anything special, neither does the manticore
bold dove
<@320344899415310337>
Don't talk to Stel.
Man is denser then a black-hole
dim palm
Don't talk to Stel.
Man is denser then a black-hole
Whatchu mean
You get what I’m talking about though right?
bold dove
Whatchu mean
It means what I said.
You try to tell him something else, and he wont accept it.
bold dove
You get what I’m talking about though right?
Yeah, Manticore isn't an Overseer. It's a Guardian.
dim palm
Yeah, Manticore isn't an Overseer. It's a Guardian.
On god. Rockwell is a special case since he’s both a guardian and overseer, but the manticore isn’t that
bold dove
On god. Rockwell is a special case since he’s both a guardian and overseer, but ...
Rockwell isn't a guardian, he's just a flatout overseer
dim palm
On the wiki he’s considered a guardian as well
bold dove
On the wiki he’s considered a guardian as well
Wiki is filled with idiots that like to sub-class literally everything.
dim palm
I think the reasoning behind it is that he has a physical body, unlike the element-tek body of the overseers
bold dove
I think the reasoning behind it is that he has a physical body, unlike the eleme...
That's not what makes a overseer.
dim palm
I mean it kinda makes sense. You don’t access him in a tek cave
I get what you mean tho
dim palm
That's not what makes a overseer.
He doesn’t reside in the observation deck, AND he has his own arena
And like I said ylu don’t go through a tek cave to fight him
bold dove
He doesn’t reside in the observation deck, AND he has his own arena
Cause it's fucking blown up.
dim palm
Cause it's fucking blown up.
Well, yeah, but I’m just saying he has an arena, isn’t accessed by a tek cave, and has a physical body
Those are attributes of a guardian
bold dove
If you have single-player enabled, you can only access his fight via the terminal in the radiation-zone.
'Which' seems to be the remnants of the old tek-cave.
dim palm
If you have single-player enabled, you can only access his fight via the termina...
I thought so too! I knew I saw something resembling a tek cave in there
bold dove
Those are attributes of a guardian
The key thing with guardians, is they require an obelisk to access their arena.
Rockwell doesn't if you enable single-player.
dim palm
Wait I don’t remember do you access him with his own terminal or is it the obelisks
bold dove
I thought so too! I knew I saw something resembling a tek cave in there
Above him in his arena is also the exact same globe thing that's above you at the end of the tek-cave, before you teleport into the hall-of-history
bold dove
Wait I don’t remember do you access him with his own terminal or is it the obeli...
You 'can' access him with anything if you're on a server.
But if you have single-player enabled, you can only get to him via his own personal terminal.
dim palm
I see
dim palm
You 'can' access him with anything if you're on a server.
But if you have single...
I thought about something, something that helps my theory that all canon arks are supposed to have 3 guardians
On every ARK there are 3 obelisks. Each obelisk is for its own guardian. On the island you have to go to specific obelisks to summon specific guardians
bold dove
I thought about something, something that helps my theory that all canon arks ar...
They are.
It'd be odd to have only a single guardian everyone can easily master, and just get off of the ARK.
bold dove
On every ARK there are 3 obelisks. Each obelisk is for its own guardian. On the ...
Correct.
bold dove
Yeah, that's kind of a given that there's more then one guardian per ARK
dim palm
I could’ve sworn you didn’t
bold dove
Nope
dim palm
Wow finally someone who agrees with me 😭
I would’ve loved to see aberration’s guardians
Imagine how fucking crazy they were
Like, some giant abominations that fit aberration’s feeling perfectly
@bold dove what do you think they could’ve been?
dim palm
I like to think about it 🤤
I wonder what scorched earth’s other guardians could be/could’ve been
bold dove
I wonder what scorched earth’s other guardians could be/could’ve been
Deathworm Matriarch.
And a living Sphinx
Or hell, a chimera
dim palm
Yeah a chimera would’ve been more likely
dim palm
Deathworm Matriarch.
And a living Sphinx
A living sphinx would’ve been cursed as fuck
Or one could be Cerberus
Or something like that
Since they’re related to chimeras
mental basin
Don't talk to Stel.
Man is denser then a black-hole
Rude.
dim palm
@bold dove the Azhdaha is a cool concept for a guardian
I’m not talking about the genshin impact stuff btw
🤢
brazen sparrow
I just hate how scorched was never finished and now they *finally* add an ascens...
It only fucks up the lore as much as Aberration's "ascension" does, lmao
dim palm
It only fucks up the lore as much as Aberration's "ascension" does, lmao
How does aberrations ascension fuck up lore?
brazen sparrow
Unique? No. Story map wise he gives the tek shield which is unique
There's also the tek sword and tek light, which I'd say are preeeeeeeeetty important
bold dove
A living sphinx would’ve been cursed as fuck
Living sphinx's have been a thing
brazen sparrow
How does aberrations ascension fuck up lore?
My point exactly
bold dove
Jesse is playing a game.
Never heard of it. Wonder if it's good
brazen sparrow
Man, a lot of unconfirmed speculation thrown around in just a few short hours, my head hurts just for reading it
bold dove
Man, a lot of unconfirmed speculation thrown around in just a few short hours, m...
What happened?
brazen sparrow
Everything
bold dove
Round it down
brazen sparrow
This whole channel basically for the past 8 hours
dim palm
Pikmen aberrations ascension doesn’t fuck up lore
bold dove
I've just been speculating what the guardians could've been on Scorched for fun. 
bold dove
Pikmen aberrations ascension doesn’t fuck up lore
That's his point
dim palm
Scorched’s ascension implies we don’t have to fight the overseer to ascend
bold dove
I'd say it's the 'fight' that fucks up the lore. Not the ascension cutscene itself.
dim palm
And yes I know about the terminal ascension blah blah blah
Yeah
That’s what I mean. Why the fuck would one of the HARSHEST ARKs in the System allow someone to ascend after beating a single guardian
bold dove
I could see it if Helena forcefully changed the system.
But that's never been confirmed.
dim palm
What do you mean by system? I’m using the term “the System” as the term used to reference all of the arks as a collective whole
bold dove
What do you mean by system? I’m using the term “the System” as the term used to ...
I mean Scorched's ascension protocol.
dim palm
I see
bold dove
It was Helena that changed the ARK's to make us respawn.
So she could've also made Scorched an easier ARK to ascend from
dim palm
But in that case why not remove wyberns and mantises or better yet make the island easier
But that wouldn’t make sense since it would be counter productive to make an ark ascension easier
bold dove
But in that case why not remove wyberns and mantises or better yet make the isla...
Cause there still needs to be a challenge.
dim palm
Since the whole point is to grow stronger
bold dove
Correct.
But we've already proven ourselves to one overseer.
bold dove
Sure, but the story doesn't revolve around those people.
It revolves around 'The Survivor' which from the new intros, canonically started on The Island
dim palm
I get that but what about the other clones on other arks
bold dove
Then in-universe they might have to do it the old fashion way
dim palm
Wdym
bold dove
Wdym
It means what I said.
'Old fashion way' as in via the Overseer
Either way, they'll end up on Aberration.
The hardest and most important ARK.
dim palm
Yeah I guess the new ascension confirmed people are being pulled into aberration huh?
bold dove
Yeah I guess the new ascension confirmed people are being pulled into aberration...
Correct
dim palm
That’s scary. Either Rockwell is pulling us in to gather people for his army/kill people who aren’t subservient or Helena is forcing us there to deal with Rockwell and/or go to the ARK with the only teleporter to earth
bold dove
That’s scary. Either Rockwell is pulling us in to gather people for his army/kil...
I believe it's the former.
It seems like Aberration is a locked off ARK (which makes sense) since we where heading towards a different ARK. (Helena and Rockwell went directly to Aberration after Scorched, before it was locked out)
Rockwell sees us as either Helena's best champion, or something important to her that he wants to ruin, and make her feel as he feels about her.
dim palm
I believe it's the former.
It seems like Aberration is a locked off ARK (which m...
Either that or were the only threat against him
Nevermind that doesn’t make any sense
Or wait maybe it does. Maybe deal with us before we get too strong to where he won’t be able to deal with us
bold dove
Or wait maybe it does. Maybe deal with us before we get too strong to where he w...
Yep.
Kill us before we have a chance to become even stronger.
dim palm
I would’ve loved to see what ark we were originally going to
bold dove
Survivor: "Jokes on you Rockwell. You're only making my Kill-Count go higher."
bold dove
Lore question: why do the titans require terminals to summon?
They don't.
Canonically, they're suppose to be roaming the map
dim palm
That’s what I thought
Prime example of why just because something happens in game it doesn’t mean it’s canon
bold dove
Oooh yeah.
What we see is a video-game.
What is happening in-canon is a whole universe
dim palm
Cough ascending after killing the manticore cough
I refuse to believe we do that canonically
It just doesn’t make sense and it throws a wrench into the lore
bold dove
It just doesn’t make sense and it throws a wrench into the lore
It does, and I think they did that cause they didn't want to make a whole ass new tek-cave.
Which is understandable.
Buuuuuuuuuuut.
I still would've loved a flier-version of the Tek-Cave and Overseer fight
dim palm
It does, and I think they did that cause they didn't want to make a whole ass ne...
yeah scorched is so sad in the fact tht everything about it was half assed. even when they added the ascension, it was half assed bc they didnt add the tek cave and its overseer + 2 guardians
bold dove
At least we have an ending now
dim palm
At least we have an ending now
honestly if they gave scorched the TLC it desperately needs, and added those things, i would actually play it. theres no point to stay on scorched after you beat the manticore which is already super easy and its quick to defeat. if i had to farm for a long time and gather good tames to fight an overseer, that would keep me on the map more
rain dock
I doubt they are going to add 3 more boss fights to scorched lol. Out of all the maps in ark there are only 2 that have the full 4 fights, and those are the island and fjordur. It would imo be a waste of effort on their end to add more fights to a 7 year old map, I am just happy they put the ascension to help continuity to gameplay.
iron lake
A mantis boss would be great on scorched and fall in line somewhat with the story.
rain dock
Could be, but this late after it released and so soon before ark2 it wouldnt make sense to add a new boss to taht map
iron lake
Nothing added would make sense at this point
rain dock
Yeah, so for that reason I am happy the added the ascention and the new cutscenes, but dont want to ask for anything else lol
lime ether
I'm still mad that rag invalidated scorched so hard
lyric tendon
I'm still mad that rag invalidated scorched so hard
Rag is not canon
lime ether
Rag is not canon
My point is why go to scorched when ragnarok literally took every single thing on scorched aside from the phoenix
lyric tendon
gameplay ≠ lore
lime ether
Is it incorrect though
brazen sparrow
No, but again, this is a lore channel...
lime ether
Very very true. Thematically I very much love scorched
I wish raiya's home was somewhere we could explore
pulsar sky
I mean isn’t the artifact cave out in the desert a portion of Nosti that one can explore? Raiya’s home might be there.
lime ether
She moved on top of one of the mountains after she hatched her wyverns, that's the place I mean! When she adopted her alias
pulsar sky
She moved on top of one of the mountains after she hatched her wyverns, that's t...
Ah that’s what you meant, was it closer to red or blue obelisk?
lime ether
I don't think they ever specified
pulsar sky
I’ll assume raiya lives at the tallest mountain, which would be near red obelisk.
brazen sparrow
I think it is one of those ones near there
daring yarrow
I mean isn’t the artifact cave out in the desert a portion of Nosti that one can...
We need more natural structures we can LIVE in.
pulsar sky
We need more natural structures we can LIVE in.
you're right, great that the later maps introduced that, mostly the free dlc maps.
daring yarrow
you're right, great that the later maps introduced that, mostly the free dlc map...
Yea rag and lost are amazing
dim palm
Would anybody else pay $300 to play ARK 1 remade in ARK 2’s engine? Like, fixed and everything. (Oh and adding the other boss fights to scorched and add it’s tek cave… and also maybe a tek cave on aberration’s surface)
Like, with all DLCs
lyric tendon
The engine doesn't matter if you end up having the same jank
UE 4 is not even the only issue of why ARK is like that
dim palm
The engine doesn't matter if you end up having the same jank
UE 4 is not even t...
I should’ve mentioned built from the ground up. They completely rewrite the code, new models based on the original models, etc. It would be a complete remake in all aspects. It would just use ARK 1 as a reference to base everything off of. Let’s say it feels and plays identical to current ark, so it doesn’t feel alien.
bold dove
Would anybody else pay $300 to play ARK 1 remade in ARK 2’s engine? Like, fixed ...
ARK is nowhere near 300$, so hell no
dim palm
Also lore question: if free dlc arks aren’t canon, why do they have their own unique creatures you can bring into canon arks?
bold dove
Also lore question: if free dlc arks aren’t canon, why do they have their own un...
Gameplay
bold dove
That is the reason.
Transfering started as a gameplay mechanic before they added lore to it.
So transfering creatures from custom-ARK's was an oversight in the continuity.
dim palm
I guess
😔
@bold dove does the crystal wyvern queen and dinopithecus king show up in your survival quotient?
pseudo nimbus
No
dim palm
Okay, good. If they did wouldn’t that fuck up lore?
Also what’s the point of fighting the fenrisulfr if all you unlock is the tek sword?
pseudo nimbus
You unlock more then the tek sword pretty sure
pseudo nimbus
Also what’s the point of fighting the fenrisulfr if all you unlock is the tek sw...
Completionist
dim palm
Completionist
What’s the point if your survival quotient doesn’t show you beat it?
Also does the Santiago clone that emerges at the end of genesis 2 have Santiago’s memories?
bold dove
Also does the Santiago clone that emerges at the end of genesis 2 have Santiago’...
We don't know. But assuming the "ghost of his past" comment on the steampage, most likely
dim palm
We don't know. But assuming the "ghost of his past" comment on the steampage, mo...
Did all Santiago clones have the same consciousness/memories?
bold dove
Did all Santiago clones have the same consciousness/memories?
Aberration/Extinction's Santiago looked and acted kind of different.
But they've roughly all been the same
Wonder if they'll add a canon reasoning of why he's bald now
dim palm
Wonder if they'll add a canon reasoning of why he's bald now
Because of family
arctic bison
the stress of being a parent got to him and he's lost his hair over time 
dim palm
Aberration/Extinction's Santiago looked and acted kind of different.
But they've...
If the ark 2 Santiago has memories, which Santiago is it from? Scorched, aberration, or tek war Santiago?
bold dove
If the ark 2 Santiago has memories, which Santiago is it from? Scorched, aberrat...
Scorched doesn't have a Santiago
dim palm
I meant extinction
bold dove
And the Aberration/Extinction Santiago died before he could be cloned again.
So it's most likely that he's a clone of the Genesis-2 note Santiago, which is a clone of the original Tek-war Santiago.
dim palm
Fuck I need to watch a lore video
arctic bison
before the dark times
dim palm
Did gen 2 Santiago have tek war’s memories?
bold dove
Did gen 2 Santiago have tek war’s memories?
Yes, cause he thought he was the original.
But those where the memories of the actual original Santiago.
dim palm
Yes, cause he thought he was the original.
But those where the memories of the a...
What happened to the original Santiago?
bold dove
What happened to the original Santiago?
Died
dim palm
How tho
bold dove
I forgor
arctic bison
he died, the end
dim palm
So basically ark 2 Santiago has the memories and will of tek war Santiago?
bold dove
So basically ark 2 Santiago has the memories and will of tek war Santiago?
From what we know, yes.
He also remembers being blown up.
dim palm
By what
bold dove
By what
A friend that committed suicide cause he didn't want to be cloned, and was having a existential crisis if he was a clone or not.
dim palm
A friend that committed suicide cause he didn't want to be cloned, and was havin...
Which Santiago was this? Tek war or gen 2?
bold dove
Which Santiago was this? Tek war or gen 2?
Gen-2.
dim palm
Wtf why were people being cloned on the colony ship
bold dove
Wtf why were people being cloned on the colony ship
Same system.
To preserve all life.
dim palm
Why would he be cloned if he was already alive though?
bold dove
Why would he be cloned if he was already alive though?
He wasn't.
The original Santiago was dead by the time the Genesis-Ship was being made
dim palm
Why did his friend kill himself then? And how does Santiago remember being blown up if he was already dead?
bold dove
Why did his friend kill himself then? And how does Santiago remember being blown...
As I said, man didn't want to be cloned, nor have his family cloned
brazen sparrow
Why did his friend kill himself then? And how does Santiago remember being blown...
Because Uma put Santiago into a sim (he's dead at this point, but his consciousness is in the sim) watching a recording of his death, because she wanted to hear what Yongki whispered to Santiago before blowing them both up
bold dove
And basically forced Santiago to watch his own death over, and over, and over again.
A bit fucked.
dim palm
I’m soooo lost ima need y’all to go into voice chat later today and explain this shit to me
brazen sparrow
Honestly, just re-read the Gen 2 notes, it's much harder to explain than to just read it yourself
arctic bison
I’m soooo lost ima need y’all to go into voice chat later today and explain this...
or watch NeddyTheNoodles videos, he's got videos about all gen 2 explorer note survivors including Santiago 2.0
dim palm
I never read gen 2 notes 🥺👉👈
bold dove
I’m soooo lost ima need y’all to go into voice chat later today and explain this...
I find time-traveling less complicated to explain then this shit.
dim palm
On god
brazen sparrow
I never read gen 2 notes 🥺👉👈
Sounds like a you issue bro, go do it
They're damn good
dim palm
Sounds like a you issue bro, go do it
I’ve been needing to. I know the basics of the lore. Well, I know it well, but I don’t know the itty gritty facts about the individual survivors. I just know what happens in the story
bold dove
I’ve been needing to. I know the basics of the lore. Well, I know it well, but I...
Have you watched the Survival-Stories?
dim palm
I’ve been wanting to
arctic bison
I’ve been needing to. I know the basics of the lore. Well, I know it well, but I...
watching Neddy's gen 2 santiago videos will save you time
dim palm
Have you watched the Survival-Stories?
They just started on aberration survival stories right?
bold dove
They just started on aberration survival stories right?
Yep
bold dove
Is that based on lore or is it fan stories?
The notes.
They're a cinematic recreation of the notes.
dim palm
Ah, alright. Is it all lore with no extra stuff?
dim palm
They're a cinematic recreation of the notes.
What do you mean?
bold dove
It means what I said
dim palm
Cinematic?
bold dove
Yes
dim palm
Like, in-game?
bold dove
Basically using in-game stuff to record a cinematic video.
Like Red-vs-Blue
brazen sparrow
They're good for if you're too lazy or just want to see cool Ark fan content, I highly recommend just reading them on the wiki first imo and Neddy isn't going to do Extinction or the Genesis maps either so you'll still need to read those regardless
dim palm
They're good for if you're too lazy or just want to see cool Ark fan content, I ...
Why not? Extinction and genesis are really important
bold dove
Why not? Extinction and genesis are really important
Cause it costs money, and resources to do shit.
brazen sparrow
It's already cost a lot of time and money to do the ones they have done (stupid spacebar, ugh)
bold dove
In-universe Extinction is nearly the size of a fucking state.
Takes them days to walk to areas that only take us minutes.
plain plover
Mei spends like 10 days walking around the snow dome
bold dove
Yeeep
lyric tendon
Shrunk everyone mod when?
But jokes aside
It gets more complicated when you want Ext more accurate (compared to what we already doing in Ab)
I mean the Meks in the notes and the Mini-Titans they fought are more diverse than in the gameplay
Plus KT must be bigger than in game
dim palm
I would love to play on an earlier version of extinction. Like, before the forest proto-ark sunk
Also, question: why was/is the forest proto-ark’s obelisk blue and not green?
bold dove
Also, question: why was/is the forest proto-ark’s obelisk blue and not green?
We don't know
dim palm
We don't know
Like it makes no sense. If it was a color other than green it should be purple
bold dove
Like it makes no sense. If it was a color other than green it should be purple
Who said it should be purple?
bold dove
Just because that’s the color of shut down/malfunctioned obelisks
That's not at all what that means.
We don't know why they turn purple.
The purple Obelisk on Aberration could've been corrupted.
dim palm
I would prefer green though since it matches the forest proto ark
dim palm
That's not at all what that means.
We don't know why they turn purple.
The purpl...
I thought they shut down the obelisks to keep the ark from self destructing?
bold dove
I thought they shut down the obelisks to keep the ark from self destructing?
They did.
But I don't recall them stating it changed colors.
brazen sparrow
The obelisks on Aberration are purple for an unknown reason
bold dove
It's logical, sure.
But it doesn't make it canon.
dim palm
But WHY BLUE?! We already have a blue obelisk in a proto-ark! Like, I understand sanctuary being green but why is the forest dome blue?!!!!
bold dove
But WHY BLUE?! We already have a blue obelisk in a proto-ark! Like, I understand...
You wanna know why?
dim palm
It's logical, sure.
But it doesn't make it canon.
I know
brazen sparrow
But WHY BLUE?! We already have a blue obelisk in a proto-ark! Like, I understand...
Don't know, don't care tbh
dim palm
Don't know, don't care tbh
It bugs me so badly
brazen sparrow
Sounds like a you issue
dim palm
I do t have any issue with extinction other than that
dim palm
Sounds like a you issue
It is a me issue
bold dove
Cause they where making Extinction during the end of Aberrations production, and when Ab came out and they saw how well it did, they wanted to replicate the feel of Aberration on Extinction with a quickly made sunken forest.
brazen sparrow
Cause they where making Extinction during the end of Aberrations production, and...
According to whom? Never heard this before
dim palm
If they remake ark 1 and remake extinction they better A: make the map MUUUCH bigger, like y’all were talking about earlier, and B: change the blue obelisk to green
bold dove
According to whom? Never heard this before
Gonna be real with you.
"I made it the fuck up" cause it's the only valid reasoning I can think of.
Hell, there's no (public) concept-art that exists for the sunken forest.
brazen sparrow
If they remake ark 1 and remake extinction they better A: make the map MUUUCH bi...
Not something I would ever wait on, them remaking Ark 1
bold dove
They've also always reused old ideas for later DLC's.
One idea for Aberration was a sunken Obelisk that never made the cut.
dim palm
Gonna be real with you.
"I made it the fuck up" cause it's the only valid reason...
I would’ve much preferred a forest proto-ark than a Walmart-brand aberration zone
bold dove
I would’ve much preferred a forest proto-ark than a Walmart-brand aberration zon...
Which we almost got
If you remember in the Aberration ending, we wake up in a Forest proto-ARK
dim palm
Oh fuck I forgot about that
bold dove
We where so close.
Then Walmart striked.
dim palm
I forgor 💀
brazen sparrow
If you remember in the Aberration ending, we wake up in a Forest proto-ARK
No, we don't
dim palm
No, we don't
I’m pretty sure we do
brazen sparrow
We wake up in the Sanctuary proto Ark
bold dove
No, we don't
Tell me.
dim palm
There was a volcano too
brazen sparrow
It's very obvious
bold dove
We wake up in the Sanctuary proto Ark
Sanctuary was off in the distance.
brazen sparrow
Go ahead
bold dove
Cause there was a ring around the area that the Proto-ARK's have
dim palm
Technically speaking sanctuary could be considered a proto ark
dim palm
The only thing it doesn’t have is the ring and the fake background
It has the barrier and an obelisk
bold dove
Go ahead
So while I'm loading in, I have the video up.
Sanctuary is off in the backdrop, while the fake-wall falls down and you can see the metal-rings around it that the Proto-ARK have.
brazen sparrow
It has the barrier and an obelisk
That's completely separate from Sanctuary dude, it's it's own proto ark
bold dove
Just trying to find the right level, since there's like fucking 50
brazen sparrow
So while I'm loading in, I have the video up.
Sanctuary is off in the backdrop, ...
Hang on, let me get the screen
dim palm
That's completely separate from Sanctuary dude, it's it's own proto ark
That’s what I’m saying
bold dove
Hang on, let me get the screen
Go in MSPaint and right down with chicken scratch drawings and arrows what is what
brazen sparrow
That’s what I’m saying
No, you said Sanctuary is a proto ark
dim palm
Go in MSPaint and right down with chicken scratch drawings and arrows what is wh...
When you finish send me the photo
bold dove
Sanctuary is a City
dim palm
No, you said Sanctuary *is* a proto ark
I said it could be considered one since it has the things it needs to be one
bold dove
Helena literally calls it the "Dead-City"
dim palm
Sanctuary is a City
I know that I’m talking about the barrier surrounding sanctuary
brazen sparrow
I said it could be considered one since it has the things it needs to be one
It doesn't though 🤦♂️
bold dove
I know that I’m talking about the barrier surrounding sanctuary
A barrier doesn't make an ARK
dim palm
It has an obelisk uwu
bold dove
Obelisks don't mean shit
dim palm
Teehee
bold dove
Fuck it, I'm loading every level
dim palm
Every level of what
bold dove
Aberration
dim palm
Aberration
Wdym
bold dove
It means 'silence'
dim palm
Alright 💀
bold dove
It doesn't though 🤦♂️
I hate sorting through Wildcards shit.
They don't name their persistent levels.
dim palm
Imagine if Rockwell made his own guardians and we could access them from the obelisks 🤤
bold dove
Imagine if Rockwell made his own guardians and we could access them from the obe...
If only
I'd be willing to make boss arenas once I'm done with the Survival-Stories.
But the issue stems from "They'll be empty since I have no models nor AI for them"
dim palm
I'd be willing to make boss arenas once I'm done with the Survival-Stories.
But ...
You should mod genesis to add the original master AI back and uncorrupt the CMC
dim palm
Or mod extinction and bring the forest protoark back. And make sanctuary clean
Yeah a lot of work but it would probably be a really popular mod
bold dove
Or mod extinction and bring the forest protoark back. And make sanctuary clean
Modding isn't that simple.
Especially on already existing maps
dim palm
Then make it simple 😠
bold dove
Pay me 300$ USD and I might
dim palm
Pay me 300$ USD and I might
You aren’t a remake of ark 1 so my $300 stays
bold dove
An ARK remake wouldn't be 300$
dim palm
I’d pay that much 🤤
bold dove
The reason why I said I'd like to do Aberration, or Scorched was cause those are simple.
You can just make a mini-arena off of the map, and replicate the already existing teleporting system to your new arena.
The hard part would be making the boss.
forest delta
According to google it took 62 million dollars to make ark 1
Which is unfortunate cuz is talking about a theme park and not the game
bold dove
According to google it took 62 million dollars to make ark 1
No shit.
But we're talking about 'buying'
forest delta
<.<
bold dove
According to google it took 62 million dollars to make ark 1
Also, it was 2Mil
forest delta
Read my second message
dim palm
With someone like vin diesel they could easily remake ark 1
bold dove
Yeah, I know.
Just stating how much the actual ARK-1 took to make
bold dove
With someone like vin diesel they could easily remake ark 1
Not how that works.
forest delta
Yes it is
dim palm
I’m talking about money wise
forest delta
Bin diesel comes into the studio and starts yelling at everyone
dim palm
He has the wealth
forest delta
Its called "morale"
bold dove
Its called "morale"
That'd lower my morale
dim palm
I would love to be yelled at by bin deisel 😍
forest delta
Then they have a meeting every 5 minutes
bold dove
I'd love to pay for a restraining order
dim palm
I would want bin deisel to have kids with me 🤤
forest delta
I would want bin deisel to have kids with me 🤤
Im telling him
dim palm
A little birdie told me he loves family
bold dove
Still nicknaming the Santiago in ARK-2 'Vintiago'
Cause that ain't my Santiago
forest delta
It isnt your santiago, thats the whole point of his arc in gen2
bold dove
It isnt your santiago, thats the whole point of his arc in gen2
Yep.
And I still don't understand why they couldn't just make him into a new character.
forest delta
And I still don't understand why they couldn't just make him into a new characte...
Oh I wholly agree
His ending in extinction was perfect for him
bold dove
Right
forest delta
Died a hero, revived a well...
I dont really know, I guess we will find out in ark2
bold dove
The Titans took his fucking hair and cool personality
bold dove
True
glad crow
You could headcannon that there's a minor malfunction, like what that gen 2 gold digger had.
brazen sparrow
Except for the fact that there's nothing wrong...
Everyone just hates Vin Diesel for some reason and thinks that his personality is being baked into the character or some stupid shit
Completely unfounded and just plain dumb
bold dove
Again, I personally don't mind Vin.
My issue stems from how he doesn't look like Santiago at all.
That, and I personally find it unnecessary that they brought back a character that their story was completed back on Extinction.
And before you ask.
brazen sparrow
Again, a completely unfounded issue because you have no idea what he even looks like, nor any of the characters besides Helena, and even then just her face
bold dove
I did find a picture of a note version of Santiago that actually has a face.
brazen sparrow
We've been over this
brazen sparrow
If it was any sort of accurate, then Helena would have like four different faces
Because the note drawings are artistic representations, not pictures
bold dove
Yep.
But this one is from Santiago himself on Extinction.
You'd think he'd make himself accurate.
brazen sparrow
You'd think wrong
Can you make a perfect copy of your face, via any medium? I highly doubt that
bold dove
Can you make a perfect copy of your face, via any medium? I *highly* doubt that
If I was an artist, it wouldn't be onpar sure. But it'd be similar.
I also sent the pictures in fanart/screenshots
brazen sparrow
You shoulda tagged me
brazen sparrow
I haven't been able to load up the game to prove where the ending cutscene is viewed from
bold dove
I haven't been able to load up the game to prove where the ending cutscene is vi...
Same, large maps on the dev-kit take ages to load.
So we'll just say we're both right in our own ways.
brazen sparrow
No, I know for a fact I'm right, I ain't agreeing to disagree when I'm right
brazen sparrow
I'm just babysitting rn and can't load up the game
bold dove
Bruisingwell
Actually, let me correct myself.
My biggest issue isn't that Vin is Santiago. But that they haven't yet explain a in-universe reasoning to why they look different.
If they would've explained something that the newer version is Santiago in his like 50s, and the original one being in his late 20s, then I'd be cool with that.
brazen sparrow
I imagine there'll be an explanation as to why he has a different (albeit extreeeeeeemely minor, like literally just his hair and that's it) appearance
bold dove
Did you check out the screenshots?
brazen sparrow
I did
Still close enough to say that's just the artistic difference
The Helena drawn one is basically him
bold dove
To me, they don't look anything alike.
brazen sparrow
The drawings? Yeah, they're pretty different, I'll agree there
bold dove
The drawings? Yeah, they're pretty different, I'll agree there
Between all of them.
Helena's version, Santiago's, and ARK-2's Santiago all look different to me.
brazen sparrow
Skill issue
near forum
the real ark lore are the friends we made along the way
elfin socket
It's probably just his family
Twin brother or something same name idk lol that's how a lot of things get explained this game
dim palm
why does the survivor killing the titans cause the sun to rise? how the fuck does killing something un-tidally lock the earth???
fallow sapphire
Killing the titans reduces the element’s hold on earth enough for the reseed protocol to begin and wipe out the rest
dim palm
how does that have anything to do with the earth being tidally locked to the sun
frail dragon
what's the lore behind dragon having teeth on the top of it's neck
did they use sarco (which has teeth on it's nose) genome to make the dragon?
pseudo nimbus
how does that have anything to do with the earth being tidally locked to the sun
Corruption stopped the earth from rotating
Also, broken moon
dim palm
Corruption stopped the earth from rotating
okay. also why did she say the sun is rising if its been like noon for hundreds of years? wouldnt it be setting?
frail dragon
okay. also why did she say the sun is rising if its been like noon for hundreds ...
the sun is setting
she said rising but it was setting
mental basin
okay. also why did she say the sun is rising if its been like noon for hundreds ...
The sun sets in the ending of Extinction, but being a Homo Deus fried her brain into funky homo sauce
Idk
dim palm
@bold dove both trolls responded to what I said
bold dove
<@320344899415310337> both trolls responded to what I said
What happened?
dim palm
All I want in life is gen 1 tek in Terran Federation style
Read what I said
Terran Federation tek shoulder cannon 🤤
mental basin
I'm not even trolling why do you people have such hate to me 💀
I just said something in a goofy way, cry about it.
fallow sapphire
Ant-Slayer is correct though
which is an amazing statement to hear
bold dove
I just said something in a goofy way, cry about it.
You're right.
Do cry about being a troll. 
bold dove
I don't have time for you.
Then make time
golden silo
I think that a zombie apocalypse kills everyone on the arks and vin diesel comes and saves all of the people from the apocalypse
Ideas??
This is what I have concluded by reading all the journals
arctic bison
bold dove
I think that a zombie apocalypse kills everyone on the arks and vin diesel comes...
You're not half wrong
You're wrong about Vin saving people from the zombie apocalypse.
It was actually him that helped it started.
But yeah.
Corruption is basically an alien zombie hivemind.
golden silo
I new it
brazen sparrow
I old it
bold dove
I younged it
dim palm
😍
bold dove
OwO
brazen sparrow
I'll see myself to bed
small rune
Idk what happened here, and I don’t really want to know either
Let’s keep on topic
quaint marsh
fallow sapphire
dude, not the channel for this
frail dragon
was the dragon made using sarco and basilisk genome?
it has teeth on it's neck like the sarco
and has no eyes like the basilisk
bold dove
Idk what happened here, and I don’t really want to know either
Let’s keep on to...
This 'is' on topic
rigid grove
This 'is' on topic
It's really not, nor was any of that appropriate for anything.
eager raft
or not
honest tendon
Anyone know how tf the arma can switch between hot and cold in an instant? just curious if theres an explanation lol
lyric tendon
Anyone know how tf the arma can switch between hot and cold in an instant? just ...
Wrong chat
Go to #bobs-with-probs
honest tendon
No i know how to do i mean like how can the dino itself do it. its not a question about the game mechanic its abt how it would work irl
Like u cant just shake ur body and ur fire spikes become ice spikes. so how does that work?
bold dove
Anyone know how tf the arma can switch between hot and cold in an instant? just ...
The armagaususarus?
honest tendon
The armagaususarus?
yes
Like. does it just change it body temperature drastically to make them freez or hot?
bold dove
That's most likely a non-canonical function. Since they're only tamable on a non-canon map
bold dove
Well, every creature in ARK are genetically created. Soooo, whatever works I guess
honest tendon
I mean its all a simulation anyways
bold dove
I mean its all a simulation anyways
What?
No it isn't
Genesis-1 is the only simulation
honest tendon
oh wow my friend is wrong hten
bold dove
Your friend is an idiot
honest tendon
but if everything before isnt a sim how come we respawn when we die?
bold dove
The ARK's are physical space-stations.
Extinction is on Earth.
And Genesis-2 is on the ship that has a simulation
bold dove
but if everything before isnt a sim how come we respawn when we die?
Cloning
honest tendon
Oh wow
lime ether
My crack pot lore take. The four story maps consist of everywhere the survivor visits, but the free maps fully exist and everything in them also exists in cannon. They just aren't visited
glad crow
My crack pot lore take. The four story maps consist of everywhere the survivor v...
From what I've seen, it has been discussed at length and at best they're part of the simulation that Nida made. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that looked like the conclusion.
dim palm
My crack pot lore take. The four story maps consist of everywhere the survivor v...
ive thought about this before
lyric tendon
or is it just me who loves lizards
just you
lyric tendon
From what I've seen, it has been discussed at length and at best they're part of...
not really, the whole "fantasy maps are not canon" is still legit
the ARKs are meant to be pieces of Earth uprooted and send up in space
name one location that has a floating islands, underground sun, or "realms"
glad crow
That's what I mean. The most cannon they get is in the simulation. Crystal wyverns being in some mission.
lyric tendon
plus the sim is universally the same, it doent have the ARK architecture
only the wyverns but not the map itself
glad crow
My point being that it could be in the simulation, but isn't necessarily so.
lyric tendon
the issue with pushing the mod maps being "canon" is because the IRL modders have different intention on why they made those map than ARK's story
mental basin
This.
lyric tendon
LI and Fjordur is the best example
glad crow
I'm not saying they are Arks. I'm just saying that previously people discussed this here and came to the conclusion that they might be in the simulation because of the wyverns.
They're not proper canon.
lyric tendon
LI is a fan map of the Elder Scrolls map how can you justify that being "lore canon"?
glad crow
I'm not.
lyric tendon
you can disconnect the creature from the map
the crystal wyverns sure but not CI itself
glad crow
That's the thing. And I agree.
I know I'm articulating this poorly.
Right, like the maps might exist in the genesis sim, definitely not outside it. All we know for certain is crystal wyverns.
lyric tendon
that is not how it works
the fantasy maps are just carbon copies of the ARK maps which is not made by the Feds
sure they injected a magmasaur in SE but that is all they can do since they scrap that idea and made their own biomes in a well controlled system like the Gen Sim
glad crow
Right, but I believe a note said Nida played around herself, and some people have said that that's where the mod maps came from.
lyric tendon
plus their goal for the Gen Sim is different from the ARK
in the ARK it's the Overseer that controls the outcome hence they have guardians
but in the Gen Sim, it's the people who controlled it through the master AI which is more guardian than overseer
glad crow
My original point was the closest thing that I've seen discussed here is that they exist in the simulation.
Not that they're the same.
It's not even my point, but I was just saying that that point has been stated.
lyric tendon
how can a ARK like blueprint even exist in the sim?
STA mission doesn't look/feel like anything that remotely looked like an ARK
it's more of a mix of all the Gen 1 gauntlet mission
glad crow
Honestly, I don't know. I'm just pointing out something that's been said. You seem to have effectively disproved it, perhaps someone else could defend it, but I can't anymore.
swift moss
J
lyric tendon
Honestly, I don't know. I'm just pointing out something that's been said. You se...
how else i single-handedly turned the ARK Animated Chat into the Cult of Bob aka #ark-animated-series
glad crow
Praise the Bob prophet?
bold dove
She's a false Prophet
lyric tendon
More like "I find your claim false" prophet
eager raft
it is 2 in the morning and i should be asleep but i just got the most bucko insane idea ever and i need to put it out there
could CI be a simulation ark? Like as in it takes place on an ark station of course, but where the whole ark is used for sim stuff and survivor storage
and then when they ascend their bodies are awakened and they get shot right out of the ark
dim palm
and then when they ascend their bodies are awakened and they get shot right out ...
what does this even mean
also side question:
whats yalls favorite guardian?
lyric tendon
could CI be a simulation ark? Like as in it takes place on an ark station of cou...
Stop giving headcanons to maps that isn't made by WC
The modder (ISO) has a personal reason why CI looked like that
Same with other free maps that are originally just map mods
There is a reason why notes in Rag are scrapped
It didn't fit with the modder's vision and WC's intended lore given The Center which is the first mod map being official, don't have anything that is different from the original mod in the first place
*tbh I wish the carcar is The Center exclusive because at least there is an incentive to transfer there
Then again SE is the least transferable map after the novelty of the Ascension Cutscene is faded*
dim palm
whats yalls favorite guardian?
@brazen sparrow @bold dove whats yalls answer
im really curious
pseudo nimbus
Don't ping them for bullshit
dim palm
bruh
bold dove
Don't ping them for bullshit
Don't answer a response that isn't to you.
'I' don't mind being pinged.
I actually prefer it cause I'm not on discord 90% of the time, and I don't just sit here until someone responds, I do shit.
bold dove
<@215168767460769793> <@320344899415310337> whats yalls answer
Anyway, if we're talking exclusively guardians, then probably the Broodmother.
forest delta
Does rockwell count?
bold dove
Does rockwell count?
No, he's an overseer
forest delta
Became an overseer after falling into the gaurdian chamber
frail dragon
my personal favorite guardian is the monkey with a gun aka dinopithecus king
bold dove
Became an overseer after falling into the gaurdian chamber
We don't know if it's a guardian chamber.
forest delta
Oh I thought that was canonised
bold dove
Not that I recall.
forest delta
My bad
bold dove
Actually, it's more likely that it's either A: a closed off section of the ARK that he changed.
Or B: a modified version of the last room in the tek-cave, before you teleport into the hall of history.
His arena shares the same holographic globe that the teleportation room did.
dim palm
His arena shares the same holographic globe that the teleportation room did.
i tried finding that, but i couldnt.. could you dm me screenshots if youre able to?
also yeah, the broodmother is my favorite. the megapithecus is my second favorite
bold dove
i tried finding that, but i couldnt.. could you dm me screenshots if youre able ...
It's literally in his arena
It's right above him
bold dove
Yeah.
It's the same globe that's above the teleportation terminal in the tek-cave
dim palm
bro all i want in life is more terran federation tek and a scorched earth overseer fight 😩
bold dove
I can agree on the Scorched overseer fight.
bold dove
That's a pass.
But a missed opportunity was a flier-version of the tek-cave and Overseer fight.
dim palm
you cannot tell me the exo mek and tek stryders look cool as shit
bold dove
It kind of doesn't, not gonna lie.
Again, I more like the organic-metal growth that The-Island had.
dim palm
i feel like a flier tek cave would fuck things up
like imagine an overseer fight with wyverns 🤢
bold dove
True, true.
But imagine the fight with a flier with an actual 360% turn radius.
dim palm
be honest. what would an agry do in an overseer fight?
bold dove
Argy?
The fuck does a argy have to do with it?
They don't have a full 360% turn radius.
bold dove
Griffins, Tapejaras, anything you don't need to make painful turn radius to move.
dim palm
how will they help in the fight though
dim palm
Griffins, Tapejaras, anything you don't need to make painful turn radius to move...
they dont have ranged attacks (except for the tapejara tek saddle)
bold dove
they dont have ranged attacks (except for the tapejara tek saddle)
Don't need ranged attacks if the controls are smooth
bold dove
they would get hit and die
Get better saddles scrub
dim palm
😡
dim palm
@bold dove if you had to live the rest of your life on one of the story maps, which would you want it to be?
bold dove
<@320344899415310337> if you had to live the rest of your life on one of the sto...
Depends.
Pre or Post respawn protocol?
dim palm
what is that 😭
bold dove
Helena allowing survivors to respawn
dim palm
post
bold dove
So then I'm able to respawn?
bold dove
Pre: The-Island.
The safest ARK, and the most chill besides the primal creatures.
Post: Extinction.
Try to become numb to death, and learn all I can about corruption and how it works, and see if there's a way to reverse-engineer corrupted creatures.
dim palm
pre i would choose gen 1, post i would choose aberration or gen 2
gen 1 i would just love to live in because i dont have to worry about death
aberration is a beautiful ark, so i would love to respawn ther
bold dove
I was thinking Gen-1, but then there's the issue of Rockwell
dim palm
eh i mean yeah, but like, pre-rockwell gen 1 would be perfect
bold dove
Aberration would be hell to live on
dim palm
i mean yeah but i would love it
glad crow
i mean yeah but i would love it
In this scenario would you be a survivor or yourself? I feel like that might have an impact.
glad crow
Most people would do worse then the average bob, even if they know a lot about ark.
Not all, but do you see what I mean? You could overcome it eventually I suppose.
bold dove
In this scenario would you be a survivor or yourself? I feel like that might hav...
Those are the same thing
If you're being on an ARK, you're 100% a clone.
glad crow
But are you the almost superhuman character in game, or a real person like lore? Most people had some sort of skill to survive in the arks, right?
Like we saw how the kids did in aberration.
bold dove
But are you the almost superhuman character in game, or a real person like lore?...
If we're coming in post-respawn protocol, then we'd be a superhuman.
glad crow
As in not just reviving but stronger, more durable etc?
glad crow
Also slight tangent but related, did the lore survivors have crafting in their implant? If not, do we get that after reseed too?
bold dove
Would be fucking horrifying the first few times, but some people would get numb to it while others wouldn't
bold dove
Also slight tangent but related, did the lore survivors have crafting in their i...
Crafting.....like a crafting menu?
glad crow
You know what I mean. Like is there purely what you could actually make with your bare hands?
bold dove
Yes, we'd make shit with our bare hands like every other living being
glad crow
Okay that was a stupid question I'll admit.
bold dove
The implant isn't a Gordon-Ramsey cook-book
The menus in the implant are purely for gameplay.
bold dove
Okay that was a stupid question I'll admit.
Don't feel too stupid.
You'd be shocked how often that question is asked.
For how many people unironically think menus in the implant are canon.
glad crow
Well, I'm sure there's be some craftsman who actually knows what to do to make stuff and just sell it.
Otherwise things might get messy.
Thanks.
bold dove
Well, I'm sure there's be some craftsman who actually knows what to do to make s...
Nope, don't need one
You're the craftsman.
ARK has a fictional thing called the 'engramic matrix'
Which if I recall right, basically makes that engrams (a real concept that again, if I recall right is the term for a the neurons in your brain dedicated to memory) are within everyone.
Future survivors (us) have the most amount of this matrix, which are engrams/memories taken from previous survivors and plopping that engram into our brain.
So technically, your brain has all of the engrams you can learn in the game, but you just have to remember them.
Basically "I forgor"
dim palm
"I rember 😄 "
dim palm
i love gen 1 dont get me wrong but i am so tired of how annoying it is
literally every single fucking ichthyornis i was taming died form going above the water
and the final straw was when the 145 i was almost done taming did that
im so done
dim palm
also can someone tell me why we can cryopod enforcers and meks but we cant cryopod tek stryders?
forest delta
Enforcers arebionic
bold dove
literally every single fucking ichthyornis i was taming died form going above th...
They do that on every map
bold dove
also can someone tell me why we can cryopod enforcers and meks but we cant cryop...
Cause Wildcard bad
dim palm
Cause Wildcard bad
bro i would use tek stryders sooo much more if i could cryo them
its too much effort to bring them from an obelisk all the way to my base
forest delta
bro i would use tek stryders sooo much more if i could cryo them
Hence why you cant cryo them
dim palm
then why can you cryo meks?
forest delta
Cuz wc bad
dim palm
@bold dove is the king titan and alpha king titan two separate creatures in the lore? Or is one or the other the canon one? I’m confused because the king titan and the alpha king titan look completely different
bold dove
<@320344899415310337> is the king titan and alpha king titan two separate creatu...
No, they're both the same
The alpha-king titan is never mentioned. But it's assumed that the alpha variant is the king-titan once he realizes you're wooping his ass to an extreme amount, and transforms into the alpha variant to try to gain an advantage.
dim palm
The alpha-king titan is never mentioned. But it's assumed that the alpha variant...
Alright. Also, is the king titan the center of the element hive mind?
bold dove
Alright. Also, is the king titan the center of the element hive mind?
The pillar of the hivemind.
Basically, he's a physical manifestation of corruption itself.
Killing him weakens the local corruption (which you can actually see in the backdrop of the arena. Once you kill him, the corruption veins start to burn that're in the backdrop)
dim palm
That answers another question I was going to ask
bold dove
And weakening the local corruption makes it that an ARK can finally come down, without the worries of the Titans. Wiping out the local population, and allowing more ARK's to come down to wipe their local locations
dim palm
And weakening the local corruption makes it that an ARK can finally come down, w...
I see. Is the king titan the hardest boss in the game? Or is it the cmc? Or the overseer?
bold dove
I see. Is the king titan the hardest boss in the game? Or is it the cmc? Or the ...
Overseer is a pushover.
King-Titan is only hard due to having the highest stats, but you can do all three difficulties with the Forest and Ice Titan.
CMC is probably the hardest if you don't have a group to coordinate.
dim palm
Overseer is a pushover.
King-Titan is only hard due to having the highest stats,...
you can bring other titans to the king titan fight?!?!
bold dove
you can bring other titans to the king titan fight?!?!
It's in the open-world, yes.
dim palm
WTFFF
bold dove
All of the arenas on Extinction are within the actual playable map.
They just don't roam sadly.
dim palm
I wish they did 😔
bold dove
A little corner of the Ice proto-ARK is to the Ice-Titan.
The whole fucking desert proto-ARK is to the Desert-Titan.
And the bridge area that's next to the sunken obelisk is for the Forest-Titan.
dim palm
A little corner of the Ice proto-ARK is to the Ice-Titan.
The whole fucking dese...
Also I tried to find the ring around the original forest proto ark but I couldn’t find it? There was
There was no ring in sight*
bold dove
Ring?
dim palm
Yeah like, the thing the bubble connects to
bold dove
Like an the outer rings the other ARK's have for the holographics walls?
dim palm
The ice and desert proto arks
dim palm
Like an the outer rings the other ARK's have for the holographics walls?
Yes
The forest proto ark DID exist right?
bold dove
That's cause the sunken forest is a cursed piece of an area.
bold dove
The forest proto ark DID exist right?
🤷
dim palm
That's cause the sunken forest is a cursed piece of an area.
What do you mean?
bold dove
There's some moments in the lore that're bullshit
The big ass fucking spine in Aberration that goes from the Portal to Rockwell's arena is never explained.
-Did the tek-survivors make it?
-If not, what was it used for?
-How is it in Rockwell's arena?
-Why is it important to the Portal, when it seems like in the notes they used the portal without the spine?
Another thing is 'why is the moon blown up?'
Marc (the original writer) had no intentions of having the moon destroyed.
It was some dev's that added it into the ascension on The-Island that thought it was cool, and it stayed blown up ever since.
dim palm
The big ass fucking spine in Aberration that goes from the Portal to Rockwell's ...
Oh I thought the spine was built by the survivors to go to the portal.
WAIT
bold dove
Oh I thought the spine was built by the survivors to go to the portal.
Nope.
They never once mentioned the spine in the notes
dim palm
Why do you ascend after you kill rockwell??
bold dove
Why do you ascend after you kill rockwell??
He's an overseer
dim palm
He's an overseer
Why did the ascension use the portal to travel to earth instead of going to the next ark?
bold dove
Why did the ascension use the portal to travel to earth instead of going to the ...
Cause the survivors made the Portal
dim palm
Cause the survivors made the Portal
But they didn’t beat the overseer right? They didn’t set up the portal to connect to ascension did they??
bold dove
The portal was created by the survivors to teleport them directly to a signal on Earth. (before they knew it was Earth)
dim palm
I get that, but how did it link to ascension?
bold dove
But they didn’t beat the overseer right? They didn’t set up the portal to connec...
They didn't need to
dim palm
Or, why?
bold dove
You forget the survivors on Aberration had roughly the same technology the ARK's have.
dim palm
They did?
bold dove
They where from the 24th century.
Diana, Santiago, and all of the other unnamed survivors part of their group where members of the URE and Terran Federation
dim palm
Santiago was on aberration? I thought he died in scorched earth?
bold dove
Santiago was on aberration? I thought he died in scorched earth?
He was never on Scorched
dim palm
WTF?
bold dove
His first mention was Aberration
dim palm
Oh wow I’m so fucked up
dim palm
Santiago died on aberration right?
bold dove
No
He makes it to Earth after making the Gateway project (the portals)
Though, everyone is quickly wiped out by the local infestation, and he stays behind in a Mek and distracts a shitload of Titans (since there where at one point hundreds of them) while the other characters like Mei and Helena ran off towards safety.
So motherfucker probably took out a good percentage of the titan population with him before he finally died.
bold dove
Yes
dim palm
Why?
bold dove
Like I said above
dim palm
So Santiago took out HUNDREDS of titans with a single mek? How did he do that if it takes us waaaay more just to kill one
bold dove
Santiago, and Mei also due to her rage after thinking she lost Helena probably killed a good percentage of Titans.
The last 4 we see is the King-Titan, and his 3 main generals.
forest delta
So Santiago took out HUNDREDS of titans with a single mek? How did he do that if...
Family
bold dove
All of the other titans where actually smaller.
From what it looked like in the notes, they looked around the size of a Giga
dim palm
Why did the 4 titans all huddle up in proto arks (aside from the king)? And why were they all elemental?
bold dove
Why did the 4 titans all huddle up in proto arks (aside from the king)? And why ...
🤷
I assume cause element is a highly adaptive substance.
dim palm
I assume cause element is a highly adaptive substance.
Elemental as in desert, ice, and forest
bold dove
Yep
dim palm
Ohhh I see
bold dove
They likely adapted to their environment.
dim palm
What caused the titans to appear?
bold dove
Canonically? Your existence
bold dove
They're always active in the notes, and always hunt down the note survivors the moment they made it onto Earth
bold dove
Like, why did the titans suddenly appear and start killing humanity?
Oooh, you mean that
Titans are created after a local area is infested with corruption so much, that the air is polluted.
Corruption then starts to create Titans as an actual army, instead of needing to rely on infected creatures.
dim palm
I thought the titans were originally normal creatures that were infected with element?
bold dove
I thought the titans were originally normal creatures that were infected with el...
Nope, big misconception.
dim palm
Oh wow
bold dove
Titans are beings of pure element
dim palm
That explains the forest titan
bold dove
They're the only creatures we see that are 100% element, and not element hybridized, like corrupted creatures or Extinction creatures.
dim palm
They can’t be pure element though can they? Like, how would element turn into wood?
bold dove
They can’t be pure element though can they? Like, how would element turn into wo...
Element is fucking crazy, don't question it.
dim palm
Element is fucking crazy, don't question it.
Alright 😭
I’m just imagining the forest titan being a shell and the inside is filled with liquid element
bold dove
Element has some real things about it, like an alien virus that is able to melt skin.
But it being able to literally bend reality to its will is Fantasy.
bold dove
I’m just imagining the forest titan being a shell and the inside is filled with ...
You're not wrong
Remember, they have element nodes.
dim palm
Remind me
bold dove
I just did
bold dove
No like what they are
The things you shoot to tame them
dim palm
When you tame them does it still count as beating them?
bold dove
When you tame them does it still count as beating them?
In what way?
Like, do you get their head?
dim palm
Like, in your implant
bold dove
Like, in your implant
No.
bold dove
So do you get tekgrams from beating the titans?
Yes
The desert titan is the only way to get the tek-sword in the story-maps
Sadly tek-lights are still only exclusive to Rag
dim palm
The desert titan is the only way to get the tek-sword in the story-maps
I feel like each one should have a unique tekgrams that only they give
bold dove
Agreed.
forest delta
The desert titan is the only way to get the tek-sword in the story-maps
Youre thinking of forest titan, desert gives railgun
bold dove
But at the same time, all of the new tek-stuff are engrams on Extinction
bold dove
Youre thinking of forest titan, desert gives railgun
Ooooh, right.
It was one of them
Railgun fucking sucks though
dim palm
If you tame a titans do you still get the tekgrams?
forest delta
Railgun fucking sucks though
Unless youre a pvp player
bold dove
Unless youre a pvp player
It still sucks.
Unless you have a high tier one, it doesn't do enough damage anymore of what people are able to make with armor now a days, if I recall
bold dove
If you tame a titans do you still get the tekgrams?
No.
There's no point in taming Titans until you're ready to do the King-Titan
forest delta
It still sucks.
Unless you have a high tier one, it doesn't do enough damage any...
No idea but pvp players go crazy over them
bold dove
Okay. That means you don’t technically beat them in my books
You beat them in a different way
dim palm
I have a question
bold dove
No
dim palm
I’m renting 2 servers on ark and they’re extinction and gen 1. I’m wondering how I should do the desert titan if I don’t have access to lightning wyverns.
I was thinking I could use velonasaurs anr managarmrs but I don’t have managarmrs yet
bold dove
I’m renting 2 servers on ark and they’re extinction and gen 1. I’m wondering how...
Legit, or cheese?
dim palm
Legit
bold dove
A shit load of Argies with high melee with good saddles will do the trick
dim palm
Fr?
bold dove
Syntac did it once
dim palm
once?
dim palm
Eh manas we’re nerfed so hard I feel like my mid level velo does more dps
I’ve cheesed my server a lot, but I want to do boss fights legit
My end goal is beating the cmc and king titan on alpha
bold dove
Good fucking luck on the alpha cmc
bold dove
Yeah, just a tip.
If it's only you two, you'll defiantly going to need to cheese some of the alpha hunt missions
dim palm
By cheese I meant using admin commands 💀
I wish I bought a third server on gen 2 so I can get the tek phase pistol
Do you know how to set up servers because I’m thinking about buying a pc to run a cluster on
bold dove
By cheese I meant using admin commands 💀
Oh, that's just flatout cheating.
dim palm
Oh, that's just flatout cheating.
Yeah I know 💀
bold dove
When I mean cheese, I mean doing something that wasn't intended.
dim palm
I get it. I hate using commands and I try not to but fuck, gen 1 is so hard without them
bold dove
I get it. I hate using commands and I try not to but fuck, gen 1 is so hard with...
No, it isn't.
It's hard, sure.
But commands aren't an answer to everything
Phase-pistols dude.
dim palm
I know I’m gonna get rid of them. I regret using them
bold dove
You can get phase-pistols on Genesis-1
dim palm
Yeah.
All Genesis-engrams are unlockable on the opposite maps.
Wow that’s incredible
If you ever wanna hop on my servers let me know. I would love to have a veteran along the way
bold dove
Are you also planning on hopping back and forth between the servers, or only transferring once you beat them?
dim palm
Hopping back and forth, since I only have ext and gen 1
If I transfer when I beat them I’ll do it when I have all maps so I can do it all in order
I just unfortunately don’t have the money for that
bold dove
I just unfortunately don’t have the money for that
They're on sale right now
dim palm
Servers?
bold dove
Ah, then nevermind
dim palm
Yeah I meant servers
bold dove
Which service?
bold dove
Ew
bold dove
Nitrado is horrible