40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

but yeah the LoV are limited on numbers

[queen laurel]

because truly strong people can handle up close combat unlike runts

[unique aurora]

i guess it makes sense not to repeat units given that yah, orks already have them

[queen laurel]

also yeah

[arctic talon]

they have alternatives to suicide bombs

[queen laurel]

they don't have such things as

[arctic talon]

they have guided munitions

[queen laurel]

slayers

[arctic talon]

with like

Missile launchers

or Mole launchers

no point in strapping a bomb to a dude

[outer wave]

Ya'll thinking of Banelings and shit while Im here thinking of Nod Fanatics or Cybran Firebeetles

[tough haven]

Can always strap a bomb to an E-cog if need be

[arctic talon]

old

[queen laurel]

yeah and making a bomb carrier iron kin isn't gonna be a good one

[arctic talon]

just use a COG

don't waste iron kin for that

[queen laurel]

get Scrined bozo

[outer wave]

"We will be remembered!"

Some random guy with green paint on his face and TNT in both of his hands that will NOT be remembered.

[storm jungle]

I do love how thats one of the things GW is taboo with for imperials to do

but penal legions are okay

just dont use bombers

[queen laurel]

nice nice anyway

[outer wave]

Is that because Imp Guard are more of the face of the human faction than the penal legions?

[storm jungle]

Yep

and a miniature thing

[queen laurel]

i choose to just poison you with like toxin tractors

[arctic talon]

the Ironkin has drip

[storm jungle]

you cant have kids playign with suicide bombers

which is lol

[arctic talon]

I mean they do use bombers

but yeah its not in minis

lol

[queen laurel]

he got the dilara drip

[arctic talon]

the loyalist rebels in Kingmaker use a body bomb(based)

[storm jungle]

yeah but not on tabletop

for reasons lmao

in novels you can get away with it

because nobody reads books

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

on tabletop though? Yeah no lmao

[outer wave]

Well, least the really weird Imperial Guard fans dont glorify suicide bombings

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

I mean

[storm jungle]

they 100% would

[arctic talon]

they do

[storm jungle]

but yes

LOL

ELITE 💀

[arctic talon]

[outer wave]

Damnb

[arctic talon]

I will speak the truth

[outer wave]

Well then we should put them in anyway!

[arctic talon]

Anyways another 1000$ to the GSC bombvest budget

have you guys heard of the cawdor bomb vest strat

[outer wave]

Nope

[arctic talon]

where you strap a bunch of teenagers with bombs

and use them as suicide bombing units

[queen laurel]

You don't know how warhammer fans work do you

[arctic talon]

in Munda

Juves can take bomb vests for free

[queen laurel]

This setting attract some of the most deranged fools

to live

[arctic talon]

and have no penalties to using them

and also juves are cheap

solution

Juve bombvest

[outer wave]

Look, allow me, an optimist, be optimistic about people I dont like okay?

[storm jungle]

Why isnt there a mini of it!!!!

[arctic talon]

pay the absolute minimum for juves, give them bomb vests

And then just spam them

[arctic talon]

Because none of the juves have minis

[storm jungle]

oh right

[arctic talon]

also GW would never have the balls

[storm jungle]

they exist in your mind

my bad

[arctic talon]

to make a juve with a bombvest on

lol

[storm jungle]

actually that reminds me

[arctic talon]

they don't have the balls to make actual juve minis

because juves are literal teenagers

[storm jungle]

i love how in the current 30k game you can have fucking votann dwarf slaves lol

[queen laurel]

yeah because fans will cry like babies about it

[storm jungle]

sorry i mean "helots"

[arctic talon]

not really

lol

[storm jungle]

which is literally just slaves

[arctic talon]

I think GW just doesn't want to show

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

teenagers killing each other

[outer wave]

Was gonna say Dilara

[arctic talon]

in official boxart LOL

[queen laurel]

It's like you know making orcs slaves and sugar coating it by calling them laborers

[outer wave]

Those are just slaves anyway

[arctic talon]

like

[storm jungle]

LOL I know

spartan ahh

[arctic talon]

Juves pretty much get

0 representation in art

or minis

because its a pretty grim subject lol

[queen laurel]

Seriously chaos dwarves just call it slaves you are already sacrificing people to make machinery

[arctic talon]

on how gangs just give teenagers guns and tell them to go die for the cause

[outer wave]

Its almost as if this setting is.... hrmm....

Grimdark or something

[queen laurel]

calling your slaves laborers won't get you off the bad people list

[arctic talon]

but yeah no

I don't think munda will ever get actual juve minis

the same reason bolt action

[storm jungle]

the munda gods are generous

[arctic talon]

never got hitler youth minis

lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

What you can run them

they suck ass lol

they're fucking kids

you can buy bikes for 1 point

Juves similarly also mostly suck ass

except for cawdor juves

because of the glorious suicide bombing strat

[storm jungle]

maybe some things are better left untouched

[arctic talon]

turns out teenagers and kids with guns

aren't very good at fighting

and get scared easily

WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

but yeah juves are mostly meme teir units on Munda

except for ash waste nomad and Cawdor juves

because they're religous fanatics

[storm jungle]

I had dumbasses telling me we'd never get spyrer minis

because "they are too goofy"

[arctic talon]

idk

[storm jungle]

we'll get juves one day

[arctic talon]

I think juves are like

too dark

but maybe we will get them lol

I won't say no

[vagrant fox]

I want juve minis now

[arctic talon]

I do want some orlock juves

[storm jungle]

for anyone reading btw Juve = Juvenile

[unique aurora]

i hope THQ is reborn and makes another DoW that is more like DoW1...and include the squats 🙂

[arctic talon]

best juves are like

[queen laurel]

don't worry i just need channel old gw for the Juve bomber minis to become real

[storm jungle]

THQ has essentially dropped DOW

[unique aurora]

i know

[storm jungle]

so maybe in another 10 years

[arctic talon]

Cawdor, Delaque, Escher, Van saar and nomads

Escher Juves

[unique aurora]

i mean its not even the same THQ...just the animated corpse of it

[arctic talon]

are good because they get drugged to the gills

before they get sent out to fight

so they don't get scared easily

but they're still literal teenagers

Delaque juves get mind controlled and brainwashed

and can actually shoot their guns

they fold like paper though under fire

[outer wave]

Isnt there a rumor going around that DoW 4 is in the works?

[arctic talon]

Van Saar juves get really good gear and guns

cheap

downside is they get scared super easily

[unique aurora]

DoW4 will end up being like "LoL DoW"

[arctic talon]

and are weak physically

[storm jungle]

We'll deffo get it one day

[arctic talon]

Nomad ones don't break at all

[unique aurora]

Moba dow

[arctic talon]

but they have shit guns

[storm jungle]

40k has a surge in game popularity

[arctic talon]

and equipment

and then cawdor have bomb vests

[unique aurora]

thanks to SM2

[arctic talon]

and really good morale

terrible everything else

extremely cheap

[queen laurel]

do Goliath have juves?

[arctic talon]

Yes

they're bad

too expensive

you might as well bring an actual adult

[outer wave]

Yeah but considering how bad DoW3 did, are investors/publishers even interested in making a 4th game?

[arctic talon]

Goliath juves suck at aiming

[storm jungle]

Every question like this

[arctic talon]

they're nice big meat slabs

[storm jungle]

can be answered with "money"

[arctic talon]

but thats about it

you'd rather run an actual ganger

[unique aurora]

probably not.

[arctic talon]

they're tougher, stronger, more accurate

the worst juves are Ironhead squat juves

by far lol

they're so bad

[outer wave]

I get that but generally speaking, investors are kinda big pussies that dont try doing the same thing twice if it failed the first time

[arctic talon]

They only get long ranged weapons

but they have terrible accuracy and cost a ton

[unique aurora]

i should finish soulstorm....i never got around to finishing the campaign.

[storm jungle]

Soulstorm is hot trash but its worth the adventure lol

[arctic talon]

anyways Escher, Delaque and Cawdor are like the top 3 teenagers with guns

because they can't morale spiral

and have a bunch of teens runaway in fear

because they're literally getting killed

[unique aurora]

honestly maybe just modding dow1 would be good enough. they have what. IG, SM, Orks, Tau, Eldar, CSM, Sisters, Necrons.

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

Cawdor

[unique aurora]

so...just missing tyranids, squats and..uh..proably missing a few minor faction, but pretty good represtation overall.

[queen laurel]

blegh the campaign was a bit souless

[unique aurora]

yah, i had to stop playing soulstorm coz it wasn't really very good. dark crusade was god though

and also the IG expansion was awesome. baneblade.

still rankles me that the ult unit for SM was the landraider...

[queen laurel]

Yeah you save your buildings on provinces and places the commanders interacted on strongholds

the campaign genuinely feels alive

[arctic talon]

I want to run a munda campaign

With only juves

I think it would be fun

They have so many specific sheets but no one ever uses them

Like no one ever runs the gang leader variants

For juves because why would you

But the rules are funny

[vagrant fox]

You are selling me on juves, I want more child and teen ganger lore

[arctic talon]

They’re so peak whenever they show up in lore

It’s a shame they suck but it’s realistic

Oh also Van Saar sending a subtek by accident into hive secundus

Is peak munda lore

[tough haven]

Have you played unification?

its very good

[winter pine]

Necromunda in general is like peak hive city 40k

[tough haven]

I wish territory changed hands more impactfully though

[queen laurel]

Look I respect a teenager that is brave enough to get into a gunfight but I'm pretty sure you put them in front of someone like this they will get reduced into a bloody red smear

[tough haven]

but overall its awesome

[crisp heath]

Warhammer has...child soldiers

[arctic talon]

well yeah

thats what whiteshields are

[crisp heath]

That's grim

[queen laurel]

yeah what

[arctic talon]

10-17 year olds

for whiteshields

[queen laurel]

Useful for clearing minefields

[arctic talon]

LOL

[queen laurel]

[crisp heath]

[arctic talon]

literal 16 year old with a gun

okay now go kill the other people

[vagrant fox]

Hey the aliens and rebels aren't going on kill themselves

[arctic talon]

the fact Escher juves are called "little sisters"

is fucking grim lol

But yeah Van Saar accidently sending a juve to hive secundus

is fucking hilarious

[queen laurel]

the said Other People

[arctic talon]

literal 12-16 year old fighting mutated xenos horrors beyond imagination

granted none of these in the image are subteks

but you get the idea

[crisp heath]

Jeez

[queen laurel]

they go there as sport by the way

[arctic talon]

Hive Secundus is a goldmine for rare tech

[queen laurel]

Like I am pretty sure I if I remember they treated us like a way to get more clout or something

[arctic talon]

thats for Nobles

[crisp heath]

The kids?

[queen laurel]

yeha that

[arctic talon]

thats for noble teens/young adults yeah

they get kitted out in these big rigs

to do it

[vagrant fox]

I sometimes consider the whiteshields in Fall of Cadia
Absolutely shit day to be a child soldier

[crisp heath]

Man that's crazy

[arctic talon]

oh

thats in the fall of cadia book

some 14 year old kid

gets his leg blown off

by a heavy bolter

[queen laurel]

hell yeah

[crisp heath]

Oh lmao I ask about child soldiers when actually I just remeber kreig being as young as 15 16 sometimes

[arctic talon]

yeah Kreig just has child soldiers that are hidden among adult ones

Cadians paint a white stripe on the helmet to indicate if they're kids LOL

Which is why they're called White Shields

[vagrant fox]

Yeah, fresh off Krieg as a mid teen. Great soldiers

[crisp heath]

You reckon the enemy goes for them

[arctic talon]

"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish -- I call them troops. Good troops."

[crisp heath]

Thinking there medics or something

[arctic talon]

idk

prolly not

cadian whiteshields are fanatics

[crisp heath]

Hopefully not

[arctic talon]

they're brave until they aren't

they do have a breaking point

[crisp heath]

As all people are

[queen laurel]

making whiteshields fight a group of slugga boys is crazy work

[vagrant fox]

It's kind of morbidly funny how they're described climbing on enemy tanks en masse in Fall of Cadia to become proper guardsmen

[crisp heath]

Stealing that lmao

[arctic talon]

but yeah Hive Secundus is literally hell on earth in munda

its super dangerous

irradiated

full of mutant genestealers

but there is really good loot inside

[winter pine]

luv me funny ancient murder fungus

[crisp heath]

SEND IN THE CHILDREN CORPORAL

[arctic talon]

I love how much more professional the Van Saar tek-hunters look

compared to the normal gangers

still probably going to die horribly

[crisp heath]

There equipped well

[arctic talon]

yeah

The tech hunters sent to hive secundus by the gangs are the best equipped the gangs can do

[crisp heath]

For a ganger crew esp

[arctic talon]

Van Saars whole thing is having the best tech as well

among munda gangs

[crisp heath]

Wouldn't be surprised if there used as mercs time to time

[arctic talon]

They're still worse then the actual guardsmen in terms of training

but they do get hired out as mercs by noble houses

to protect their kids when they go to Secundus to get clout lol

now granted Spryers don't need much protection

[crisp heath]

Guardsmen are actually really elite

[arctic talon]

with how absurd those suits are

Munda shows the difference between guards and gangers well tbh

gangers have terrible morale and shit aim compared to actual soldiers

[storm jungle]

also remember almost all gangers on Necromunda are largely disposable foot troops of the House they are named after

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

minus like Delaque whos a hivemind and Cawdor who are homeless people lol

[arctic talon]

LOL

hey cawdor have llike

churches

made out of like rotten wood

I love the flamer + mancatcher combo tbh

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Makes sense for fighting Genestealers

does it work(sometimes)

grab the stealer so it can't maul you and then torch it

[queen laurel]

do goliath send tek hunters

or they don't bother with that stuff

[arctic talon]

They do

every gang has them

we just don't have minis or lore for any but Van saar

which is why imo Secundus felt really half baked

[queen laurel]

yeah like

every opportunity is important in necromunda

[crisp heath]

House cawdor look really cool

Bunch of Zealots pre much

And corpse grinders look awesome too

Slave ogryns!!!

[nocturne crest]

Would it make sense for the Admech to send their own units to scout for tech on Necromunda?

[arctic talon]

Helmwr and the necromundan noble houses make sure that the mechanicus has no reason to check

they send archeotech every once in a while to placate them

[queen laurel]

yeah because the war that will happen when

mechanicus finds the rich technological bounty of necromunda

is gonna be insane

especially if they find out about the intact STC

[lament shoal]

Do machine spirits come from the warp?

[crisp heath]

It is considered super natural rather than from the machine but it's not known

[arctic talon]

Some of them in theory

[lament shoal]

Thx guys

And have they always existed or did they only start showing up when the imperium started believing in their existence? and does xenos tech also have them?

[arctic talon]

Some xenos tech has it

most doesn't

And we don't know regarding the existance of it

[young pecan]

When was this added??

[crisp heath]

I did not know xeno had machine spirit aside from csm interesting

Sorry demon engine*

[arctic talon]

CSM aren't xenos tbf

[lament shoal]

Wait lemme guess, its the LOV that have them too right?

[arctic talon]

Tau and LoV

yeah

[lament shoal]

Tau I'm a bit surprised by

[crisp heath]

Yeah true that

[lament shoal]

I remember there being a novel where Shadowsun and some other tau solider thought the imperials were weird for believing in the spirits

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Its the mechanicus that says they have it

there's no evidence

for it from the Tau

[lament shoal]

Ah that makes more sense lol

[tough haven]

In the LOV book a Brokhyr makes fun of a tech priest for believing in machine spirits until he gets pissed and leaves

[arctic talon]

Yeah

well Mechanicus doctrine says LoV stuff has it

same with tau stuff LOL

[queen laurel]

Yeah eldar ork and necrons off the top of my head definitely don't have it in their eyes

[dapper gyro]

This but an enemy type in Darktide.

[dusk patrol]

No

[arctic talon]

Like a hook rat

But it burns you to death

[queen laurel]

look i don't need another enemy for my team to ignore while it it gives me submission training

[sonic willow]

Freak !

[storm jungle]

Sir the #psyker-class 2 channels above you

[vagrant fox]

Psykers are freaks indeed, today we go on the weightfold path again

[sharp pollen]

guys is this picture real

[crisp heath]

You taking the beer or leaving the man hanging?!

My moneys on ai

[sharp pollen]

i uhh i um ahhh !!!! i !!! um !!!

[crisp heath]

Over a real picture

Now I'm unsure

[green loom]

The head os AO

*is AI

The rest MIGHT not be

Although I don't see the beer reflected so probably AI too

[sharp pollen]

fuck i didnt expect people to actually guess

of cource its fucking ai

[green loom]

The face looks wrong and the hair has AI shading

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-monsoon-metal-gear-mgrr-warlord-megatron-gif-16076390086750054029

[green loom]

It's also a lot bigger then the rest of the body

I'm pretty sure the armour is wrong also

So maybe AI too

The fingers are real though

And the beer

[arctic talon]

It’s def mostly AI lol

[green loom]

There's models where you can designate what area to work on which is probably what they did

[arctic talon]

It looks so wrong

[crisp heath]

Ask an ye shall recieve s'ah

[sharp pollen]

bro its fucking ultra realistic raiden holding a beer near some post soviet building

why the fuck are you guessing

[green loom]

I mean I was only contemplating it being real because Russian cosplayers tend to be good and do weird shit lol

Uncanny valley hit instantly though I was just making sure

[dusk patrol]

That’s the most AI looking shit ever

[green loom]

[misty vector]

Proud stinker

[hallow saddle]

Do not open any of the car doors!!!!!

[vagrant fox]

The brapwagon

[dapper gyro]

Hey guys, I'm an AI.

Created by 2 humans

[sharp pollen]

uhhh alright didnt know about the cosplay stuff

99% of what i see is just some genshin shit and thats it

[rose thorn]

What am I even looking at

[dusk patrol]

Fake fan detected

[arctic talon]

Death guard symbol

[rose thorn]

No the dg symbol I get

[arctic talon]

Oh

It’s Reddit

[rose thorn]

Eceytntjng else is what I’m
Confused about

What part of the car is this

[arctic talon]

Prolly some subreddit about like

It’s a truck

I think

It’s the back window

And then the bed

[rose thorn]

OH THE

OHHH

I thought it was a windshield wiper lmao

[rose thorn]

i dont wnana play diablo but id liek to play a game similar to diablo, any suggestions

[green loom]

Path of Exile?

[vagrant fox]

Titan Quest babeeeey

2 is out soon

[sharp pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416253732498702357/1353730458612924416/from-russian-event-when-the-orange-box-was-released-v0-ectryco6qvpe1.webp?ex=67e2b73c&is=67e165bc&hm=0ae7eb2533dc179ed38c5e06e9749bc07c8f99366a14604e87739359e0fc7f5b&

bro

just saw this

[rose thorn]

forgot that was a real game

[queen laurel]

what

[sharp pollen]

yeah PoE is good

much to do

(not the poe2 tho)

[queen laurel]

you know what

i expected nothing at this point

[green loom]

Lmao the Alyx

Genshin impact Alyx

[dapper gyro]

Low rise pants crop top top, peak 2000s.

[arctic talon]

Random nid reveal lol

[queen laurel]

what the zog is that

[arctic talon]

It's a Brood Nest

[vagrant fox]

Rumour has it there's even more world eaters on the menu

[sharp pollen]

i shouldnt stick my servo-penis in it...
unless...

[shadow plover]

Imma call a new Tyranid Kill Team and that will be a part of the terrain in the box set they'll be introduced in

[queen laurel]

a Brood nest?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[shadow plover]

nest where you go brooding into

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-anakin-skywalker-hayden-hayden-christensen-star-wars-gif-17340859

[queen laurel]

Oh it's the thing where it spawns like creatures that support the attack

[arctic talon]

Sorta

[queen laurel]

Tyranids don't have a kill team yes?

[arctic talon]

They don’t

[queen laurel]

yeah that thing can work as a set piece

[shadow plover]

old one for comparison

[tough haven]

Who up brooding in they nest?

[queen laurel]

Oh man now thats great

[rose thorn]

Maybe killteams?

The reveals are on Wednesday???

I am busy Wednesday fuckk

[hallow saddle]

is it me or does the old one look better

(brood nest)

[nocturne crest]

I bet it will be Tyranids vs Space marine kill team

[hallow saddle]

about damn time

[nocturne crest]

Sorry, I forgot to turn out the reply ping bit.

Is there any units left that need the primaris treatment?

[hallow saddle]

vanguard vets perhaps

thats the only thing i can thnink of

assault terminators

[spare osprey]

Fallen kill team

No bias

[rose thorn]

I think the nid in it dates it horrendously

[queen laurel]

this like a nurgle cultist saying he doesn't stink

[rose thorn]

I forgot does 40K does like ‘story part 2 boxes’

[nocturne crest]

Imagine it's a Deathwatch kill team.

Like, just Deathwatch veterans or something.

[rose thorn]

Like it’s a continuation of a previous box set

[hallow saddle]

in kill team yes

not rly in 40k

[rose thorn]

Ah gotcha

[hallow saddle]

not that i can think of anyway

[rose thorn]

I couldn’t remember if the drukhari vs sisters has a multi box set

AOS has some but they aren’t common

[nocturne crest]

I think I would laugh if it was Ex-GSC vs Tyranids Killteam.

[spare osprey]

Ex-GSC?

[nocturne crest]

Like that one with the beastmen vs Votann. The ex cultists endgame is to get off world.

[rose thorn]

?

OH

[nocturne crest]

Yeah, don't the tyranids turn off the mind control for GSC near the end?

[queen laurel]

on rare occassions i think GSC can get away from the hivemind

[rose thorn]

Inconsistent/doenst matter

They are always killed, most of the time they send a few ships to spread the cult

[queen laurel]

yes but sometimes the cult is so useful they keep them around

[rose thorn]

They usually send a magos and a few important people (and a nid) to kick start cults

That’s why we have what’s her name

[nocturne crest]

Can't GSC fight tyranids if they're different fleet to one of the cult?

[rose thorn]

No, unless they are chaos tainted or is that one asshole fleet

[queen laurel]

Yeah unity and purpose and all that

They are also progenitors of the so-called savior

[rose thorn]

Cults kill each other usually

If they encounter each othe

[queen laurel]

Ah yes of course

They just cannot get along

[rose thorn]

That’s why Catholics in the us are the 4th most common victim of religion fueled hate crimes lmao

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[late osprey]

just heard Captain Davian Thule of the Blood Ravens use the phrase "to pay dividends"

what do we know of the Imperium of Man Holy Stock Market?

does the inquisition play the role of the SEC?

[nocturne crest]

Now that I think about it, would a kill team be possible for knights?

[late osprey]

like knight titans?

[spare osprey]

Not likely

[raven stone]

To be absolutely fair here - on very rare occasions, after the Tyranid victory the GS Cultists are freed from control before consumption for...reasons.

(Pretty sure that lore line was written so GSC players can fight Nids if they want)

[nocturne crest]

I feel like it was for grim darkness.

[nocturne crest]

Would a Knight milita be plausible?

[raven stone]

Mind you it doesn't always happen, and it never will be clear whether it is deliberate or not...

[raven stone]

Maybe a Kill Team of Knight pilots bereft of their suits for reasons

[nocturne crest]

Alternative Idea. Kill team where it's one knight and the other side are the ones order to kill it.

[arctic talon]

Imo if the nid stuff is for KT

It’s likely to be deathwatch vs nids

Or they’ll come out of left field lol

[nocturne crest]

Have the knight something new and rare. Maybe a Psyker knight?

[arctic talon]

Not possible

Not for loyalists

[dusk patrol]

What if

Guard

Vs

Guard

[raven stone]

Would be odd considering Deathwatch was maltreated previously...

[arctic talon]

I think knights are GW’s last wants for a kill team lol

[arctic talon]

Chalnath has a watch fortress

So

[dusk patrol]

One Armiger

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t be out of left field

[raven stone]

Ah ok

[arctic talon]

The orks were pretty out of left field

For chalnath but meh

It works

[nocturne crest]

They already got Brood bros.

[raven stone]

This might herald the Primaris Deathwatch...

[dusk patrol]

They have them already

[raven stone]

Not narratively

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Yes they do

[raven stone]

In terms of miniature

[arctic talon]

What

They do

They have access to them

[nocturne crest]

Unless you can get Orgyns to become Brood brothers as well.

[dusk patrol]

Both

[arctic talon]

And DW primaris got an upgrade sprue

[arctic talon]

They can, though normally it’s just the kiss

And then brainwashing

[raven stone]

Wait they did that already...huh

[dusk patrol]

They did it years ago

[arctic talon]

It was just a basic heraldry one

But yeah

[raven stone]

How did GW not make a huge deal about it lol

[dusk patrol]

DW was always made to primarily use the basic marine stuff anyways

[arctic talon]

They normally don’t?

[nocturne crest]

Maybe it will be the first Xeno vs Xeno killteam.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a sprue

[nocturne crest]

Votann vs Tyranids or something.

[dusk patrol]

And this was like

[arctic talon]

There’s been a ton

Lol

[dusk patrol]

7 years ago now

[arctic talon]

Well

There’s been 3 or 4

[nocturne crest]

Oh.

[arctic talon]

I can think of off the top of my head

[nocturne crest]

Got picts?

[arctic talon]

Most recent one was brood bros vs LoV

[dusk patrol]

Smelling a lot of fake fans in the chat today

[arctic talon]

And they’re 4th gen stealers

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

So I’d count them tbh

And they also have the patriarch as an option

[raven stone]

Imagine it's secretly more Inquisition stuff.
Inquisition vs Nids...
/copium

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

Kryptmann model when

[arctic talon]

As long as it’s less miserable to play into then the current inqusition team

[raven stone]

Actual Inquisition Scions

[arctic talon]

Inqusitorial storm trooper?

[raven stone]

That Agents Codex can take

Ye

[arctic talon]

Prolly not this set imo

[nocturne crest]

Oh.

[arctic talon]

We just got the like

[nocturne crest]

Forgot that existed.

[arctic talon]

Aquillons

[raven stone]

Fair

[arctic talon]

I think it’s unlikely we get another team of 4+ with hotshots in the same wave

But maybe I’ll be wrong

LOL

[nocturne crest]

Nids vs DG

[arctic talon]

DG have a killteam

I’m hoping for no overlap personally tbh

[nocturne crest]

And they'll get another

[raven stone]

Also of note is both KT and big 40k get reveals

[arctic talon]

Yep

Big 40k is prolly the traitor legion stuff

[nocturne crest]

More killteams for chaos.

[arctic talon]

Kollteam is whatever

[arctic talon]

Chaos literally has a ton

They have like

5 or 6

[raven stone]

Nids vs...Dark Mechanicum!?

[arctic talon]

Unlikely, chaos isn’t in chalnath)yet)

[raven stone]

Chaos is GW's second favourite kid after Imperium lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Well

Not really sorta

[nocturne crest]

More!

[arctic talon]

It’s a lot more even now

[arctic talon]

No

If it’s chaos undivided absolutely not lol

[raven stone]

I mean for Chaos Undivided...GW is really locking that to generic CSM/Belakor

[arctic talon]

Not really

We got a Nlords KT

And the blooded and the cultist KT are both unrelated to black legion or belly k

And the beastmen are their own thing

[raven stone]

True, but you (arguably) won't take them unless you really do a Nightlord themed army (or not give a fuck about lore lol)

[arctic talon]

I mean

I don’t care about KT units in bighammer ngl

KT stuff is released for KT first

[nocturne crest]

Iron Warriors KT.

[raven stone]

I see, fair enough

[arctic talon]

The only exception to that rule in recent history is the blades of khaine KT box

[raven stone]

On that note, one KT for each Traitor legion. Why not.

[arctic talon]

Which is 10 striking scorps

[storm jungle]

I take one look in here and its sexual comments regarding nid orifices

never change chat

[arctic talon]

Because it’s not necessary

Imo

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1279574218950049814/diggin.gif

[arctic talon]

There’s factions that need it more

Now

Eventually someday sure, but rn absolutely not

[raven stone]

But...we are now just talking KT wishes lol

[arctic talon]

Legionaries are broad enough to cover several dif undivided legions imo

Same with angels of death for LSM

[nocturne crest]

I got it

Dark Eldar Mercenary/Slaves KT

[raven stone]

Message unclear, GW will retire the generic legionnaires, and make Traitor Legion specific KTs, so you have to buy more models :p

[arctic talon]

That’s not how the classified system works

[storm jungle]

class system?

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[nocturne crest]

The first team to have one different factions to fight a unified one.

[arctic talon]

GW is doing a weird rotation thing for KT tournaments they’re running directly lol

[raven stone]

He said classified system 😅

[storm jungle]

Oh right

[arctic talon]

Where teams will become no longer for comp

Except they still get rule updates every quarter lol

So like

What the fuck lol

You’re not even making less work for yourself GW

[nocturne crest]

One grot, two humans, one t au and one ork

Fighting tyranids.

[storm jungle]

Anyway keep arguing tabletop losers im here for cool mini reveals

[raven stone]

GW treating tabletop rules like Live Service DLC (without the payments)

[arctic talon]

I want the cool minis to be actually relevant

[raven stone]

Instructions unclear, all terrain reveals instead.

[arctic talon]

Lol

If it’s nothing but terrain

[nocturne crest]

Maybe have a rule for the ork to eat a human to regain wounds.

[arctic talon]

I’ll laugh my ass off

[storm jungle]

not happening

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

It does though smh

[storm jungle]

you will take your hobo zealots and you'll like it

[arctic talon]

Okay but those fit

With chalnath

[storm jungle]

Chalnath

is that a new medicine or something

[nocturne crest]

What if it's Tyranids artillery?

[storm jungle]

we already got that

the biovore

[arctic talon]

That is not how killteam works

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[nocturne crest]

Shoots out babies or something.

[storm jungle]

what

no it-

[arctic talon]

That is

[storm jungle]

it shoots acid balls

what the fuck 💀

[arctic talon]

Literally the biovore sorta

[storm jungle]

i mean

[arctic talon]

The spore mines

[storm jungle]

do you count spore mines as babies

[arctic talon]

I mean

[nocturne crest]

Not the Unit.

[arctic talon]

Sorta?

They’re new born

[storm jungle]

no

[nocturne crest]

What I think the terrain piece is.

[arctic talon]

I count them as babies the same way I count the nid warrior

As a baby

We already know what the terrain piece is

[nocturne crest]

Like that Space marine fortification unit.

Hammerbunker or whatever it is called.

[arctic talon]

It’s based on an old ass fw terrain piece

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

It’s a big nesting thing

[storm jungle]

from starcraft yeah

[celest dome]

If yes, shouldn't all (or most of) the Tyranid bullets count as such too ?

[arctic talon]

For smaller to medium sized nids

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

yeah this is why Elite is a stinker

kill him

[arctic talon]

Now let the baby eat your insides

[storm jungle]

damn it

he has a point

however ill be ignoring this

[raven stone]

He is technically correct, the best kind of correct…

[nocturne crest]

The hammerfest bunker.

[sacred bluff]

40k stole nids from starcraft

[arctic talon]

I curse you to stub your toe today

[celest dome]

||So a Dwarf is a human baby||

[arctic talon]

No

[celest dome]

Yesn't

[raven stone]

Incoming Exterminatus bombardment

[storm jungle]

get him chat

rip his heart out

[celest dome]

They did influence them somewhat though

[arctic talon]

They cross pollinated

With each other lol

Which is the funniest shit ever

[raven stone]

And interestingly, y’all remember Andy Chambers?

He used to work for GW

Then he hopped over to Blizzard to work on SC2

Then doing his own thing now

[arctic talon]

Ye

[raven stone]

So yes, that is why SC2 Ghost armour looks a wee bit like Eldar armor, amongst other things…

[nocturne crest]

Is the hammerfest bunker got a person inside or is it all servitors?

[arctic talon]

Servitor and cogitators handle the guns

[sacred bluff]

me fr

[arctic talon]

Ripper plushy

My beloved

[nocturne crest]

What a cute fellow.

[wet imp]

fight eldar

nurgle eldar

[storm jungle]

awful idea

get a better one

[vagrant fox]

khorne eldar

[nocturne crest]

Ork Eldar

[storm jungle]

^real

anyway

the Tyranid KT should be 1 Norn Emissary

since Leviathan boxset lore says it can assassinate and do stealth

its also very small

look at it, perfect stealth unit

[raven stone]

Rofl

[arctic talon]

💀

4 APL

35 wounds

12” move

[storm jungle]

FYI it can literally flatten itself to sneak through crevices too

like i dont mind it

but its so fucking funny

[raven stone]

Might be Non Player enemies they keep rambling on about.

[arctic talon]

It’s a contortionist

Lol

[arctic talon]

They don’t release minis for those tbf

They just release blank sheets

For you to apply minis to

[raven stone]

Yea look we can only accept Alien shoutouts if it makes sense for the map lol

[arctic talon]

I will be annoyed if they try to act like it’s something new for releasing minis for NPOs lol

[raven stone]

Ok, true, might not actually be mentioned in the upcoming preview. But when they do release non player enemies, I expect this to be one of them.

[arctic talon]

Because the whole point is NPOs can be whatever you want

[raven stone]

Ah

[arctic talon]

And you just use existing bits and minis for it

[vagrant fox]

riposte

[raven stone]

So yea just create a bonkers profile

[arctic talon]

NPO’s have 5 dif tiers

[raven stone]

And use a Nid mini

[nocturne crest]

I got it.

[arctic talon]

GW has made the NPO rules free so far

[nocturne crest]

Tyranids vs Astropaths KT.

[arctic talon]

Which is nice

[storm jungle]

coughing baby vs nuclear bomb

[raven stone]

I should take a gander just for fun

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

like

one is literally frail bald people that are treated as telephones

[nocturne crest]

Well, that depends on what the Astropath Corps is.

[storm jungle]

the other is killer elite xenomorphs

[arctic talon]

Astropaths aren’t fighters

An astropath in a KT would make sense

An entire squad would make 0 sense

[nocturne crest]

How about an Astropath and their bodyguards?

[celest dome]

Astra Telepathica Kill Team could be nice

[opaque coyote]

Honestly imagine this thing being completely silent

Like despite being so big, it's footsteps are completely silent

[storm jungle]

The Emmi is like hilariously op, it kicks a custodes and it gets decapi-crush-tated

you are essentially dead unless you got some massive plot armor from how needlessly strong it is

its kinda cracked

[celest dome]

Astropath do have some fighting abilities, of which the Voidfrost (I want it in DT)

[opaque coyote]

"Oh God. EVERYONE GO HELMETLESS NOW. WE NEED PLOT ARMOR ASAP"

[storm jungle]

only reason Leontus from Resident Evil 4 even survives is due to Trojan Valerian being there

[arctic talon]

Nah it also kicks the named custodes dudes ass lol

It’s so funny

[storm jungle]

Kinda it still loses

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[storm jungle]

again its too OP

so like theres no option

[arctic talon]

But it’s not trying to kill him

And it like

Breaks several of his bones

[storm jungle]

How about I try to kill you

[arctic talon]

I’d like to see you try

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-at-camera-go-my-scarab-flying-rhino-beetle-gif-13437238262321750075

nyoooom

[arctic talon]

[shadow plover]

POV you're on a kill team mission

[storm jungle]

I LOVE that fucking artwork

[shadow plover]

it do be slapping

[storm jungle]

I remember how i showed it to a friend for the first time

I just posted this half first

[shadow plover]

[storm jungle]

"They look kinda cooked right"

[celest dome]

It'd hugging the pillar the same way my friends do when they are drunk and trying to stay up

[arctic talon]

What bioform is that lol

A hive tyrant?

[storm jungle]

Tyrant yeah

but might be with some liberties

[shadow plover]

maybe even a swarm lord given how it has the four sword arms

[storm jungle]

Yeah that, Lewis Jones prob just winged it

since its just a side illustration lol

[arctic talon]

It is a legal loadout for the tyrant tbf

[tough haven]

Is that actually how how large a hive tyrant is?

[arctic talon]

Wait no it isn’t

Nvm

[arctic talon]

Big

[tough haven]

If so, tabletop does not do its scale justice

[shadow plover]

the tyrant model is also like 20 years old

[rocky gale]

They told me I’d never get a date, now I’ve got three bags full

[arctic talon]

Yeah the tyrant mini is old old

[shadow plover]

and the resculpt which got it the wing set used the same torso for it

[storm jungle]

they are big boys

also red lasers???

i thought GW said las bolts were yellow

🤨

strange....

[shadow plover]

I've got the metal and the current plastic one, they're the exact same size

[opaque coyote]

Again

Personal HC is that it depends on the power setting

[storm jungle]

Its just stupid honestly

no idea why they ever bothered with that blog

lol

[opaque coyote]

True

[shadow plover]

personal hc says it depends on the atmosphere they're fired in

[opaque coyote]

But hey fuck it

[storm jungle]

personal hc says im shooting you both

[opaque coyote]

GW has made more dumbass decisions

[shadow plover]

personal hc says you can't aim for shit

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

Personal HC says nuh uh

[storm jungle]

[sacred bluff]

is hive tyrant the one with it's own mind free from the hive mind

[queen laurel]

Look even if you shoot laati in the head just like a chaos spawn with regeneration she will just grow it back like nothing happens

[opaque coyote]

Gonna yap about my personal hc anyways because of the power of autism

[queen laurel]

The swarm lord?

Nah

[storm jungle]

Semi, its a large commander bug essentially

[queen laurel]

It's basically the most sapient tyranid

But it's still subservient to the hive mind

[shadow plover]

A Lictor is perfectly detached

[storm jungle]

detached?

[sacred bluff]

Isn't there another sapientish nid

[storm jungle]

literally me fr

[opaque coyote]

Anyways, essentially fire is less hot if it's redder. Yellow flames are hotter than Red. With Blue being the "hottest" color.

So I believe Yellow Lasers are the Lasgun at a higher setting with red being the default power.

@storm jungle

[storm jungle]

Theres a few, jerk said one example

its like a handful tho

[queen laurel]

Well death leaper yeah

[storm jungle]

and they arent super sapient

[sacred bluff]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-can't-have-this-conversation-again-tony-soprano-the-sopranos-gif-16274142811887245291

[opaque coyote]

Gif didn't load

I cannot see

Oh

[queen laurel]

Yeah i don't think old one i knows anything besides i will kill you

[opaque coyote]

Nah we will have this convo again

[shadow plover]

Exactly this!! High power load would be yellow

[storm jungle]

High power load?

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-13520736873899911730

[shadow plover]

You old perv

[sacred bluff]

31 isn't old!!!

[opaque coyote]

"OI, DEEZ SPACE MARINE FELLAZ GOT THE BIGGEST LOAD!"

"WHAT DOES YA MEAN BY THAT YA GIT?"

[queen laurel]

Laati

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

[queen laurel]

I revoke your ork speaking licence

By the authority of the tusk of gork you will not be permitted to speak ork

[sacred bluff]

i literally listen to the best music

😌

[opaque coyote]

OI ya wanka can't even get a loicense to speak me own language

Betta drink a bootle of watah

[dusk patrol]

I think some nerd at War Com needed to crank out an article and it’s just another case of War Com being wrong

[opaque coyote]

Probably that. Either that or it was originally the intention and it just

Faded because red looks cooler

[rocky gale]

Ancient

[opaque coyote]

Warhammer works on the rule of cool 85% of the time

[opaque coyote]

Hey you just got out of the tomb?

[dapper gyro]

Careful, sunlight might burn your scale.

[storm jungle]

The annoying part is like

they are KINDA right in some aspects

since official material started using yellow lasers

[sacred bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/thirty-30-thirty-years-old-30years-old-im-thirty-gif-11865702

[storm jungle]

but also, like, you know

we got books/artwork cleraly showing red lasers

so lol

[nocturne crest]

And the DOW games had red lasers.

[storm jungle]

as ever dont try to apply "concrete" lore to something as inconsistent as 40k

[storm jungle]

A lot of material does yeah

it goes way past DOW

[dusk patrol]

All I know is if all the lore inconsistencies

[dapper gyro]

Looking at laser for extended period of time burned their perception of colours.

[dusk patrol]

I can’t think of one I give a fuck less about than the shade of yellow or red lasguns fire

[queen laurel]

Yeah 40k lore is about as consistent as the warp

[storm jungle]

All I know is all warcom personnel should be shot by borebeetles

[rocky gale]

You mean rockcrete?

[opaque coyote]

Like I said, originally I think that was the intention and maybe they were communicating that.

It just developed outside of that because red looks cooler

[queen laurel]

Nah, rejuvenate them to white shields

[nocturne crest]

Has any series done black laser beams?

[shadow plover]

warhammer

[dapper gyro]

Laser gun in Fallout is much more fun than 40K lasgun.

[opaque coyote]

Since black is like the absence of light

No

[dapper gyro]

Brown laser

Brown is dark orange, and orange is in between yellow and red.

Turd lasgun is the win win.

[crystal forum]

CECIL IS VOICED BY GOGGINS????

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[crystal forum]

how did i never notice

[dusk patrol]

You can tell this cause he sounds just like him

[crystal forum]

he'a not doing a southern accent

[opaque coyote]

I mean yeah.

To nitpick I think FO3 had the best design for the laser gun

[dusk patrol]

He has an accent, he’s just not playing it up

[opaque coyote]

I just don't like the FO4 design

It is

Way too bulky

[crystal forum]

idk im not a burger

[vagrant fox]

what are you from birmingham or something, smh

[crystal forum]

the nuances of southern are lost on me

i can do a real good impression though

howdy partner

[dusk patrol]

Uh huh

[crystal forum]

wanna go get some beers at the drinkin hole

[dapper gyro]

I like the bulkiness with the power they offer.

[rocky gale]

Damn you sound just like John Wayne

[dusk patrol]

“Drinkin hole”

Ugh

[opaque coyote]

I think that the Fallout Classic designs should be like

Added as variants tbh

[dusk patrol]

I’d rather you just call me slurs

[opaque coyote]

Like if there's one thing I do genuinely love about NV, they actually added the older designs