40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

But it's kind of a contradictory thing to put it on a species that has the ability to become psychic don't you think?

[golden imp]

Not in spite of

[queen laurel]

Why would you give the species that has the potential to reach psychic enlightenment the complete opposite of the thing that they are evolving to

[winged jacinth]

the old ones were always the gene engineers of the WiH and human blanks dont really work on the scale the necrons want, which they accomplish with noctolith and the pylons

but a warp entity like an enslaver gets slurped up by a blank

[golden imp]

Though I feel if necrons found humans they wouldn’t be around anymore

[winged jacinth]

plus theres the (i think probable?) theory that Jokaero were made from orangutans by the old ones

which means they visited prehistoric earth

[queen laurel]

i mean they could also have just grabbed it from somewhere else

the galaxy is wide

I am like pretty sure there's a planet out there that grew primates similar to orangutans

[winged jacinth]

well yeah i guess, the hard earth visiting lore is from the rogue trader 1e slann stuff

so its antique

[celest dome]

Well that's not correct, but sure

[winged jacinth]

but aliens in 40k tend not to be much like earth life

and also funny monke

i imagine the magos biologises cant check because there's been no existing samples of the terran orangutan for 38000 years

[queen laurel]

it says inner psyche of the collective Greenskin racial mind man what do you want me to say

it's literally right there what the want me to do

[queen laurel]

They do look awfully like orangutans but the wolves of fenris also look awful like terran wolf's back in the day

But that is a fun theory but rather goofy 1 though

[winged jacinth]

it basically was lore but a link (the 40k slann) got axed

afaik they dont exist anymore so its back to a theory

i love that the ordo xenos basically collectively went "these guys dont talk and we cant figure out their culture so they dont count as the bad kind of alien (now get on my ship and make me digiweapons)"

"yeah they build spaceships and make art but uh... dont worry about that"

[queen laurel]

it's also the fact that it's just not worth it messing with them

[winged jacinth]

thats never stopped the imperium

[queen laurel]

They make a lot of very powerful weapons out of instinct

[celest dome]

Basically they take the wind of magic but instead of harnessing it directly it's focused through the collective mind of the Orcs.
In a similar manner as how faith magic doesn't take the wind of magic directly but through a medium (god or their servants)

[queen laurel]

damn chaos tainting everything

[winged jacinth]

jokaero tech is indeed straight up "??? ???" tier though

the spaceships fly geometrically?

[celest dome]

Truth about magic

[queen laurel]

that's why messing with them is not a good idea

the imperium is already dealing with much bigger problems

[winged jacinth]

again, never stopped the imperium lol

if the jokaero could talk they'd probably be on the kill list especially since they dont typically group to huge scales

[queen laurel]

They have stopped before, h it's much better for them to focus on the bigger threats than getting vaporized by an orangutan with a minaturized laser cannon on its fingers

[winged jacinth]

the only example i can think of is freak empires out in like the halo stars where its too far and space is evil, jokaero operate inside the imperium

even the tau they've done like 4 crusades against

[queen laurel]

and tell me do you think they would stretch their already stretched logistical lines for a couple of monkeys that make fancy weapons when that tiny bit more extra resource could be put somewhere else that would result in less people getting atomized by chaos

like yes they are stupid but they are not that stupid

[winged jacinth]

no i think they'd just kill jokaero with planetary defenses when they show up

they even raid, they'd treat them like drukhari i think

who also have disturbing technology beyond human ken plus they're organized and far more numerous

[queen laurel]

it is not worth the resource drain to go about dealing with them

[winged jacinth]

the star frames are the pinnacle of the ???? tech

no engines

propelled by pure mathematics?

[winged jacinth]

yeah they literally fly them geometrically

which makes me think the picture is a bad one because its all regular squares lol

trapezoids

[queen laurel]

the imperium already figured out the best way to deal with them

just having them around and let them make shit

[winged jacinth]

yeah my whole point was that they basically do that by pretending they dont count as xenos lol

[queen laurel]

yeah but that's also the reason why they don't want to kill them

They know first hand the amount of technological ******** they go through in a single day

[winged jacinth]

otherwise i suspect the religious obligation might become more important

but they dont talk to you so you can pretend they arent just as sapient as you

[queen laurel]

to be fair they are literally just orangutans that have the instincts to know how to build shit

they have the same abilities ork mekboyz

it's genetically embedded into them how to make machines and stuff

and they can go off of it by pure instinct

[winged jacinth]

they also manage to keep themselves supplied and coordinate raids for materials, and even participate in commerce per the blackstone fortress game

[queen laurel]

they are smarter yes but most of their technological yammering is literally just instinct

[winged jacinth]

oh yeah they're not "design the starframes" smart

but they're at least person smart they just dont have anything to say to us

[queen laurel]

i mean would you say anything to concentration camp mcgee over there?

i would just be making them stuff and let them be too

[winged jacinth]

its more funny than that i think, they dont respond to hails and in person will just ignore you if they dont want something from you

they are MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS

any HAIRLESS SKINFREAKS can wait their turn

but like in blackstone fortress a starframe shows up, flies towards the station, ignores all communication, docks, rapidly opens a bazaar

[queen laurel]

they have the smarts and firepower to do so

[winged jacinth]

they're here to sell not talk about selling

i wonder if they understand low gothic

the imperium thinks they dont

but that doesnt mean a whole lot

i think its much better if they know what people are saying to them and just dont care

gotta get the monkeyspeak amulet from runescape

[storm jungle]

A crotchshot?

scandalous

[languid meadow]

I wanna post a freak gif but Idk if I'll get obliterated

[dapper gyro]

Tell that to the SM diaper

[dapper gyro]

You can't know if you don't try.

[languid meadow]

Yeah but I like being in here

[storm jungle]

banned

[fossil current]

WE GOT GREAT NEWS FROM OWLCAT

[outer wave]

Imagine doing your daily chores 24/7 in that armour

[fossil current]

Nah he’s an inquisitor

He’s probably asking servitors to powerwash his butt when he takes a dump

[arctic talon]

Zerbe is my favorite radical centrist

[raven stone]

Dark Heresy coming soon I see

Will be perfect addition to gaming library after house move

[arctic talon]

Unlikely to be soon

Imo

[raven stone]

Ah

[arctic talon]

But they’re def pumping out a lot of art

[raven stone]

Fair enough

[arctic talon]

There’s no sign even on the closed alpha yet

[fossil current]

The massive news I am most excited about is that the player is referred to as an “acolyte” this is the same title Hendrix has in rogue trader. WHICH MEANS the player is actually an interrogator

WHICH MEANS

CAN YOU BEAT DARK HERESY AS RANNICK

[arctic talon]

They also get called an inqusitor btw

In an interview

So I’d assume it’s acolyte -> inqusitor

Zerbe is gona promote us or he’s going to die(I find him dying 100% unlikely)

[fossil current]

Don’t crush my dream for the rannick build

Low intelligence, high charisma, completely useless but getting by

My hope is that as interrogators; we can call the shots in the day to day but ultimately have our own orders and assigned cases. Otherwise the game will be far too similar in setting to rogue trader

[arctic talon]

We’re likely to be zerbes servents still

He’s a lord inqusitor and in charge of most of the inqusitors in Calaxis

[languid meadow]

I do wonder if we go radical we'll get inducted into the cabal

[raven stone]

It might be easier for us to get a non-standard game over if we cross the line too often lol

[arctic talon]

Zerbe is

Pretty tolerant of shit

Which is why I called him the ultimate radical centrist

[raven stone]

Oh interesting

[arctic talon]

As long as you can ultimately prove you’re loyalist and saneish. He tolerates a lot

[raven stone]

Damn actually someone that I want to work under lol

[arctic talon]

His main goal is stability and that means ensuring the puritans, radicals and everyone inbetween don’t brutally murder each other

[raven stone]

Stability without being an Amalathian

[arctic talon]

Tbf he’s still terrifying lol

[raven stone]

That is rare

[arctic talon]

He’s a very strong Psyker

[raven stone]

Ok but I mean you gotta be terrifying to stay on top of everyone too 😅

[arctic talon]

Truth

[raven stone]

So they tolerate their enemies for the sake of you tolerating them

NGL I actually want the game now to test how far my conceptual Inquisitor OC could (not) work in the 40k setting even under a comparatively ideological wild range training/upbringing

[languid meadow]

why is it so hard to find the classes/archetypes for the TT of Dark Heresy wtf

[arctic talon]

Just get the PDFs of the core rulebook if you can

Most of the FFG ttrpgs have awful documentation

[raven stone]

TT Dark Heresy is sadly no longer being produced as well

[arctic talon]

It is

The books are for 2e

Cubicle 7 still does

[languid meadow]

I wanted to check to see the possible options that would be added to the game, since all I've read from Owlcat is that they're expanding one of the backgrounds to be a class

[raven stone]

Oh right but I think they meant 1E? Unless I am mistaken

[arctic talon]

Yeah idk

I’d assume 2e

[raven stone]

1E is most likely out of print though

[arctic talon]

1e has been OOP for years

Yeah

[raven stone]

And since Rogue Trader is based off 1E…

[arctic talon]

Rogue trader never got a 2e

[winged jacinth]

Dark heresy crpg is presumably in pre-production at least until they start totally wrapping parts of the last rogue trader dlc

[arctic talon]

I don’t see why they wouldn’t use the definitive version of dark heresy

[winged jacinth]

I dont think owlcat has duplicate teams

[raven stone]

Fair, but yea.
Tyrant star should be a 1E plot line.
Unless they ported it to 2E as well

In which case it is up in the air which one they use.

[winged jacinth]

Isnt crpg rogue trader only a cousin to tabletop

[languid meadow]

Owlcat has expanded greatly since RT came out so I wouldn't be surprised if most of the team for their CRPG is on DH now with a small but decent sized team for the DLCs

[winged jacinth]

I never played ttrt

[languid meadow]

they're also working on Osiris at the same time

[arctic talon]

Gimme a moment

I've got the PDF

I can send images

[raven stone]

Owlcat’s RT is actually a lore continuation (somewhat, if condensed) of TT RT

[arctic talon]

also Tyrant star is 2e as well

Though 1e def has more on it

[raven stone]

Well well well
Now it truly is question as to which one Owlcat picks as continuation indeed.

[winged jacinth]

I think i knew TTRT was based in the expanse region?

[raven stone]

Yes, but Owlcat’s take place in the same expanse

You even meet 2 dynasties from the TT books

[winged jacinth]

Yeah that's what i mean i think i knew that part

[arctic talon]

I mean the story is releveant in both tbh

I'd assume its 2e

[winged jacinth]

Isnt the system itself a decently significant departure

[arctic talon]

since the Tyrant star has diminished by 2e

they can have it return

and yes Rogue Trader(the video game) has a fuck ton of differances

from the tabletop

most of the changes are good ones

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle you want to see a new version of satan's draft

that is absolute killer croc

[raven stone]

Yea Owlcat’s RT is only a lore continuation from 1E RT.
Systems is definitely revamped.

[winged jacinth]

Dark heresy will probably be nothing like dark heresy because why in gods name would you use a fantasy flight system for a crpg

[queen laurel]

oh yeah this is what it looks like when it opens its jaws

[languid meadow]

I was too focused on the whole tyrant star thing when looking at story primer for Dark Heresy and missed that it takes place during the Noctis Aeterna.

[arctic talon]

there isn't a 2e RT

unless you count homebrew

[raven stone]

Yea I meant Owlcat revamped mechanics from 1E

[arctic talon]

oh

[raven stone]

To make it work as CRPG

[arctic talon]

I c

anyways here's the career paths from Dark heresy 1e

lemme grab the roles from 2e

[languid meadow]

what background do you think is gonna be made into a class as per owlcats word

[arctic talon]

Ffs

goddamt

[arctic talon]

Psyker

lol

They are not letting psyker be an origin again

[fervent gull]

are nid warriors on par with marines? in terms of power?

[arctic talon]

About

[fervent gull]

wait

[arctic talon]

a marine could prolly kill multiple warriors

[fervent gull]

oh

I see

[arctic talon]

but warriors are basicially just marines

but nids

and can absolutely shred them

It goes both ways

[fervent gull]

Can a guardsman squad kill a warrior?

[arctic talon]

Hard but yes

since their carapace is tough

[raven stone]

Firepower.

[arctic talon]

^

if they've got just lasguns

my bet is on the warrior

if they've got heavy weapons and special weapons

[raven stone]

Just lots and lots of firepower, the heavier the better.

[arctic talon]

goodbye nid warrior lol

[fervent gull]

lets say there is a plasma gunner

[arctic talon]

Melta and plasma

are you golden ticket to killing marines and nid warriors

I'm gona be posting

the dark heresy 2e classes in chunks of 3

[hexed trail]

The absolute universe is just 80% nightmare fuel 20% DC and it's a perfect mix

[arctic talon]

anyways psyker is absolutely going to not be a background

in Dark Heresy

[hexed trail]

Unless you play SM and plasma is actually the worst anti nid weapon

[arctic talon]

gameplay vs lore

lul

[languid meadow]

I seethe when I think about space marine 2s energy weapons

[hexed trail]

I feel SM don't do a good job with conveying the power of the plasma

But SM has an overall issue of enemies being too tanky

And weapons not having the impact they should

[arctic talon]

Lore accurate nids vs lore accurate marines

hell gameplay

Spend 15 minutes after every fight picking fleshborers out of your armor lol

[hexed trail]

Not asking for complete lore accuracy but the sm weapons should pack a colossal punch

Only weapon that gets close in Vanilla sm2 is probably the melta

[sly ivy]

Who’s seething? Is someone seething without me

[hexed trail]

And my final grip with sm2 weapons is the sound team kinda fumbles on weapon sounds

[languid meadow]

me I am

I hate space marines melta and plasma so much

[sly ivy]

Shouldn’t melta be like a heat ray

Like war of the worlds

[languid meadow]

it's described as either an invisible heat ray or a beam

and not a shotgun blast of fire

[hexed trail]

I think rogue trader does a good melta where it got 2 fire modes one a beam and another an area attack

[languid meadow]

yeah that's the only depiction with the blast I've liked since it didn't get rid of the beam

fuck dude even the new HH trailer shows the melta being a beam

[winter vessel]

Accurate depiction of seeing another player in a Laser Tag Arena and he brought a weaponized Microwave

[sly ivy]

Well ya that’s in house qc

[winter vessel]

P Bombard looks cool

[sly ivy]

Also tho I think it should be invisible / a shimmer in the air

[arctic talon]

thats a combi volkite

[languid meadow]

I know it's just people will look at SMs version of the melta and go "This is what it's gonna be in darktide"

[arctic talon]

but art has it depicted as a beam

[languid meadow]

that's not a volkite weapon

[arctic talon]

Wait

what the fuck LOL

ITS A COMBI VOLKITE ON HIS MINI

w/e lol

thats really funny

[winter vessel]

You’ve been lied to

[hexed trail]

I think while not on table top I do think GW like the depiction of the area of effect melta blast because multiple games have done it now

[sly ivy]

Looks like he haulin carboys o Gatorade

[winter vessel]

And of course it’s the blue flavor

[arctic talon]

Well melta having a focused/unfocused mode isn't without precident

Firedragons had a template attack in 5e

with their meltas lol

[celest dome]

In fairness, there are multiple types of Melta tech in lore and some would make sense as beam and other as heat shotgun

[arctic talon]

Which GW removed

because

uh

Turns out a flamer template of melta

[sly ivy]

This looks dumb 2 y is it made of fire

[arctic talon]

kind of instantly obliterates most things

[winter vessel]

SM2’s Melta is the result of consistently opening and closing a microwave door on high power in front of people

[languid meadow]

yeah that's why I like the RT version the most since it has both, I'm fine with the blast as long as it doesn't get rid of the beam.

[hexed trail]

While SM and boltgun do the cone depiction, rogue trader does a combined depiction where it's both beam and cone with cone costing more ammo

And I actually like that way the most

[arctic talon]

RT's version is the best

by far

[winter vessel]

Agreed

[hexed trail]

If darktide ever do melta I hope it gets that type of implementation

[winter vessel]

Alternate fire mode feature most likely

[hexed trail]

More like aimed fire as alt will likely be heat vent

[winter vessel]

That’s the word yeah

[late osprey]

Well the Cone is just how the game does automatic fire period

[hexed trail]

Or it will do the opposite of RT and do standard as cone fire then aimed for more ammo do a cleaving beam

[winter vessel]

Cone shot will expend the entire magazine before a reload, the other being the beam that slowly drops the ammo count

[hexed trail]

There is burst in the game which is a 3 lane straight line

Cone is only on flamer and melta

[winter vessel]

Maybe cone can have the advantage on large mass low health unarmored groups but weak against armored enemies.

To like, balance it out? Idk

[hexed trail]

I think that is a good way to balance it

Can't have another plasma situation

Even though I love me plasma

[winter vessel]

Yes. Then if we do the aim fire mode where Melta has a more direct energy strike, it’ll be more effective on heavily armored units but restricted to single targets. I think like something akin to the Sniper class on SM2 with their las sniper

[winged jacinth]

Mixing high damage, armor pen, and aoe is a recipe for a game winner

You either have to limit use somehow or nix one part

[hexed trail]

The aoe would just have nuked adm stats to balance it

[winged jacinth]

It makes sense too, a cone is going to be worse at penetration than something focused by definition

[winter vessel]

Think it should have a mark variant? And if it did, how’d you imagine the alternate variant of the Melta would have?

[winged jacinth]

That's the difference between a garden hose and a waterjet cutter (more or less i know about the garnet and shit)

[hexed trail]

Ammo efficient but overall worse, not ammo efficient but overall better

[winged jacinth]

Considering how many different things meltas are its not a stretch to say you could defocus a melta beam and distribute the effect over an area

If you don't need to melt through a tank you can toast a decent sized area of person

[winter vessel]

Seems solid

[languid meadow]

honestly making the blast like the suppression shields stun would be cool

[hexed trail]

Plasma I feel could get a heavy variant that sort of acts like the vets grenade launcher with aoe explosions instead of cleave

[winged jacinth]

The imperium's strategy of naming things mostly after what they do instead of how they work has lead to so many funny things

Meltas? Shaped charges, plasma jets, laser cutters
Promethium? Liquid that burns
Amasec? Liquid that burns but doesn't kill you when you drink it

[hexed trail]

Also amasec is made from promthium waste

[winged jacinth]

Generations of scribes have fought and died over whether methanol is amasec or promethium

[winged jacinth]

You can do this for real but god knows how they have more oil than grain

The imperium probably has insane america style farming subsidies and turn grain into biodiesel back into grain alcohol lol

It would be funny to see an imperial promethium fleet designed to descend on worlds that had life millions of years before and suck up all their juices

I think they burn so much promethium it has to mostly be an agri-world product not something they dig up though

[raven stone]

Quick life in UK question
Are rude prank calls something that just happens?

[winged jacinth]

They were a thing in the US too before people stopped picking up calls without caller ID

[radiant lance]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/third-edition-space-marine-initiation
Muscle mommy space marines are a step closer

[sour hornet]

I dont like it

I want it to be a hyper-focused snap-beam of fuck you, with an optional wide ranged option for multi-target fuck you capability.

[radiant lance]

Have you all prayed to the machine spirit of the holy manufactorium of Raytheon today?

[sour hornet]

I always do

Raytheon, Northrop-Grumman, and General Dynamics.

The Missile, The Plane, The Gun.

[languid meadow]

till they're all forced to make a boat together

then you get the Zumwalt

[near wasp]

Thought it was general electric that made human to baloney mist technology

[radiant lance]

#darktide-pics-vids message

I renamed my vet

And now I keep asking people to pray for the machine spirit of Raytheon

Also, "CadianDustSnorter"
Best name I've ever made

[crystal forum]

recaff

[winged jacinth]

recaff is a liquid that is brown but doesnt burn

[crystal forum]

it kinda sounds like caffeine but it also sounds like an industrial product

[winged jacinth]

i think it implies they make decaf coffee and then recaffinate the decaf for some reason lol

either that or its something they caffeinate twice like refried beans

honestly its pretty unlikely that coffee beans are available to most imperials

they're not an efficient crop AND its a luxury so recaf is probably a synthetic coffee they add caffeine to

[crystal forum]

the funny thing is it's not even coffee

there is no actual caffeine in recaff

[winged jacinth]

w... why?

[crystal forum]

too expensive

[winged jacinth]

caffeine isnt hard to make

[crystal forum]

it's a substitute

[crystal forum]

it would take valuable agri planet space

[winged jacinth]

this is not a big deal to make in an industrial chemical reactor

the only reason we dont is we have enough caffeine as byproducts from decaffination to meet the demand for it

[crystal forum]

ok i guess it does have caffeine but it's not coffee

[winter vessel]

so in your words, what components would you need to consider it to be coffee

[winged jacinth]

oh well its not coffee, the only really useful definition for coffee is the result of a hot aqueous extraction of a roasted coffee bean

theres a lot of chemicals in coffee, most of which would be impractical to synthesize

recaff is probably water with some kind of bitterant, acid, and caffeine added to it

making something that, to paraphrase douglas adams, is almost but not quite entirely unlike coffee

[sly ivy]

This is the lore chat I treasure

[crystal forum]

i dont think a redbull is a coffee

[crystal forum]

it's literally energy drink

which would fit the guard

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-goodbye-chat-goodbye-chat-cat-goodbye-street-chat-goodbye-cat-gif-6918996525701452372

Also

[winged jacinth]

I think its at least described as hot and bitter?

Both of which make practical sense from an alertness standpoint aside from matching coffee

I was gonna say the imperium should give the guard panzerschokolade but then i remembered they give you the combat drugs with no chocolate

[raven stone]

You would probably understand this: reminds me of Ei and her very first reaction to dango milk…

[crystal forum]

i dont care, i will now imagine guardsmen drink rip its

wait what if recaff is meant to be tea

since it's british and everything

[rocky gale]

Brits drink coffee too

[crystal forum]

they drink a lot more tea

[rocky gale]

Yea but no one drinks tea for caffeine

[crystal forum]

i haven't seen tea referenced at all in 40k is why im wondering

[rocky gale]

It's mentioned in Above and Beyond

Commissard Tobia Von Shard drinks tea, while his Scions drink Recaff that's brewed to be as thick as mud

[winged jacinth]

Even manufactory workers get recaff i think
Ubiquitous stimulant drink

[celest dome]

Cain drink Tanna, isn't that tea ?

[winged jacinth]

I imagine

Tanna from tannins

Tanna might be synth tea

[crystal forum]

doesnt coffee have tannins

[fervent gull]

Why do psykers don't like psyhic null people?

[storm jungle]

because nulls hurt them and give them super-headaches and drive them near death

they have the same effect on normal people but not as extreme, mostly

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blank

[fervent gull]

No I read that wiki page

I don't get how they drive the psykers near desth

Aren't they just people with relation to warp?

[storm jungle]

Blanks? No

[fervent gull]

Shouldn't they be invisible to psykers?

[storm jungle]

they dont have a Warp connection

You are only "invisible" if you are like the highst tier of blank

otherwise you are just a normal bloke

[fervent gull]

I forgot to add no before relation

[arctic talon]

Blanks are literally snuffing out the warp

around them

They smother its presence

[fervent gull]

Sounds complicated

[arctic talon]

Think of blanks having an aura of "stillness"

[storm jungle]

Tbh its not that complicated

its just magic bullshit

[arctic talon]

while said stillness normally causes extreme discomfort or mental distress in people

It causes extreme pain for psykers

[fervent gull]

So they are cutting the psyker's thread with the warp?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[fervent gull]

Now it makes sense

Can they kill them that way?

Or just make them pass out?

[storm jungle]

Depends on the Blank

again they got power-levels

like Elite said it will go from "UGH get away from me!" to "MAKE IT STOPPP"

https://tenor.com/view/red-guy-dhmis-don't-hug-me-i'm-scared-explode-head-explode-gif-1263121468274808644

[fervent gull]

Found out by accident that necrons used blanks for pariahs

Why is that specifically?

[storm jungle]

It looked cool

also they needed bodyguard units

the lychguard replaced them + their use on tabletop kinda became redundant so it got phased out

[fervent gull]

I get the intention but

Couldn't necrons use like, billion of other normal humans for pariahs?

[storm jungle]

No because a pariah needs to a blank

[raven stone]

Not really

[fervent gull]

Why blanks specificaly?

[storm jungle]

because they deny the Warp

[raven stone]

It's anti magic baked into the DNA

In essence

[fervent gull]

Hm

[storm jungle]

Again dont think too deep about it

literally all these are from some british nerds going "yeah this sounds cool"

[fervent gull]

So they can't make a necron out of a normal guman?

[storm jungle]

No

pariahs were essentially slave-soldiers made to be loyal to necrons

[fervent gull]

Is GW british?

[storm jungle]

Yes, entirely

[fervent gull]

Oh

[raven stone]

Very much definitely

[storm jungle]

40k's dystopian angle came from Thatcherite Era britain

[raven stone]

Founder outright got a knighthood for it

[fervent gull]

So even in pariah state normal humans have a chance to get corrupted?

[arctic talon]

This has been retcon'd entierly regarding the existence of Pariah's

[raven stone]

A lot of 40k is based on British satire

[storm jungle]

and unfortunately still kinda is

but its taken on a more global scale now

because people suck

[raven stone]

And because some assholes don't understand satire at all as well!

[arctic talon]

We need Guard Commander megakilldeath genocider of trillions next

[raven stone]

(Or they willfully ignore it)

[fervent gull]

If the british satire is this grimdark I don't want to be in UK

[arctic talon]

Tbf

British satire at the time was very depressing

bcs of thatcher lol

also 1e was the most saterical edition was prolly the most lighthearted

[raven stone]

As someone who migrated to the UK the real life politics remains as satirical as 40k

[arctic talon]

40k didn't start trying to take itself seriously in terms of presenting a universe till 2e

[fervent gull]

Wise words my man

[late osprey]

A psyker can't stand a blank the same way someone who reads the books can't stand someone who watched exclusively Emperor TTS device

[fervent gull]

Still can't comprehend how 40k is considered satire tho

[raven stone]

And then they went overboard in 3rd Edition.

Then currently they kind of swing between actual satire and trying to take it seriously.

[fervent gull]

Guess its too much depressing that's why it countereffects

[raven stone]

You can actually make 40k setting a bit less depressing if you flip it on it's head.

[fervent gull]

I don't get any joke made by TTS

[raven stone]

In the entirely horrible universe where it looks like everything is going wrong

[fervent gull]

What does it mean?

[raven stone]

Something, somewhere, is going right.

It's a reference to a now defunct YouTube fan thing

Where they just do 40k for absolute comedy

[fervent gull]

Interpretation you mean? Or having your canon universe in your head?

It's hard to understand english sometimes it's not my native language

[fervent gull]

Was it a fan series?

[raven stone]

Both. Various Black Library novels have tried to show that life can be somewhat normal away from thr battlefield

[raven stone]

Yes

[fervent gull]

In 40k or in IRL?

[raven stone]

Life in 40k that is

[fervent gull]

What does it currently mean for the community? I hear very conflicting opinions time to time

Hard to grasp

[raven stone]

It's...TTS is hard to explain.

Shorthand for "If The Emperor had a Text To Speech device", it was a fan series that decided to go with the most comedy centric possible interpretation

[sly ivy]

40K is like the most British thing in existence

[late osprey]

TTS is a fan series where they make fun of some of the lore and make memes of it

[fervent gull]

Sounds fucking amazing

[late osprey]

There's not much else to it

People are allowed to laugh at things, but some people unironically take the memes literally and think the setting is actually like that

The worst example of which being the whole Magnus & Chaos thing

[raven stone]

Some like it. Some don't. Mostly people who are big into the lore think it makes everyone act out of character is my guess.

[fervent gull]

And because of that we get people lashing out at newcomers who learnt it from the memes

[raven stone]

I don't much like it.

[fervent gull]

Is it on youtube?

[arctic talon]

it is

but I think the early episodes are

bad

The later ones are better

[raven stone]

No longer updated as well

[arctic talon]

yeah its dead

[raven stone]

I think creators stopped

[late osprey]

It's specifically when said newcomers actually insist that the meme lore is canon in a serious discussion that really annoys people

[arctic talon]

beyond just being horrifically burnt out of TTS

lol

[fervent gull]

How many episodes?

[arctic talon]

uh

[raven stone]

Willingly, mind you

[arctic talon]

27?

[young pecan]

I feel like the worst example is the Ork imagination thing

[fervent gull]

Amazing

[arctic talon]

I find the longform podcasts/videos funniest

"who knows Ian, maybe this will be my next movie"

[fervent gull]

Well yeah I get it but the current situation is a whole chaos to its own

[raven stone]

And then they act all surprised when a war setting has horrible things happen.

[fervent gull]

Its like a battlefield everyone separated and fighting by themselves

[late osprey]

There's a lot of super obnoxious perpetuations, them making Kaldor Draigo into the Penguin of D00m for example. I just personally dislike how they communicated Chaos and how people who don't know better took it literally because Chaos is my favorite faction

[raven stone]

Wait there is a new Internet argument over it?

[arctic talon]

no

[young pecan]

Slaanesh is chaos god of le horny gaiz

Gaiz I don't know anything about Slaanesh except sex

[fervent gull]

I can't keep track of much the arguments because I'm a bit far from the overall community but I think its not looking good

[young pecan]

(gets tied to a chair and tortured in lore)

[fervent gull]

Youtube is a battlefield

[late osprey]

Magnus from a fan project: "Yeah so actually every Chaos god has a good side of them and really they're equal-parts good and evil"
TTS watchers: "DUDE Khorne is LITERALLY the god of honor and chivalry"

[arctic talon]

youtube

[late osprey]

It's like

[arctic talon]

awful

lol

[late osprey]

Wrong on both levels

It's surreal

[arctic talon]

Youtube and twitter

[fervent gull]

Anyways I'm off to watch TTS gn everyone

[arctic talon]

for 40k

Reddits awful as well

[young pecan]

Khorne is honorable

And is generally known for being a good guy

[fervent gull]

Yeah 40k yt and x is a shitshow

[young pecan]

We all know this

[raven stone]

They also get their lore all degrees of wrong

[late osprey]

You don't get it, guys, Magnus in a cartoon said "Khorne is the god of violence but also the god of fighting back." so that means that Khornates don't kill unarmed people.

[young pecan]

Don't ask why plenty of the skulls on his chair are smaller than the others

[fervent gull]

Drinking your sick grandmother's blood is honorable! 🙂

[young pecan]

He's honorable he would never hurt children

[late osprey]

Me when Khorne is the god of organized MMA tournaments and nothing else

"Argh... Kharn you can't fight that guy, he's two weight-classes below you, Khorne wouldn't like that!"

[raven stone]

Technical truth. Khorne itself might find it too boring but his followers...

[arctic talon]

Kharn literally decapitating a child in a short story

lol

[raven stone]

Oh

[late osprey]

Seriously. What part of "KHORNE CARES NOT FROM WHERE THE BLOOD FLOWS" do people not understand?

[young pecan]

I mean, every chaos god DOES also represent good aspects but those are like horrible twisted versions of those aspects as far as I can tell

The "good" aspects are usually just the cheese in the mouse trap to get people to sign up

[late osprey]

There is actually literally 0 evidence of that outside of a 40-year old book published in-universe from the perspective of a schizophrenic cultist

[arctic talon]

for WHFB

[late osprey]

Who scribbles in the margins

[arctic talon]

lol

[late osprey]

Yeah

Chaos Gods have 0 redeeming aspects to them whatsoever

[young pecan]

I'm not saying it's genuinely good at all

[sharp pollen]

level of "never took shower in his whole life"

[late osprey]

And I'm saying they are literally pure evil

[young pecan]

I'm saying the good things are how they trick people into willingly joining

[late osprey]

And that's just the way they should be.

[young pecan]

Ofc they're pure evil

[late osprey]

Any good aspects brought up in dialogue are just demagoguery from cultists who, at best, possess the same untrue fanfiction and, at worst, know it's bullshit but just want to trick people who don't know better.

Like it's not true, it's essentially just distortions of the actual religion solely to recruit people

[raven stone]

It's either that or Chaos entities just are not interested because they can't manipulate people with it

[young pecan]

Exactly

[late osprey]

True worship is flaying innocents alive and wearing their skin as a cape, anything short the Chaos Gods don't care for

So, really, Chaos followers are some of the most wholesome and ethical people in 40k.

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[raven stone]

You would be amazed at the number of people who think Chaos life is better than Imperium life...

[raven stone]

Or how Chaos will just stop being a threat if Imperium is NoT FaScIsT

[young pecan]

Isn't Nurgle life technically nice
While you're hallucinating, that is

[late osprey]

It's better only in the sense that there's a 1 in a trillion chance that you can become a Daemon Prince, which is one of a handful of ways to actually "win" at 40k

What they don't tell you is that every other outcome has you being tortured for literal eternity. Pretty bad even when compared to the Imperium

Imperium's just a net 100% chance of normal ordinary suffering, compared to Chaos's 99.99% chance of super suffering

[fervent gull]

Tts got me screaming in the middle of the night

A banger opening

I like it

[winged jacinth]

This came up in a different discord completely unprompted and i felt obligated to share it with you https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544146545797234688/1394791449370820781/image.png?ex=687969c3&is=68781843&hm=e93a45730465b8927e1fb3b4b85c117ab47d13188e17f061b423d0d25d0bf752&

[arctic talon]

not green taurox

L

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745324840097153167/1338801874303979591/IMG_5275.png?ex=68796928&is=687817a8&hm=265d9940e40b9c550b191faad99eb756d805457ff6b294e790d4394aba968694&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=293&height=350

The superior drink approved by the munitorum

[winged jacinth]

Can i get a white green taurox ultra

[arctic talon]

Yes!

[winged jacinth]

I just scrolled up a bit are necron pariahs even still around with newcrons

[arctic talon]

no

retcon'd

[winged jacinth]

Makes sense

If being put into necrodermis doesn't make you a roboslave instantly they make even less sense than they did which wasn't much

Ive never really understood why people have so much trouble understanding blanks, sure the fundamental roots are wacky but the coarse grained effects are pretty simple

Their souls have the opposite effect on the warp as psykers do more or less

[fervent gull]

Guys were goge vandire's last words I'm too busy to die?

[winged jacinth]

Download the ebook

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was lol

"I dont have time to die! IM TOO BUSY"

[fervent gull]

Lmao

[winged jacinth]

Yeah a very cursory google confirms it lol

[fervent gull]

There are 40k ebooks?

WHERE

I NEED TO READ

AAAAAAA

[winged jacinth]

Do they not get epubbed? You can probably find them on libgen regardless

[fervent gull]

Oh lemme try

Which book should I read for that

[winged jacinth]

????

What book do you want to read

It looks like the catalog is pretty complete

[fervent gull]

I'm currently on libgen but there is only 6 books about warhammer

And my blind eyes can't find where the ebooks are

[fervent gull]

Well anything counts

But our topic was age of apostasy so it would be good if I can read about it

Anything counts either way I didn't read any book untill today

[winged jacinth]

Oh i have no idea what books are set in the AoA
Abnett's eisenhorn trilogy is a good intro imo

Inquisitor books

[storm jungle]

Theres no book set in Age of Apostasy due to a lack of space marines

[winged jacinth]

Covers a lot of life in the imperium you don't see in the war books

People like warhammer crime for the same reason but i havent read them

Kingmaker, the assassin book, is also popular

There's a lot of good war books but there its kinda pick a faction

[plush mason]

do power knives/daggers exist?

[fervent gull]

Well but on wiki it's so detailed?

How if theres no book?

[winged jacinth]

Rulebooks, magazines, mentions in other stuff

[languid meadow]

Rulebooks have a shit ton of lore as well

[plush mason]

^

[winged jacinth]

The lexicanum is written by true scribes

[languid meadow]

most of the misc stuff we have of factions comes from rulebooks (besides marines since they have a 60+ saga)

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1320053230561919057/1395169545957802115/warhammer-twitter-v0-r2l198yij9df1.webp?ex=68797864&is=687826e4&hm=3f1c0e37ba22bcb308a8dcab4e7e282a4950af1a7f5b77ea47cbf5d593f18054&=&format=webp

[plush mason]

didnt the space marines and admech go to war with the rest of the imperium at the time? seems like a lot of novels could be made about that

[winged jacinth]

If there's info about something mentioned randomly in an unrelated source it will be in the lexicanum with full citations

[arctic talon]

it was a ton of imperial infighting

the eclisarchy split in two essentially

The guard also was rebelling in some places/also aligned with goge

[fervent gull]

Feels like an ogryn wrote that paragraph

[plush mason]

yeah the imperium basically ripped itself apart afaik

[winged jacinth]

shoutout to the lexicanum refusing to have the false memory lamenters warcry because no one could source it

true academic rigour

[plush mason]

if only wikipedia did the same

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside the age of apostosy and moirae schism

are like bigger + longer civil wars then the heresy

but they just have 0 fucking lore lol

less destructive sure

but there were way more fucking people involved

[plush mason]

well now that HH is done they might made the age of apostosy the next mega series

[arctic talon]

unlikely

Blacklibrary has said

they never want to do anything like heresy again

[plush mason]

damn but understandable

[winged jacinth]

i think they want to renew focus on moving the universe forward yeah

[arctic talon]

well besides that

heresy was just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long

from 10 books

to uh

[winged jacinth]

that too lmao

[plush mason]

like i said, mega series

[winged jacinth]

its something you only read all the way through if you got tricked when it had less books

[arctic talon]

I read the whole thing

unfortunately lol

[winged jacinth]

and i bet its because you got tricked when there were less books huh

you thought "surely they wont release 70 more of these"

[arctic talon]

Uhh

[winged jacinth]

please dont tell me you started recently

ill cry

[arctic talon]

they were on 20 something

when I started lol

[winged jacinth]

they hit 63 apparently

[plush mason]

please tell me 80 is just hyperbole

ok thats still not much better

[arctic talon]

Its 63 yes

excluding short stories

and audio dramas

(thank fuck)

[plush mason]

i wonder how that happened

[arctic talon]

scope creep

from the words of the authors

lol

Once they had started digging the hole

[plush mason]

ah the classic

[arctic talon]

it was too late

finish digging the hole

[winged jacinth]

when i read the ones i did i read all the ones that were out but i think prospero burns was the last one then

[crystal forum]

blessed

[winged jacinth]

i kinda fell off reading warhammer once i caught up on all the stuff i cared about and never went back

i read the first 3 arcs of gaunts ghosts, eisenhorn and ravenor, that chunk of HH, and a few random other books but once i was caught up on those main ones i just kinda moved on

i think when bequin's books are FINALLY FINISHED i will read those

please god GW let dan write stuff thats not marines

you already made him write 1700 pages to end the HH series

set him free

[arctic talon]

He's gona finish Bequin

[winged jacinth]

dude i remember going "wow i really liked ravenor im looking forward to when abnett continues this trilogy of trilogy thing"
in like
2008

my ravenor omnibus has the awesome cover though

the new one is wack the black and white rosette cover is great

[covert kiln]

I want Abnett to write about more "niche" units and stuff. Cadian stuff is great, but I like the fact that Tanith were a great unit, that most generals were too stupid to use.

[young pecan]

Give it to me

Last time I tried to find Ravenor omnibus they were out

[winged jacinth]

no it lives next to my real nerd books

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cry-crying-burst-into-tears-cry-and-run-gif-24530754

[arctic talon]

Someone is painting Vashtorr on another discord

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1395174789944971264/IMG_20230528_131346_edit_123094625191632.jpg?ex=68797d47&is=68782bc7&hm=6b47994f6d058b130ea0f34941caae94befbb3df499d83aacddc13ee2bbf0f5c&=&format=webp&width=629&height=960

here's naked vashtorr

[winged jacinth]

(my box set of hardcovers of Donald Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming volumes 1-4a)

[languid meadow]

I have acquired the silent king novel

[winged jacinth]

they seem like they've stocked the new edition well but you have to pay a lot if you want this version

[silver crescent]

Curious, lore wise are autoguns even used in comparison to lasguns?

and by who if yes?

[covert kiln]

Wasn't the Siege of Vraks defended with autoguns?

[sharp pollen]

i think whatever the planet produces, people on this planet will use it in their majority

the thing is what planets and how many of them produce autoguns and lasguns

[silver crescent]

I am curious why even use autoguns when have laser?

Why traditional bullet?

[sharp pollen]

cause tradition...

[dapper gyro]

Are you trying to compare it to real life or something?

[silver crescent]

For some reason

just seems weird

[dapper gyro]

Because in lore, guard tier AG is as strong if not stronger than lasgun in some cases.

[nocturne crest]

Who would be for or against knights, both loyal and traitor, getting their own unique knight with the ability to jump?

[arctic talon]

Knights literally can jump already

just not very high

[plush mason]

because some situations make las weapons less effective

[arctic talon]

ease of production, special issue ammunition, being poor

ect.

[silver crescent]

I see

[nocturne crest]

Oh.

[dapper gyro]

Oh, do you know an emp can make an entire legion of guardsmen NS?

[nocturne crest]

Well, I was just thinking if Cawl or Vashtorr strapped a giant jetpack to some knights.

[plush mason]

so are power knives/daggers a thing in 40k?

[silver crescent]

What are those situations?

[arctic talon]

Fog

[arctic talon]

Alpha Legion, Inqusition, Offico Assasinorum

[dapper gyro]

EMP, mist, dust, armour type.

[arctic talon]

Alpha Legion are the favored users of the thing

[plush mason]

some atmospheric conditions and some armor types

basically anything that can distrupt the laser's beam

[arctic talon]

also some people might just

literally not have the ability to use it bcs they aren't around

[plush mason]

yeah

[dapper gyro]

Kinetic attacks will eventually shatter armour faster than lasgun can melt those.

[plush mason]

iirc ceremite is highly effective against lasers due to it's high reflective property

[arctic talon]

Tbf autoguns and lasguns

both suck into power armor

when using standard ammo

[plush mason]

yeah

[dapper gyro]

Funny enough, the Agrippina AG in Darktide is pretty close to some of the visual guides.

In game, those Agrippina patterns also have higher damage, because one of the books says that they use the same ammo as some small heavy stubber.

[silver crescent]

What doesn't?

[arctic talon]

Plasma

melta

Shuriken weapons

heavier las weapons

[silver crescent]

what are shuriken weapons?

[arctic talon]

modern bolter rounds are decent

eldar guns

they fire a bunch of projectiles and shred shit

most heavy and special weapons can make quick work of power armor

Autocannons

for xenos guns that make quick work of Power armor

See: the entire Tau arsenal

and the necron one

and the craftworld eldar one as well

Drukhari have a lot of weapons that are awful into power armor but it doesn't matter

[dapper gyro]

If we talk of IRL physic, laser needs to be hold on to a point to do noticeable damage. The energy (J) from laser and kinetic projectile are not the same. Laser is more of thermal energy over time, kinetic is immediate.

Some laser have thousand times more thermal energy than a bullet, but it might not even burn your skin.

[winged jacinth]

joules is joules but burning is a lot harder than pushing through

[dapper gyro]

Autocannon are just bigger autogun... same with lascannon. Both would delete SM.

[winged jacinth]

however lasgun power packs are space magic

[dapper gyro]

Actual lasgun would works more like volkite weapons.

[winged jacinth]

the main reason the guard uses lasguns is because the power packs hold a huge number of shots per pack and can be recharged with generators or even campfires

[arctic talon]

In any case marines have a lot of stuff that can get through the armor lol

Also lasguns are easy logistics

[winged jacinth]

you dont need to ship in millions of tons of autogun bullets

[arctic talon]

Absurdly easy to use as well

Very little recoil

Give a child a lasgun and they’ll be able to control the recoil fine

[dapper gyro]

But heavier and in older time, might overheat and explode.

[winged jacinth]

with the magic powerpack they're the ultimate workhorse

also scifi "lasers"

[arctic talon]

Relevant

"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops."

[winged jacinth]

im doing my part!

[dapper gyro]

It is a force equalizer.

[silver crescent]

interesting

[winged jacinth]

the main difference is that not only do lasers have to burn instead of just pushing stuff apart, they tend to spend a whole lot of energy adding more heat to stuff they've already burnt

using a wedge to part flesh will probably always be the easiest way to kill a person

terrible weakness how much we rely on being all connected together right

[dapper gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVlL0FNbSE This laser is 250W (250J/S).
A 9x19mm NATO is about 450J.
So for 2 seconds holding the laser focused on 1 point, it should do more damage than a 9mm bullet... but it clearly can't.

[silver crescent]

These WH40 people are cracked beyond belief then to make this work lol

[dapper gyro]

Though, it can do more stuff that the kinetic energy can't.

[dapper gyro]

The dude is not even a WH40K fan. He is just a laser scientist... a mad one.

[silver crescent]

I meant like WH40k in universe individuals who made lasers actually owrk

[dapper gyro]

Oh, well, without magic, lasgun in 40K is impossible.

[gaunt lily]

the ability for computers to aim lasers to track a target with no complex balistics or lag beyond the speed of light allowing them to keep hitting one spot on something till it burns through is basically the only reason lasers are viable rn

[arctic talon]

The way the 40k lasgun and it’s powerpack work violate physics lol

Which is fine

Because it’s cool

[gaunt lily]

nu uh, recharging my batteries over a campfire and in the sun is totally normal

nothing bad has ever come from cooking a battery

[sly ivy]

Verified

[gaunt lily]

fact checked by a real inquisitorial warband

[vagrant fox]

Inhaling the fumes gives you power, like eating the heart of a lion to gain its courage

[winged jacinth]

The lasgun and powerpack literally use a made up unit of energy lol

Megathoules

[late osprey]

Smart ngl

Wish more sci-fi did that

[sly ivy]

Based

[crystal forum]

there are other reasons too. lasers don't produce harmful metal shrapnel like conventional AA ammunition does. most importantly, the reason why countries are going to lasers is because they are vastly cheaper to use per enemy shot down than missiles or AA cannons

[gaunt lily]

in that sense theres more potential in that microwave setup that shakes stuff appart in a general direction

just gotta finetune projecting that energy further than a kilometer

[crystal forum]

ballistic computers were already perfected in the 90's. it's not complicated anymore to track fast moving aicraft. the issue is range since the more a plane is farther away the more drastic the accuracy becomes. lasers have the other issue of divergence over distance that limits their effective range

[crystal forum]

this is nothing for a high powered laser btw. metal cutters take around 1kw to cut metals and can go up to 60kw of power depending on the thickness of the metal

plus the reason the laser looks so weak for its apparent power output is probably because of the large radius. surface area is an important factor for energy transfer calculations

metal cutters have tiny laser points with a lot of power behind them

personally idk why people are fascinated with handheld lasers when we already have really powerful industrial stuff in the world

we're never getting lasguns

[storm jungle]

Its kind of the reality with most weapons people want from fiction to IRL

Like... we got already lethal enough stuff that does the job, theres no need to innovate when theres no need for it.

Its why most armies around the world almost never change service rifles or other equipment half the time until like decades pass.

[arctic talon]

The power of momentum

[opaque coyote]

If I remember correctly, Orks take more damage from auto guns instead of lasguns

Forgot why tho

[arctic talon]

They don’t

They do get repelled more easily with them

Because they’re loud

[opaque coyote]

... gonna hate this but is it due to their gestalt

Like

They hear the loud dakka

Therefore they believe it's more... idk lethal?

It's not enough to actually have it more lethal

But they think it is therefore they run away

[arctic talon]

It’s just that they associate loud noises with firepower

Lol

So autoguns are a lot louder

And scarier

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

Like "Pew Pew = weak"

"Bang Bang = Stronger"

So they run away because they think it's more powerful

[opaque coyote]

Always wonder why the Orks think that less loud things are less damaging

Seems like a weird design choice from the Old Ones

[arctic talon]

Prolly to do with fearlessness into crons

Cron guns aren’t very loud

[opaque coyote]

True

[arctic talon]

The loudest ones are the Tesla weapons

Which are thundercracks

Not bang bang bang

Orks don’t seem to mind artillery that much

[opaque coyote]

Well that's just weird

Like artillery is usually loud and should be a case where you

Run the fuck away

Old Ones

[dapper gyro]

Which is funny because shell explosion creates blast faster than the speed of sound.

[arctic talon]

Not high rate of fire

I’d guess

Orks need the high rate of fire + loud

To get their “fix”

[opaque coyote]

What the fuck is wrong with your biological modifications

[arctic talon]

So to speak

[opaque coyote]

So they would love shit like

Miniguns and Machine Guns

[arctic talon]

Yes

Explicitly

[dapper gyro]

AGL system

[arctic talon]

It’s why they like tau pulse munitions and railguns more then tau ion weapons

They make loud noises

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Damn I guess Orks can never fully enjoy shotguns then.

Unless if they're auto

[arctic talon]

It got represented in 8e and 9e

With the Dakka Dakka Dakka rule

[opaque coyote]

Actually they would fucking love Ogryn ripper guns

[arctic talon]

But 7e and 10e don’t have that as a baseline ork rule

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the schematics seems to be a bit weird

Like why they didn't just make "louder = dakkaer"

Or something

Simple

Is just confusing

[dapper gyro]

Add muzzle brake = more damage... Lol?

[opaque coyote]

Video game ahh logic

Again, Orks need to be the protags of a video game more often

They even have genetic skill trees ffs

[dapper gyro]

Muzzle brake redirects the gas out, so it feels louder for the user.

[opaque coyote]

Also fun fact.

Suppressors in R6S used to be ass

Now they're decent

Ironically enough by making them more accurate to how they work

Basically originally it was just like a -20% damage decrease

But now it's higher damage fall off

Which is supposed to mirror how suppressors can cause lesser bullet velocity

Idk why I'm saying this

It's just fun

[dapper gyro]

That's not true though...

[opaque coyote]

Wait nvm

I'm wrong again

Damn

[dapper gyro]

Useless you use subsonic ammunition, there is no actual velocity reduction.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's from the ammo

Speaking of which

Ever wonder where the pillow silencer thing came from?

Like I always wonder what was the first movie

That decided to use it

(presumably because it's cool)

[dapper gyro]

I think that it started from some books first.

How? Idk...

[opaque coyote]

Also apparently it does muffle it, the pillow thing

Just not significantly enough to matter. That shit is still gonna ring throughout the house.

But hey it technically makes some sense

[arctic talon]

People don’t know how loud guns are mostly

Lol

[dapper gyro]

I mean, people think that bottle or oil can would work...

[opaque coyote]

Although I think the pillow thing was actually for the splash of blood

Like the pillow blocks the blood from spraying out

So you're not fucking splattered with blood

[opaque coyote]

I find it funny that silencers were banned

Because like

Unless if you're trying to reenact sniper elite or something

It ain't doing shit

[dapper gyro]

Canada gun law is made by idiots.

[languid meadow]

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[queen laurel]

bro is like 75% mouth

[languid meadow]

Yea

posted this like 2 days ago

[queen laurel]

i also posted it earlier

[winter vessel]

Man is all Teef

[queen laurel]

but being serious though

i hope to god they at least keep him more of a good guy this time

Because ref Batman needs help

[languid meadow]

can't wait for absolute scarecrow

[winter vessel]

Might just be me but I think this is the only beastly take I’ve seen them do with Croc, but I haven’t read much comics that feature him

[queen laurel]

he usually looks something like this

His absolute version is definitely the most scary though

[winter vessel]

Agreed

[queen laurel]

his other versions have a human like quality to them or at least more reptilian

the absolute one is just like take the head of a crocodile and make a person out of that

[sharp pollen]

ah its that villain... what was his name... Coc

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I find Bane to be somewhat funny

Because the guy was like

"Yeah keep it up bro, I know you can do it!"

While beating the shit out of bruce

and then the textbox says something like

"He was sent to the infirmary... again"

[queen laurel]

yeah but killer croc

[opaque coyote]

I do hope that they actually keep Killer Croc as a good guy.

Cause like...

[queen laurel]

holy shit

this is my favorite version of him

[opaque coyote]

He always was sympathetic.

[queen laurel]

He needs it

[opaque coyote]

But still a villain

So having a change of pace would be nice

[queen laurel]

like make him an antihero or something

this version of croc is probably the most monstrous one anyway

And it's still recognize Bruce

[opaque coyote]

I think every version of Darkseid is the same one.

So like, he remembered Batman shooting him with the Radion bullet and was like

"Alright. Fuck you."

makes absolute universe

[opaque coyote]

Honestly was kinda shocked at that happening

With how much horrific shit Bruce casually encountered in the labs

including a fucked up version of Poison Ivy and Clayface

[queen laurel]

Him and Bruce are best friends in this universe

[opaque coyote]

I expected him to get bodied

[opaque coyote]

aware but

honestly didn't expect him to recognize Bruce

y'know cause...

imagine turning from a regular guy to fucking that

[queen laurel]

it's a good thing too because he was getting pieced up by

bane

[opaque coyote]

Absolute Bane is probably one of my favorite versions.

I love how he's completely chill while

beating the shit out of Batman

like he was a hulking beast and yet dismantled him with only his fingers

[queen laurel]

my favorite Batman villain is killer croc so it's no brainer absolute killer croc is my favorite

[opaque coyote]

you seem to have an affinity with green

[queen laurel]

Well for some reason in fiction green is the colour of absolutely angry and insane people that just like hitting things the most brutal way possible

i don't know what god given rule happened why green turned into the color of guys that would kick your head in and then slam a car on you but i suppose there's a reason why i like it

[opaque coyote]

I think it's because red and green are conplementary colors

works well with the color of blood

[late osprey]

asked this question before, it may not be universal (doomslayer for existence probably is not applicable as he has different reasons for being green) but the answer seemingly is that green is the ultimate color of Nature and is therefore one of the best options to evoke barbarity and savagery

aside from red, of course

but red isn't actually a very oftenly occurring color in nature

doomguy's green because marines in the 80s were green

that's about it

[opaque coyote]

also personal favorite is

two face

i think he is very underused

[late osprey]

also orks being green was actually an accident

[opaque coyote]

at least compared to the clown

[opaque coyote]

really?

[late osprey]

yeah, so the story goes one of the first GW employees had never encountered LOTR before and so had no idea what color orcs "should" be

so he just picked green arbitrarily

and it just spread out from there

specifically one of GW's painters