40k-book-club

[severe trail]

[safe plover]

🙄

[tall phoenix]

why wouldnt it be tbh

its the entire galaxy

bigotry is never going away lol

[safe plover]

its used in the context of alien(alien not alien alien)

[tall phoenix]

I mean no it isnt

[severe trail]

because people try to act like sunshine and rainbows

and then we get the

[tall phoenix]

xenophobia also refers to humans as well

[severe trail]

"THEY WOULD HAVE FUCKING HUNG YOUR DEGENERATE BROTHER ON MY HOMEWORLD"

based GW

[safe plover]

erm its the imperium of humans not aliens

[severe trail]

Warhammer crime is a gift

[tall phoenix]

shaddap

[severe trail]

giv more

[tall phoenix]

WAITER

MORE WARHAMMER CRIME

[dreamy ledge]

Oh this is book club I thoguht this was lore whoops

[severe trail]

I am paraphrasing slightly

[dreamy ledge]

warhammer crime please release an AOS book

[severe trail]

but it is essentially the same thing

just slightly less uh

shouty

[dreamy ledge]

Tbh I assumed there wasn’t much abhuman racism because of the necromunda books

But uh

Gotcha

I guess warhammer Australia is slightly less racist

[tall phoenix]

Nah they are absolutely tons of racism

remember mutation = bad

these people are literally nazis lol

[severe trail]

BABY INCINERATOR

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tall phoenix]

They make the abhumans also repeat a prayer mantra btw

"Im unclean but im forgiven."

[dreamy ledge]

LMAO

[severe trail]

I wish the munda books

as in novels

had the same quality as warhammer crime

tbh

[tall phoenix]

yeah its to gaslight abhumans to make them think they are inferiors of the human species

so they dont revolt etc

also sorry got that wrong, just checked the book

[dreamy ledge]

How do chaos generally view mutants then

[tall phoenix]

"I'm abhorred. I am unclean. And yet I am forgiven" - XXII Litanity of the Penitent Abhuman

[dreamy ledge]

I imagine much of the same

[tall phoenix]

cannon fodder or blessed

[severe trail]

it depends™️

[tall phoenix]

it depends really

LOL yeah

[dreamy ledge]

Do ratlings have to say this??

[severe trail]

there's def where imperial worlds

[dreamy ledge]

Or do the useful ones get a pass

[severe trail]

were abhumans aren't

horrendusly oppressed

[severe trail]

all abhumans say it

[tall phoenix]

^

[dreamy ledge]

Ogryn?

[severe trail]

yes

but simplified

[tall phoenix]

all abhumans

[severe trail]

including voidborn

[tall phoenix]

its basically gaslighting propaganda

[dreamy ledge]

Lmao

[tall phoenix]

so they think they are inferior and dont resist and bow down

its very fucked up

Wraithbone Phoenix explores abhuman racism a lot

they also call them "abhie(s)" lol

[dreamy ledge]

Void born aren’t even like mutants lmao

[tall phoenix]

like "mutie" etc

well they are

but like-

its literally just pale skin, dark eyes etc

[severe trail]

Well abhumans aren't mutants

abhumans are born from 2 abhuman parents

[tall phoenix]

theres a really good Crime story involving them where they are being trafficked as slave labor

[severe trail]

or I guess for voidborn and beastmen

they can come from a normal human

• abhuman

maybe for beastmen

I like to think Gor is helmwar's child

one of like

one trillion

[dreamy ledge]

Lmao

Yeah

I think the meme is he fucked a goat

But I’m pretty sure it’s just a random event like in AOS

[severe trail]

tbh

I could see Helmwar fucking a beastman

dude is down horrendus

[dreamy ledge]

Bro is down so bad

[severe trail]

ngl I can't belive they made him marginally less ugly

[tall phoenix]

fat fuck

[dreamy ledge]

OH THERES LORE FOR THIS ART

[severe trail]

oh

is it like

meant to make him look better

LOL

[dreamy ledge]

Yeah

[severe trail]

what was it that Jericos mother said about helmwar

[dreamy ledge]

Every artist before the one that made this was like, put to death

[severe trail]

it was the worst thing she's ever done for the imperium

[dreamy ledge]

They king louie tf out of helmwar

[cerulean peak]

who's this fine man

[tall phoenix]

Lord Gerontius Helmawr

the supreme governor of Munda-munda

[dreamy ledge]

Helmwar? The probably evilest character in 40K that we know of

[severe trail]

not really

he is def like

one of the most evil planetary govenors though

[cerulean peak]

is there good necromunda litterature

[severe trail]

he's also competent

[dreamy ledge]

Fair

[severe trail]

which is horrifying

[cerulean peak]

i know nothing of it

[dreamy ledge]

I’d say top 5

[severe trail]

rulebook lore

Rulebook lore

[cerulean peak]

looks dope tho

[severe trail]

rulebook lore

always for munda

[cerulean peak]

feelsbad

[severe trail]

the novels are very very supplemental

[tall phoenix]

^

the rulebooks legit tell stories btw

that like

have actual consequences

[severe trail]

Ngl

[tall phoenix]

and shit actually changes on the planet lol

[severe trail]

if you had told me

10 years ago

helmwar would no longer be the leader of munda

I would have called you

[dreamy ledge]

Crazy that helmwar’s ‘reasoning’ for being horrible

[severe trail]

insane

and stupid

[tall phoenix]

Same.

[severe trail]

but uh yeah

[dreamy ledge]

Is that horrible people are more deserving of power

[tall phoenix]

im so glad Necromunda writers are the way they are

[severe trail]

Helmwar is in a coma

lol

his now "first" daughter

is in control

[tall phoenix]

you should see some of the opening text-boxes for Munda

[severe trail]

"first" as in she murdered

[tall phoenix]

theres wild shit like uhhh

[severe trail]

everyone else infront of her

[tall phoenix]

congradulating more gang violence

lol

[severe trail]

[dreamy ledge]

I read if forever ago but I forgot

It’s like, the best quote ever

[severe trail]

it shows a strong economy

also ngl

I lowkey did not like the hive secundus stuff

for munda

the lore in it was

[dreamy ledge]

Literally me and another gang killed each other for 50 credits

[severe trail]

very meh

[tall phoenix]

its mostly a slowburner

or more like uhhh

[severe trail]

it feels like its all setup

[tall phoenix]

side-story

Yeah basically that

[severe trail]

for something

[tall phoenix]

Nah it is

[severe trail]

and its weird because

GW rulebook lore doesn't really do that

like ever

[tall phoenix]

the only important event in it, is Haera getting a proper spyrer suit

[severe trail]

honestly my only real reaction to the end of it was

"that was it?"

"Haera gets a fancy spyrer suit and the Van Saar teams die horribly"

and its not even like gone into lol

[dreamy ledge]

I am very excited for the rest of the house gangs to get their treasure hunter boxes

I forgot the archetype name

[severe trail]

inb4 they get forgotten

like all the bounty hunters

GW PLEASE THERE'S LIKE 20 MORE WHO NEED MINIS

[dreamy ledge]

WIAY THERES FERRYMAN GANGS?!?!

Well you hire them

But

THERE IS RULES

[severe trail]

Yes

[dreamy ledge]

Good luck getting gw to make creature form zone 22

[severe trail]

they deserve it smh

the same way Vandroth deserved his, and every other bounty hunter

[dreamy ledge]

did they ever fix the bug that gives outcast champions spells that never fail?

[severe trail]

Yes

iirc

[dreamy ledge]

Crazy

And they fixed vindicator gangs making them like

Fun

I already loved them tho

[severe trail]

Helot gangs still suck

but Helot gangs are for the derranged

I love having autoguns as an upgrade I have to pay for

[dreamy ledge]

LMAO

[severe trail]

Oh also

they're cheaper then juves

for actual gangers

Helot juves are

[dreamy ledge]

They have juves???

[severe trail]

they're certainly an option that you could bring that is not exactly detrimental

[severe trail]

they have a totally not juves

Anyways they suck

[dreamy ledge]

Lmao

[severe trail]

run normal Gangers

for the love of god

you will actively make it worse for you to play the game

[dreamy ledge]

Im so excited to read the pdf of the ashwaste nomads

They are so cool

And so easily could have just been an NPC faction like the hellstrain gang

[severe trail]

hellstrain?

[dreamy ledge]

The incest genestealers

[severe trail]

oh malstrain

[dreamy ledge]

Did I say hellstrain

Damn it

[unborn merlin]

Red Tithe was pretty damn fun.

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-ok-approved-gif-14800719

[hearty niche]

Got to love this minimalistic book cover

[brittle tapir]

listening to blood meridian. i wish i knew spanish

[shy lark]

Trust in the judge

[brittle tapir]

i'm literally diving into learning about gnosticism just to figure out a way to mentally cope with holden's rhetorics

[safe plover]

nah i maintain

the lost and damned a lot better than solar war

idc

[tall phoenix]

I mean

Solar War is not a good book

so thats not really a bad statement lol

[safe plover]

but my hatchet is already sharpened...

[unborn merlin]

The Lost and the Damned gets a bad rap.

I personally enjoyed it a lot.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I didnt really hate it when I read it, I just moved on lol

[unborn merlin]

I was sold as soon as the Beastmen showed up.

[brittle tapir]

ok i finished blood meridian

had to get some whiskey in me to properly digest this shit

my conclusions are that the judge is a representation of God in the gnostic sense, a materialist force of human will who cannot be defeated by any means since he is at the core of humanity

[safe plover]

why are u reading real books

[shy lark]

It's a good book

I wondered if the beloved Judge is a personification of humanity, or McCarthys bleak view of humanity

[tall phoenix]

definitely one of those lol

[shy lark]

I find it decidedly funny if you look at him as just an ordinary man, what a stud

[tall phoenix]

Lmfao hes definitely not ordinary but i agree its funny

fucking albino macho-man 😭

[severe trail]

Blood meridian good

[brittle tapir]

he fits every definition of the gnostic God

if that was what cormac was going for

[tall phoenix]

its left up to the reader

much like the ending

hes very much the epitome of a "evil force of nature" to some extent

[brittle tapir]

he is a materialist to the extreme

and he can't even be argued with

that's the part that messed with me the most

at first i thought he was a representation of satan but it's deeper than that

[royal egret]

I think he’s a representation of a evil gang leader

[brittle tapir]

he isn't the leader though

[royal egret]

Whatever he was

It’s been years since I read that book

[unborn merlin]

Brother can heave a cannon on one shoulder while also appearing omnipotent and capable of persuading any man.

He says that he will never die. He dances in light and in shadow and he is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the judge.

[brittle tapir]

Glanton is the maniac gang leader with little morals

but the judge is always there at his side

edging him towards insanity

[royal egret]

He’s a representation of how far the homies will go

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats more satanic in nature tho is the thing

hes always the one guiding people towards evil shit

the seed is already laid pretty much

[royal egret]

Huh I forgot that Cormac did No Country for Old Men and the Road too

[tall phoenix]

Its important to take notice of the early signs of dementia

[brittle tapir]

although it's a bit different when you read into gnosticism. the belief in that system is that the old testament God who created the universe, so everything material, is evil

[tall phoenix]

Yeeee

[unborn merlin]

I do find the idea that McCarthy found these two completely irredeemable pieces of shit in a history book and said...yeah I can make a banger western folk horror story with this.

[royal egret]

I need to re read a lot of those, I read them when I was probably too young to be reading that and appreciate it

[tall phoenix]

its why I like his character, hes edgy for edgy's sake on the purpose but hes pretty deep still

[shy lark]

I vaguely recall McCarthy being into gnosticism, so it's a valid reading

[brittle tapir]

the judge is a man of science who knows everything

science is materialism

[tall phoenix]

Man this is making me want to re-read the book

I read it like all the way back in college lol

people were asking me "oh whats that book about!"

me at the passage about scalps (aka half the book)

[shy lark]

I was telling my friends about it and they didn't care, post sad pepe

That's exactly what I told them about, and the babytree

[brittle tapir]

i had just finished listening to the road

last week

and that one is waaaay more gnostic

also holy shit the movie waters it down so much

[tall phoenix]

Its a very hard book to really get unless you actually read/hear someone talking about it at lenght

[unborn merlin]

Bro really said whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.

[tall phoenix]

Actually hold on

[shy lark]

same bro tbh fuck unknown things

[tall phoenix]

there has to be a Holden wojak

[unborn merlin]

The Judge knows how to Reddit.

[tall phoenix]

Damn, I hate this

LOL

[unborn merlin]

KEK

[severe trail]

Horrid

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[royal egret]

It’s funny cause the Road has so little in common with No Country

[brittle tapir]

also something i had to take the time to think about is why he does what he does to children

i think he desires to destroy childhood innocence

[tall phoenix]

that r40klore who exists without my knowledge exists without my consent...

[royal egret]

Real

Where Holden sigma male edits?

[tall phoenix]

Im sure they exist

[shy lark]

is cwc forbidden here

[unborn merlin]

I can't recommend Richard Poe's narration of Blood Meridian enough. His Judge is truly terrifying to listen to. His Spanish is pretty good too.

[royal egret]

lol why are there so many of these lol

[shy lark]

He's a weird feller, iirc he first takes care of one before doing what he does

[brittle tapir]

yeah but i know cormac didn't write his pedo stuff for shock value alone

at one point he shoots a kid's puppies for seemingly no reason

[unborn merlin]

The real dude was an alleged pedophile and child murderer.

[brittle tapir]

i really think the judge hates childhood innocence

[unborn merlin]

There's definitely more fact than fiction if you take out the supernatural stuff.

They were real people doing very real and heinous acts which probably makes the book even more eerie.

[brittle tapir]

meh i looked into the historical accuracy too

the judge holden irl person is barely known about

[royal egret]

I don’t think the strict historical accuracy is that important

It’s the vibes and general idea that he’s going for

[brittle tapir]

his entire character is written from samuel chamberlain's a count of the glanton gang

who writes specifically about a very tall pale guy with no hair at all who seemed very knowledgeable

that's all we really know about the real guy

[tall phoenix]

this yeah

its historical fiction

[royal egret]

Cormac sure does like downer endings

[unborn merlin]

We don't know anything concrete about the dude because he really was a supernatural being.

[tall phoenix]

It still exists within a modicum of reality but has semi-supernatural elements

[brittle tapir]

cormac took a LOT of care with the historical accuracy

it's very important to the story

he wanted to represent the world as it was in that period without embellishment

the horror of the story is how it was real

the glanton scalper gang really existed

[unborn merlin]

I still think McCarthy's biggest downer book is Suttree. Please please give it a try if you haven't already. It's tied with Blood Meridian as my favorite book of his.

[royal egret]

I guess but I don’t think any of his other books which aren’t real are less horrifying

It’s horrifying but it’s also told in such a like

Idk the prose and descriptions are what makes it

[unborn merlin]

All the Pretty Horses is phenomenal as well. Most romantic book about horses ever written lmao.

Really need to finish his Border trilogy.

[brittle tapir]

i think i'm done with his books for now

my psyche can only take so much

the road really bummed me out hard

[royal egret]

They’re very depressing

[unborn merlin]

They're all pretty depressing lmao.

[royal egret]

The Road is like

[unborn merlin]

Maybe not so much his later books.

[royal egret]

The happiest ending he does that I’ve read iirc too lol

[unborn merlin]

The Orchard Keeper is a pretty easy read.

Being his first book and all.

It's just one big slice of life book about people being goofy in the mountains.

[royal egret]

I don’t think I’ve read most his books, just some of the depressing ones lol

[brittle tapir]

apparently a blood meridian movie is in the making right now

[unborn merlin]

I'd say 75% are pure depression and the other 25% are super sincere character studies.

[brittle tapir]

the same guy who directed the road movie

[unborn merlin]

People don't really read his more comedic stuff which is incredibly funny.

Granted it's usually just poor mountain folk trying to get by in life. Super holistic stuff.

[royal egret]

Maybe, it’s been “in the works” before

Idk how you’d film it

[brittle tapir]

yeah but this time it's real

cormac signed off on it before he passed away

[royal egret]

But who knows

[unborn merlin]

They've been trying to make that movie for decades now lmao.

Get the guy who did Bone Tomahawk to direct it.

I'd watch it in a heartbeat.

[brittle tapir]

some books just shouldn't be made into movies but we'll see

[unborn merlin]

https://youtu.be/lCtm2c1_sag?si=4mu4eEeTWkBUqpjJ

Yeah but somebody was going to take a shot anyways.

[royal egret]

Bone tomahawk deserves a better name for that movie

[unborn merlin]

I find it pretty fitting.

It's just an incredibly well made b movie lmao.

[royal egret]

Yeah

[brittle tapir]

im still pretty disappointed in the road movie, i watched it before reading the book and it's ruined for me now

the scene with the man they meet is so stupid in the movie

[royal egret]

I haven’t seen the movie

The book depressed me a lot

Even if it ends not terrible

[brittle tapir]

the movie is a lot more uplifting

in a way i dislike

[unborn merlin]

It's a solid movie. Just not as weighty as the book.

[brittle tapir]

it's like it thinks you're too stupid to feel sad enough

[unborn merlin]

The scene at the house is so much more unsettling in the book.

Remember wanting to throw up as a kid when I was reading it for the first time.

[brittle tapir]

also the movie goes with straight christian themes instead of gnosticism which idk how cormac thought was ok

https://youtu.be/roUjENsQz0U?si=8apNduFKU9AhW87Q

this scene is what really annoyed me

the random old man is so important to the story for me in the book

in the book he doesn't believe there is a god for how can there be one with everything that has happened

and when the man asks what he thought he saw when he saw the boy he replies:
i don't know what i saw

and the movie goes with:
an angel

like fuck you movie

[unborn merlin]

There is no God and we are his prophets.

https://tenor.com/view/black-beard-peak-writing-black-beard-marshal-d-teach-peak-writing-barba-negra-gif-5446515270440960312

[brittle tapir]

this man brings absolutely no joy in the book

he's bitter and he's barely alive

[unborn merlin]

The movie is more hopeful in tone. Don't think it's an entirely bad adaptation but it's definitely a different vibe. Remember it having some great acting.

[brittle tapir]

of course the acting is great with the cast

and the ending does hit hard as well as the book

also something really weird about the road is how its fans are so obsessed with the cause of the apocalypse

as if that has any bearings on the story

anyways these books introduced me to gnosticism which im looking forward to learn about

very interesting belief system that i'm not surprised to learn got almost stomped out of existence numerous times in history by big christian denominations

[shy lark]

Clearly, Arianism was the only one to have it right. It's not my fascination with the goths that dictates it

[tall phoenix]

NOOOO

[shy lark]

what're you, a council of nicaealet?

[brittle tapir]

If the Father begat the Son, then he who was begotten had a beginning in existence, and from this it follows there was a time when the Son was not

[mental cobalt]

I bought a scifi book called Project Hail Mary to read after Siege

[tall phoenix]

wise, the 30k rot must be cleansed

[mental cobalt]

Then we go back to the 40k setting

[frigid osprey]

40k setting is soo much better

[tall phoenix]

Diverse characterisation is needed!

🗣️

[royal egret]

It’s easy to enjoy both, depends on what I’m looking for

They have very different vibes

[tall phoenix]

I was literally about to say "i hope someone isnt triggered by this statement"

like clockwork

[royal egret]

Sorry yes I mean “This subjective setting bad, this subjective setting good”

[paper maple]

Nobody asked

centrist ahh

[royal egret]

We must always compare things by shitting on one, it is impossible to enjoy two things

[tall phoenix]

I mean people will always have differing opinions on the subject

[royal egret]

Grimdank ass opinions

[tall phoenix]

You'd know redditor

[royal egret]

I didn’t say we need to enjoy all of it

[paper maple]

You always do though

"wah wah i dont like this opinion, people must enjoy everything and not have a differing opinion because it irks me"

legit pick a lane

[royal egret]

“I like this this thing” isn’t “this thing is better than this”

[paper maple]

I mean so? You also dont need to always do that either yet you do

[tall phoenix]

Alright kids go argue in private please

[royal egret]

If “I like both settings” is making you this upset

[tall phoenix]

Its way too late in the day for me to police another spat

[royal egret]

Then that’s on you

[paper maple]

This coming from the guy that gets upset at most subjects people wanna talk about while calling them "dumb" speaks for itself honestly

[tall phoenix]

Again, take a time out.

I legit cant with you two right now

[unborn merlin]

True chads prefer the War in Heaven.

https://tenor.com/view/черный-gif-8284575235000460429

[royal egret]

Too mainstream

Age of Apostasy is what really hits

[lethal valley]

He's doing it againnnnn

[frigid osprey]

The horus heresy is boring as fuck

Superhero soap opera

Marines Vs Marines

boring

[paper maple]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[frigid osprey]

Yawn city

[paper maple]

Its got some good books but about like 3 dozen bad ones so I wont comment more beyond that

[royal egret]

I get if it’s not your thing. There’s definitely plenty of bad books, but that’s not unique to the heresy.

[frigid osprey]

Yep there are plenty of bad 40k books, you can do so much more with the 40k setting itself though

Which is the poggers bit

[unborn merlin]

It's okay dude. I like the HH conceptually. A good chunk of the books were dookie tho so the execution couldn't been better.

I do think it pays off having read most of it whenever you end up reading about a legacy character.

[tall phoenix]

Garro

😭

55 books and dies like a fucking hobo

[unborn merlin]

KEK

Okay maybe not all legacy characters.

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

I didnt understand why people hated Knight of Grey until I finally read it.

[unborn merlin]

Meant more like the ones who are still active like Lucius or Björn.

[tall phoenix]

Oh right lol

to be fair they are very blank too imo

Abaddon is like the only one i actually like

everyone else is a bit of a caricature and no different from their 40k counterparts, which is something HH struggles with a lot

[unborn merlin]

Ahriman had some cool bits. Lucius was pretty much Lucius lmao.

[tall phoenix]

Oh right yeah I like him too

and yeah Lucius is just "arrogant asshole but no demon powers yet"

so nothing new kek

[unborn merlin]

Sev never made it out of the DA sex dungeon.

Uuuuh Kharn was great in most of his stories.

[tall phoenix]

When he said the one-liner I clapped

[royal egret]

Sigismund gets a good arc, there was a few other characters it was nice to see

[unborn merlin]

It's been said a million times but tdlr should've been way shorter and there's both some high highs and low lows.

[royal egret]

I was surprised they did Sor Talgron

Yeah it had a bunch of issues cause how it started and they planned it shorter

[unborn merlin]

Sigismund was pretty cool.

[royal egret]

And obviously there’s a lot of subpar authors with the good ones

But overall I think they stuck the landing

The later half is much stronger

[unborn merlin]

"It's Kharning time." - Betrayer written by ADB probably idk.

[tall phoenix]

something-something "get up"

dude I soy'd so hard when he beat up eresus

[royal egret]

I liked it the first time, then the fanbase ruined it

[unborn merlin]

It was cool when Sigismund split the dude in half with his big girthy sword. Right down the middle.

[tall phoenix]

Tale old as time lol

[royal egret]

There’s a lot of stuff I enjoy but

[unborn merlin]

I was kinda only half listening at that point I vaguely remember it.

[tall phoenix]

(:

I mean there wasnt much

the entirety of Siggy's scenes are

hes loyal

hes no.1 Fister

he kills generic supervillain marines

also Dorn said bad words at him

https://tenor.com/view/youre-not-my-dad-little-kid-gif-5537054

but reverse

[unborn merlin]

If we're going to be critical here, Dorn took way too damn long to forgive the dude. We didn't need him to be mad at him for some odd twenty something books.

Sigismund whenever Dorn tells him to cart himself.

[tall phoenix]

He forgor

[royal egret]

He didn’t really forgive him, they just got over it.

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/piyushzen-gif-9791349359727737631

[tall phoenix]

also that yeah

half the point is Sigint learning to live with it

[unborn merlin]

They should've made up and just made some cookies together.

[royal egret]

Sigismund arc is to not require Dorns approval

[tall phoenix]

also him realising in the future of 40k theres only war and religion, but you might miss it if you blink

[royal egret]

Dorn struggles with dealing either the immaterium and accepting its bullshit

[tall phoenix]

Its one of the most goofy parts of the Siege imo

[unborn merlin]

I know, just being a little goofy here. I don't think Dorn was written all that well for most of HH. At certain times he was loosely goosey with the rules to the point that it went against his character only to revert back to old ways.

[royal egret]

And accepting that they can’t go back

[tall phoenix]

I appreciate the idea behind it but its so repetitive

"you think the emperor is a god? What is a god?"

OH MY GOD

SHUT UP

[unborn merlin]

Obviously that can be chalked up to having a dozen cooks in the kitchen.

[royal egret]

Little column a little column b yeah

[tall phoenix]

Also yeah like, as much as they advertised the Siege as "we are all working together on this narrative" they very much ignore half the shit they put in the novels half the time

which is kinda funny but like its warhammer so its whatever lol

[unborn merlin]

Like Dorn from twelve books ago would've been more lenient. Then Dorn in the next book has a total stick up his ass.

[tall phoenix]

Yep.

Again the authors kinda clearly dont know what the other is writing aside from footnotes they pass over skype/discord

[unborn merlin]

Like the whole back and forth with Mal was so done to death dude.

[royal egret]

The siege they do fine with, it’s just the other books they didn’t

The main sticking issue is when it shifts author and you notice how much worse or better they are at writing character

[unborn merlin]

I liked the Dorn and Sig dynamic during SoT for sure. Repentance and death only in duty to the Emperor is hella Black Templars.

I forgot what the short story was called but it's the one where Dorn chastised him for helping Garro and Euphrati but that never really gets resolved or referenced for like some odd twenty books.

Super frustrating.

[tall phoenix]

Its fiiiine

fodder Short is fodder Short

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-10093852890875433850

[tall phoenix]

focus on the books

[unborn merlin]

Sucks when some of those shorts were some of the best stories.

Banished to the anthology realm.

No hope of returning or getting a satisfactory ending.

[tall phoenix]

I still hate how you pointed out Dorn was getting rid of Remembrancers

then in the Siege he sees Slenderman about to commit suicide and just makes a new remembrancer order

[unborn merlin]

No fr it was fucking redundant.

I thought I was going crazy. Like wasn't this resolved already?

[tall phoenix]

KEK

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[tall phoenix]

again its whatever, the entire Interrogator order concept is goofy anyway

one of the most egregious parts of the novel for me

and thats wild because I do like Saturnine

[unborn merlin]

Just another convoluted way to tie into the Inquisition...but of course the last book literally fucking ends before it actually gets interesting.

[tall phoenix]

||And Fo is also one of the founders of the Inquisition because??? Lmao||

holy shit that part was funny, but I didnt mind it because I love Fo

hes literally just Gru from Despicable Me

[unborn merlin]

Like people were championing the book like it resolved so much. My brother in Christ none of the non-astartes characters got closure.

[tall phoenix]

It left way too much open yeah, Abnett does say he tried as much as he could to close a lot of plotlines but I never really felt like that was the case minus like... Loken i guess?

[unborn merlin]

It just ends as they put Big E on the throne??? Like hello???? Tune into the next four anthology books guys.

Maybe then we'll find out what happens to Jimmy Bob from that one book you spent half the runtime reading.

[tall phoenix]

Ironically im very much looking forward to the anthology because these last 3 novels wrapped up nothing.

[royal egret]

What a mark

Smh

[tall phoenix]

if the "carrion lord of the imperium" by ADB doesnt cover that shit im throwing my PDF in the trash

[unborn merlin]

Straight up. GW manages to sucker me back in for more slop.

They know what they're doing.

[tall phoenix]

Im not paying money for it so

[unborn merlin]

[tall phoenix]

I mean uh yeah we gotta adhere to them

[unborn merlin]

Oh yeah totally.

[tall phoenix]

But anyway yeah anthology makes sense my only hope for it at least is like

covers the cleanup efforts of a literal cthulu shitstorm that was the last stages of the Siege

Explains how the Emperor is doing on the toilet

because we got literal titans nailed to palace walls, whos gonna be cleaning that shit up

[unborn merlin]

Can't wait to learn what happens to Katsuhiro and that stupid baby ten years from now.

[tall phoenix]

shut the fuck up

LMAO

God I hate Katsuhiro

bro needs to head back to Ind

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-peanuts-charlie-brown-laugh-cartoon-gif-10063073985247548142

I'm invested now man. I gotta know.

[tall phoenix]

The baby will get a nice job in a smoke-choked factorum

[unborn merlin]

John Grammaticus teams up with the baby to defeat a Lord of Change.

Trust the process

[runic root]

Can i rant for a second? I just read "call of the lion", by gav Thorpe, (in Horus heresy, book named "tales of heresy") and albeit that the short story isnt badly written (also not really well written, just ok), the heresy and crusade era calibanite marines grind my fucking gears....

Like, your mission is to reconquer the stars, peacefully If possible, by sword and flame If necessary. And now this Dunderhead of a calibanite (belath) comes to an esteemed terran space marine of the legion (astelan) and is like "nuh uh, not the will of the emperor is the deciding factor, but the shrewed and intransparent, convoluted secrets of the lion".... "Lets just murder everyone without even saying hello. Millions can die, lol, lmao even"....

No wonder half the legion went rouge.... Out of all legion betrayls, the one of the darkangels was the most uncalled for, self caused and most avoidable and as long as that stubborn weakness of secrecy and mistrust (and aggressively favoring the lion over the emperor) exists, i will refuse to call them the best legion #blueberrysupremacy 😤

[tall phoenix]

Lmao that one is up there with Wolf At the Door for me

though im not really against cartoonishly evil loyalist marines so i didnt mind it as much even if Gav is just a bad novel writer in general

[runic root]

On that last sentence we agree. I read his last dark angels novel (the one where a chaplin gets bamboozled by some fallen the entire book) and i felt genuinly cheated out of my euros and insulted in my intelligence.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah never buy a dark angels book written by Thorpe

I learned that the hard way reading most of his DA novels, prime tier braindead stuff

[runic root]

I dunno If its the Text or my language, but his last book i read, Angles of darkness, sounded so pompous, as If a 7th grader who just discovered posh words decided to write his personal half baked power fantasy.... 🤮. Worst sounding novel ive ever read in german

[tall phoenix]

Duuude holy fuck that book is from like 2003

But also nah the book is very much written in that same tone in english, I read it almost 2 decades ago now but i still remember it pretty well

[runic root]

It took Germany 20 years to translate it. Or at least 20 years for it to finally show up in my store....

[tall phoenix]

lmfao

Yeah it got re-released like 3 times i think

[runic root]

I could never focus on the story in that book because that intellectually bankrupt and insulting wording/tone made me so angry. FUCK THAT BOOK

[runic root]

Imagine you rework a script 3 times and the book still fucking sucks... Thorpe should retire

[tall phoenix]

trust me it can get much worse

[tall phoenix]

Gav should only ever just stick to writing non-novel material for warhammer, that stuff of his is usually peak.

he just cannot write books

[runic root]

And here i thought abnett would stick harder to his almost enjoyable mediocracy than a politician to his campaign lies..... Who'd thunk that he'd devolve from mediocre to bad

[tall phoenix]

Oh come now hes not that terrible.

Hes a very good writer.

He just has moments where his head can go up his ass at times.

[runic root]

On a scale from horus rising to battle of the abyss, how bad are is it?

[runic root]

As in codices? Or what else outside of novels does he produce ( i only ever read the novels)

[tall phoenix]

Yeah mostly rulebooks/other fluff, Gav has been in warhammer since the 80's so hes one of the old guard essentially.

[tall phoenix]

It has some incredible scenes coupled with extreme bloat due to bad editoring by Nick Kyme who was "helping" Abnett with these, I highly suggest reading these to anyone but also to skim-read the parts they dont like.

The 3 books combined are over almost 800 pages

(your average 40k novel is usually 300-ish pages)

[runic root]

I heared loken died by erebus. So he deserves all the hate he gets lmao (If it wasnt obvious by now, i am a garviel loken fanboy 🙃)

[tall phoenix]

My bad, I checked the lexi and did the math

[runic root]

Old guard ye say. So what youre actually saying is that he'll die eventually....

[tall phoenix]

LOL

Well hes a freelancer currently, but still pops up to do warhammer stuff sometimes like that new mediocre Votann book

[tall phoenix]

Loken's scene is really well done ill say, the Erebus shit is mostly so he just dies so he doesnt appear in 40k, its very out of nowhere and comedic

[runic root]

I dont think Nick kyme could poor water out of a boot with the instructions written on the Heel, nevermind help with a novel. Thats like asking Conrad kurze to Change a babys diaper and rock it to sleep afterwards...

[tall phoenix]

Kyme is just a dogshit author yeah, i think anyone really likes his works that much unless its something non-Salamander related.

mostly

Abnett mentions in the afterword of Novel 3 that Kyme's "tip" for him was and I quote "Just write as much as you want, don't worry about the wordcount." so he basically barely did his job as an editor and it really shows.

[runic root]

This has serious mean College gurl sabotage vibes to it

"Naaa bestiiee, that dress reaaaly fits you and you should totally wear it to prom. Btw, i heared Tyler really liked you, you should talk to him frfr"....

💀

[tall phoenix]

But yeah like I said i think they are absolutely worth a read

just be prepared to quick-read some pages, because it draaaaaaaaaags

[runic root]

Cries in crippling adhd.... Cant wait to quick read entire chapters because they were too boring for my squirrel brain😂😂😂

[tall phoenix]

ADHD would go bad with Siege but theres nothing we can do

[brittle tapir]

40k books are terrible if you have ADHD it's like trying to read the entire dictionary

[runic root]

Cough Ritalin cough

Jokes aside, i am probably gonna read it like the first Ahriman Omnibus. Normal reading until it gets boring, then fast, skipping lines browsing over the fluff until stuff is interesting again, rinse and repeat

[runic root]

I usually skip all the elaborate description and world building and focus on the dialogue and fight scene. That is why i love bolterporn, despite it being shallow, unimaginative and repetitve. At least its fun.

[safe plover]

only dan abnetts

why do you think i hate legion so much

shits unreadable

[runic root]

I managed to read it. But it took me forever. I devoured horus rising in 2 days. I needed 3 months for legion, 5 months for mechanicum (too many descriptions/details 🙈)

Btw i read all six Uriel Ventris books (the Double omnibus) and the night lords trillogy in 10 days.... I can be a fast yet accurate reader, i read the Count of Montecristo in an 9 hour binge read all nighter at age 15, however, the book needs to captivate me in order to do that, if it doesnt, its like treading on molasses

[hearty niche]

Add also is pretty annoying I have to re read shit like 5 times before it clicks

Audio books are good for me for that reason

But sometimes I need the actual physical book so idk

https://youtu.be/7RY7NVhdl9E?si=5cOqcyFtjEk12Agh

Some more free content lol this ones like 11 hours Long tho

The reader also does voices for like different charecters so it might not be for everyone lmao

This one's about the spyships that get sent into the warp and there encounters they meet in the warp

I forgot the actual name for the ships I mean

[safe plover]

ikr

the second book is the only one i read

first 4 are too good

dan just went fucking all out with the weird terminology in that legion

better yet all the terminology he used was wrong

[runic root]

Aborder prince and vox in the void are pretty good content

[hearty niche]

Ok I'll put that next on my list ty!

[runic root]

I just skimmed over all the fluff and concentrated on all the characters that werent Alpha Legion. However, i do have to concede that it took me half the book to finally be able to distinguish between all the different characters

[wintry blade]

In ice and fire, what are your bets as to what the space marine is?

[runic root]

? You mean in operation environments? As in in fiery landscapes vs frozen hellholes?

[wintry blade]

No I mean the character in the book, Fire and Ice

[wintry blade]

I misspoke

If I had to guess, I’d say he’s alpha legion

[runic root]

Havent read it yet

By whom is it?

[wintry blade]

Peter Fehevari

[runic root]

Sounds hungarian

[safe plover]

ye very magyar hangolo

[lavish rune]

Love Fehervari

Slowly working my way through his Dark Coil works

[shy lark]

Speaking of which, I'm having an hard time focusing on The Reverie. I'm only on chapter 7 but does it pick up later?

[tall phoenix]

its a Fehervari book

you're either gonna like it or not like it

its a bit hard to explain with his writing style lol

[royal egret]

If you don’t, you will be judged

[shy lark]

It's something about The Reverie, the writing is fine but I want to do anything else

[royal egret]

I would just put it down until you’re in the mood

He’s definitely that kind of author

[shy lark]

A palette cleanser is probably in order, I got through his Requiem Infernal just fine

[severe trail]

Dark coil is peak fiction

[lavish rune]

I'm usually a horror/weird fiction reader so Fehervari was a good fit. Only other 40k writer I have experience with is Nate Crowley

[runic root]

I am still torn how i should feel about James swallow. Some of his sister of Battle stuff i like (despite it being cheesier than an 80s action movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger) but some of his books....

[unborn merlin]

He's got some bangers.

At worst his stuff can be boring. Don't think I've read a genuinely horrible book by him unlike Thorpe or Kyme.

[hearty niche]

Fell asleep listening to a audio book and now I don't know where I am

[drowsy urchin]

what are you using to listen to them? Most applications have a sleep timer if you've not noticed

or did you just forgor 💀

[hearty niche]

I was listening to a free one on YouTube lol

[drowsy urchin]

ah 😄

[lethal valley]

Nick kyme, the only author that can make knights, wolves, and marines malevolent boring, in one book

[runic root]

Which book are you referring to? (So i can avoid buying it )

[lethal valley]

The iron kingdom, sadly it's a really cool premise and a part of the important ish dawn of fire series,

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[lethal valley]

You should still read the series, though it's just a rough point in the dawn of fire saga

[tall phoenix]

the entirety of Dawn of Fire is just so mid

I legit got no idea how a team of authors is capable of something like this lol

[unborn merlin]

Never underestimate mediocrity and an easy paycheck.

[mental cobalt]

No dawn of fire

[shy lark]

but do read the first law

[mellow knot]

As an aside, if you ever want a switch out of BL stuff, Jim’s thriller books are really good - I particularly recommend ‘Airside’.

[tall phoenix]

[runic root]

Ive read everything in the Dawn of fire series until wolftime (which was mediocre at best, i liked the gaius Arc, nothing more)

[runic root]

Oh, i have read that one. I still call bullshit on a few mini knights being able to so easily oneshot a named, previosly badass custodes

I think i have the two volumes after wolftime as an eBook, but ive not gotten around reading them just yet

[runic root]

The Guy Haley one (the first one) was ok in my opinion

[lethal valley]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[runic root]

Context?

[runic root]

Context?

Pls

[mental cobalt]

No context

go in blind

[sonic walrus]

The Sunday times best selling author James Swallow?

[tacit raft]

as an aside from any books, i got most satisfied with Landau, Lifshitz : field theory

most entertaining

dont recommend reading when drunk, gonna reread it multiple times, trust me

[opaque pagoda]

I am in the middle of Dead man walking whats everyones thoughts of it

i felt it was a slow start but ramps very quickly

[severe trail]

It’s good

Imo the best dkok focused book

[tall phoenix]

^

Thats saying a lot considering most DKOK books

https://tenor.com/view/mklpkl-luigi-book-death-gif-20830298

[hearty niche]

Read that as...D Kok ...

[opaque pagoda]

it was hard to in the beginning but def the focus into other peoples eyes is great

[tall phoenix]

lmao

but honest mistake

[hearty niche]

[random marlin]

I agree, notably because it felt more like nihilistic satire at various points than Krieg, for instance, which felt like it took itself much too seriously, making it an uncomfortable read, at least for me.

[tall phoenix]

Krieg books definitely suffer a lot from hero-izing them id say but the problem is their core fanbase is so braindead they'd probably still not get the message.

They'd see shit like throwing away your lasgun before you get gauss'd to save resources as "badass" more than horribly disturbing

[safe plover]

WOW THEY DIE AND THEY HAVE UNSTABLE GUNS

WOWOWOWOWO

SO KEWL

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

best thing about kreig is their lore until the formation of the krieg corpes

[tall phoenix]

lmaooo christ

(not wrong though)

[safe plover]

its tru i liked the story for their planet

but everything else ehhhh

[tall phoenix]

I still cannot believe how people love all the backstory flashbacks for the Krieg™️ novel but the moment it becomes current-time its a borefest

one of the funniest common critiques ive seen of it that always gets me

[random marlin]

It does pick up later, however Reverie is quite different from Requiem Infernal. Peter tends to try different tones in his various short stories/novels and with Requiem Infernal, he was trying to do something like Gothic Horror/Name of the Rose.

Reverie is very different as it's one of his more "straightforward" books as it delves into the Resplendent chapter.

Also, maybe it's better to read short stories between his books, it's easier to see ties and connections between each story this way.

For instance, the short story Aria Arcana may have been a better fit as it's directly tied to the events of Requiem Infernal.

That's something quite unique with the Dark Coil, each story gets better if you read it again after having read other Dark Coil stories.

For instance, when I read Blind Sight in the White Dwarf it was published, I liked it but didn't enjoy it that much, however, I enjoyed reading it again after having read The Thirteenth Psalm and seen the connections between the two stories.

Same thing for Nightbleed and Nightshift Nineteen, I feel that each story elevates the other.

But I'm citing stories which have direct links, however there are more discreet links between other stories, such as (at least) one between Requiem Infernal and Fire Caste.

I think there's something playful in that, a bit when you're watching a show such as Severance where there are clues and setups/payoffs everywhere and if you start playing along looking for clues, it becomes quite fun. But I also understand it's not everyone's cup of tea.

[random marlin]

Yeah, I remember when we spoke about it and how I liked Dead Men Walking's ||ending because the citizen who tried to become a Krieger just got left behind. To me, it was a bit of a "be careful who you're idolizing" which could be aimed at the Krieg fanbase. But maybe I just missed the point or read too much into it seeing Lyons' following Krieg books.|| :/

[tall phoenix]

Lmaooo yeah its hard to tell because Lyons is such a Krieg fanboy at times.

[deft bramble]

being a regiment "fanboy"

[severe trail]

Lyons really likes Krieg

but he also ironically gets Krieg as well

unlike

a lot of them

[royal egret]

I mean the dude is dead inside by the end, the point was more just he became unrecognizable from the conflict

He’s the title card

[random marlin]

Sure, but he becomes this way because of his contact with the dehumanized Kriegers and their way of approaching any conflict. Things could have been different for him had it been a regiment from another culture who had come to the planet's rescue, rather than the Kriegers.

[shy lark]

I think it turns out I stopped being in a reading mood, couldn't concentrate on three others either. Good to know though thanks

[shy lark]

It's a surface reading but I did read it as the kriegers are just dead kids men walking and it's more or less the end result of the Imperial Guard where civilians get picked up and dehumanised and spit out again broken and dehumanised when they're not usable for war

[remote glacier]

Kriegers have unstable guns?

That seems like

...the #1 thing they would maintain

💀

Like if you're gonna die for the Emperor, might as well lessen the chance of you dying from like

your lasgun fucking exploding because you didn't clean it

[severe trail]

they don't

unless you count plasma lol

[hearty niche]

Don't they train the men using those guns to efficiently use them without causing a plas melt down

Or is that the astartes

Cause I know guardsmen w lasguns know how to booby trap the guns so if an enemy tries to use it , they explode

[severe trail]

They do, but the thing with plasma is sometimes you need to overcharge

also operator error

ect.

[hearty niche]

Yeah honestly I would stay far away from plasma guns lmao

Wouldn't even want to be behind someone using one

[severe trail]

Well

they're good at killing shit

[hearty niche]

Good at deleting

Simply gone

[unborn merlin]

Virgin Krieg versus Chad Steel Legion

[royal egret]

Mordians are what the fanbase thinks Krieg are

Have multiple cases of them standing their ground and maintaining disciplined fire and slow withdrawal from greater daemons, death company, chaos marines, Necrons, and so on.

[safe plover]

"The signature weapon of the Death Korps of Krieg, the Lucius-pattern lasgun operates in the 21 megathoule range, but is designed to draw from a standard Munitorum-issue power pack. Consequently, the Lucius lasgun discharges a more powerful shot, but drains the power pack at a correspondingly increased rate. This also puts a great strain on the weapon, limiting the rate of fire and requiring such features as additional heat sink rings lining the exterior of the barrel. Even with such considerations, an over-taxed Lucius lasgun can quickly overheat. The added danger of the weapon overheating does not perturb the famously stoic Krieg"

yeah theres even the heavy varient? i forgot whats its called

with the big power backpack

thats even more unstable

but its only for specialized unites

[severe trail]

Overheating isn’t unstable

It just means you can’t fire it

[severe trail]

It’s a hotshot lasgun variant

[safe plover]

close enough

[digital saffron]

What's fucked up is Dead Men Walking and the new Krieg books are written by the same dude

Which feels really damn weird

[tall phoenix]

its because Lyons is the only person in 40k for the last 20 years that ever writes for Krieg.

hes such a enigma lol

[runic root]

@tall phoenix i am bored. Can you pick a fight with @safe plover over legion please

🫣

[tall phoenix]

Im watching tv shaddap

[safe plover]

go play darktide if ur bored

[tall phoenix]

literally me rn

[safe plover]

im trying a new build hop on

[runic root]

Fair enough
Maybe later

[runic root]

Can only watch. I am on the train one city over, going on a date

[runic root]

If youre in a strike party that is

[safe plover]

i dont think my laptop can handle streaming

i can try

strike 1

[runic root]

No need to stress, also, public Transport, so cant talk, only type

[safe plover]

ok yeah its not happening

i cant move lmao

[runic root]

With or without beergut?

[runic root]

Its all good. I have an off work day tmr, we can game together tmr If youre available.

[mellow knot]

Sorry, I was away all weekend!

James Swallow.

[runic root]

@safe plover on my way home. Might consider playing a few matches in about an hour. If youre still on by then

[safe plover]

nah not today i think

i think im coming down with something too tired to play anymore

[runic root]

Aight. I'll take the randos of quickplay then. Or maybe some brave souls here.

[runic root]

You just get yourself a tea and some rest, Sir. Maybe read some legion, to fall asleep quickly 😘🫣😜

Btw tmr still stands on my side. Gonna be online from 10-16 German time

[safe plover]

i think maybe the day after would be better we could try the new update

[tall phoenix]

The update is cancelled guys sorry

[runic root]

Where can i read that?

[tall phoenix]

[runic root]

Cancelled or delayed?

Or are you pulling my leg?

[runic root]

That would be tuesday, right? I could only do that from 11am-17pm german time

[safe plover]

🤔

yeah same timezone for me

idk if the update would drop for me by then but if its up yeah im down

[runic root]

I'll just keep an eye on my steam acc and circle back to you on that

But trying new ogryn builds together would be fun. Cant wait to abuse the punch of the knife lol

[safe plover]

cant wait to rush through trappers without a care in the world

[runic root]

I am german. If you write something in good fun that i cant right away spot as bs, i am going to believe you, at first ...

[runic root]

Oh yeah, or finally escape locked in machine gunners with it

[tall phoenix]

[runic root]

Didnt find anything in the patchnotes.

[runic root]

So please stop pulling my leg or i will burn my legion Copy

[mental cobalt]

No one is pulling leg

it's there

trust

read legion

"I am alpharius"

[runic root]

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, i will invade poland

[hearty niche]

https://tenor.com/view/abracadabra-abradacadabra-kurwa-firework-magic-wand-gif-18508811

[drowsy urchin]

Oh I'm actually really interested to hear what Rob has to say. Hadn't noticed this new show before either

[random marlin]

The first episode was about Krieg I think, but the author wasn’t present.

[runic root]

@safe plover how is the health? Ready to kill some heretics in a bit?

[safe plover]

i just woke up

[runic root]

Good morning sunshine

[safe plover]

good morning @runic root

[hearty niche]

https://youtu.be/qVxsn8hA4cI?si=eMTMC64IqeSOE4FH

[hearty niche]

https://youtu.be/LvwPOdF4B8E?si=Rb8cYVg8B8evzSK4

[runic root]

@safe plover had fun playing the new update yet?

[safe plover]

I played one trial which then crashed on me twice

a psyker talent currently causes the game to crash

sons of selenar is alright btw

[tall phoenix]

booo

[runic root]

I played ogryn. With several other ogryns. Highest diff. We played 3 trials....

A little bit underwhelming. Feels like 3-6 difficulty tiers were missing. Also, when as a final boss a deamonhost showed up, i wished they wouldnt have taken the corrupting aura away.

[runic root]

The two of you are adorable in detracting each other. When's the wedding?

[safe plover]

tbh i got mad the game crashed twice and stopped trying

ogryn felt great in meatgrinder

[runic root]

Typical fatshark update. Give it a few days and one or two patches. However, i feel you. Rolling steel crashed on me 16 consecutive times in a row and i didnt touch that mission until 1 month after the last patch.

[runic root]

He finally feels playable and less cumbersome/lumbering

Also, i heared mod users got shafted badly again with this update, which doesnt surprise me.

[safe plover]

happens every update

people just dont update their mods

[tall phoenix]

mod users deserve the treatment

[safe plover]

😡

you hate mods now

[tall phoenix]

always did

[safe plover]

you dont even play this game

[tall phoenix]

Im literally in the game

I got it open right now lmao

[safe plover]

discord mod hates freedom big shocker 🙄

[tall phoenix]

what in the-

[safe plover]

mods let people get more control over their experience

[finite frigate]

discord MOD hates MODS kinda ironic....

[tall phoenix]

Pretty messed up man

[cerulean peak]

Playin' darktide vanilla

[tall phoenix]

Weaklings.

[cerulean peak]

I don't need to see other people's numbers

[tall phoenix]

How else will you be able to judge them and be an elitist?

AND complain about havoc or someting idfk

[cerulean peak]

Never needed a reason to complain

[runic root]

I hereby bestow upon thee the honorary german citizenship. You have the mentality that is needed ... 💀

[royal egret]

I agreed, users who are mods are the worst.

[cerulean peak]

Nice. My german classes finally paid off

[runic root]

A guy whose mods allowed him to see my loadout (he wasnt present at loading screen where you can see that anyway), ragequit within the first seconds of gloriana because i was running a gun psyker with smite and He accused me of creating a static game (i didnt use smite once at that point lol)

[tall phoenix]

Exact same thing happened to me once

he saw my trinkets and instantly left

fucking elitist pieces of shit

[severe trail]

Ngl

I have the scoreboard mod for one reason

I get dopamine seeing numbers

I get why it’s not in the game though

[shy lark]

I'd like a scoreboard mod just for meself, I like challenging myself to do better

[celest heron]

I have 2 mods in darktide and vermintide

Numeric ui, and dodge counter

[runic root]

Scoreboard has upsides and downsides, like almost anything else. If anything, id like to see in game statistics for me, only pertaining to me, not others. Like damage dealt, blees/burn damage inflicted, amount of enemies killed, etc. That way i can improve myself without the ego pissing contest

[runic root]

The amount of condescending people in this game is alarming. Sometimes , all i wanna type is "I get that youre upset we lost that round, good Sir/Mam, but that is no reason to denounce my or our teammates skills entirely, especially not in that colourful language"....

The amount of salt sometimes thrown at me in the game Chat, especially on malice/heresy/sometimes even regular damnation is nothing short of harrowing

[severe trail]

I don’t type at all lol

[tall phoenix]

its just classic asshole gamer stuff.

you get used to it after awhile

[shy lark]

The guy I play with is usually fine but in Darktide he won't stop whining about other players

Maybe it's the game after all

[safe plover]

in ~2k hours i can legit count the really toxic experiences i've had on one hand

but i pretty much only play auric damn

i guess people tend to be more toxic in higher and lower difficulties

[wise yew]

As a tank player

Just like a lobster i had to dissolve my brain and assume a new identity just to get by some of these people

[shy lark]

that shit what liam neeson said to the wolves in that one movie

I just gotta do better 💪

[runic root]

I usually resign myself to hello and gg and thanks. Thats enough

[severe trail]

I say gg if it’s really smooth

Tbh

But I don’t really count that as typing personally

[runic root]

I hope. Atm this shit still bothers me. I grew up in a society (rural germany) where you did get punched in the face for the outlandish things you said, even at the kindergarten level.

[runic root]

Well, technically it is... 🙃 (Sry thats the german in me)

[runic root]

If its extremely smooth and well played i say gg wp. And If someone clutches or tries to clutch i say thank you/thx nt.

Sometimes one of the teammembers likes my name and asks me how i thought of it (happens rarely). Then i also type to explain. But thats very rare.

[runic root]

I agree. Interacting with people online was what made me understand the significance in the bible when Jesus commands his followers to love their enemies....

[runic root]

I spent about 500 of my 900+ hours on malice/heresy. It is bad down there. Very bad.

Even damnation has the occasional idiot present. Auric is where i had the least idiots so far

[wintry blade]

Any book recommendations?

I think I’m scraping the bottom of the barrel

[deft bramble]

eisenhorn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304670898862690304/1338046522402668675/think.gif

[unborn merlin]

The Catcher in the Rye

[severe trail]

I don’t like that book

[safe plover]

Happy Birthday, Hello Kitty

[runic root]

A grim repast.

If you like crime that is

[wintry blade]

I actually just finished that, I’m done with all the crime books now

[wintry blade]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-64-mario-gore-die-sm64-gif-6121976859018775963

[random marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/in-the-mouth-of-madness-sutter-cane-sam-neil-gif-13895845763767724241

(replace "Sutter Cane" by "Peter Fehervari")

[hearty niche]

I swear that's a easy way to tell they just have a sheep mentality and are just repeating what they have heard a youtuber or streamer say and have never tried it out themselves

[minor granite]

I wanna buy my first book. What's a good suggestion?

[deft bramble]

#40k-book-club message

[random marlin]

Check the pinned messages, lots of ideas there. 🙂

[runic root]

If you like space marines the two Uriel Ventris omnibuses might be an interesting place to start

[safe plover]

my god Saturnine fucking SUCKS

like rogal dorn would ever fucking talk someone from suicide

LIKE ROGAL DORN WOULD GIVE 3 FUCKS about an unemployed rememberance

""‘I don’t give a shit,’ said the Great Khan.
‘My lord,’ Niborran pressed. ‘Colonel Brohn is a senior and decorated
Army officer, and an essential part of the-‘
‘Not a single shit,’ said the Great Khan."

WHO THE FUCK IS WRITING THIS

i thought i was done with slop

[tall phoenix]

Hahaha nerd

[cerulean peak]

Dan Abnett

[tall phoenix]

But okay so I REALLY like Dorn talking Slenderman out of committing suicide

BUT

I will absolutely agree the Khan scene is so goofy

[cerulean peak]

Brace for the end and death (i,ii,iii)

[tall phoenix]

"Not a single shit" is the most un-primarch thing ive ever read in a book lol

[wise yew]

Hey it gives the man that has the personality range of a brick a personality

So hey that's something positive

Khan on the other hand

[tall phoenix]

💀

[wise yew]

Ehhh

[drowsy urchin]

Why wouldn't Dorn talk Sinderman out of suicide

what

[safe plover]

i DONT GIVE A SHIT BULGUR

NOT A SINGLE SHIT

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the Dorn scene is good, the Khan scene i agree kinda took me out of it.

I also am of the opinion that the word "shit" gets used way too much in this book too tbh

[wise yew]

And i do not ask for your opinion yet here we are

Kind of funny how that works but anyway

[drowsy urchin]

I didn't even remember that part so I had to google if it even happened

[safe plover]

i was joking 😭

[wise yew]

I have an incredibly blunt approach to life

So apologies

[tall phoenix]

Kill him Clad

do it

[safe plover]

the guy who puts on a pain glove to chill? i really dont see him stopping the suicide or giving him a job

[tall phoenix]

Dorn likes to believe hes a "good" person at the end of the day and a defender of the people.

[wise yew]

Do you really want me to turn him into shark fin soup?

[safe plover]

"hey bro we NEED rememberancers to uhhhh report uhhh stuff????"