40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

they look cool in artwork/games imo

[queen laurel]

It's powered by the souls of the dead or some s***

[winter vessel]

Looks like an Nintendo Amiibo

[arctic talon]

They also honestly probably need a new statblock

they're kind of huge lol

[storm jungle]

My reaction to this information

[queen laurel]

I am going insane

[storm jungle]

its so adorable

lmfao

the modellers really thought they were cooking 💀

[queen laurel]

No it reminds me of another thing that is red and has a visor

[fallen plaza]

Not as much as the space wolves vehicle

[storm jungle]

Equally worse tbh

[arctic talon]

I don't think the flyer is ugly

It looks silly though

fuckin brick

[storm jungle]

its a toy basically yeah

well toy-toy

[hallow plover]

Which one?

[arctic talon]

The one with the snoot

I'm assuming

[fallen plaza]

The stormtalon gunship is also another bad one

[queen laurel]

Oh oh yeah picklara what are the most common established faction rivalries in warhammer fantasy besides human chaos dark elf high elf

I would also put dwarf green skin in this category but they can honestly also be a toss up with the skaven

[storm jungle]

Yeah like its the peak example of how not to space marine miniatures.

[fallen plaza]

Although i saw someone gave it legs and remove its wings

[storm jungle]

it literally feels like a thunderhawk that got put into a compactor

[fallen plaza]

That one was genuinely an amazing kitbash

[hallow plover]

I'm looking through space marines models on GWs website and god it's depressing

[arctic talon]

I think a lot of marine stuff is fine but also Desolaters exist lol

[arctic talon]

oh thats cool

[hallow plover]

I just mean, it's all blue boys

[arctic talon]

I mean

yeah???

they're the box art scheme

GW does that with every faction

[queen laurel]

Do they still do that crap where you can use a subfaction specialty when space marines because they have so many god damn units and stuff

[hallow plover]

I know. I think they could show off a few schemes that's all

[arctic talon]

no, subfactions are gone generally

detachments replaced them

[storm jungle]

Still puke inducing

[queen laurel]

Same with the ork system right

[arctic talon]

yes those were subfactions

[queen laurel]

Good

[arctic talon]

idk I could complain about all the speedfreak minis being goffs

lol

[queen laurel]

Honestly some load of baloney if i'm going to be honest

I would rather be the clans just be reduced to paint schemes

Yes a bit shame you can't play the clan specific stuff but you know

[arctic talon]

I mean

just flavor it

Subfactions didn't exist for most of 40k history lol

they only came around in the way we know it in 6e

[queen laurel]

How about i flavor you with salt and pepper and roast you in a fire

[arctic talon]

idk

[queen laurel]

When was the rule removed anyway

[arctic talon]

I think Ghaz making Goffs be the best Kulture always was stupid lol

[arctic talon]

10e

[queen laurel]

Oh so it's quite latest

[arctic talon]

Subfactions only really exist for marines bcs of how many fucking characters there are

but its more of a

you can't run Dante + deathwing knights

[queen laurel]

Isn't his entire shctick literally bringing together every single orks

[arctic talon]

or you can't run Lion + guilliman in the same army

ect.

[arctic talon]

Except he had a rule called GOFFS IZ BEST

which gave a huge buff to Goffs lol

[queen laurel]

Man that is dumb

[queen laurel]

Basically making them into armored giant battering rams right

[arctic talon]

So you had 0 incentive to run anything but goffs

[queen laurel]

Imagine that with the bully boys rule

That's going to be f****** hilarious

[arctic talon]

either way subfactions were generally

ehhh

[queen laurel]

Yeah didn't like them

[arctic talon]

I do miss the split between relics and WLTs and there being a central pool

but w/e

that isn't a subfactions thing

[queen laurel]

God damn it black library has very little beginner friendly books for aos

[arctic talon]

Yeah

what being a new setting

well

Newest setting does

[queen laurel]

It has been out by a good amount of time right

[arctic talon]

yeah

but still less time to write stuff

[arctic talon]

more of a just beating them to death

[queen laurel]

Holy crap the Bully Boys rules are going to make this thing overkill for a poor motherfucker who is going to be in the receiving end of this stuff

Thank goodness they remove that

[arctic talon]

tbf

Ghaz is still fucking insane

its just no longer mandatory to run Goffs lol

[queen laurel]

To be faired he is the biggest ork in the galaxy right now

And he is approaching the size of the beast

And hey he is very smart so of course he would be a monster

But i think he's not that broken compared to like other heroes right

He's good but there are things that's going to put him down

[arctic talon]

Ghaz is like

really strong lol

bro absolutely shits on most characters

[queen laurel]

Compared to other leaders on average rolls?

[arctic talon]

and thats without the WAAAAAAAAGH! buff

[hallow plover]

Ghaz is 10m tall?

[arctic talon]

he beats any non primarch/non abbadon that isn't a monster

[queen laurel]

Shit

[arctic talon]

He loses to shit like Greater daemons

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's double the height of an ogryn

[arctic talon]

especially ones like Skarbrand

or just generic bloodthirster

[queen laurel]

So it literally takes a super unit to even humble him

[hallow plover]

https://preview.redd.it/v550412zkol41.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=968beec23b7da14a3fa375ac647318581aeaeec7

[arctic talon]

Shalaxi also makes a mess of him but I think she's the single strongest named character in terms of raw murder

[hallow plover]

He is a big boy indeed

[arctic talon]

Shalaxi can one turn kill pretty much anything

assuming you roll decently

[arctic talon]

not really

Meganobz aren't great bodyguards generally

I mean they're good don't get me wrong

but they got issues

[queen laurel]

I don't like using models to really measure height

[hallow plover]

Too inconsistent?

[queen laurel]

Yeah

Could work

But i would separate the table top from a lore perspective

[hallow plover]

Youre right

[arctic talon]

I think this is good for a general comparison

thats a space marine helmet by his feet

[queen laurel]

Yeah bare minimum he is 20 ft at least

Because that giant hand of his can crush a space marine

Like a soda can

[hallow plover]

They're really lining him up to be the next beast

He'll get there within the next 15 years

[arctic talon]

I think GW wants everyone to forget about The Beast

and that horrid book series

[hallow plover]

[arctic talon]

another size comparison

I think thats a boxnaut next to him?

[hallow plover]

Vulkan and the beast what a cursed combo

[queen laurel]

It is

[arctic talon]

Not even that just everything about it is bad lol

its fine in theory

and then everything is just dogshit

[hallow plover]

Holy fuck Cawl is huge

[arctic talon]

yeah Cawl is

[arctic talon]

kind of horrifying lol

Bro literally scuttles around like a fucking centipiede

and can climb up walls lol

[hallow plover]

Also valdor is primarch sized?

I thought custards were slightly shorter

[arctic talon]

Valdor isn't that big

iirc

that chart is a bit innacurate

[queen laurel]

A bit?

[arctic talon]

its pretty bad actually

the more I look at it lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah if eternal reward was here he would f****** throw a ketchup bottle at

[arctic talon]

cawl is around guilliman sized

if G-man was standing up

[hallow plover]

That's what I get for taking the first google image that comes up

[arctic talon]

either way Cawl is kind of terrifying

[celest dome]

Meeting Cawl would give an existentiale dread

[queen laurel]

Didn't we literally have a conversation of him one time where he learned this stupid baby fetus magic stuff that allows him to just kind of do stuff with the mind

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

Like putting it in another body

[arctic talon]

that was his teacher

[celest dome]

Oh the thing his teacher was doing

[arctic talon]

He just got her research

and absorbed her mind/memories

[queen laurel]

But he can still do it yes

[arctic talon]

we don't know how cawl excatly transfers minds

Well he could but he has a more efficent way of doing it

[queen laurel]

This guy basically just looks at the established convention of the mechanical cult and then spits at it stomps at it and then turns it into an origami paper dog and shreds it with a shredder right

[snow fern]

He certainly does tech heresy but Guilliman's protecting him

cause he does good work

[arctic talon]

not really

he still does believe in some stuff from the Cult mechanicus

He's a proponent for the quest for knowledge, he likes Omnissiah Worship/motive force worship

he hates AI

[queen laurel]

Doesn't he literally have an ai replica blueberry boy

[arctic talon]

We don't know wtf guilliman inferior is

[queen laurel]

Of course we don't

And gillman also has cawl thingy as well

[arctic talon]

We know what Cawl inferior is

its a fragmented copy of Cawl's brain thats been messed with to turn it into a very fancy cogitator tbh

[queen laurel]

Okay so do you think that you can kind of say the same for blueberry fuckiwit

Like when they were reviving him cawl took a brain scan or something

[arctic talon]

Maybe

We know Cawl stuck a data spike + some other stuff into Guillimans brain to give him a crash course

on wtf has happened in 10,000 years

[queen laurel]

And one of his neat tricks is you know memory manipulation and stuff

[arctic talon]

not memory manipulation as far as we know

[queen laurel]

So who's to say he didn't just copy guiliman's brain

[arctic talon]

but odds are yeah

he probably did try to copy Guillimans brain most likely

[storm jungle]

I do like how he entirely knows if Guilliman finds this out he'll snap his neck lmfao

[queen laurel]

Okay i'm going to make a memory copy of this demigod that can suplex me into a tank and crush me with it

It's going to be fine

[arctic talon]

Cawl is already getting close to Guillimans shitlist lol

[queen laurel]

He's practically edging the line of being turned into atomized metal

[arctic talon]

Tbh

he's old lol

he probably stopped giving a shit some 9000 years ago

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah in terms of crazy because of having multiple personalities who is more unhinged

Cawl or luthor Harkon

Would probably go to the metal man but i think the funny vampire has a chance

[arctic talon]

Luthor

Cawl isn't insane

Luthor is absolutely batshit insane

[queen laurel]

i guess that right atleast

[viral halo]

edging you say?

[queen laurel]

Don't make me throw a brick at you

[winged jacinth]

Cawl when hes poking around in a primarch's head:
"Hmm should i get some info on the missing parts of the incomplete primarch organ i made for primaris marines?
Hmmm... nah...."

[arctic talon]

primarchs don't understand their own organs fully I'd assume tbh

[winged jacinth]

Yeah not what rowboat knew i mean literally gathering data, maybe sneaking a cell or two

I wonder if bile knows from cloning primarchs

Cawl going to rob bile of his secrets would make a fun book

[arctic talon]

True

[celest dome]

Tbf, I don't fully understand my own organs

Like it's all a fleshy mess

[fallen plaza]

I bet leman russ probably doesnt know what an aorta is

[dusk patrol]

Russ was brilliant like all primarchs, he just intentionally played up the barbarian aspects

He and Khan were both fine with being seen as just savages

[snow fern]

People didn't see Khan as intelligent? Figured it was well known he loves his tactics

Good ol calvary charge, nothing beats that

[dusk patrol]

They both kept to themselves a lot and didn’t really talk about their whole deal much or share strategies and all that

Plus they were both pretty wild and savage in battle, and had tribal markers from their homeworlds still and the like

[plush mason]

the primarchs and the emperor are prime examples of the difference between intellect and wisdom

all of them are super humanly intelligent yet none of them had even a shread of wisdom

[fallen plaza]

I wouldnt say they dont have a shred of it

[shell mason]

Yk what Perty has over Dorn?

He's more boring lmao

[fallen plaza]

Perty is hella more interesting than dorn dude

[shell mason]

I mean in lore

now his legion is something else

[celest dome]

Matter of taste, both are quite boring, but I still prefered reading Dorn's parts than Perty

[fallen plaza]

I recall pertys primarch book is quite good

[celest dome]

The other character in his book were interesting

[shell mason]

yee

[celest dome]

Like his sister is really cool tbh

[shell mason]

sad about wat happened to her

[snow fern]

I'd say most of 30k could be solved by a very stubborn therapist with plot armor grade defensive measures

[fallen plaza]

I dunno how you would approach a gal vorbak for therapy but okay

[snow fern]

Cause somebody would try to kill them

[dusk patrol]

I like both I just get annoyed more with Perturabo stans ignoring all his many huge flaws and his self destructiveness

Same with Curze

Lots of hand waving

[fallen plaza]

I have a friend that has a crush on kurze

She is surprisingly sane beyond that

Although i think she is partially bipolar

[snow fern]

the skin flayer kurze that one?

What was the name of that serial killer receiving love letters while on death row again?

Jefferey Dahmer

[fallen plaza]

Yes

[snow fern]

I'm also seeing Chris Watts, what's this bizarre attraction to serial murderers

[storm jungle]

I see this and hand you TTS Dorn memes that make me wanna explode

[fallen plaza]

TTS memes

🤮

[storm jungle]

Love Alfa and Co. but holy fuck TTS really made me realise how cringe the 40k fandom can get at maximum speed, christ

[celest dome]

The Darkening has a much healthier following

[storm jungle]

Darkening?

[celest dome]

Parenting

[storm jungle]

OH lol

[celest dome]

Dunno why I thought it was Darkening rn

Maybe cause it's world of darkness

[storm jungle]

Yeah Hunter is definitely many tiers above, helps that its an actual animated series ontop of that.

[celest dome]

can't see anything else

WoD is such a nice setting, need more (good) video games though

[fallen plaza]

There writing really improved during the final episode of TTS

They are just way funnier now than before

[storm jungle]

Yeah the start of the series is so fucking rough its unbelievable

You can tell how they were catering to the braindead grimdank fanbase before mostly maturing with the writing.

[winter vessel]

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the new universe Bruva Alfabusa has going on. I’m not sure if it connects with all World Of Darkness games or just Vampire: The Masquerade

[storm jungle]

It connects with all of them.

They have actively mentioned mummies, werewolves, mages, vampires, etc etc. Basically everything.

[arctic talon]

Chinese

[winter vessel]

I’m just happy to see Boy become part of the Main cast

[dusk patrol]

And other fictional creatures

[arctic talon]

Do Kuei Jin still exist lol

[dusk patrol]

Isn’t that Scorpions clan from Mortal Kombat?

[winter vessel]

That’s lin kuei

[arctic talon]

lol

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-raiden-elder-gods-by-the-elder-gods-gif-854518097676694241

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about the “Chinese” vampires in WoD

[dusk patrol]

I must consult the Elder Gods about this

[storm jungle]

They mention it but joke that their depiction is so racist/caricature they could possibly not exist

And that their concept is also silly as hell and Magnus tells one of his pals its outrageous lmfao

[winter vessel]

I remember those. Much of my knowledge about anything related to WoD were the video game adaptations, which I guess, was mostly on the vampire

[storm jungle]

Yep this too

[dusk patrol]

Japanese people have two genders, Ninja and Samurai

[arctic talon]

I love mashing multiple East and southeast Asian cultures together and calling it Chinese

💀

[storm jungle]

^

White Writers Moment

[arctic talon]

Funniest shit I’ve read in a while

[queen laurel]

White writer's when i watch the sneak in an incredibly offensive joke in old cartoons

[storm jungle]

Its not even relegated to asia either

White Wolf did so much racist slipups

CODEX: GYPSIES

[arctic talon]

Isn’t Toronto in world of darkness some super evil vampire infested place

[storm jungle]

It is lol

[dusk patrol]

CODEX: I won’t be continuing this joke for legal reasons

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

Some forget about the history of the Sohei Monks and Onna Bugeisha. Which as an advant of feudal Japan history is upsetting

[storm jungle]

But yeah like WOD is great but

[dusk patrol]

Ok nerd

[storm jungle]

its basically 40k if nobody in the writing room never said "no"

or "hey can we maybe not add this in"

lmao

[dusk patrol]

When do the samurai and ninjas come in

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[dusk patrol]

Look I’m just happy they didn’t make the Skaven bankers ok

[storm jungle]

💀

[outer wave]

Skaven are bankers in WoD?

Obviously not named skaven but rat-mice people?

[storm jungle]

NO lmao

[outer wave]

Oh okay good

[storm jungle]

that was basically a JK Rowling making bankers ugly goblins thing

[outer wave]

Should be ogres anywa--

[storm jungle]

AAA-

[outer wave]

HAHAHAHAH

OKAY THAT WOULD BE KINDA FUNNY

[arctic talon]

They have katanas

[outer wave]

Awful but funny

[young pecan]

Hollywood movies when the setting is a desert:

[queen laurel]

The jk rowlings that wanted harry potter to end up with the girl in the group even though she's the one who wrote the damn thing?

[storm jungle]

At first i thought people were reaching with that, then I eventually learned just how bad she names some of the kids in the books

like OH MY GOD

[outer wave]

Fuckin Shacklebolt

[arctic talon]

As we all know the katana is the only East Asian sword

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I do think it’s unintentional and more just like

[arctic talon]

Folded 10,000 times

Or something

Cho Chang goes funny as hell

[storm jungle]

Its probably her saying it will look cool before realising while it is, its also kinda poor taste

[dusk patrol]

“I want to add this race and I don’t know shit about them”.

[arctic talon]

I love two last names

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically this

[arctic talon]

Tbh she could have just given normal British name + last name

Idk

[winter vessel]

Yeah. First reading that name I was like. Ok we get it, we know her background

[arctic talon]

It’s not like some names are like

[dusk patrol]

Like there’s an American Indian girl too iirc who was named something goofy

[arctic talon]

I think it could have been done with more subtlety regarding their names

[young pecan]

Jo Nava

[arctic talon]

Just saying

[dusk patrol]

Like Cho Chang at least gets a lot to do

[queen laurel]

Eberron orcs level subtlety?

[storm jungle]

Wang....

[arctic talon]

The names are just funny to look at

[queen laurel]

Wang ka

[storm jungle]

Wang Chun

[dusk patrol]

And she’s not fucking Seamus, an Irishman with a special skill in blowing stuff up

[winter vessel]

Ron Weasley was just Jk’s Greg Heffley based on all the shit he went through when hanging out with HP

[arctic talon]

Oh god

[storm jungle]

Seamus McCarbomb

[arctic talon]

Seamus is bad

Doesn’t he also try to turn water into wine

💀

Like repeatedly

[storm jungle]

I mean

free drinks

[queen laurel]

Let's play is it offensive

Seamus

[storm jungle]

Seamus is a good name tbh

i wasnt ware it was a caricature

[winter vessel]

Not as bad as Balthazar Gelt tanking the economy when he tried to turn things into gold that ended up becoming lead

[storm jungle]

Thats like some mistake id do

"isnt having more gold good?"

[dusk patrol]

Seamus I think it’s more jsut funny I don’t think she was meaning anything with that either

He’s a good character

[queen laurel]

Don't you know about the guy who had so much gold and gave it away it literally destabilized its value

[outer wave]

Seamus McNailbom'MacCarbomb Leperchaun

[storm jungle]

AAAAA

[dusk patrol]

Seamus McTroubles

[winter vessel]

Seamus McGriddle

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[queen laurel]

Seamus Mcschoolshoota

[outer wave]

Man I wish celtic names were more in

[storm jungle]

my favorite ork

i bet he loves scholas

[outer wave]

I bet he told his Boyz not to come to school tomorrow

[queen laurel]

He pull up with the slugga

[storm jungle]

BRUH

LMAO

also id say "okay thats a bit too much"

But in 40k schools people literally get turned into walls by pouring cement on literal kids

so like 💀

[winter vessel]

I have a wand, but it’s shaped like a crooked “L” on its side for some reason

[outer wave]

"Boyz, ya'z pretty aight. Ya'z no grotz, ya lot. Dun come to da skool buildin' tomorrow."

[storm jungle]

Even worse since grots actually do this

lmfao

[outer wave]

OH RIGHT GROTS WOULD

[storm jungle]

The lore for killa kans is where they put grots in them

then just

the grots kill the orks that bullied them with it

LOL

[queen laurel]

Kill

Yeah they become incredibly unstable

Cowards but incredibly unstable cowards

[outer wave]

I forgot all about that Killa Kanz bit

[arctic talon]

The Mek is usually laughing their ass off

While the Killa Kan is murdering boyz

[queen laurel]

A Killa kan is the size of a full grown ogryn

10 feet

Basically the size of a average war boss

[outer wave]

And I assume Deff Dreads are double that size?

[queen laurel]

Yes

But can really depend

Designs and all that custom s***

[winter vessel]

“Boss has given Skrot a Shoota, Skrot is a free Gretchin”

[storm jungle]

noOOOO

[queen laurel]

Wardens walking into chat and watching the regulars say the most offensive thing in mankind history

[storm jungle]

Like i said, when you consider what goes in actual scholas in 40k you stop caring

"Shoot your classmates, prove your loyalty"

[outer wave]

Actually, what would a gretchin-ran klan look like? Would they be able to contain orks to do menial work and such or would this be absolutely short-lived?

[storm jungle]

💀

[dusk patrol]

Not that we’ve seen really

[queen laurel]

They would need to adopt the same way the GSG live

[dusk patrol]

Orks bully the fuck out of Gretchin

Very few can have any leadership roles

[queen laurel]

Yeah and the revolutions they tried to fight are very easily thwarted

[outer wave]

Only successful one was The Red Gobbo's

IIRC

[dusk patrol]

Allegedly they used to lead the Orks during the War in Heaven

[queen laurel]

Even then bare minimum he can only really save them

[queen laurel]

This is the brain fungus story

Which is like the least believable of the two

If it's real well it's funny but

[dusk patrol]

Idk, it’ll keep changing regardless

[queen laurel]

Yeah war in heaven barely tells anything

It's just placeholder for an origin for factions

[young pecan]

This seems like the perfect time to say that 2:30 of Sweater Weather sounds like a sad teenage ork

[queen laurel]

Okay that's how eldar Orks and necrons came to be

[outer wave]

Honestly its weird that gretchins are just there though

[queen laurel]

They still help about in ork society

[outer wave]

Like outside of a few things and what they do now for klan settlements (especially in early development), they kinda just

Get fucked around

[queen laurel]

And if you're incredibly lucky and you do your job well you wouldn't get kick much

[outer wave]

If you got yourself a good Runt'erd you're probably okay

Or a good warboss that sees you as a cool pet thing

[queen laurel]

They do a lot of the menial work

Cleaning stuff like that

So they're very important still

And since they are also small they can get and repair parts of vehicles where other orks would have struggle getting to

They can be useful assistance for doctors as well

They do a lot of stuff and while they do get kicked around they are very important

[outer wave]

But that goes to imply what they did during the war in heaven

I doubt they served the exact same purpose (menial worker/punching bag)

[queen laurel]

I didn't really say it didn't have a chance of being true but out of the proposed old ork origin it's the least credible

[plush mason]

so did Zola say something sus recently?

[outer wave]

I havent been following the Darktide lore as of late sadly

Not too sure what she could've said outside of the twins incident

[queen laurel]

All i know is that swagger is goated

[plush mason]

that he is

[winter vessel]

Walks the walk and talks the talk. Definitely earned his name

[plush mason]

nvm i just saw the timestamp on the thumbnail in #darktide-pics-vids and its from 2022

[thick cedar]

Is it true the knowledge to properly use a Hive City is lost to time? I always assumed they were prety good places to live in the Golden Age

And its why every hive city is a shithole?

[arctic talon]

Hive City's were in fact pretty nice places during the DAOT

But they've all broken down and such

this does not stop the imperium from making new shitty hive cities however

[thick cedar]

theyre still making new hive cities?

[hallow saddle]

theyre shitholes because theyre all so old and the imperium is so stagnant by the 41st millennium that the hive cities have just accumulated pollution, waste, decay, massive social divides and poverty

[arctic talon]

There's newer ones yes

well "newer"

like 2.5k years old

Varangantua in Warhammer Crime is a young hive city

its not a full hive yet but its getting there

[plush mason]

ngl i love that GW has the hive people as all so clearly suffering from generational dome syndrome

humans living in that kind of enviroment literally just go crazy

so the heavy social Darwinism is very much the end result

[storm jungle]

^

[plush mason]

so do the space wolves have wolf servoskulls?

[rose thorn]

i dont see why not

[storm jungle]

Yeah they do, you can see some in the background of a few artworks

[plush mason]

nice

[nocturne crest]

Do you it would be the same for the Carcharodons, but with shark servoskulls?

[rose thorn]

shout out to the only interesting space wolf for inspirinh my stormhost

[arctic talon]

Carcharadons don't have shark themed stuff

their main thing is like

really fucked up armor and like some tattoo stuff

[plush mason]

and sharks

shark teeth

[arctic talon]

do they have shark teeth?

[plush mason]

and they fight in complete silence

[arctic talon]

they have a fucking shark tank in their Capitol ship

but that doesn't count lol

[plush mason]

yes both as a decoration on their armor and they file their teeth to look like shark teeth

[arctic talon]

[plush mason]

they are heavy based on both sharks and Polynesian warrior culture

[arctic talon]

when did we get the loreon the shark teeth

bcs that def wasn't in Imperial armor lmao

[plush mason]

i think its in one of their novels

[arctic talon]

that makes sense

[plush mason]

yeah and it very much fits with the Polynesian warrior inspiration

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, I wonder when Corax comes back, will he get the Ashen Claws to serve the imperium again or wipe them out.

[storm jungle]

Ashen Claws are such a footnote in lore they probably wont even get mentioned

lol

[arctic talon]

if they do get mentioned he'll prolly wipe them out lol, Corax did not like the Terran elements

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, Corax should be the last loyalist Primark alive to return.

[storm jungle]

The primarch return order depends on who makes money

Leman is next probably since Space Wolves get good enough attention mini-wise as is

[nocturne crest]

True.

I think Dorn would be second to last.

Actually, how many space marines chapters are there named after an animal?

[plush mason]

only 3 of the first founding

a lot more in the successors

[nocturne crest]

Would you say more than 10, currently?

[plush mason]

yeah i guess

i dont know many of the successors lol

[arctic talon]

Yes

[plush mason]

the carcharodons and the blood ravens are the only ones i can think of off the top of my head lol

[nocturne crest]

There is the mantis warriors.

[arctic talon]

Raptors, iron ravens

Celestial lions

Uhhh

[dusk patrol]

Doom Eagles

Knights of the Raven

[arctic talon]

Iron snakes

[dusk patrol]

I think they’re UMs

Or IF

[green loom]

BR aren't Raven guard

I think

[arctic talon]

We were talking about chapters with animals in their name

[crystal forum]

tortuga terrorists

giraffe dispatchers

anaconda annihilators

cat attackers

murder of crows

[outer wave]

You missed the chance to call the Cat Attackers Cat Burglers or Cat Prowlers

[crystal forum]

jaguar jattackers

tiger tattackers

[outer wave]

Smoke Jaguar

Ghost Bear

[dusk patrol]

The Gay Jays

[crystal forum]

arkhan land lattackers

jurassic park 5: space jurassic park

[outer wave]

Jade Falcon

Diamond Shark

[crystal forum]

tungsten carbide canines

[outer wave]

Tungsten Jackals

[dusk patrol]

The Boots in Your Butt

[outer wave]

Boot Butts

[crystal forum]

butt's boots

the new penal battalion book

[dusk patrol]

Slappity Assisity

[crystal forum]

why is horus named after an egyptian god

[outer wave]

Probably to signify the importance placed upon him by his father, also the eyes symbology

[crystal forum]

the world is going to end in less than a decade

a martyr is born

[dusk patrol]

Bah they said that last decade

[crystal forum]

im starting to believe this might be the one

[dusk patrol]

I can make sure it’s yours

[outer wave]

Your doomerism, it sounds pretty strong. Let me fight it!

[odd palm]

An American died?

[young pecan]

https://youtu.be/8liPBsUtND4?si=xSzXRpwf6NKpizMj

Average guardsman coping mechanism

[thorn zenith]

i think they were theorized to be Thousand Sons successor

[shell mason]

Stay up

Cook like Curze

[barren prawn]

do ultramarines have any non shitty battle cries?

[storm jungle]

Non-shitty?

[plush mason]

they are the basic template for a space marine, so no all thier battle cries are basic

but thats what happens when a faction is the literal embodiment of a stereotype

[dusk patrol]

They’re not really tbh, Imperial Fists are a more standard chapter in reality. Ultras are actually super non codex compliant and different from most.

[plush mason]

what?

they literally founded the codex

and afaik are canonically famed for their strict adherence to it

[dusk patrol]

Except they’re not nearly as compliant as other chapters and have a lot of exceptions

[queen laurel]

yeah but they got pounded the most by following it, exhibit one tyrannic war

[dusk patrol]

Their rule of Ultramar being a huge one

[plush mason]

that makes sense

[barren prawn]

anything other than "we march for mcwhatever" or "courage and whatever"

[queen laurel]

Yeah literally their Primarch

[storm jungle]

You ask too much from space marines 💀

[queen laurel]

and basically second in command told them

It's a useful book but don't be wanking for it

[dusk patrol]

What’s a good battle cry to you?

[queen laurel]

Leandros

[storm jungle]

^

[plush mason]

for Russ and the Allfather

[dusk patrol]

They also say stuff like For Ultramar/Calth/Macragge! Or For Guilliman!

But like

It’s a battle cry

[storm jungle]

Astartes battle-cries are basically suppose to be GI Joe-tier warcries made to appeal to the monke center of your brain hence why most of them are so basic

[dusk patrol]

It’s not supposed to be complex

[storm jungle]

Yeah this lol

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

they are made to be basic

[barren prawn]

iron within iron without, the tip of the spear one but its a bit long, kill for the living kill for the dead

like i'm thinking about the new space marines game and cheers are gonna be lame as all hell

[plush mason]

hell isnt for the emeperor originally from the ultramarines? or was it the imperial fists?

[dusk patrol]

Its fine, you just have to have a cool voice while saying it

[barren prawn]

anything by zealots here is easily better

[storm jungle]

LOL

to be fair thats because they got excellent performance

its all about delivery

[barren prawn]

like cmon who doesnt love "YOUR DEATH IS OFFERING YOUR DAMNATION IS ETERNAL"

[storm jungle]

Judge is too fucking hype

"THE MASTER SEES UUUUUUS"

[barren prawn]

thats agi

[celest dome]

"For Sigmar, the hammer and the Empire"

[plush mason]

like how death to the false emperor was first coined by the night lords then later became a standard for all chaos/traitor forces

[storm jungle]

I know but i had to say it

lol

[barren prawn]

even agitator is better than ultramarine meatheads

[dusk patrol]

Like one of the most famous battle cries of all time is stuff like Deus Vult, For the Alamo, the Rebel yell which isn’t even a actual word or anything

[barren prawn]

FOR THE MASTER OF MANKIIIIIIIND

[dusk patrol]

Or just screeching

[storm jungle]

I mean

those are pretty lame

unless you're american lmfao

minus Deus Vult

which is just... tainted at this point

[queen laurel]

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH!!!!!

[plush mason]

which one? every state in the confederacy had a different one lol

[barren prawn]

i hope they get some cheers that are unique to the game or some basic ones used by everyone

[queen laurel]

yes it's just loud incoherent screaming

[storm jungle]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

Rebel Yell is fucking great

[storm jungle]

ıts a great song

warcry tho?

eh

[dusk patrol]

No the cry

[storm jungle]

No its the song now

sorry buddy

[plush mason]

lol

[dusk patrol]

The song is also good but that’s a different point

[storm jungle]

But also like

Confederates

into the ditch they go

[crisp heath]

I recite my entire lineage back to Adam at the top of my lungs

[dusk patrol]

We’re not talking about if the person behind it was good

The Banzai cry was also really effective as a fear tactic

[barren prawn]

my dad did that to me once as a joke

he just kept making up names after my great great grandfather

[dusk patrol]

Anyways the point is

It’s fine as a batte cry if the delivery is good, which it will be

Cause it’s a pre recorded video game

[barren prawn]

yeah but still i hope they add in more unique ones or generic stuff

because otherwise i'm gonna scream FOR ATOMA on ultramar

[dusk patrol]

Yeah like that works and it’s pretty basic and lame

For the Golden Throne is also pretty basic

[barren prawn]

ye thats fine

[dusk patrol]

They’ll run the gamut I’m sure

For Guilliman, for the Emperor, and so on

[barren prawn]

voice acting is pretty sick in DT i hope its used as a template for future warhammer games

[dusk patrol]

Voice acting has rarely if ever been the issue for 40k games

Well before Darktide

Sometimes it’s a little more hammy but there’s never been a lack of very well done voice acting

For 40k or Fantasy

[barren prawn]

i played mechanicus right before DT and it was kinda mid

[plush mason]

the DOW voice lines are iconic even today

[barren prawn]

tho mechancius isnt very loved to be fair

[dusk patrol]

That’s the least of my concerns for SM2

[dusk patrol]

I mean they literally don’t talk

[queen laurel]

it's the coop that is the eye catcher

and campaign

[plush mason]

in mechanicus the tech priests all speak in techlinguis

the necrons speak an understandable language and have some killer lines

the Admiral especially

for the first boss you face the dude had some serious trash talk

[plush mason]

yeah that line is great

the audio is just white noise which is what speaking in binary code would sound like

[storm jungle]

Its very good but the format is mostly done for the sake of budget while being lore friendly.

And while theres a lot of unique techno-garble lines (minutes long infact) it definitely becomes white noise after awhile

[queen laurel]

If we're comparing it to warhammer game standards it's pretty good for what it is

Because warhammer games are either garbage or decent or very rarely good

[barren prawn]

gameplay was good yeah but i remember nothing of the story

and tbh xcom kinda spoiled me for most turn based games i legit cant play anything that doesnt use the same move+attack/dash system

[storm jungle]

Theres not much to the story tbh

Go to tombworld

Raid it

Deal with whiny underlings

it works for what it is

[shadow plover]

Yeah, albeit I'm quite hyped for the second game and being able to play as Necrons. Hopefully the story is more interesting on their side but not holding my breath

[crystal forum]

there's no way that girlyman doesn't make some really good mediterranean food

[shell mason]

lmao

[plush mason]

he would cook roman food

[crystal forum]

i get the joke is corvus and robert are white af so their food must be bland

but greek food is GOOD damn it

[plush mason]

which is vastly different to modern Italian food

[storm jungle]

Greeks arent white so that checks out

[crystal forum]

who tf cares you god damn turk

[plush mason]

wow

[crystal forum]

sorry i've seen enough turk vs greek rivalry

[storm jungle]

I do you racist prick

HOW IS NOT SAYING "they arent white" A BAD THING

[shell mason]

Damn

Thats fucked Witchfinder

[crystal forum]

who invented the gyro???

[storm jungle]

idfk

i just eat it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-fast-eating-eat-gif-25232258

[shell mason]

Greeks

[plush mason]

its a greek taco

[shell mason]

basic knowledge bro

[crystal forum]

(its origins are traced back to where turkey currently is but was the ottoman empire)

[storm jungle]

its literally meat/other shit wrapped in a thin layer of dough

its not exactly a complex manner of food for other nearby cultures to do

its why i dont care too much tbh

[shell mason]

it's how they cooked it

That's like a burrito is a chimichaga

Although I love both

[queen laurel]

why are we talking about food as if we discovered the secret plans of the Emperor

[storm jungle]

idfk

[crystal forum]

the fact that the sandwich has existed since humans have made bread but only got its english name when some rich fuck decided it wasn't just for poor people anymore

[fallen plaza]

Sandwich? What are you fucking french? Speak english and say stacked bread

[queen laurel]

why are you talking about sandwiches and gyro like they are the puzzle in solving an unforeseen Great War in the future

[crystal forum]

because this is the only thing that keeps me from thinking about how fucked the world is getting

the sandwich conspiracy is the key to all of this

[burnt maple]

Lmao.

[shell mason]

[green loom]

Gyros is just Greek Doner

[storm jungle]

LOL

[green loom]

Similarly Doner is just Turkish gyros

[dusk patrol]

Jeffery Doner

[storm jungle]

Die.

[dusk patrol]

idk why you’re upset you’d be pretty safe with him

[gray umbra]

Argenta laughing always puts a smile on my face

Sweet promethium

[dusk patrol]

Psychotic/maniacal laughter does always do it

[plush mason]

so what are deamonhammers?

[dusk patrol]

Force hammers

But generally better quality

Sometimes it’s a power hammer too, generally has like

Special warding and symbols on it

To make it fuck up daemons more

[plush mason]

ok so the godsplitter is a power hammer with the anti daemon wards then

[shell mason]

wat

[plush mason]

thats the hammer Gabriel has in DOW

[shell mason]

ah

[green loom]

It splits gods

[viral halo]

nice to see someone being honest in here

My favorite part about going to Germany is all the Turkish food

[tough haven]

Wiki says the zoat are ‘nids? Is that just schizo rants?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zoat

Read lexi, explains it better

[tough haven]

Yeah it left out the whole rebelling thing

[outer wave]

Wait the Tyranids have created enslaved races?

Why dont they do this more often

[queen laurel]

Because the first one they had rebelled?

Enslaving species is a lot of work and logistic

[outer wave]

Apparently its rare for rebelling to happen

It basically happens if they're away from the hive mind

[storm jungle]

also keep in mind this is OOOOOLD lore

the modern lore still explains it as such but its entirely because its basically impossible to ignore

lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's older than Dilara

[outer wave]

Damn...

[queen laurel]

It is some ancient shit

[spring cairn]

my headcannon is that the imperial scholars who studied zoats have it all wrong and are stupid and stink

because the lore on them sucks balls

[tough haven]

Realistic

[tough haven]

Do we have a release date on mechanicus 2?

[celest dome]

No

[storm jungle]

No

[dusk patrol]

I do but I won’t share

[tough haven]

I need it injected into my veins now

I hope it’s around SM2’s release since they both had trailers come out around the same time

[gray umbra]

The only person hes splitting is that eldar farseer

[tough haven]

😦

[rocky gale]

Noticed something with the new Army of Renown rules for 4th edition

"Pick a friendly Croneseer’s Pariahs Cavalry unit"

In 3rd edition this specified Doomfire Warlocks (the only Cavalry unit DoK currently have)

But now the rule just says Cavalry units, so maybe new DoK cavalry coming

[fallen plaza]

There's been rumors of plastic krieg for ages now

[rocky gale]

Yea GW sometimes hold onto models for ages before releasing them

[arctic talon]

the new necron overlord is an example lol

they got teased in a rumor engine back during 9e

[shell mason]

NERD CHAT

[rocky gale]

Like there's models designed almost 10 years ago by their team and only being released now

[shell mason]

in one aspect

what do you feel like could leave the setting and nothing will change?

[fallen plaza]

Most space marine chapters

Uh, imperial fist.

And uh, imperial fist.

And imperial fist too.

[arctic talon]

a lot of one off space marine chapters that get mentioned in an obscure codex entry or book and never again

if anything it gives more freedom to people to homebrew lol

[shell mason]

interesting

[arctic talon]

Since they won’t have a name with some potentially existing baggage

[gray umbra]

Jokaero

[arctic talon]

Then we wouldn’t have a baneblade besting a bloodthirster in melee combat

We can’t have that not in the setting

[storm jungle]

https://insider-gaming.com/spaice-marine-2-leak-playable/

Not really "lore" but still gonna post it here lol

[dusk patrol]

Well we’ll be able to see how it plays

[storm jungle]

It looks alright

also Deathwatch prologue level id wager

[dusk patrol]

That’s what I figured

Explains the story and marines a bit, lets you learn how to kill Nids and shit

Probably will have some opening cutscene which summarizes the universe for normies

[storm jungle]

Yeah he even does the Le Dramatic Protagonist Helmet-takeoff Reveal at the end

[gray umbra]

Do his eye visors slide up when he takes it off

[dusk patrol]

Cloaks and hoods in full armor is my favorite gender

[green loom]

I like that they're taking notes from Rogue Trader for Ulfar 2's voice

[storm jungle]

Ulfar's voice was a really good touch

they definitely put his inhuman/gigantism to the account for his vocal performance, it took me awhile to get used to but it slaps

[plush mason]

Ulfar is great

[crystal forum]

i dare you to do this with blender

[green loom]

Looks like Titus' team were
||Beren - Black Templar
Ulfar - Space Wolf
Kelstros - Blood Angel||

[dusk patrol]

Deathwatch Squads not having 50% or more first founding marines on them challenge: Impossible

[crystal forum]

@arctic talon would you like some screwable stuff to make it more durable

[arctic talon]

Its probably fine

I can drill my own holes if necessary

[crystal forum]

ok

[gray umbra]

Lamenters death watch guy

[crystal forum]

im putting strong pegs and stuff into the grip so it doesnt fuck off when waving around

so close to being done

@arctic talon real important question is do you want the cylinder to be magnetic or slid into rails in the frame

you could put magnets in the cylinder and frame to easily switch out

[arctic talon]

Whichever you want

its your project

I am okay with whatever tbh

[green loom]

God ykno

This vibes a LOT like Gears of War

Moreso than game 1

Not big things at any rate

But I feel like they styled pick ups after how it goes in Gears

[crystal forum]

here

[crystal forum]

magnets would be much easier for me since i just have to make holes

[green loom]

That

Is a lot of tyranids

[arctic talon]

then do magnets

[storm jungle]

BRO MY COMPUTEEEEER

[green loom]

I love the fkn orbital slingshot

[crystal forum]

god damn this model looks good

cant believe i made this shit

[green loom]

But you did

[storm jungle]

and just a few days ago you said it looked like shit

told you you'd improve you whiny bastard

[crystal forum]

it was shit a few days ago

but i clutched that grip

[green loom]

Oh holy shit(spoilers)
||You straight up go through the rubicon||

[crystal forum]

this is like the first time i've actually managed to do an organic shape that doesnt look like shit

[storm jungle]

Keep at it and it will get even better 🙏

[storm jungle]

Also wheres that from

is it a leak footage vid i missed

[plush mason]

they are using everything they learned from WWZ

in fact i think SM2 is on the same engine

[green loom]

It is

[plush mason]

which is great because holy fuck the hordes in that game where amazing

[green loom]

They mention it in one of the vids released like a week ago

Same tech used on the hordes in that game is at play here

[plush mason]

perfect

[green loom]

Prolly a bit more advanced

[plush mason]

ofc

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-computer-explode-malfunction-gif-16656859

what i fear my laptop will do when i try to run it lol

[storm jungle]

bruh no

a laptop is not running that unless its like a game-focused one

[plush mason]

mine is lol

its not that great tho

like its got a 3050 lol

[green loom]

I've heard some unconfirmed rumouring that this was recorded on a mid range laptop with a 3060

[outer wave]

Mine will burn and explode

This is my only PC

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[crystal forum]

dont worry guys i'll stream the game to you with max graphics

you can pretend you're playing

[outer wave]

Ah yes the little brother dead controller method

[odd palm]

[snow fern]

I'm kinda gonna miss the orks from SM1, Tyranids and Thousand Sons just aren't as enjoyable

[outer wave]

Thousand Sons are cool as hell

[dusk patrol]

Found a pic of Ederius’s computer

[storm jungle]

Harsh but not untrue

[crystal forum]

if you have an ok internet you can use geforce now

[wraith quartz]

Wah?

[green loom]

You got the cables mostly right

[crystal forum]

it's probably buggy as hell

[odd crown]

Yall would know dis

Is there an equivalent for Hispanics in 40k?

[winter vessel]

The Astartes Crimson Fists chapter.

name wise

[thorn zenith]

Dark angels deathwing

[arctic talon]

Hispanic culture/the ethnicity still exists in some form most likely

[rose thorn]

Hello chat, what are we talking about?

[rose thorn]

Honestly in all of warhammer the seraphon are based on aztec architecture but that’s it. Gw is too British to represent anything not European or Japanese tbh

[queen laurel]

Skaven going to Japan and suddenly being ninjas

[rose thorn]

Old worlds best lore:

Hey woah roasted the shit out of old world saying like

‘I mean taking a bunch of Tolkien races and diving them like real like counties is cool, in like the 1850s’

[queen laurel]

yeah it had flaws

[rose thorn]

The total war games are great don’t get me wrong

The lore is not great

And that’s why I play table top games lmao

But yeha uhh

Gw also didn’t have a great record for repenting not Europeans very well

[queen laurel]

yeah cathay uh

it's

[celest dome]

Pigmy 💀

[queen laurel]

definitely a thing

[rose thorn]

‘Hey gw how did you represent Africans?’

[queen laurel]

oH you spiky ******* prick

[rose thorn]

‘Hey gw why are half of the beastmen in South America?’

[celest dome]

You mean Antarctica?

[rose thorn]

Where does the bronze guy start?

[queen laurel]

cathay

[rose thorn]

Ah

[queen laurel]

if you mean gelt's old position

near nuln

[rose thorn]

Ohh

[queen laurel]

they moved his ass and made him a magic lord

[rose thorn]

Wait I thought it was by the wood elves

[queen laurel]

elspeth became the artillery woman

and took his place

[rose thorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/2/2c/Warhammer_World_Map_White_Dwarf_300_UK_2004_.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220310185114

How did anyone think this was interesting

Also what’s in Australia?

The realm reason old world is bad

(Context USD)

[queen laurel]

HOLY SHIT

[rose thorn]

Vs

[queen laurel]

That is not at all offensive

[rose thorn]

The age of sigmar models

[queen laurel]

yeah age of sigmar was definitely better built

[rose thorn]

The price or the models

[queen laurel]

i was just looking at how the characters look

[rose thorn]

Tbh I forgot ogors are supposed to be Mongolians

[queen laurel]

the price is definitely outrageous let me tell you

[rose thorn]

The worst part is the current ogors replaced these models

They brought back the worst old model for twice the price

AND

Tehy make you think this is your only choice

[queen laurel]

they are just taking advantage of the nostalgic people at this point

[rose thorn]

The actual new models are great

But uh, everything else ain’t

[outer wave]

Even the newer models for the ogors need updating but wow yeah they're so much better than whatever Old World is providing

[queen laurel]

BAHAHAHAHA

[rose thorn]

These were used until recently

In AOS

For ard boys

[queen laurel]

I know but it's still funny that we get a better black orc MOLD

And the old world for some reason has to deal with the old one

[rose thorn]

Because fuck being consumer friendly

[queen laurel]

yeah don't even get me started on this

[rose thorn]

Don’t look up the prices of the mega gargangs in old world

[rose thorn]

Don’t look at his price

[queen laurel]

I do not have to I can tell it is more than what people can earn by a year at this point

[rose thorn]

I’ll just say

King brodd is a third of the price

[queen laurel]

you're telling me that this giga Chad of a model is cheaper than that thing that looks like the creepy uncle you try to not invite at the family parties

[rose thorn]

He’s

Yes

[queen laurel]

GW

i know you are a basic company and crap but like what the hell

[rose thorn]

My bad he’s half the price

[queen laurel]

that's still cheaper

[rose thorn]

King brod is 140~

160~

[queen laurel]

can you screenshot me king Brodd

[rose thorn]

My bad price increase

[queen laurel]

mine says he's this price

[rose thorn]

On Amazon he’s 180

[queen laurel]

The fact that the bone grinder even on the real store is still more expensive

[rose thorn]

Yeah lmao

[queen laurel]

even if it's a little bit more money it's still ******* hilarious

[rose thorn]

Good news, gloom spites are cheaper in old word

[queen laurel]

well the goblin fans will at least be happy

[rose thorn]

Wiat

They use, the old models

WHY

[queen laurel]

ah yeah

You didn't know?

they are going to use the old models for the goblins

[rose thorn]

THE CURRENTLY MODELS ARE ANCINE

[queen laurel]

ancient?

yeah

But you know nostalgia exploitation

[rose thorn]

I was like ‘well at least I can mass buy stabbas’

But they are uglier then the new ones

[queen laurel]

yeah in the model department old world isn't looking too hot

[rose thorn]

And the two newest armies in old world are Pennies on the dollar in any historic fantasy game

[queen laurel]

yeah old world seems unnecessarily expensive