40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

Arbitrator Ian sums it all up well, down to just "Avoid this book" to "You must read it."

[crimson hawk]

the problem is

my undiagnosed disease of sorts will have me read everything in order

cause it will bother me

what other good authors are there other than dan abnett

would help categorizing stuff a bit

[tall phoenix]

IT REALLY depends

Abnett is 99% of the time always good.

Others are hit and miss, Robert Rath for example is a pretty good one

Chris Wraight and Sandy Mitchel are great too

Its very hard to stack these people into a group because Black Libray just has so many authors.

[smoky bronze]

I think abnett would be a pretty successful novelist even in a world where he didn't encounter 40k, he knows what's up

[tall phoenix]

He already kind of is.

Hes an old Marvel comic book dude and wrote some other good sci-fi books, just not too much at the front i think.

[unborn merlin]

Aaron Dembski-Bowden is considered one of the best (if not the best) by the entire fanbase.

You also have other writers like John French and Graham McNeil just to name a few.

Abnett is a consistently good writer but when his novels are boring, I mean they are BORING. When he’s on the top of his game his stories are really gripping so you can’t always come out with a banger.

[shrewd silo]

It's really annoying Abnett has some really good series like gaunts ghosts and the inquisitor series.
But when it come to HH I dislike more books than I like of his

It's like all his good character work goes to die when he's got to write random ultra marine #4367

I like horus rising.
Legion was mediocre as in I can't remember a single character besides John G who I don't really find interesting anyway.
Prospero burns was completely forgettable
Know no fear was so messy in audio book format I couldn't follow any characters and didn't even know were half the charters were or what they were aiming for or when they got merked

[tall phoenix]

Have you read the finale Siege books yet

[shrewd silo]

I got to book 25 and dropped it like 30% in and just went to 26 and then dropped it to since it was actually awful

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you would not make it through End and the Death

[shrewd silo]

27 is unremembered empire by Dan so I should try it

But I am up to book 5 of dune

[drowsy urchin]

well 25 and 26 are pretty low on the good scale of HH, one being an anthology and second a Salamanders book

[shrewd silo]

Last book I finished was the new GG audio book that was great

Trying shadow sun patient hunter but so far it's kinda meh

Any good words about unremembered empire?

[drowsy urchin]

I really liked it

among the best HH books iirc

[shrewd silo]

That's good will have to pick it up after dune

[unborn merlin]

I like Abnett when he writes about Space Marines, not so much human side characters. With the exception of the novels Horus Rising and Legion, they tend to just be mid.

Sure they’re side characters but Dembski-Bowden excels in that.

I will standby the claim that Know No Fear by Abnett is one of the best HH novels.

[drowsy urchin]

I do agree that Know No Fear is great

[unborn merlin]

Good taste

[plain flint]

there's a scene in blood pact by dan abnett where rawne quite literally uses the terrifying presence perk from fallout

bit of a meme

[quartz narwhal]

I've somehow always skipped Dead Men Walking when reading through my stuff. So today I finished it for a first time read. This is definitely going into my top 5.

[modern kelp]

Hey gang, just got two Audible book credits and was looking to get into some more 40k. Is Our Martyred Lady a good read for a newbie?

[digital saffron]

The Celefax audio drama?

[modern kelp]

Yeah I think so

[modern kelp]

It was like $4 so I went ahead and just bought it and used a credit on Dark Imperium book 1

[tall phoenix]

its not a book but its a pretty great audio drama

not sure if its the best for introductions though

[unborn merlin]

Are you sticking with just 40K novels or HH ones as well?

[modern kelp]

HH is fine too

[shrewd silo]

What's the normal story's you like just in genral?
Like cop shows, action movies, band of brothers war movies, adventure story's, Blackadder or whatever else.

[severe trail]

New necron short story

[drowsy urchin]

afaik that's the Necrons facing LoV short story

finally some LoV stuff

[severe trail]

neat

[unborn merlin]

If you want a good starting point try out The First Heretic by Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

My personal fave.

You can honestly jump around in the HH series since a decent chunk of them are just anthologies or contribute little to the overarching story.

[drowsy urchin]

FYI there's a huge sale going on on Audible, including Warhammer books

-85% on most

[unborn merlin]

That’s a pretty good deal.

[drowsy urchin]

Bought 13 titles, next +110 hours of Warhammer sorted

Still itching for a few though

[jaunty stratus]

• looks at german audible * * gets depression * (even discord bullies me with the signs)

[jaunty stratus]

Which ones did you pick up?

[modern kelp]

Yeah a lot of WH stuff is like 4$ right now lol

[cerulean peak]

Are there Audiobook-exclusive Warhammer novels/novellas/etc?

Everything I own is in paper

And I might be interested in trying audiobooks

[digital saffron]

Yeah

There's audio dramas and stuff that only come in that

Like some horror shorts

[cerulean peak]

What's the go-to app to listen to those?

Audible?

[digital saffron]

Far as I know

[jaunty stratus]

Switched to us audible. Payment is credit card only. Depressed again

[tall phoenix]

Audible is the main go-to yeah

[shrewd silo]

I have bought a bunch of books I listened to that I liked.
But it's kinda to easy to get free audiobooks and $60 is $60

[unborn merlin]

Some of the prices are weird but over all it’s definitely a good sale.

Like some of the Siege books are $15 which isn’t a huge deal since your monthly subscription is that amount with one additional credit and others are under $4.

[drowsy urchin]

~125 hours

[jaunty stratus]

Now that is a haul. Ironically the only books that I would've bought aren't in there with the two bequin books

[wet holly]

Whats everyones opinion on McNeil's works?

[cerulean peak]

I've enjoyed his Iron Warriors books

[mellow knot]

I love Graham’s stuff and always have done.

[unborn merlin]

He has some pretty great traitor legion books.

[unborn merlin]

Nice, was able to bag the rest of the HH novels I needed before moving onto Siege of Terra. Even got the smaller novellas for $2.88. Today’s a good day.

Ended up totaling under $30 for eight titles.

[iron ore]

Graham mcneil is a great author

[tribal ridge]

Listening to brutal kunnin. I'm enjoying it but there's not enough ork for being an ork novel. They seem so much in the background like there will be two to three chapters about the other characters and then one for the orks. I think I'm about half way done with it so maybe I'll like it more by the end

[tall phoenix]

The guy writing it had to grease a lot of palms in Black Library to even get to write the novel, one of the conditions was that he had to include humans in it unfortunately because they said "nobody wants to just read a book with orks."

[frigid osprey]

reading storm of iron sold me on mcneil, that's a really good one

[iron ore]

love his ultramarine books

[unborn merlin]

A Thousand Sons is one of my favorite HH novels, his traitor stuff is consistently great.

[wet holly]

Hell yeah, I am reading his Mechanicus Omnibus rn and the story has sucked me in.
I was always of opinion that 40k is best with stories and not Bolterporn.
Thats why I enjoyed Night Lords and loved watcher in the rain.
I dont care about reading how people get shot 24/7.
I wanna feel the world.
And Mechanicus once more is doing that to me.

[wet holly]

I think you can select in the settinhs for only be shown english titles, because sorry, German is just a big nono for me.
Be it books, movies or games lol

[covert tulip]

What do yall think is the worst 40k Novel

[iron ore]

anything written by CS goto

[cerulean peak]

Worst i've read so far was Indomitus

Had an interesting necron character in it... but the rest of the cast was boring af

[shrewd silo]

Just from what I have heard brutal kunnin is just ok but it was the only ork focused book for a long time.
Should get warboss that books great fun.

I listened to it very memorable

[tribal ridge]

i did ill check it out after brutal kunnin

who likes the last chancers series by gav thrope?

[shrewd silo]

Never been reccomemed them.
Like I didn't even know they existed.

[tribal ridge]

ah i learnd about them yesterday them seem pretty cool. the last chancers are inspired by the movie The Dirty Dozen and its fitting for darktide casue the last chancers are a Penal Legion

[shrewd silo]

Yeah we are just can't act like it

Getting drunk all the time and stealing everything not nailed to the floor to sell

Should ask the devs for a mission hub that's just a pub

Don't need a morningstar

[shy lark]

Going purely by the ones I've read, Wrath of The Lost. It has a few interesting parts but not enough to drag it out of bad territory

[severe trail]

Any of the csgoto books,

By far

[shrewd silo]

Never read any of them but also I mainly go off recommendation from people

Why they so bad?

[digital saffron]

Author isn't great and has a bone to pick with certain factions for whatever reason

[shrewd silo]

Of what I read battle for the abyss was worst but mark of cath and Vulcan lives was dropped.

[shrewd silo]

Is he the one who wrote eldar tanks been killed by human underhivers?

[digital saffron]

By children iirc

[shrewd silo]

Reminds me of that one beast Aries book that had eldar harlequins killing custodes by the dozen while shouting we come in peace.

Just TP in to the most secure place and start murdering everyone then wonder why shit went bad

[covert tulip]

Sounds like they had a lovely time

[severe trail]

Eldar worshipping Slaanesh is a pretty fun one

There's also the classic backflipping terminators

Marines using Multilasers

oh also jump packs when they explode launch you like a looney tunes cartoon

[jaunty stratus]

Depends. Movies mostly, if I'm lazy. Games mostly English. Audiobooks is pretty alright. There's a hit and miss thing going on for both languages, so it's worth looking for both. Translations themselves are pretty good, especially in the newer warhammer books. There was a weird period around the early 2000s where they tried to translate names...
But regarding the sale, it has to be audible.com. Neither Co.uk nor .de have sales, but as I'm doing quite OK in my life without credit card, I don't have one, which seems to be the only payment method in the states, which is a bit weird, but eh, the next humble audio book bundle is just waiting

[shrewd silo]

That just reminds me of the thing Koreans do with manhwa.
They are fan translated for ages then all of a sudden they get officially picked up because they are so popular and every name goes from Jun pak to Steve.
Then you got this really confusing period where you got to figure out who the hell they are talking about until you see them again and can match name to face.

[dull pike]

I want to start learning about the warhammer 40k universe and stories which book should i read first?

[drowsy urchin]

There are some good ones in the pinned messages

[dull pike]

THX

[wide mica]

Recently found a hardcover copy of Honourbound at a pawnshop for £15, major bargain since I've been trying to get my hands on a copy for ages but so far have only seen it on Ebay for like £50

[jaunty stratus]

that variant? looks neat

[wide mica]

Na not the limited edition version sadly, just the standard Hardcover. Finding the Limited edition version for that price would be the Holy Grail

But even the non limited edition version was selling for ridiculous prices online because it's been out of print for a few years

[vital cloak]

I really got to finish this book...

That does look awesome by the way!

[jaunty stratus]

it really does

[hearty niche]

Got my first 40k book. Infinite and the divine

I really like how sassy they are

[iron ore]

Very good book to start with

Mine was wolf blade

[vale wren]

Wolfblade is pretty good too, not sure how it holds up if you haven't read the previous ones

[iron ore]

I was like 7 so it was a solid read

[orchid herald]

the issue with GW Books serries wirrten by Multiple Authoeris is there Very little Consistancy I tried to read throught the HH novel serries and couldn't keep up with realses but also the Books wavered in Writting Quaility Dramatically, I then just went with my Preferred Chapters, and Primarchs Nvoels instead. also the Assassins One (soulless?) the One with the Cellexus Assassin on the cover. but even into Mordern 40k, I Start reading serries doen by a Single Author even the Universe that some Create a bit Setchy like the Short story anotholgy of Abbentt the sabbat Worlds book the Differencing in Power level, and what Contributes and Conflicts is ust out their, like How strong the Tribes Men are in the Fact they can Take down Aircraft, when they have had none of that Capability or with the Blood Blues the Book (Forget tidle) but how that Functions in temrs of Class system and Raising above the Classes when it was shown in abbentt's work it was a Strict Class Based society and only the Nboels would serve in the regiment no ower Classes would be allowed, or the Roane Deeper, them Vs Deamon engines 5 peopel vs a platoon isn't Fessible. that and mathew wards Wirtting Cannon are y 2 Biggest Prolbems with GW/BL books

[iron ore]

Guy took an ambien and wrote that shit out

[tall phoenix]

the fans basically huff copium saying having so many writers for the setting is a good thing but its long-term lasting effects are usually very bad lmao

[digital saffron]

Aside from the odd grammar and unneeded Matt Ward dig that's pretty correct

[tall phoenix]

[frank mirage]

can black library please start printing books for once :(

im trying to get both twice dead king books but they are out of stock everywhere except for the german version :(

[wet holly]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Nate-Crowley/dp/1800261896/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

lists as 12 bucks on paperback for me.

Reign is not available.

[iron ore]

E books are always in print and priced at retail

[frank mirage]

oh i checked like 2 hours ago and it said not available

how rude of amazon

[orchid herald]

i think we can agree to disagree what he did with 40k, ranging from the Ultramine Fanboying too a Nercon point an Double click to Blow up Star system really does kind of Break the Cannon that was their.

[digital saffron]

Ultramarine fanboying in a supplement that got yoinked into a codex
And laying the foundations for a more interesting necron faction

[orchid herald]

https://tenor.com/view/babylon5-mollari-agree-gif-18997754

[frigid osprey]

Yet everyone who worked with Mat Ward has only good things to say about him.
And most people complaining about him years and years later, they weren't even in the hobby at the time anyway!!!

So maybe just ease off

It's the shittiest meme in the whole of warhammer

[tall phoenix]

He still gets harrased to this day btw.

Even tho hes the guy behind the plot of stuff like Vermintide 1 and 2 and its characters that everyone adores lol

[severe trail]

Um akshully he only did dialogue for Baradin and Kerellian in 1 🤓

It was in 2 he did dialogue for the 5 as a whole

[tall phoenix]

[kind peak]

The only thing I ever heard of Matt Ward was the grey Knights vs Sororitas memes of wearing the gals as a hat.

Otherwise, just the hate of course.

I really dislike the story idea of Grey Knights at all, but that meme did leave me with a bad taste xD

[forest spruce]

Didnt matt make trayzen?

[severe trail]

he made all the tabletop necron named characters

[forest spruce]

Then regardless if he did make all the ultrawank and grimderp then he is forgiven in my eyes. Cause the necrons are great

[supple valve]

Just got forges of mars

[dark bronze]

Nice, in what format?

[dark bronze]

my friend had a theory that Black Library is a demonic entity that feeds off the hatred and distress of its customers I am beginning to believe he's right...

I purchased the There Is Only War omnibus, as well as the first 3 boks in the Cadia series, and the price variation and presumed quality of the books is questionable at best.
I don't see why BL simply prints books (regularly, like a real company), and then sells them. Surely there is no shortage of people willing to buy them?

[drowsy urchin]

they print them in china and shipping from there is very expensive nowadays

so the amount of books they can print at one given time is pretty limited

and new stuff is always preferred of course

[dark bronze]

yeah, but all things considered they could sell at silly prices (would still be better than the current market) and it'd remain worth

or they could just not print in china as opposed to having a printing center in the US and one in Europe

[drowsy urchin]

that just isn't good business, they'd still have to put a lot of money in to get them printed without any guarantee that people would buy the overpriced books

to match demand they'd probably need to outsource it entirely from black library

[dark bronze]

would that be so bad? what has BL brought that anyone else couldn't do, and perhaps better?

[drowsy urchin]

well it's cheaper for one to keep it mostly in-house

[smoky bronze]

I was thinking about reading the abnett inquisitor books for the first time in like a decade

And i went "i bought the first two omnibusses 10 years ago surely the bequin trilogy is done"

How many plotlines do they have dan working on goddamn

[tall phoenix]

Its mostly due to how busy he is with other novels he writes that are non-40k too

Bequin 3 is prob his target after Death and the Meme Vol3 is done

[smoky bronze]

His output volume is incredible but its spread so wide lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats how he is sadly lmao

[iron ore]

get a new factory in a country with labor laws

That is EXPENSIVE

Thank goodness for the kindle

[dark bronze]

yes I'd much rather pay 100+ bucks for a well-worn copy of a book, than order a new one for like 50 bucks

[dark bronze]

I have no affiliation with the mechanicum, so I prefer physical books that don't require any power except candlelight or daylight to "run"

[iron ore]

Everyone has their preferences!

[dark bronze]

Indeed, which is why I want my preference to be catered to as well lol

[iron ore]

Of course, I was the same way

was basically forced to adapt to e reader with the price gouging and scarcity of books

now I only like reading on my kindle 😭

[dark bronze]

Furthermore, I never wanna switch from manual driving to an automatic So believe me, it's just me being problematic

[shrewd silo]

I said that then I got a job and live in a city with some of the worst traffic I in the world

[dark bronze]

As do I (both parts), it was just to get across my point that I prefer my own ways even when they're not optimal or the path of least resistance

[tribal ridge]

listening to warboss and it what i wish burtal kunnin was

[shy lark]

I've read Dead Men Walking again for the first time since 2013 and I gotta say it holds up

[drowsy urchin]

Finished Huron Blackheart: Master of the Maelstrom, it was pretty decent

I kinda expected it to be something else than just "Huron and friends go for a treasure hunt at halfway point of the book"

[mellow knot]

Dear Ol’ Slobberchops. I had so much fun writing him.

[static star]

Has anyone read: Honourbound by Rachel Harrison, Book of Martys by Danie Ware, Alec Worley, and Phil Kelly , Pilgrims of Fire by Justin D Hill? Reviews and are they worth the read?

[wide mica]

I have Honourbound and Pilgrims of Fire, they're currently on my list, once I'm done with my current book I'm moving onto Honourbound, so I'll give you an update then. But I have read Book of the Martyrs and I enjoyed it. The three short stories are all pretty different from eachother in both themes and style and I really liked all three of them, although the third story by Danie Ware was my least favourite but that's not because the story was bad, it was probably the one with the most potential, I just feel like the story it was trying to tell didn't fit great with the Short Story format and needed more time to explore itself.

[tawdry robin]

Whats the recommended app/site to listen to warhammer 40k audiobooks?

[drowsy urchin]

Audible pretty much

I hate using Amazon products but it's just the best one for audiobooks

also most other services don't have warhammer

[tawdry robin]

Aah, alright thank you, it was just like I thought then

[valid jay]

Are there any 40k horror novels?

[drowsy urchin]

Ye a few

They're called Warhammer Horror believe it or not

[static star]

Thanks

[orchid herald]

Honour bounds great i want them to do a full trillogy for the book.

[west raptor]

I'm trying to get my grubby hands on the heresy a box set on Amazon has 1-12 are all 56 compressed into them or is it something else

[iron ore]

physical copies of all the horus heresy books?

most of them are out of print so that would be extraordinarily expensive

[tall phoenix]

^

If you didnt start collecting from like 2005 its virtually impossible

you basically need to be like a rich person to order most of them and pray the outdated ones arent damaged etc

[west raptor]

Fuck

[iron ore]

I've got like 15 of them and two of them and some are worth hundreds

[wide mica]

I imagine that at some point after the End and the Death pt3 they'll run a series of Omnibus' books for HH

[iron ore]

That would be sick

The first 3 books (and maybe flight) should be compiled into an omnibus

[orchid herald]

You likely to get a rerun of them every decade or so. With aniversery eddition for them too thown in like 20 year anniversary in 2025. For the firsr one.

[unborn merlin]

Yeah, David Annandale is a prominent Warhammer horror writer.

His stuff can be hit and miss tho.

[neat saddle]

Looking for any good audiobook(s) that focus on either the salamanders or officio assassinorum

[severe trail]

Assassinorum Kingmaker

has an audiobook

[valid jay]

What's the consensus on the good oneS?

[unborn merlin]

I personally like Damnation of Pythos and Ruinstorm (both are HH novels).

I'm not super versed in his stuff if I'll be honest.

I heard some good things about Lemartes: Guardian of the Lost and the Castellan Crowe series.

Mostly remember his cosmic horror stuff in Pythos and Ruinstorm to be a breath of fresh air when I was marathoing the HH books.

||We all need more Madail in our lives.||

[lavish badger]

How good is " Renegades: Harrowmaster" by Mike Brooks? Much bolter porn? I read a few of his other, non Space Marine, books, and liked them.

[digital saffron]

I've heard mostly good about it

Nice little look into the modern alpha legion

[lavish badger]

Thank you 🙂

[smoky bronze]

dug some of my 40k books out, gonna start with eisenhorn and ravenor before considering gaunt's ghosts

but first i gotta go actually check what happened to the lizardmen in age of sigmar

[tall phoenix]

Hold on homie i got you

https://youtu.be/DH35aStgoeU

[smoky bronze]

does this start with AoS because i also want to know what they were up to during the endtimes (i never really knew fantasy lore even years ago)

[tall phoenix]

Oh man the End Times stuff is VERY basic

they literally do fuck-all and defend Lustria before the Skaven ahem

accidentally blow up a chunk of the moon

It starts heading for Lustria and Mazdamundi manages to stave off the oncoming rock chunks but wears himself out and dies as the Slann/Lizardmen load up on spaceships and fuck off.

Thats it.

Thats their entire devotion in the end times lol

[smoky bronze]

did they just have the spaceships left over from when the old ones were around?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah pretty much. The reveal is that the temples or a majority of them were just spaceships.

[smoky bronze]

that's insanely funny actually

[tall phoenix]

Yeah they did the smartest thing in the End Times

"Oh shit the world is ending. Bye."

[smoky bronze]

ancient temples being spaceships has been super funny to me since at least stargate

[tall phoenix]

History Channel was right!!!!111!

[smoky bronze]

that was always a part of warhammer fantasy i liked, that it literally was just ancient aliens

[drowsy urchin]

History channel be like: "white man could do this so it was aliens "

[tall phoenix]

LMFAO

[smoky bronze]

have you ever heard of tartaria theory

[tall phoenix]

I have.

Its insane.

[smoky bronze]

its like reverse ancient aliens i love it

if ancient aliens is "only white people can build megastructures" tartaria is "no way white people can build megastructures" except its also like... pretty reasonable and relatively recent structures half the time

[tall phoenix]

A shocking revelation to most people that see that stuff I'm sure 💀

but yeah thats basically the Lizardmen, hope it helps

Pancreas does a good explanation on his own parts

[smoky bronze]

wait but the whole end times were even predicted by the lizardmen werent they?

good lord GW

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its fucking CRAP

[smoky bronze]

you'd think the whole prophecy of sotek and the twin tailed comet would mean the lizardmen would... be important...

[tall phoenix]

the reveal was that the Old World as a planet and its fate was to be always destroyed by chaos in a repeated cycle

dumb ladies like Alarielle even in AoS still say this might be the case right

so Sigmar just goes

"That might be so but I'm not gonna fucking allow it."

[smoky bronze]

based indominable human spirit moment

[tall phoenix]

100%, this is why Sigmar is a gigachad both in Warhammer Fantasy and AoS, his character development is phenomenal.

[smoky bronze]

i dont generally care for the WHF setting because i like other similar ones better

but sigmar is dope

[tall phoenix]

Yeah WHF is a cool setting but i dont exactly miss it, it was good for what it was and the major characters are still alive and continuing the narrative from AOS.

it also helps that the main human faction in it arent nazis lol

[smoky bronze]

i still need to learn about AOS. i know sigmar and nagash are gods and are now hashing it out with chaos and each other while gork and mork sometimes come in with the steel chair

[tall phoenix]

If I had to describe it, its basically He-Man / Conan but Rated R

[smoky bronze]

that's fun

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its a very cool setting, not super for me but its great

[smoky bronze]

i only have space in my brain for one fantasy setting's expanded lore and that goes to the forgotten realms

[tall phoenix]

Entirely fair

AoS is kinda similiar in that regard.

[smoky bronze]

which is not a spectacular setting but i do spend a LOT of time RPing in it

kitchen sink fantasy is kitchen sink fantasy

AoS probably actually has more like... coherent spice to it if you know what im saying

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats basically what AoS is but on an ironically more small scale.

[smoky bronze]

but FR lore is actually useful for me to know

i mentioned it a while ago and someone tried to gotcha me with Kara-Tur... but i know about the Lung Dragons... i know too much

this is completely unrelated to 40k but my favorite bit of lore from forgotten realms is you cant see the real moon

there's an illusory moon that hovers a mile above the real moon hiding its INHABITED SURFACE

[tall phoenix]

[smoky bronze]

there's secret moon people

[tall phoenix]

Thats some elder scrolls shit

[smoky bronze]

the Spelljammer generation of the setting was fucking crazy lol

it also has my favorite D&D character

he's a lawful good beholder named Large Luigi that runs a bar on an asteroid

[tall phoenix]

god 💀

tho as a Mario enjoyer i approve also

[smoky bronze]

he climbed a spire that maybe granted him the knowledge of the cosmos

who knows

[tall phoenix]

Entirely based

also actually hold on I gotta also post this writeup i did for you that I forgot from a few minutes ago

[smoky bronze]

forgotten realms has the exact same thing as 40k where the lore was written by 100 people over 40 years

im glad that baldurs gate 3 taught people about how mind flayers fly around in giant magic space snails

they're actually nautiluses and they look sick but that's not as funny

[tall phoenix]

If I had to do a short intro:

When the End Times came Sigmar came back to lead humanity but Archaon and the Chaos Gods managed to destroy the world, Sigmar was left floating in space hugging the literal core of the world he failed before a magic space dragon found him and showed him the 9 Mortal Realms formed from the winds of magic which is where AoS takes place, Chaos came there too and almost destroyed everything in an apocalyptic invasion.

But Sigmar now a god locked himself into the realm of Azyr as billions died to the onslaught, eventually he revealed that he forged the Stormcast Eternals made from the souls of every person he deemed a fallen valiant hero and with the teamwork of other "good" gods of Order like Alarielle for the Wood Elves, Teclis and Tyrion for High Elves, Grungi for the Dwarves, Malekith and Morathi for the Dark Elves, etc etc; he took to liberate the realms from chaos, some mishaps happened and Order became a bit shaky alliances wise but they still work together and are trying to rid the realms of chaos forever, that current era is the titular Age of Sigmar.

its VERY Forgotten Realms, just more Warhammer lol

Oh yeah he also worked with Nagash but he didn't like him too much because hes a dipshit and they broke off, Nagash in revenge now steals a sliver of every Stormcasts souls when their souls go back to Sigmar in Azyr to be resurrected.

[smoky bronze]

forgotten realms has some differences that basically amount to "it was designed for TTRPG" vs WHF AOS "designed for a wargame" stuff

[tall phoenix]

Yeee exactly

hence my "just more warhammer" bit

[smoky bronze]

forgotten realms is inherently like... passive

nothing besides the current adventure is happening "NOW"

big things happen in the past

[tall phoenix]

Yeah AoS has an ongoing "major" plot but its nothing earth-shattering like most major events in 40k, also every faction actually gets equal attention compared to 40k where its nothing but space marine wankfest lol

the lore is equally as funny/morbid, like how Nagash turns the souls of people who were doctors in a past life into wraiths who love to torture/torment people for this army

[smoky bronze]

40k could be so good if it weren't for its fans

[tall phoenix]

Entirely true

AoS also has like... a lot more openness? Its very beginner friendly and has no fascists.

[smoky bronze]

is Ian M Banks still alive they should get him to write the greatest black library book ever

[tall phoenix]

[smoky bronze]

he's not 😢

[tall phoenix]

But alright with that im gonna go crash, was happy to lore dump what I know about AoS from scratch-bits.

[smoky bronze]

good night

im going to crack my eisenhorn omnibus

well creased spine

[tall phoenix]

🙏

[smoky bronze]

actually my eisenhorn is in really good condition? but ravenor...

Some of the best book art, at least for 40k

[wise yew]

yo rogue trader is out now

shit i thought this was lore

[jaunty stratus]

Vintage

Ironically the side looks quite cool, if you don't know what you are looking at, at first glance

[unborn merlin]

Damn that looks pretty dope.

[solid spade]

Best necron books?

[drowsy urchin]

Twice Dead King, The Infinite and The Divine

soo all of them

not too many of those around but those that we have are great

[solid spade]

There's only three necron books?

I was under the impression that because they're an old faction that they'd have at least ten books on them.

[drowsy urchin]

Pretty much, they're old but none really wrote proper stories from their perspective before

There are a couple novellas, like War in the Museum

Also not that old

[solid spade]

Meanwhile: the Horus Heresy alone...

[drowsy urchin]

It also has a dozen writers

Necrons have had two

Maybe three

But given how popular the ones we've had now, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a couple more pop up soon

[solid spade]

Which necron character do you figure is most likely to get a book next?

[drowsy urchin]

If not none of the ones who already have one I'd recon Szeras tbh

Or Imotekh

[unborn merlin]

A Imotekh story would be dope.

[wet holly]

I reeeeallly want a Schola Progenium book thats made up like Promised Neverland.
God the potential

[valid jay]

Just finished "for the emperor" easily my favorite warhammer book so far

I love how Caine is an absolute goober that falls face first into praise and victory consistently

Also the fact that Jurgen is ||not only physically repulsive but mentally repulsive is hilarious to me||

[wet holly]

I am also looking forward to read that, currently enjoyimg Forges of Mars and slogging through Word Bearers.
Tho I think nothing will ever beat Night Lords and Watcher in the rain, if audios count

[boreal spear]

||it's speculated that they are one in the same, a manifestation of his pariah gene.||

The Eisenhorn books are also amazing. I think the third one kinda got away from him, but the first one is an absolute masterpiece for sure

[wide mica]

They just announced an new Ork book from the guy who wrote Brutal Kunnin', about an Ork Waagh invading Commorragh

Morvenn Vahl vs Nightlords

[tribal ridge]

https://youtu.be/kA3m7nJfID0?si=eHj49qGDTh35gcwv

[main palm]

where is good place to buy the books? preverably digital copies

[digital saffron]

The Black library

https://www.blacklibrary.com/

Also Amazon

Humble bundle has deals on them a lot

[main palm]

Thanks

[valid jay]

Lmao poor Jurgen

The warp said "sorry kid, I burden you with being stinky eternally"

[smoky bronze]

Alternative explanation: everyone in the guard is actually smelly and they have a passive psychic effect that makes you ignore it

One of the odder parts of eisenhorn is that bequin is basically undetectable unless its convenient to be otherwise

Probably just abnettverse stuff

[boreal spear]

I believe he handwaived it as "She makes you feel uneasy, and it gets stronger the more you're around her" because it's mentioned she moves around a lot since nobody wants her long term

[boreal spear]

Hey the benefits of that are pretty damn good tho

[smoky bronze]

Sure but you couldnt see jurgen getting work as a prostitute could you

[boreal spear]

I mean the gene is known to manifest in different ways

[smoky bronze]

Related, presumably a lot of inquisitors are schola graduates and stuff, but based on the books you'd think they're all from street rat backgrounds of one kind or another

[boreal spear]

Aren't some people insane and others really ugly for example

[boreal spear]

Something something rank 30 cutscene :p

[smoky bronze]

Yeah but she seems to have only gotten "mildly offputting" despite being pretty powerful for a null

[smoky bronze]

The rejects arent on the inquisitorial path lol, but zola is an example

[digital saffron]

Most schola graduates are also orphans

[boreal spear]

Doesn't he explicitly say "welcome to the inquisition?"

[smoky bronze]

Rannick is a ghost ship survivor which is kinda like being a street rat

[digital saffron]

Don't you mean Morrow?

[smoky bronze]

You're in the warband as a member of the retinue

Is morrow the one they found on a transport alone?

[digital saffron]

Yes

[boreal spear]

I thought we were in the warband from the start? And reaching 30 made us an acolyte

[smoky bronze]

I got it mixed up with rannick spending a long time caught in the warp

[digital saffron]

Also we're acolytes by the end, so gutter rats, but still part, of the inquisition

[smoky bronze]

Im pretty sure we're more like fischig and co from eisenhorn

We're in the inquisition but we're not in the pipeline to earn a rosette we're just employees

[digital saffron]

More or less

I mean we could potentially rise

But that'd be a good bit from now

[smoky bronze]

I wonder how many actual apprentices grendyl has

It could just be the two but i bet there's more

[boreal spear]

In-game it's just Rannick and Zola as direct named members right

Everyone else is an acolyte or part of the ship's company?

[smoky bronze]

Yeah but grendyl has other projects afoot

[digital saffron]

He probably has boatloads of agents and interrogators under him considering he's a Lord Inquisitor with pull enough to sway a rogue trader

[boreal spear]

Didn't Eisenhorn pull a rogue trader too

[smoky bronze]

With their attrition rate i think basically every inquisitor would have a handful of apprentices

[boreal spear]

Or was he was happy to help from the start

[smoky bronze]

Working with rogue traders is complicated

Even a lord inquisitor can't command a rogue trader per se (but if you refuse to help one fight heresy they might well declare you a heretic)

[boreal spear]

To quote The Traitors Hand, "His loyalty couldn't be bought for any price, but it could be rented rather cheaply"

[hearty niche]

It wasn't forced.

[unborn merlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/robwritespulp/status/1733607953914384404?s=46&t=DV907gvPq84XlYhjgn2pqA

[sly bolt]

any good astra militarum books

[orchid herald]

nope

[vale wren]

The Cain series and the Gaunt series

But really just go to the pinned message

[iron ore]

Ciaphas cain books
Gaunt's Ghosts books
Steel Tread
Cadian Blood
Fifteen Hours

Ciaphas being my personal favorite

[wet holly]

Got Longshot on my backlog.
Seems to be like an American Sniper meets 40k kind of thing.
Heard some decent things about it

[iron ore]

American Sniper meets 40k is killing me

[wet holly]

Exactly why I said it

[hearty niche]

Ghosts if you want a more serious IG series

Ciaphas if you like some humor with your grimdark

[orchid herald]

Longahot avarage it along with steel tread or starken. Nothing to special just a repat story of guard.

[shrewd silo]

I feel like Ciaphas is very hit and miss for me.

Like the one he retakes the planet from orks.
Building a rebel army in the back line out of survivors and his reputation when all he really wanted was more bodys between him and the orks.

Probably the best cain book for me

Then the worst is the one he jumps on a space marine ship and fucks some planetary govners daughter

Just kinda boring the whole way.

[loud bramble]

Finished Fall of Cadia. Pretty good listen overall. Debating whether to listen to Infinite and Divine or Cadia Stands next.

[vale wren]

"smartly dressed" I can already picture a bunch of butlers in dinner jackets strolling around the ship "Would you like a bolter shell, sire?"

And theres like a bolter mag on a tray under a hemispherical cover that they hold with one hand

[hearty niche]

Man

Necrons are hilarious

Really liking this infinite and the divine book

[sturdy isle]

In playing this game and seeing a daemon host, I have gotten a better idea of what Cherubael from the Eisenhorn books would look like, but green

[sturdy isle]

The contrast between the souless metal killing machines wielding hyper advanced tech kill everything and then reading about 2 old men in a feud that just happen to be in terminator bodies fucking eachother over is great

I loved the part where the book just says "Would this fight have taken place in the flesh times, it would be a hilarious sight watching two scrawny, underdeveloped even by Necrontyr standards shut ins try to fight each other"

[iron ore]

He had a model you can reference as well

[spiral cloud]

Got some new books today

[iron ore]

some of my faves

[spiral cloud]

I was told to get them as a good starting point (plus I love how warhammer has amazing character that aren't just "big boy space marine").

[iron ore]

I would start with hero of the imperium then do eisenhorn after so you have some setting established before getting thrown into confusion

[spiral cloud]

I know abit about the lore but cain and eisenhorn always seemed to miss past me

[iron ore]

Ciaphas cain is a very funny character where eisenhorn is brooding and dark

[spiral cloud]

Mhm

Plus, I wanted to learn about cain because of well...

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/ciaphas-cain-warhammer40k-gif-24974202

[spiral cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/ciaphas-cain-warhammer40k-gif-24974202

Yep, forgot how to type his first name

[plain flint]

Finally completed the Gaunt's Ghosts collection :)

[burnt ridge]

Just finished the newest Dawn of Fire book.... ||anyone else feel like the series has kinda lost the plot? The Martyr's Tomb ends with the discovery of a navigable pass through the Cicatrix Maledictum, and suddenyl the next book wants to focus on a push towards the Eye of Terror, or at least that's what it sells itself as "Fleet Secundus marches toward the Eye of Terror, ready to strike at the heart of the Archenemy. However, a battle for survival awaits as the greater schemes of the Indomitus Crusade descend into treachery and intrigue."

But then you read it and it quickly becomes a haunted ship tale reminscent of Event Horizon. It's not a bad book mind you, but it's a sharp segue, outside of a couple vague name drops and the epilogue there's no ties to characters in other books, and doesn't seem to add much to the overall lore of the Indomitus Crusade besides saying "Oh and Fleet Secundus got donkey punched in their staging area and a large swathe were destroyed". There's only a couple books left so I hope they tie it all back together somehow, I hope we see the Knights of Kamidar get their revenge on the archenemy, we actually see whatever Vitrian Messinius will someday call "The day the Imperium died", maybe see the three separate fucking Black Templar groups in three sequential books come together, etc.

I think most of the books have been good on their own but I just wish there was more tying them together, how do others feel about the series?||

[zinc crystal]

black templars do be all over the place

[burnt ridge]

yea but they were in Book 4, 5, and 6 in a row, each a different grouop within the chapter

[burnt ridge]

tbh to redeem itself I think Dawn of Fire needs to end with || Rogal Dorn returning, marshalling the Fists and Templars, and launching a civil war against Roboute Guilliman, would help tie lots of bits together.|| Also I may be completely wrong.... but I think ||Tenebruh and his soul cannon from Gate of Bones is gonna succeed in killing Big E, but Mordian Guard Scout Kesh is revealed to be Big E reborn and she takes the throne, or at least people think she should take the throne, and is able to rally much of the Imperium. Perhaps Dorn leads a fatalist "Well the Emperor is dead, let's take out as many of the arch enemy as we can" final crusade while Roboute and Lion back the New E for stability.|| but I'm just adlibbing

[tall phoenix]

Not happening.

Fulgrim is gonna get released first

Russ is the most likely to come back miniature sales wise after Fulgrim gets released with the Emperor's Children army, books don't matter regarding that.

[wide mica]

Yea the books didn't really start to suggest the Lion was coming back until everyone already knew the Lion was coming back

[tall phoenix]

^

[burnt ridge]

I still think they're gonna ||Kill off Big E||

[digital saffron]

I wish they'd kill me off

[forest spruce]

Listening to genefather and something called modis unbecoming is mentioned. What is it.

[wide mica]

Modis or Modus?

Because Modus Unbecoming is to do with the Men of Iron I think

Wait no, it's just a phrase used in the book Man of Iron

"MODUS UNBECOMING, they said. DEVIANT THOUGHT FORMATION. NARCISSISTIC DATA PATTERNING. OVERLYACQUISITIVE HABITS."

[forest spruce]

In context its said like its a charge of heresy

[wide mica]

I think it just means an inappropriate way of doing things

Or inappropriate way of aquiring things

[forest spruce]

Ok

[digital saffron]

It's not a fitting way of thinking/operating

[wide mica]

Because "modus operandi" means the paticular way of doing things

[digital saffron]

Aka "u work wrong"

[wide mica]

So I assume Modus unbecoming is the inverse

[digital saffron]

It's probably Admech for "wrong think" too

[forest spruce]

Given the context of this book, yeah

[iron ore]

Damn I should buy the Lion model

[drowsy urchin]

Which one

because the HH one is amazing

but the 40k one is great as well

[iron ore]

por que no los dos

[drowsy urchin]

quite

[orchid herald]

Give me corax

[humble parcel]

Anyone know where to get Cain's Second Omnibus for cheaper than....my monthly food (me lol) budget

addendum: Looked up Ciphas' name. L. O. L

[vale wren]

The ebook is pretty cheap

Or if you really want the print, you can try ebay

[unborn merlin]

Good luck on EBay.

🫡

[vale wren]

In the UK there's a total of two (2) going for about 50 pounds

Which is less than amazons ~270

Or, you know, just rule 8

[hearty niche]

Man, the last church is really good

The tts video summed it up pretty good though before I went in

||“He was just an tired and lonely and above all else harmless old man sitting in his church and the emperor only showed up to have a heated argument with him”||

Which I thought was pretty fair

[neat saddle]

Looking for audiobooks that focus on the sisters of silence, salamanders, or an aspirant's path to becoming astartes (assuming a book exists)

[vale wren]

For the last one, Space Wolf is basically entirely about that

Believe it or not its about a space wolf, and they got a quite peculiar way, but it's cool nonetheless

[orchid herald]

Idk if lukas is on audio book but that is a really good one for the last one.

[old slate]

Just finished Eisenhorn: Hereticus, now debating on doing the 4th book or starting Gaunts ghosts

What would you lot do

[swift yarrow]

Read the 4th book, then read the Bequin novels.

Then read Ghosts, because that journey is a long one.

[old slate]

Havent really looked into the Bequin or Ravenor books for that matter, how do they sit chronologically with the main trilogy?

[smoky sable]

Chronologically the The Magos, would go after the Ravenor books.

[smoky sable]

So 1. Eisenhorn trilogy 2. Ravenor trilogy 3. The Magos(4th eisenhorn book) 4. Bequin books

[swift yarrow]

^

I forgot about Ravenor, he's a good character but Eisenhorn and Bequin shine much brighter.

[smoky sable]

Agreed, some of my favorite characters from the series are from his books tho.

[old slate]

Ait imma take a look

Thanks!

[smoky bronze]

i like ravenor but yes he's kind of like... Eisenhorn 2

the idea of an inquisitor who's a psychic dalek is very fun though

[shrewd silo]

Eisenhorn and bequin get books almost entirely focused on the pov of them.
Ravanor get books written more like gaunts ghosts and you follow the entire hit squad around from the pov of everyone.

Also ravanors one thirsty fucker

[proper solar]

Anyone know any good admech books to read?

[tall phoenix]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Forge_of_Mars_(Novel_Series)

Probably THE best.

And if you want something more modern

[proper solar]

thank you, I appreciate it

[tall phoenix]

[tribal ridge]

Listing to Eisenhorn book one currently pretty interesting I do like this more grounded detective writing for the 40K universe alot could easily be a show if the rumor is true that the Henry cavill show is an adoption or something like a point and click telltale adventure game

[unborn merlin]

Personally I really dug this one.

Also have a crush on Koriel Zeth 👉👈

[fickle falcon]

Besides the forges of Mars series (which I really enjoyed) and mechanicum, Skitarius and tech-priest are nice 2. The great work was nice but lost interest a few times and took a few breaks.

[coarse venture]

What's a good book or series to start with if I already really like the lore/ setting?

[cedar surge]

There's some stuff pinned in this channel

[tall phoenix]

Yeah we got an entire list in the pinned links, take a look there

[limber locust]

Where are those pinned links ? 😅

[round pebble]

I just finished Genefather had alot of fun reading that one

[graceful osprey]

depends if you're on desktop or mobile

[tall phoenix]

Hell yeah ❤️

[graceful osprey]

desktop its the little pin button on the top right

https://i.imgur.com/DLVLidP.png

mobile you click the channel name at the top, and it will bring up a menu. one of the options is pins

#40k-book-club message

^ that's the pinned message

[tall phoenix]

Hold on lemme just get the link for em

https://pyroriffic.wordpress.com/warhammer-40k-reading-starter-list/

[limber locust]

Ty so much 😇

[tall phoenix]

[round pebble]

My collection so far

[frigid osprey]

Titanicus never gets a mention but it rocks and it's very admech

[tall phoenix]

Look its not my fault its so out there

[orchid herald]

reading Void-master, and i finding it kind of Bland, but the Compact that is in it, i don't think it really exist since it only has like 6 rouge trader-families. ratherr then the hundreads that exist. the basic question is why those it exist for them and not other rouge trader and what are the rammification for those not part of it? as the orginal warrant of trade basically is a that of a privateer.

[tribal ridge]

oh really i was looking forward to that one cause i want a good rogue trader story

[limber locust]

Just grabbed the Dark imperium book for a first read !

[tall phoenix]

its a good series

expect lots of blue and disease

[limber locust]

well i wanted to start with the horus heresy but its not available anywhere atm and with holidays coming i needed some to read so i hope this one will do !

[tall phoenix]

Its a very "basic" trilogy by 40k standards but you should prob like it

[shrewd silo]

I kinda liked it kinda didn't at a lot of points.
If you like action it's pretty good since it's got tons

[orchid herald]

Reaf it see if you like it i am finsing it bland not up with the last chancers or starken level of narrative. I jope it has a bigger pay off at the end of it

[mellow knot]

Give me your one line summary and I’ll add it to the reading list!

[frigid osprey]

Hell yes I will do this evening!

[plain flint]

i'm reaching the end of gaunt's ghosts. been a long journey full of emotion, but im also kinda glad i can start on something new. any recommendations for what series to read next?

[tribal ridge]

did you read the spin offs like double eagle?

[plain flint]

no, but i might in the future

[tribal ridge]

The Beast Arises? other guardsmen novels?

[plain flint]

im looking to branch off a little, explore something more

guard novels are great and all but i do need a break from it i think

[tribal ridge]

horus heresy?

[plain flint]

im on book 12 lol

[tall phoenix]

Do not read the entire series

[plain flint]

i think we've already discussed this

and unfortunately, i will

[frigid osprey]

@mellow knot
Titanicus by Dan Abnett - All-out war comes to a forge world. In this standalone 40k book you get a great look at what life is like under the Adeptus Mechanicus, featuring plenty of god engines & their princeps, tech-priest bickering and Abnett's version of bizarre skitarii tech-guard. The titan combat is the main draw, but this novel also does a great job of making the AdMech a richer, more interesting faction.

[mellow knot]

Added to the list!

[frigid osprey]

legend 🙏

cheers!

[mellow knot]

Most welcome. 🙂

[forest spruce]

Most sane horus heresey fan

[tall phoenix]

My man is long gone

📚📚

[unborn merlin]

It was nice knowing them. They’ll be reading HH anthologies until the day they die.

[mint fable]

Are there any books that are mainly about the harlequins, solitaires, or ceogorach? Plz tag or dm

[tall phoenix]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/masque-of-vyle-ebook.html

Pretty much just this

also Heirs of the Laughing God audio drama

otherwise Harlequins are usually side-characters in Eldar stories

[mint fable]

Thx

[tall phoenix]

[uncut relic]

I'm going to be adding an info panel to promote the book club on some live media. Is there any key information that you like to be promoted?

[valid jay]

If I want to get into flesh tearers what are the books I need to read?

[orchid herald]

I have Chnaged My View of Void King it actually Quite a Interesting ending now. and it makes up for it beoring bits quite well

[topaz plinth]

im reading dark imperium atm should i be concerned that bolus is chanting 49 over and over you know as it is 7 x 7

and he got spooned by a death guard in the trench

[topaz plinth]

havent read it myself but saw a book called wrath of the lost about flesh tearers

[tribal ridge]

ah ok

[wet holly]

I am currently 200 pages into the WB omnibus, and whilst I dont think the book itself is outstanding in any way, it honestly made the Word Bearers go from boring to super interesting to me.
Its funny how almosg cartoonishly evil they are lol

[copper seal]

Hello! Do we have a list of recommended reading for a 40k noob?

[cerulean peak]

There's a link with a starter reading list in the pinned messages

[cerulean peak]

Poor Bolus... on a side note, I found the guardsmen story arc in the book quite enjoyable

[copper seal]

Nice, I'm gonna check it 🙏

[topaz plinth]

He's pretty badass still he just point blank executed a death guard plague marine

[gleaming frost]

Never really read books like at all but I just picked up the infinite and the divine

[topaz hill]

Timeline wise, which book is the latest in 40k? Is it godblight?

[wet holly]

Id say Genestealer?

not genestealer, sorry am dumb, genefather.

[topaz hill]

Is the lion book before or after dark imperium?

Thank you btw, I will pick it up

[humble parcel]

i asked this b4 but no traction. Figure im refrying dinner might as well try once more. cant find ciphas 2nd omni lower than 120$. Am i just a ..... "late bloomer"

or is it literally worth it

[tall phoenix]

jesus

i mean if you got a lot of money sure but if you dont prob not

that is goddamn expensive

[humble parcel]

knowledge of the ancient scrolls is priceless friend

[tall phoenix]

In that case you know the monetary risks, go with it if you must comrade

[humble parcel]

.......im looking at a weeks worth of groceries for a book about zapp brannigan

aye ave sister good save

[smoky bronze]

For $120 you could buy a kindle lol

[orchid herald]

Try secound hand book shops and fairs i found several coppies there threw the years.

[orchid herald]

Its after. It set during the 9th to 10th transition serries

[humble parcel]

tysm.

[kindred tendon]

I need a book that shows how evil the imperium of man is. I have heard of course that they arent the good guys, but id like a story where it goes into just how dark and miserable it is to live under, or how horribly they treat innocent races or people

[tall phoenix]

Just some examples, but the Imperium is shown to be awful in almost every Imperial book, these ones just take a center stage

[midnight meteor]

Is it just me or is The Armour of Contempt the worse gaunts ghost book? Its strangely just feels like a filler ending to that short arc

[tall phoenix]

Its agreed to be pretty meh by most people so no you aren't alone in that lol

[midnight meteor]

Ah for a second I thought was was sightly going crazy. I liked the start but once they hit the planet it just kinda went full random filler mode from there

Along with that, any good recommendations for vehicle crew themed guard books?

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-crazy-gorilla-comedy-channel-comedian-univision-creator-network-offer-gif-13768707

[midnight meteor]

thank you!

[tall phoenix]

no worries

[limber locust]

Guys let me see your collections ! Mine is pretty humble 🫣

[drowsy urchin]

• all the Warhammer Humble Bundle bundles

[topaz plinth]

just found out why bolus was saying 49 over and over

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[midnight meteor]

this is my older shelf of stuff, got some new books I gotta fit in somewhere

[shrewd silo]

To me I quite liked it but mainly because I liked the young guys story of shit going sideways immediately.
That said guants story in it was not as good as normal.
Straight Silver the one set in ww1 trench warfare was easily the worst to me since it was mainly just forgettable and boring.

Just finished blood pact and that was great fun

Gg12

[midnight meteor]

It felt really just fillery, I feel like they could have shove the good parts, the new guardsmen and the ship board stuff into a whole diffrent book and it be better

I also kinda somewhat agree with straight silver but at least A, what combat was in it was good and B it sets up a lot of other things

[shrewd silo]

Yeah but for me it was the least engaging book.
AoC was great every time I was following the young guy.
It's just kinda sad guants story was not as good

[midnight meteor]

The contrast between those books is a hell of a thing tho. Basically the dude with guant in straight sliver says their tactics of mass charging bodies and lack of small unit command is losing them the war, than in AoC the guard just does a human wave attack

Its really weird to me as the World war 1 era tactics get called out in straight sliver and in every other Guant ghost books it does make the guard actually not be idiotic with their forces than in AoC it just makes them do the default of human wave for some reason.

Those are actually the two most weirdly contrasting books that series come to think of it lol

One sets up tons of plot stuff while some mildy intresting stuff is happening and hammers the locals about their crappy tactics, AoC ends a lot of intresting plot stuff with a bunch of boring endings while one really neat story is happening and shows off a bunch of crappy tactics

[shrewd silo]

Yeah it kinds sucks since they both feel like they could have been way better

[midnight meteor]

While I don't wish to theory craft I think Straight sliver could have been more intrested as maybe trying to find a traitor or really getting the ghosts into the local traditions and stuff. Kinda play off the Victory day stuff in WW1 when they appear/ends. AoC just like...Does not need to exist just have them do that to some other world or just finish that arc with gaunt talking to an officer about it

I personally dislike AoC more as at least with Straight Sliver I enjoyed it and didn't feel like my time was wasted. I understand thats likely a rather personal view but AoC I feel like my time was actually wasted and at least the start of the next book it feels like the writer knows its best to pretend that book didn't happen

[slow pilot]

how are the urdesh books? i have both but havent read them yet.

[outer phoenix]

Are there any good books like Horus Rising?

[tribal ridge]

What do you mean?

[outer phoenix]

Establishing a new epoch

Fresh

[tribal ridge]

I mean it's the beginning of the current warhammer status qoe as we know it. Maybe you would want something more modern like with the return of guliman or that upcoming novel with the lion

[outer phoenix]

I’m leaning towards the Emperor’s story tbf, the new material feels a bit disenchanted with the new editions & range, that’s just me

I suppose that’s a better question: any good Emperor books?

[tribal ridge]

I think there's horus heresy ones that take place during the unification wars? Or atleast just flashbacks

[near scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-spongebob-epic-spongebob-speedrun-any-percent-geile-klöten-when-imposter-is-delicious-gif-19750086

why is gav and bob so fucking sad

[outer phoenix]

Thar sounds good to me

[outer phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/me-on-my-way-to-gif-25522390

[near scaffold]

where were you when bob was kil?

[orchid herald]

Xd. Dlisord flips them

[digital saffron]

Australian collection

[wintry blade]

Anyone know if there are any good ogryn books? Eg. Books with ogryns as the main character or who are prominent? And I’ve already read Ghazghul’s book so cassia doesn’t count.

[wet holly]

Bro lives in the damn Black Library.

[jaunty stratus]

i wish they would redo the humble bundle

[jaunty stratus]

||wasn't it because he was already corrupted and it was a sign of him becoming a plaguebearer, the dudes that count diseases?||

[drowsy urchin]

They do one or two a year usually

[topaz plinth]

||yeah the part i was referring to specifically that gives ptsd is bolus slashing his guts open with a las scalpel||

how do i do spoilers

nvm got it

the whole thing was pretty grim

[jaunty stratus]

really? damn, then I missed it this year

[topaz plinth]

most pictures dont do nurgle as much justice as the books

[jaunty stratus]

yeah, I did not expect that ending for that plot. I thought it was a || "sherlock holmes finds out about a dark plot with other veterans" kind of thing||

[drowsy urchin]

Might've been just an ebook one this year now that you mention it

[topaz plinth]

i was really getting into varens and bolus story then the book pulls that on me

[jaunty stratus]

what I know is, that they had the dark heresy adventure books and such, which was cool, unless your friends are lame and don't want to play it

[topaz plinth]

i couldnt tell whether varens was gonna wake up screaming again but nope all real

[jaunty stratus]

but it was a funny rollercoaster of moods. because what happened right afterwards was pure comedy

[topaz plinth]

you mean the epic bagpipe concert with the stink lords?

||real interesting seeing ku'gath in a 40k setting as he is who i played in tww3||

[midnight meteor]

ah i went to bed. But I liked both??? The space marines in it are cool there not as deep gaunts ghosts but still good enjoyable reads

They do give more details kinda of how the Saint acts and her powers.

[orchid herald]

I wish. Still missing a couple k worth of books current count is 1.3 k. Most are noveks with like 300 codexs. Across the ages.

[jaunty stratus]

Yup, that. It was a circus and hilarious. The whole trilogy it's funny that they chose ||kugath and his entourage|| as a comic relief

And yes. Knew him from tww3 too until then and was a cool to see him in 40k

[azure shadow]

Girlfriend got me this ork book as a Christmas gift, anyone read it?

[wet holly]

Not me personally, as I dont care about the faction but I only heard good things about the book!

[tribal ridge]

i was kinda disappointed as an ork fan. alot of is focus on the adepts and iron warriors as its a 3 way fight with them and the orks. didn't even finished it

[azure shadow]

Im excited to dive in

[drowsy urchin]

it's great

[dull frost]

Got a new book

[tall phoenix]

holy shit

nice one

[dull frost]

thanks

[shrewd silo]

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCCd1BWlciirsZGMlMwO7Gq82ZnuiH20s

This is like a fan story that kinda gets way better as it goes along since it's basically his writing practice

[red ledge]

What does everyone think of the books that follow Arminka lesk

[tall phoenix]

They are PRETTY alright?

I read all of them, they aren't amazing but still good guard content id say

[outer phoenix]

All I can say is the audiobook narration is quite accurate

[minor oasis]

I'm looking at getting some Ciaphas Cain audiobooks - I'm currently thinking of getting the first, second, and the short story anthology. Is that a good place to start?

also how's the narration on them? i have trouble understanding speech sometimes so i'm a little apprehensive lol

[drowsy urchin]

I've really enjoyed the audio books without any issues on understanding what they're saying

I've gone with the release order which seems to be the right call

[minor oasis]

is there a place I can see the release order?

[minor oasis]

thanks!

where does the short story anthology fit in with the series?

earlier this morning i thought to myself "man, i really wish audiobooks had subtitles" and then i was like "that's called a regular book you dumb potato"

[drowsy urchin]

the short stories fit in between the main releases so I don't really know

I've not listened to them

[minor oasis]

ive heard the short stories are great but i'm worried i'll trip over spoilers for later books

[drowsy urchin]

doubtful for the mainline books are not chronological in order either

[minor oasis]

[drowsy urchin]

it's clearer once you start them

[minor oasis]

alrighty, ty - i'll poke at it later today 😄

[wintry blade]

But there’s nothing official?

[outer phoenix]

Whoever thought of renaming games workshop to warhammer should he shot

[slow pilot]

Christmas gift

Also got a limited edition steam deck oled

[unborn merlin]

[hearty niche]

Alright, finished infinite and the divine. Enjoyed

Now to decide between cain or gotrek and Felix

[outer phoenix]

Horus Rising

[cerulean peak]

I just finished the gotrek and felix omnibus. It was a fun read. Especially considering I had 0 knowledge of warhammer fantasy lore before

[wintry blade]

While I know it isn’t official, does anyone have a text version of the glorious tales of gav and bob?

I just don’t want to listen to a video

[shrewd silo]

Pretty sure it's on 1d4chan

[hearty niche]

Man Richard Reed is such a good narrator

[shrewd silo]

Man I started salvations reach and who the fuck thought that voicing them all in shit surred accents was a good idea

I got up to larks and the guys gone form a old sniper into a crack head

[midnight meteor]

Oh God thats when I might have to read those books. I heard they didn't match Toby the dude sounds amazing so I thought it maybe it was just a dip in qualities not like....bad

There is something funny tho about Lark just slowly becoming more crack head sounding lol

[sleek pagoda]

Hi! Which book would you suggest to someone as a first W40k book or books? I do not want to start an unending, or still in the works book series, but rather one single book or an already finished trilogy maximum. Is there a "most important book" in W40k universe?

[digital saffron]

See pinned messages

[sleek pagoda]

ah thanks I always forget about that DC option

[tall phoenix]

theres a few choices there yeah take a look

[sleek pagoda]

There are a ton of choices there, I didn't expect there are so many books in warhammer universe. I hope the first trilogy is available in my first language.

I don't get it tho, why is the Eisenhorn trilogy is called a trilogy while it contains 4 books.

[wide mica]

The first three came out, then the Ravenor trilogy and then the fourth Eisenhorn book came out

[wet holly]

Night Lords Trilogy :>

[sleek pagoda]

I'm still googling and unfortunately the one everywhere suggested is only in english. It's the Fire Caste.

[tall phoenix]

40k's strategy for books is:

Make a shit ton

Throw them at the wall

See what sticks

Most are good but they vary a lot from Bad to Good to Trash

[wet holly]

I am afraid thats just the case with 40k books mostly.
Personally as a european I still go for english books.
It takes me abit longer to read but it also just reads better than my goofy ass language.
Also availability.

[sleek pagoda]

I'm really looking for the most dark/horrorish of them all, but as I'm new in W40k lore, well I don't know anything about it, I'm a little lost.

[wet holly]

Theres a whole category called Warhammer Horror.

If thats more your thing!

[sleek pagoda]

Yeah, it's just a pain to find an already finished series or single book than look for it's title in my mother language if it's translated or not.

[wet holly]

I am almost certain Warhammer Horror doesnt have too many translated works simply because its more niche.

[sleek pagoda]

Yeah probably :/

Anyone here read Requiem Infernal? Some ppl say on reddit that it should not be read as the first book of the author, any opinion about it by you folks?

That single one is available in my language. But that's the only one from that author.

[wet holly]

Havnt even heard of it

Oooh well, it seems to be a one shot.
Could be because its a difficult read, alot of 40k books have almost their own language, or rather their own terminology

(I still get eye cancer when I read shit like "His mechadendrite fingers singing praise as he summons the cogitiator and views shaky images on the auspex" or whatever lol)

[iron ore]

what's the worst one you've ever read?

[tall phoenix]

too many

LOL

[wet holly]

Krieg was awful

[tall phoenix]

Steve Lyons being the only writer for Krieg is more than i could ask for tbh.

Good to know no author cares about them minus him

[iron ore]

Krieg should have stayed as horribly inaccessible FW models with a single paragraph of lore

[wet holly]

Didnt enjoy it at all.
It just felt so bland-

[tall phoenix]

nobody did tbh

[iron ore]

not true, I have a friend with a high ranking SS officer as his pfp who swears by it

[tall phoenix]

LMAO STOP

[wet holly]

What did I just read.

"No guys I am not a neo nazi, this is just my own successor chapter, the Diesel Marines!"

Shut
the
fuck
up.

[iron ore]

he launched EA origin and his username was firstname_lastname_nazi number and I was like dude are you like into the nazi thing and he was like "i had a phase in 8th grade"

And you didn't change your username for THIRTEEN YEARS

[wide mica]

Damn, one of my friends told me it was a great book and her family are rich because of Nazi gold, I'm starting to notice a trend.

[tall phoenix]

ABSOLUTE bruh moment

[iron ore]

He's quite the character

Not actually a nazi thankfully

I think

[wet holly]

I had an old toxic friend group tell me I was a hardcore nazi for saying I enjoy the Krieg as a factionn

[iron ore]

need more people like your friend to gatekeep /s

[loud bramble]

How’s the black stone fortress omnibus?

[tall phoenix]

Its not AMAZING but if you want something actually different from most 40k shit its really good.

The first two novels arent bad but the 3rd is great.

No Space Marines, no Guardsmen, just a bunch of asshole adventurers inside a massive alien fortress doing fun stuff

[loud bramble]

Rogue trader stuff?

[tall phoenix]

Yep and some other scoundrels

[wet holly]

Have u read forges of mars yet btw?

[tall phoenix]

I have years ago.

Very good series.

[wet holly]

Its my next read!
Glad you like it, I only read a bit so far before putting it away cuz I figured I cant do 2 books at once lol.
Very excited to continue once I am done with the Word Bearer slog lol.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its an EXCELLENT series

from the mid 2000's era of 40k too, a good read

[wet holly]

I was IMPRESSED with how many pov's therd are!
Like- 7ish?
Honestly perfect for beginners, since you get some many points, and factions unless its too hsrd to understand-

Also god damn sorry for that clusterfuck of a sentence lmao

[tall phoenix]

LMAO nah its good

[unborn mist]

C.S Gotos are just trash,

[iron ore]

Apparently he was going through a brutal divorce while writing for GW and it caused his books to be awful or something

or at least that's the possibly BS anecdotal scapegoat I've heard

[sacred laurel]

What would you say is the best book of the series? Is Horus Rising a good start?

[drowsy urchin]

For horus heresy? Yes. For anything Warhammer? Probably not

[sacred laurel]

So what would you recommend for anything Warhammer?

[drowsy urchin]

There's a great list in the pinned messages on this channel just for that

[shrewd silo]

My opinion is the best horus heresy book is really book 1-5.
It tells everything in a pretty good straightforward way and its focused.
After that HH is just all over the place and it's a mess

[shrewd silo]

What kinda stories you like?

[drowsy urchin]

My first proper novels were Heresy books but I was very well versed in everything Warhammer prior, so if you know your stuff already then the heresy is a fine start

but if you're not that well informed about the setting you'd might want to check something else first

[bleak void]

Scars was great

very action packed,great setup and narration, excellent action scenes

really good perspective on the start of the heresy

[wide mica]

Once the Horus Heresy is finally wrapped up, do yous think GW will shift it's focus to a new longform story like a series of novels covering something like the Badab war?

[tall phoenix]

Definitely not.

They'll focus on the Scouring next post 30k.

[wide mica]

Damn, Dadab novels would be cool. Especially since Huron is apparently getting a new plastic mini.

[forest spruce]

Were gonna get 20 books about the iron cage

[wintry blade]

The page won’t load for me

[iron ore]

If huron blackheart gets a new mini I'd probably screech

all my chaos boys are gonna be red corsairs

[wide mica]

Yea, a content creator that was partnered with GW did a video like a year ago and was reviewing the CSM codex for 9th edition and was saying things like "I don't know why they've used a picture of the old model for Huron in the Codex, they have the new one I've seen it" and very soon after he was no longer partnered with GW.

and it's known that GW have the new models for long long in advance

[digital saffron]

Harkon?

[wide mica]

Sorry

I meant Huron

[digital saffron]

They could've just been mixing up this

Or saw a kitbash and didn't realize

[topaz plinth]

any good thousand sons books?

[wide mica]

It's possible, but he was saying it like there was lore around it and he'd expected it to be there. Theory I've seen bounced around was that Huron was supposed to be released during 9th and this guy was was one of the people that were used as like a test group for it. But then something happened behind the scenes and it ended up delayed for whatever reason. Plus he specifically mentions it being a Plastic model.

[wide mica]

The Ahriman series is very popular

[topaz plinth]

thank you

oh god theres alot of em XD

i gotta get a kindle most of the 40k books arent available paperback anymore sadly

[wide mica]

Yea they only do limited release windows for any of their books because there's so many different ones

[topaz plinth]

yup i wanna read the horus heresy series

but theres 60 of those atleast

still going iirc

[digital saffron]

I wouldn't put any stock in that tbh

[wide mica]

GW have been known to hang onto designs for a long time before actually releasing them, one of their former designers was on a podcast and was saying that there's models he designed over 6 years ago which are only now being announced for release.

So while I know it's not reliable, it's still possible

[iron ore]

this is true

I would not be totally suprised at a huron blackheart model

but it's something I like HOPE

happens

[shrewd silo]

I'm hoping for age of apostasy.
But that's the massive civil religious war that founded the sisters of battle so unlikely since can't sell primarchs or space marines.

[bleak void]

I need help

[tall phoenix]

[bleak void]

what does Eisenhorn actually look like or does he get old and bald in the trilogy lol

I don't know normally rely on fan art or such for books but I assume there's plenty of official but there seems to be four to five different versions and it's aggravating my autism to not know which one is the most Canon

example for example

[tall phoenix]

Okay so

[digital saffron]

Oldsenhorn is the most canon

[tall phoenix]

That is indeed Young and Old Eisenhorn

the left version is mostly when Eisenhorn was still a normal person, the right is once he starts going down the path of chaos and memes.

[iron ore]

he also gets some implants later on which require baldness

[bleak void]

Thanks that's easy enough to understand

[tall phoenix]

Lmao anytime

but basically yeah he only gets Old/Bald later down the line

[bleak void]

old, bald and implants

40k not so different from our current Society

[tall phoenix]

very lore accurate to IRL

[bleak void]

Need to make sure to get my future hip implant blessed properly

[iron ore]

unironically if you read the books this is part of the reason he's bald

[unborn mist]

Marine pattern baldness

Do not fall to hairesy

[topaz plinth]

I wonder if keeps still exists in the 41st millenium

Get them to sponsor the ministorum

[midnight meteor]

In the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium there is only hair lost, Unless you use todays sponsor keeps

[jaunty stratus]

good guy gregor. decided to wear a bodycam for potential complaints

potentially spoilery content, but later down the path in the pariah book he was described as older, quite big man, but not that "worn down" as in the magos book. probably thanks to the events of magos, but he's not that kind of crackhead as he's displayed in the miniature up there

[severe willow]

Hello rejects. Recently got into the WH40k books , the first one i ended up reading was "The Eye of Terror". Is there a sequal to it? Ive searched online and cant seem to find if there is a part 2. Also if there isnt, can you guys recommend similar books?:D

[tall phoenix]

Nope its just a one-off novel

also from like 1999 💀

[severe willow]

SADGE

[tall phoenix]

though if you want similiar ones

Some top tier choices, Blackstone Fortress and Void King are VERY recent, came out in the last few years.

Rogue Trader and Farseer are slightly older

[severe willow]

oo thanks

[tall phoenix]

[severe willow]

Was hoping to get more of the Adventures of Maynard and Calladin xD

[tall phoenix]

Yeah unfortunately most 40k books are usually one-shots

as annoying as it is

[topaz plinth]

if youre into series theres one series in particular

not that big

[frigid osprey]

Different setting though for the HH

[wet holly]

I have a better series for you :>

[jaunty stratus]

if you read the horus heresy books, just read the nick kyme ones. they are great, rich in variety and bring the major plot points forward. rest is just filler. trust me

[drowsy urchin]

[iron ore]

Whenever I see William king wrote the book I know that shit is gonna be HEAT

[tribal ridge]

how are the Gideon Ravenor novels?

[drowsy urchin]

good

[jaunty stratus]

worth it, liked the characters, lots of quirky ones and also, well, its a trilogy of the trilogies.

[shrewd silo]

Its like guants ghosts/ esinhorn.
Because how I would explain it is it's esinhorn investigation mystery adventure but instead of been all his prospective it's everyone in the kill squad and constantly goes from one to the other.

Like every single member has a mission you follow and they meet and split all the time.

[crisp flare]

finished reading my first 40k book

dead sky black sun

the only thing i wasnt able to wrap my head around was the ending

[tribal ridge]

Oh I know about that one

[crisp flare]

i wanted to know what the daemonculaba was

so i decided to take it straight from the source

[tribal ridge]

Yea lol I found out about it from a meme then just Googled it

[crisp flare]

it was a good book in all honesty

[graceful osprey]

I've always found McNeill's dialogue a bit too rambly, but he's a great story teller and has an instinct for good pacing

Forges of Mars is another good series by him, and there's like 6 more Ventris novels and even some Honsou books

[supple skiff]

new to 40k, looking for a good starter book on space marines and beginner book

[jaunty stratus]

beginner? eisenhorn trilogy. Space marine beginner? dark imperium i would say

[tribal ridge]

what do you guys think of the krieg novel from steve lyons?

[random marlin]

I liked Dead Men Walking, I disliked Krieg.

[tribal ridge]

why

[severe trail]

Twist around the end was stupid for Krieg

[wet holly]

There was a twist???? I dont even remember that 💀

[severe trail]

“Twist”

[wet holly]

The whole book was just super dull

[severe trail]

I guess

[wet holly]

Wait what was it again?

[severe trail]

Also yeah it’s dull as shit

[wet holly]

spoiler ofc-

[severe trail]

A lot of krieg are ||clones||

Which makes 0 sense

[wet holly]

Isnt that just common knowledge?

[severe trail]

No

They’re known to be vat grown

Not literal fucking ||clones||

[wet holly]

t-theres a difference?

[digital saffron]

Ye

[wet holly]

I feel stupid right now.

[digital saffron]

Cloning is copy pasting
Vat grown is like growing a planet from a seed

[wet holly]

OOOOOOOOOOOOH I see.

[severe trail]

And also clones tend to have horrific issues

With bad luck, being defective or just coming out wrong

[wet holly]

I mean in Pariah ||we saw a Krieg without his helmet and he was just a normal dude lol||

[digital saffron]

Yeah because they're cloned from a normal dude

[wet holly]

||Jurten?||

[digital saffron]

Clone issues tend to lean more towards deformities(which are likely just killed)
or their insides being fucked up and them abruptly dying probably

[wet holly]

yiiiiikes

[severe trail]

I simply choose to ignore that twist around the end of krieg

Because it’s stupid

[unborn merlin]

Hey rejects, any good Alpha Legion novels post HH?

[digital saffron]

Harrowmaster

[hearty niche]

if anyone wants something a littlebit more thoughtful and likes the sisters, i can recommend requiem infernal!

[tall phoenix]

Requiem infernal is meta as fuck, prob one of my fav BL books

[random marlin]

Your mileage may vary, but I enjoy the satirical aspect of the 40k universe, and I think it's been lost in Krieg. The book ends up, probably unintentionally, glorifying the inhuman aspects of the Death Korps of Krieg rather than criticizing/satirizing them, to the point where it ended up being an uncomfortable read for me.

And the ending implying ||they are clones of the Krieg colonel who bombed the planet and committed mass genocides to prove a point, which is time and again in the novel presented as a necessary evil (again unintentionally reminding me of some... people on the Internet who have the same stance about the Imperium) ||didn't make it any better.

I can't shake the feeling that Stephen Lyons who wrote all the novels and short stories about DKOK have been asked to present them in a better light in his latest works. His previous novel, Dead Men Walking, was very nihilistic and satirical in its depiction of the DKOK and most of this has vanished in Krieg and Less than humans, his latest short story about them.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah a lot of people also forget that its the loyalist people of Krieg who are the bad guys in the origin of their planet.

Some people genuinely think the insurrectionists/nobles who didnt want to constantly send their kids to go die in off-world wars are the bad guys for wanting to secede from the imperium lol

[random marlin]

Yeah, and the way Krieg is written heavily leans into that. The insurrectionists are shown in a bad light, all of them being selfish caricatures, as we wouldn't want to have a somewhat more nuanced view about the situation rather than "the loyalists were right to do it", would we? 🫠

[tall phoenix]

Steve Lyons being the only author for anything Krieg too doesn't help

[random marlin]

I sometimes wonder if I imagined all the satirical aspects in Dead Men Walking as it's just not there anymore in Krieg. Maybe I'll read Dead Men Walking again at some point, just to check if I saw in it what I wanted to see or not. 🤔

[tall phoenix]

Its there but I always found Dead Men Walking more funny than depressing so that might jus tbe me.

like the main character dressing up as a cosplay krieger after going full doomer seeing his crush leave him to die on a noble-craft was hilarious to me

[random marlin]

I can understand the feeling, I found the novel nihilistic/satirical and, to me, there's a lot of humor in it, like the ||Necrons being more reasonable than the DKOK (after all, they did give the humans an ultimatum, like "get off of my lawn!") and the fate of the commissar character||.