40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

if they want to move into something like that they're going to have to fix the engine

[jade canopy]

Depends on the engine, wouldn't it?

[green loom]

The engine they use for total war can barely stomach all the shooting in Warhammer 3

[jade canopy]

I've never played total war, so

[green loom]

It is quite scuffed, basically

[jade canopy]

well actually no

[crisp heath]

I never said it would be a good game

[jade canopy]

I did play the samural total war

[crisp heath]

It would sell off name alone

[queen laurel]

yeah playing ikit is a funny way to blind siding yourself

[green loom]

More like nuking yourself

[jade canopy]

Exterminatus but on yourself? O:

[green loom]

I love indiscriminately bombing my army!!!!

[crisp heath]

If Total warhammer 40k released I promise you they'd at least break even, regardless of if the game even runs

[green loom]

Oh yeah Defo

It would suck absolute ass

Almost assuredly

But if it has space marines it'll sell

[crisp heath]

But we money talks

One of their more popular games meets its cash cow older cousin?

They'd be dumb not to frankly tbh

[queen laurel]

no rat nuke

https://media1.tenor.com/m/7dFS5fBIQkgAAAAd/doomrocket-total-war-warhammer.gif

[green loom]

Yeah..

[queen laurel]

i just want a game where i can play Iron jawz man

and after the flop of realms of ruin

i lost that hope

[crisp heath]

Is sigmar even more popular than fantasy?

I see almost no sigmar content organically

[queen laurel]

aren't they literally second earner of GW

and over the years they have built up a good enough reputation but compared to 40K

[crisp heath]

Maybe? I know GW just put out some dope LotR stuff

[green loom]

As a tabletop game yeah

[crisp heath]

I see Middle Earth, I see 40k, I see fantasy/old world

[green loom]

But it's a different draw kinda

[queen laurel]

yeah AOS is second only to warhammer 40k in earning

[crisp heath]

But Simgar just never seems to come up

[green loom]

40k has decades of lore and alternative media to consume when getting into it, AoS is a lot more of a nerd wargaming thing still

[queen laurel]

40k is already at the 10th edition

we are only getting on 4 for AOS

[lapis verge]

Most people I talk to seems to hate AoS

[crisp heath]

I don't know Sigmar has a giant white lady riding a bug as a mini so I guess I might get into it

[green loom]

(typically this is for no reason)

[lapis verge]

Everyone kinda agrees Fantasy better

[queen laurel]

that's just people randomly hating without even knowing about it

[lapis verge]

The models I gotta agree are peak

The lore?
Yea no

[green loom]

The lore is pretty neat

Less accessible tho

[queen laurel]

lore is good what you mean?

yep

[lapis verge]

I just can't bring myself to like AoS lore

[crisp heath]

The lore has something called "the necroquake". It's good lore.

If you called anything a "necroquake" I'd love it

[lapis verge]

Too over the top

And yes I know that sounds kinda stupid in regards to describing anything Warhammer

[green loom]

Because it is

It's just a different flavour of fantasy

[queen laurel]

yeah it's high fantasy

[crisp heath]

I do hate the legally distinct faction names tho

Orruk and aelves and so on

[green loom]

Some are better than others but some admittedly are pretty funny

[queen laurel]

what can i say Gw is funny

[queen laurel]

Orruks i have gotten around but man saying it was a handful

[lapis verge]

Only thing that I can genuinely say intrigues me from AoS are the Deepkin (luv me Sea Elves )

And the fact they just copy/pasted Skaven from Fantasy

[green loom]

Gloomspite Gitz is an upgrade to night goblins though

[crisp heath]

Syvalneth is good though

[queen laurel]

100%

[queen laurel]

oh yeah what's your favorite faction

[green loom]

Them

Them and cities

[crisp heath]

Like seriously sylvaneth is both a cool name and genuinely feels like an "evolution" of wood elves despite being mostly tree ghosts

[green loom]

TBF

Wanderers(wood elves) are still around too

In theory

[queen laurel]

Grotz and Cities?

sweet

[green loom]

*Gitz tyvm

[crisp heath]

Exodites are still better wood elves tho despite being long extinct in terms of products

[queen laurel]

lore wise the race is called Grotz

[green loom]

Don't you go slurring my loonboyz

[crisp heath]

Wood elves are my favorite kind of elf but I'm always of the opinion they should be like, the alabama inbred crackhead cousins of high elves

[queen laurel]

that's literally what they are called in universe though what do you want me to say

[green loom]

Grrrr

[crisp heath]

Fantasy at least hit the bare minimum of my requirements and let them be cannibals

Like seriously

Do you ever think about how often wood elves eat people in various franchises

It's basically their defining feature at this point

[queen laurel]

Skyrim Warhammer

[crisp heath]

Dwarf fortress

If it's a WH reference it would be the only one in DF so I doubt it

I'm trying to think of the novel I had that also had cannibalistic wood elves but it escapes me

[lapis verge]

Kinda makes sense tho

A cannibal society is a-ok if your religion forbids eating salad

Besides, at least its fresh meat

Not like we're eating 2 week old carrion

[crisp heath]

That's literally the logic in DF unironically

They Worship plants so they don't eat them, but they eat any enemy they kill instead

If you cut down too many trees, they come for your flesh

Elder Scrolls and Warhammer goes more in a "its disrespectful to not eat anything you kill" angle though so it's less a preference and more a byproduct of war

[lapis verge]

Unless you worship the Lady of Rot that is

mmm eyeballs....

Sauteéd eyeball confit anyone?

[crisp heath]

I love how the morality of every species in DF is hardcoded

BTW kobolds are the moral default in DF

If you aren't exposed to any particular religion or culture in DF you default to kobold ethics

Which is fine because they're clearly the best species

The ethics of kobolds can be considered the most primitive, besides those of goblins (which are basically non-existent). Generally, kobold morals are based on a tribal system of loyalty, with some exceptions such as an opposition to the devouring, butchering or consuming of intelligent beings, slavery, possession of trophies and to most forms of torture (except torture for sport). The moral focus on loyalty makes treason unthinkable among kobolds. Kobolds do not offer much in the form of punishment for crimes: assault is considered a personal matter, while a kobold found to have killed one of their own is forced into exile.

[arctic talon]

Tbf they’re elf souls shoved into trees

Well some of them are

[crisp heath]

Sorry I'm thinking of DF kobolds now

Remember to thank DF for how you think about kobolds

Whether you are in the "cunning trap master" or "shortstack fuck dragon" camp of kobold Fandom, dwarf fortress made that for you

[crystal forum]

those fuckers keep stealing my fortress's valuables

I made a 10 level pitfall trap leading to my artifact room and they still found a way to get in it

[jade holly]

You know

Sometimes I think the humans in the imperium are insane

Then I remember we’re exactly like that right now

Lmao

[tough haven]

Yup

The imperium is very possible

[lapis verge]

Do remember that the Americans already pre-built a big ass chair to set the Emperor of Humanity on

It's just being occupied by Honest Abe atm

[jade holly]

Ever head of the Unkillable Soldier?

[tough haven]

I have not

[jade holly]

Let’s just say he earned his name

He was shot 11 times in war

In his:
eye, groin, ankle, hip, ear, face, skull, stomach,

He lost his hand, ripped his own fingers out when denied an amputation, fell off a moving train

Survived 2 plane crashes

And his most famous quote?
“Frankly, I enjoyed the war”

[jade holly]

The DeathKorps of Krieg are based on the Stormtroopers of WW1 right?

[outer wave]

WW1 french soldiers

[jade holly]

French?

Really?

Their outfit does not scream French influence to me

notable lack of egregious red pants

[tough haven]

Bro I’m so bored, I might reread necron books again

[storm jungle]

They are based on every kind of soldier from WW1

[jade holly]

So just WW1 overall

[outer wave]

Oh I thought it was specifically french soldiers

[jade holly]

but considering their home planet is called Krieg, German for war, I have my suspicions on the biggest inspiration

[crystal forum]

it's funny because old krieg heavy weapons used to look frenchier

[rocky gale]

That's just because Krieg sounds better than Guerre

[jade holly]

Omfg is that where Guerrilla comes from?

[outer wave]

Yes

[jade holly]

Language is an amazing thing

[rocky gale]

Yea it literally means little war

Although it comes from the Spanish Guerra rather than the French Guerre

[jade holly]

Besides the Hellbore Lasgun, what all weapons did Kriegsmen use?

Besides Admech I’d consider them my favorite human group

Mainly cause I’m a history buff and ww1 inspired stuff is always sick

[rocky gale]

Mostly the same variety as most other Guardsmen, but notably the Krieg Engineers use Shotguns and Mole launchers

[jade holly]

ok good because I suck at aiming the Hellbore in game

[crystal forum]

their variety comes mainly from large weapons

[outer wave]

I should use the Helbore the next time I play left side Vet

[rocky gale]

Kreig Quartermasters usually use Bolt Pistols as well and officers can have the same variety as other Guard officers, las pistols, bolt pistols etc

[crystal forum]

krieg uses some uncommon stuff like leman russ annihilators and bombards

[jade holly]

If only I had the Krieg drip

[outer wave]

They also use Hades drills to surprise enemy backlines

[green loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/332324450248949771/1289197814185988167/3dgifmaker06553.gif

[outer wave]

I think they're typically used by Krieg engineering teams?

[rocky gale]

Hades drills are a much bigger thing

[crystal forum]

krieg engineers use shotguns which are also relatively uncommon as standard weapons in the militarum

[jade holly]

Did they ever do the deep dive for level design yet?

[crystal forum]

their storm troopers use hot shot lasguns like all the rest

[rocky gale]

Like

[outer wave]

Yeah they did

I think its done now though

[jade holly]

So they just didn’t upload it to YouTube then

[outer wave]

Its on twitch

[crystal forum]

so i was right in thinking the hades in SM2 are way too big

[green loom]

It's probably scalable

[rocky gale]

Didn't even know the drills were in SM2

[crystal forum]

i noticed every background model

[green loom]

You can find them around the uh

Battle barge level

[crystal forum]

the large amount of utility sentinels in SM2 is pretty cool

even though the models are rarer than hens teeth

[crystal forum]

the last mission has them

im the necron dig site

[green loom]

Same area in the battle barge ye ah

[crystal forum]

the weirdest model in game is the militarum heavy bolter

it has such weird things going on with it

[green loom]

What's it look like

[crystal forum]

i dont have image on me

but it has a vented barrel and a weird optical sight

[storm jungle]

the SM2 one yeah

it bugs me a lot because like

the basic heavy bolter model is very good in mini-form

[crystal forum]

whoever modelled it doesn't seem to understand that the barrel is the whole piece of metal so adding holes to it makes no sense

[storm jungle]

I guess it was their attempt to "tacticalize" it maybe??? Because Cadians got those weird tact-helmets too

but ah well

[crystal forum]

it's just weird considering how 1:1 everything else is in game

also pretty funny how they added like every type of space marine tank but only showed 1 baneblade and the leman russes all have the same loadout

[green loom]

Well I mean

it's a space marine game

[crystal forum]

main battle cannon and sponson multi meltas which i dont think can shoot

[crystal forum]

even then, there's a predator annihilator model that gets used like twice but only as background

it's like they modelled so we go

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[green loom]

Most likely yeah

[normal stream]

You might be confusing the Hades drill for the Termite.

(Or the Mole or Helbore)

[normal stream]

You mean the Termite/Mole/Helbore 🙂

[normal stream]

They were a weapons option for quite a few units in the Guard list, just never worth taking

You were always better off taking flamers and heavy flamers instead

[normal stream]

It looks like they tried to take inspiration from the M2 (those holes don't vent into the barrel)

[normal stream]

Were the helmets different?!

[normal stream]

I don't think they showed a land raider :p

(Or a Razorback or Rhino?)

[storm jungle]

Just slightly but yea they were, they look more modified like the Moebian loyalist helmets than the simple brutalist cadian rebreathers

you literally gotta zoom in to see it tho

[normal stream]

Cadian outfits bore me, so I never bothered to look

[storm jungle]

damn

harsh but not too true lol

[opaque coyote]

I mean the optical sight kinda makes sense

The barrel is too weird even for 40k standards though

How the fuck does that even work

Is it like an extended attachment?

How do heavy bolters cool down anyways

Is it like an MG-42 where you have to like

Open the fucking gun

[jade holly]

This thing?

[opaque coyote]

Mmyeah nah that was a stupid idea

[opaque coyote]

But yeah how does the barrel inside not like

[normal stream]

That's the Space Marine one, not the IG one

[opaque coyote]

Melt

[normal stream]

Also, if you want to be slightly triggered

The Thunderhawk's heavy bolters are larger than the heavy bolters we carry

😂

[opaque coyote]

Like I thought of a sec you have to like

Open up the chassis

And

Throw out the barrel

Replace it with a new one

Similar to the Mg42

Somehow

Don't ask me why I thought of that I just did

[opaque coyote]

I mean it's kinda like how US soldiers don't use the M2 as an LMG.

Well they did during WW2 but tbf that's because they literally didn't have any better options

[normal stream]

I mean that the caliber that they're firing is the same, but that it was scaled up on the Thunderhawk because the whole TH model got scaled up so Primaris can fit in them.

The TH design was based on Firstborn which was pre-truescale primaris

[opaque coyote]

Idk maybe it has a bigger capacity?

[normal stream]

No, the entire gun is bigger.

[opaque coyote]

Oh

Welp, time for the good ol Headcanon tape

It fires a bigger caliber, ignore anything saying otherwise

There

[normal stream]

Also, presumably, the barrels wouldn't overheat as much if they don't have rifled barrels.

But GW lore has gone back and forth on that

[opaque coyote]

Honestly another headcanon I have is this

SMs are confirmed to store ammo on a belt

You can actually see it in some artwork

But I also think they have pauldron storage

Basically they store ammo in those big ass pauldrons just in case

[normal stream]

FYI, for the thunderhawk scale- look at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ui0ftp/dark_angels_thunderhawk_deploying_a_detachment_of/#lightbox

You can see how the Primaris marines are too large to fit on two floors of thunderhawk

[opaque coyote]

They have to crawl in

[normal stream]

In fact, the Primaris marines don't actually fit in the cockpit properly.

[opaque coyote]

You just look into the thunderhawk

See a bunch of Primaris Marines packed in like sardines

"Brother Brad. You farted."

[opaque coyote]

Yeah never understood why they have SMs pilot it

But I guess it's for like

"I don't trust anyone other than my brothers" type of thing

[normal stream]

It's also "SM pilots are more durable"

[opaque coyote]

I mean you don't want the Serf who's pissed about their mistreatment to intentionally crash the thing

[normal stream]

And "SM techmarines can make fixes to it when its grounded"

That actually happens in the SM2 campaign

[opaque coyote]

I mean that part is true.

[opaque coyote]

This however

I mean technically?

[normal stream]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/04/40k-comparing-new-old-thunderhawk.html

BOLS calls dimensions the same, if a little smaller

[opaque coyote]

But if it's gonna crash, there's still a high chance the pilot is gonna die

Or if the pilot gets shot

If it can go through a fucking thunderhawk, it can go through ceramite

[normal stream]

But to make the marines in SM2 fit into the thunderhawk they scaled up the scale relative to the marines

But when you scale it up, all their weapon systems get scaled up

Hence.. a heavy bolter that's like 20% to 30% larger than what you carry ingame

[opaque coyote]

Just say it's a new fancy mars pattern

Made bigger for no reason

They just have the follow the STC

[arctic talon]

Also thunder hawks

Are scaled differently

For the minis

Vehicles have their own scale

Directly upscaling them leads to weirdness

[opaque coyote]

Always thought Minis represent like

More than just a single marine/guardsman or whatever

[normal stream]

it's a weirdness thing on TT

[opaque coyote]

Like idk, one marine mini is equivalent to a squad

[arctic talon]

[normal stream]

Anyways, 40k scale is all kinds of whack

Don't stare too hard at it, or you'll go insane

[arctic talon]

Ignore the scale of the tabletop game

It’s meant to be fun/playable

[opaque coyote]

I mean even in lore it's bad

[arctic talon]

More then adherent to lore

[opaque coyote]

The numbers make no sense

[normal stream]

It's hard to though, because the in-game models are taken from the same CAD models they used for the TT models

[opaque coyote]

I just make it a rule to add like one zero

Instead of 10,000 Marines it's 100,000

That type of thing

[arctic talon]

Wait did they upscale them 1 to 1

[normal stream]

Just like how the cinematics models are the same CAD models.

[arctic talon]

There’s over a million marines in the imperium

[normal stream]

The dead giveaway is how every warlord titan has the exact same details

[arctic talon]

So like I’m w/e on it

[opaque coyote]

Because like in lore, apparently a squad of Marines is enough to fucking take over a planet

How

I don't care how badass they are.

[arctic talon]

Murder the power structure

[normal stream]

Teleport decapitation strike

[arctic talon]

^

Teleport/drop pod in

Murder the leaders

[opaque coyote]

Fair

[arctic talon]

Let the guard clean up

[normal stream]

Night Lords/Sons of Horus style

[arctic talon]

Imo it makes more sense when you realize they’re just

Dropping into a specific place

To murder commanders

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't make it a planetary takeover though

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

But it does lead to it

[opaque coyote]

That's more like an assassination

[normal stream]

They're Very Speshul And Very 1337 Shock Troops

[opaque coyote]

A very loud

Assassination

[arctic talon]

Yes

Marines rarely deploy with like

Just marines being around

[opaque coyote]

IG it's boring to say

[arctic talon]

They’re almost always supporting a pdf or guardsmen

[opaque coyote]

"A squad of Marines can take over a planet...

And like 5 regiments of guardsmen

And PDF defectors/loyalists

And-"

[normal stream]

Typically they're not deploying at Chapter or Company strength unless it's for big engagements either

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Seeing an entire company is already spooky

[normal stream]

Like the Dan Abnett books are usually like, "a squad of marines" supporting multiple regiments

Which feels more like the "proper scale" of engagement

[arctic talon]

Imo the scale of marines is fine overall

I do wish chapters were 10k marines

But whatever

[opaque coyote]

I still think 10 million instead of 1 million makes more sense because

The galaxy is big

[normal stream]

There's a thing called 30k...

[arctic talon]

I don’t like 30k

[opaque coyote]

IK the Imperium doesn't have all the galaxy in its srea

[arctic talon]

As much as 40k

[normal stream]

(I know, I was pulling your leg lmao)

[opaque coyote]

But like

[arctic talon]

I’m aware it’s funny to act like I don’t though

Idk 1 million marines is generally fine imo

They only show up in the real shitholes

[normal stream]

yeah no one talks about the tens of millions of guardsmen just fighting and dying over some pointless rock

(Unless it's kriegers, then everyone has a hard dick)

[arctic talon]

Tbf forgeworld did make them dying over planet shithole into a pretty cool campaign book

[normal stream]

yeah lol

FW generally did a good job

Badab War was well-fleshed out

My dear Elysians getting yeeted and then dying to a man because reinforcements couldn't link up is also very realistic lmao

(coincidentally also how most of my elysian games went)

[arctic talon]

[normal stream]

You can't deny that the FW books were generally written more fairly/balanced-ly than the codexes which are written to show that faction only in the best light possible

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[jade holly]

I’m done

The first draft of it

Gotta get feedback and make revisions ya know

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

I know Noise Marines (lore-wise at least)

usually just play incredibly loud and piercing noise

because the sheer feeling of noise is their pleasure

But I wonder if there is any of them that just play like

outright rock songs or something

Like they're a band.

And the songs they play are considered to be

Killer.

Like if you're in close proximity your head fucking explodes due to the sheer noise

but if you're far away, you actually hear a song.

And because Chaos

it basically hypnotizes anybody who hears it to come closer

in which their heads explode due to the sheer volume

[shadow plover]

yes

original noise marines were in a band of sorts

and:

[opaque coyote]

Fucking sick

[shadow plover]

quite

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine the band right now

One Noise Marine Guitarist

One Noise Marine on the drums

A Daemonette and a Noise Marine as the singer/"duet"

(Noise Marine being the masculine voice, Daemonette being the feminine)

[young pecan]

The little bolter underbarrel 😭

[spring cairn]

good luck aiming that shit

[outer wave]

I dont think they're supposed to have good aim with it

[spring cairn]

little to no ammo in the mag

impossible to aim

immersion broken

I'm starting to think 40k isn't realistic

[outer wave]

😔

Damn he cracked the code....

[shadow plover]

think I'm gonna be sick...

[outer wave]

He understands the truth now...

[normal stream]

This should be more accurately space marines on the right

[shell mason]

Not gonna lie

Noise marine going against Necron feels unlikely to me

[shadow plover]

it's canon art

[dusk patrol]

It’s a big galaxy

[green loom]

Wherefrom btw

[shadow plover]

The chaos MTG deck

[green loom]

Oooo

It looks like an artist I recognize

Oh actually

[shell mason]

Didn't a SM that became deaf mocked a NM before blast his fucking head off

matter of fact

[green loom]

'm pretty sure that's Johan Grenier

[shell mason]

It was the first Noise Marine

[shadow plover]

yeah it's Johan

[green loom]

Figured

[shadow plover]

he did the Abaddon art for the deck as well

[shell mason]

anyway

[green loom]

How he does this like gold and stuff is my giveaway for him lol

[shell mason]

I'm bored as hell and want to draw

so can someone give me a character or something?

[dusk patrol]

Kinda, so the noise marine’s weapon had been fucked up before hand

So he was just shouting using his voice

[green loom]

Oh crap I never realized the white dwarf he did was traditional

What a madlad

[normal stream]

Draw an ogryn noise marine

do it

[dusk patrol]

The marine was an Iron Hand deafened on Istvaan V and in cataphractii

[shell mason]

what would that even

[dusk patrol]

Anyways yeah it doesn’t stun him like it does the others and he manages to blast him

[shadow plover]

yeah I almost ordered a copy of that but the price with the taxes was just too much so I passed on it

[normal stream]

Grombrindal!

[shell mason]

mood

[green loom]

Insanity ngl

I love art

"early sketches"

Envy is quite real

[normal stream]

That is THE White Dwarf

As in, the White Dwarf that the magazine is named after

[green loom]

Ye ik

[shell mason]

I want to get as good as I was a few years ago

[shadow plover]

it was the cover art for the 500th issue

[green loom]

Wish I was that good

[shell mason]

Was on some shit back then

[spare osprey]

You takin homebrews? lol

[shell mason]

I'm down

[spare osprey]

I’ll just throw my guy Tyr at ya.

See how much “fun” you have with that

[shell mason]

legion?

[spare osprey]

Dark angels, he’s an OG Terran

He’s a fallen nowadays

[normal stream]

True loyalist

[opaque coyote]

The Great Rift is combing with the Eye of Terror, Abaddon is speeding towards Terra, and forces are quickly being depleted.

Kaldor Draigo, now free from the hands of the four, goes through several doors. Each more secure and protected than the last. All made out of Auramite

Until he finally arrives at the room. A small box on top of a simple metal table.

The Terminus Decree.

He opens it, and he only sees one creature.

A snail.

Along with a note.

[green loom]

"I'm the 40k plot"

[opaque coyote]

"Place it near the throne."

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-damn-right-right-thats-right-wwe-gif-16940411505488048178

[shell mason]

Bet

[rose thorn]

i was thinking about how like, black characters in comics always have ligthning powers

then i was like 'well at least nothing in warhammer woudl full into that stereotype'

and

THE MAIN

STORMCAST CHARACTER

AAAAAAA

i am a fool

[queen laurel]

Damn it mags you just had to remind me

[lapis verge]

Seems on brand

It is GW after all

[arctic talon]

Is the main stormcast dude not the uh

1e guy?

Or did they move on from him

[carmine harness]

Celestant Prime? Hes more of a figurehead/diety of Sigmar

[arctic talon]

Nah not the celestant prime

The dude from the really old starter box

[jade holly]

On one hand, it’s a stereotype

On the other, that dude looks fucking sick and badass

[tough haven]

Me too

Damn I love Severed by Nate Crowley, easily tied for my favorite necrons book

Just read it again

[gray umbra]

https://youtu.be/esTpliFBQ6E?si=ForYANvO5S2U_DpF

[vast crystal]

Why even is that a thing

[celest dome]

Comics needing contrast iirc

So having darker characters have power that are white give great contrast

[vast crystal]

That sounds like a skill issue and or excuse

[storm jungle]

its reality

https://tenor.com/view/erick-black-and-proud-gif-16106650953632374865

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/now-low-tier-god-low-tier-god-gif-25789354

[queen laurel]

to honest though a good chunk of them are very cool

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why i dont see any issues with it

https://tenor.com/view/super-hero-gif-20758331

Example A

[storm jungle]

YEEEEEE

i didnt even think of Storm or Miles, those are great examples

[queen laurel]

And to even further make them cool there are plenty of superheroes that even though they are black and don't have electric powers they are pretty cool

Examples being bulletproof and Cyborg

[storm jungle]

Yeah Luke and Cyborg's powers are different but they are still great.

i think white superhero characters deffo suffer more from "yall literally have the same power"

[queen laurel]

yeah

like it's some variation of either shooting a laser or something

[storm jungle]

LOL

Damn thats harsh

but not wrong alas

[celest dome]

White super hero suffer from them having to many.
So it end up with similar heroes none the less

[misty vector]

Cyborg really confuses me

Is he in teen titans or the justice league? Are there two?

[storm jungle]

Nah he just changes positions depending on the comic/universe.

the usual progression is the Teen Titans start as... well teens, then once they grow up they usually just disband and go their own ways, with their own line of work they already come across each other as regularly as is so they dont usually see a downside to it.

[celest dome]

Robin ans Cyborg seem to be the one that work with the JL thr most often isn't it ?

[storm jungle]

BASED SIGMARITE

[storm jungle]

It depends, in most iterations hes an adult

so that tends to be the direction they go for

[shell mason]

[shell mason]

done

[vast crystal]

Capeshit writing in general tends to be piss poor

So hard disagree

[lapis verge]

Kind of.

He is in the TT as a teen, once he grew up he kinda is a permanent member of the JL

Considering blud is the damn reason the JL space station functions at all

[storm jungle]

It has as many good as bads, dont exaggerate so much.

[green loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/332324450248949771/1289197814185988167/3dgifmaker06553.gif

[small grail]

joker 2 was a disaster

[storm jungle]

the Jonkler is no more

[vast crystal]

I'm not exaggerating shit

It's all slop

[storm jungle]

There's about as many good superhero media stuff as bad ones.

So yeah, stop exaggerating.

[vast crystal]

Well 99% of it is slop

[storm jungle]

Welcome to consumerism.

you must be new here

[vast crystal]

The literal only reason people like capeshit

[storm jungle]

Okay.

btu yeah get over it

[forest orbit]

Superhero media has a lot of good stuff i like

not everything is MCU garbage

lol

[queen laurel]

what are you Garth Ennis?

[forest orbit]

LMAO

[queen laurel]

it's just entertainment media get over it

[forest orbit]

damn thats a good one

[vast crystal]

The boys creator?

[forest orbit]

Thats him

[queen laurel]

yeah the guy that hates superheroes so much

[forest orbit]

if you hate superhero media that much you'll end up like him

aka an edgy incel no one likes

[storm jungle]

Guy's such a piece of shit too

[forest orbit]

100%

hate him

[vast crystal]

Unlike him. My hatred basically extends to most all pop culture with the soul exception of warhammer. Sept i try to not make it my entire personality

[forest orbit]

Uh, what

[vast crystal]

I just saw a chance to express my distane

And took it

[forest orbit]

okay

good job i guess

[vast crystal]

Well. The internet is that chance because I'm not constantly screaming about how much I hate superheros irl

[queen laurel]

you just literally replied to my message made to have fun talking about superheroes and reply with something negative you sound like someone who has a Twitter account that complaints 24/7, and you sound like someone who can't have fun

[vast crystal]

Could you elaborate

[forest orbit]

Theres literally nothing to elaborate.

it says itself

[vast crystal]

Fun is a buzzword for when you can't actually describe what you like about something

[forest orbit]

Buzzword???

[queen laurel]

of course you think it's a buzzword

[forest orbit]

yeah that is um

[vast crystal]

I don't understand why people take issue with a statement that tame

[forest orbit]

Its not that its tame its more that its exaggerated as dil said and kinda dumb.

its like walking to a mall and shouting "MONEY SUCKS"

you very much say something people are gonna disagree with you on then throw a weird rant about it

[rose thorn]

Also because the first black super hero has lighting powers

[forest orbit]

wait really

who

[rose thorn]

He is dead

[forest orbit]

wasnt Black Panther the first black superhero in american comic books

[rose thorn]

Black lighting

[forest orbit]

Lmao nooooo

that name 💀

[queen laurel]

yeah

[forest orbit]

yeah ill stick to T'challa thanks

[vast crystal]

It's just brainrot that lowers people's standards man. Get over it!

[forest orbit]

You can literally say this to any form of media

[rose thorn]

Was he black?

[queen laurel]

and so people can't have fun is what you're saying?

[forest orbit]

Y-

YES?

HES LITERALLY FROM WAKANDA/AFRICA

😭

[rose thorn]

I thought the first black panther was a white guy

[forest orbit]

LMAO

MAGGIE NO, WHAT THE HELL

[rose thorn]

I might be mixing it up with a different character

[vast crystal]

If that's how you wanna interpret it i guess

[queen laurel]

yes

[forest orbit]

im 99% sure T'challa was the first black superhero at least in mainstream media

its at least what google says

[queen laurel]

you are one sad person if you think having fun is brainrot

[queen laurel]

yeah seems to be the first one

[vast crystal]

Maybe good art should be meaningful instead of just triggering serotonin release

[small grail]

no one likes him

[vast crystal]

Just a thought

[vast crystal]

Nether do i

[forest orbit]

Art is varied.

[queen laurel]

Maybe everyone is different than you and not everything revolves around your views

[forest orbit]

not everything can be golden lol

[queen laurel]

ever thought of it that way?

[rose thorn]

Oh I know who I was thinking of

I was thinking of Falcon

[queen laurel]

yeah he's not the first i'm sure

[small grail]

yea

[queen laurel]

it's black panther

[forest orbit]

yeah its panther

[queen laurel]

like 99% sure

[small grail]

RIP chad boseman

[forest orbit]

RIP to a real one

[small grail]

good man

[rose thorn]

Yeah but I was thinking that BP was white at first, but it was falcon

[forest orbit]

yeah Falcon was it, now i realised lol

[rose thorn]

Wait never mind he was still black

[small grail]

how wud yall react if there was a deadpool like space marine

like has deadpools mannerisms

[queen laurel]

Don't care if GW make something like that i wouldn't be surprised

[small grail]

but wud it fit

[rose thorn]

Oh well

[vast crystal]

I would hate it

[rose thorn]

Anyway I had a terrible idea to make an all ratling guard army

[small grail]

just like imagine when he gets shot hes like "AW DICKBUISCITS"

[forest orbit]

id rather die thanks

[vast crystal]

That kind of shit doesn't belong in warhammer

[rose thorn]

Ratlings on tanks

Ratlings in coats

Ratlings on foot

[queen laurel]

yeah that sounds fun but trusting everyone there is not gonna go well let's be honest

because well they have a notorious reputation of stealing

[small grail]

feel like an ork wud fit that characterisitic

a fan made one

[vast crystal]

tbf the orks break the tone anyway

[queen laurel]

no orks are too proud and ego headed to serve the imperium

[rose thorn]

“The 15th regiment of the Rolanda Rats”

[queen laurel]

they think that only other orks should lead

[small grail]

no i mean the deadpool personality

[queen laurel]

eh most of the time their personalities are too brutal and that guy would just be considered a mad boy and move on with life

[rose thorn]

“Thier planet is all ratlings, so we didn’t really have be a choice”

[small grail]

how tf did cadia fall

was it like a guardsmans hub centre

wasnt*

[vast crystal]

Especially strong warp storm

[rose thorn]

[small grail]

accurate

theres a chapter dont know if its fan made or real but theyre called the phoenixes or smthin

[vast crystal]

Because GW needed a darkest hour for the primaris to save the imperium from

[small grail]

are they still a thing

[vast crystal]

So they could sell bigger space marine toys

[small grail]

theyre whole bodies were always on fire

are they old lore? or fan made

[rose thorn]

They weren’t involved

[vast crystal]

Legion of the damed?

[rose thorn]

Flame falcons or was it the fire hawks?

I forgot

[small grail]

flame falcxon ye

[queen laurel]

Fire hawks yes

[small grail]

were they canon

[rose thorn]

Yeha they died in the warp

And became ghost riders

[small grail]

arent some still alive

theyre loyalists i believe?

[rose thorn]

Only their ghost rider counter part

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Legion of the Damned is canon

[rose thorn]

Their flame falcons, who got mixed up with them all the time, are also still kicking

A book got them mixed up too

[small grail]

fell kinda bad that they faced grey knights thinking theyre fire was a blessing

emperors blessing

got absolutely shit on

[rose thorn]

Wait what

[small grail]

what?

[rose thorn]

The flame falcons have the backstory of the fire hawks

OH IM DUMB

Okay so

It’s either the flame falcons OR the fire hawks that LoD

Fire hawks disappeared in the warp by accident

Flame falcons had a tendency to explode

[small grail]

i read somewhere where when they first combusated they thought it was the emperors gift or whatever once they came back from a mission they were greeted by grey knights and....we all know how that wud go

[rose thorn]

Flame falcons were hunted down and they ran away to the warp

[small grail]

grey knights were huntin em i think

[rose thorn]

Anyway rip the chapter with the best color scheme

[small grail]

yea dude

[small grail]

the phoenix thing is dope

[rose thorn]

From the better version of the horus heresy

Rip

[small grail]

mhm

theyre like a darker imperial fist

[rose thorn]

The badab war is actually good

Unlike HH which had like 6 good books total

[small grail]

was the Baal saga a good book?

[rose thorn]

The badab war’s lore in a thing called the imperial armour

[small grail]

id honstly shit myself if the blood angel next to me just looks at me and calls me horus

[rose thorn]

Which was like, a book of special units with rules

And had a campaign

And every single chapter had a reason to attack the other

[small grail]

does the black rage have any buffs?

like does it make the blood angels faster stronger or durable?

[rose thorn]

They go insane so yes

[shell mason]

you literally see everyone as Horus, so basically you its a boost in everything

debuff in mental faculties tho

[small grail]

makes em vampiric right

[shell mason]

yes

[small grail]

rough

[shell mason]

we have space vamp and space werewolfs

[small grail]

but i mean killing by far one of the most kindest primarchs tjhe rage is reasonable

[lapis verge]

Yes but the Red Thirst and Black Rage are different no?

The "going insane" part is the Black Rage

[shell mason]

yes

[lapis verge]

The Red Thirst is just them casually drinking Kool Aid

[shell mason]

Red thirst is the requirement for blood

[small grail]

thats the fucked up part

[shell mason]

The Black rage is going insane

they usually have it controlled tho

as in having tithes from the people

[small grail]

strongest human iveseen in 40k by far has gotta be yarrick

[lapis verge]

At least it's just blood

Not whatever that one Successor was doing with eating their fallen Battle Brothers

[small grail]

they have done that

i think

[lapis verge]

IIRC Blood Angels only usually resort to drinking blood

They don't actively cannibalize their own, at elast if they can help it

[shell mason]

Some blood angel massacre a whole site full of refugees for blood

which was and still is a big nono

[small grail]

as good as cannabalism imma be real

[small grail]

what if they do in the future

scary stuff

[shell mason]

Cannibal is still seen as a big nono by the imperium

so most likely death

[small grail]

surprised they havent been approached by grey knights

cuz i feel like cannibalism wud be heresy

[shell mason]

The grey knights are used for more daemonic things

Hell the grey knights are supposed to be secret

[small grail]

they are strongf af dude

[lapis verge]

Oh look I found the cannibal Space Marines

[shell mason]

if you know of them, your getting your mind wiped or the walls will have a fresh coat of paint dude

[lapis verge]

It's a Salamanders Successor Chapter

[small grail]

yea this is what i was talkin about

[shell mason]

mood

[small grail]

irony is mad

[lapis verge]

Tbf they took their sweet ass time rediscovering them

That same amount of time being left alone is the reason Lorgar became a glorified Jehova's Witness

[small grail]

lorgar and angron gotta be the siblings who throw a tantrum when they dont get what they want

[lapis verge]

Ngl it do be kinda badass thoe

Shame we barely get anything Salamanders in media, let alone their Successors being featured

[small grail]

ok leve angron i mean hes messed up but loorgar

[small grail]

salamanders are real gigachads

[shell mason]

I mean the butcher nails put in work on Angrons brain

[small grail]

leaving angron i mean hes a piece of work

[lapis verge]

Tbh both are justified

Angron wanted to die and get the sweet release of death in glorious battle, and Big E didnt even let him have that cuz "MUH TOOL"

Lorgar had a devotion level of 220% believing that Big E was the truth and prepared to do everything in his name, yet Big E rebuffed and destroyed his life work cause he was too slow and "MUH ATHEISM"

ffs this is why I main Chaos

[small grail]

chaos is just diofferent

built and mentally

[lapis verge]

fr fr

Better become a Chaos Spawn than ending up as corpse starch all in the name of a dessicated hypocrite

[small grail]

(in the name of all father of diseases, the father and creator of the discord mods and the purest definition of never touching a woman,,,,,NURGLE I GIV MY SOUL TO YOUU) basically what chaos servants worship like

[small grail]

tahts some self reflection right there

[tough haven]

Big E could simply just say “wow buddy, that’s really cool! It’s really nice how much you care about me, but you know how I feel about the G word”

[small grail]

gay?

[tough haven]

And things would have probably turned out much differently

[small grail]

the fucks the G word

[tough haven]

God

He doesn’t like being called a god

[small grail]

oh damn i messed up bad

calling the emperor gay is valid tho

yall wudnt know what he did witth malcador in his me time

[tough haven]

Also bro could have just waited to pick up Angron, or hell, just offered to help instead of being the strange man who just teleported you onto his ship at your greatest moment

Or he could have teleported all his men with him

[small grail]

there can only be one primarch

[tough haven]

But HH is a tragedy

[small grail]

true

[tough haven]

They’re meant to be stupid

[small grail]

kinda respect erda for splitting them so that they never got to face war at that tender age

[tough haven]

Yeah but big E could have been like “I see how much your brothers in arms matter to you, and I want to earn your trust, so here, I’ll rescue them from the gladiator pit and I’ll drop them off at the nearest space bus stop”

[small grail]

i retract my statement cuz i forgot that alpharius and omegon are two primarchs of the same chapter

but the thousand sons are just a rabbit hole i dont wanna go down

literally all of em thought they werew alpharius or omagon

annoying shit

[tough haven]

You mean alpha legion?

[small grail]

yea sorry

[tough haven]

Thousand sons are shadow wizard money gang

[small grail]

my bad

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-shadow-wizard-money-gang-casting-spells-we-love-casting-spells-gif-13248176114891128394

[vagrant fox]

Didn't the Blood Angels do this as the Revenant Legion before Sanguinius gave them a stern I'm not mad I'm just disappointed talking to?

[small grail]

refugees

i believe

[lapis verge]

Mate could've done what he did with the AdMech and spun it in a way where Lorgar is still a zealot but instead he modifies it a bit so it is acceptable for all parties

Instead Big E decides to nuke a city all to teach him a lesson or smth

[lapis verge]

legalize nuclear war Psyker rights

[carmine harness]

One of Big Es biggest failures was not fully informing atleast Magnus of all people of the true nature of the warp

[jade canopy]

Trazyn is my favorite character now

[tough haven]

Im a staunch Nemesor Zandrekh fan

[lapis verge]

Blud expects his sons to reject smth they dont even know exists

Thats the equivalent of teaching your dog to bite thieves without knowing what a thief is

And ends up biting the local cop

[queen laurel]

oh hey you found the charming kleptomaniac robot

[jade canopy]

He's such a gremlin and I love him

[queen laurel]

i mean yeah he is Goated

[lapis verge]

Honestly all the Necron higher ups are based as fuck

[tough haven]

He's effectively a necron rogue trader but more chaotic

[jade canopy]

"You can't steal from the dead"
"I can, it's called archeology"

I love this robot boi

[jade holly]

Are there any Necrons who are just chill to hang out with?

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/ZUAh_fvnPLs?si=8CVWuUrZmKEAjO-f

I love this song lol

[tough haven]

As a human? probably Zandrekh or maybe trazyn if you get mindshackled

[jade holly]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fpSw3gwdF5c&si=cjPXcFY0ycMZNVdt

This one is better

[tough haven]

I just like orkish metal

[jade holly]

You hear the ost for Shootas, Blood and Teef?

[tough haven]

its one of my favorites

underrated

[jade holly]

I just find it hilarious that the song Shootas, Blood and Teef has nearly be exact same riff and tempo as Ace of Spades

By Motörhead

[vagrant fox]

Big E definitely warned Magnus if you go by the 'A Thousand Sons' novel

[green loom]

Magnus would've ignored it r egardless

That's kinda his thing

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-wonka-willy-suspense-the-gif-18360514

[shell mason]

sorry was taking a nap

[spare osprey]

lol no worries

[winter vessel]

Man. Some players were expecting so much about the Bio Titan that came along with SM2’s recent update. One guy said he wanted to see the Hierophant duke it out with a Warhound Class Titan.

[spare osprey]

Damn ok

[storm jungle]

LOL

[spare osprey]

Idk the mission was fun, I mean who doesn’t love being burned alive by gloop

[storm jungle]

but yeah I mean its literally a walking scene entity setpiece

idk why 40k fans expect so much from this stuff and forget games have things like uh

you know, budget

[winter vessel]

even then Mechanicus ain’t gonna waste shit on something like that. But also, I think he was confusing it with an Imperator class because he described it as being massive it can surpass a Hive city wall and has the “cathedral on it”

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

Imperators are not that big lol

again 40k fans moment

[winter vessel]

I Gave him the unamused SpongeBob expression face when I read that

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

‘Sides that, I did like this new operation we got, even if it’s only one, reminded me of my Destiny Raiding days except you don’t want to hang yourself with the Ethernet cord connecting to your console, after getting insomnia from wasting hours on a single session

[shell mason]

#darktide-fan-art

[normal stream]

or like, "practicality"

[normal stream]

He's probably thinking about this cover art:

Or the scene in Storm of Iron where titans use their siege ramps to unload Iron Warriors onto the citadel's walls

[opaque coyote]

by TazMar

Е - еретики = H - heretics

[storm jungle]

I love when people use that art has proof then realise the Imperator barely even goes past some spires and buildings on it.

[normal stream]

Also, news flash at 20: buildings can vary in height!

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I was too busy staring at the cover art

[normal stream]

I do love some of the HH art though

It's subtly less grimdark, which is a nice change

[storm jungle]

Yeah like the Imperator is about the lower half of the Empire States building then people say "thats not big enough"

and im like

Have you ever stood even next to a normal apartment building of 7 floors

[normal stream]

[storm jungle]

Yeah people just got no sense of how big even normal buildings are

[normal stream]

you're assuming they've left their parents' basement

[storm jungle]

LOL

DAMN

[normal stream]

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I just fucking love this coverart in general

[normal stream]

It's great! Do we know who did it?

[opaque coyote]

Y'know how back in the 1920's, people waved goodbye to cruise ships and shit?

Feels like that

[normal stream]

except that they're waving goodbye to themselves

[opaque coyote]

lmao

[winter vessel]

misunderstanding the scaling of objects is a common occurrence in the universe of 40k. but yeah, they're not really all that big when you put it in perspective.

[opaque coyote]

also the brighter colors

most 40k artwork in general is dark and grungy

which tbf fits 40k

but I like how it's brightly colored, with cool shadows to contrast

[storm jungle]

Niel Roberts, he does every single 30k book cover art

you can tell from like

the almost toy-esque texture/environment

[opaque coyote]

need to find more of his artwork god damn

[storm jungle]

Google it, he has a shit ton of stuff

[normal stream]

Wait, he's done every single one?!

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[normal stream]

Man signed on for 10 books and now has payday for at least a decade

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly lol

i wouldnt complain either if it was him, easy money

[opaque coyote]

Master of Mankind

[winter vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745324840097153167/1297267763882233886/UFFSr35.webp?ex=67154e40&is=6713fcc0&hm=e70110ba275392cf4219d433ca04870d6d41baf5533afd7193415f32ae204670&=&format=webp&width=760&height=574 also this image makes a good meme of 5'4 vs 5'8 height

[opaque coyote]

Niel Roberts made this back in 2008, for "Mechanicum"

"I got to indulge my epic scale dreams a bit in this piece – throwing in an Imperial Termite here and a Colossus robot there. I had such a great time rifling through my old Citadel catalogues."

That tech priest is packing god damn

[leaden pilot]

I feel like humans in general have a terrible sense of scale, especially without seeing something in person and only relying on number

[storm jungle]

This is very much a fact yeah

i had to sit through a small seminar of it when i was in my architecture university years

our tutor wasted no energy belittling people like that too

[dusk patrol]

People don't even realize how insanely big a 7-8 foot person would be let alone how broad they'd be.

Now make that a 20 foot tall mech. Now do a 70 meter tall giant mech.

Most people have probably never even met a 7 foot tall person let alone one whose not super lanky, which is understandable since they're not common and ones who are built even less so.

[storm jungle]

Yeah hence my 8 floor apartment example earlier. When you look at something on a draft or picture you got no idea how big even the most simple structures get.

like people thinking a Warhound being as tall as the foot of the Statue of Liberty is "small" prob never stood next to the actual thing itself lol

[dusk patrol]

Also considering how fast they can book it and turn and shit.

I feel like people miss how insane this stuff would look in motion.

Even SM2 has to seriously slow down marines going in full locomotion largely because its a game with balance choices and movement which is hard to track isn't very engaging to watch or play.

Knights are similarly crazy with how fast they move and do things.

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt really say "seriously slow down", Death of Hope even unofficial kinda showed how goofy and bad matrix-agent tier marine motions would look to your usual audience, the SM2 marines are pretty Astartes™️ animation wise which is better, them being superhumanly fast has always been shoddy/wank at best, same with Knights/Titans.

They should move quick but when you read so many passages of "not even mortal eyes could track them" it gets a bit silly

[forest orbit]

the Astartes animation is how I always wanted marines to move so i kinda agree

i always hated the dumbass Flash-tier superspeed shit some authors have to constantly mention

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer40k-astartes-astartes-running-gif-17108806

like this is much better and more intimidating

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats my take as well, it just looks better compared to uh

https://tenor.com/view/agent-smith-dodging-nope-matrix-dodge-gif-11862988

[forest orbit]

KEK

[storm jungle]

Im not against them having superhuman reflexes tho FYI its more just the constant mention of their High Noon-ass abilities lol

[forest orbit]

Yeah thats fair

them being lumbering is much better

[leaden pilot]

To me space marines will always be just walking fridges

[forest orbit]

Thats how they should be ye

[dusk patrol]

Based off numerous book descriptions and lore on their ability to haul ass or move fast I would definitely say they are, we see them casually sprint 60mph in some appearances, and fight in close quarters at speeds that are difficult to track.

Which is largely because its a game and its hard to make something that fast looking and also keep the weight going, as well as you need to balance it, but they can definitely attack much more rapidly or run much faster than we see in the game. Which is fine, but its defintiely the case.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-arise-dog-pooch-car-window-gif-14577515

[dusk patrol]

They're always described as looking lumbering until they start moving and then they're bizarrely fast.

[storm jungle]

Yeah so its goofy.

[forest orbit]

That was the point yes lol

its much better when they are lumbering but still being fast

[storm jungle]

Ye

[forest orbit]

its just to make them more cooler to the reader tho which is fine

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always thought that Space Marines would occasionally do some anime shit like running on walls

[forest orbit]

Fuck no lol

[dusk patrol]

Extreme speed is always hard to show in media because we as people need to be able to track it

[winter vessel]

The speed of an Astartes is the equivalent of a High School coach who looks big and slow, but can sprint in a snap when they see you acting like an ass

[forest orbit]

get that shit outta here

[opaque coyote]

Nah

[forest orbit]

Yah

https://tenor.com/view/pushsupreme-mongoliamode-mongolia-supreme-mongolian-gif-25189013

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though

I always thought it terrifying to imagine them just

[forest orbit]

That is also a very apt comparison

Probably gonna use that in the future

[dusk patrol]

Especially if you're making a more realistic media.

[opaque coyote]

Like imagine running away from an SM.

And then they just standard there

And then they suddenly do the most advanced parkour

[forest orbit]

That is also goofy

[opaque coyote]

Just to catch up to you

[forest orbit]

just make them run and bust through walls

[dusk patrol]

They don't really need to do that though, they go through stuff more than over.

[forest orbit]

Marines making parkour is like

such a dumb image

i hate it

unless its a Riever

or a scout lol

[dusk patrol]

They climb stuff by litterally just slamming their hand into it to make handholds and that kinda thing.

[forest orbit]

Where is that juggernaut clip

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-gotta-go-gif-14663021

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think it's mostly a mixture of both

[forest orbit]

wait it was hulk nvm

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-pryde-xmen-shadowcat-juggernaut-gif-13588119

[forest orbit]

yeah that lol

[winter vessel]

The Reivers in question. https://youtu.be/0Kvw2BPKjz0?si=Uq1outpXw8lbWtcn

[opaque coyote]

Like if it's a weak wall, they'll just bust through it like this

But for some harder walls/obstacles. They'll parkour

[forest orbit]

"weak wall"

do you know like

how tough power armor is

[opaque coyote]

Relatively

[forest orbit]

[opaque coyote]

Weak

[dusk patrol]

So like, the thing is Parkour is inherenty kinda extra

Theyd just climb it, they don't need to wall run.

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines are a bit extra in general tbh

[dusk patrol]

They can littlerally just make hand holds by smashing their fingers into the wall.

This is Mortarion on Barabus but similar idea, we see marines do stuff like this a lot.

[opaque coyote]

He would've looked cooler if he kept that fit tbh

[dusk patrol]

Just climbing sheer cliffs or walls because they have the strength

[opaque coyote]

Imagine them just climbing extremely fast

Like it's in such quick succession

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-bear-blackbear-climbing-wildlife-gif-14732340

They probably can tbh.

If you're that strong climbing up something fast really isn't that hard, mostly our issue as humans is we lack the core and upper body strength.

Speed climbers can scale up stuff fast as fuck too.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah like

On top you just hear the sound of rocks breaking (due to them jabbing their fingers in) as the SM climbs in quick succession.

[forest orbit]

The problem largely comes from their weight

some books do acknowledge Marines cant even walk on buildings with basements or weak materials

[dusk patrol]

Being a marine removes a lot of the potential isssues speed climbers would have.

Can make your own hand holds

[forest orbit]

shotout to that one dude in termie armor who fell into the basement

🗣️

[winter vessel]

It was like something straight out of a sitcom when I read that portion of text

[spring cairn]

it would be quite effective to dig traps with a cover that only tolerates a certain weight so humans can pass but marines fall right thru

[opaque coyote]

How to make an anti SM fortress

Step one. Have most of the hallways be human sized.

Step two, have the floors be made out of wood

[forest orbit]

You joke but thats pretty feasible

as long as you got weapons that can melt ceramite you might 1-2 with that tactic