40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Fast(for a Duradin)

Prolly normal movement for them as a faction

On the tabletop

[rose thorn]

My bet is like, 5 inches

[arctic talon]

They’re Duradin wych’s/j

[celest dome]

So kinda like Bardin in VT2

But maybe with leap and stuff

[celest cedar]

had to double take 1st time seeing this

bruh they only went after the plasteel in the distance 😭

[storm jungle]

REAL.

[green loom]

"Misappropriation of ammunition, Mandated edict: Bullet shield"

[plush mason]

so there isnt a rank between arbitrator and proctor?

[arctic talon]

They’ll have the usual khadron gimmicks is my bet

So ehhhh not really?

Baradin might get some serious air time but he cannot literally fly

[hallow saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/H1Tuv61.png oh shit son!!!!!!

ffinally shipped

no Lucius tho, think hes had more delays

[winter vessel]

Love Fulgrim’s expression in this

[plush mason]

it is peak

[hallow saddle]

Fulgers

[winter vessel]

“Snake. Imma snaaake I’m sthlithery little sneaky snaake…”

[hallow saddle]

im actually most excited for more Milliput 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 cause mine has gone weird

[celest dome]

Was thinking on a Vt3 - AoS sequel

[plush mason]

so why does everyone hate Ducane?

[storm jungle]

like IRL or ingame?

[plush mason]

even the Arbitrators dont like her and they just got here

ingame

[storm jungle]

Ah, its because shes a military politician who sticks her nose into matters mostly above her station

shes entirely even allowed onboard the ship as is just to appease her and make sure she makes no fuss lol

same as how one of the Inquisition console operators in her station area is literally a spy for Rannick and she know as much lol

[plush mason]

i wonder if they have any dialog lines

similar to swagger and hadron

[chrome owl]

They say stuff now and then kinda rare tho

[languid meadow]

Oh yeah I forgot to post this in here last night but it's cool they mention this in game, for some reason I thought they would do it.

[opaque coyote]

Because it's funny

After all a lot of soldiers, cops, etc. shit talk each other even while on the job

It's a natural human impulse

And the Arbites are essentially if the SEC or IRS had a personal death squad

[plush mason]

and it actually helps build and maintain squad cohesion

busting each other's chops helps people work togeather

[dapper gyro]

Pointing out each other's weakness is essential in their line of work.

[bold veldt]

have we known hadron is from Urdesh

[tough haven]

What was that craftworld that got absolutely bodied by like 100 space marines?

The craftworld with a population of millions of not more

[celest dome]

Idharae ?

[tough haven]

Is that it?

[vagrant fox]

It's them or Malantai

Idharae got destroyed by the Invaders chapter after getting bodied by tyranids

[celest dome]

Think so, a small craftworld that just got out of combat and a small contigent of SM attacked it, SM fans often point to it as proof of strength of SM. But they had help for the ghost SM

[storm jungle]

Malantai got nuked by Tyranids.

theres a lot of no name generic craftworlds that get blown up so its prob one of them

[vagrant fox]

Didn't Malantai have something to do with space marines, I forget

or i could google it

yea ogey, it's probably Idharae with the Invaders chapter

[sly ivy]

Ah thought I would never get a hold of one of these. Will use for… Creed, maybe?

[tough haven]

I thought it was the one named in the path of the eldar books

[storm jungle]

Alaitoc doesnt get destroyed.

[tough haven]

Oh sorry, it just got fucking decimated

Like almost completely

[storm jungle]

Eh not really but yeah

[tough haven]

Isn’t it like barely on its last legs rn?

[storm jungle]

because the events of the book are not really ever mentioned again

[storm jungle]

no its not lmao

[tough haven]

I might be thinking of another one

[storm jungle]

Probably Iyanden

80% of its population is wraiths

[vagrant fox]

Iyanden is in a bit of trouble, yea

[tough haven]

But I thought Alaitoc was like pulled apart into a loose fleet cause demons got into the infinity circuit

[rocky gale]

Yea but Wraiths are cool

[storm jungle]

No 💀

[tough haven]

And also to get the crone sword

[storm jungle]

thats Biel-tan

[tough haven]

I’m definitely thinking of another one then

Right

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

I kinda forget what alaitoc is known for besides lots of rangers and their rangers regularly visiting home

[storm jungle]

Thats it really

they usually got very one-note gimmicks like every big faction's subfactiona

[sly ivy]

Every craftworld is fucked in a different way right

[storm jungle]

Nope

Its just Iyanden

[sly ivy]

Isn’t the wizardy one short on aspect warriors

[storm jungle]

Ulthwe? Nah thats the opposite

they are very combat active

[tough haven]

“The wizardy one” 💀

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

Yeah but other factions get like at least two paragraphs of lore

[opaque coyote]

And Biel-Tan before it got uh

[storm jungle]

Ehhhh

[opaque coyote]

blown up

[storm jungle]

paragraphs is being generous lol

[opaque coyote]

Was probably the most militaristic

[tough haven]

Like hell you hear about what every space marine has had for breakfast on a specific world before the battle of fuckificare

[sly ivy]

But

[opaque coyote]

Ew fandom

[sly ivy]

the wizardy nerd one lacks chads

See

[tough haven]

I was exaggerating a little

[sly ivy]

I remember from rules some edition or another

[storm jungle]

The chads are the wizards dingus

[storm jungle]

fandom

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-cat-shoo-biscuit-gif-8024642674144447563

[tough haven]

50% chance it’s just made up

[sly ivy]

Ffs I can use any source if it’s something broadly stated

[storm jungle]

nope

you're fired, get out

[tough haven]

Use lexicanum next time

[storm jungle]

DAMN IT

[sly ivy]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

😔

[sly ivy]

[opaque coyote]

Dilara gets vaporized by facts and logic (tm)

[sly ivy]

2 man nerd no chad

Kaggen right again unbroken streak

In His Name Alone

(Eternal’s)

[snow fern]

We getting a followup to Blood Ravens getting their geneseed from the Custodes or whatever?

[storm jungle]

Nope.

[snow fern]

Heck

[storm jungle]

not unless we get another game

so maybe next year

its mostly just to explain how they are still around

[snow fern]

Space Marine 2 have a Librarian class yet?

[storm jungle]

nope

[vagrant fox]

who give a damn about dinky wizards or your craftworld getting broken when we have glorious saim-hann

[sharp pollen]

btw i saw a sm2 yt short the other day "custodes meets a dreadnaught"

[snow fern]

Damn, as a Ravens and Thousand Sons fan, this blows

[storm jungle]

Mood.

[rocky gale]

They're short on other Aspect warriors because they've go so many people choosing the path of the Seer, it's not really a failing. It's just something they choose to do.

[storm jungle]

jetbikes are always cool its true

[sly ivy]

Dawg there isn’t even a psychic phase NEmore & ur asking 4 a librarian

[sharp pollen]

why do so many 40k fans want to be ultrapowerful colorful boys in superarmor

[vagrant fox]

it's cool

[storm jungle]

its because it looks colorful

= $$$

[storm jungle]

Also yeah the only almost near extinct craftworld is Iyanden

but like-

its never gonna go extinct

because people play it

classic warhammer moment so lol

[snow fern]

They shoulda made the ultramarines hot pink instead of blue

[storm jungle]

I wish.

[winged jacinth]

The classic "fandom entry was stolen directly from a real wiki"

[storm jungle]

You should have seen the Lamenters incident by Snipe and Wib

they pointed out that the lamenters warcry is not real

and the fandom wiki entered a civil war on editing it in and out

[winged jacinth]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

this is what you get when your site is majorily run by space marine fans lol

https://youtu.be/weRj6pjxJR8

highly recommend a watch btw its very fun

[vagrant fox]

Yeah the only craftworlds that get destroyed is shit like Zandros that gets a total or four lines of lore or something, Idharae if we're adventurous with a paragraph

[storm jungle]

Yeah its the same with like

"WOKECHUDS CHAPTER - DESTROYED IN AN ATTACK BY ORKS"

No other lore

Mentioned passingly in 1 source

lol

[vagrant fox]

Based and coolpilled worldbuilding, just throw random bits into the mix

[snow fern]

Wtf is a nemore? Did they remove psychic phase from tabletop or something?

[storm jungle]

Namor???

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-marvel-future-fight-netmarble-namor-tenoch-huerta-gif-27042657

[vagrant fox]

Man they stopped fighting on the fandom wiki on the 2nd, boo

[winged jacinth]

Waiting on the wokechuds codex

[snow fern]

I just want my dinosaur riding wood elves

[storm jungle]

Best thing is prob killteam

thats the best range because they explore the most random shit as factions

[winged jacinth]

Kitbash them with that one lizardman commander

I don't know any fantasy models less than 15 years old

[vagrant fox]

Genuinely pretty amused by this lads

[storm jungle]

It was so fucking good dude

because like- the video is right, there is no fucking source and its not canon. But the only defense is "WELL IT SOUNDS COOL", okay then fucking keep it to yourself dipshit

[snow fern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-force-unleashed-gif-23620078

Man I miss Force Unleashed

[vagrant fox]

Starkiller is genuinely such a chud lame name that I can't help but to love it

[snow fern]

He’s such a dork, I miss him so much, VA’s pretty cool too, does the voice of Darth Maul as well

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes a super-nerd as well which i respect a lot

[winged jacinth]

Lmao the wiki video was excellent

Its such a good illustration of the 40k community that something like that happens

[storm jungle]

Yeah wib says as much himself I love it

[winged jacinth]

The lore is so old and wide that if something's been around and it sounds right people just go with iy

[storm jungle]

yeah its why I respect the folks at lexicanum so much, its an actual battle against rumormongering grognards sometimes

[winged jacinth]

I had no idea people thought the blood ravens were actual thieves

But i guess if you werent around for the jokes about them having random wargear from other chapters in dawn of war lol

[storm jungle]

Meme culture has a huge effect on how 40k lore is percieved by some people yeah.

Also content creators very much do not help with this either lol

[winged jacinth]

Thinking about the soulstorm youtube poops...

The enemy hides in their... METAL BAWKSES!!!

[tulip tundra]

alien beans

[winged jacinth]

Bad example because that was an uncut insane line

"We should... heavy breathing take away... their metal bawkses..."

[snow fern]

I think the bloody magpies meme is due to the descriptions on their dow2 relic equipment

[winged jacinth]

The chaos guy gets tapped out he goes in on metal boxes so hard

[snow fern]

Like why do the blood ravens have an entire set of custodes gear? Idk

[winged jacinth]

Yeah in the dawn of war games they have wargear from dozens of chapters

Including a bunch of the legion chapters they cant be successors to all of lol

[snow fern]

I just think they’re neat. The most space wizard attuned loyalist chapter, also helps that DoW was absolutely the first 40k I was ever exposed to

[winged jacinth]

If the wargear was actually real and not fun gameplay stuff i'd say they would be graverobbers probably though

I honestly don't really remember that much about the blood ravens besides silly cutscenes

I should play the campaigns again its been many years

[snow fern]

The sync kill between Gabriel and a Bloodthirster is still hype as hell

DoW1 is getting a remaster soonish so, that’s neat

[winged jacinth]

https://youtu.be/WeCfod1XT7E 16 years holy shit...

[storm jungle]

man time flies 💀

[near wasp]

This is the must true thing I've ever seen. God forbid you say angron isn't fighting ghaz

[storm jungle]

For real lol

one of the most fucking annoying things rn

"omagerd ghaz is gonna avenge yarrick!"

He doesnt give a fuck bout Yarrick, holy shit

[near wasp]

Ghaz will just find a new fight,

Idk what ghaz is even doing right now because all I hear is rumor mill

[storm jungle]

If you want to know what a 40k character is doing just open their lexi page

its prob the most accurate "where are they now" source lol

[near wasp]

Ehhhhh

Rather read a book tbh

[storm jungle]

no

[near wasp]

Yes

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[winged jacinth]

a dumb ork might go "whoever defeated my favorite opponent must be an even better fight" but ghaz... isnt stupid

also i didnt realize they gave out anniversary additions of the darn of war games

[near wasp]

What dilara have an issue with reading?

[vagrant fox]

books are subject to fanon, only lexicanum remains pure

[storm jungle]

^

[winged jacinth]

honestly reading a book is likely to tell you what they were up to 500 years ago

[storm jungle]

Also yeah but in this case the last thing Ghaz was doing was in a rulebook so not even a novel

lmaoooo

[near wasp]

Codex are books nerd

[winged jacinth]

like when are the abnett inquisition novels set? i think its like the middle of what's now m38?

gulliman changed the calendar by 1000 years to protect the branding iirc right

[vagrant fox]

lexicanum is pure

that's hereticus

if it's adjusted for what g-man did to the calendar idk

[winged jacinth]

its not

eisenhorn happened like 700 years ago

not 300 years in the future

[vagrant fox]

We're in M42 in the timeline now tho

[winged jacinth]

oh the new calendar doesnt even pretend dates are meaningfully connected lmao

[near wasp]

It's m42 just like we're in the 21st century irl

Even though date is 2025

[vagrant fox]

Well yeah, but 42127 is still in M42

[near wasp]

No

Thatd be m41 127

[winged jacinth]

there's an ongoing civil war between the imperial timekeepers which, this being 40k, i assume involves actual weapons

[near wasp]

Or m43

[winged jacinth]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Dating_System

we'd be in m42 if gman hadnt changed how we count time

[winged jacinth]

you have to remember there conventionally isnt a zeroth millenium or century counted

year 1 is in century 1 of millenium 1

[vagrant fox]

that's what I was getting at, early 42nd millenium is still 42nd millenium is all

[winged jacinth]

yeah but the 42nd millenium ends with 41999

is what we're saying

regardless if you read books they're often about distant historical events relative to the "canon front"

[vagrant fox]

oh i wrote 42 not 41

well, you know

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-angry-trapped-in-a-jar-gif-5194152463397428009

[winged jacinth]

epic typo fail!!!

i think we're in the ballpark of a dozen years into m42 as it were

yeah i pulled up the timeline what are some of these events lol

[vagrant fox]

yea the latest date listed is 127.M42

Time never makes much sense in 40k it don't matter

[winged jacinth]

200 members of the Space Wolves 13th Great Company displaced from the Horus Heresy are recovered from Warp Portals on Prospero hey grandpa check out the great job we did after the war

all the dates past 12 are uh... the publishing dates of in universe books being cited as sources by the ciaphas cain novels which are themselves presented as records from the future

i think the framing is that the inquisition is going over the records of the inquisitor from the books

[storm jungle]

You should check out the 40k timeline on the lexi

the "last" events in canon RN are the in-universe publishing dates of Cain books as well lmao

[winged jacinth]

thats what im looking at

[storm jungle]

Ah I see

yeah that page is very interesting

[winged jacinth]

it kinda makes sense that the farthest forward events would be from a retrospective framing device

i dont know why they're worth listing really

[storm jungle]

Its for the sake of archiving

lexicanum users are pretty much scribes at this point lmao

[winged jacinth]

yeah i get it, the date itself is just so meaningless though lol

its a random point between when the events happened and when the records are being examined

i guess its interesting to know that the cain books are being "read" so far into the future

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho its gonna be funny if we ever get events past that point

[sly ivy]

Ye

[sly ivy]

No check the fandom or onlyfans or whatever it’s called

[storm jungle]

no

[late osprey]

i love the fandom so much lmfao

its just word-for-word copypasted from lexicanum 90% of the time

anything unique is just entirely uncited so you have no idea where they even got that from

[opaque coyote]

So I am looking at some library books

Look at what I found

Should I even try it out

I know it's a DA book

Btw that is my shoe on the left corner

You guys get a shoe reveal

[naive cliff]

Yeah it’s a pretty good book

[winged jacinth]

god fandom is such a parasite

the way articles get copy pasted and fandom's immense link-weight means that the original source gets pushed down by it

[sacred ginkgo]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/indie-wiki-buddy/fkagelmloambgokoeokbpihmgpkbgbfm?pli=1
My beloved

[winter vessel]

Just came back from watching 28 years later from the theaters

Not as good as 28 days later but I’d put it above “28 weeks later” .

[tough haven]

If my friend selects the battle for tertium can they join me in missions?

[opaque coyote]

Neat

[outer wave]

Thanks for the recommend!

[misty sapphire]

what does restoring the tithe imply? is it like, sending psykers to terra to be chomped? materials for war machines? actual money?

all of the above?

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

Also guard recruits and weapons exports

Just general output from the world

[winter vessel]

a critique is that its a bit of a mixed bag, the trailers mislead from what the movie's plot is telling in this one. the tone shifts from one end to another. A majority of viewers are upset with how much 28 years later ignores the overall story of 'Weeks', which, i still think is bad. also, they downplay the lethality of the virus in this one, mainly with how easily transmissible it is.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly surprised they didn't go with months

I mean it made sense

Maybe as a future prequel

[winter vessel]

ik they're getting ready to release part II next year and this time Cillian Murphy will make an appearance

[opaque coyote]

I haven't seen it yet. But I'm guessing the reason why weeks haven't been mentioned is because like

It's 28 years later

28 years have passed and I doubt people would care about how the outbreak exactly became global

Though the transmission being less focused upon is disappointing.

[winter vessel]

outside of a mention with how the Rage Virus spreads across Europe, courtesy of those two little shmucks, that's about it in terms of weeks

[opaque coyote]

Since I still think my favorite scene from 28 days later is how only a single drop of blood in a normal man's eyes turned him into another raging lunatic

Like that was genuinely terrifying in my opinion

A single drop is all it takes to completely lose your sense of self and humanity

[winter vessel]

yeah, really it's the spread of the infection that is reduced in Years

the survivors aren't really as...cautious

[opaque coyote]

I guess that makes sense? Infections often stop because ironically enough they're too deadly

The black plague slowed down because it literally killed so many people

That suddenly there was less vectors for infection

It's the same for the Spanish Flu. So many people died that it slowed down as a result.

[outer wave]

IIRC the tithe is basically the requesting of a person to join the imperial guard

[opaque coyote]

""Requesting""

[outer wave]

So people that break that are noted by the Arbites

Of course

"""REQUESTING"""

[opaque coyote]

What's the word for it

Ah yes

Voluntold

[dapper gyro]

No, not that word again.

[opaque coyote]

But yeah essentially it's a draft

Join or

Y'know be turned into a servitor

[outer wave]

Or worse

[winter vessel]

also 'nother thing to expect, the dead are gonna make you think you're watching a live action version of the Forest but even the cannibals in that game were more...modest with their appearance.

[tough haven]

A planetary tithe can be whatever is valuable to the imperium from that planet, but universally manpower and psykers are of value

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the guard probably has better conditions compared to like an underhive

[winter vessel]

also on the topic of the kid. I initially thought i was gonna hate him, but towards the end, his reasoning kinda hits close to my heart

[opaque coyote]

Actually sounds fucking wild.

[winter vessel]

other than that, 7/10 for the film

hopefully part 2 will do better

[tough haven]

But each planet meets the tithe differently

[opaque coyote]

Sounds like a good watch. Maybe I'd force my dad to see it

Who hasn't even watched either of the movies

So

[outer wave]

Mmmmm I see

[opaque coyote]

I guess Hive Planets are focused on the manpower

While things like mining planets get tithes for minerals

[tough haven]

Pretty much any quota is “the tithe”

[dapper gyro]

Mineral, food, productions, etc.

Anything can be

[opaque coyote]

So theoretically if I don't have enough steel/minerals to fulfill the tithe

Could I say

"Hey can I compensate with people?"

Or is it a case by case basis

[outer wave]

Yeah, a hiveworld would be focused on manpower

A factory world on materiel

A food world on rations

etc

Makes sense to me

[opaque coyote]

Cause now I'm thinking of like

If we ever get a Planetary system/Hive City simulator

That there would be option to "compensate" for a lack of resources

Like you don't have enough minerals so you can add more people to hopefully fulfill the obligation

But it'd require double of what's left

For example if you are short 1 million pounds of minerals, you have to send 2 million people

And that it's a chance type of thing

Like "If you send 2 million people to compensate for the lackage of minerals, there will be a 60% chance that it will be accepted."

And that there is also a debt system

Paying less on a current tithe for a larger Tithe the next

[opaque coyote]

Also if the dice roll fails, you'll automatically have to pay the deficit for the next tithe

And also the substitute will be taken anyways

Because the Imperium is an uncaring machine

[little quarry]

Do the Skaven exist in 40k?

[opaque coyote]

No

Sorry buddy, no rats

We got british football hooligan mushrooms instead

[little quarry]

So are the Age of Sigmar and 40k separate canons that share similar stuff? Cause I know Nurgle and the other chaos gods appear in AoS

[opaque coyote]

AoS and 40k are separate yeah

[little quarry]

Gotcha

[opaque coyote]

They just happen to have the same Gods and Daemons

With some exceptions

Don't ask how

[little quarry]

I'll just chock it up to Persona logic separate worlds same critters lol

[opaque coyote]

They do reference each other on occasion but yeah they're separate

Those references are more like a wink and a nudge for fans

[little quarry]

makes sense

[alpine tinsel]

So I’m curious

Which primarchs are currently alive, and which are just dead?

[little quarry]

Think it depends on which interation you're talking about cause I think it changes depending

[opaque coyote]

Currently.

Confirmed Alive: Lion, Guilliman

MIA: Dorn, Russ, Khan, Vulkan, Corax, Omegon

Chaos: Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Lorgar, Magnus, Mortarion.

Confirmed Dead: Alpharius, Ferrus, Sanguinius, Horus, Konrad.

[alpine tinsel]

Damn.

Hopefully vulk and khan are okay

And russ

[little quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/horus-fucking-tts-gif-18243403

Vulkan lives in our hearts

[tough haven]

That’s why I’m rogue trader there’s options for things to like remove your workers ability to sleep or to make too slow workers into servitors or harvest their organs

It’s all to motivate them to make the tithe

Or to turn them into the tithe

[arctic talon]

Persona 3 4 and 5 are connected tbf

Sorta

[little quarry]

Could you imagine Stilaris but 40k?

[arctic talon]

There’s a total conversion mod for it

It uh

It is a mod that you can play

I’m not gona call it bad

[little quarry]

That's true.

[tough haven]

The debt is an exactor takes your head and gives the new governor 48 hours to fix it

[arctic talon]

Because it isn’t

But it sure as hell isn’t what I’d call a sane or enjoyable expierence

[little quarry]

Yeah I know the mod it's.... well it exsists

[tough haven]

A frostpunk style governor game would be cool though

[snow fern]

I feel like a Rimworld style story making game would be neat, or maybe a larger colony sim type game

[dire loom]

Russ and Dorn shall return.

[languid meadow]

putting 5 bucks on 40k Lorgar model

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1387612963942174800/RDT_20250625_1858097252687700849335084.jpg?ex=685dfac7&is=685ca947&hm=89db49adecdd457d6ef49cfdcdcfd7110132e0691c47b5859e71483172725462&

new Nid biotitan from 9e

[languid meadow]

see I understand why planets still use normal ships

but like it's still weird seeing a normal ass battleship in 40k

or "normal"

[arctic talon]

I belive its ork

since this is from Warzone ocatarius

[sacred ginkgo]

Like the first time I have seen conventional naval anything in 40k

[opaque coyote]

I mean we somehow made AI suicidial.

mfw my code is so bad it's basically Chaos Scrapcode

[languid meadow]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

I might be beginning to understand why the MoI rebelled

[opaque coyote]

Also that mf is getting either the right answer

or an answer that sounds right but is wrong.

Honestly I fucking love the idea of Kairos purely because like

You know one is lying and the other is telling the truth

But it switches, and it's unclear.

It's up to you to interpret it.

Although I do think it would be funny to just ask Kairos a stupid as shit question. Because at least one of his heads are forced to say "yes".

"Hey Kairos, do you do tiktok videos of you in a maid dress dancing?"

"No." "Yes."

"So you have! I knew it!"

[dire loom]

I am the Lex!

It's lore

[dapper gyro]

I'm a little tired of role playing people...

[outer wave]

Dealing with them in game or in general?

[dire loom]

I carry in-game, not an issue.

They're more tired of it in general, I think.

I love the roleplay though, it brings more life to the community.

[outer wave]

I don't come across it too much, but it's nice when it does come up (assuming it's not incredibly aggressive)

THE LEX IS SEX

[winter vessel]

I mostly see it from Ogryn players, and as a Vet main, I vibe with their RP

[outer wave]

Anyway

[sly ivy]

Consider: all life is role play

4 more deep thoughts u kno where 2 find me

[dire loom]

Maybe it's the theme of it, orgyn humble and wholesome. Whereas Arbites.. I guess it depends on your point of view.

Which is unfortunate. It basically means you can't joke around or meme as Arbites without at least someone getting annoyed or offended for whatever reason. I never had complaints when I roleplayed as Ogryn.

Which is a shame, because I like roleplaying as Batman, I mean Judge Dredd, I mean Arbitrator.

[dire loom]

Based

[winter vessel]

I saw an Arbites named Frank Drebin

[dire loom]

Anyways, for lore. Darktide is a good game, with a good story. However, it's gameplay is not lore friendly. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not.

It all depends. That's what I've noticed.

[dire loom]

Nice

I noticed that GW has changed and retcon the lore many times.. the hell

How's someone supposed to get into it without acknowledging the fact that some of the stuff you like is no longer canon or changed?

It's giving me Star Wars PTSD.

I can't imagine someone new or casual getting into Warhammer 40k lore without being lost or confused.

Hell I know what Warhammer 40k is for years and I'm still lost and confused and still learning. Lol

[sly ivy]

After the early editions 40K has retconned way less. The biggest overall retcon I can think of is newcrons.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf a lot of the retcons are mostly for 1st edition type shit

[sly ivy]

And even then it’s the “secret” background info that changed. The actual events could be explained in the new framework.

[opaque coyote]

Most of it is actually smooth

For example, any books with the Oldcrons still apply since well

[sly ivy]

Imperium didn’t know c’tan were shards

[opaque coyote]

Anybody encountering them don't know the actual inner story

All they see are emotionless machines

[dire loom]

Some of it was really good, wasted potential.

[opaque coyote]

So it works

[dire loom]

Not a fan of the beaks though

[sly ivy]

Early encounters were with the more zombielike dynasties

[sly ivy]

Right yeah.

[opaque coyote]

True, but it's also radically different in comparison to the new. To the point where you can easily differentiate.

Also any books that are considered non-canon are said so in their intros.

[sly ivy]

And that’s like the biggest retcon

[dire loom]

Reminds me of that one popular medieval helmet. Never liked it personally.

[opaque coyote]

Like the Space Marines in the 1st editions are basically Criminals given a suit of power armor and authority to murder anybody

[dire loom]

Armet was better, or the sallet. Probably why I like the Arbites and Sisters of Battle so much too. Peak drip.

[sly ivy]

There was some mild timeline rejigging around the Indomitus crusade.

[opaque coyote]

Generally most shit you can find in 40k lines up with the new ones

Fun fact, in very old editions, it wasn't actually Magnus's fault for breaking the webway project

The Emperor broke it himself to yell at Magnus

[opaque coyote]

I do generally agree though. Like the example I showed earlier

While I also like Magnus being a dumbass

It is also significantly funnier to see the Emperor just break his most important project

Because he was pissed off at his son for daring to go against his rule

[sly ivy]

How dare u this is a gentle & thoughtful young man

Sensitive

[opaque coyote]

It also sadly makes sense considering how shit of a dad he si

It's the equivalent of an abusive dad breaking something

And then shouting at his kid

"YOU MADE ME DO THIS"

I honestly feel bad for this version of Magnus

[dire loom]

Peak art

[opaque coyote]

The First Edition did have some gnarly art in general

I still think their version of the Emperor is

Fucking terrifying

[sly ivy]

Yes it’s the best one

[sly ivy]

I noted in my initial Era of Ruin thoughts @ book club

[opaque coyote]

Although ironically, the golden throne here actually fits more with modern lore.

[sly ivy]

That ADB describes the Throne in a way that partially evokes this.

[opaque coyote]

A combination of various human, Xeno, and unknown technologies

So instead of a glorious gigantic throne?

It's a fucked up combo of pipes, alien machinery, and metal

[sly ivy]

Yes and the Emperor is in absolute ass shape

Blanche himself in an interview I listened to said he always saw his drawing of the guy on the chair as representing a fake for the tourists

[opaque coyote]

There's also this rendition.

[arctic talon]

and then starcraft 1 borrowed that lmao

[sly ivy]

And that the actual emperor was “some bits floating in a jar”

[opaque coyote]

Which while also horrific. I can't take it seriously because I literally keep getting reminded of this:

[arctic talon]

Where's the other one

oh nvm

you posted it

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebobsquarepants-chocolate-gif-19415198

[sly ivy]

This is the second one ADB deliberately references

Including the blood bag

[dire loom]

Beautiful

Peak human performance.

[sly ivy]

I maintain that the core of the throne is Old One tech.

[opaque coyote]

I honestly like the first picture better though.

Mainly because having a floating brain or something is like

Slightly terrifying but doesn't show how fucked up he truly was.

[dire loom]

Reminds me of Aliens xenomorph stuff Giger.

[sly ivy]

Totally agree

[opaque coyote]

So I like having an actual body to effectively show how fucked he is

[dire loom]

Has those vibes

[sly ivy]

Very

Much so

[opaque coyote]

I also like the idea of when Guilliman went to encounter him. That singular eye in the first picture just

Went down to look at him

He's still there

Shattered

Insane

But there.

[dire loom]

Sorry, auto correct. I meant to say Giger inspired stuffs.

[sly ivy]

Yeah.

[opaque coyote]

This is another favorite of mine though. This one is a fan rendition.

By moritzBludau

[dire loom]

Yoink, I'm gonna save this one as a wallpaper.

[opaque coyote]

I just think it shows how

Decayed he is

With him looking shrunken in his armor

Like a reference point to how glorious he must've been

[dire loom]

He's just hungry. Needs more #psyker-class .

[opaque coyote]

And how even though he's basically mummified. A bit of that glory still exists.

Even while shrunken he is still scarily powerful

[dire loom]

Probably need to up the Emperor's rations of Psykers.

Hella skinny

Needs more energy.

[opaque coyote]

I strangely had the idea of like

Having the emperor slowly decay each week

[dire loom]

[opaque coyote]

Like just after feeding he returns to just being like in a Coma

[dire loom]

That's probably what happens low-key.

[opaque coyote]

But then as he continues to "feed" he slowly rots back into a corpse

[dire loom]

Goes in and out of it.

[opaque coyote]

And that's also how they track when to sacrifice the next batch

[dire loom]

So does Emperor drink Psykers souls or something like ambrosia?

[opaque coyote]

I presume he just fucking like

Sucks the life out of them

From his sheer aura

Although I think they use a machine specifically

So that machine probably just sucks their Psyker energy and feeds it to the golden throne

[dire loom]

Oh, makes sense.

[opaque coyote]

I think all of the renditions of the Emperor that GW made each have their own merits.

Like even though the skeleton one is probably the one we're most used to. I actually still like it.

[dire loom]

I guess if they're any meat bits, they just recycle it as corpse starch. Emperor shares his rations. Truly a man of the people.

[opaque coyote]

It makes sense given how fucking addicted to skulls the Imperium is

Of course their God is a skeleton

[dire loom]

Imperium is very efficient. When done right.

[opaque coyote]

Still though I prefer him being mummified

[dire loom]

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately 99% of the time they fuck up

I still find it funny that Slaanesh was legitimately about to be killed but was saved because a space marine couldn't hold back his hatred of Xenos for like

3 minutes

[sly ivy]

Have you heard Abnett’s speculation that he’s just on there dying and reincarnating over and over again

[dire loom]

**That 1% gives me hope! Usually people say 110% they screw up. I appreciate your generosity fren.

Very based**

[opaque coyote]

I mean people like Cain are that 1%

Although Cain is probably too busy trying not to shit himself

[dire loom]

All loyalist Imperium fans: (So your telling me, there's a chance)

[sly ivy]

Jes Goodwin or Blanche or someone specifically said every skull is the Emperor

[dire loom]

[opaque coyote]

Like in terms of "being able to see out of them"

Because I doubt they're cloning the Emperor's skulls

[dire loom]

Based

[opaque coyote]

[dire loom]

Space Marines do be memes sometimes. Hella funny though.

Low-key grim dark comedic relief.

[sly ivy]

Have you read Inquisitor? I literally think its version of the emp is what Abnett and the rest are hewing to.

[opaque coyote]

Again Space Marines are neat but like

We have too much of them man

[sly ivy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8lmh3e/book_excerpt_the_inquisition_war_inquisitor/

[opaque coyote]

[sly ivy]

This excerpt

[dire loom]

They're everywhere..

[opaque coyote]

Also it doesn't help that like

They literally are as dull as a brick a lot of the times because SMs literally have their personality traits wiped as kids

[sly ivy]

Truly explains a lot and is consistent with End & Death and Haley’s Guilliman books etc.

[dire loom]

I like Commissar Cain. Good man

That song was hella funny though. The one on YouTube. I think it was TTS too.

[sly ivy]

No no metaphorically

What they represent in imp iconography

[opaque coyote]

Yeah thought so. Cool idea tbh

Like the Emperor can see through each skull placed in the Imperium

Although Khorne probably is suing him for trademark rights

[sly ivy]

Greenseer ass mf

[dire loom]

Well, at least we can safely say it's canon lore that Big E shares his rations after syphoning the Psykers souls or energy etc. Leaves the flesh bodies left overs for the rest of the Imperium as grade A corpse starch.

Emperah protec and is generous

Recycle ♻️

[sly ivy]

Bro has been goin thru it 4 10,000 years

[opaque coyote]

I think the Psykers literally just

Turn into ash

Either that or go through a Raiders of the Lost Ark type shit

https://tenor.com/view/face-creepy-face-scary-face-face-melting-melting-face-gif-15742598

Btw this scene still kinda terrifies me

Also kinda funny since it implies that God saw the Nazis and was like

"Yeah no."

Since he gave the soldiers a quick death

But the leaders got a slow and painful one

[opaque coyote]

Also fun fact, it took the crew 10 minutes to melt the skull

the footage is sped up

[dire loom]

Protein shakes powder then.

[dire loom]

Based

I really wish they'd make a John Carpenter's the Thing but Warhammer 40k.

[tough haven]

Fr

How common is it, relatively, for daemonhood to be obtained by a mortal human?

Usually I see CSM being the ones to succeed in this

[sour hornet]

Complicated question

But

[arctic talon]

about as common at it is for CSM

[sour hornet]

It's a combination of stories about space marines just being more popular

[arctic talon]

which is to say

pretty much never

lol

[sour hornet]

It's no less possible

[arctic talon]

but theres a lot of examples of mortal princes

in the Daemon Codex mostly

the CSM codex

is a CSM book

so therfore has mostly CSM lol

[queen laurel]

do the gods usually favor marines more ?

[arctic talon]

no

they're all the same fodder

[queen laurel]

well at least there's equality in that part of the chaos pantheon

[arctic talon]

Marines are just better when it comes to some things for Chaos Gods

lol

[sour hornet]

It's relatively easier to become a Daemon Prince of Khorne as a CSM, but there is nothing stopping a Lord Militant from doing the same thing.

[arctic talon]

and normal humans are better at others

[sacred ginkgo]

Marines are just better at not dying before they get noticed

[arctic talon]

There was a Navy captain who became a daemon prince of Khorne

who blew up 8 planets at once via exterminatus

[sour hornet]

Exactly

[arctic talon]

and dragged his entire fleet to Khorne's realm

[dire loom]

Most regular humans when corrupted by chaos, especially while trying to seek power become mutants or chaos spawns from John Carpenter's the Thing in theme and design looks. Lol

It is what it is.

[arctic talon]

tbf

that happens with marines as well

it at the end of the day is a mix of luck and willpower

Sometimes you just get fucked

and the chaos god gives you too many "gifts"

and you get gifted with spawndom

whoops

[dire loom]

Look at the nurgle cultist and Mobian 6th etc.

Some of em growing tendrils, horns, mutating in general etc.

[sour hornet]

It usually takes a position of power for a human to do the extreme acts which are necessary to become a Prince. Think Admirals, Lord Miltants, etc.

[arctic talon]

yeah

[tough haven]

Can a mortal become a simple daemon? Like lower than a prince?

[arctic talon]

no

thats not a thing

[sour hornet]

Murdering 666,000,000 innocents to garner Khornes attention is easier when you're a fleet commander.

[arctic talon]

Daemon princes are the only known method of ascension

unless you count spawndom

[dire loom]

In Rouge Trader I think you can if you're Chaos.

[arctic talon]

which aren't daemons

You do not become a simple daemon

you become a daemon prince

you start getting some wierd warpy abilities

[dire loom]

Oh that's right.

[queen laurel]

Daemon Prince

[arctic talon]

but you're a full blown prince

if you don't get enough favor from the chaos gods

you just become an incredibly powerful

[tough haven]

Are daemon princes “above” otherc daemons by and large

[sour hornet]

No.

And yes.

[arctic talon]

Above everything but Greater daemons normally

[tough haven]

Figured as such

[arctic talon]

though some daemon princes are stronger

[dire loom]

So yeah, a regular human can, just takes work.

[arctic talon]

it varies

[sour hornet]

Depends on the Prince.

[arctic talon]

Though daemon princes usually get

a ton of sass

from other daemons

because

"hahah you're a mortal"

[sacred ginkgo]

Red trader

[queen laurel]

no as people say they are usually above other demons but good luck trying to humble a greater demon you have a chance to win but those guys are called greater for a reason

[tough haven]

I would too if I was an immortal being birthed since the Dawn of time

[arctic talon]

and if you try to claim if you aren't a mortal anymore

they laugh at you again

and say that you had a soul

[tough haven]

And some stupid fleshbag just buys his way into it with souls

[arctic talon]

ect. lol

unironically the worst of the big 4 to be a prince to

is prolly Khorne

[tough haven]

I’d go chaos on rogue trader but I just can’t bring myself to do it

[queen laurel]

Ain't it just endless murder?

[arctic talon]

pretty much

fuck ton of endless violence

and gladitorial arenas

in his realm lol

[sour hornet]

Inferiority complex about their mortal nature.

[queen laurel]

So you just do that why is that the worst then?

[arctic talon]

also lesser daemons

[queen laurel]

you are still doing what he wants

[sour hornet]

And jealousy at bring given direct patronage from a chaos God.

[sacred ginkgo]

It kinda sucks don’t worry

[tough haven]

Both dogmatic and chaos seem so boring in RT, I usually walk somewhere in the middle

[arctic talon]

because you're kind of just trapped

lol

[tough haven]

Seems so one note

[sour hornet]

I went full chaos

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

Chaos is def

the most boring of the 3 paths

it feels the most incomplete

unfortunately

[sour hornet]

Because my retinue were pissing me off

[tough haven]

Like “yeah I’m gonna kill everyone” in every situation

[sacred ginkgo]

It just is uncomplete

[tough haven]

Dogmatic seems also boring

[dire loom]

Abelard always loyal

[tough haven]

Every situation is “die for the emperor” or “I sentence you to death for heresy”

[dire loom]

Based

[sour hornet]

Jae and Idira were cool, but I hated Heinrix, Argenta, the Death Assasin girl, and Cassia, and Abelard.

[tough haven]

Going middle of the road gives you a lot of flexibility character wise

[sacred ginkgo]

“Yeah do the entirely of eufrates normally and not kill all of them in orbit”
“Why? WEaVeR oF dESTinIES”

[dire loom]

No, don't hate muh boah Abelard!

[queen laurel]

Of course you like those two

[sour hornet]

I think I ||abandoned argenta in Commorragh||

[sacred ginkgo]

Whoopsy

[sour hornet]

No it was intentional

for killing ||theodora||

[tough haven]

My current RT is a radical who tries to alter the laws of the imperium to better serve its spirit of a shield to the faithful, he follows the emperor but in his aspect of a savior, a shepherd of his flock

[sour hornet]

She may have been evil, but she was Rogue Trader, and Rogue Traders cannot just be shot like a dog in their own ship.

You gotta respect the position

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah guys you better ignore this emmesh is just notorious for liking very very very bad people

[tough haven]

And in doing so, ends up splitting off from the imperium entirely, seeing as a cesspool of stagnation that has failed in its purpose

[sour hornet]

I am without flaw

[tough haven]

Sure she can, she was, therefore she can

[queen laurel]

That's your first flaw your ego is so big you would think it's the erd tree

[tough haven]

If she didn’t want to be shot dead, she should have tried harder to avoid it

[sour hornet]

Yeah, but i punished it severely

(I am coping)

[tough haven]

There’s power on paper, and palpable power, you can have the fanciest title you want, but if you don’t back it up with the skills to enforce it, you don’t deserve it

[sour hornet]

Basically going forwards, I did what I wanted to do, with little regard for what anyone else wanted to do. Because I am Rogue Trader.

I remember shooting that guard guy on Kiava Gamma for letting me be ambushed on my own fucking planet

[tough haven]

Hubris unchecked, drags its host into the maw of oblivion, there’s always a bigger fish, and fate loves nothing more than a giants fall

[sour hornet]

I arrested the governor too if i recall

[tough haven]

I executed her on the spot

[sacred ginkgo]

The one at the beginning of the level? They were a traitor

[tough haven]

You failed me and your people

[sour hornet]

Yeah her administration was poor to the point it warranted sanction.

[tough haven]

Unforgivable

[sour hornet]

After the ambush, you talk to a guy about the situation, and you get the option to shoot one of them for their incompetence.

[tough haven]

My character tries to dance on the knifes edge of being respected and feared, of being benevolent, yet harsh when needed

[sacred ginkgo]

I think you have the planet name entirely wrong

[tough haven]

He doesn’t always succeed

[sour hornet]

Probably do

I just read the income reports

[sacred ginkgo]

There is no guard guy it ambush on kiava gamma

[sour hornet]

The planet you find Yrliet on

you get ambushed when you get there

[queen laurel]

that's not Kiava gamma

[sour hornet]

oh well

my holdings are all the same to me it seems

https://tenor.com/view/judgemental-aristocrat-volturi-gif-23598881

[late osprey]

Damn

I'm digging the new DT campaign cutscenes

[dusky beacon]

Aren't Force weapons like insanely absurdly expensive and only for like the most elite of elite psykers?

[celest dome]

Depend on the weapon grade, but yes, Force weapons are teh rarest form of weapons we currently have in game

Even Wyrdwane Psykers are issued Force weapons

[dusky beacon]

So they're rare a but it's not uncommon to see a scantioned Psyker with at least a basic force weapon?

[celest dome]

Ye, Sanctionned Psyker practically always have some sort of Force weapons

[snow fern]

Space wizard magic plus space wizard magic conductor is a decent combo it seems

[dusky beacon]

Cool

[snow fern]

And I mean, if it can cut an ogryn covered head to toe in carapace clean in half, who am I to judge?

[worldly galleon]

Sorry to interrupt but

what does the red armor for the arbites mean does anyone know fully because I've never really heard much about them because I searched it up

[arctic talon]

its just cosmetic

[celest dome]

I don't think there isn't really any meaning in lore

[arctic talon]

probably some specific precincts use it

[worldly galleon]

Fair

[dusky beacon]

I've been having an idea for a story about a Psyker Enforcer Detective and thought it would be cool to give them a force gauntlet or something that would allow them to harness Smite and let them be a living stun gun/taser despite not being a proficient biomancer

[celest dome]

There are Shock Gloves in lore

[dusky beacon]

Yeah i should probably just do that

[celest dome]

But using Biolightning wouldn't be the most difficult Biomancy techniques, so even a "novice" of it could feasibly be expected to be able to do it

[dusky beacon]

The main thing this Psyker is gifted in is Divination, specifically Psychometry

[snow fern]

I mean, there's likely some sorta Force Gauntlet or knuckles out there

They're mainly just a conduit of psionic force, their shape is cultural more than anything

[dusky beacon]

I mostly thought force gauntlet because it's probably a lot easier to conceal than a Force Staff or sword

[celest dome]

Psyker aren't restricted to one discipline like Magister in fantasy

[celest dome]

There are
Serpent’s fangs and Psychoteric Blade

[dusky beacon]

Force Gun would be funny lmao

[paper haven]

Shoots psychic beams

[green loom]

A good way to look at it is they're as rare as psykers

[celest dome]

Yes, there is less demand, so a Psyker seeking one may have less difficulties than seeking a THammer or somethings

[sour hornet]

Literally the most common thing for a psyker to use.

Swords are less common because psykers are pretty frail.

On account of them being able to literally pop you like a grape with their mind.

Psykers that maintain their physicality, most often Primaris psykers or Inquisitorial field agents (us) employ force weapons commonly.

[queen laurel]

pfft weaklings

[sour hornet]

Smh

Ork

not everyone bench presses cars for their pre workout

[queen laurel]

my psyker does

[sour hornet]

imagining a jock psyker

bullying all the other psykers on the Morningstar

[queen laurel]

my psyker warhammer oc uses biomancy to box by turning his arms into what is basically a bio version of a power fist

[near wasp]

Of fucking course you do

[dapper gyro]

If you are not a psyker, then the force weapon is not better than normal weapons. There is no point for you to choose it in the first place, even if it is more rare (compared to basic weapons).

Though I would like to see some psykers empower their weapon telepathically so that their comrade can weld the weapon at maximum power for a moment.

[plush mason]

if you select the cosmetic and hit v you can read a little fluff text

the red noctis armor seems to be used during night missions, which is funny in a lot of ways

[queen laurel]

You never know it might be nightwing

Blue as hell but with some random ass technology it just becomes completely camouflaged

[tough haven]

Lore accurate

[cunning mango]

You saw that one meme of trump calling custodies a zero skill army

[tough haven]

I have not

[cunning mango]

I would send it but i cant send attachments for some reason

[outer wave]

Gotta yap on here for a bit

You get the orange role

[cunning mango]

Ah ik

Ok*

ill send it once i get thy role

[storm jungle]

[cunning mango]

Its related to warhamner

Ands pretty funny

[storm jungle]

Death.

[cunning mango]

Anyway, have you heard of our amazing primarch rorgul dawn

[storm jungle]

Anyway uh lets try to avoid direct political posting too much

[cunning mango]

Hope he returns soon

[storm jungle]

I dont want to encoruage people a lot

[tough haven]

Oh sorry

[storm jungle]

Its fine just a heads up lol

I dont want to get blamed for letting it propagate

[tough haven]

I just thought his mannerisms were funny in the warhammer setting

[cunning mango]

Lol

[tough haven]

Like imagine a world eater trying to do their war cry and it’s just that whole paragraph

[cunning mango]

Inquisition would have him dead asap

[tough haven]

“Jim, you’re spiraling again.”

[cunning mango]

Thousnd sons on why robot girlyman and the otramarines are cringe

[tough haven]

“I think his nails took a hit last battle, he hasn’t been the same since”

[cunning mango]

(Emperors children are writing a whole essay)

Man i hope GW flushes out the grey knights out more

They were cool at first but got blend imo

[gray umbra]

Imagine a world eater trying to do their warcry and its just a discord crashout

[cunning mango]

Man i think im delousional guya

Guys

[plush mason]

idk "blood for the blood god" seems like a crash out to me as is

[cunning mango]

What IF the next returning primarch is rogul dorn

Thatll boost my sand castle building efficiency 500%

[plush mason]

seeing all the space wolf stuff for so long, that would be a massive fakeout on GW's part

[cunning mango]

GW seems to be hyping up fulgrim rn

[plush mason]

because he just came out afaik

[cunning mango]

Imperium might be cooked

Yall think fulgrim would try fighting the despoiler

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

He’d think it’s boring

[plush mason]

yeah afaik he is still obssesed with building his perfect city on his daemon world

[dapper gyro]

Dorn is a brick in every sense.

[near wasp]

Honestly it's probably Russ or dorn but I hope it's khan

I really hope it's not russ

Imo the wolves are better off with an absent father

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if Arbites got officers in dreadnoughts

[storm jungle]

Its 100% Russ

Money talks, not lore.

also unfortunately nobody cares about White Scars that much

[near wasp]

Brooo Russ fuckin suckssssa

[storm jungle]

fair point, but also people must wojak point and buy stuff

"omg big viking man"

[celest dome]

Ok I know this is in jest, but Sanctionner Automata contain the brains of fallen Enforcers

[near wasp]

He better be an wisend Odin like figure

[celest dome]

So yes, could work lorewise

[nocturne crest]

Arbites should be able to take this.

[near wasp]

Isn't there just as many people who like dorn tho

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

Nope

[arctic talon]

If we just go off of 7e statistics alone

The IF codex supplement

Sold the worst

[storm jungle]

Space Wolves sell so much more. They got their own codex and unique models.

[arctic talon]

Out of all the marine supplements GW released

Lol

Yes that means IF were less popular

Then iron hands

And raven guard

[storm jungle]

it was the same rule with chaos primarchs, only the ones with army books/own unique factions got models.

also like-

all primarchs are coming back because GW are dipshits

just give it time

its all a matter of "whos coming first"

[arctic talon]

GW’s not bringing back the dead ones(for now)

[near wasp]

Am I crazy or do the templar's not have there own codex

[arctic talon]

I’d assume they wouldn’t dig up the grave and have some replacement in mind

[arctic talon]

Supplement

Haven’t gotten one this edition yet

They also went from 3e to 9e

Without a codex lol

I’m not even joking

[near wasp]

Here's hoping Russ doesn't suck ;_; cause I like the wolves and I don't want them to go back to 30k bs

[arctic talon]

He probably won’t

GW seems to have an aversion to any of the 40k loyalist primarchs be completely psychopathic killing machines

See: Lion

Now granted he’s still a psychopathic killing machine

But he’s less of a psychopath

[sly ivy]

wtf if I don’t get 11th ed Ferrus’s head on a 25 mm base w scatter dice movement for its rolling around I’ma riot

-3 leadership to any enemies it’s near bc it constantly spouts sick burns

[winged jacinth]

Honestly most of russ's psychopathic killing i can remember was under direct orders

"Go kill your brother and all his friends"
"Ok dad"

[sly ivy]

“Thank you, son. Also Horus was always my favorite and you’re adopted. This is definitely your dad. Bye.”

[cunning mango]

I love the space wolves

Fuckin drunk ass space vikings

[cunning mango]

But i agree with this

He is better dead tbh

[sly ivy]

w e t l e o p a r d g r o w l

[cunning mango]

animals starts playing in the background

[sly ivy]

Most legions are better off w primarchs dead.

It’s so important for their development and for a sense of solemnity and loss.

[cunning mango]

Agreed

[sly ivy]

The whole freaking idea of 40K is that the gods are dead and everything is decaying

The age of heroes is so distant as to have passed into legend

[cunning mango]

Man you know what we really need

A WH game about the HH

[sly ivy]

Tabletop Emperor

It’s the golden throne it’s the size of a house

[cunning mango]

And not a TT, im talking about a FPS

[lofty mason]

Can 2 teams of maxed rejects (8 people) defeat a Hive Tyrant or injured it to the point it ran away?

[near wasp]

Rows of space Marines shooting each other through caves and on huge feilds

[cunning mango]

Big E would see he was infact a terrible father and smite all of 40K if he came back

[near wasp]

Depends on who's writing

[lofty mason]

Realistically, lore-accurate.

[near wasp]

Again based on who's writing

[winged jacinth]

Lore accurate the rejects couldn't even do darktide lol

The fact they don't melt in the presence of a beast of nurgle would be evidence of sainthood

[arctic talon]

Lore accurate hive tyrant would instantly kill all the non psykers

Lol

Same applies to SM2

It should just pick them up

And juice them

[near wasp]

The psyker would instantly go insane

[arctic talon]

Like a fucking orange

Lol

[arctic talon]

I’d say they might be able to resist it

It’s a coin toss

But in SM2 all the Psyker enemies are severely nerfed

[winged jacinth]

In sm2 we do start by dropping about 500 feet of statue/bridge support on it

[arctic talon]

For gameplay

Because it’s not fun

To yknow

[cunning mango]

Ye

[arctic talon]

get instantly killed by your mind exploding

[winged jacinth]

It just... stands there while we do it

But it works!

[arctic talon]

Everything in SM2 is weakened for gameplay reasons

But yeah dropping the bridge on it

Is fun

[cunning mango]

The banner scene was so peak

[winged jacinth]

That hive tyrant must have been deaf since it doesn't notice all the explosions

[near wasp]

Terminators would stand a better chance like in death wing but idk how accurate that is

[lofty mason]

40k enemies are scary af. Even the "basic" enemy that Astartes killed trivially will be a huge headache to our IRL average infantry.

[arctic talon]

They’d still get juiced without a Psyker

Reminder that gaunts

Are in fact huge lol

[cunning mango]

Isnt it implied its big E telling Titus to stand up

[arctic talon]

No

It’s just a mysterious voice