40k-book-club

[dusky grove]

Best book set to start with?

[random marlin]

Check pinned messages 🙂

[glass lintel]

Pins

[dusky grove]

🫡

[rich raptor]

They're mostly bsd answers to mysteries that were better left unexplained

It's the classic example of how what fans want and what fans need are different things

I think the short story collections are a better starting point than the novels, honestly

[violet copper]

Would you recommend "Lord of the Dark Millennium: The Dan Abnett Collection" as a good one to start with?

[rich raptor]

I like dan abnett but haven't read that particular one. Probably it's good but also about half hos short stories are tie ins to his popular novel serieses

But his stand alone stories are quite good

I think the big omnibus short story book they msde was called Let the Galaxy Burn

[violet copper]

Will check that one out, thx!

[rich raptor]

I actually liked Abnett's standalone books like Brothers of the Snake snd Double Eagle. He has more creative freedom to write characters when not bound by the requirements of serialization

Best of Hammer snd Bolter is more recent and collects stories from their short story series

BL has samples of some of their books available online

https://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/b/brothers-of-the-snake-softback.pdf

[violet copper]

Very cool

[crisp geyser]

Those are both technically sabbats world stuff, characters from both are in the other sabbat books, with the phantine and such

[nova flume]

that's a fair opinion, personally i enjoyed the majority of the horus heresy so id have to disagree

for reference my favorite WH book is master of mankind so you can see where i get my takes lol

[split hedge]

anyone read the new inferno?

[cosmic stump]

definitely based on Napoleon

[cosmic stump]

that was the first time that the Emperor and the Custodies were given screen time

which set the new tune of the Emperor being a Cold Sun, more a Divine than a human

[subtle briar]

my friend is trying to tell me there is a black library series in warhammer 40k and im trying to tell him black library is the collection of warhammer 40k books, so what is the black library actually haha

[surreal solstice]

Yes.

[subtle briar]

????

lmao

[heavy juniper]

it's the name of the book publisher. and also https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Library

[subtle briar]

thank you

[midnight wind]

So I've been trying to find Warhawk that's the same size as Mortis to the left. On a few places it says the book will be released on the 23rd of April. Does that mean the smaller version will be released on the 23rd?

I'm a person who likes when my books of one series look the same

[analog escarp]

have yall covered eisenhorn books yet? I spent the last two years mowing through the horus heresy novels, and im ready to switch it up. picked up the first two gaunts ghosts and the eisenhorn omnibus

[rich raptor]

The Black Library is both GW's publishing arm and also an actual location in the 40k universe

It's the galaxy's most secret, most dangerous library

[thorn bison]

We just finished up the Eisenhorn trilogy

[analog escarp]

I MISSED IT NOOOOO

[thorn bison]

It was the first three books we covered I'm afraid

Next we're gonna read The Infinite and The Divine

[analog escarp]

well, its ythe first three books of my christmas season so ill be ok. at least that means there will be plenty of opputunities to discuss

[analog escarp]

excellent book

[thorn bison]

Certainly

Might be my all time favourite

At least top three

[oak moss]

what's your top three

I'd do, personally
Titanicus
Storm of Iron or any individual Night Lords Omnibus book
Infinite + Divine

in terms of enjoyment

heavily recommend the Skarsnik book which I read recently, it was much better than I expected

[thorn bison]

In no particular order:
Infinite and Divine
Night Lords Omnibus (I'm counting that as one book cause I can)
Spear of the Emperor

[oak moss]

yeah id count is as one book too probably

Lords of Silence is up there too

[thorn bison]

But honestly I haven't read anything by ADB that I didn't like so far

[oak moss]

imo hes the best author BL has for the quality of writing they go for

[thorn bison]

If I could add two to the list for a top 5 it'd be the Black legion duology (also counting as one) and Alpharius: Head of the Hydra

Head of the Hydra is easily the best The Primarchs book imo

But I might be biased as I love anything about the Alpha Legion

[oak moss]

im not big into alpha legion

I didn't love Legion nor Head of the Hydra

[thorn bison]

Understandable, every legion is an acquired taste

I think you're wrong of course but you are entitled to your own opinion

jk

[oak moss]

I think that until there's a 40k book that actually stands on its own as a piece of stellar writing it's kind of all moot

all we can talk about are books which are or aren't good as per the standard set, which IMO isn't a great standard

until that point it's kind of all up to taste

[thorn bison]

Yeah, that's the problem with discussing books I suppose

But at least we can bond over shared favourites

That's always something

[oak moss]

it's a problem of how derivative the setting is, as well as the less than 1% of funding GW gives BL

[marsh path]

im looking to get into some of these books, any first book recommendations.

[midnight pike]

death titan or titanicus

[swift beacon]

eisenhorn series, gaunts ghost series, or watchers of the throne.

[green jacinth]

CIAPHAS CAIN HERO OF THE IMPERIUM

[swift beacon]

Really? wow, that’s the first time i’ve heard someone not liking legion. give Shroud of the Night, or Harrowmaster a try.

[green jacinth]

Are there any good 40k books that heavily feature ogryn characters?

[swift beacon]

not that i can think of, there was beast arises series (i forgot which one they’re in). there was a couple of them, and remember them yelling ‘kill da orks for the emperor!”

[atomic rover]

HI

i have a question

for the book people

what are some good beginning books for me to read

for 40k

andddd

i guess fantasy/aos as well

i like the scaven

[oak moss]

I’m not big into the Cabal. Nor the setting. Nor the Alpha Legion

[swift beacon]

makes sense, everyone has their own favourite legion.

[swift beacon]

if you scroll up just a bit, i’ve mentioned some good series to start off. For the fantasy, im not too knowledgeable about that, sorry.

[green jacinth]

Ciaphas Cain! It explains itself well and has lots of contextual footnotes

[atomic rover]

thank u thank u

[atomic rover]

u too thannkkskssss

[stable glacier]

does anyone have an epub of "Butcher's Nails"? I have most of the horus heresy. just trying to finish out the collection

[calm venture]

Gaunt's Ghosts series is some of the best, so that's a good place

Ravenor and Eisenhorn series are great too as well as Ciaphas Cain as someone previously mentioned

For Fantasy, I still mainly read the old-world stuff

For that, Gotrek and Felix is a must

Also really did enjoy the Witchhunter omnibus about Matthias Thulmann

[random marlin]

Looking for some good beginner books to start reading 40k? Check the last pinned message of this room. :)

[hearty niche]

Thank you 🙏🏽

[thorn bison]

Wraithbone Phoenix

One of the two main characters is an ogryn

[cosmic stump]

Ciaphas Cain is actually better for someone who has good understanding of 40K

since he's not that Grimdark

[green jacinth]

It was my first, I actually preferred the lighter take

[cosmic stump]

for someone who is totally new for 40K, go for Dark Imperium or Horus Rising

[cosmic stump]

true, but only after a better look at 40K we saw Cain's different take to the story

for me I started with Know No Fear and since then I'm a fan of Ultramarines

Space Romans are coooooool

[jovial siren]

I have been enjoying Gaunt's Ghosts, in my opinion Ciaphas Cain is a better entry point into 40k fiction as I found the writing style easier to digest. I have also really liked the Kal Jericho stories and Sepulturum, which are more Necromunda-y.

[quaint siren]

Or just pick a faction and read their books. For me it’s Death Korps and Sisters of Battle

Dead Men Walking was more or less All Quiet on the Western Front in space. Requiem Infernal was easily the best 40k novel I’ve ever read though

[thorn bison]

I've read both Avenging Son and Saturnine so I'd probably pick the other three, though the two I already went through are really good

Saturnine is a banger

[nova flume]

It is mostly

I’d read the three siege of terra books

Just bc it’ll be the most cohesive reading experience

[thorn bison]

I read Saturnine first cause friends told me it was good

Bought the other ones later but have yet to read them

you don't need to read them in order but as Matty said, it'll provide a more cohesive experience

[noble rune]

I was reading the recommended reading pinned message and noticied The Horus Heresy is originally a trilogy. Some other post elsewhere said to read the first 5 books. Does anyone have an opinion? Im on Flight of the Eisenstein and it good but feels so different so I dont want to press on to Fulgrim if I'm going to go down too many rabbit trails. I really just want to find a good stopping point to have gotten the gist of what went down in that time.

[mellow knot]

Of interest to many of you! (Also makes me happy for the shout out to my Silver Skulls <3)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/07/get-your-thinking-caps-on-black-library-open-submission-window-is-coming-early-2023/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=black-library&utm_content=plusarticle07122022&fbclid=IwAR2R5txIrwzzyuxScV8XAsofN86jE1ae8pyFF5zegaeuRLA3oePof9GbTqo

[mellow knot]

The first three are self contained - but FotE in particular really adds to it. Fulgrim feels more separate.

[noble rune]

Ok thats helpful thank you

[dusky grove]

Hey what are some good books about the Grey Knights?

[random marlin]

Looking for some good beginner books to start reading 40k? Check the last pinned message of this room! :)

[heavy juniper]

emperor’s gift is good. the grey knights trilogy is very uneven but ok overall, some really great and not so great parts to each (grey knights, dark adeptus and hammer of daemons). havent read the david annandale castellan crowe books yet. the garro and knights errant/malcador/garviel loken stuff from horus heresy is also relevant for grey knights.

[clear dust]

Actually the flight of the eisenstein is also recommended since it continues the plot while Fulgrim explains the corruption of the Emperor's Children legion and only in the last chapters forwards the plot ||by killing one ...||

Did someone enjoy the First Heretic ? I started to like the Word Bearers just little bit not to much.

[velvet steeple]

I've got a question regarding the Dan Abnett Inquisitor books: What's the recommended reading order once I'm done with the original trilogy? I'm currently reading (well, listening to) Hereticus, and I'm sort of wondering if the right direction to go would be to follow publication dates and start Ravenor trilogy, or go for Magos next and then Ravenor.

[clear dust]

There is a timeline and chronology order in Magos book how the author sees how the books should be read. https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/83wmu6/what_is_the_chronological_reading_order_for/

[velvet steeple]

Thanks 🙂

Now I'll only have the hard choice of whether I should buy Magos to listen to all the short stories up to Playing Patience, and then wait until mid-January for my next credit and Ravenor, or go directly to Ravenor and save the short stories for later 😛

[thorn bison]

First Heretic is very good and if you decide to read it make sure to read Betrayer right after

They're a duo of sorts

[clear dust]

So i should not continue with Prospero Burns

First Betrayer then Prospero burns

[thorn bison]

You can read that one afterwards but they're not connected in the same way Heretic and Betrayer are

Yeah

[clear dust]

Thanks for the advice

[thorn bison]

Prospero is a good one as well but is connected to a different arc of the story

No problem

[clear dust]

To the Magnus and Russ to be more precise picks up after Thousand sons

[thorn bison]

Yeah exactly, it all surrounds that while Heretic and Betrayer cover the Shadow Crusade (WB and WE invading Ultramar)

Two staggeringly different events but equally important if you ask me

[clear dust]

Yeah felt that the Battle for the abyss should be after the First Heretic

Since it just jumps into the confict right away

[thorn bison]

Yeah, H and B cover the before and after more while Abyss covers one of the major engagements during the Crusade

[clear dust]

Magos Since if you ask me it's worth while after that Ravenor

[velvet steeple]

Just to read the short stories, or to read it all including the novel?

[clear dust]

Just to read up to Revenor

[velvet steeple]

ok, thanks 🙂

[clear dust]

To be more precise Playing Patience (short) until this

Since the next story will be Thorn Wishes Talon (short)

That will spoil a lot of things if you did not read Revenor

But be carefull Revenor is a bit different then Eisenhorn honest opinion

[velvet steeple]

Oh, how so?

[clear dust]

just don't burn out since reading a lot of Inqusition

might be boring a litle while

peronally i like Eisenhorn more then Revenor

[velvet steeple]

I don't think that should be a danger. I'm not buying extra credits at Audible, so it's a book a month 😛

But thanks for the warning

[clear dust]

and you are already waiting what is happening with Eisenhorn how will that plot go on

[velvet steeple]

Yeah, that's the downside. I'll buy Magos, but will have to wait until the middle to late March to get to read the actual novel 😛

[quaint siren]

Krieg. Steve Lyons knows how to write the Death Korps and write them well

Or rather, in Dead Men Walking, he realized that the Death Korps is best tackled from an outsiders perspective.

Unsurprisingly, a walking faceless death wish doesn’t make for a compelling character

In Down Amongst the Dead Men, his short story, he had a krieger as a main character. Don’t remember much tho

[hearty musk]

Wait you wrote a story that got published?

Silver Skulls as well?

[umbral sedge]

I was wondering where to start in the 40k book series

[fossil crypt]

HH books

[near cloak]

At the end don't forget the two (third unreleased)Bequin novels which happen to be EXCELLENT In audiobook format.

[velvet steeple]

Thanks!

[midnight meteor]

Same. Got into the tabletop game a long time ago. Glued and painted many minis. People talking about te books have got me interested, looking for a "Core reading" list

Scrolled up and found a hint to check pinned messages! Thanks

[mellow knot]

Several in fact 🙂

[random marlin]

https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/4483467.Sarah_Cawkwell That's quite a few! 😉

[random marlin]

Hey Corvid, what did you think of Krieg compared to Dead Men Walking? I absolutely love Dead Men Walking as it's one of the better pieces of anti-war material in 40k (comparing it to All Quiet on the Western Front makes sense to me), along with 15 hours and Fire Caste, but Krieg felt much more like praising the DKoK and a bit of a repetition of Dead Men Walking with the interesting underlying messages removed.

It's surprising to me that they're from the same author, so I'm wondering if maybe my view of Krieg is distorted, and I'm curious to know what others thought of it. 🙂

[mellow knot]

Guilty as charged

[random marlin]

If you want to know more about the Silver Skulls and our resident superhero's other BL stories, here's a good article from TrackofWords about the suggested reading order of the Silver Skulls stories: https://www.trackofwords.com/2021/03/12/40k-reading-order-silver-skulls-sarah-cawkwell/ 🙂

[mellow knot]

Thank you for the shout out

[glass lintel]

Krieg is the book equivalent of a movie you see trailers about for five months straight, and then hear nothing about ever again until it hits Netflix.

[thorn bison]

Does that mean it's bad or?

[glass lintel]

You at least remember bad. Most of Krieg slipped from my mind the moment I turned the page, save for a Bombsquig attack.

1. "Sir, we can't breach the enemy's defensive line!"
2. "Try a logical tactic!"
3. "It didn't work, sir!"
4. *A bunch of masked losers run at the problem, solving the issue.
5. "Wow, that' spooky!"

Repeat four times.

[quaint siren]

Well that’s the thing, I haven’t read Krieg yet. It’s on my read list. Lyons knows how to write them, so hopefully he isn’t going too hard on the blind praise of the DKoK.

[random marlin]

That's actually why I was so disappointed with it and have trouble understanding it's the same author who wrote Dead Men Walking and Krieg. It's a bit more complicated than that and I can't go into details too much in fear of spoilers, but it felt like the whole point of the novel was to show how right and awesome the DKoK were. Incidentally, the book was released at the exact same time the new Krieg plastic box was.

I'd be glad to hear what you thought of it once you read it, and discuss some of its points. Maybe I've just missed the point of the author with this book entirely.

[cosmic stump]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/07/get-your-thinking-caps-on-black-library-open-submission-window-is-coming-early-2023/

[cerulean egret]

Put my manic 6am knight painting to use and listened to Eisenhorn Malleus. The old black library stuff slaps hard

[hearty musk]

NO WAY. I’ve read some of your stories

I am actually interested in this. I probably won’t win but it’ll be cool to try

[mellow knot]

Yep, that’s me. And thank you for reading my stuff!

I did the Darktide Ogryn short story as well 🙂

[hearty musk]

Being a BL writer must be so cool. Getting your own chapter canonized and published is like a dream for all 40k fans lol

[cosmic stump]

I read Valkia the Bloody before, and I missed the Warhammer Fantasy

the Old World is such a good setting

[hearty musk]

Dude same Valkia was awesome

[mellow knot]

Thanks 🙂

[mellow knot]

And if you don’t try, you’ll never know 🙂

[hearty musk]

Yeah that’s true

[white ravine]

are there any good novels directly about psykers? I've already read eisenhorn and i'm working through ravenor

[hearty musk]

Ahriman is decent for a space marine level psyker

There is also that new novel about a Pysker attached with the guard

But I’ve never read it

[austere wagon]

So I've read "know no fear" and really enjoyed it, but I feel hesitant to actually delve into the horus heresy for some reason. I don't know what it is, maybe its stigma or maybe its just my perception but I get the feeling that its abit cringe? I don't know why but I feel alot of the primarch stuff is cringy? (or it could be most of my exposure to them is memes to be fair) that and for some reason I really don't like Guilliman, perhaps it was because I collected Templars when I was younger, so I'm #teamDorn lol. Are they actually any good and worth reading? If so is it best to start with the original or read the siege of terra stuff?

[nova flume]

I’ve read every single Horus heresy book and I think they’re worth reading. If you don’t like guilliman, then start with siege of terra, big G basically fucks off during the entire siege

Also dorn is featured very prominently in the siege books so if you’re a fan of him and his legion then you’ll like them

[midnight wind]

This is good to know. I own 6 of them I think

[austere wagon]

ah okay I'll give it ago then 🙂 thanks!

[heavy juniper]

word bearers going ramming speed into ultramarines was very satisfying. lol

[thorn bison]

You hate the G Man? Well look no further than the Shadow Crusade and all the (three, I think) books covering it!

it's specifically about Word Bearers and World Eaters messing up Ultramar for no reason other than "We hate the Ultramarines"

First Heretic and Betrayer are an incredible novel duo though, you should definitely check them both out

[bold trout]

can 100% confirm, First Heretic and Betrayer go hard

Argel Tal is the best boy

[mellow knot]

Here are some Imperial Fists in their converted Rhino.

I can never resist that when I hear Rogal Dorn's name.

[hearty musk]

Imperial fists are the most boring legion smh

[white ravine]

can you remember what it's called?

[hearty musk]

Witchbringer

[white ravine]

thank you kindly

[white ravine]

damn, no audio version of it

[austere wagon]

ah cool I'll have to look into that!

[austere wagon]

I was always lead to believe that was the ultramarines?

[wicked tree]

Each legion is simply a matter of personal preference

[hearty musk]

(Yeah I know lol it’s just the friendly dig)

I actually like all of the legions

[wicked tree]

Dig eh? sounds like IW talk to me

Got a favourite or three favourite btw?

[hearty musk]

It changes sometimes but Iron Warriors, Nightlords and White Scars consistently interest me

[nova flume]

White scars are so underrated / underutilized imo

Do you have any book recs around them? I only have read about them through the Horus heresy

[hearty musk]

Only Horus Heresy

😞

Chris Wraight is the best white scars author

So anything from him is gold

[white ravine]

is witchbringer any good? i'm having a hard time finding reviews

[hearty musk]

It’s new so idk

[thorn bison]

I've heard people liked it

Haven't got a clue myself though

[glass lintel]

Space Wolves.

[thorn bison]

Iron Warriors

[pseudo ice]

Space wolves are pretty boring but the imperial fists are supposed to be boring as like a strategy.

[thorn bison]

Be basic

Be unbeatable

[silver bridge]

Definitely space Wolves. Every second unit type has "wolf" in the name.

[thorn bison]

I think Ultramarines are boring because they're just inexplicably incredible at everything all the time and knowing they usually have that kind of plot armour makes them boring in my eyes

[mellow knot]

The UMs have the stigma of being the ‘ideal’: the codex compliant baseline to which all Space Marines should strive to reach.

[sweet surge]

gotta say ... i really am a fan of the Lion, but goddamn do i hate the Dark Angels

[sudden harness]

Probably been mentioned a billion times, but for anyone mildly interested in the Death Korps
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dead_Men_Walking_(Novel)
one of the best Krieg reads out there, easily.
Super dark, boots in the mud action.

[languid pumice]

Can someone remind me. Will there be a Darktide book? I swear I saw something about it but I cant find it. Either that or im just imagining it

[thorn bison]

There's short stories for the classes but I haven't heard anything about a novel

[crisp geyser]

No spoilers because its so new, but anyone else finish the sanguinius book yet?

[clear spire]

Is there a series focused on orks?

[crisp geyser]

Not a series, but prophet of the waagh, and brutal kunnin are both great and im not even a big ork fan

[austere wagon]

that would be cool. Probably abit cheesy but I'd like a story about the Moebian VI, their fall and the infiltration/siege of Tertium in a similar style to Know No Fear.

[void stirrup]

That's the meme. The reality is they are just very practical. They actively seek the best solution to any problem, the best technique. If they get shown a better technique by Space Wolves, Salamanders, even Iron Warriors they copy it.

Super apparent when you play HH and every Ultramarines special unit is literally a copy of another legion's. Jack of all trades, master of none (except logistics).

[hearty musk]

I think I like the idea of Ultramarines being Roman style logistics experts

[hearty musk]

There is also a book about Ghaz himself

[glass lintel]

You'd think, but the recent codexes and tournament battle reports show that the Ultramarines are sorely lacking in homoerotic tension (the Business and Accounting doctrine of course gives them bonuses to all of their saves against any long-term relationships), and being designed as a minimalist force able to face most threats without needing to specialize, their powerfists and boltrifles and battlesuits and other battlesuits and those other other battlesuits and their boltgauntlets and grav tanks and normal tanks buggies and bikes, they lack the room for heavy shields and force-pilum.

Makes it a bit rough to be Roman.

Emperor's Spears does a decent job of the whole integrating-tribes-and-erasing-their-culture bit.

[hearty musk]

In the Heresy they had more of a culture

😭

[quaint zinc]

Hey everyone
i just got the first book from the "The beast arises"
but i discovered that this series sucks
Is that true?

[void stirrup]

Yes and no

A common problem in 40k is the authors have no idea what to do with numbers. Scale. The Beast arises has this problem more than almost any other series. The characters and epic moments though are great

[swift beacon]

there’s also on which faction do you enjoy in the story.

[nova flume]

its one of the weaker ones imo

im a little biased tho bc orcs are not my preferred faction

[quaint zinc]

well i like orkz and space marines are my favorites so it's a win win ig

[swift beacon]

the eldar story bit was great

[quaint zinc]

there's an eldar story on this saga?

i mean i just got the book cuz i saw it on a store
and cuz im new at all the warhammer 40k world

i said
welp why not

[swift beacon]

it’s a great series in my opinion. but there are moments where it can be ridiculous

especially the human side

[quaint zinc]

on the human side? damn
i thought that all the ridiculousness was on the orkz side

[void stirrup]

As in, Custodes get STOMPED in a way that even eldar players normally admit is absurd

Space Marines get nommed by bugs. Entire fleets get wrecked and admirals are pants on head stupid

The human side ridiculousness is pretty much all bad

It is the rare book series where the Imperium is struggle bussing and every other faction, especially orks, involved gets to look powerful.

[glass lintel]

Remind me to make a comprehensive power guide if I ever start a sci-fi epic, including whether or not the Primarchs could beat Goku.

[quaint zinc]

primarchs solos

[quaint zinc]

Man that sounds awful af

[hearty musk]

Any suggestions on books about marines but like lesser known chapters. Im too used to the regular ones now

[crisp geyser]

Brothers of the snake

[hearty musk]

Ok

[wicked tree]

Spears of the Emperor focuses on two lesser known chapters

[heavy juniper]

favourite Lion part is when he fights for a full HH book to secure whatever siege weapons from falling into traitor hands, and then at the end just gives them over to Perturabo 😂

[timid cove]

<@&1016281173720309760> Discussion in #1047432215589552138 and next book voting in #📈player-polls closes this Monday! If you want to participate, and get your streak for the year for your first in-game reward, hop on in! 🙂

[sweet surge]

to be fair ... Peter Turbo is up there with the Lion and the Khan in terms of competency, so if i was the Lion i wouldve given it to Peter too

[ionic shore]

I'm so far behind y'all lol. I was waiting for my Omnibus edition of that series to show up and it only just did last month (so on hereticus now lol)

[timid cove]

If people are still very behind, I'm happy to extend until the end of december. You can participate as far as you've gotten, I'm not gonna with hold participation streaks just because you have a life outside of 40k! 🙂

[ionic shore]

Oh neat 😄
Btw actually. The in-game reward ya mentioned. Might of missed it previously but I don't remember that being talked about before?

Is there any public details on what it actually is?

[timid cove]

we just nailed it down last month; part of why I'm giving retroactive streaks. I need to confirm it's all good to go though!

(you'll still get a book voucher as well)

[ionic shore]

Fair enough 👍

And cewl

[timid cove]

but I also know we haven't been super loud about book club, so also working on ways to get the word out so people can get stuff, even if a bit after the fact so people can catch up on streaks.

[ionic shore]

Gotcha, also honestly I feel like could use a refresher on how the streak and all that works haha. I remember hearing about the vouchers when you were talking about em while back. But since then kinda forgotten how the whole system works or what not

[timid cove]

So streaks work as you read and participate, you get a participation point. Rack up x participation points, get a reward! Right now, to get everyone caught up, people automatically get boosted to the participation points needed to get the reward.

[ionic shore]

Ah cool. Participation being just talk in the books specific thread channels?

[timid cove]

yup

[storm dock]

What if we don't have the book we're reading for the month though?

[timid cove]

I mean, you can cheat and read the wiki page, but normally if you participate, you get a voucher to cover the purchase of the upcoming book

[storm dock]

Wiki cheating sounds lame, where do you guys purchase the books from? Amazon or something?

[timid cove]

you can get them from amazon, used book sellers, GW, black library, book stores, warhammer stores, or even check your local library

[covert spruce]

Pardon, but these in game rewards. Will that be something exclusive or something people who haven't read the books get as well through other means?

[storm dock]

I mean in terms of the voucher you guys give out

[timid cove]

exclusive to book club, but everyone has the chance to participate.

[timid cove]

they were GW vouchers, but now they will be codes for the book from Black Library directly

[storm dock]

Okay awesome thanks 😊

[covert spruce]

I really don't have time to read new books, but I have read some in the past. If those pass by here in the future and I discuss those is that enough to be eligible for this exclusive reward in the future?

[timid cove]

yeah if you're read the book prior, ofc. I should mention that just because the reward is given out doesn't mean it's gone forever. I keep track of who is who and who has streaks and who has just started, so I'm not against giving people rewards retroactively and boosting streaks every so often 🙂

Particularly since we haven't been wide about it (changing that soon once I get the go ahead to promo), I want people to get stuff! 😄

it's also okay if you don't read the entire book fwiw, I know time is limited

[covert spruce]

Thank you for the information Aqshy, appreciated. Sadly the "I should mention that just because the reward is given out doesn't mean it's gone forever" part often isn't the case anymore in games nowadays so I wanted to check.

[timid cove]

yeah I get it can feel bad to miss out, so I intend to regularly reward boosts or bonuses from time to time so those who started late can earn stuff retroactively. It's more of a lift on my part, but I'm happy so long as people are happy.

[storm dock]

At least FatShark has acknowledged the feedback on Fomo on products so I think we should be good

[covert spruce]

Vermintide has time limited gone forever rewards with the events, so you know.

[timid cove]

some are coming back this event going on now 👀 you should log into lohner's daily rewards and see

[covert spruce]

I am doing that, and was very pleasantly surprised. Thanks for the heads up.

Even paid cosmetics in there, was even more surprised at that.

Don't go and ruin this by doing a battlepass for Darktide, thanks :p

[timid cove]

I believe there's 5 frames returning throughout this v2 event fwiw

[covert spruce]

I probably have them all to be honest, I've made a point of not missing out on the events.

[timid cove]

sadly I was not that attentive. Modded realm life 😦

[covert spruce]

Oh, that's a shame. Well perhaps this event can help you out then!

[storm dock]

Hey at least we don't have to cop the Blizzard attitude of "We see your feedback but actually since it's our game we know you don't actually feel that way, please sit down and pay your sub child."

[covert spruce]

Oh no worries there. I know the Ogryn sized sharks listen.

[copper sphinx]

yo, there are so many people that voted on the next months book

not even a fraction of them have said a word in bookclub

lmao

[pulsar totem]

I really like the book club. I don't remember what last month's book was though.

[glass lintel]

There's not much to say about Abbnett's writing, and the book club started at the end of a series.

[copper sphinx]

pretty sure we started with the first book in the trio and then continued down reading all of them and then went over to magos

Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus, Magos

have been the books we've read.

[glass lintel]

Huh. I guess.I just haven't been @'d for any of the others.

[copper sphinx]

that's cause you joined us in nov, we've been doing bookclub for 5 months now

1 book per month

magos got 2 months cause longer

[graceful osprey]

you guys skipped ravenor?

ah I guess if its for the book club

[copper sphinx]

Aqshys been picking the books so far

[graceful osprey]

I wish they didn't call the Magos Eisenhorn #4 because i've lost count of the number of people who read all four books in a row

yeah I thought someone was randomly reading the eisenhorn series, if its for book club people probably know what they're getting into

[grave venture]

Man really excited to get reading and having a place to talk about it at the same time

The dive into the novels is long over due

[sullen isle]

is eisenhorn tv show based off books

[crisp geyser]

the show is still in development isnt it?

[sullen isle]

yes

[crisp geyser]

then it will 100% be based off the books lol

there really isnbt much else to base it off of. if they wanted to just do "random inquisitor" they probably wouldnt have mentioned eisenhorn at all. so at the minimium it will be the same cast even if its not directly the same stories being told

[dusky grove]

Sorry if this is a redundant question but I'd like to get into the reading participation and the streaks, where do I need to look to get caught up?

[subtle briar]

someone suggested the infinite and the divine to me here, i bought it on amazon for $14 🙂

[crisp geyser]

Book was such a wonderful read. It’s just straight enjoyable from start to finish.

[thorn bison]

it's legit top three BL books I've ever read

So good

[subtle briar]

Awesome can’t wait

Debating reading before eisenhorn. It would be my first 40k book I’ve read

[umbral storm]

whats the spookiest warhammer 40k horror? i liked harrowed paths and anathemas, deacon of wounds was tripe crap

what should i read next?

[thorn bison]

It's good enough that you don't really need any 40k knowledge beforehand but it certainly helps

I'd honestly suggest starting whichever one you feel like and if you're confused by something you can just look it up on the Lexicanum website

Lexicanum is the best WH wiki around and will have all your 40k answers on a silver platter

just watch out for spoilers lol

[subtle briar]

awesome thanks for the heads up

tbh im really intimidated by the eisenhorn book i bought because its the omnibus and its THICC

[thorn bison]

Oh yeah, the omnibus editions of trilogies look very challenging at first but you'll start reading and suddenly realise you're halfway done and wonder what you were so worried about

[subtle briar]

it helps knowing its 4 books + 4 short stories

[thorn bison]

One step at a time and you'll see it through

Good luck

[crisp depot]

Eisenhorn is an amazing read @subtle briar make sure you get Ravenor once you finish it

Dan Abnett is an amazing author when it comes to describing things in a way that make you feel immersed in the setting. His only real flaw is that he ends his books too quickly after the climax for my taste. You'll probably notice what I mean.

[subtle briar]

is ravenor in print still?

[thorn bison]

Nope, but it will probably come back in the near future

GW like to do reprints of popular works

[subtle briar]

ahh okay

ill keep an eye out for it

[crisp depot]

Ah yea my bad, I bought all my books on Kindle. It was a pain finding any Black Library books in print near me.

[subtle briar]

ahh i dont have kindle

well my wife does

[timid cove]

#1047432215589552138

[crisp depot]

Peter Fehervari is probably the best Horror writer in the Black Library. I HIGHLY suggest Requiem Infernal and The Reverie

Cult of the Spiral Dawn and Fire Caste are less horror, but set in the same "book universe" as the other 2. So it's kinda like an Anthology.

[cosmic stump]

Warhammer Crime series are pretty good as well

40K but without the heretic space marines or genestealers

rather, a sight to the life on a "normal" world

[random marlin]

Speaking about Peter Fehervari, I spoke with him a bit and took the liberty to compile the good things some of you thought of his work and showed it to him. Thought it couldn't hurt to show some love for him coming from the Darktide official server. 🙂

He answered me that it raised his spirits as he had long strings of lukewarm to negative Goodreads ratings recently, and that it helped restore some inspiration.

That made me think: if you appreciate Peter's work, have an Amazon and/or Goodreads account and a few minutes to spare, feel free to leave positive reviews about his novels/short stories if you haven't already.

A good review for someone like Abnett won't have a big impact as he's a very well established writer, but for Peter, who sees himself as a left-field author, it very much will.

Thanks a lot if you do. 😉

Oh and at some point he might start playing Darktide too, so who knows, maybe we'll have the opportunity to purge heretics with the Dark Coil's author too!

[cosmic stump]

well it is said that Dan Abnett did the writings of Darktide, but so far we have seen little of it really

[thorn bison]

I'd say daemonhosts are a pretty good piece of proof that Abnett is writing for the game

Seeing as he is the only author I can find that has written about them in a novel

[heavy juniper]

I don't think you need any proof, his name is in the credits 😂 writing for a game can be so much. here's the credited writing team

[glass sparrow]

wait... John French and ADB also helped with Darktide? neat I didn't know that.

[random marlin]

John French wrote the veteran short story afaik (and may have worked on other bits too, of course): https://www.playdarktide.com/news/short-story-the-veteran

Writing for the game is a group effort as illustrated by the link about the writing team shared by Joanne. For the moment, what I find very "Abnettian" about Darktide is the worldbuilding which is very solid (and we know Abnett is very good at worldbuilding) and the story of the Moebian 5th.

[cosmic stump]

I mean at this stage we didn't see a lot of worldbuilding or story-progressing

what we are doing at the moment is shooting heretics until everything is dead

Darktide is not even following Vermintide on this matter, for the latter has shown a progress through maps

or L4D

[thorn bison]

All of it is world building though

The short cutscenes, the maps we play on, the hub area, the weapons and personalities of the characters we play

[cobalt lynx]

hey! this has probably been answered already so sorry, but where is best to start the 40k universe books? i love dark and gritty books if that helps

[random marlin]

Hey @cobalt lynx ! Please check pinned messages for suggestions about where to start. However, the suggestions aren't the, er, darkest and grittiest there is (although they still are to some extent).

If you really want some of the most nihilistic 40k novels and are interested in the Astra Militarum, here are a few suggestions:

• 15 Hours by Michael Scanlon. We follow a young, bright-eyed agri-worlder as he's drafted in the Imperial Guard and, thanks to an administrative error, his regiment is sent into a hellish warzone where the average lifespan for a guardsman is... you guessed it, 15 hours. The novel pulls absolutely no punches about the horrendous situation the hero is in.
• Dead Men Walking by Steve Lyons. When an ancient evil is awoken under a hive city, the Death Korps of Krieg are sent in to intervene... As the DKoK have traded their humanity for ruthless, emotionless efficiency, the civilians we follow (as well as other characters such as a Commissar) are rapidly stuck between a rock and a hard place.
• Fire Caste by Peter Fehervari. The simplest way to describe this novel is "Apocalypse Now meets 40k" with this story set on a rotten jungle world where Tau and Astra Militarum regiments are fighting an endless war. But everything isn't what they seem as we follow characters from both sides. This novel is ruthless with its characters, who are all broken in a way but you somehow end up empathize with them. There's no plot armor here, and a lot of characters die in surprising ways. It probably has the most nihilistic ending of all.

[quick moon]

If I had to guess, I'd think Abnett and Ward wrote a good chunk of the in game dialogue as well. I recall Ward being a contributor to that in Vermintide and Abnett is surprisingly responsible for the Nemesis Orc chatter in the Shadow of Mordor game

[random marlin]

Adding a last one:

• Spear of the Emperor by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. It's a very good book to realize how much Space Marines are different from baseline humans and it also covers events after the birth of the Great Rift.

@mellow knot when you're around, would you be so kind as to add these titles to the article? Under a "Dark and Gritty" category maybe. 😉

[cobalt lynx]

thanks man! 🙂

[random marlin]

yw 😉

[cobalt lynx]

Fire caste sounds really cool

[quick moon]

It's an amazing book, really captures the senseless violence and creeping corruption that runs throughout 40k as a setting in a more subtle and nuanced way than most novels do.

Though as noted, the pinned message contains a great list for learning the setting.

And having that core knowledge of how some setting elements function and what the norm/baseline is really helps enchance that first read of Fire Caste.

[mellow knot]

All updated.

[mellow knot]

Far as I'm aware, Matthew, Dan and Aaron are responsible for the bulk of the narrative stuff, the rest of us did the in-game dialogue.

[craggy bone]

from Ward tweets, so in broad strokes: Abnett is the setting, Ward is the story and the other writers are dialogue. Of course there's probably some crossing over

[mellow knot]

All of this.

The lessers among us who get forgotten in the lists appreciate reviews, I can tell you!

[ocean wedge]

I've been absolutely fascinated with 40k lovecraftian horror since being introduced to this franchise. Any suggestions on novels to dive deeper into the abyss?

[quick moon]

Fehervari's Dark Coil stuff has this great interpretation of Chaos as a creeping and insidious thing akin to more traditional Lovecraftian madness, though (at least as far as I've read) there is less of the "maddening to look at body horror" that modern lovecraft inspired stuff tends towards.

Though the body horror is very much still there.

And there's definitely madness.

Whether they are linked is left as a mystery :P

[cosmic stump]

Helsreach

or seek Helsreach's fan-made movie on youtube

[cosmic stump]

Chaos books then

[mellow knot]

The Space Marine Battles anthology 'Architect of Fate' has some spooky ol' moments.

[cosmic stump]

Maybe Talons of Horus

[ocean wedge]

Thank you all for the suggestions 🙂

[mellow knot]

Any time. Welcome to the literary side of the 40k world! 🙂

[random marlin]

I was wondering, what's the favorite piece of dialogue you've written for the game? And how was the process, did you split in a certain way, like by characters? If you don't mind sharing, of course. 🙂

[mellow knot]

Different folks took control of different characters; there's some everyone did little bits for. But I think if I had to pick a personal favourite, it'd be the medical servitor who asks you to take them with you when you go.. 😄

[random marlin]

Oh, that was you? I absolutely loved that one! 😄

It's both funny and sad in a way, it perfectly embodies the spirit of 40k, and the actor's delivery is great too!

[mellow knot]

Poor sad servitor

[tacit raft]

"blood for the emperor" "skulls to the golden throne" sounds inspiring 😀 😀

[copper sphinx]

heartwarming really

[void stirrup]

Tell him to actually develop a plot instead of hinting at ones that never develop. May get better reviews. Handwaving and saying "mysterious and unknowable" isn't storytelling. He is still author of the second best genestealer cult book though, ahead of the most recent one that wants to be a Discworld novel so badly.

Best is still Warmason. From actual believable politics, a solid story, capable handling of a third faction, and sort of having the GSC win. Peter's stuff reads like he desperately wants to mimic Lovecraft and other cosmic horror, is using 40k as a vehicle to get published, but doesn't understand HOW cosmic horror works.

[wary lichen]

What if it's just one servitor who keeps swapping from body to body? Like the Superintendent from Halo 3: ODST?

[hearty musk]

Any opinions on the Armageddon books by ABD?

I was thinking of getting it or Atleast reading it

[glass lintel]

Haven't read it, but as an ABD book: it could be one of the best books in the entire franchise at the best, or just alright.

[hearty musk]

Lmao

ABD is really good at world building

So I’m expecting for it to be decent

[austere wagon]

talking about Helsreach? I think its really good. Out of the admittedly small number 40k titles I have read (1 out of the 4) I really liked it. Its brutal, poetic, gripping and does a great job with world building and the way the different factions are handled. The main character is also one you can easily sympathise with (something I'm lead to believe is a bit of a luxury in the grim dark future).

Whilst the book is good, someone too the audiobook narration and made a fanfilm out of it which is also really good. (gotta love some Johnathan Keeble narration)

[cosmic stump]

Helsreach is decent, would recommend

"I will die on this world."

[hearty musk]

Yuh I’ve read that one

It reads like the quintessential classic warhammer book

[austere wagon]

There's a follow-up to it, Blood and Fire or something, I haven't read it but its supposed to be good.

[sharp elm]

Hey, I've just seen that "The Victory" part 2 omnibus is out. I've already read the two novels but not the short stories. How can I buy them in epub? And is Gaunt's Ghosts over ?

[tacit raft]

Anarch is the last book, and pretty much Gaunts story ends there. So i guess its over.

[thorn bison]

It's not officially over, there hasn't been a statement from Abnett that he's done, he has just said he will be putting it on hold iirc

[sharp elm]

That's really confusing, the Anarch doesn't feel like a clean ending

But there's also the short stories

[thorn bison]

That's what I'm thinking, Anarch leaves a lot to be desired, so I do not believe it to be the end of Gaunt's story

[coral idol]

Not sure of the veracity, but I seem to recall reading something about naval corpsmen being grafted and fused to the ship following conversion to a daemonship. Kind of a form of body horror there.

[thorn bison]

There's a thousand and one things that can happen when a ship slowly turns daemonic, in the novel Lords of Silence the ship the Death Guard protagonists use is described as "a living, breathing organism"

It also eats people occasionally

[dapper marlin]

I love Vorx, he's awesome

[cosmic stump]

I wonder why no one ever draw a pic about Merity Chass

she's kinda the best girl in Sabbat Sector

other than St Sabbat herself that is

[hearty musk]

Oh shit that’s one that I wanted to read

Is it good?

I’ve been craving for more CSM books

[chilly loom]

All of ADB's CSM books bang

[swift beacon]

FR Night Lords trilogy, Talons of Abaddon, and the traitor legions he writes in HH series

[chilly loom]

I await the 3rd book in the Black Legion line

[tacit raft]

Lords of Silence? its ok

[hearty musk]

Everyone is

Black Legion makes me appreciate them more

Is the Huron book good?

I haven’t heard as much about it from people

I don’t think that it’s very popular

[chilly loom]

Ive heard its good but havent read it

[tacit raft]

Master of maelstrom? i dunno, still in question should i buy it.

[thorn bison]

I think it's very good, definitely worth a read

[swift beacon]

finishing up the Siege of Terra, i just noticed Lucoryphus is the first traitor to ever reached the wall on Terra. This just genuinely made me smile, that a Night Lord Raptor, made it first lmao

[thorn bison]

Night Lords did a bunch of stuff first during the Siege and before it

They really were the pioneers of the rebellion

Sevatar was the person to coin the term "death to the false emperor"

People tell me I'm wrong every time I say this but it's true

[swift beacon]

wait what? Did these people not read the HH series? This is the one quote that instigated what you stated, also my love for night lords.

[cosmic stump]

Talons of HORUS

[cosmic stump]

it was Sevatar indeed

[cosmic stump]

then they got knocked down from the wall by the Blood Angels the moment they landed on the Wall

in an almost comical way

[thorn bison]

Aschuwally it's TALON of Horus

After all, there's only one

[cosmic stump]

yeah

[hearty musk]

Yeah I like that his brag was actually accurate

Im hoping for more 10th company scenes in the next Horus heresy book

That would be sick

[tacit raft]

Im wondering when Sevatar shows up on Terra, time is running out 😀 😀

he should die there, but recent location: imprisoned by DA

i would laugh if he really dies on terra, but right after siege, when Lion arrived 🤪

[tender flax]

Anyone here read Echoes of Eternity? What are your thoughts?

[drowsy urchin]

Loved it

[random marlin]

PF's style's not your cup of tea, like a lot of people. He's a divisive author, but for those of us who do enjoy his style, he's a much needed and unique voice in the Black Library.

In my case, I read a lot of BL books where:

• the faction on the cover of the book just crushes the other factions which are shown as weak and incompetent. It isn't the case with Peter who gives everyone a chance to shine and be formidable.
• Chaos is nothing more than moustache-twirling villains and Chaos icons "give headaches". That's it. That's the effect of Chaos. In PF's case, Chaos is much more insidious in the way it uses the characters' extreme emotions against themselves and seems to permeate his universe.
• I also liked how he didn't limit himself to the known Chaos creatures, as it's something that I always find a bit disappointing with 40k's description of Chaos which is very, well, ordered. 4 Chaos gods, with daemons which have always the same shapes (this of course is linked to the need of them being identifiable on the tabletop)... He gets away from that and goes more the body horror way with descriptions of possessed humans which would fit right in John Carpenter's The Thing. Funnily enough, the most recent Chaos minis kind of go in that direction too.

I didn't have the opportunity to read Cult of the Warmason, but I did find Day of Ascension a great book, it was a pleasure to read it. But to each his own.

[tender flax]

I feel bad for the World Eater who jobs to Amit twice.

[drowsy urchin]

I really enjoyed that sub-plot in particular

[tender flax]

It was nice, but I'd have preferred if it featured less future Chapter Masters, since that basically protects them from harm and the outcome of their duels is never really in doubt.

And while I enjoyed the Arkhan Land subplot, the Mechanicus is getting victimized a bit too much in these Siege of Terra books, when they have plenty of mechanical horrors in their arsenal that would make short work of any Astartes, should have at least gotten some mentions.

[tacit raft]

yeah, Amit my second boi since Flesh of Cretacia, big gigachad finally shows everyones who is the boss

[tender flax]

My favourite moment was still Raldoron schooling some Nightlord optimist on true bladesmanship.

in the First Wall or what it was called.

Or was it Saturnine? No idea, don't remember.

[tacit raft]

i cant recall either

Nightlord - "painted count"? or painted prince?

[tender flax]

I don't remember at all, but this awesome piece of artwork has big Jojo energy

[tacit raft]

yeah

thats painted count

he got consumed by deamon within him

[tender flax]

"Oh, you approach me, instead of running away?"

[tacit raft]

story tells Raldoron>Nightlord

[tender flax]

IIRC Raldoron starts outskilling him and the demon abandons the Nightlord, which is the moment Raldoron kicks him off the wall.

[tacit raft]

every Nightlord felt the same way 😀

[tender flax]

It's certainly an issue they have

[cosmic stump]

Perfect

||especially the part where Sanguinius tore Angron's spine out||

[tender flax]

Wouldn't go that far, would have wished to hear a little more about what's going on at Bhab Bastion.

[austere wagon]

what chapter are these dudes?

[tacit raft]

these are Legions 😀

[tender flax]

LIke, I appreciated the little background on Amit Nassir and the World Eater, but in a Series with 800k Books, I think that little subplot could have been outsourced to an earlier novel.

[tacit raft]

left is Raldoron of the Blood Angels

[austere wagon]

ah nice, they look badass

[tacit raft]

right is Gendor Skraivok, Night Lords

[austere wagon]

ah the bad guys 😛

[tender flax]

the Skitarii Survivor sections were 10/10 in my opinion. Wish we got more PoV's on these guys.

[native frigate]

Just finished Hereticus before going to bed. now to start Magos

[trim estuary]

What do you guys think about "Watchers of the throne" and "Vaults of Terra" Series ?

I am on 2nd book in WotT

read all VoT

I am liking it so far

[heavy juniper]

LOVE both series

[trim estuary]

I am manly trying to follow events after the great rift and it's consequences

GW is making it hard not having a straight forward series for it

Dark Imperium is next on my list - all 3 books

[thorn bison]

I honestly could not stand the first WotT but the second one was really good

[trim estuary]

will probably do "Avenging Son" and "Devastation of Baal"

as well

[trim estuary]

really why.. I found it much more interesting than the first two VoT books

[thorn bison]

I have no idea

Just didn't like it

[trim estuary]

hm ok

[thorn bison]

Avenging Son slaps, as do all the Dawn of Fire books

Haven't read the fifth one yet but I'm sure it'll hold up

[sullen isle]

is there arts in book or no

[tender flax]

seeing Terra from a ground perspective was really cool, wish there was more of that sort

[lean warren]

Absolutely loved it, it was very depressing but I am all for it! It really delivered the idea that this final battle is fought over the carcass of the human civilization, the once great imperial palace literally flattened.

[crisp geyser]

Super dark, but such a good book.

[timid cove]

<@&1016281173720309760> Discussion and polling is closed! Our next book will be:

Infinite and the Divine A Necrons novel
Trazyn the Infinite and Orikan the Diviner are opposites. Each is obsessed with their own speciality, and their rivalry spans millennia. Yet together, they may hold the secret to saving the necron race…

Because the vouchers for this book will be received directly from GW, please allow a couple of weeks before I reach out to you with your voucher!

[harsh meteor]

https://giphy.com/gifs/images-warhammer-iSoUOCwP5hRQI

[thorn bison]

I love democracy

[random marlin]

How do you participate in the discussion exactly? If I finish Doctor Sleep fast enough, I may join for The Infinite and the Divine discussion if it starts in a few weeks.

[spice zenith]

oooh id love to read that

[upper dove]

big recommend this book

I don't even read books and I read this one

[hearty niche]

TRAZYN YOU IDIOT YOU GAVE US BOX SEATS TO A COUP

[jaunty stratus]

so, no set bookclub time for the event for now? (would be cool, no rushing through the book for me😅 )

[timid cove]

I'm aiming for first week in January, but it'd be a bit unfair if I started the next book and hadn't given vouchers yet!

[timid cove]

I create a post at the end of the month and you just write in there about the book. Discussion is usually up for a week, two weeks for big CHONKY books.

[frozen furnace]

best comedy book in 40k

[spice zenith]

i have the meme

marking as spoiler anycase

[azure dagger]

Basically two very old boomers with near godlike powers feud over macguffin ownership rights

But they kind of need to work together to get it in first place

[bitter cosmos]

Huh, the book's only $12 in amazon for the paperback. That's not too bad

[frozen furnace]

i would say
1 very old boomer and 1 very old troll go on adventure together

[azure dagger]

They are equally old

[frozen furnace]

better?

[azure dagger]

afaik Trazyn was there when Orikan was dragged to biotransference chambers

[fierce hollow]

finally arrive

[errant coral]

Not exactly true.. Orikan can be quite older thanks to the fact he ||Travels back in time heh||

[frozen furnace]

that's a good point

[errant coral]

Good choice
Gotta respect the Czech language I have my penal battalions in that but I preffer it in English now

[azure dagger]

Who knows how much time Trazyn spends in his vaults with altered flow of time

[errant coral]

Okay yea good point too

[azure dagger]

Best part imo is ||other prominent necrons being fed up with their bullshit and sort of demanding them to cease hostilities and cooperate||

[frozen furnace]

czech is hilarious

[errant coral]

Yea I know
I have to speak it every day xD

[frozen furnace]

everytime i have bad day i can just play something in czech and immediately have better mood, thank you czech for being yourself

[errant coral]

I love the moment when it's like Avengers Endgame

My pleasure

[fierce hollow]

thanks, I'll see how it will be in Czech, then I'll read in English anyway, since there aren't that many books in the Czech language

[fierce hollow]

same 😄

[fierce hollow]

[azure dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/pelisky-gif-19512404

[thorn bison]

I love the part when ||Trazyn blows up and robs an inquisitorial ship because they stole a statue of him||

[azure dagger]

Or when he says ||Orikan, I am going to Traz||

It's Trazing time!

[fierce hollow]

I'm currently reading the first book of the Horus Heresy and what I have to say is fuck erebus xD

[frozen furnace]

the only person that likes erebus is erebus

[errant coral]

No
Not even Erebus liked Erebus
Cuz Erebus killed Erebus and tattooed his face on himself

[frozen furnace]

spoiler

[tacit raft]

great ending, ive read the third book. and its very good

[frozen furnace]

also true

[fossil saddle]

Fellow Czech person

[errant coral]

The fuck.. How many of us is there over here

And why is all of us into Space Wolfes ?!

[fossil saddle]

xD good question

[errant coral]

Like.. "Space Wolf" was the first book I ever got from 40k so I am happy but the fucc is happening xD

[dusk vortex]

Sgt. Varl gives a savage his sunglasses
I didn't even know he had them, the book says he wears them inbetween duties(so on a transport ships with artificial lighting) to "look cool"

My favorite Ghost

[gray rune]

Holy emperor I cannot believe i found this in our storage room. Im very shock its been there for so long and never notices it

The emperor's has blessed me for thy book

[frozen furnace]

i think generally slavs are into space wolfes

i have no idea why tho

[errant coral]

True..
Space Wolfes aren't even slav they are more Nordic

[frozen furnace]

heavily nordic/viking. For us, Vostroyan imperial guard should be prime army

[placid cypress]

Why do I get the feeling the Siege of Terra books after the first 3 are going to take a nosedive in the lore

About 25% done with Saturnine..really digging the Imperial Army side

Maybe I am just pissed Titandeath was one note

[whole sand]

On the buried dagger. It's been a long 50 books, but I'm ready to get to the solar war

After tutandeath buried dagger is... hard.

[exotic lagoon]

are these audio books as well?

I wouldn't mind listening when I go for runs

[wild root]

Just started reading Horus Heresy. So far, fantastic reading

[crisp depot]

Man, fuck Erebus. All my homies hate Erebus.

[outer monolith]

To this day, Flight of the Eisenstein, Battle for the Abyss, and Fulgrim remain some of my favorite Black Library novels. Out of the twenty something Horus Heresy novels I have read, most of them have been fantastic reads, but there are some (Like Legion and Mechanicum) that just kinda feel inferior to the other books.

[wild root]

On the first book now. I own the first two as paper back but idk why its so hard to get a physical copy if Flight of the Eisenstein.

[outer monolith]

Its been out of print for a minute. I was a kid when I started collecting the books, as they were my introduction to Warhammer. A couple months back I went on Ebay and was pricing out a couple of the Horus Heresy paperbacks I have and its ridiculous what those things are going for.

[wild root]

Its my main reason for digitising my library. Basically only own them on a kobo eReader. Only physical warhammer books are my codexs

[outer monolith]

I feel that. Its not like those things are any cheaper either. I remember buying my 7e Guard codex for $27, now they run at twice that.

[wild root]

I picked up the Cadia stands box the other day just for the guard codex with the pretty cover

No way the Sparkler emote is for Cadia

Oh good.

But yeah, HH has been my introduction. Branched out into the Sororitas novels and some Necron stuff too

[hearty musk]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/14/what-horrors-await-the-flesh-tearers-on-their-home-planet-find-out-in-their-new-novel/?utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=black-library&utm_content=blreveal14122022&fbclid=PAAabwyCyh4JZcg6C40gL0oREuLUyLjwuxIBsmYYt242UmT5mkwX6QUnqqpa0

Damn this is inspiration for the rest of us

[tacit raft]

i wonder why doesnt Apollus, Flesh Tearers chief chaplain is not mentioned, probably retconned

probably "died" on Baal (lexicanum say he lives)

ah, alright, my bad

this novel is not about Seth or any major Flesh Tearer characters

[thorn bison]

Weren't the Flesh Tearers not allowed to defend Baal because Dante hated them or am I thinking of another Blood Angel successor?

[novel kestrel]

They pretty much opened the door to all of them. One of the big ones was the Angels Vermillion that had nearly been branded Traitoris Excomunitatus by the Inquisition at some point

[thorn bison]

I swear there was one chapter that was sent away because Dante didn't trust them, it pains me to not remember which one

[novel kestrel]

IIRC, the Flesh Tearers were securing Baal Secundus' moon when Ka'Bhanda decided to 'help' because only he was allowed to wreck the Blood Angels

There was a big vote against Dante and the Blood Angels because their chapter was so depleted and it was led by Seth by he ultimately helped lead the charge to defend the homeworld

But it has been a hot minute since I read Desolation of Baal so I could be wrong

[tacit raft]

i think another, Knights of Blood chapter. This are traitors

[tacit raft]

yup

[novel kestrel]

Right, they didnt even show up to the big conclave because they probably would have been shot out of the sky

[tacit raft]

not them, Knights of Blood led by Seth. Angels Vermillion disobeyed chapter master, and rushed to aid Dante, to Baal. While Knights of Blood straight renegades and hunted by inquisition ofc

[novel kestrel]

Ah gotcha, thats why they went to the moon right? Because it was helping but not amongst the 'normals'

[tacit raft]

yep

Devastation of Baal was so good back in the day, probably i should read it again

[frosty ice]

Cadia Stands

[sullen isle]

what this emote do other then rembering that cadia fall

[tawdry robin]

I dont have anything to say about the books. but i want to inquire where can i actually get warhammer 40k books?

can i get'em on some sort of official site? amazon?

[mellow knot]

Black Library direct, Amazon, most GW places.

[tawdry robin]

thank you very much kind sir

[subtle briar]

what are some other fantasy/scifi series that are similar to 40K?

Really liking the books I have so far

love the dark atmosphere

[glacial wraith]

Dune is kinda dark

[subtle briar]

ooo i have dune but havent read it

[thorn bison]

You can also use the GW website

[dull frost]

Literally warhanmer X Mad Max while not all that dissimilar really

I am also pretty sure the loading screen is just the comisar just yelling at you

[stray kindle]

The beauty of 40K, I’m finding, while being entirely new to it, is that if you’ve liked any major science fiction franchise of the last 50 years, 40K has it in there somewhere. Or, at least, some logical conclusion that franchise would get to if it gave zero fucks about how tonally dark it could become.

Every bit of it oozes “old sci-fi cover,” but the more you read the more you realize it’s also a horror franchise.

It’s awesome. I’ve been vacuuming up lore for weeks now.

[mellow knot]

It’s a lovely sandbox to write in. The scope for grimness is immeasurable.

[lavish badger]

You could give "Gideon the Ninth" by Tamsun Muir a try. It's very good, and happens to be more gothic, gloomy and morbid than 40k.

A bit like "What if the Emperor of Mankind would have had access to necromancy?" Awesome worldbuilding. And the story of the first book is a masterfully told crime/horror/mystery.

[glass lintel]

Massive 40k/The Locked Tomb Quadrilogy fan here!

It's uh. . . not a great transfer, really. All the characters and dialogue are incredible, but it leans a lot into having protagonists of a different genre from the book they're in, and are all sorts of mysteries.

The first book is a jock with a sword not realizing they're in a mystery book because they're too busy flirting and fighting skeletons. It's fun the whole way through, but it's like an entire book with seemingly nothing off except the main character mentions that someone bleeds the same color as grass, which is a hint that they have deuteranopia, which is a hint that they were a werewolf the whole time.

In other words: Brutal Kunnin' but it's just the Orkz' POV, so the Titans and Skitarii and ||Daemon Engine|| come out of nowhere.

[whole sand]

Please read it sir. It's amazing.

[whole sand]

I'm browsing the chat for ideas, as I bought the inf&divine with my last audible cred, but when I went to quit they offered me another credit. So I'm trying to figure out what to listen to besides the Solar War book 1 after Buried Dagger.

I kinda want something like cain or wh crime, but idk what to listen to. I finished cain, and gaunt, and eisen already

How are the Cadia novels?
Blackstone Fortress?
Forge of Mars?
Armageddon?

[random marlin]

Cadia novels: ok, first one, Cadia Stands is action-heavy to the point where characters are underdeveloped, which isn't my cup of tea. I enjoyed Cadian Honour as it focused more on characters, but Traitor Rock was back on being too action-heavy for me.

Didn't read the others, but heard a lot of good things about Forges of Mars.

[glass sparrow]

if you are looking at WH crime I really do recommend the Wraithbone Phoenix. It has a good mixture of comedy, action, and really fleshes out how flawed the characters can be.

plus Baggit and Claude have grown on me as a duo that I wish we can see more of

if you like Gaunt's Ghosts, I recommend checking out the other books relating to the sabbat crusade. There is Titanicus (which has one of my favorite tech priest moments where 1 tech priest in binharic tells another adept to stop wasting his time with her constant bitching and to do something useful instead of standing around doing nothing.), There is also Double Eagle if you want more ace combat style of a book. It's a good read/ listen to, and there is a really nice happy ending for one of the characters in the book that I have a soft spot for. If you have not listened to the Sabbat War Anthology, do so. The stories there really do flesh out a lot of events that are to come and makes the whole war feel so much more alive.

Blue Bloods book is.... okay I guess? The characters really didn't seal the deal in making me love them and the sort of twist at the end was kind of annoying for me to listen through because of how easily that whole ordeal could have backfired and cost the Imperial army everything at that point.

[thorn bison]

Burning had the right idea, Wraithbone Phoenix is really good

[tawdry robin]

Cant wait to read this

[random marlin]

I read it and found it quite enjoyable.

[tawdry robin]

I'm still really really new to 40k (I know the most basic of stuff)

And seeing this caught my eye because of the Leman russ tank

I believe I'll enjoy it too

[random marlin]

There's a lot of attention to detail about life in a tank which shows the author has done some research, and the story both revolves around the battles against the enemy and the conflict in the tank crew. There were some tense scenes too, although ||the ending was a bit too heroic for my taste||. If, while reading it, you have any question, tell me, I'd be glad to help. 🙂

[tawdry robin]

Oh that's very generous of you! If I'll have issues I'll happily ask. from what you've already told me I feel like the book will be perfect for me

[split idol]

Anyone got any good book recommendations? This is my current wish list for christmas:

[random marlin]

Looks like you have an interest in the Imperial Guard faction, like me. 😉 Did you read other books about this faction already? The GG series, I'm assuming?

[split idol]

These would be my first books, and because of that I got no clue whats actually good or not. But yeah I got a huge interest in the astra militarum because they aren't overpowered gods rather just regular folk

[ashen garnet]

eisenhorn trilogy is a must

[random marlin]

Are you looking for more heroic or more gritty, dark stories?

For heroic stories, The Gaunt's Ghosts series is a very strong start.

If you're looking for darker Astra Militarum stories, check the last pinned message, there's a blog article with suggestions there, such as Dead Men Walking which is, imho, superior in every way to Krieg, and is by the same author.

[split idol]

I'd have to look into this dead men walking book, I'm just a huge krieg fan so that book was almost a guranteed must on my part

Partly because I take great interest in ww1 and ww2

And I was going to get all of the Gaunts ghosts books, but I could only find "The victory" series on the website I'm looking on which is native to my country, so I'll probably have to buy the others off gamesworkshop

I also picked out Steel tread because I see alot of people praise it, and it heavily reminded me of Fury in the way you follow a tank crew

But I'd say out of the two, I'm probably a guy more into dark stories as that is the entire point of 40k

But then again, reading a heroic astra militarum book also seems really interesting as it's almost like you're reading propeganda from within the universe

[random marlin]

I think you may enjoy 15 Hours a lot too then. 🙂

[split idol]

Who's the auther?

[random marlin]

Michael Scanlon, if I remember it right.

https://pyroriffic.wordpress.com/warhammer-40k-reading-starter-list/

Mitchel Scanlon, sorry.

[split idol]

Oh wow yeah 15 hours sounds extremely interesting

Is it an instore purchase book? Can't seem to find it on their website or my native one

[random marlin]

Unfortunately, it's a very old book, so maybe it's not available anymore?

[split idol]

Seems like Amazon has it

But yeah wow, you can really tell it's old. It costs 70 dollars on amazon 💀

[random marlin]

Damn, that's not cheap!

I also heard good things about Cadian Blood but haven't read it myself. But it's by Aaron-Demski Bowden who is a renowned Black Library author.

However it's been released again recently if I'm not mistaken, so it should at least be cheaper. 🙂

[split idol]

A good cadia story mm

[sullen isle]

What book is that

[split idol]

cadian blood

[tacit raft]

Cadian Blood:

1. Perfect name for a flagship
2. How much damage nova canon can deal
3. Why a commissar attached to psyker 😀
   thats the most interesting things i remember, apart from the story itself. Solid novel.

[grave oak]

I just relistened to cadian blood earlier this week it is a very good novel

[exotic lagoon]

anyone know where I can get the Old Earth (47) (The Horus Heresy) at a reasonable price in print? I mean they should be like 15 euros and I can only find paperbacks for 200+

[cosmic stump]

the one with God Machines March to War?

that one is super

amazing about when legions of titans clashed

[whole sand]

Is that part of a series? I HATE stand-alones, but goddamn I love the militarum

[unkempt horizon]

I want say something about the Gaunts Ghosts books. I love the to victory books because the first one is in my opinion has a lot of very happy and wholesome moments with the more dark and disturbing parts between and then there is the second one which shatters almost all of those moments. I believe it does 40k horror in the best way. It uses the fear of the unknown in a way that doesn’t feel condescending but natural. It also uses shock in a fantastic way where it felt to me at least like a genuine surprise at times. Final they use the death of innocents in the best 40k way where it doesn’t just feel like needles grimdark but still leaves a hole in you when it’s done. I can’t stress enough how fucking good I think they are.

[untold chasm]

I read the heresy until fulgrim like a year ago and just stuck to the games since anyone have any idea which book I should pick up next?

[drowsy urchin]

http://www.kylebb.com/HH/HHSeriesOrder.html use this

either go by these timelines or just the release order

[untold chasm]

Gotcha I was feeling weird about going by timelines since everything is simultaneous at the point I’m at

[meager trench]

Seems like your best bet might be to get the ebook and print it out lmao...I just looked up those prices wew lads

[tawdry robin]

Just read the Prologue to Steel tread, im not a book guy really, but holy shit the prologue itself has impressed me.

i have a really good feeling about the book.

and i feel bad for etsul losing her crew the way she did, but at least she survived in the end and managed to haul her tank back.

[tender flax]

I am actually not sure if I had an elaborate dream or if there was actually a 40k Book about a Detective on some backwater planet. Does anyone know?

[heavy juniper]

there might be several. any more info?

[unkempt horizon]

I’d say flesh and steal. Follows basically a detective and the mechanicus equivalent. Set in a hive city split between reg people and mechanicus and follows an illegal servitor trade thing mainly. Won’t go into many more details but the characters and fucking amazing. Especially the main character lead.

[tender flax]

Sounds pretty interesting!

[unkempt horizon]

I fucking loved it

And when you get the context for the main characters background and his overall attitude it hits like freight train. At least for me it did

Is also very good at showing the human side of the mechanicus

Like the other main lead is mechanicus but still very much human. They have the robes and augmetics but still have a human face. They act and talk like a person but they also show the other side of the mechanicus. Like the guy who leads the mechanicus side of the city is literally a room with a brain in a jar if I recall right

Also shows the massive divided between the rich and poor in 40k really well

I know I’m rambling but I think this book does what it’s trying to do really well

[versed vapor]

Guard book recommendations? I have read Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphis Cain, and the new Krieg book.

[errant coral]

Penal Battalion one

13th Legion ? I think

[versed vapor]

Is it 30k or 40k?

[errant coral]

40k

[versed vapor]

Awesome ty

[errant coral]

Last Chancers

[graceful osprey]

tonks
Steel Tread
Baneblade
Shadowsword
Cadia
Cadian Blood
Kasrkin
Catachan
Straken
Catachan Devil
Krieg
Dead Men Walking
Sabbat Worlds
Double Eagle (aeronautica)
Volpone Glory
new shit
Witchbringer
old skool cool
Macharian Crusade Omnibus

[cosmic stump]

Ah, you like Imperial Guards don't you

[graceful osprey]

I do, sir

there is also the Minka Lensk cadian series but its divisive

the characters are fine but for some they don't have enough cool battles

if you haven't checked it out yet Double Eagle is a phenomenal Gaunt's Ghosts spin off about the Phantine Air Corps, there's also Titanicus and Volpone Glory which take place during the Sabbat Crusade

tossed em in the list

[random marlin]

Happy birthday @mellow knot! It's today, isn't it? 🙂

[random marlin]

I didn't know that was the general sentiment... I actually thought the exact opposite for Cadia Stands (the first one) and Traitor Rock which had an heavy emphasis on battles and not enough character development (for me, at last).

Track of Words released an interview of the author of Witchbringer, for anyone interested 🙂 https://www.trackofwords.com/2022/12/02/rapid-fire-steven-b-fischer-talks-witchbringer/

[graceful osprey]

I think most of the complaints I've heard have to do with Cadian Honour being really slow, and not enjoying the battle scenes so much in cadia stands. idk how many of them made it to traitor rock, but I thought they were pretty good

[random marlin]

Yeah, they were not perfect, but I enjoyed all of them. My favorite is Cadian Honour because of the parallel stories between Minka Lensk and ||the civilian and how he ends up being a heretic, it was refreshing to see it shown in a way that made sense for once, as he really didn't have much choice if he wanted to survive||.

[graceful osprey]

I'd recommend Cadian Blood as the better overall novel, but the Minka Lensk books are (mostly) set after the Great Rift which is pretty interesting

[random marlin]

I didn't read Cadian Blood yet but I'm kinda excited about it now that I know that its author is ADB. 😄

[graceful osprey]

it's an older book but since the timeline used to be on pause it takes place at the very beginning of the 13th Black Crusade

so it doesn't really feel that dated

[mellow knot]

It is ! Thank you 🙂

[random marlin]

About novels set after the great rift, I also enjoyed how it was done in Steel Tread, notably when they spoke about a ||great rift protocol to protect the troops wherever it is visible, if I remember correctly||.

[graceful osprey]

yeah I remember that, the Vigilus campaign books delved a lot into || how the great rift fractured time and different systems experienced nihilus at different rates ||

[thorn bison]

I can't remember what book it was but ||I read that Terra experienced that kind of time dilation as well, right as the rift opened||

Really cool stuff honestly

||Some people on the world experienced it as a few hours and some as multiple months or even years||

[slow pilot]

i dont know anything about war hammer lore can someone give me a good book series to start with

[thorn bison]

Check the pinned message for a list of good starter books!

[gloomy mountain]

dont suppose anyone has and would like to sell vaults of terra, hollow mountain in HB. have a canadian friend that would like it but it never shows up

[slow pilot]

they are all like hundreds of dollars is that normal

[thorn bison]

Check the Games Workshop website, they should have actual prices

If you're checking any 3rd party sites they will always have insane prices

[slow pilot]

im on amazon

[thorn bison]

Amazon will also have unreasonable prices on many of them

I always use the official site, it's just easier

Though the older books might not be there

[slow pilot]

@thorn bison https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Gg-The-Victory-Pt1-Bpact-Sal-Reach-2018 is this the gaunts ghost series just in a larger book

[thorn bison]

That's the two second to last books in the series

The first one is called The Founding

They're collected in five or six books

But in reality there are about 15 I think

[thorn bison]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Gaunts-Ghosts-The-Founding-omnibus-1-2017

This is the first one

[slow pilot]

are the 2 books just the 15 all together

becuase they are 600 pages

[thorn bison]

No, "The Victory, part one" is the first part of the final arc of the Gaunt's Ghosts storyline

[slow pilot]

why are there only 3 books here

[thorn bison]

Because for some reason the full collection is no longer available online, which is strange considering it's one of their best selling series

[slow pilot]

[thorn bison]

They still have the first one though, to introduce you

It's the one I linked above

[slow pilot]

i wont know the ending lol

this is weird

[thorn bison]

I have that problem with the Ravenor series lmao, can't find any of the books at a reasonable price

The Ghosts books will come back eventually, they're just out of rotation at the moment

Bad timing, I know

[slow pilot]

what is in rotation thats a good start

[thorn bison]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?N=3933563954+3194735479

I'd recommend anything here

[slow pilot]

are they all self contained story's

[thorn bison]

Though "The Infinite and The Divine" is a personal favourite

[thorn bison]

Avenging Son is the start of the Dawn of Fire series and Ghoulslayer is the first in a trilogy

Horus Rising is the first in a 50 something novel series

[slow pilot]

omg

[thorn bison]

The Horus Heresy novel series

[slow pilot]

it would be diuffrent if you could get the books

[thorn bison]

It's their biggest and most popular one

Horus Rising and by extent, the entire HH series is great in general but there are books that are amazing and books that are less so

[slow pilot]

is age of sigmar 40k?

[thorn bison]

If you want to start that one I'd recommend reading Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, in that order

[thorn bison]

Nope, it's fantasy

[slow pilot]

i want to do the 40k one

how is this https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/The-Hammer-and-The-Eagle-PB2020

[thorn bison]

That one is a collection of Fantasy and 40k stories, most of them are standalone and some are connected to other series

I would say Avenging Son is a good place to start, just to get you into the setting of 40k

[slow pilot]

it says book 1

[thorn bison]

It's part of a five book series but they're pretty self contained so you don't need to read all of them

[slow pilot]

do you know the other ones

ty for the help btw

[thorn bison]

I've read all save the latest one and they're really good, the series in order is: Avenging Son, The Gate of Bones, The Wolftime, Throne of Light, The Iron Kingdom

Haven't read Iron Kingdom

Not sure if it's even out yet tbh

[thorn bison]

No problem, I'm happy to help

[slow pilot]

how are these

[thorn bison]

All very good, I enjoyed them

[slow pilot]

i dont know anything but enemy names form darktide will i be abel to understand it

[thorn bison]

It will generally be explained but if anything confuses you I'd recommend the Lexicanum website, it's an incredibly in-depth wiki for 40k

Or you could ask here, but the answers vary in reliability

I'm sure you'll get it all as you go along, after all, that's how I started out

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Here's the Lexicanum if you ever need it

[slow pilot]

@thorn bison for a few more dollars i can get free shipping so should i also get the anthology seires "nexus + other storys"

[thorn bison]

Haven't read it myself but anthologies are usually a good place to read about multiple factions, people and locations without going all in on a full novel about them

I'd say go for it

[slow pilot]

k ty again for the help

[slow pilot]

ordered

[thorn bison]

Smashing, you've got a lot of good reading ahead of you, good luck!

[slow pilot]

think i went overboard lol

[thorn bison]

Nah don't worry, I usually buy books in waves, normally get like eight or ten every time

Though I might be a minority there

[crisp geyser]

I have said that for past BL purchases I have from like 20 years ago, they dont go bad and you can get to them eventually

[fossil crypt]

is Helbrecht a good book?

[graceful osprey]

yeah I liked it a lot but fair warning it's really more of a novella

must barely qualify as a novel because it's a short read

[graceful osprey]

probably Watchers of the Throne

[cosmic stump]

the Custodes novels

both books are fine piece of works

[slow pilot]

Whats the difference

[graceful osprey]

a novella is like a short novel

longer than typical short stories but not quite enough pages

they market Helbrecht as a novel so its probably just long enough

yeah amazon calls it a "short novel", its a good story but maybe a bit overpriced

[slow pilot]

All the books on Amazon are overpriced. books that are 16 on the official site is 500 on Amazon for some reason.

[drowsy urchin]

those over priced ones are second hand sellers selling used copies and they're trying to sell them at a high price because the issue might not be in print at the moment or no new copies on the site at least so they're trying their luck

[mellow knot]

The one novella length story I did for BL was about 30,000 words - so about a third the length of a standard novel manuscript.

[graceful osprey]

I guess there's no official standard for it but a third to a half a novel sounds about right

I listen to a lot of audio books, most are between 9 and 12 hours. Helbrecht was only 6

[slow pilot]

are there any good 40k books with female leads

[tawdry robin]

Cant say if it will be good but steel tread, just began reading it and I love it so far.

[thorn bison]

Honourbound is a decent one

Any Sisters of Battle novel would also fit the bill

Spear of the Emperor also has a female lead alongside a male one

Though it's all told from her perspective

He's mostly just there

[plain parrot]

Can any experts answer me this, is starting at book 7 of the siege of Terra series a good idea. I have read Horus rising and have hours of Yt lore knowledge under my belt.

[thorn bison]

No, there's so much knowledge you don't have from the previous books that you would just feel lost and find yourself opening the wiki 5 times a minute

I read Saturnine (the 4th one) first and even though I know a hell of a lot about the Siege and Heresy in general there was so much I did not get

[thorn bison]

Have you read only Horus Rising? Because if so you should read False Gods and Galaxy In Flames as well before you start any other Heresy books

[slow pilot]

what one do you think is easy for a new person

[thorn bison]

Honourbound definitely

It's not very complicated and a fun read following the Imperial Guard

[swift beacon]

there was a female inquisitor story who was from fenris. She leads Grey Knights space marines. I forgot what the book is called @slow pilot

[thorn bison]

That's an old one though, isn't it?

[slow pilot]

ya out of stock

i want a story where is like an underdog who rises through the ranks

[thorn bison]

Twice-Dead King is that kind of story

more or less

he lost his rank and power and tries to get it back

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/the-twice-dead-king-ruin-pb-eng-2022

Twice-Dead King is also just amazing imo

[hearty niche]

Honestly I'd say read all 5 of the first Horus Heresy books (all the way up to Fulgrim) and then you can just jump to the parts of the Heresy you're interested in

[thorn bison]

Are you responding to Rangataz?

[hearty niche]

oof it's older than I thought and it looks like they left. my bad

[lavish badger]

The Shira Calpurnia novels are quite nice: https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/enforcer-omnibus-ebook.html

[thorn bison]

Would be cool if they could re-release some of them in physical form

[lavish badger]

I also enjoyed Lady Chettamandey in "Rites of Passage", but then I'm fascinated with Navigators.

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/rites-of-passage-ebook-2019.html

[slow pilot]

i feel like this is nintendo where they refuse to sell their best selling stuff

[lavish badger]

"Requiem Infernal" might also work if you like horror.

[slow pilot]

i want phisical not audio

[lavish badger]

You might get lucky at offline bookstores. Where are you located?

[slow pilot]

your moms house

GOTTEM

lol jk im on long island

close to a barns and nobel

[lavish badger]

Bit far for just sending stuff over. 😅

[slow pilot]

what do you mean

[lavish badger]

The Enforcer Omnibus is collecting dust on my shelf

[slow pilot]

my foot is hurt but i will go check out bans and nobel when i get better

its in a brace

had surgery

[lavish badger]

Ouch. Wishing you all the best with recovery

[slow pilot]

this website is so confusing

how is Assassinorum: Kingmaker

[lavish badger]

Enforcer Omnibus and Rites of Passage are also on eBay in the US. But the used books are selling for more than retail.

[slow pilot]

i dont want to use ebay

[tender flax]

I can understand why, but I gotta say the BL Audiobooks are top notch.

[slow pilot]

i like holding a book

[thorn bison]

Quality doesn't matter if you can't focus on it

At least that's my experience

[slow pilot]

i will lose attention if its a audio book

[slow pilot]

@thorn bison is Volpone Glory good

i bought steel tread and grim repast

[plain parrot]

Now the only problem with that is I have obtained a copy of sot7 and I'm itching to read it. So I'm my case I'll retroactively read the in-between

[faint flax]

Hey, which book of spacemarine universe should I start reading?

40k*

to get started on the lore

[thorn bison]

Avenging Son is a good one

It covers a bit of the Indomitus Crusade which is basically the most recent large development in the lore

[thorn bison]

I have almost all of the Siege of Terra books but I've been holding off on them just because I know I'll enjoy them that much more if I actually know what the heck is going on other than “Horus wants to kill his dad”

But you do you, I'm just a humble advisor

[plain parrot]

Haha cheers, I'm 100 pages in and am really enjoying it.

[void stirrup]

The weird jump in price for the most recent siege of Terra books on Kindle has me waiting. All the others are $11. Most recent are $24. For no discernable reason.

[hearty musk]

Surprisingly good

I would give it a 8/10

Excellent look into Knight Houses

[thorn bison]

It's new so many people don't have it and some are probably willing to pay an increased fee since we're so close to the holidays

[south rune]

I have possibly a hard question. I really want to get into the 40k lore, is there a definitive book i should start first?

[mellow knot]

Check the pins in this channel 🙂

[south rune]

thank you!!! im new to discord!

[mellow knot]

No worries

#40k-book-club message

There’s a direct link to the message

[lilac prairie]

Any idea where I can get the Dan Abnett first novel's in paper?
The first and only. Without paying an arm and a leg that is 😂 (aka normal book price)

[thorn bison]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Gaunts-Ghosts-The-Founding-omnibus-1-2017

Do you mean this one?

This is a collection of the first three books in the series

[lilac prairie]

ah nice to know ty 🙂

Found it closer to home and ordered. Ty 😉

[valid geyser]

Hello, lords of all known 40k lore, i have but one simple question: could chain-shovels have a lore-friendly existence in this game?

[thorn bison]

Not really, chain weapons are only used for war, a shovel is generally a multi-purpose tool used for many things

Using the shovel for war is a last resort since it's not meant for that originally

[valid geyser]

Fair point, but wouldn't having a chain saw make the shovel more versatile? Like it would be able to cut through barricades and stuff

[thorn bison]

Sure, but putting a chain on it would make it less effective in all other departments as it is quite hard to dig with a chainsaw

[valid geyser]

Fair enough

[thorn bison]

Normally barricades are removed with breaching tools such as axes, bolt cutters or explosives

Not chain axes mind you, just regular wood cutting axes

The chain shovel is just a meme but I don't doubt they could make one if they felt like it, the problem would be that there are so many superior options that it would be pointless

[valid geyser]

If it were a power-shovel instead, would that make any difference? Since then you could still dig with it, and maybe even more effectively than before

or am i just stupid?

[thorn bison]

It would be very expensive so there would be little point mass producing them like regular shovels but it would certainly be more viable as the “blade” would remain largely untouched

[valid geyser]

ah, well thank you for answering my questions, all-knowing one.

[cedar surge]

Modern entrenching tools already include a saw, but based on the pictures I found they seem to be placed in the handle.
So it is done but not the way you'd imagine

[thorn bison]

The question here was whether a chainsaw blade could be incorporated into the blade of the shovel, not just a regular saw

[cedar surge]

There no reason you couldn't replace your regular saw with a chainsaw

[thorn bison]

Of course, except for the fact that your shovel would lose its usefulness as a digging tool

Unless you put the chainsaw part somewhere other than the head of the shovel

But the original question was whether you could put a chainsaw on the head of a shovel and still use it as a normal shovel, the answer would be no as the chainsaw would obstruct the shovel's other duties

[cedar surge]

The question was simply if a 'chain shovel' could have a lore friendly base.
Everything else is an assumption on your part.

Not that I find the argument of " it's not very convenient to make them ", that strong. Because that holds for so many things we see

[thorn bison]

Alright, I'll give you a different argument against them, they would be wildly impractical and and inferior to every single other chain weapon in the imperial armory

Besides, look at the damn thing, it would just be a chain axe but worse

[cedar surge]

It definitely would

But you can't sort of dig with a chain axe

[abstract oyster]

DKOK brain rot 💀

[modern swift]

Can someone name 1 book for me to start with? I read somewhere that a lot of it isn't official so I don't know what to actually start with and read now 😦

[thorn bison]

What do you mean "isn't official"? If it's on the Black Library or Games Workshop websites it's official

[thorn bison]

Though to answer your question I would direct you to the pinned message in the chat

[graceful osprey]

^ 🙂

[thorn bison]

Or to read Avenging Son since it covers the start of the Indomitus Crusade which is the biggest event in recent lore

[modern swift]

I'm not sure as well, it was youtube video and he said it's like an open source program that everyone attributes to it? which I found to be ridiculous which is why I'm confused

[graceful osprey]

sometimes the wikis will have outdated or dubious lore but anything Games Workshop or Black Library prints is canon so you don't have to worry about the "wrong" campaign books or novels

[thorn bison]

The most reliable Wiki you can find of 40k lore is The Lexicanum but if you want to know something with 100% certainty I would avoid all YT creators and online threads as they get things wrong

Lexicanum isn't fully reliable either but it's updated every time GW releases anything at all so it's good enough

[graceful osprey]

i'm not sure what that youtube video is referring to. there's no crowdsourcing lore from the community, the company that makes Warhammer tells us what happens

[modern swift]

oh that list looks great! thanks!

[thorn bison]

Yeah, it's not like SCP where every fan can change and add stuff, the only official lore is what GW gives us

[graceful osprey]

only thing I can think of is that 40k (and age of sigmar) is a vast setting with lots of blank spaces on purpose to give fans room for "their dudes" aka their fan fic

none of its canon but you can create narratives in the world that don't break any lore rules

because the Imperium has a million worlds

[thorn bison]

Yeah, the two missing primarchs were (allegedly) meant to provide space for fans to make their own primarchs, as an example of the blank spaces

GW then evolved their lore as well but you get the idea

[graceful osprey]

some people like to engage in narrative campaigns on the tabletop, or create custom space marine chapters

but the books are the books and its all written by licensed fiction authors

[thorn bison]

If it was released by the Black Library or GW themselves it is official

Everything else is fan made

To summarise what we have just said

[modern swift]

Sounds good, I'll start with the Gaunt's ghost most likely and move on to eisenhorn series, I feel like they relate to darktide the most, at least that's how I feel

[graceful osprey]

a wise choice, I would say you're right

[thorn bison]

They're Imperial Guard fighting Chaos so it's a pretty good starting point, the GG books are great

Make sure to start with the book called "The Founding" if you're buying solid copies

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Gaunts-Ghosts-The-Founding-omnibus-1-2017

This one to be exact

[graceful osprey]

aside from a few exceptions like Dawn of Fire and the Horus Heresy, most of the 40k books are stories scattered across the timeline

so you don't have to worry too much about reading stuff in a specific order. try out what interests you, the recommended books all do a good job of not overwhelming you with information

read series like Gaunts Ghosts in order though obviously 😛

[cosmic stump]

I got a feeling that Indomitus Crusade books are really boring

[thorn bison]

I think they're really good but to each their own

[cosmic stump]

pretty tired about how Primaris Marines are better