40k-lore-chat

[tulip brook]

we know old ones created eldar

they most likely created their gods themselves

[celest dome]

Do they think that they were created by their god ?

[nocturne crest]

So I have a odd question, but can space marines psykers be pressed into taking up the role of a navigator?

[shadow plover]

Yes

Happens in the Nightlords omnibus for example

[queen laurel]

now that i think about it, you can be a navigator as long as you have potent psychic powers right?

[shadow plover]

the lack of the third eye makes it difficult iirc

[queen laurel]

but an actual navigator is better for the job

[queen laurel]

Yeah that makes sense

[shadow plover]

like when the Night Lord psyker did it he was very drained from it and almost failed at it

[tulip brook]

imperium don't like to use their psykers like that. chaos sorcerers on the other hand...

[gentle walrus]

I would imagime being able to actually see the astronomicon would help greatly in navigation

[tulip brook]

since csm don't really have access to navigators they mostly use their psykers

[shadow plover]

they often enslave the navigators of ships they blunder for their own uses

[tulip brook]

it is indeed the case but these guys are the most protected members of the biggest ships in imperium, not an easy target to kidnap and enslave

[lapis wadi]

Its funny to think that despite how much money a Rogue Trader has, their Navigator could easily have a larger stipend from their house.

[tulip brook]

sorcerers generally don't really mind getting blasted by warp either, in terms of practicality, they will do just fine

[gentle walrus]

Are there worlds that Chaos takes over, and life just resumes regularly minus Imperial propaganda...or is it just all deamons, ruinous powers, heresy etc.?

[grim shell]

ive always wondered this but what level would the player psyker be delta/gamma or beta or something else? I think at least delta/gamma because we get skins for primaris psykers so we have to be about that strong

[tulip brook]

random youtube recommendation for the rescue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ZXxZ5YXwM

it was literally sitting on my page when I checked the channel

[wooden ridge]

Is this a real eye or it's just a figurative expression

[tulip brook]

real

[green loom]

Yep, navigators are abhumans

[shadow plover]

yea they do be having a third physical eye on their foreheads

looking at it will kill you though

[wooden ridge]

Do we have any kind of a navigator's skull painting? I am just curious if there is a third eye socket 👀

[shadow plover]

can't recall seeing one tbh, one 9th edition relic for the CSM was a navigator skull though. I think

[queen laurel]

This is a Navigator

That third eye allows them to navigate space a lot easier than not having it

[wooden ridge]

Do they hide it when they meet other people

[green loom]

It's covered I think?

[tulip brook]

it's covered in some way

[crisp heath]

It's constantly blasting out warp energy, if they didn't keep it covered it would melt your face

[green loom]

Worth it for da smooch

[lapis wadi]

It can also be a pure black orb that draws you in rather than constantly shooting lightning
But yeah still dangerous to look in.

Actually I think the pure black orb is the default state if they're not doing anything psykery

I forget most of their lore already

[radiant lance]

Empire: we hate abhumans
Also empire
Worships a literal abhuman, relies on navigator abhumans

[green loom]

Imperium moment

[wet sandal]

That's an oversimplification of the situation

[crisp heath]

I have arisen to a new day of lore chat

[wooden ridge]

Imperium seems to forget its own prohibitions if it's beneficial

[crisp heath]

Lol literally the emperor snuffed out all religion except for the one he started....

I think more is two faced than just the Aquila lol

Kinda the Imperiums thing lol

[wooden ridge]

Not quite a lore question..

I've played Quake 4 multiple times when I was a kid.. And since then I can't get rid of the feeling that the ships in the game look oddly familiar..

Any chance there is a background story behind their design or just a coincidence?

[crisp heath]

So these are 40ks battle cruisers

Notice anything similar?

This isn't to say they stole the design.

Many Space games do this

[wooden ridge]

Seems like you can't just make an iron-looking ship nowadays

[crisp heath]

They're meant to look like these, in space

And perform the same functions.

These rammed other ships, so their fronts were super heavy and strong. Tall command deck, long design for maximum weapons placement.

It's just what works

[wooden ridge]

Can't deny that WW1 dreadnoughts were the main inspiration point but I still can't help myself without seeing them as giant irons

[crisp heath]

Lol I agree

BTW, looking at the ones I highlighted, and from a distance all I can see are hand cannons lol

And all I'm imagining is the emperors ghost, whenever there's some big space battle, is actually just using these as pistols to fight other big bad ghosts using their ship pistols lol

Hell honestly, the shark class looks like a mini gun kinda lol

[wooden ridge]

Haha, I swear I've seen somewhere a design where a ship was actually a giant cannon and potentially if there was an entity large enough it would use it as a hand held weapon

[crisp heath]

I'm saying man lolol

Just imagine piloting your ship, and some big bad eldritch Space monster just claims you as his new nine iron lol

[nocturne crest]

So could you make a navigator into a servitor navigator?

[crisp heath]

I doubt it

They'd really need their cognition for their tasks

They could obviously be mechanically enhanced

But I doubt they'd get the full work up

They need their precious Grey matter intact

[verbal path]

That'd probably piss off the Noble houses pretty fiercely if they tried.

[crisp heath]

This too

Immensely

[tulip brook]

they ARE nobles and they have MANY rich and powerful houses. there aren't many people courageous enough to slightly annoy navigators, not alone thinking about kidnapping and lobotomizing them to see if it works better that way.

navigator houses have wars with each other involving armies and assassins. they aren't random members of the ship's crew

[verbal path]

Ya, hence why trying to turn a Navigator into a servitor would piss them off fierce since not only did you servitor one of their members, more importantly you're trying to subvert their power and purpose.

Even the Emperor had to conduct the Webeay project under so many wraps since he knew the Navigator Houses would be incredibly livid.

[zenith hill]

...how stupid big is a mega bolter bolt

[gaunt sable]

......Okay.
So here's a fun question.

Do Sanctioned Psykers get paid?

[celest dome]

The one that Titan have ?

[zenith hill]

Yep

Like, I just want a comparison of how big that thing is, because in my head it's essentially rapid-fire 150s

[storm jungle]

Nope, service is payment.

[gaunt sable]

Yeah but we know Imperial Guardsmen get paid. xD

[storm jungle]

Kinda

most dont

you just fight and do what you are told

[dense salmon]

Being a member of the imperial guard has its benefits

When youre not fighting

[storm jungle]

Psykers are looked upon by others as freaks and witches, so its even worse.

[dense salmon]

Free Healthcare, meals every day

[celest dome]

They might get some pocket money, but it most likely depend on the Regiment/post

[gaunt sable]

Points to Gaunts Ghosts and Ciaphus Caine novels were Guardsmen are said to get money.

[tough haven]

In not getting fed to the funny chair, yeah

[storm jungle]

Thats just Abnett not following lore and Cain is a really bad source for lore accuracy.

[dense salmon]

And if you serve well your children can have a genuinely good life and education

[gaunt sable]

40k's idea of canon is very loose you know. :p

[storm jungle]

Ehhh with Abnett he just doesn't listen. Cain is just stupid.

[zenith hill]

What you talking about, Cain is a super reliable narrator!

[tough haven]

Guardsman are members of blessed humanity though, and psykers are cursed freaks, only able to gain worth through service to the God Emperor

[storm jungle]

a lot of people complain about the "Abnettverse" being a thing as it is

[dense salmon]

I find cain to be pretty consistent until necrons get involved

[storm jungle]

but yeah basically this

[gaunt sable]

Saying, "Abnett isn't following the lore and Mitchells stuff isn't accurate." is sort of a disservice to two extremely popular writers whose material has massively influenced the setting. (And are also way less grimderp then normal.)

[dense salmon]

It's a much more rowan atkinson take on the imperial guard

If you like the cain novels you'd probably like blackadder

[gaunt sable]

Your aware that one of those cursed freaks is a member of the High Lords right? :V

[dense salmon]

I wouldn't go as far to call the cain novels comedy

Because they are pretty brutal and gorey

Which is what the average guardsman can expect

But it's refreshing after reading some of the heavier stuff

That being said some lines in the books are knee slappers

[green loom]

It's less that it's inaccurate I think and more that Abnett-verse stuff is it's own flavour of 40k

[dense salmon]

Like cain constantly getting distracted by a governor's daughter's cleavage

[storm jungle]

A lot of people have made the point that due to his status as a legacy writer Abnett just writes whatever he feels like it at times and creates annoying issues throughout his book series'.

Disservice or not, not respecting the boundries of a universe sometimes can get a bit glaring, this isn't jst a "me" thing.

[green loom]

Where Abby plays fast and loose with the rules

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Male writer moment lol

[green loom]

It's half the reason his books are great tbf and you can easily just roll with that for homebrew stuff

[tough haven]

More an exception to the rule than anything else

To 90% of the population, psykers are hated, reviled things

[dense salmon]

Lol

[tough haven]

Or, a faithful and accurate representation of Cain’s character

[dire swan]

Probably both

[gaunt sable]

I find that argument really limiting though?
Abnett has been a writer for the Black Library since the 90's.
And his material has been pretty pivotal to the franchise and usually held up as some of the better writing and source of worldbuilding.
Sandy Mitchells stuff is nearly that old and holds almost as much weight as Abnett's stuff.

[gaunt sable]

I do like blackadder. :V

[dense salmon]

The only times sandy Mitchell's writing falls apart with new lore is any time he talks about necrons

And sometimes his characterization of space marines is

Questionabl

[viral halo]

Commisar Cain is so fucking hot it’s unreal

[green loom]

It really is just Blackadder's motley crew in a 40k dress lol

except there's a hot lady

[gaunt sable]

I mean. That's ALL the writers though. >.>
They nearly all go off and do their own thing. Abnett's just popular and prolific enough that he get's more projects to write on.

[storm jungle]

Abnett goes extremely off the point.

Because he knows nobody can touch him

if you are like a mid-level BL author meanwhile editors tend to make sure you dont do anything too "wild"

[gaunt sable]

Probably maybe both.
Amberly Vail is checking over his 'Memoirs' and is extremely unamused whenever he does stuff like that.

[celest dome]

To the person asking the Calibre of the Vulcan Mega Bolter, it's not stated but it should be the same calibre as a tank shell

[viral halo]

Abnett is the Stephen king of BL

Responsible for major success but derails sometimes

And boy can that man fill pages with descriptions

But hot damn I love his books

[gaunt sable]

Your not entirely wrong, but I wouldn't say your entirely right either.
Most of 40k as a franchise is incredibly fast and loose with lore and canonicty and things can change rather radically from author to author. Especially in the case of tone.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again to a point.

Theres boundaries you don't really go out of. I'm talking less about canon and more just not turning it into a confusing word-fest.

[gaunt sable]

Sure you might have editors that stop a writer from doing anything really wild or out there. But other times they'll let them get away with some breaking stuff.

[storm jungle]

Abnett does it again with the End and the Death books I'm currently reading and its legit dreadful.

💀

[gaunt sable]

Abnett does a lot better when he's working with a more limited scope.

[verbal path]

A bit bigger than a heavy bolter round.

[gaunt sable]

When he does epic/sweeping stuff his work suffers a lot.

Or at least it's more hit/miss.

[zenith hill]

But does it do more damage than my 45 acp?

[gaunt sable]

Eeeeh. Is that with his newer novels?

[viral halo]

Speaking of abnett, im moving along malus darkblade-fantastic series. I’ve got 200 dollars of dark elf models in my eBay cart Bc of you

[verbal path]

No. The .45 remains the strongest gun. It even survives into 40k.

[gaunt sable]

I think part of that problem is because a lot of his stuff with 'Cron's was written back before their lore got completely rejiggered.

[zenith hill]

NO WAY REALLY

[verbal path]

Yes.

[green loom]

This really is a warhammer moment

[verbal path]

The 1911 still exists.

[zenith hill]

Praise John Browning, the true god

[verbal path]

[gaunt sable]

Well in one of the novels we see an antique toy store with a toy rocket ship with CCCP on it. :V

[green loom]

I'm almost done with a big art thing

[gaunt sable]

So we know ye olde relics from pre-space flight still exist.

[green loom]

In one of the siege books marines go through Malcador's collections iirc and just find a ton of references to current day

[dense salmon]

It's mostly just certain necron units he describes that dont exist anymore or function differently from his description

[gaunt sable]

And that's in his newer books?

[celest dome]

Malcador has Sputnik and the Mona Lisa iirc

[green loom]

I can't remember if it's fan lore but the Admech supposedly have the Skull of Nikola Tesla?

[gaunt sable]

(I haven't read the newer stuff. The last one I read was when he was retired and working in the Schola and suddenly NECRONS!)

[dense salmon]

I've only read up to book 10

[verbal path]

The M1919 and M2 still live on as well as stubbers / heavy stubbers

[dense salmon]

But if you want to get a broad perception of what serving in the imperial guard is like, and what commissars are like

Yarrick is a better example than cain

[gaunt sable]

That was Caine's Last Stand?

[celest dome]

Yes it's a relic they can (could) use on the TT

[gaunt sable]

That was like. 2008

[storm jungle]

[viral halo]

I was in the process of starting a high elves army and now I’m finishing my dark elves army from childhood! You menace!

[zenith hill]

...Horus should have just shot Big E with the .45

[dense salmon]

Cain's last stand is book 3 i think

Book 10 is choose your enemies

[verbal path]

True. No need for warp powers to destroy his soul when .45 can do it.

[gaunt sable]

Ah, that's 2018

[dense salmon]

I do think sandy Mitchell is an excellent writer

And his writing style is very immersive

Humor is infused in a lot of 40k

Do you think recaf is similar to earl grey?

[gaunt sable]

Pretty sure it's a coffee analog.

[dense salmon]

Functionally, sure

But recaf is tea

[gaunt sable]

Checks
So in Dark Heresy TTRPG, Psykers do get paid. :V

[tough haven]

The true omnissiah

[dense salmon]

I believe it, however your average psyker is not living to spend that money

JOHN MOSES BROWNING

MASTER CRAFTSMAN OF TERRA

[tough haven]

Ah yes, Ghazghuls grod

[warm notch]

I’m pretty sure there are teas that still exist alongside recaf

[dense salmon]

There are

[warm notch]

I wonder how bad morale would get in the Imperium if they prohibited Recaf

[tough haven]

That’s what I like in it though

[warm notch]

Or just anything that provides Caffeine

[dense salmon]

I only say earl gray because it's a caffeinated morning tea

[warm notch]

🤔

[warm notch]

Love Earl grey

[dense salmon]

My favorite tea is lavender and cardamom

There is a tea shop in annapolis that sells the blend

[gaunt sable]

The new TTRPG Malleus Maledictum also indicates that Psykers are paid.

[dense salmon]

I go there every few months to stock up

[warm notch]

That sounds good

I just drink whatever’s in the house really

[dense salmon]

I buy it, but it is slightly moot because most psykers won't live to the first paycheck

[warm notch]

Earl Grey is really flavorful even without honey or sugar

[dense salmon]

I just love lavender

Everything i use has lavender in it

Soap, lotion, deodorant, cologne, etc

[warm notch]

Lavender is great but not great as something to eat

I remember having lavender infused coffee or whatever

It was way too strong and unpleasant

[dense salmon]

It's an acquired taste

[warm notch]

I was gagging for my life 😭

[dense salmon]

I am curious to know what the pay grade looks like for sanctioned psykers seeing as they fall adjacent to typical command structure

THe rest of the guard is pretty 1:1 to real-world pay grades

[gaunt sable]

They probably get paid by the AAT

We know the AAT makes oodles of cash via Astropaths.

[warm notch]

How does that even work when the imperium doesn’t have a central economy with a unified currency

I assume soldiers frequently move around planets*

[gaunt sable]

Guardsmen probably get paid in whatever sector of space they happen to be in.

[dense salmon]

Yeah the pay probably depends on the regiment and the domain of the imperium

[gaunt sable]

And theirs probably brisk work to be done in currency exchange.

[verbal path]

Payment of guardsmen probably varies hard. Like the Death Korp probably don't care about money while the Jopalls snort that shit up.

[warm notch]

Man

[gaunt sable]

Soldiers get paid in some scrip then go to a money changer to get it swapped out to whatever they want/need.

[warm notch]

I wonder how much my diamantine can go for in universe

[dense salmon]

We know that retirement for guardsmen can be pretty cushy

[warm notch]

Will I be rich

[dense salmon]

And that the children of decorated guardsman are given the best

[warm notch]

I thought there was no retirement lol

[verbal path]

Probably.

[gaunt sable]

Like I said. In the case of Psykers? They probably get a stipend from the AAT.

[warm notch]

Or they still serve in other ways

[dense salmon]

Plenty of books describe guardsmen retiring

Yarrick's grandfather is a veteran sergeant

[gaunt sable]

We know from a lot of novels that Astropaths and Sanctioned Psykers are passed out to whoever can pay.

[dense salmon]

Though he was discharged

That being said

[verbal path]

Some guard regiments retire. Some don't. Generally most are promised retirement with a winking face because you'll probably die before then.

[dense salmon]

The militarum can pull people from retirement whenever

But the same is true for real world militaries

[gaunt sable]

And we know that private citizens can use the services of Astropaths (And probably Sanctioned Psykers.) for pay.

[dense salmon]

At least the American armed forces

[gaunt sable]

The AAT gets the money and then redistributes some of it to the Psykers in their employ.

[dense salmon]

Hell, civilian ships can be commissioned by the militarum if need arises

[gaunt sable]

Yep.

[dense salmon]

In which case they'd likely be paid AND supplied astropaths

[gaunt sable]

Point is that Psykers probably get paid for their work by the Adeptus Astra Telepathika.

[dense salmon]

Good thing only 5% of psykers actually get that money

What they would do with it is beyond me

[gaunt sable]

Depends on what their doing?
I'd imagine if like. A Battle Psyker is in a Militarium Regiment and said regiment is on Leave they can do stuff like buy luxury goods, good meals and the like.

[dense salmon]

They generally are kept on a short leash

So any time of levity is likely supervised

[gaunt sable]

How short a leash probably depends on a lot of factors.

Including how Stable the Psyker is.

[dense salmon]

A more distinguished psyker might have more leeway, but not much

It depends on the regiment, the command staff, etc

[gaunt sable]

Like I said. Probably depends on the individual Psyker, the Sector their in, the regiment, the individual Officers and Commissars and the like.

A Psyker whose super stable, doesn't have that much in the way of mental instability and doesn't have a record of behavioral or disciplinary issues could have a pretty long leash, especially if their in a 'Liberal' Sector and Regiment.

[warm notch]

Don’t you need to be a little insane to use the warp

[gaunt sable]

From the handful of novels and stuff we see from their perspective? No.

Mental Instability isn't exactly uncommon. But it's not required

The one novel I read recently was from the perspective of a freshly minted Primaris Psyker. (Who was made a Primaris Psyker at the end of her formal training at the Psykana.) And she was extremely well put together.

Another novel I read recently had an entire coterie of Sanctioned Psykers.

Only one of them was what one would call 'Mentally Unstable.'

With the rest either eccentric or normal.

[warm notch]

Ah okay

[gaunt sable]

I mean. Even look at the Psykers in Darktide.
The Savant is extremely mentally sound.

[echo vault]

How would you introduce death powers (Warhammer fantasy death, necromancy, nagash, vampires) into 40k? Since there's equivalents but idk how should it compare

[gaunt sable]

Loner is a little 'Out there' but not extremely so.

And the Seer is a bit of a cloud cuckoolander but is more super eccentric then anything.

(And IS probably talking to the GEOM. So he's not nearly as crazy as he sounds.)

But yeah.
It pays to remember that Sanctioned Psykers are generally the one's that ARE mentally stable or stable enough to more or less function safely in the Imperium.

[warm notch]

GEOM?

[gaunt sable]

The one's that have way too many bats in the belfry are either killed out of hand, Throne Kibble or turned into Light House Fuel.

[gaunt sable]

God Emperor of Mankind

[warm notch]

We should list off all the official names, official nicknames, and fan nicknames

I want to be obnoxious when I mention big E

[storm jungle]

Necromancy exists in 40k and so does Vampires

but like you said its mostly equilavents and not a huge thing

[celest dome]

Depend on how you want it to act, but for the most part either Sorcery or puppetry

[warm notch]

Also werewolves (?)

[dense salmon]

While I would imagine a few psykers get a lot of leeway, even removing the general superstition associated with psykers, them being closely monitored is a matter of safety

[storm jungle]

Thats for the spacewolves ye

they suck tho so

[dense salmon]

They are genuine dangers to the general population

[queen laurel]

I mean you can just homebrew them in some planet that has a specialized disease but we already have werewolf space marines

And the lucky ones that got the disease can control the transformations

[warm notch]

Heretic

I’m going to morb

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[dense salmon]

And there really is no telling when a psyker will break and cause a daemonic incursion or go in a warp-infused mushroom cloud

[warm notch]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-im-about-to-morb-its-morbin-time-morbius-sweep-marvel-gif-25782014

[queen laurel]

If it weren't for space marine laws i would have killed every single space wolf there is

[dense salmon]

Yeah rhe space wolves have genuine werewolves

[warm notch]

Not the space furries

[echo vault]

Yee I'm just trying to think about the types of how

[warm notch]

😭

[storm jungle]

well in this cast its just Wolf

they weren't Were before

💀

vampires though are a lot funnier

literal monsters from the Warp

and the reason we have vampire mythos IRL apparently because they were among humanity

[warm notch]

Are they sexy sparkly vampires

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[queen laurel]

No

[verbal path]

No.

[storm jungle]

they can disguise themselves to look sexy

does that count

[warm notch]

Are they sexy vampires

[queen laurel]

They can look sexy but their true forms might make you psychologically insane

[gaunt sable]

That encapsulates most of the Imperium. :V

[warm notch]

So sexy?

[storm jungle]

CHRIST

I ANSWERED THE QUESTION

[queen laurel]

Ehh give or take a few bombs i suppose

[verbal path]

[storm jungle]

THEY CAN IF THEY WANT TO

[warm notch]

Fair

[storm jungle]

AAAA-

also jokes aside

[warm notch]

I exist only to annoy

[gaunt sable]

An Adminstratum Scribe with a grudge could consign entire worlds to ruin with a few penstrokes and stamps. :V

[storm jungle]

theres a really good horror story about one

[storm jungle]

Who would do such a thing

[warm notch]

Lol I wonder how many worlds were ruined because a scribe had an “oopsie” and misplaced a 0

[gaunt sable]

Yes.

[queen laurel]

"Fuck you butch"

-me accidentally causing an accident in the supply lines starving his planet

[gaunt sable]

As in. A LOT.

[verbal path]

They'll be dead by the time it takes effect though.

[gaunt sable]

It's the plot to more then a few novels and short stories.

[storm jungle]

You mean the people the supplies went to or the scribe?

[warm notch]

Who knew the fascist interplanetary bureaucracy was a bureaucratic mess

[gaunt sable]

The 'Thing in the Rain' is literally about a cracked Scribe that started fucking around with everything to cause as much damage as possible.

[storm jungle]

yeah she was literally a serial killer

[queen laurel]

Shh, i can hear the imperium fans crawling in the walls

[verbal path]

Probably both, tbh

[storm jungle]

No warp or any chaos involvement btw

[gaunt sable]

Stuff like sending supplies too late to Guard Regiments, swapping ammo and food around, sending medical or relief supplies too late and etc.

[storm jungle]

she was just a psychopath

[warm notch]

🤢

[storm jungle]

Got her good in the end though

[warm notch]

Wow

[gaunt sable]

Yep. :V

[warm notch]

That’s wild

[verbal path]

That one guy in gen chat who thinks the Imperium is a legit good place to live

[warm notch]

Bureaucrats man

I remember when I was working for a tax service and I mistyped a person’s SSN

[gaunt sable]

But yeah.
My point is that Sanctioned Psykers might be 'dangerous' but that same arguement applies to massive amounts of the human population.

[warm notch]

And now that person couldn’t access their bank accounts

And uhhh

[queen laurel]

There are a lot of novels depicting how incompetent the imperium it's people are, like in brutal cunning the tech priests are so f****** dumb you wouldn't even think they are tech priests

[dense salmon]

There's also the navigators

[warm notch]

Aren’t tech priests just huge nerds

[queen laurel]

For people designed to understand multiple scenarios and calculations

[gaunt sable]

Also some of it is a little....Overblown.
How often do we run into a Psyker Inquisitor whose more or less sane, stable and etc? (I mean, as much as any Inquistor can be?)

[storm jungle]

also psykers might be dangerous but people don't realise its entirely the Imperium's fault for them to mostly explode/go rogue/cause mayhem since even if they turn themselves in they basically get torured to be power conduits.

"Oh they can go mad with power and doom entire plants"

Okay so like every high ranking person in the Imperium?

[gaunt sable]

They don't have any leashes or minders looking over their shoulder.

[queen laurel]

Yeah but these ones are incredibly f****** stupid it's not even funny

[gaunt sable]

Pretty much.

[storm jungle]

Psykers basically never get educated properly or be shown any humanity.

[gaunt sable]

A lot of material points out that the constant feelings of fear, hatred and social alienation Psykers feel slowly pushes them over the edge.

[warm notch]

in a “how did they even become tech priests?” Type of way?

[queen laurel]

Yes

They are f****** incompetent as shit

Do you know how?

[storm jungle]

To go back to Dark Heresy again, if you are playing a psyker you got an entire board of PTSD/Trauma experiences to pick from being the Telepathica schools that can affect your character

[dense salmon]

The only psykers generally treated well are the navigators and the ones attached to the inquisition

Marine librarians notwithstanding

Navigators are given a LOOOOT of special treatment

[gaunt sable]

Those lists were sadly cut in later game lines and DH2.

[verbal path]

Navigator Houses swing their clout at anyone that inconveniences them

[gaunt sable]

Also in M.M.

[warm notch]

It’s kinda bonkers how guardsmen veterans can just materialize a grenade out of nowhere every 60 seconds from their asses in 40k

[gaunt sable]

Shame because a lot were interesting.

[queen laurel]

The imperium is never going to be grateful with something that isn't human, i bet your cheese the moment that they can replace navigators with better machines they will do in a heartbeat

[verbal path]

I'm built different.

[warm notch]

Makes me wonder why the imperium loses so often

[storm jungle]

They ate gunpowder for breakfast 💀

[verbal path]

They tried.

[gaunt sable]

The Guardsmen is actually a Psyker.

And they just keep 'finding' grenades on their person.

[warm notch]

*Every 60 seconds

[gaunt sable]

The same way Agun Soric kept having brass message tubes show up in his pocket.

[verbal path]

The Emperor's Webway project was the break the reliance on Navigators. That's why he did it in secret because they'd throw the mother of all hells if they found out.

[storm jungle]

the Emperor trying to get the Navigators to not notice hes building the Webway is like you as an inventor trying not to get assassinated by car companies for finding a vehicle that doesn't need to use petrol/normal fuels

[warm notch]

Or a 5% chance on kill

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Magnus posing on the side about to f*** it up

[dense salmon]

20th century inventors trying to guard their patents without getting sued or slandered by Thomas Edison

[gaunt sable]

Looks at how Abhumans are treated in general

Yep.

[dense salmon]

Magnus didnt just fuck it up, he slam dunked it and broke the fucking backboard

[storm jungle]

POV: You getting "sued" 💀

[warm notch]

Oh no Skibidi toilet was murdered????

[storm jungle]

oh my god

💀

[warm notch]

Why wasn’t he in the toilet

[dense salmon]

Another class of psyker treated well are the ones that operate titans

But those ones really don't live long

Due to the burden of operating a titan

[queen laurel]

Not for Psy titans

Because you know they get used as batteries for the weapons systems of it

[dense salmon]

Another thing

[verbal path]

"My Father hated the lie as much as I did. He knew the Imperium could not last as long as its foundations were knee-deep in the warp. It was necessary to use these mutants and witches, but they could not be allowed to endure. They would be passing tools, like the warriors of thunder that united Terra – blades that would grow blunt and be cast aside." ON Thunder Warriors the Navigators

[dense salmon]

Although psykers are fed to the emperor

It's not entirely a bad outcome for them

They live among the emperor in the astronomicon vs being devoured by daemons

[gaunt sable]

Anyyyyyywaaaaay my ultimate point is that Sanctioned Psykers are more often then not stable. The one's that WEREN'T stable (Whether it was an inability to control their powers, mentally or emotionally unstable and etc.) got BLAM-ed, made into Throne Kibble or turned to Light House Fuel ages ago.

We've been seeing a lot of lore and characters showing altogether mentally stable Psykers for quite a while now.

[dense salmon]

I would say the majority of psykers are still getting field executed or blowing up after one deployment

The ones that live long and are named are the exceptional ones

[gaunt sable]

With the 'worst' case examples being Psykers that are just weird, eccentric or protrayed as not being neurotypical.

[verbal path]

They're mostly only unstable due to freak unluckiness

And explode.

[gaunt sable]

That's stupidly wasteful.

[dense salmon]

Of course it is, but most of them wind up killing themselves

[gaunt sable]

And would probably have the Commissar responsible be given a serious review.

[dense salmon]

The bolt pistol is a mercy

[dense salmon]

Commissars have an insane amount of authority in these matters

[gaunt sable]

True but not unlimited.

[dense salmon]

They bypass the entire command structure

[verbal path]

Commissars execute the psykers when they're power surging out of control, not at the drop of a hat.

[gaunt sable]

If they were just blamming Psykers at a massive rate their would probably be an investigation as to why.

Because Psykers are regardless of how else someone might feel about them an incredibly precious tactical and strategic resource.

[queen laurel]

Yeah i mean they are a risk but the benefits more often than not outweigh the negatives

[dense salmon]

Of course they are, 95% of psykwrs are only precious for one-time use seeing as once they're actually pressed to use their powers in a meaningful way, they either tap out or become uncontrollable

[gaunt sable]

That represent years a lot of investure of time and resources. Not to mention years of training, gear and augmentation .

[misty brook]

One inqusitior tried to kill billions of psykers at the same time on different planets. This was in order to close the great rift, by overloading the Astropaths stationed with a psychic drug that made their power overload.

[dense salmon]

A psyker might divine a winning strategy

Or telepathically deduce the enemy positions

Or zap an enemy gun emplacement

And then shortly thereafter either have their heads explode or be shot just before their heads explode

In the best circumstance

[gaunt sable]

Psykers being a 'One Shot Johnny' is insane and not supported anywhere.

Psykers get 4-5 years of training just to learn to properly and safely control their abilities.

Their not being deployed to a combat zone and getting Blammed after a single deployment or mission.

[misty brook]

They can always take drugs that can dampen their powers too. Then again that is only a temporary solution.

The only problem with that though, those drugs are made out of Psykers themselves in the compounds.

[dense salmon]

There's a ton of precedent for it, wdym? In the opening of darktide alone we see an astropath fry himself

[verbal path]

Ya, the inquisitor was a radical and the plan was shut down before it started by another Inquisitor

[gaunt sable]

The idea that, "Okay. The Psyker used the Tarot once to divine the enemy position." Or, "The Psyker nuked a machine gun emplacement. That's about all we're going to get out of them."
Cocks Bolt Pistol is just LUDICROUS.

[dense salmon]

The astropaths making up the majority of sanctioned psykers

You misunderstand

The commissar isn't disposing of them after they've filled their one time use

I'm saying the psyker is not durable enough in most circumstances to serve a protracted capacity

[warm notch]

I wonder what corpsestarch is made out of

[dense salmon]

And if the commisar recognizes the psyker is at their limit, will deliver the emperor's mercy

[verbal path]

A mix of everything

[queen laurel]

edible material they can shove in a can

[dense salmon]

Chaos psykers are generally WAY more durable than average sanctioned

The ones that actually can survive using their powers for very long are gamma or primaris

[misty brook]

Most of the time though the Pysker kill themselves by overexertion...

[dense salmon]

And even they don't live very long

[gaunt sable]

Psykers get about 4-5 years minimum to learn to safely use their powers.
Some Psykana Campuses and specialists do even more training.
The idea that they almost immediately burn out when being deployed to combat is just....Nuts. And it's not supported anywhere.

[misty brook]

Especially if they drink Nurgel's Koolaid.

[gaunt sable]

And even if it were true then it's just bad writing. Because why invest that much time and resources into a Sanctioned Psyker if they burn out that quickly?

[verbal path]

The Imperium is not the paragon of efficiency

[gaunt sable]

It most certainly isn't. But there's inefficiency and then theirs INEFFICIENCY.

[verbal path]

See those giant macro cannons on their ships? Those are loaded via slave labor instead of autoloaders.

[dense salmon]

With astropaths, there is an effort to keep them alive and functional

With that said, astropaths die like flies

[misty brook]

They can be used as a weapon too, unforunately...

[dense salmon]

As bad as it is now

It used to be worse

Old lore had astropaths be tortured to death to produce a Gellar field

[gaunt sable]

If the overwhelming majority of trained Sanctioned Psykers either imploded or have to be put down after a single deployment then either the Imperium would make the AAT and their sanctioned psyker program smaller to focus on the ones they can get the most use out of or just use them for Throne Kibble and Light House Oil because otherwise their just wasting everyone's time.

[misty brook]

A Deathguard Psyker used them to spread a Nurgle plague which strecthed out of time, because the warp isn't linear. So their psychic messages carry the metaphysical sickness en route to other worlds.

[gaunt sable]

Pretty sure that's no longer the case outside of an author wanting to show how backward and grimderp 40k can be.

[verbal path]

The Imperium does attrition like this all the time. Lots of sanctioned psykers often die after their first deployment. If a sanctioned psyker is deployed, things aren't good.

[verbal path]

It's still the case afaik

[gaunt sable]

That's once again more of a writing problem meant to convey high stakes. Sort of like how the Aeldari are a small and 'Dying Race' but either get their asses handed to them constantly and taking insane casualties they can't afford to take (Until the next time.)

[misty brook]

Well that's the Craftworld, most of time. Which is kinda funny nowawdays. Their lore is stuck in a cliffhanger now.

[gaunt sable]

It was a huge complaint in Warhammer Fantasy where the Elves were a 'Dying Race' but also paradoxically had the numbers to fight gigantic wars that could see tens of thousands of dead every other week.

[verbal path]

The Mechanicus does use autoloaders but only for their ships. The Imperial Navy makes do with slaves.

[green loom]

Wooo I have finished the thing

[verbal path]

Thing = finished.

[gaunt sable]

It's been a perennial writing problem for like....Ever.
Because the writers want to show how serious a situation is in a codex so.
"Let's kill another Craft world!" Or, "A million Astropaths died!" (And how pray tell hasn't the Imperium collapsed yet when the folks keeping FTL comms running all suddenly die?)

[misty brook]

I wonder why they don't give Ogryns Heavy Bolters. I mean they can use it without getting their arms blown off by the recoil.

[verbal path]

Too mechanically complex or something.

[dense salmon]

It's just the setting I guess. I'm personally in the camp that wishes the psykers had an easier life because I think they're awesome

[misty brook]

Well Humanity is evolving to become a Psyker race. Blame that on the Old Ones.

[dense salmon]

We could argue about how ineffective the imperium is at handling things but that's usually the point of the story

[dense salmon]

If the emperor had his way, every living human would be a psyker

[verbal path]

There's another astropath ready to replace them or there isn't and the place is fucked.

[gaunt sable]

You have entire Astropathic Choirs getting fucked.

[misty brook]

Not really. Reason why he build his webway project, so that Humanity wouldn't need to use the warp for FTL travel. So in the webway, pyskers can't use their powers to draw in demons too.

[gaunt sable]

And Astropaths canocally are made on Earth.

And if I recall correctly are made in lots of 1000

[dense salmon]

Every sanctioned psyker has been to Terra and soul-bound

[gaunt sable]

1. No.
2. No.

[verbal path]

They're made in larger batches than 1000.

[dense salmon]

1. Yes
2. Yes

A psyker isn't considered sanctioned until they've been soul-bound to the emperor

[gaunt sable]

New Lore pretty explicitly states that the, "All Sanctioned Psykers are taken to Terra." Is a white lie.

Soul Binding isnt done on every Sanctioned Psyker.

[verbal path]

Soul binding is for astropaths

Not all sanctioned psykers have been to Terra.

[gaunt sable]

It's just on either Astropaths or Psykers that need that little extra boost to be useful.

[dense salmon]

The majority of sanctioned psykers are astropaths, "every" may be a misnomer, but the overwhelming majority are

[misty brook]

Besides the rest that are used as batteries for the Golden Throne to light the Astronimicon.

[gaunt sable]

There's lore that states that some non-astropath Psykers are soul bound to the Emperor. It's just not as common and generally reserved for Psykers that meet all the other criteria but just need a few more guard rails.

[verbal path]

Soul binding is just to protect Psykers who need to do long distance communications and blinds them.

[gaunt sable]

Like I said. There's lore that states some Sanctioned Psykers get souls bound. It's not as common and has sort of faded to the background.

[misty brook]

Some Psyker really have strong wills not to let demons in or be overwhelmed by their powers like the Primaris Psykers. Though those are rare to come by.

[dense salmon]

Even gamma tier are exceptional

My entire point is that most are not long lived and don't serve in any long, protracted capacity. That said they are invaluable and the astropaths at least are kept on rejuvenate for as long as they can naturally live

New lore from a sanctioned perspective could give us more insight into how they fall in the chain of command, the extent of their living circumstances, etc

[dense salmon]

These ones could live for centuries. But they are prone to frying themselves

The galaxy is a huge place. Even as a minority, the psyker population is relatively teeming

And it's only growing in percentage

[warm notch]

Psykers are usually just humans who were born able to use the warp

Right?

How common is it for normal people to just awaken to it

[dense salmon]

They're a small minority. In recent lore with the great rift, more psykers are "awakening" than before

[dense salmon]

More or less

[warm notch]

Aye

[verbal path]

More common now.

[jade holly]

That gets mentioned in game doesn’t it?

Through dialogue between characters?

The Great Awakening?

[dense salmon]

Yes, I forget which personality type brings it up

[jade holly]

I think it’s a Zealot

And a Psyker

[dense salmon]

The natural progression to more psykers in the galaxy would be more psyker lore

[warm notch]

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/dev-blog-the-carnival-level-design

I didn’t know that Dan Abbnet worked with the level design team

Huh

His work really is more than just “write plot for paycheck”

That’s cool to see how involved he is

Can’t wait to see more

[warm notch]

Cuz lets be real the traitor subplot sucks lol

[knotty shadow]

I mean it had potential

But the execution was so bad that well

[arctic talon]

Amogus plot was bad

[storm jungle]

I have been banned from r40klore for 7 days.

Finally, I am free

[forest orbit]

Lmao what did you do

[storm jungle]

Uh asked some questions regarding a book, got like a ton of people just saying "Go read the book." in the most redditor way imaginable and that I should have time for it if I also had time to make this 5 minute post apparently.

[forest orbit]

Let me guess, did you tell them to fuck off

[storm jungle]

YEP

Automod picked it up since I got the gamer-rage

[green loom]

There should be a rule for responses like that ngl

Not that 40klore is well run anyway

[storm jungle]

Yeah I barely use reddit to begin with so I was just looking for some answers.

[storm jungle]

Yeah the mods are dogshit lol

literally monitor nothing and just never clean up the traffic from repetitive posts

[forest orbit]

PRIMARCHPRIMARCHPRIMARCHPRIMARCH

[storm jungle]

^

[dense salmon]

Wear your reddit bans like a badge of honor

[storm jungle]

Hell yeah my dude

[dense salmon]

Getting banned from grimdank is like a star of terra

[storm jungle]

God I need to try that, i never go there anymore so this could actually help.

notes for later

[forest orbit]

yeah you will legit lose nothing tbh

every 40k subreddit is pretty dogshit

lore/grimdank are deffo the worst

[dense salmon]

You get to read some of the shittiest takes

But also you have a repository to uhm ackshully someone with a reddit search

[storm jungle]

Yeah grimdank is just grimdank.

[storm jungle]

Lore is mostly fine but the nature of the subreddit itself is pretty... well redditor lol

so you are on point

[dense salmon]

Reddit as a whole is okay but I'll headbutt a bolter round before I ever call myself a redditor

[forest orbit]

Same

[storm jungle]

Same

my main reddit account's only purpose is when I get a meme idea and want to post it somewhere lmao

which is like... months or weeks in-between

[dense salmon]

I use reddit to look at cyber stuff

[spare osprey]

i enjoy imaginarywarhammer but even then almost every other post is just horny.

[dense salmon]

To answer questions I have

[forest orbit]

YEP

[dense salmon]

Legit reddit actually helped me a ton with my degree

Dont tell any future employers that

[storm jungle]

Yeah actual other subject subreddits are good

[celest dome]

I do use reddit, but it's not something to be proud of

[forest orbit]

deffo not lmao

[dense salmon]

Using reddit and being a redditor are two different things

[forest orbit]

Yeah its fine when you are using it for actual subjects or fixes and shit

compared to like Dilara who asked a question and got bodypiled by redditors

[dense salmon]

Your average redditor legit is praying for the day they can "☝️🤓" you

[storm jungle]

[patent ivy]

😵‍💫

[dense salmon]

The hero reads a most unsettling passage...

[storm jungle]

[patent ivy]

"Do they abort?"

[storm jungle]

WHAT EVEN IS THAT QUESTION DUDE

[marsh berry]

[dense salmon]

This dude buys majorkill calendars every year

[storm jungle]

Noooooo 💀

[forest orbit]

💀

[green loom]

I should go and post my art on reddit again

Did just make a really good psyker

[dense salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-meme-memes-reads-letter-gif-20713760

[storm jungle]

The worst part is

literally this entire post is filled with guys

💀

Im sure they know a lot about pregnancy

[storm jungle]

If its not a space marine-

[green loom]

Also turns out drawing on higher fidelity makes things much easier

[patent ivy]

Majorkill sells calendars?

[green loom]

Ye3

[patent ivy]

I just found his channel last week

[green loom]

Commissions NSFW art for them

[patent ivy]

Bahahaha

Ok that remark makes sense now then

[green loom]

His chief export is drama, bad memes and NSFW content

[dense salmon]

Majorkill is a cool guy but he pushes that nsfw stuff hard

[forest orbit]

^

Like hes fun to listen to?

the problem is hes WAY too competitive

making literal videos where hes like "Heres why my channel is growing and others are not"

like why are you like this lol

[patent ivy]

Does he hire people to model or is this like Fiverr art

[dense salmon]

Majorkill is a cool guy to listen to for an introduction to an aspect of the lore

But he's hardly the credible loremeister he might believe he is

[patent ivy]

Really

Hmm

[marsh berry]

Oh wow he sure loves the n-word

[dense salmon]

But to be fair he usually mentions things in a humorous and non serious way

[green loom]

No that's Arch

[marsh berry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/comments/i9evrs/majorkill_is_not_an_ally/

[green loom]

Oh boy

[marsh berry]

Never heard of the guy so I googled him and this came up

[green loom]

I can't say I'm surprised

[crisp heath]

He's aussie lol. I have a few aussie friends and they're al fairly similar

But I love Majorkill. Him and Leutin have been two of my longtime faves

[dense salmon]

The way he plugs his NSFW merch always makes me laugh

[crisp heath]

Same lol

[patent ivy]

Woah my goodness!

[crisp heath]

Hell all his plugs are pretty funny

[dense salmon]

"Here's the perfect gift for your dad, or one of your mates" like bro who would buy that for someone else

[crisp heath]

I have lol for funnsies

[green loom]

This could be easily misunderstood

[crisp heath]

It's a good laugh

[dense salmon]

You've bought some of his stuff?

Oh you know what

[crisp heath]

Once or twice

[dense salmon]

Majorkill also produces good minis

If you can ever get your hands on something non-eldar

He's just good for bite size lore stuff imo

Amber king is good for long-form narrative content

Weshammer usually will spend more time on a subject

I cant remember the name but there's a YouTube podcast of two dudes talking about 40k lore that are a blast

[spare osprey]

idk i can never really get into wes, really peddled into the thumbnail crowd

big fan of Ian tho

https://www.youtube.com/c/ArbitorIan

really good variety of vids

can go from brief intros to factions or events to well

an entire timeline of the horus heresy and every event which occurred in it

[green loom]

Ian is also very based

[burnt maple]

Share, please!

[green loom]

See #darktide-fan-art

[burnt maple]

Omw.

[dense salmon]

My only real problem with majorkill is the sheer volume of NSFW he pushes and how often he pushes it

But that's neither here nor there

There are worse things to promote

Other than that I find him to be a kinda funny guy, though he can give people a lot of wrong impressions on lore stuff

He's gotten a lot of people interested in jaghatai khan and the white scars which is cool

[storm jungle]

He has definitely clamped down on it but that was majorily due to discord leaks.

I really wish he dropped this weird macho-youtuber persona because hes pretty entertaining to listen to when he isn't being a Dude Bro

[dense salmon]

Is the warhammer+ subscription worth?

I've been eager to watch the last few hammer and bolter episodes but can't find them anywhere online

Fair enough

Thanks

[spare osprey]

sigmarxism are just a buncha butts

[green loom]

I like a lot of their memes

[spare osprey]

hell i saw a post about how the nids are actually a metaphor for the imperium's sexism

like 40k is satire and goes into metaphors a fuck ton

but wow

[crisp heath]

Everyone hates Arch

For many good reasons lol

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-way-it-should-be-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-meant-to-be-this-way-gif-18908166

[crisp heath]

And how you described major kill is kinda why I like him. Like I come from a jockier crowd and he makes it a bit more relatable to me lol

None of the crowd I was around would ever have been into this

[green loom]

Everyone I know is an annoying jock so

[crisp heath]

And it is fair that he has chilled a tiny bit

[green loom]

Strange internet people are way more my style

[crisp heath]

What discord leaks? I hadn't heard of any drama, but I'm not in it either so idk

[green loom]

,

[wintry lintel]

is there a lore reason why I'm attracted to Hadron

[green loom]

I believe the term is necrophilia

[spare osprey]

were you dropped at an early age?

[dense salmon]

Throughout most of high school my friends were either people I played sports with or those whom I shared music interest with

[crisp heath]

Was curious about warhammer + myself

[wintry lintel]

most likely thrown

[dense salmon]

Very few of my friends have a deep interest in warhammer

[spare osprey]

i'm not well versed on your canon

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[green loom]

When I was young I managed to let myself fall off couch onto the foot of a table

[dense salmon]

My girlfriend has taken an interest in warhammer

[green loom]

It could explain some things

[dense salmon]

And she promised if I ever entered a tabletop tourney she'd come

🙂

Darktide is how I introduced her

[crisp heath]

I don't have a reddit account lol

[spare osprey]

i got a friend who likes to say I was dropped on the head as a kid and i bounced right back up

https://tenor.com/view/ball-animation-bouncing-ball-animation-gif-24770436

[dense salmon]

Soft baby bones

[crisp heath]

Oof, made one. Thats... sad to see...

I didn't know that...

That's hella disappointing...

He went from being a funny bad mouthed aussie to something very different....

[dense salmon]

Had a similar accident. Still have the scar

Split my chin open

[misty brook]

Out of the Chaos Gods. I prefer Khorne, because his the most straightforward one, unlike the other three.

[green loom]

I suffered no physical problems

Though it would explain why I have such an issues with headaches

[dense salmon]

I like tzeentch aesthetically

[crisp heath]

Nurgle burgle

[misty brook]

The only person I avoid is Kharn as a Khorne worshipper. Because his literally called the Betrayer.

[snow fern]

Ice cold take, but I think 40k as a setting would be better if the Horus Heresy was never elaborated on.

[storm jungle]

Cold is a good way to put it, reading the Part 2 of the finale 3 book series now and I have many regrets

[dense salmon]

Favorite primarchs?

Mine is magnus

[crisp heath]

the nerd

[snow fern]

Somebody has to have made a count of number of reasonable people who were violenced because they either asked a completely fair and reasonable question or just did their job as expected up to that point?
||Like of course the guy informing Rogal Dorn that Horus turned traitor deserved to have his face turned flat||

||Remember when Magnus was depressed and left his door unlocked so the space furries walked in and did a gender reveal party?||

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon Sangy and Vulcan

Always have been, always will be

[crisp heath]

... she is not ready for the Emperor's glorious light

Shun the unbeliever!

Shun them

[crisp heath]

before we kiss, i have this 12 hour video explaining the lore of 40k to show you

[radiant lance]

What if kissed under the Emperor's gaze 😳

[spare osprey]

Lion

more so now

he was a horrible dad and person but he's getting better

still kill all xenos tho

and he slightly resonates with me as a dude with aspergers

[radiant lance]

I'm from Caliban, and I say kill 'em all

[green loom]

Kill them all

[misty brook]

Jaghatai, second is Vulkan, and third is Mortarion before he fell.

[spark raven]

So warp storms keep some imperium systems and planets isolated and the only known record of them dissipating is when slaanesh came to be. There is still void storms that have been around for centuries so does this mean that other gods are trying to come into creation?

[green loom]

No those just happen

[storm jungle]

yeah Warp Storms are what it says in the name, random storms, sometimes its related to the turmoil in the warp but for the most time they just happen randomly

[misty brook]

And you don't want to be caught in one. You'll be lost in the Warp for a eternity, until you find a opening to get out. Which will likely send you years later in time.

[arctic talon]

You could also just get ripped to shreds by the storm itself

[dense salmon]

Being lost in time is honestly one of the better outcomes

[dense salmon]

i can't tell if this means you're an el johnson fan

[warm notch]

Imagine spending years lost in time and then you come out of the other side 5 minutes later than when you went in

[dense salmon]

i would probably yell like tom from tom and jerry

[spare osprey]

Probably kill all primarchs

[green loom]

I just don't like em

[warm notch]

I mean, what would all that time spent in the warp be like

especially for a normal human

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625J00dtTT4

so do the other forge worlds have to pay tithes to Mars?

[tough haven]

I believe so

[plush mason]

likely just raw materials i would assume

[misty brook]

It would feel like you were there for hours. When in reality it was so much more than that.

[tough haven]

So how does necron emergency teleportation work?

If it works like how I think it does in the lore, necrons should be getting actually killed like 10% of the time

Like to what extent of wounds can they “die” from, phase out, and then get brought back?

[plush mason]

so vampires are real in 40k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHoQzf7eVfA

[arctic talon]

yes, you need to hand over data info mars asks for or else Mars gets pissy

[arctic talon]

A necron shell will phase out if it takes incredibly severe damage

the mind is almost always preserved however

even if you "kill" a necron

the mind will be saved back to the tomb world and shoved into a new body

this potentially causes engram degradation which can lead to a variety of issues

[plush mason]

so the only way to kill a necron for good is to destory the whole tomb world?

[arctic talon]

yep

either that or you manage to cause an accident during engram transport

which is a fuck up on the necron side

[arctic talon]

also unironically this is a good video

even if he's just copying codex entries verbatim

it doesn't have any misinformation in it so far

[verbal fulcrum]

do you think that the skitarii could become a playable reject class?

ive been trying to think up of anything else that could become a reject class

possibly a marine aspirant but thats about it on my end

or ratlings

[arctic talon]

Would just get executed by the chapter

Skitarii would most likely get executed as well on the spot

A tech adept is more likely

[radiant lance]

What if we got a grailknight because someone just suddenly learned about their bretonian ancestry

[arctic talon]

Wrong setting smh

[verbal fulcrum]

sadge

well anything wildly different from what we have would be great

i'll take anything. ratling or tech adept

heck i'll take a tau magically accepted for a penal colony

[radiant lance]

Some office worker named Steve

[arctic talon]

Inb4 we get a data-savant

[verbal fulcrum]

sentry placer

[brisk vine]

We're gonna get a Jokaero

[jade holly]

Playable servo skull

Take it or leave it

[misty brook]

We could get someone that was taught to be a Tech-Priest, but wasn't spiritual enough to be accepted as one by the Mechanicum.

[celest dome]

There can be plenty of reasons why someone that was on the path of becoming a Tech Priest would then be discarded

[radiant lance]

Like being put on a prison ship

[lapis wadi]

Replaced a lightbulb without singing the Hymn of Illumination

[chrome wigeon]

Can someone explain me monstrosities in a nutshell ? Are they made ? Are they from the warp or something ? Is it a mutation ? I only know for demon host that they are possessed by a warp entity.

[celest dome]

The prison would come after that

[celest dome]

Plague Ogryn: Ogryn who are mutated in the same manner as Poxwalker.
Beast of Nurgle: Complete Daemon
Chaos Spawn: Human who got too many blessings and went crazy (Presumably it's a Dreg Rager)

[chrome wigeon]

Thanks man

[winged jacinth]

Im a fan of the rager -> mutant -> spawn theory

[celest dome]

It does make sense, as all 3 have those green tubes

[winged jacinth]

Daemonhosts are made when a sorcerer binds a daemon into a living psyker

[celest dome]

Doesn't need a Psyker, could even do it on a Blanl

Blank*

[chrome wigeon]

What if a very powerful psyker lost control of his power ?

[winged jacinth]

I dont think regular daemonhosts happen naturally

Im pretty sure the daemons pop out in their real form when psykers blow up?

Or its an old fashioned posession

[celest dome]

Daemonhost is a specific type of possession

[winged jacinth]

Daemonhost is like making a daemon engine out of a person

[tulip brook]

Daemons pop up when warp whatever goes too thick or they possess things for a short time

Daemonhost is a specific powerful daemon bound to a host doing the bidding of the summoner

Requires a victim, A lot of warding and sealing, daemon's real name, tedious ritual...

[queen laurel]

there is also Daemon Engines

Which is basically shoving a daemon into an empty machinery to power it

[winged jacinth]

They're conceptually the same i think

[queen laurel]

yeah just having different vessels i suppose

[winged jacinth]

Actually i think daemons want to be engines but not bound into hosts?

[celest dome]

Not exactly, there are cases of machines being possessed but Daemon Engine are special cases

Daemon Engine is more about adding Machines to a daemons rather than the inverse, which also can happen, often times with Titans

[queen laurel]

In Brutal Kunnin there was a daemon that was put in a giant daemon engine that one was summoned through rituals though and had permission and actually agreed to the deal

[winged jacinth]

In the heresy novels daemons get shoved into existing machines a ton

Its presumably easier and or more effective with a purpose built machine because they more or less stopped afaik

[broken zenith]

spooky

[median marsh]

Some demons make deals to become soul grinders, you might be thinking of them

[arctic talon]

it depends

specifcally on what the engine is

Stuff like the soulgrinder is considered a fast way in

[median marsh]

They're kinda funky considering they basically sign a contract

"everything you kill is now corporate forge property"

"if your god attacks us, you are obligated to defend us from your own creator"

[arctic talon]

yeah

Soulgrinders are like

a fast way back to realspace

[lapis wadi]

I imagine not many tzeentchian daemons make the deal compared to the others

Knornate daemon... okay so I don't get to kill things with my bare hands, but I'm still killing things? Sure, I can deal with that.

But tzeenchian ones.. they're now bound by a contract, limiting their shenanigans. It locks them down to a single form.

[median marsh]

If memory serves me right it's also a trap

In exchange for that formidable new form the new soulgrinder must repay a debt of souls which is h u g e

And should they get destroyed in battle this debt only grows bigger

[lapis wadi]

Vashtorr, nacent god of machines and capitalism

[broken zenith]

soulgrinders grind souls from what I've heard

[crisp heath]

The Bezos of 40k lol

[median marsh]

Tfw even literal demons can't escape debt slavery

[broken zenith]

rip

[crisp heath]

I mean.... it's fitting though lol

[broken zenith]

true

[echo vault]

Favorite 1 line of lore/model weapon type? I love pyrithite it's just melta for custodes

[broken zenith]

hellgun for me

cuz I love stormtroopers xd

and it sounds cool

mark bedford 2000 pewter stormtroopers, my beloved

my fav minis ever

[undone zodiac]

I love combi weapons. Especially combi flamer

Idea of having fully automatic rocket propelled grenade launcher with flamethrower to boot

[nocturne crest]

So what variant of the Leman russ shows up in Darktide?

[median marsh]

Demolisher

[queen laurel]

the Demolisher

[storm jungle]

only the Demolisher

[median marsh]

Morrow comments how despite lack of range their firepower is great

[queen laurel]

Yeah short range bombardment is the specialty of this thing

It lacks range but this thing hits like a freight train

[nocturne crest]

So just an odd question, but are the side guns bolters or can they be switched out to flamers or meltas?

[storm jungle]

Yep!

look at that picture Bulgur posted

it has a melta

[queen laurel]

The side guns of a leman Russ are customizable

[median marsh]

It's still funny to me that the chasis is basically a..ww1 (I think) era tank

[storm jungle]

Its not suppose to be an amazing tank so that checks out

[queen laurel]

yeah it was basically the sherman

easy to Produce can field multiple roles

the amount of sherman variants can match the imperium with how long it is

[nocturne crest]

Can you get leman russ tank without the sponsors?

[celest dome]

Without the side guns ?

[queen laurel]

yeah with out the side guns

[celest dome]

Mars and Ryza

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if you could make the side bulbous, like a ship's hull if you removed the side guns.

[radiant lance]

Why did the imperium decide massively exposed tank treads like that was a good idea

Like, your entire front has it exposed and is an easy disable

[celest dome]

Because it's stupid ?

[radiant lance]

Valid

[nocturne crest]

Maybe it's easier to salvage?

[storm jungle]

Its bad design on purpose because the Imperium literally relies on 18th Century / WW1-2 tactics for waging war lmao

[radiant lance]

I'd imagine Napoleonic tactics are way better than what the imperium does

[storm jungle]

Honestly you're probably right

[dense salmon]

The imperium had actually lost the leman russ technology for some time

The spacewolves rediscovered it so the mechanicum named the tank after their primarch as thanks

[green loom]

The Reman Luss

[dense salmon]

Tanks in ww1 were used more like mobile barricades and trench-busters

A tank could safely cross a fortified position, easily bypassing landmines, gun lines, and barbed wire

Not necessarily the mobile artillery we imagine when we think of a tank

[storm jungle]

People also forget like 1-2 artillery shells or a well placed grenade would stop it dead in its tracks too.

Its basicalyl death-trap unless you got the field advantage

[dense salmon]

A high caliber bullet even

[storm jungle]

Yep

its high-armored junk

[dense salmon]

But for the first tanks in the field? They did their job well

That and air-to-air combat is what transitioned us into modern warfare

I need to find the clip of a Cromwell jumping a ramp at like 40 mph

It's sick

[plush mason]

the germans made armor-piercing bullets in response to the tanks in fact

[dusky scroll]

why did an eldar/eldar faction revive Gulliman?

[storm jungle]

Because it served everyones best interests.

[marsh berry]

Imperials hate this one weird trick

[dusky scroll]

I know it helped Imperium, but who else would get benefitted from it?

[storm jungle]

Mostly just the Imperium

its important to let your meatshield faction get a boost

Roboute is the most accessible and most practical of the remaining loyalists and he has the disposition to help steady the Imperium in the wake of the Cicatrix

[dense salmon]

If you had to revive only one primarch, guilliman makes the most sense for present day imperium

In desperate need of waves being made in the administration

[queen laurel]

He might be not the best in combat but he sure is one hell of a brain

[dense salmon]

Yeah he's absolutely down there in combat ability compared to his brothers

He's still a primarch though

[crisp heath]

Yk I've had a burning question

[dense salmon]

Mf was punching heads apart in the vacuum of space

[queen laurel]

Shoot

[crisp heath]

Is there really a good side, everyone sounds like assholes

Space marines will basically murder anything

[green loom]

Nope

[crisp heath]

Idk a lot but

All ik is

Everything kills everyone

[queen laurel]

The most morally good you can get in terms of the morality scale that we can see in our own point of view is the farsight Enclaves

they're the only ones you can really call good

[crisp heath]

Although the tau seem genuine respectful

[dense salmon]

No faction is good

[normal light]

Y̷̤̌E̷̍͌S̷͍̈́,̸͂̚ ̴̛̌J̷͔͂O̵͌IN FOCRES ̶́̔O̴̍̓F̷͂ CHAOS̚

[dense salmon]

But on a personal level, many characters are good people

[normal light]

Until funny pheromone manipulations

[crisp heath]

The only correct option

[normal light]

Whom differ your thoughts

[crisp heath]

Idk what that is, I need to research more

I basically just got into 40k a few months ago

[normal light]

Basically meme is that higher echelons of Tau society maybe using mind control and pheromones that control behaviour

to control their FELLOW CITIZEN

[crisp heath]

got it, nvm not as great as I thought

[storm jungle]

Almost everyone has a good degree of evil in their faction.

CURRENTLY the only not too bad ones are the Votann, but they don't really have a lot of lore yet and their only "bad side" is uh Too Much Capitalism and sometimes destroying entire planets for mining before telling the settlers to fuck off, but their Space Dwarves so thats kinda their thing, we might get more Evil Stuff™️ from them once they get more lore.

Tau are the 2nd because while they aren't super fascist they kinda brainwash their populace through propaganda and conquer planets/other populations through more insidious means.

I might put Craftworld Eldar in the 3rd place since they are oppoturnistic but its always in the favor of their own species and they don't wage war unless they have to.

[crisp heath]

What about the necrons

[storm jungle]

Necrons are literally just robot egyptians

[crisp heath]

All I know is that they just

[storm jungle]

if you know what IRL egyptians did for conquest uh yeah

[normal light]

kill knife-ears 🔪

[crisp heath]

Robo skelys

[storm jungle]

[dense salmon]

Another "bad" thing you can put against the tau is that they are super opportunistic and will attack or politically undermine imperial worlds whenever they notice the imperium has its attention elsewhere

[storm jungle]

Robot Egyptian Skeletons

[dense salmon]

But that's just war

[normal light]

SERVE OR BE DESTROYED - Casual necron speech to others than necron

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[crisp heath]

Hold on what jokes can I make here

[normal light]

But usually just DIE MEATBAG

[crisp heath]

#1172603289460801596

One sec

[dense salmon]

But 40k has a few factions who are genuinely just destructive s

Like the orks, tyranids, and dark eldar

[normal light]

You forgot chaos

[dense salmon]

Them too

[normal light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060909838844047410/1172199028671385723/image0.gif?ex=655f726a&is=654cfd6a&hm=dbe4db0c7c405d3b43aa336fdef15c8a4a02891b87e98f90eba2205144a83071&

[crisp heath]

And the chaos forces

[dense salmon]

I mostly meant factions as in races

[crisp heath]

Oh got it

[normal light]

ok

[dense salmon]

But chaos is a net negative faction too

Chaos is hard to call a faction though

[queen laurel]

Yeah they just offer salvation that is false

[dense salmon]

They're an assembly of warbands with conflicting interests

[normal light]

CHAOS IS A WAY OF LIVE

[crisp heath]

I honestly just refer to the demonic forces

[normal light]

Wrong