40k-book-club

[wicked tree]

I believe it's called the great works. But it has some flash back moments to cawls past

[slow pilot]

ya i ordered it

i want to know more about him

[wicked tree]

He also appears in....Wolfsbane from the HH series

[slow pilot]

i want to know more about him to try and figure out if he is gana pull some order 66 shit

https://tenor.com/view/galactic-republic-execute-order66-gif-20482916

[slow pilot]

finished avenging son

[slow pilot]

@sage gale can you explain nawras story to me im kinda confused what shes trying to do

[sage gale]

Who?

It's been a minute since i've read avenging son

[slow pilot]

the girl who came from the slums

said she had a message from the emp or something

[sage gale]

Honestly no clue

[slow pilot]

[sage gale]

Some of these books have so many passing characters that it's rough to remember them all

You sure you have her name spelled corectly

Nawra Nison

ahh

@slow pilot It has to do with the pariah nexus

around nephilim

[slow pilot]

wut

[sage gale]

uhh

this is the cicatrix maledictum

well actually this is the galaxy, with the cicatrix maledictum highlighted in purple

[slow pilot]

i hate all these names

[sage gale]

:)

It's refined donw to

"the great rift"

[slow pilot]

they have like 10 names for everything

[sage gale]

Theres the high and low gothic names

low gothic is generally the modern english name

[slow pilot]

the great rift is easier for my simple brain

[sage gale]

"sisters of battle" vs "Adeptas Sororitas"

etc

this little funny boi is the pariah nexus

[slow pilot]

all the athours need to get together and just pick what names they will use for everything

[sage gale]

It's in the nephilim sector

tl;dr

its wierd and allows travel between the two sides of the great rift

basically

it's a bunch of the blackstone pillars like what were on cadia

that are just stopping the warp from having free reign there

so now the imperium is in damn near constant war to keep it open vs
chaos
necrons
nids
and whoever else decides to wander in

basically

it's a intergalactic bridge made out of cursed souless rock form 60 million years ago across a river made of pure hell

@slow pilot

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pariah_Nexus

if you want to read the whole like

8 sentances

on lexicanum

[sage gale]

Whyd you ask me anyway lmao

[slow pilot]

why did i ask you what

[sage gale]

this

[slow pilot]

i didn't understand it and you seem to know a lot

[sage gale]

Fair nough

[wooden barn]

How good without spoilers

Is the end and the death

[drowsy urchin]

Very

[spiral panther]

EatD is very good, it builds up great expectation for the final book imo

excited to see what they're going to do with my boy garvy

[slow pilot]

spoiler: a dude name horus does some heresy

[wooden barn]

you really did it horus

you really are the geneseed 40 thousand

[slow pilot]

that horus and his wacky shenanigan's

[summer beacon]

finally did that fire frenzy t3 bug with shotgun

underwhelming

oops sorry wrong chat

[sage gale]

Would recomend

Very good book

But

you have to read the rest of the SoT first

or its

going to be awkward

I would describe the end and the death as the literary version of edging

it doesn't really have a complex plot

and it isn't trying to do anything too crazy

but its building up to where we know the story is going

and were we have known for 17 years

[midnight wind]

So Knight of Talassar: The Cato Sicarius Omnibus is coming out this saturday for pre-orders. Anyone recommend the stories in it or the character? is it worth adding to my omnibus collection?

[spiral panther]

They‘re filling in some things, like i‘m not sure what originally happened to garvy

[zenith mountain]

Lemme put it this way

they could have deleted most of the Siege and kept End

and it'd have been a net improvement

[slow pilot]

Not a huge fan of gate of bones. I enjoyed avenging son a lot more but I will give it some more time

[meager trench]

it builds slower, but is an alright entry

some characters show up later in the series so worth to read it for that

[sage gale]

@zenith mountain interesting take, what do you hate so much about the siege lmao

Not trying to criticize, genuinely curious

[zenith mountain]

Inconsistency

Tone issues

Filler plots

Bad writers taking entire novels

Lack of presentation or respect for traitors

What's damning though

is that everything I dislike

the convoluted plots, the D-plots, the Horus Dementia, etc

All that?

ADB and Abnett kept it all

and nailed it

making it very clear the problem is writer quality as much as these being bad ideas

which they are

Like talent is one thing but all the side plots needed to be their own short story

it was a problem in the later heresy and Siege just does that but worse

but ultimately if they cut everyone but Wraight, ADB, Abnett, and maybe French and pruned some novels out, the series would have been better for it

Haley in particular just cannot write

Lost and the Damned lost the plot and was damning for Haley's skills.

[sage gale]

agreeable except french, mortis was bad

[zenith mountain]

Oh I didn't care for it

but French at least can write

most of the time

[sage gale]

yes, haley should never had been apart of the SoT team

I would ave rathere graham mcneil

who is notably dull

[zenith mountain]

McNeil is TwoFace

[sage gale]

but atleast he can write a decent plot

[zenith mountain]

I'd rather not have a coin toss between "okay" and "godawful"

Thing is

Echoes and End

showed amazing atmosphere

[sage gale]

oh yeah

[zenith mountain]

and turned what was almost a joke

Horus being senile

into terrifying and interesting writing

[sage gale]

Saturnine
Warhawk
echoes
end

Indisputably the best books out of SoT

[zenith mountain]

Saturnine I have some issues with

Solar War I loved

[sage gale]

Most people do, but its one of the best books

[zenith mountain]

Saturnine butchering the SoH roster was stupid

flat out a L

too soon

[sage gale]

TBH, its been so long i forgot about that one lmao

[zenith mountain]

gonna assume Falkus was either a writer flub

or a plot that ADB might play with

Wouldn't be the first Abnett typo that ended up as a great horror twist

[sage gale]

I think it would be rad to see him resurected in some way

like tormageddon

[sharp oar]

Is there a ETA we know fir volume 2 of the end of the death?

[drowsy urchin]

Afaik it is written or almost at least based on an interview with Abnett so probably not too long till we hear some concrete information

[jaunty stratus]

Hyped for the newly announced "Bording of the Vengeful Spirit"-Series

[drowsy urchin]

10 books baby

[stiff dagger]

Is it the climax of horus heresy or space wolfs visit one?

[jaunty stratus]

nah, its only about the Bording of the vengeful spirit after/during the Siege of Terra. The Climax of the HH is in planned for Phase 5: "Confrontation of Horus and the Emperor"-Series, which will have be a Trilogy

[sage gale]

@sharp oar q3 2023

@stiff dagger its building up right to thr climax

[sharp oar]

Q3?

Am tiny brain

[sage gale]

August thru october

[sage gale]

Basically

we can expect it any time between august 2023 and and october 2023

@sharp oar

[main plover]

boarding of the vengeful spirit series?

so what would be in the end and the death part 2? lol jk

[jaunty stratus]

500 pages of inner mologue of eldrad

[main plover]

trazyn the infinite watching the horus vs emperor match with orikan

[forest spruce]

Trayzen steals one of the companions

[forest spruce]

Just finished the carrion throne

I enjoyed it.

[sage gale]

good book

navradaran do be kinda based

[forest spruce]

People do not like the female protag online

[sage gale]

people don't like well written female protagonists in general tbh

[forest spruce]

I mean shes got a few plot holes but yeah i enjoyed her

[meager trench]

Canoness Setheno is the best female protagonist in BL history

[forest spruce]

I mean my only issue with Spinoza is her weapon. Isnt a Crozius a chaplains weapons, doesnt make alot of sense for her to have one.

[meager trench]

They explain it in the series

She served with the Imperial Fists and distinguished herself during her time with them, so received an unusual gift

[forest spruce]

But isnt a crozius the symbol of office for chaplins

[meager trench]

Yup

[forest spruce]

You dont just give away your badge of office

[meager trench]

Evidently chaplain Erastus thought she was zealous enough to receive such a gift

[forest spruce]

I wouldnt have such a big issue with it if it was just a mastercrafted powermaul or something. I just have an issue with giving away a badge of office

[sage gale]

idk if she counts as a protagonist, but Lotarra Sarrin is definitely one of the best female characters, and just character is general, in BL

[slow pilot]

A fine addition to my collection

Need to dust

[meager trench]

Yeah bro you need one of them swiffer dusters on hand

[mossy needle]

Every paperback copy of a 40k book, drains the wallet of a retail workers paycheck

plz black library have mercy

[quiet yew]

Does she wear power armor? How can she even lift that thing?

[quiet yew]

Is she? She seemed way too much like Angron's annoying trophy wife

[sage gale]

bruh

garbage take tbh

[quiet yew]

Come on now

Oooh look at me I'm a mortal starship captain and I get to be quirky around astartes hehehe dont hit on me silly boys

[sage gale]

i

what

did we read the same books

[quiet yew]

Also the only reason she doesn't get her head caved in by a power-armored gauntlet is because Angron is fond of her, which is where the trophy wife aspect comes in

Well I've read half of Betrayer and all of Echoes of Eternity

I haven't really seen her elsewhere

Is it ever explained how she took command of the Conqueror?

[sage gale]

she already was the conquerer's ship mistress pre angron

[quiet yew]

Ah, I see

Why does Angron like her anyway? Is it because she's a quirky ADB character?

Hehehe I'm so special

Does she have a Blood Angels power sword called "Gold" (but in Latin) in her footlocker?

[sage gale]

because she's just about the only force that even attempts to keep discipline amongst his sons?

[quiet yew]

Is she? The World Eaters are a vast army and surely she doesn't have that much influence

[sage gale]

Or that she's an incredibly competetn ship mistess?

[sage gale]

the only force trying, not necisarily succeeding

[quiet yew]

Well I'm certain the Imperium doesn't lack for skilled officers so I'm thinking that maybe something personal happened between her and Angron

Because those traits are not necessarily unique to her

[sage gale]

yeah but they are unique in the WE legion

especially the competency part

[quiet yew]

Well those are my impressions so far until I read more of her books

On the topic of female officers attached to astartes legions, I do like Ilya Ravallion

The White Scars' grandma

even though I don't know why she's their grandma

but I'll take it anyway

I get what Chris Wraight was going for but like his other characters like Torgun Khan, they're more like archetypes than fleshed out characters (save for Shiban and Jaghatai)

[sage gale]

I mean theres fairly limited space to actually flesh out most of these characters

[quiet yew]

The way Chris writes them implies that he really wants to take them on a long haul but then he gets pressured by deadlines and starts rushing things

Which is funny because I've seen it in every one of his books

[sage gale]

thats fairly accurate tbh

chris was given the most under developed legion to work with

i'm sure he would have rathered another 2 novels to get to develope them before the siege

[meager trench]

ilya's introduction in scars is really good, another absolute banger of a character. it explains why she's the granny in charge, how she got to where she is

[main plover]

is the book club discussion happening now for the infinite and the divine?

[forest spruce]

Yeah she has power armor

[quiet yew]

Is she a sister of battle or an inquisitor?

[forest spruce]

Inquistor

[quiet yew]

Oh, cool

[forest spruce]

Well an acolytes

At least in the first book

[craggy bone]

I'm also wondering, can't seem to find it. Maybe I'm just dumb

[forest spruce]

I mean good book im prolly gonna give it a relisten soon. But first i need to read vaults of terra

Super pumped to start the second book, which im doing like rn

[noble rune]

I dont see it either

[keen cave]

Same, I see it nowhere.

[main plover]

Nothing so far, probably it’ll start tomorrow

[keen cave]

I don’t think Aqshy unhid the channel, yet. That’s all.

[copper sphinx]

Aqshy isn't even on the server anymore

[harsh meteor]

where book club channel?

I want to rant so much about Trollzyn and Orikan 😄

[jaunty stratus]

Well, at least I'm not too late to the discussion, totally forgot it was today

[harsh meteor]

@night marsh since aqshy ain´t here, will you be handling the book club stuff henceforth?

[main plover]

The novel was hilarious, really odd for a 40k book too

[eternal snow]

To quote Magnus The Silly: There was once more than gallows humour in the galaxy

[main plover]

Yup and the novel got galactic humour. I really enjoyed it.

[harsh meteor]

I ended up feeling kinda torn about the book

[keen cave]

"The Infinite And The Divine", or as I like to call it, ||Fuck off and leave my trinkets alone, Orikon The Diviner.||

[jaunty stratus]

I really did not like the ending tbh ||the fact that they set back all what happened between orikan and trazyn was really a meh moment for me. All the Character development just to fall back to the start was a bummer||

[random marlin]

Spoiler for the infinite and the divine obviously ||What do you mean by "set back"? I had the feeling when reading the book that there were missed opportunities to keep developing the characters, but I'm not sure I see an exact "set back" point for it, hence my question.||

I have mixed feelings about the book. On one hand, I'm happy it exists. On the other, I had heard so many good things about it that I was a bit disappointed with it once I got to read it. notably, I thought it would be much more humorous that it ended up being.

[keen cave]

Yeah, I feel that. I feel like it didn't live up to the fuckload of hype I had gotten leading up to it. But I still really did enjoy it.

[slow pilot]

I had no idea the sisters of battle were so fucking nuts

[quiet yew]

I read the book without seeing any reviews or reactions for it so I came into it with no expectations. 7/10, it was entertaining enough (for the Infinite and the Divine)

[jaunty stratus]

|| They started to behave help each other and understand and accept each other, but in like the last 10 minutes of the audiobook they tricked and deceived each other again and were basically set back to the beginnin when Orikan broke into Trazyns Museum the first time, just petty and childish, it was almost like the ruleset of your weekly sitcom format, they have to be back to square one, so that the next episode can happen without any bigger character development or story||

but also had expected way more humor, just like you, luckily I listened to the audiobook and the speaker did an outstanding job, despite the fact that I had lots of problems with the accent he used for necrons and that english isn't my native language

[harsh meteor]

One thing I loved about the book infinite and the divine was how incredibly
petty those two were

You fucking bastards have the literal powers of various gods at your fingertips and you use it to piss on someone elses metaphorical breakfast cereal

[keen cave]

I mean, ||They talk early on about how the most dangerous threat to the Necrons is boredom. Maybe pissing in each others' Khorne flakes is how they avoid getting bored and going mad?||

[deft temple]

I posted this in lore the other day, but really do find it amusing. Currently reading Space Wolves omnibus, and:

Slowly, the married couples were coming out to join in the dancing. Dogs barked. Geese honked. Goats bleated. The festivities stirred them up like nothing else could

<Me thinking, OH JOY! I have found a pocket of hope in the Grim Dark. A place where people can truly live peacefully and happily, away from the horrors of the universe>

.... literally **ONE **paragraph down, in the same festival.

Strybjorn needed no more provocation. He lashed out with his axe. There was a horrid sucking sound as the blade bit home and then was withdraw. Strybjorn lashed out again, feeling warm blood spurt out the man's body that fell at his feet. He pressed forward into the bodies.

I should have known

[forest spruce]

The space wolves do this type of thing more than once

[deft temple]

They are pretty battle hungry

[forest spruce]

[harsh meteor]

Where thread?

[fresh sun]

I'm with you on this, ||I was also hoping for some development, even the old "enemies to friends" trope would have been acceptable since I grew to really like both Orikan and Trazyn, but I suppose if the two actually teamed up, the Golden Throne would be in Solemnace by the end of the year.||

[fresh sun]

No idea, and apparently Aqshy isn't here in the server atm, hope everything is alright and she's just taking a break

[harsh meteor]

Yeah I mean I guess that at the end of the day the point of the whole book was that ||They will never, ever, NEVER EVER learn. Doomed to repeat their programming since biotransference ate their souls and they cannot learn from their programming||

[fresh sun]

Good point, they are ||rather limited in that way||

[harsh meteor]

Nah Aqshy isn´t coming back to Darktide stuff I thinks. Someone else oughta pick up the slack, and then the chip would fall on Catfish and / or Hedge

It is still grimdark story

[fresh sun]

I did like the little bit where the Trazyn and Orikan literally gave each other the Necron version of the middle finger lmao

[eternal snow]

My god, re-reading some of the comments here and reactions of some readers any time a FEMALE shows up in the writing is...its a trip

[deft temple]

My favorite WoW writer is a female

Christie Golden. Arthas. Great book in any universe.

[eternal snow]

You give me hope

[forest spruce]

If your talking about my comments on Spinoza. I just dislike her weapon.

[eternal snow]

Naw, you're grand 👍

[forest spruce]

Alright

[sage gale]

Women are just icky idk what to say

[eternal snow]

I hear they consort with Jinns

[sage gale]

But you are correct
Women in warhammer novels are surprisingly contentious

[orchid herald]

Trazyn is more intact then most other Necron, but one would make the assumption that the original host body dying and placing into the deathless metal one and with transfer of the Consciousness from Trazyn to a new body some form of damage would be Done, or is it the Case that due to the Mystical Tectological Advantage that the Necron have it does seem to have any form of personality damage. as the Destroyers, seems to have a failed biotransfer of there Consciousness leaving only the hatred and resentment of the living, also the typical host-bodies that Trazyn occupies seems to be unConscious automaton and have no-self awareness. so should the shifting of Consciousness from one Necontyr body to another damage the original Consciousness?

[sage gale]

Hes not doing bio trasnferrence

Basically, he's uploading his brain to the google cloud

and then downloading it somewhere else

Some information probably is lost

but a negligable amount at best

keep in mind he is constantly connected to his lycheguard (who he transfers too)

[sterile shuttle]

are there any books where the big E shows up

[jaunty stratus]

well, it looks like back in the school days, when the class is waiting for the teacher to show up, but doesn't, with our book club discussion

[main plover]

in HH he shows up a lot of times, in 40k not so much only mentioned, but guilliman did saw the big E after his resurrection

[tacit raft]

The Death and The End

[tall phoenix]

The End and the Death

[spiral panther]

ayo how do i get access to the book discussion?

[copper sphinx]

It's not up

I'm starting to think the new community manager forgot about it

[spiral panther]

Isnt aqshy doing it anymore?

[sage gale]

Master of mankind

[sage gale]

Aqshy left for vermintide

[marsh delta]

So anyone got any good books on Slaanesh and Slaaneshi activities to recommend? Preferably without marines

[main plover]

read Vengeful Spirit, it features marines and primarchs but the story was quite focused more on House Devine of Molech, and their fall to She Who Thirsts, and another that comes to mind is Song for the Lost which doesnt feature any marines or primarchs. Shadowsword is another. The Traitor's Hand features Ciaphas Cain vs Slaaneshi cults.

Daemon World features a lot of the slaaneshi stuff, being set in a daemon world of Slaanesh.

[marsh delta]

Thanks

[sage gale]

Fulgrim

[main plover]

if he'll be interested in reading that, he might as well read Angel Exterminatus and Slaves to Darkness

[prisma vortex]

Hello. I have pretty less knowledge about the whole warhammer 40k Universe and wanted to start reading the books. Has someone a Tip for me where to start?

[meager trench]

#40k-book-club message

[slow pilot]

who knew biden liked warhammer

[sage gale]

The three big ones are eisenhorn xenos, caiphas cain, and the infinite and the divine

I however would also recomend you look at a faction you like, and find books that focus on them

If you dont like the imperial guard, caiphas cain isnt going to interest you
Same as with necrons and the infinite and the divine

[main plover]

i'd like ai u.s. presidents to discuss 40k factions tier list

[slow pilot]

i just finished a edit of the horus herecy cgi trailer but i replaced the Horus voice with trump

https://www.youtube.com/@GrimDarkAI/videos

thats my new channel

[orchid herald]

depending on what you are looking to read, are you doing a specific faction or generally?
general- look for a novel of each faction and the codexs that contain the upto current lore.
if you want to read something close to the darktide point of view, would recommend Grav thorpes: 13th legions, Caiphas Cain, Karskin. and if you have a preferred regiment there novels too.

[main plover]

depends, but you should check out black library and 40k wikis to learn more about the lore. Then you can decide which characters, stories interest you and decide which books you want to read, since there are hundreds.

[harsh meteor]

Still no book club thread 😦

Beneficent Emperor, why have you abandoned us?

[jaunty stratus]

And I was rushing the book to get it done in time for the club... ah well

I just hope they did not kill it off silently

[random marlin]

I'm going to assume a lot of things here, so I could be 100% wrong, but my assumptions are:

1 There has been changes to the Community Manager team with Aqshy not being on the server anymore, and maybe the book club was one of her personal projects;
2 Whether it was or not, the CM team has reprioritized what they have to do, and the book club is low on the priority list, compared to, well, all the things that has been going on with Darktide in the last couple of months. And I think that's 100% understandable.
3 It also looks like having coupons for players participating in the book club was something more complex than previously thought.

So, I think they can't do everything all at once. They're focused right now on com-links and a more fluid communication with the community which has been requested a lot by said community.

So... Let's be patient, and this doesn't stop us from discussing books here anyway. 😉

[errant timber]

2 words to sum up the best 40k Book series I have ever read(aside from the classic Horus Heresy ofc) Ravenor Omnibus 🙂

[shrewd silo]

Man how thirsty was Ravernor.
Every 2 seconds he's talking about his teams plump and curvy body.

[slow pilot]

gate of bones is getting good

its cool hearing a the story form the perspective of the chaos worshipers

well reading

[slow pilot]

how are teh vaults of tera books

[slow pilot]

that's a weird way to spell Indomitus Crusade

[sage gale]

very good

[slow pilot]

when does it take place

[sage gale]

relatively modern

guilliman and the gang don't show up but IIRC it's 999.m41

yeah

@slow pilot it's 999.m41

so not quite indomitus crusade

but close enough

[sage gale]

There aren't many books that are actually like

in era indomitus

or if they do take place post guilliman

they tend to not care about era indomitus

our martyred lady is a good example
it takes palce post guilliman but has nothing to do with the indomitus crusade

and also follows greyfax, who is a bad character

[jaunty stratus]

I mean yes, but someone already pinged catfish and there wasn't even a respones, poor book club deserves more attention

[jaunty stratus]

I mean, gideon is in the forever box, how can you judge him so easily. I also doubt, that Gregor thought about some clever tools for his pupils other needs aside from oxygen and nutrition

something different: If I wanted to catch up the events around guillotines resurrection, which books schould I read? It looks like lots of it is handled in some codices and then there are lots of books where I don't know in what chronological order they should be read and how they are connected, there is like the dark imperium which is a series, i guess? Dawn of Fire, which is as I've read a new "horus heresy" kind of approach, somewhere is something about plague wars and a cawl book, or more? is there somewhere a legend like it exists for the horus heresy books or something to get a roadmap?

[shrewd silo]

Yeah I noticed how much he did it after the first book and realised how starved for physical contact he is.

[shrewd silo]

I only read lords of silence and that's a ok book.
It's death guard trying to figure out what's the right move after the big rift opened up

[forest spruce]

first one was good, im reading the second one

[digital saffron]

I think the Gathering Storm books cover his resurrection

Dunno about anything else

The Great Work, Cawl's book, is mostly just him walking around being an insane old man
Good book
But beyond commenting a few times on Decimus and his flashbacks it doesn't really cover anything like Gathering Storm

[open moss]

Anyone read Angron: the red angel yet?

[digital saffron]

Only excerpts

[jaunty stratus]

but isnt that in the codices or campaign books or something?

[digital saffron]

They are the campaign books ye

[drowsy urchin]

they were similar in vein with the current Arks of Omen books

or Psychic Awakening last edition

[digital saffron]

Except they sort of moved the plot forward

Unlike Psychic Awakening which did some grandstanding and
Went nowhere

[drowsy urchin]

yeah PA was pretty middling overall, AoO is more similar in that sense

[jaunty stratus]

so the earliest to catch up on the opining of the great rift seams dark imperium and then dawn of fire?

[frigid osprey]

Dawn of Fire is sooner after the great rift, chronologically

Cawl the Great Work is a good one to read imo

The sequence is the fluff from Gathering Storm, then Avenging Son (Dawn of Fire) picks up directly after

[jaunty stratus]

thank you all, will keep that in mind as soon as i start reading it

[plain flint]

im reading The Founding and im somewhat disappointed that Ghostmaker, following the masterclass that was First and Only, is a collection of short stories rather than a single narrative

honestly im tempted to skip it to Necropolis

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you wont miss much

Gaunts Ghosts have lots of books of varying quality, some unlikable ones will pop up in-between

[plain flint]

oh yeah there's that too

dismayed to find out there are what 16 books in the series

and naturally the physical availability is scarce

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but if you need to find them through other ways then its not really your fault now is it.

[plain flint]

meh, i like having the books physically

i tried reading Flight of The Eisenstein as an ebook and it didn't work very well

[tall phoenix]

The problem is Ghosts was a big mid 2000's series so you'll only either get the whole collection through PDFs or trophy hunting them through Amazon/Ebay

its how I got a copy of an old 40k book called Farseer

Theres something about holding an old book like that physically

[plain flint]

"although there is some urgency, we are in no rush"

so i can wait to get them tbh

[tall phoenix]

Yeee thats fair

[plain flint]

a relic basically innit

it was only recently that i started reading a lot so im expanding my bookshelf

[tall phoenix]

Pretty much

just the old artwork on the cover

instead of rehased releases with modern artworks on it

and just the slightly damaged pages

really gives it an Ye Olde Tome feeling

[plain flint]

idk i prefer the newer artwork

[plain flint]

also undamaged books

[tall phoenix]

Im a sucker for Adrian Smith

so alas we disagree

[plain flint]

i understand

[tall phoenix]

🤝

[plain flint]

although i do like some old covers as it depicts characters better sometimes

and places mentioned

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its great, a literal time-capsule at times

[plain flint]

like sure the fun of reading is to visualize with your imagination but ever since playing darktide, i have no idea what other hive cities are supposed to look like

or what the battlefield of fortis binary looks like

[hazy crypt]

Question: If I want to read books in chronological Order, should I first read:

• the "Dawn of Fire" Series (Avenging Son, Gate of Bones, Wolftime, etc) or
• the "Dark Imperium" Series (Dark Imperium, Plague War, Godblight) or
  does it not matter because these overlap timeline-wise?

[frigid osprey]

Dawn of Fire is before Dark Imperium

but also it doesn't matter

By all means read the first dawn of fire and then the first dark imperium

[graceful osprey]

^ dawn of fire takes place first but dark imperium was written first

either order works

[icy ingot]

can i realistically read the end and the death without reading the rest of the Horus heresy because i dont have that much time or patience to get through all of that

[meager trench]

Sure, just have the wiki open as you do

[slow pilot]

i think they changed the time period that the dawn of fire books happen

i think there was a disclaimer

that the books were edited

[digital saffron]

That was Dark Imperium

[slow pilot]

why are there no sisters of battle books

there aer some on kindle and stuff but none in print ever

i want to read The Triumph Of Saint Katherine

but its not printed

[graceful osprey]

it was dark imperium and it doesn't change that it takes place after dawn of fire

its just a decade or so later instead of centuries

[real crater]

Yo we talking infinite and divine?

[harsh meteor]

need official thread for it but that does not exist it seems

[drowsy urchin]

Does anyone know any good fan art or miniatures based on the Twice Dead King Necrons? Planning on creating an army with Oltyx and his dynasty and I'm looking for inspirations

[slow pilot]

chapter 24 of gate of bones was crazy

Custodes just demolishing heretics

good chunk of the book is a non stop action scene

[sage gale]

Based custodes

[harsh meteor]

@night marsh @small ember apologies for the ping amidst your busy times, but did the bookclub thing just get exterminatus´d?

[little gale]

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/warhammer40k-darkheresy-blackcrusade-onlywar-cubicle7games-books

i can recommend the TTRPGs. very fun. (according to rule 12 this fits the wiggle room)

[jaunty stratus]

that is a crazy good bundle

if you have friends who want to play with you

[little gale]

for example, in one of the only war games i am in, ork slaying on the very 1st session.

you can even use the dark heresy part to run a....game about playing as inquisitional acolytes cleaning a hive city of nurgle cultists....oh wait.

[icy ingot]

buddy of mine is gonna be hosting an only war game soon i cant wait to play it. i tried GMing a game a while ago but none of my players were interested enough to try it

from what i know about only war the best way to run it is to transition into a dark heresy game at some point because i think just being a soldier gets boring after a while

[random marlin]

It depends, I run a Wrath & Glory campaign which was first written as an Only War Campaign, and it's been going on for a few years now.

What you have to do is to treat the campaign as a TV show like Band of Brothers and it can be really fun. 🙂

[wet grove]

If anyone is into play by post gaming(forum based), I'm more than happy to share the website/group that I'm currently gaming with. Multiple ppl GM their game while being a player in others. I believe we got a Only War in a penal regiment game going with a DW game. Not overlapping story or anything.

[faint shard]

Cannont disagree more. If your GM knows his lore and can keep you engaged, being "just a soldier" is an amazing time. My old game ran for about 14 months and all we operated like any other squad in a company. Our ship did missions and dropped off guard for different rotations and helped in many different boarder conflicts, all wile being just soldiers. We also had 3 different characters each player so we had flexibility, which I think was a big part in it being SO fun and for its longevity. Then most of the players PCS'd and were split into 5 time zones and we called it after that.

Also gotta say that that same GM is about to do a Dark Heresy 2.0 game where we all just live in a hive-city and have nothing to do with the inquisition (yet).

[forest spruce]

Just dont catch a bolt shell on your way to the underhive

[quiet yew]

After reading nothing but Horus Heresy, I'm finally dipping my toes into Eisenhorn

I gotta say it's quite refreshing

[noble rune]

you just missed our eisenhorn book club! I went from Eisenhorn to Horus Heresy and I'm enjoying it as well

[digital saffron]

I might pick up one of the Eisenhorn books, which one is considered the "start"

[sage gale]

Eisenhorn Xenos is the cronologically first

and the first published

[digital saffron]

That makes things simple then

[sage gale]

they are published in cchronological order

except for magos

magos should be the last one you read

[sage gale]

Simple readinging order is

eishenhorn 1
eisenhorn 2
eisenhorn 3

Ravenor 1
ravenor 2
ravenor 3

bequin 1
bequin 2

somewhere in there the short stories

eisenhorn Magos

still waiting for bequin 3

[shrewd silo]

I thought magos was between rav 3 and bequin 1

[sage gale]

It is

but reading everything first helps

[shrewd silo]

I listened to e1,2,3 then magos then r123 b12

Magos was very confusing

Was gonna relisten to Magos after I finished b2 but just never felt like it

[sage gale]

ye

[plain parrot]

Fyi reading order

[jaunty stratus]

Uhm, so did they finally cancel the book discussion event, or was it just timeout by now?

[dusk vortex]

||Zephon, they killed my monkey||

🥹

[copper sphinx]

feels like they're just gonna let it die at this point.

[jaunty stratus]

Eh, shame, was fun with you all talking about the books and reading about different interpretations and experiences

[harsh meteor]

No idea, but I for one am saddened if this was it

[main plover]

we can still discuss the books here anyway, since black library never runs out of new stuff every month

[harsh meteor]

true well enough

but the club thingy just... fizzling out really fucking sucks

[copper sphinx]

kinda disappointing innit

[silk solar]

Are there any necron books besides IaD and tdk

[meager trench]

Kasrkin kind of is. A lot of the second half takes place from a Necron POV, pretty well done imo

[slow pilot]

i really only liked the first 2

the second was my favorite

he just stayed on scenes for too long and it started to get boring

[void vortex]

been listening to the Ahriman series and so far in Ahriman: Eternal there's be a bunch of dialogue where "The Most High Setek, He Who Bears The Black Disc" is concerned... though it is in the 4th book in the series

[spice zenith]

still no disscussion of the book

[quiet yew]

From an Eisenhorn book:

‘Do you know Gudrun?’ Maxilla was asking me.

I shook my head. ‘This will be my first visit. I have only been in this sub-sector a year or so.’

‘A fine place, though you’ll find it busy. There’s a month-long festival under way to celebrate the founding of a new guard regiment. If you have the time, I recommend the Imperial Academy of Fine Arts, and the guild museums in Dorsay.’

Imperial festivals sound like fun

[jaunty stratus]

panem et circi- circie- and games

[copper sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-hesdeadjim-gif-25579972

[magic sable]

Unfortunate, Infinite and the Divine is a real banger too

[jaunty stratus]

It was, yes, was a complete shift for me with a new perspective and the old geezer comedy is just the cherry on top

But I guess it's over now

[edgy zinc]

Books!?

I barely knew her!

[hearty musk]

Has anyone hear read the brand new angron book

[meager trench]

yeah, it was pretty good

not much angron in it, which is how you should do it when it comes to that daemon primarch specifically. its more about the effects of being around him

[forest spruce]

Angron doesnt have much of a character left anymore

[hearty musk]

Is there any book that needs to be read before that

[meager trench]

Not really

[hearty musk]

Good

[deft temple]

What are some Chapter specific books that go through the process of becoming a <insert chapter name here> Marine? Example; I am currently reading the Space Wolves trilogy which follows a character who goes from a simple human, through the process of initiation to becomign a Space Wolf. Are there any similar sagas for other chapters. I have found myself very interested in the actual process of recruitment and lore of the chapter.

[shy lark]

It's covered a little bit in Dante, iirc it's his childhood and stages of his life as a Space Marine including around the induction. I think the Dark Angels have one as well but I forget its name and The Eye of Medusa but I haven't read those

[noble rune]

What book goes into what happened to the emperor? I got 5 books into Horus Heresy but It seems like its meant to be sort of a vague plot point to add mystery and depth.

[jaunty stratus]

ye, there is a Dark Angels Horus Heresy book

Descent of Angels, sadly its quite boring and the overall story is kind of meh too, thanks to the Lions irrationality. But it describes a normal human becoming a knight of the order and later on a spess mahreen

Also the Deliverance Lost book is basically Corax playing my little space marine lab how to build space marines online fast, but the people are more the objects of the plot not the protagonists

[deft temple]

Do the horus heresy books need to be read in order?

[jaunty stratus]

if you roughly know who is who, no. The only books that follow a strict order and should be read in order are the first 4

[drowsy urchin]

http://www.kylebb.com/HH/HHSeriesOrder.html

[deft temple]

Cool. I have zero warhammer background. Space Wolves trilogy is my first dive into the lore at all

[drowsy urchin]

this is a good guideline

you don't have to follow it of course

[deft temple]

that is terrifying

[jaunty stratus]

oh and of course you should know at least the bigger events to set things into context, but especially the dark angels book is quite disconnected

so no need for that

[drowsy urchin]

When I started I found it exciting 😄

[deft temple]

So the different branches, right after the Flight of Eisenstein, is it dealers chooice one what to read?

[drowsy urchin]

yeah pretty much

[deft temple]

Space Wolves didnt make the list?

[drowsy urchin]

Fulgrim is the next one in release order

[jaunty stratus]

the floofers are connected to the thousand wizards

[deft temple]

Ah got it. Are Thousand Sons a good tandem with Space Wolves?

[drowsy urchin]

lots of books have space wolf elements for they were sent out to keep an eye out on most of the legions

they go at eachother's throats

[jaunty stratus]

lets call it "good" as in violent relationship

[deft temple]

Nice, lol. William King writes the trilogy, whom I really liking. Graham McNiel a good writer?

[drowsy urchin]

it depends

some of his work is middling but some is good

[jaunty stratus]

I think he did an outstanding job with this one, I really think he should need a lector when he writes about the emperors children

[drowsy urchin]

now that I rechecked his work he does put out some bangers

[jaunty stratus]

or at least someone who says "Graham, its enough, these 200 pages need to get shrinked down to 50"

[deft temple]

Oh boy, thats where my issues with early wheel of time robert jordan are

We dont need 4 pages describing this cabin we are in

Its the haunting legacy the Father of High Fantasy left us, Tolkien. DESCRIBE EVERYTHING

[jaunty stratus]

so far I've read all the HH series book up to Vulkan lives, all of McNeils books were at least good imo, I loved the coop work with Abnett with A thousand Sons and Prospero Burns, I love his Mechanicum book and even the Outcast Dead was cool, also everything about the Iron Warriors is a nobrainer. I just really don't like his work when its Emperors Children, because it has too many lengthy sessions that should be that long. But even these books did not make me regret reading them

[deft temple]

My goodness. A thousand sons has quite the price tag on amazon

[jaunty stratus]

Ye, can confirm with Tolkien, if his books weren't pioneers work, I doubt that they were that held high up. The style is...special

[drowsy urchin]

probably a second hand piece by someone trying to score big with an out of print book

the books do get cycled back into print every now and then

[jaunty stratus]

If you don't mind, look for audiobooks, they are relativly cheap

[drowsy urchin]

granted A Thousand Sons has pretty much the worst reader in the whole saga, not terrible but noticeably worse than the others

[shy lark]

Speaking of audiobooks, I noticed 15 Hours just got on Audible, is it worth a credit? I never read it back when

[jaunty stratus]

heh, lucky, that the german one is doing an awesome job, and he gets to read the whole HH series

[drowsy urchin]

that's a lot of reading

[jaunty stratus]

isnt it like 70ish books now?

[drowsy urchin]

the english verisons vary between mostly Gareth Armstrong and Toby Longworth and some others

oh and Jonathan Keeble

those three I named are brilliant

[deft temple]

is A Thousand Sons an omnibus, or a single book?

[drowsy urchin]

Toby is also one of the Ogryn voice actors for Darktide

single book

[jaunty stratus]

No Richard Reed? Loved his Infinite and Divine performance

[drowsy urchin]

he hasn't done any of the heresy no

don't think he was around doing audiobooks when they started doing the heresy

and yeah he is great

[jaunty stratus]

him and Helen Keeley with the two Bequin books are so far my go to readers when I have to switch to the english variant, clear voices and still good variance, so that it doesnt sound like they read a user manual

[deft temple]

Like Cane and Able violent, or Grumpy Old Men?

I hate you, but I sitll have your back

[jaunty stratus]

Cane and Able, on coke

[deft temple]

Sweet Wrexham. They are on the same side!

[jaunty stratus]

but it had an escalation arc, so its not like they meet each other and just want to kill each other

I don't want to spoiler anything, but there are reasons, some justified, some utterly stupid, but they still fit the mindset of the involved characters

[deft temple]

Im near the end of Book one of Space Wolves Arc, Wolf Claw. Should I pull back and start via the time line before continuing?

This entire first book is simply the recruitment process of Ragnar, so doesnt appear to be much interlinking with other storeis

[jaunty stratus]

At least with the Horus Heresy books I would say, they are not connected. I guess they follow their own story arc like the Uriel Ventris books and such

[hearty niche]

Arks of Omen book club session when?

[jaunty stratus]

we didnt even have our infinite and divine session

[forest spruce]

Some poeppe def did discuss the book anyways me included

[orchid herald]

i think they have forgotten about it or they decided that book club is far too diffuclt for a single person to run and mantain.

[jaunty stratus]

its fatshark, its probably both

[dusk vortex]

Did Horus just name ||Be'lakor|| as one of the Daemons fighting for him in The death and the end vol. 1?

Listening to the audio book so I mightve misheard

Ku'gath and N'kari are named but im unsure if i caught that name corrrectly

[drowsy urchin]

Ye there were pretty much every known named deamon present

Liked that part

[dusk vortex]

i dont know his 30k lore

i just know that in 40k he is a pretty cool guy and doens't afraid of anything and most importantly doesn't play nice with Chaos

[drowsy urchin]

that's the only time he's mentioned in 30k afaik

[meager trench]

More importantly, Ulkair was mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

And us dow 2 players were like the above

[magic sable]

That moment when Horus is briefly lucid and names every Daemon on the battlefield is so good

[little gale]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k-imperium-maledictum/supplement-plans

[plain parrot]

NE1 familiar with the 'knight of talassar' omnibus?

[quiet yew]

My brother

[meager trench]

it's just a collection sicarius related stories, all reprints

some are good some are aight

[plain parrot]

I'll just have to read them to find out, I went out on a whim and brought a copy.

[meager trench]

i remember not being particularly interested in assault on black reach, fall of damnos was ok, spear of macragge was typical SMB stuff, don't remember veil of darkness, don't remember master of the watch, and i kinda liked knights of macragge

[jaunty stratus]

when even warhammer somehow knows a way to black reach

[slow pilot]

I don't know why but I really like Fabien in dawn of fire.

[deft temple]

Anyone recommend any of the comics? There aren't many, which is odd because Warhammer 40k is uniquely positioned to do really well in comic format.

[magic sable]

Me too. Love the trope of a fairly reasonable person being thrown into a very unreasonable situation.

[slow pilot]

Even though the story doesn't revolve around him he feels like the main character. Like if this was a show he would be the narrator.

Damn Gate of bones and a large body count of main characters

Author woke up and chose violence

[magic sable]

I just finished Gate of Bones on Audible the other day, listening only it was hard to keep track of all the characters

[slow pilot]

I read at my computer desk and every time a new character is introduced I write down their name and a few words who they are. You should try it, it makes you remember who they are if you write it down.

[magic sable]

That’s a really good idea for when I’m doing at home reading, gonna try that out. Unfortunately I only listen to the audiobooks when I’m driving, not exactly easy to take notes while in the car lol

[slow pilot]

You can just write it when you get home.

Trust me it really helps

[magic sable]

Alright, I’ll give that a shot for sure

[slow pilot]

This was ny list for the first book. My handwriting is shit lol

My dog ate the first one

[magic sable]

Hey your handwriting is better than mine lol

[slow pilot]

i almost never write after i finished high school so my handwriting is bad now

[slow pilot]

so what book do you think amazon will go with

[plain parrot]

Gaunts ghosts is my bet

[sage gale]

none

i hope they run an original and unique story

[orchid herald]

If there running a story i want them to base it of last chancers but i wont surpise ne if it orginal. I just hope they have a good set of eriters take the regin of countrol for stories. Like grav thorpe . Chris wright. Rachel harrison or josh renyolds.

[slow pilot]

I like guy haley

[sage gale]

chris wright would be good, unironically dan abnett could be decent if given a real budget and a decent director

sandy mitchel (the guy who did cain) would also be pgood

and robert rath is full of surprises

[sage gale]

guy haley is an okay at best writer tbh, and i wouldn't want him incharge of a tv show

he's a notoriously okay writer when it comes to writing stories he doesn't care much about

see: anything he wrote for heresy, the beast arises

and when he writes about stuff he cares about

he's not bad, but not notably great

i genuinely think almost any other writer could have spearheaded dawn of fire and it would have likely been justa s good

[orchid herald]

the issues that comes with the writers is the creative freedom that they have. i wish that what was written by some of the authorise were made more main line in the lore. even thought apperantly it is, it isn't advertised or shown much look at justin D hill in his cadian serries. with new cadia. in Agripinaa system. in the 9th codex it goes throught the whole narrative story how Caida is destyroyed and that nothing can replace it. Dan Abbent is a unique win the sense he can prosecute a story within his "own" real that being the Magos-Guant ghost narratives. with mostly minor impacts on the lore of 40k. while thing published by Chris Wright , Rachel Harrison and Grav thorpe a somewhat Bound by the lore of 40k. such as Grav thrope Angels of Caliban which is a self referential novel that could actually be within the Dark angels Lore. while the 13 Penal legion does exist but it is constricted by what the limit of the Guard Capabilities. So long as the Author of the narrative is allowed complete Creative freedom and isn't laced within the bounds of the a respective Faction then the story will go well

[glass lintel]

Right:
Most Amazon originals are

A city street.
A spaceship.
A field/forest.
You get the occasional set piece, let's call it one per every 2.5 episodes.

Considering how CGI main characters would blow the budget, I expect either basic humans (guard, ecchlisiarchy is too extreme, I think Cavill is too weird about women to endorse SOB) or practical effect space marines who spend half of each episode with their helmets off.

I don't think they'll do Cain because Cain would be a good idea and funny, but I expect a Cain-like with a charismatic lead who's human, facing mostly planet-scale threats, and could be shot in some random sandy place The deserts of Sandilon V or a recycled set from The Expanse with some prayer seals put on it. The mighty Amazon-Class Cruiser, The Invincible II.

Same as Cain, whatever job it'll be will have our star who works in the Genocide Factory being all nice and noble, while the antagonist (beside some CGI Orkz/Tyrannids or extras in cultist paint because a general audience could understand those at face value) is the one doing their job at the Genocide Factory like the million other people in that role would actually do in the Imperium. Y'know: We have a good inquisitor who has to stop a bad one from wrongfully trying to Exterminatus a planet, or a good guardsman who has to stop a bad one from kicking a baby T'au through a field goal.

[digital saffron]

Cavill is weird around women?

[glass lintel]

Generally treats them on-set like you might treat an intern, dated a teenager when he was 30, said he was afraid to date any women during the #MeToo movement because he was 'afraid of being accused'.

He'd make a great Fulgrim.

[orchid herald]

They cant do cain as it is playing of black adder. Or Flash heart. Due to to the nature of them. The comedy for mordenday will be too brand dangrous. You dont see blackadder. Monty oython or goodies like comedy. But if they can many a sm that not ultramaines that would be nice. But maybe an iron hands or a preatorian guard or some other guard regiment would work

[glass lintel]

"What do you mean I can't do whatever I want? Consequences are for lesser people. Now, am I a golden god or what?"

[orchid herald]

I think gw and amazon are precious of their rep. So they are worried over backlash. Of amy kind.

[glass lintel]

I'm fairly certain the entire cast of Justice League has some skeleton in the closet. Gal Gadot herself defended the IDF and all during the (ongoing) Israeli-Palestine conflict.

Generally, it's safe to just search "Actor Name controversy" in Google before getting too attached to them, before you later realize they set a full schoolbus on fire in 2013 and got a $5,000 fine because jailtime would mean they couldn't appear in a Transformers movie later that month.

[shrewd silo]

I don't see cain working is a visual form because if you got to much internal monologue in live action it's feels awful.
It works way better in book and comic form and can even work in anime like bocchi the rock because of all the visual comedy

[mellow knot]

I am 100% in favour of not adapting anything that already exists. The 40k universe and lore is vast and deep enough that they could do something entirely original.

[shrewd silo]

Just like the halo tv show

[daring whale]

Anyone know a good place to start in warhammer Fantasy?

Also quick question about devastation of Bal. Should I read Dante first?

[tall phoenix]

Dante is only about the origin of the character itself, nothing much happens beyond it since its centered around the man himself.

[tall phoenix]

Same rule as 40k

Pick faction that interests you

Find their wikipage

Start reading

Branch out from there

[digital saffron]

I think Shield of Baal is the thing that it follows up on?

[meager trench]

Yep

[orchid herald]

I woulnt say dante is orginal i would say he is calgur 2.0, due to his standing in the lore. Before the return of the bigblue primarch. He was the pinnicle of SM existence. Dante has shifted the focus aa heir of the imperium. I would say the orginal tabletop character is lukas the trickster or maybe lazzurs of the dark angels. Since there lore is minniumal and there story doesnt have too heavy umpact in the lore of 40k.

[magic sable]

Still think the show is gonna be either Eisenhorn or Gaunt’s

I think Eisenhorn as that gives the most opportunity for 40k specific stuff like Space Marines, Chaos, etc

Gaunt’s Ghosts would still be good but it’s just Sharpe in space

I think there’s going to be a very sizable budget involved in the show. My reasoning being, it’s pretty obvious that all the streamlining mentioned in the teasers for 10th edition, besides cribbing from AoS, are intended to draw in new players. New players coming from this Amazon show, ideally. Big budget flashiness will make it more likely to draw in new people to the hobby.

[shrewd silo]

Tbh I think it will just be a space marine snore fest.
Hoping for a more human vs alien with chaos traitors mixed into the army.
Also have space marines but make everything to do with them from the human guardsmen perspective so they are truly super OP unstoppable killing machines that rush points that no guardsmen would ever survive

[orchid herald]

There hasnt really be much stuff realse on primaris phobos stuff. I think the closes that comes is the gel auido book which talks about the mordthyden (shadiw warden) return.

[meager trench]

blood of iax was pretty good, came out a while ago when the primaris marines had been introduced, focused more on just general primaris marines than any specific units

[hollow coral]

I’m fairly sure there are some books for Space Hulk

[sage gale]

theres a caiphas cain book, the emperor's finest, that follows some reciamers termies thru a spacehulk

[sage gale]

Ye it's like

the 7th book in the series

and its def not the best

but it was some pgood space marine scenes

while getting some good cain hero action in

[swift beacon]

so this is spoilers for the Siege of Terra: The end and the death. ||So Malcador (I think) believes the Emperor never truly hated his sons, he thinks that once the war is over. He and his sons would finally enjoy the long peace, and he would rehabilitate his sons that suffer the most in warfare (Konrad, Dorn, Perturabo, Angron, Ferrus, Mortarion, and Sanguinius). Malcador goes even further, that the emperor would be greatly sadden if one of his sons died. What do you guys think? This part kinda interest me because there’s so many people that thinks he never loved them. Also I’m still reading the book at this point.||

[main plover]

||Maybe a retcon, but this is Malcador’s perception and not the Emperor’s anyway so who knows if that’s really how he felt with his sons.||

[sage gale]

||He says the exact oppoaite later in the book, where big E had planned to basically cull them one by one, or atleast cull the ones who were only usefull in war one by one, like angron||

[onyx kite]

I need someone to explain the beginning of this book for me, I'm lost. Got "The Founding" on a recommendation from this server and it's all over the place. 47 pages in and I've seen 4 different settings at 4 different times. Gaunt in the tunnels in Formal Prime as a commissar, then LaHain in Nubila Reach, then Gaunt again but 20 years ago as a cadet, then a group of 'Ghosts' in trenches on the forgeworld Fortis Binary.

I cannot keep track of who/when/where, does the whole series jump around like this? Never read any Warhammer stuff before

[plain parrot]

It's just the narrative flow Dan went with, nothing new if you have read before. Think of movie thats setting up characters and themes with flash backs and location changes.

[shrewd silo]

No it's normally just focuses on the ghosts or guant.
After the first book the second is a bunch of short stories that give a lot more character to the members.
After that they are pretty much 0 flash backs and just war books jumping between the squads of the ghosts fighting chaos.
First 2 books have a bunch of flash backs because he's trying to establish guant.
My favourites books are necropolis, traitor general and armor of contempt

Also on another note does any one like Mark of calth (HH25)

It's kinda boring and I'm a third of the way though

[sage gale]

mark of calth is OK

know no fear was good

and MoC doesn't do KNF justice imo

[jaunty stratus]

Its basically Gaunts Ghosts: Lost Edition. Or "Flashback: The book". It establishes characters but gets a streamlined plot towards the end, its about the location between all the flashbacks

[jaunty stratus]

it had some cool storys, but yeah, overall it was a boring one, comparable to the dark angels books. the last two storys are neat though

[cedar surge]

The 2nd book is mostly flashbacks with a small overarching plot woven in, from what I remember the first kind of works several plots at the same time while jumping around a lot

Wasn't the 2nd written first as just some short stories anyway?

[shrewd silo]

Yeah second doesn't jump around everywhere like 1 does.
Actions happening and you get flash backs in-between the action while book 2 is just contained short stories that start and end fully then move on to a new story.

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/29/the-hunt-is-on-in-the-lion-son-of-the-forest/

Well well well

Mike Brooks, colour me interested

[jaunty stratus]

intersting, he looks way younger in that cover art, but the resolution isn't that good either

and plottwist: Brooks pulls a Metal Gear Kojima move and after 50 pages the main character is Ufthak

[drowsy urchin]

dunno looks pretty old to me

and yeah think this book will be fire

[meager trench]

They're finally actually coordinating a novel to correspond with current events

Praise be

[tall phoenix]

Oh my god that was an "I"

I thought it read:

3 Failed my father
3 fear 3 also failed my brothers.
3 do not wish to fail my sons

I was very confused

[drowsy urchin]

[plain parrot]

So no, but yes. Lol

[meager trench]

Wow Brooks said he finished this novel early last year. BL definitely has a ton of novels queued up

[shrewd silo]

Yeah the main thing is first book is confusing while the second is not

[slow pilot]

Not a fan of wolftime because the space wolf's are so annoying

[orchid herald]

How the sw annoying

[proud haven]

Finally finished the Eisenhorn omnibus. What a fantastic series perhaps my favourite in recent times

[slow pilot]

they talk like a bunch of kids larping

cant fallow a single thing they say and they use more then one name for all the characters so i keep getting lost and having to google.

[vernal remnant]

Space vikings: cool

Space Wolves of the wolfpack led by wolf lords riding thunder wolves, counselled by wolf priests, in danger of becoming wulfen, waiting until the wolftime: tired

[radiant ridge]

any dark coil fans?

haven't been able to find out if he's planning to write more after The Reverie, love all his books

[jaunty stratus]

I mean yes, but more like Gerard Butler old, not Charles Dance old

[drowsy urchin]

True true

[random marlin]

I am, and there are (or at least were) a few more of us here.

Peter Fehervari has written several short stories after The Reverie, such as NightBleed and Aria Arcana. I'm not sure he has another BL novel planned for the moment.

[mellow knot]

Morning, my book reading lovelies

[jaunty stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-hi-there-greetings-gif-9442662

[radiant ridge]

Aria Arcana is a new one! I'll have to read it. It's a niche of a niche, but the books are so good.

[open moss]

Was he stuck on an island full of mutant children? Because that is what the name implies

[slow pilot]

is that game any good

[open moss]

No idea

[hearty musk]

Fr they should take inspiration from God of War and use a lot of other Norse stuff. Boars, Bears and whatnot were all Norse stuff. Ravens as well

[slow pilot]

Don't you mean take inspiration from norse mythology

God of war didn't make up norse lore

They changed it

[hearty musk]

Ya that’s what I meant. Take stuff and then change it

I know that they weren’t the origin lol

[random marlin]

Agreed. I'm sad Peter Fehervari will stay a niche author, but it is what it is.

[slow pilot]

But the new gow games suck

They are just movies

[magic sable]

Anyone read Apocalypse by Josh Reynolds? Listening to the audiobook right now, about two chapters in but it’s excellent

[tacit raft]

its new novel about primaris marines bolter porn

[magic sable]

That’s like 50% of black library tbf

[digital saffron]

It has some rather fun bits

[meager trench]

not a new novel, came out a while ago

[grand vine]

tbh i always assumed the space wolves were just viking larpers when i heard the planet they are from was called fenrir or something. friggin norweigaboos

[rose abyss]

well they were, but then GW hired a furry

[marsh delta]

Finished reading "Fifteen Hours" it feels like a 40k version of all is quiet on the western front but with more violence and orks

[radiant ridge]

that's a great book. if you're up for more guard stuff Fire Caste is one of the best imo

[marsh delta]

I love anything guard related or the equivalent of the average man in 40k regardless of species

[shrewd silo]

You read guants ghosts?
In book 8 they go onto a chaos world and you learn about what happens to the population of a once loyal world once it's enslaved to chaos.

[marsh delta]

Not yet, but now I'm going to

[glossy dove]

The cadia series focused on Minka Lesk is very guard heavy

[frail tundra]

<@&735928989146939404>

[mellow knot]

Thanks for the tag. One of those rare moments I was online at the same time!

[placid cypress]

Warhawk is now my favorite SOT book: ||Erebus shit talking Erda is a work of art for her enhanced intergalactic selfishness and stupidity||

[digital saffron]

What does he say

I'm curious

[placid cypress]

it is just an act. the HH books show you how smart they are much like the Scars

[placid cypress]

he said he had to meet the person who started the war for Chaos because Erda is worshipped as a psuedo goddess in the Warp for her stupidity and brags about he is the brain child behind the whole heresy

[digital saffron]

To quote Lukas
"It's all an act meant to delude ruthless killers into thinking they're heroes" or something

[placid cypress]

they dont think they are heroes...they just like baiting everyone into the mindset of the barbarian but they are in actuality the Knight

[digital saffron]

They might've lost the pot

[placid cypress]

Damn Stoics

The Khan shot him a heavy-lidded stare. ‘I heard you do strange things to your warriors.’

Fulgrim’s slender face briefly flared with anger, but Sanguinius laughed.

‘I wonder which one of you would win in a duel,’ the Angel mused. ‘I would like to see that. You both handle a blade like gods.’

‘Name the place, brother,’ Fulgrim said to the Khan. ‘I’d even travel to Chogoris, if you built a palace to keep the dust from my armour.’

The Khan felt the insult. It stabbed at him, deeply, but his expression never changed. They could never know, none of them, how much their closed fraternity rankled him.

‘You would lose,’ said the Khan.

Fulgrim grinned, but there was something fragile in it. ‘Oh?’

‘You would lose because you would treat it like a game, like you treat everything, and I would not. You would lose because you know nothing of me, and I know everything of you because you shout it from the turrets of your battle cruisers. My prowess remains unknown. You have some reputation as a swordsman, brother, but I make no boast when I tell you I would leave you choking on it.’

Fulgrim’s cheeks flushed. For a moment, he looked like he would go for his blade. As ever, Sanguinius’s calm smile soothed the moment. "Scars"

[ancient dagger]

Best book to start reading about the Sisters of Battle recommendations please.

[tall phoenix]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/sisters-of-battle-omnibus-ebook.html

[ancient dagger]

tyvm

[tall phoenix]

Np ❤️

the sisters also dont have TOO many books

so a simple google search will show you most of em

[meager trench]

Can't go wrong with any of Danie Ware's SoB stuff with either, they're good reads

[tall phoenix]

^

[slow pilot]

does any1 have a link to a lost of all the characters in the book wolftime

forgot to write them down and now im lost

[sage gale]

they should all be at the beginning

or are you on audible

[slow pilot]

paperback

THIS WAS HERE THE WHOLE TIME!

[sage gale]

yes

it's in most of the novals with alot of characters

it's the dramatis personae

[slow pilot]

i hate myself

i have been writting down all the charctrers names

[sage gale]

it's not in all the novels

[slow pilot]

i need to start over lol

why is there a character named orad and another named orads

[slow pilot]

Gav Thorpe is bad at explaining things

[feral atlas]

I just started reading Mechanicum: The Horus Heresy I'm very new to 40k So far i'm really enjoying it.

[jaunty stratus]

good pick, was a fun read, I did not like all the mech stuff, after reading it, I bought mechwarrior and battletech
also the Daria arc was a fun adventure read

[icy ingot]

Eisenhorn the magos is hands down my favorite book so far in 40k

Something about it is just great

[slow pilot]

What number is that

[icy ingot]

4 but it also has the collective short stories of eisenhorn and the friends

[radiant ridge]

requiem infernal is a fantastic adepta sororitas book. Has the hospitallers in addition to battle.

magos is great, the whole eisenhorn-ravenor arc is great, the gaps between books are so, so long rn though

re-reading saturnine myself, well listening, I wanted to hear parts of it in audiobook format and it has definitely been worth it

[noble turret]

Geez, you missed out on all the Stackpole fiction? 🤔

[young rover]

I just finished reading Horus Rising

[jaunty stratus]

just have to finish the horus heresy series and getting up to date with what happened after gman revive, then maybe

and yes, it will take some time

[frigid osprey]

Just a short weekend's reading!!

[swift beacon]

This is so weird for me, i know some of the major points for the horus heresy. But only read 1/3 of the horus heresy. I really need to finish them

[jaunty stratus]

I mean, lots of the books really are fillers or just fluff, so they aren't really needed. But the neurotic completionist in me demands the 100% run. And I serve

[forest spruce]

i love this quote

[glass lintel]

The entire series is just filler between moments mentioned in the margins of a second-edition rules book, a cool piece of art from a codex, and made to release with a brand new model.

You'll read a 300-page book that people only mention because Leman Russ ate a tank in it or someone said a neat paragraph in the same chapter as some like "Angron growled angrily."

[shrewd silo]

Tbh most of the best books just have good character drama like all stories.
A lot of the once I recent got though I can't remember and single character

Like betrayer and angle exterminatis were great

Fear to tread was completely forgettable for me.

But that's HH
Best 40k books are stuff like guant, cain, first 5 HH books and esinhorn that have memorable casts.

[slow pilot]

@sage gale do most people not like guy Haley or just you?

[sage gale]

he's conentious

some people like hium

i'd say more people dont than do

but

idk

[meager trench]

lmao there's a very vocal minority of people who froth at his mere mention

[slow pilot]

(looks at purist)

[glass lintel]

I can't believe you put Ciaphas Cain in the same line-up as Gruff Military Veteran, Gruff Military Veteran, 'Little Horus', and three -addon/-eddon names as 'memorable'.

[shrewd silo]

Well cain really is just cain, Jurgen and ambily.
There's Lokin Saul and Garro.
Guant is really like 4 different well written characters and then a bunch of loveable side kicks. And the well written characters change book to book to

Esinhorn is great and all but after getting though the whole seires I really just remember esinhorn bequin and not to much else while I remember most of the cast of ravanor

And these are the 40k I really love

[jaunty stratus]

That's a bit harsh on the series. There are some nice and cool storys like the alpha legion book or mechanicum. Same with the Prospero burns and thousand sons book. The problem is the "dark angels" - type of books. They really are just fillers

[glass lintel]

My issue was especially with the early entries to the series: HH initial run, Gaunt's, Eisenhorn.

Those were right on the cusp of Warhammer breaking from it's oh-so childish satirization of Grimdark, fascism, and theocracy. As such, they were the prelude of bringing Warhammer more in-line with it's peers of gruff, veteran military men fighting against improbable odds to become heroes of a villainous state.

The exception to this are unfortunately locked within the same series. Khârn, Sevetar, and Guiliman - some of the best-written characters in seen in sci-fi as a whole - can't change anything. The lore was written in in the 80s and 90s, and the primarchs are the main characters.

Cain is the only character who seems to be aware of this, and that series is so welcome for someone who can be afraid, and has no illusions that their gene-daddy, their state, or the forces-that-be , would bail him out if he failed. There's still a lot of deus ex machina, but he doesn't know that, and therefore only takes risks that might save his ass or keep the few good peoole he knows in the galaxy alive.

[magic sable]

I think Little Horus is pretty memorable

He got his face cut off

[vestal jungle]

I don’t know anything about little Horus but i hear about him a lot in other stories

[orchid herald]

has anyone gotten the Bookclub frame?

[drowsy urchin]

I have

[glass lintel]

There's a frame?

I didn't do the I&D club because I already read it twice. Didn't know there was swag involved.

[marsh delta]

Does anyone have a good guard book written from the perspective of a average Guardsman? Something akin to "Forever War" or "All Quiet on the Western Front", I already "Fifteen Hours" it themes of the latter and a bit of FMJ

[radiant ridge]

gaunt's ghosts is good, but the style varies. closest to all quiet would probably be #6, Straight Silver

fire caste is more psychological horror, but is from the 'average guardsman' perspective

fifteen hours is probably the best one in that particular style

gunheads and cadian blood in the 2nd IG omnibus are both good

[radiant ridge]

readable but you gotta pretend it's like greek mythology being retold with dramatic effect. lot of long monologues/moustache twirling that doesn't fit with what's happening in the book, but the action sequences are good

[onyx kite]

small question - what do Commissars normally carry? Getting close to the end of the first Gaunt book and he's had a bolt pistol on him the whole time, then in one scene "Gaunt rolled as he dived, pulling out his laspistol" - an inconsistency or extra guns or what?

I'm not nitpicking, this is my first 40k book and 100% of the setting is new to me

[wicked tree]

I would say their loadout depends on what's available to be requisitioned as well as the commissars preference

[tall phoenix]

Inconsistency.

[tall phoenix]

Nitpick as you wish, theres as many good 40k books as theres bad ones

[onyx kite]

I'm not expecting great literature, just cool space battles

Happy so far

Guess you can't have a dramatic moment where his battery was drained by chaos if he has a bolter with no battery to drain

[wicked tree]

lmao, true

[red portal]

Started listening to the Gaunt's Ghosts audiobook on audible

It is so freakin' fire

[crisp sable]

Nice I’m reading it

[junior parrot]

What books about Kaptin Badruk are a good read

[slow pilot]

wolftime is the first warhammer book i couldn't finish

[raven goblet]

Don't hate me but is there a site to read/download the Arks of Omen books just for the lore?

No point to buy it when I don't play the tabletop

[drowsy urchin]

Arbitor Ian has gone through the lore of the books on youtube if that's good enough for you

[slow pilot]

Library is growing

[cunning loom]

Guess the reference: “Cap’n Rat”

[hearty musk]

Amazing

Does anyone have any good books about the Iron Hands?

[orchid herald]

there is a good lore supplment from 7th called clan rukkan see if you can find a copy of it online.

[meager trench]

Wrath of Iron is a classic, Iron Hands is an old, old, old novel that i remember being aight

[jaunty stratus]

where hereticus?

[spiral panther]

are you the real garviel loken

[frigid osprey]

For 40k (rather than the Heresy):

• David Guymer's Eye of Medusa and Voice of Mars
• Chris Wraight's Wrath of Iron
  Those are the best ones, then, further reading:
• Matt Westbrook's Medusan Wings
• Jonathan Green's Iron Hands (old but worth reading)
  Some short stories:
  Cameron Johnson's Faith in Iron
  Chris Wraight's Flesh
  Anthony Reynolds' The Blessing of Iron and The Memory of Flesh

🤓

[slow pilot]

My my desk

[jaunty stratus]

good

[onyx kite]

Abnett sure does love killing guardsmen. On the second book of Gaunt's Ghosts and they just lost "over three hundred" in a single incident, plus the fifty or so from the battle before and the handfuls and dozens he kills off in other scenes. There were only like 1,000 Tanith from the beginning right? At this rate the series is going to end as a buddy cop show with just Gaunt and Corbec left alive.

[tall phoenix]

Guard regiments recruit locally at each pit stop and if necessary, will get merged together.

Its a part of the tragic way of war for the most part with the Ghosts.

[shrewd silo]

I think it was 3000 or 5000 he got off world before it blew but yeah they lose a lot of men.

They do be fighting endless war

[hearty musk]

Most underrated Chapter/Legion fr

[cedar surge]

3500 got out says this wiki page, which were then slimmed quite a bit in the first books yea

[plain flint]

i finished reading Flight of The Eisenstein yesterday and it has very quickly become one of my all time favorite books

now im on to Fulgrim, also looking forward to reading The Saint omnibus after the conclusion of The Founding

[graceful sun]

Any good stories about the Crimson Fists out there? They seem unappreciated, but I think they're cool.

[spiral panther]

Vaults of Terra is a very good read too

[wicked tree]

Rynn’s World is always a solid CF choice. Recently made an audiobook

[glass lintel]

Getting through Assassinorium: Kingmaker.
Adding it to the list of books about smart characters written by authors who are good at making multiple surface-level understandings of different strategies/technologies/cultures work, but not in great detail. Y'know:

"Our character is a genius because the threat that has endangered him for the entire story failed to see a trap that would've taken the protagonist two sentences to avoid."
See, the majority of main character/primarch books where they win because
"The enemy couldn't possibly have forseeen us abandoning our ranged weapons to charge them with melee/a ship ram."
"The book revealed the sketchy guy was a traitor, but the protagonist just revealed that They guessed as much since page one without informing the reader."
"They were able to overcome their shortcoming which was mentioned twice per chapter for fifteen chapters when it was the most convenient possible time to do so, when it would have killed them every other time."

[random marlin]

So, I get that you didn't enjoy it too much?

[meager trench]

Idgi those are very confusing comparisons/complaints. I personally liked it, my main issue with it was that it didn't really market that it's like 50% a knight novel

[slow pilot]

I think it was a mistake to read all the dawn of fire books in a row

I'm getting burnt out

[tall phoenix]

Yeah id agree

Dawn of Fire unfortunately is incredibly mediocre. I'd have just recommended Gate of Bones and Throne of Light.

and reading the others in summary format

[drowsy urchin]

last one I went through was wolftime and yeah it wasn't worth it

[tacit raft]

Dawn of fire wolves book is not ok imo. But recent Iron Kingdom, after reading Kingmaker, felt good. In my image dawn of fire plot is too "slow". Almost like they try to fill the gap between THE LION RETURN!!! and Indomitus crusade with, as previously mentioned, mediocre novels

When i was reading new Angron stuff i thought they want to tether it to Dawn of Fire novels when they ||mentioned Astropathic Relay, i thought yeah fook it, fook Srinagar. But it appeared to be Malakbael planet. so yeah, probably the same story as vigilus.||

[slow pilot]

i really liked the first book but i feel like the only good ones are by guy haley

[tall phoenix]

Pretty much

[slow pilot]

how is dark imperium

[drowsy urchin]

it's alright

all the nurgle stuff in them is great

guilliman is great

over all story is alright

[slow pilot]

love nurgle storys

[drowsy urchin]

then you'll probably like them

[slow pilot]

just bought all 3

gana read them after the iron kingdom

[forest spruce]

I enjoyed the trilogy

[slow pilot]

the best parts of teh dawn of fire books are when characters with separate story's cross paths.

[glass lintel]

Dilara stated that there are as many good 40k books as bad, and I was going to disagree with it before I realized that a lot of them are mediocre, and I just consider a lot of those "eh" books as, say, losing an extra point or two out of five by virtue of utilizing the setting.

Kingmaker has some really cool scenes. However, it borrows stylistically from the Horus Heresy books a lot in that many of these books and the literary setting overall are built upon really cool blurbs in the margins of rules books that tried to convince you to buy Space Man #7 to go with Space Man #1-#6, which you bought because of how cool the Space Man was.

What this means a lot of the time is that you have these incredibly strong speeches and set-pieces at times, which do have some incredible choreography, delivery, and melodrama . . . but lack connective tissue. This most often manifests as

🇦 Decent story, but much of the setting feels like pieces and vocabulary are tactically swapped from another Sci-Fi story.
We get very few Space Marine stories that follow the very 40k arc of child-neophyte-marine-veteran-dreadnought which has no similar equivalences, and instead have someone remain in the same stage of their life/career throughout their story, like most stories about Jedi, (Halo) Spartans, or other generic space-warriors. Hell, a lot of guardsman stories keep the central cast in this incredibly-expendable faction around for multiple novels, unlike the All Guardsman Party that took advantage and told the squad's story while letting individual members die.

[glass lintel]

🅱️ Great use of the setting, but lackluster characters.
Garviel Loken is a boy scout. In the first books of the HH heresy, he could effectively have every line replaced with "I'm not sure about this, but if Dad says it's okay. . ." and the story would be unaffected. He achieves the highest honor a Luna Wolf could possibly achieve in just about the second chapter, before we see him accomplish much of anything. Likewise, Horus' line is "Dammit, dad!" He achieves the highest honor a Primarch could possibly achieve in the first book, raises several legitimate grievances with the imperium and Emperor, but only acts in defiance of either after getting poked with a stinky knife and having a bad dream. Why? 'cuz a book said that. The authors describe some excellent imagery that could, truly, only exist in 40k . . . and fill them with some inconsistent, cookie-cutter characters likely because someone had the brilliant idea that the first four books to establish the foundation of a setting would have four different authors.

In a way, surviving more than a few books challenges a lot of the setting's own themes, and just doesn't make for good literature. If someone can survive seventeen books (Horus Heresy, Gaunt's Ghosts), then a civilization built on being a warcrime factory in order to survive the hyper-lethal galaxy can't really be that lethal, right? Additionally, we can see a character arc develop over the course of a book or three if done well, but for an extended narrative, you'd either have to maintain a fresh arc every few books/each book, or just have a stagnant character who does not grow or adapt with the narrative.

The All Guardsman Party spoiled Guard books for me, Nightlords ruined Space Marine books. Both were introductions to the setting that informed my expectations from it.

Both take a very Ship of Theseus approach to their central teams, where - because of how shitty and violent the setting is - characters will be picked off, there will be losses, and the survivors won't make it out whole. Moreso in Nightlords than TAGP thanks to it being a planned narrative and not a group improv sesh, but it also explores what being in that team means to each individual member, and explores what happens when it tries to operate while missing a crucial piece to it's success.

[cunning loom]

Where do I start with all guardsman party? Isn’t it fanmade or something?

[glass lintel]

It is. Tale Forge has my favorite delivery of it in narrative form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7ZebsCFZk&list=PLvXz4ii9fJ82n17FZn1v5AJa_kyGFur3g

[cunning loom]

Thanks

Now I want an official imperial guard book where the individual characters don’t live very long after being introduced but together they achieve something great

[glass lintel]

I've been looking for it, and will let you know if I find it. Night Lords is the closest I've gotten so far, and I'm generally holding back from the HH books as they have a lot of hero worship and can't have individuals who affect the larger story.

[slow pilot]

holy shit a character really said "the shooter suicided himself"

best line ever

[glass lintel]

"They died to death, Captain."

[digital saffron]

TAGP was very epic, it's what got me properly started on lore and made my like the idea of Inquisition stuff

[random marlin]

I tried reading TAGP and really didn't like it. But to each their own.

[meager trench]

Yeah

[tall phoenix]

Its pretty much the effect of having too many cooks in the kitchen, 40k is not really a high bar setting novels wise so you will unfortunately sometimes get a tide of eh/bad novels.

Its why people have top tier favorites and sometimes never mentioned excellent series' like the Macharius novels and such.

[slow pilot]

i sent a message to guy haley on twitter and he responded

[meager trench]

He responds to most things, tbh. Very active on Twitter. I've had several discussions with him on various things he's written. Actually a fair few BL authors are like that. Wraight, Brooks also respond

[slow pilot]

Thanks for killing the mood

Read the room dude

[meager trench]

[wary tulip]

any recommendations for iron hands audiobooks or paper books?

[meager trench]

just had a discussion on that

search iron hands, its like 2 days old

[mellow knot]

Hello, Bookish Types.

[forest spruce]

Howdy

What would ye like to discuss today my yellow friend

[mellow knot]

I'm just peeking in to see how y'all are doing.

[versed swan]

Hi, today i was on comic-con, saw a lot of Warhammer 40k cosplays and stuffs, im very hyped to really get deep into the 40k lore, i wanna try reading books, to this point i have only played Darktide. Does any of you got some full list of all books/comics, where to start etc.? On today´s comic-con i was looking for some books but only found comics, so i bought at least 2 of them, they were like 10e each 😄 but the books, could anyone help me? ty 🙂

[mellow knot]

There's a recommended reading list pinned to this channel - there's a LOT of stuff in the Warhammer back-catalogue.

[versed swan]

Oh i see, pardon

[mellow knot]

No worries! Hopefully that list will help you. 🙂

[versed swan]

Yeah sure thank you, about the comics i bought, those are "Sisters of Battle" and "Marneus Calgar", but its from Marvel 😄 im not quite sure if those from Marvel really match with the official Warhammer lore.

[meager trench]

Marvel and gw partnered for those

[versed swan]

so it is official, not any Marvel spin-off or smth like that

[meager trench]

Yeah

Marvel couldn't make retail comics about 40k if they didn't get an official partnership, GW would've hit em with a cease and desist

[barren flare]

Hey i just finished the first three Ciaphas Cain books and they were amazing! Anyone else here who enjoyed them?

[slow pilot]

without spoiling what do you think of The Iron Kingdom

[barren flare]

hadn't read it

[slow pilot]

My favorite inquisitor technique is when they sit down and just remind the person that he can do whatever he wants and get away with it.

[spiral panther]

The Lion book is coming next saturday, just a heads up

April 22nd

Son of the Forrest specifically I mean

[spiral panther]

I loved them, they continue to be good!

[meager trench]

Lion book is out today

[spiral panther]

Son of the forrest releases april 22nd

u mean arks of omen?

[meager trench]

no, son of the forest is available to buy now. arks of omen is on preorder

been reading it the entire day lmao

[orchid herald]

Ark of oman was on preorder but it sold out 2 minutes after upload. They need to print more.

[digital saffron]

They're busy printing money

[drowsy urchin]

the ark of omen books have become available again quite after initially being sold out

[magic sable]

Black Library says April 22nd preorder though?

At least for the ebook and audiobook

[meager trench]

They blast out novels early, it's the same with so many of their releases

Gw seems to have their releases working as they should, bl just shoots them out whenever they feel like it

[slow pilot]

why is there no mass produced paper back for something like this

[meager trench]

It's coming, it's just the ebooks they send out willy nilly

[orchid herald]

They base there supply on what there previous book sold like.

[slow pilot]

they didnt even make any

[meager trench]

mass market paperbacks usually come out a while afterwards iirc

or at least, what i remember of some novels, that was the case. i think the siege novels had paperbacks way later, etc

[slow pilot]

Kingmaker was audio first also

But this seems like a important book

[slow pilot]

finished throne of light

im looking at the reviews and everyone hates iron kingdom and says its filler

"This is a book. I listened to it. There were many names. Confusing names. Long names. Made up names. In all honesty, I’m not sure exactly what happened. Much of the time I was reading I was trying to avoid my girlfriend talking about her job."

best review lol

OH NO ITS THE SPACE WOLFS!!!

nope skipping

[orchid herald]

@slow pilot try and read one spacewolves that is Josh Reynolds Lukas Novel.

[hearty musk]

I’m reading Mortarian’s Primarch book and it’s starting off decent

I like him as a primarch

[tall phoenix]

Seconded after Shaeffer, Lukas the Trickster is great

its a half Dark Eldar/half Space Wolf book thats actually fun

[slow pilot]

i feel like the only good dawn of fire books are the ones by guy haley

i like that group of characters

[vernal remnant]

It's better than Wolftime (for what that's worth).

It's cool seeing the brutality of the Indomitus crusade's logistics elaborated on, ie stripping whole planets to function. + has the Marines Malevolant showing their inimitable brand of assholery. Other than that def fairly boilerplate though.

[obtuse elm]

did bookclub get their streak bonus this patch or did I not notice before now

[plain parrot]

Whats the story behind this frame?

...I'm making a pun and being serious at the same time fyi

[obtuse elm]

periodically FS was hosting a specific 40k book for bookclub, people who participated for several of those events were told there'd be undisclosed in game rewards, this assumedly is that.

[orchid herald]

I would think this is probable the inly one. As there seems to be no more book club. :(

[frail tundra]

if so that's too bad, i just started reading my first 40k book and am looking forward to participating in the future

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the channel is still active its more that the CM in charge of it got busy and can't run it anymore.

[buoyant saddle]

I blame darktide for this

[slow pilot]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2023/04/dan-abnett-talks-about-the-siege-of-terra-series-in-our-new-interview-ftn.html

[digital saffron]

For Halloween Dan dresses up as a monk and calls himself "Dan Abbott"

[slow pilot]

why would GW make a reprint of only book 3 in the vaults of tera storyline

[untold jungle]

so does horus heresy story not done ?

are these books being released

[meager trench]

Siege of terra still not done no

[tall phoenix]

Theres one more book left.

[digital saffron]

Then we can finally start the scouring!

[untold jungle]

and siege of terra is part of horus heresy yes?

[untold jungle]

how many in total roughly?

[meager trench]

more or less

the horus heresy branded series ended, but the story event itself won't finish until siege of terra finishes

i think there are two more volumes of the End and the Death left

[tall phoenix]

67

counting the Siege books

[meager trench]

2 away from perfection

[tall phoenix]

88 counting the Primarch books

97 counting the short stories

104 counting the audio dramas

[untold jungle]

yok eşşeğin ayağı

[tall phoenix]

128 counting Novellas

[meager trench]

[tall phoenix]

FUCKING HELL

IT DOESNT STOP

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_Series

CHRIST

[untold jungle]

pretty cool tho they write ongoing present series and wiriting history at the same time

[meager trench]

eh

HH was 95% too bloated

like when you go to a buffet and don't leave until it closes

why did you eat your sixth helping of chicken wings? no one knows, but you did, and now you're boutta float away into low earth orbit