40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

yep

[crystal forum]

i think they still do since you can equip extra sponsons on the rogal dorn

for all your sponson related needs

[summer rover]

pretty sure the dorn is just a tweeked russ

[arctic talon]

123$ for 6 guys lul

[arctic talon]

Its a lot bigger and shaped differently

[crystal forum]

i'd refute that but we don't know anything about it

[celest dome]

So about HH, is there gonna be Xenos or what ?

[arctic talon]

hahahahaa no

the non marine armies are barely supported as is lol

[summer rover]

forge world set prices like there couldn't get their sculpts recast by anyone with some tools.

[arctic talon]

but it shares more in common with the baneblade imo

in terms of like

shape

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld East my beloved

[celest dome]

Cause the last stream they did had some HH stuff with some Gobbo like voice

[arctic talon]

Ratling?

[crystal forum]

dorn is so ridiculously bigger than it looks at first glance

[arctic talon]

but HH is horribly balanced tbh

which is fine since its meant to be a casual game

despite the pricing literally costing you a kidney

[summer rover]

,looks like the slapped some land raider tracks onto a russ chassis and filled out the frame to accomodate the new axals

also looks like the managed to find the worst place to put the smoke screen.

[celest dome]

This one
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/01/decode-this-curious-transmission/

[crystal forum]

i just don't understand why they don't add fluff to 40k

why is militias only 30k when it's 100% something you can apply to 40k

[arctic talon]

Oh this was for Epic 30k lol

[arctic talon]

bcs guard shares the same design space

[summer rover]

they don't hire good writers anymore, they hire dedicated fans and the fan employees are always dogshit at making lore.

[arctic talon]

Imperial Cults and militas

used to be called Imperial army

in HH1.0

[crystal forum]

nah there's a shit ton of weird wacky guard regiments

[arctic talon]

again guard shares the same design space as cults

[crystal forum]

and they could just say it's PDF forces

[arctic talon]

and milita

GW isn't going to make another mild variation of a faction in 40k

thank fuck

bcs if we get one more marine subfaction with its own book I'm going to krill myself

[crystal forum]

but have you seen the customization you can do in the PDF

[arctic talon]

Yes

And my point still stands

[celest dome]

Oh, that's confusing

[crystal forum]

why can't i do that with guardsmen

[arctic talon]

bcs 40k isn't designed that way

is the short answer

[summer rover]

30k is basically for the grognards that don't like the cleaner more competitive rulesets in 40k.

[stark cargo]

Still looks better than a Russ, imho

[arctic talon]

And you could do something similar in 9e anyways

[crystal forum]

but i wanna give my guardsmen a rhino 😭

[arctic talon]

Which is worthless

bcs a rhino is just a worse chimera

[summer rover]

a chimera is loads better.

[arctic talon]

you could proxy one

and I wouldn't stop you tho tbh

[crystal forum]

it's about the message

[summer rover]

a rhino doesn't send a message.

[crystal forum]

me using it does

like equipping 4 russes with miniguns

[summer rover]

so the message is "u don't know how to use armored cavalry"

[crystal forum]

also the militia sheet lets me use a lot more custom weaponry options

which, is that so bad???

space marines get 100000 variations of bolters

[arctic talon]

Yes

I'd rather marines not have 100000 bolters lol

especially when the difference is so small 99% of the time

[crystal forum]

it's about the fluff damn it

[arctic talon]

YOU CAN HAVE FLUFF SEPERATE FROM CRUNCH

[summer rover]

it's great if you wanna run campaigns, but competitve players hate campaigns so much it's like bathing to 'em

[crystal forum]

listen i might be new to this hobby

[arctic talon]

tbh even in a campaign

I don't see much of a use overall

since crusade already has systems in place to upgrade your gear

[crystal forum]

but my ingrained hatred of competitive players has no limits

[arctic talon]

lol

this isn't even about the competitive aspect imo

the 4 different bolter varities were pretty stupid

on intercessors

[crystal forum]

honestly why did they even add all those bolters

[arctic talon]

literally just for variety

and most of them were meh

[crystal forum]

then why not for guardsmen damn it

[arctic talon]

also the lasgun vs autorifle choice is like

a non issue

they share the same profile

you can model your units with autorifles and no one will care

just saying

same with the long las vs. sniper rifle

[crystal forum]

ok so you assume im complaining because of the autorifles

[summer rover]

some people will care.

[crystal forum]

you might be right

[summer rover]

these people are dicks.

[crystal forum]

this might be the pettiest reason to complain

but i will complain nonetheless

[arctic talon]

Then don't play with them

[summer rover]

oh no, inaccurate uniform paintjobs is the most petty reason to complain.

[arctic talon]

yeah if anyone complains about a paintjob

you should pull their teeth out lol

[summer rover]

buddy have you played in game stores? because i assure you you end up playing with who you can unless they're seriously big pains in the ass.

[arctic talon]

Yes I have

lol

there's enough people at my LGS I don't have to play into that guy

and if I do I'll just build a list to pull his teeth out

[coarse pumice]

look how big Tyranids can get

[arctic talon]

beeg boi

size creep

[coarse pumice]

this is really huge

[crystal forum]

why does every hobby involving expensive things always end up with elitists

[arctic talon]

every hobby has elitists and gatekeepers

tbh

just avoid them

[summer rover]

they think spending money means they have authority in it

[crystal forum]

spending money in niche circles to flex on others is like what we evolved to do

[arctic talon]

oh you know why cults and miltia has such a long equipment list lol

its bcs its using admech + guardsmen + cultist loadouts

which is really funny

[crystal forum]

lmao

[arctic talon]

bcs the blastpistol is only available in admech kits

and the hand flamer is only in the cultist one

thats pretty funny ngl

[stark cargo]

Honestly, it seems a very Warhammer thing. Other systems appear to have a way more relaxed community

[arctic talon]

god I fucking wish lol

[summer rover]

most other systems are full of people tired of those players in warhammer.

except warmahordes, they got their own issues.

[arctic talon]

Warmachine 💀

I have never seen a single person play that ngl

[crystal forum]

i mean come on these rules are hilarious

[arctic talon]

plenty of battletech tho

[astral whale]

Question. Wouldn’t a viable solution for the tyranids be to develop extremely fast torpedoes that can one shot hive ships?

[arctic talon]

necrons have a rule like that

[crystal forum]

you roll and your units might be buffed or mentally handicapped

[arctic talon]

also the reason why all the factions in 30k have so much more variety

[stark cargo]

Played some Infinity tournaments last year, and they were pretty chill. Even the "German Championship" (which is just a normal tournament)

[arctic talon]

is bcs it isn't spread out over all the 40k factions

[arctic talon]

neat

[astral whale]

Aren’t solblades pointless considering it’s better to stop Tyranids BEFORE they make planet fall?

[arctic talon]

guess where most of the imperial fleet is

[astral whale]

Scattered across the galaxy?

[arctic talon]

yeah

also hive ships tend to be very durable

like ram into an imperial battlestation durable

[summer rover]

not so durable from the inside, if you can afford to risk some space marines to board them.

[arctic talon]

^yeah this

[stark cargo]

It might be similar reasons why you somehow never hear of badminton or volleyball hooligans 🤷‍♂️

[astral whale]

Throw Orks at it until the Orks evolve to be really really good at fighting Tyranids.

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

so i guess i'm forced to create a horus heresy army if i want my stupid fun rules

[arctic talon]

they tried that already in octarius

I mean

not really?

we don't have the codexes yet

its kind of early to say

[crystal forum]

do codexes give tons of options like in that pdf?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

i've never read any

[arctic talon]

let me dig up the imperial guard

regimental options in 9e

[crystal forum]

what if nids evolve to counter orks

[summer rover]

that's just evolving into more orks

[arctic talon]

these are regimental doctrines in 9e

[astral whale]

Then it’s an evolutionary arms race

[arctic talon]

also the boring one

[astral whale]

Wait, hol up. Where are Biel Tan? Wouldn’t the tyranids be enemy no. 1 for them?

Can’t remake the Eldar Empire if the galaxy is gone

[arctic talon]

busy fighting chaos

their fucking craftworld split apart

[astral whale]

Wait wat?

[arctic talon]

Like the whole thing cracked apart

into several smaller ones

when the Ynnari summoned the Yncarne

tank ace rules

[crystal forum]

these are too stat buffy and less gameplay changing than the militia one though

[arctic talon]

The militia ones are also statbuffy

Ima be real with you chief

[crystal forum]

the militia one lets you transform your guardsmen into a super zerg battalion lol

endless horde + levys

your opponent gets no points from killing anybody

and you can keep throwing your units at them

[arctic talon]

you do know what endless horde does right

its just reanimation protocols lite

[astral whale]

Ah, so the craft fleet?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crystal forum]

it makes your units come back in reserve right

[astral whale]

Makes it even more suitable to fight tyranids.

[crystal forum]

idk i just like the fact that they decided to quietly add conscripts to HH

[arctic talon]

also imperial guard rn

can just pay 1CP to return an entire squad to your deployment zone lol

[crystal forum]

oh

[arctic talon]

yeah

this isn't just for infantry

it includes scout sentinels

[crystal forum]

werent conscripts OP as fuck

[arctic talon]

not really?

just boring as shit to play into

[crystal forum]

i thought that was why they were removed

[arctic talon]

they were removed bcs almost no one ran them even when they were good

bcs no one wanted to paint up like 200 guardsmen except for like 2 guys at a tournament lol

[crystal forum]

that sounds awesome

[arctic talon]

the 200 guarsmen + stormlord list was pretty gross

mostly bcs you just couldn't play the game lol

[crystal forum]

lmao

[arctic talon]

but again almost no one ran conscripts

which I can see why

but like also meh

[crystal forum]

man i can just imagine bringing a truck full of infantry to a game

[arctic talon]

I've seen someone bring 300 ork boyz lol

but he brought a movement tray and chess clock so

[crystal forum]

at that point you're just asserting dominance

[arctic talon]

not really lol

its good to have a ton of bodies

its just expensive as fuck lol

horde armies are a dime a dozen arguably

they just take a lot of time and money to build

[crystal forum]

one of the militia providences lets you switch all lasguns to lasrifles

[arctic talon]

thats just playing budget solar auxilia

and also thats literally heriloom weapons from the 9e guard codex

its just worded differently

[crystal forum]

i guess if you bought a ton of solar auxilia models and refuse to paint them you can just reuse the guns

[arctic talon]

tbh

just run them with normal lasguns

no one is gona stop you lol

[crystal forum]

this militia rule list is made for people with a lot of money huh

[crystal forum]

i don't think that's the point

[arctic talon]

its pretty much this but better

bcs lasrifles have AP5 in HH

[crystal forum]

it even states in the foreword that you should use the appropriate model guns

[arctic talon]

while lasguns have no AP

and less range

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

i think this entire rule sheet is designed with current available models in mind for kitbashing

[arctic talon]

yeah

god if you wanted to build an accurate army to that shit

that would cost so much money lol

[crystal forum]

would be baller though

[arctic talon]

wait nvm I forgor they changed the lasrifle

its AP6 now

[crystal forum]

what does that mean

[arctic talon]

what the fuck in horus heresy even has a 6+ save

[arctic talon]

it ignores any armor save thats 6+ or higher

[crystal forum]

what the fuck

so you can kill tanks with a lasrifle

[arctic talon]

no

bcs horus heresy uses armor value its even more futile then in 40k

to plink at a tank

most tanks have a 3+ armor save

in HH

and have a ton of wounds + armor value

[crystal forum]

oh so is that why i heard that baneblades suck because zergs turn them to mush in 40k

[arctic talon]

not anymore lol

baneblades also suck bcs its hard to hide them

they've honestly always have sucked

[crystal forum]

yeah i heard that a while ago

[arctic talon]

mostly since beeg

but they're actually good this edition

mostly since they actually have a toughness value that makes sense

[crystal forum]

so is there shit you can use in 40k that you can't in 30k

like the rogal dorn

[arctic talon]

plenty

rogal dorn, some baneblade varients

a lot of marine units

Horus hersy players hate MK7 power armor

bcs it isn't era accurate

certian custodes units

a lot of admech stuff

any xenos stuff

[crystal forum]

so you're saying that my time travelling primaris marines aren't cannon

[crystal forum]

wait what

[arctic talon]

horus heresy is imperium only

[crystal forum]

did xenos just not exist during the horus heresy

[arctic talon]

• some chaos stuff

No

[crystal forum]

not even eldar?

[arctic talon]

they just aren't supported in the game system

[crystal forum]

that's crazy

also i've been wondering for a while

is horus heresy stuff just older 40k

or did 40k come first

[arctic talon]

40k is the original game system

[crystal forum]

so the entire game started after the emperor is a corpse

and horus heresy is a prequel?

[arctic talon]

horus heresy is in fact a prequal

originally never meant to be expanded on lol

[crystal forum]

did it start in the 2000's with the books

[arctic talon]

the system came out after the books

[crystal forum]

so horus heresy does get new units sometimes?

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

huh

apparently the militia rules let you use the necromunda cargo-8 unit lmao

and since militias get their equipment late you're expected to field more malcador tanks than leman russes

the leman russes get some wacky wargear options though

[astral whale]

Tbh I think the Eldar were still recovering from the fall, so theyd probably avoid the Imperium like the plague.

[astral whale]

Like they exist but no way would they engage in open combat with the far stronger Imperium.

[crystal forum]

vanquisher cannon AND autocannon

is there even a model for that

i've seen some images of leman russes with coaxial guns but i can't find actual models anywhere

[astral whale]

wait

Stupid question but what are the chances you can equip a Leeman Russ with a flamer in both the turret and hull?

Please tell me that is a thing

[rose thorn]

That sounds extremely unsafe in lore

A small wind and you fucking implode

[astral whale]

Which makes it sound like something the Imperium would do.

[rose thorn]

Very true

[astral whale]

Something the Chem dogs would try

[crystal forum]

i think in 9th edition you can only equip the front hull gun with a heavy bolter or a lascannon

and there's no options for flamers as the turret weapon

there's a solar auxilia leman russ that has a weird volkite weapon

[astral whale]

There should be lol

Let it just melt infantry in the 2 seconds of glory before exploding

[crystal forum]

nvm you can equip a heavy flamer on the hull

[astral whale]

YESSS

[crystal forum]

but the sponsons can also equip heavy flamers

[celest dome]

I think the only Flamer tank use a hitched waggon to pull the fuel

[crystal forum]

yeah that's the malcador flame tank

it has a special rule that make it explode extra violently when it dies

[astral whale]

Not sure why they’d name the unreliable flame tank after the Emperor’s only reliable friend.

[crystal forum]

it's not unreliable, it's just a big container of explosive liquid

also if you feel extra plasma enabled you can field a leman russ with an exterminator plasma cannon and sponson plasma guns

nothing's stopping you from putting a plasma gun on the hull either if you want to ignore the rules. they can all fit in the socket

[astral whale]

Idk. I just love the idea of making an army that has weapons they threw together to keep themselves alive.

I like the German/French wwi aesthetic of Krieg but my favorite has to be Chem dogs.

The fact that the Chem dogs even have armored units as a penal legion is hilarious to me.

[crystal forum]

YES

that's what i've been trying to do for a while

which is why im so happy about the militia rules

it lets you create a rag tag army of randoms

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/j2TwD3c2AB8oLsVW.pdf

just take a look at all those options

it lets you use beastmen and shit

you can literally make all your troops insane drug addicts

[crystal forum]

so after doing a bit of research i found that this is what i saw once

this is the forge world ryza pattern turret

see how massive it is

intimidating

with an autocannon just for rangefinding

well this is the OLD model of ryza turret. forge world doesn't sell this anymore

this is the new model ryza turret with the mars alpha hull

it looks like ass

and no coaxial

so basically in order to get the appropriate models for the militia rules you need to have stuff that isn't even sold anymore

[viral halo]

damn saw this sell on ebay last week for like 25 bucks

[arctic talon]

you could also 3d print tbf

[arctic talon]

I like how they like stealing it lol

[crystal forum]

i want to but it's hard to find niche models

also the problem with printing is that it's hard to find models that are 1:1 versions of the real thing

[arctic talon]

fair

[crystal forum]

also i wasn't even fully correct

there were 3 versions of the ryza vanquisher turret

the one in the image above

the stygies VIII
https://i0.wp.com/ifelix.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_0213.jpg?ssl=1

[arctic talon]

on one hand I'm glad FW stoped producing all these niche products because my wallet is no longer scared

on the otherhand its pretty sad to see them all go

[crystal forum]

and the gryphonne IV

notice how this one has a storm bolter instead of an autocannon

and you can tell that it's the old style of russ hull because of the lascannon

to me it looks like the entire gun assembly pivots vertically

[arctic talon]

Gryphone doesn't exist anymore

so at least that one going away makes sense lul

[crystal forum]

im still mad that i have less options to make my russes

[arctic talon]

I was reminded that this thing still exists

💀

[crystal forum]

and that it took me so damn long to figure this shit out

like seriously why doesn't GW keep a list of stuff it doesn't sell anymore

[arctic talon]

because

if you can't find it on the webstore I'd say its a safe bet its gone

[crystal forum]

i have to piece together outdated wiki information with reddit posts and black market store listings

[arctic talon]

again like I said

if it isn't on the webstore its prolly no longer sold

and all those russ options were Forgeworld(hell)

[crystal forum]

yeah but it's also super hard to find what's actually a model that was sold and not some lore art lol

[arctic talon]

lol

fair

[crystal forum]

i first noticed those vanquisher turret models from the normie wiki page

the page was so outdated that it acted like all vanquishers still have coaxial guns

and i was like wtf i've never seen a coaxial gun

[arctic talon]

oh yeah that used to be the only way

you could get vanquishers lol

forgeworld

[crystal forum]

ohhhh

so did rules treat the coaxials like turret mounted stubbers and shit

[arctic talon]

yeah

it was just a turret mounted gun

they were fine

[crystal forum]

but you couldn't change the vanquisher cannon for another one

so i guess it was simpler to just add the vanquisher cannon to normale russ kits and remove the coaxial

thus removing the need for the 3 different turrets in forge world

[arctic talon]

Yeah

also back then some stores just straight up wouldn't let you use forgeworld products lol

which was a choice

[crystal forum]

and forge world still wanted their unique turrets so they slapped them onto mars patterns

[crystal forum]

they still do that apparently

[arctic talon]

never seen one like that irl

and I've been to a lot of stores

then again maybe I've just been lucky lol

[crystal forum]

so ANYWAYS all of this just to say that the militia sheet gives a wink and a nod at old players who still kept their forge world vanquishers

[arctic talon]

oh god why do they still sell these lol

[crystal forum]

and now i need to either buy myself a vanquisher turret off some sketchy site or find somebody that lets me print them

tbh i think i'll buy one for the exclusivity

"oh what a cool tank you have jay, you must be such an old player"

[arctic talon]

god lorgar's mini is

rough lol

really does look like the first primarch mini every sculpted

[green loom]

Idk it looks fine

[crystal forum]

does anybody even play lorgar outside of lore nerds

[green loom]

I think only the most recent primarchs look tolerabme

[crystal forum]

i like how all the primarchs usually are posed in a battlefield condition or on corpses

then there's guilliman who's just MARBLE SLAB

[rose thorn]

Okay so who ever painted it is ass

It looks fine with our paint

All of the older WB characters are like this

[crystal forum]

i've notice that a couple of example images on the store look so poorly painted

have you seen the catachan squads

or the astartes scouts

[green loom]

Yep

Even current models sometimes look bad

The 'eavy metal team apparently edge highlights everything and it doesn't always work

[arctic talon]

If you wana run a primarch in word bearers yes

But bringing a primarch is considered a dick move

If you don’t tell the other person

[crystal forum]

why

isn't that how alpharius operates

[arctic talon]

Because they’re absurdly overpowered

[arctic talon]

If you bring alpharius it’s just the Alpharius mini

[green loom]

Remember when I mentioned insta kill duelists

Primarchs are worse

[arctic talon]

Yeah primarchs instakill everything lol

Including your tanks

And they’re super durable, fast

Get a body guard

Oh and they usually have some form of bullshit to throw at you

[crystal forum]

yes but not telling the enemy you have alpharius is exactly what alpharius would do to trick alpharius

[arctic talon]

Alpharius is fun fact absurdly overpowered

Because his whole terminator body guard team

Can pregame move

[crystal forum]

isn't angron like impossible to kill

[arctic talon]

he's possible to kill

with like another primarch and some very specific characters

like the dark mechanicum one thats even more absurdly overpowered

also known as the primarch oneshotinator

[crystal forum]

so is there a game mode that's just zerging a primarch

[arctic talon]

No

but if you bring a primarch expect your opponet to hard focus them because they give absurd buffs, are absurdly strong and yeah

absurdly durable

I've seen Alpharius and his bodyguard kill a full 1k points of someones army

and still be decently healthy lol

and contrary to memes the alpha legion do infact enjoy straight up fights

[crystal forum]

so let's say you bring a shadowsword and shoot the primarch with it

[arctic talon]

they're gona survive it

and prolly not take a scratch

[crystal forum]

WHAT

[arctic talon]

for one bodyguards all have invuln saves

bcs they're terminators

second of all almost all the primarchs have some flavor of "it will not die" / "feel no pain" or both

and an invuln save

and a 2+ armor save

and absurdly high toughness

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

also theres 20 wounds worth of terminators with them at all times

[crystal forum]

merely deflected the titan killer weapon with his forehead

[arctic talon]

because of course there are

also I think its really funny one of the alpha legions detachments is just pure terminators + tanks + dreads

with destroyers

[crystal forum]

okok but what if

you shoot a primarch with a deathstrike

[arctic talon]

again

thats only like

10 mortal wounds?

[green loom]

He catches it and throws it at you

[arctic talon]

that only kills like half the body guard

and statistically speaking won't kill the primarch either bcs of all their keywords

like Horus heresy is horribly balanced

[crystal forum]

so is there a single possibility of an astra militarum army beating a primarch

[arctic talon]

Yes

well

no?

its called using your whole army as cannon fodder

while you play the objective

literally just lock your opponent in melee and pray

which is pretty hard because its like 30 something attacks from the terminators

• an additional chunk from the primarch

[crystal forum]

so the saying is true. throw enough guardsmen at a problem and it'll solve itself

what about a titan

i don't remember the name but that titan that's the biggest you can buy

[arctic talon]

warlord can prolly kill a primarch

but the primarch can also kill it

in melee

so its more of a does the primarch have a way of rushing you down

spoiler alert like half of them do

[crystal forum]

aren't there also primarchs in 40k

[arctic talon]

yeah

but they're actually balanced

because they don't have every goddamn keyword under the sun and buff the whole army

and also have the ability to take 20 terminators as a "bodyguard"

[crystal forum]

doesn't guilliman give rerolls to everybody

[arctic talon]

and have instakill weapons

[arctic talon]

In an area around him

Almost all primarch weapons are Ap2

which means you don't get to roll a save against them

so they just kill you

instantly

but like Khan, Russ, Angron, Sang, Corax, Alpharius Omegon, and Curze

all have ways of absolutely bumrushing you

while trying to kill Vulkan, Ferrus, Perturabo or Mortarion is an exercise in futility in HH

[crystal forum]

huh

so HH is for dumb shit

[arctic talon]

HH is kept fun by both players agreeing not to do shit

thats blatently broken

like stacking alpha legion -1 to hit auras till your opponent is hitting on 9's

on dreadnoughts

[crystal forum]

so is HH community more easy going

[arctic talon]

yesnt

[green loom]

From what I heard it gets elitist

[arctic talon]

yeah

better hope your models are era accurate lol

they hate Mk7 power armor

[crystal forum]

is that it

[arctic talon]

no

theres a lot more

but I'm just mentioning the big one

its a much more narative game

is the big thing

[crystal forum]

but like they don't try to min max shit right

[arctic talon]

they do

it depends

some people like to go balls to the walls see how hard they can push it

[green loom]

There's a reason you don't hear about it much

[arctic talon]

others want to reenact the battle of lua

or the betrayl at calth

and others are just playing bcs they like funny marine game and the rules along with it more

and there's overlap between all these groups as well

[crystal forum]

so if my custom militia army follows lore, looks cool and is more focused on its fluff i won't have any problems?

[summer rover]

HH minmaxing is in the valley of "if you do it, you'll make everyone else do it do you"

[arctic talon]

^yeah this

HH is literally just kept intact by an agreement to in fact

not do the obviously broken shit

now granted sometimes people decide not to because its funny or they both agree on it

and some really stupid crap comes out

like the unholy warhound titan ontop of shield array

[summer rover]

"do not be that guy, or you will create an entire community of that guy until everyone stops of there's a stabbing"

[arctic talon]

yeah pretty much lol

horus heresy is way more toxic as a game potentially

then 40k

[crystal forum]

im just wondering how they'd react to my custom mostly printed militia army

[arctic talon]

so just don't be that guy

[arctic talon]

gona be real with you most people don't care about printed armies

as long as they're on the right bases and look accurate enough

[crystal forum]

that's what i mean with look accurate though

[summer rover]

unless you're in an offical GW store, they will either 1:not care or 2: ask where to get the SLIs.

[arctic talon]

^yeah this

and even in an offical GW store

[crystal forum]

if i'm using the militia PDF i can make anything i want

[arctic talon]

just don't point out the fact its printed

the employees don't give a shit

[green loom]

"Your lasgun would not show up for another 5 minutes! Period Inaccurate!"

[arctic talon]

they don't want to kick people out

[summer rover]

they give a shit on weeks when they think regional might swing by to spy on them

[arctic talon]

yeah that

[crystal forum]

oh

[arctic talon]

but overall 3d printing is always a

no one gives as shit overall

except for assholes

[summer rover]

although really, why would you play in offical stores, GW only shells out for poststamp sized boards.

[arctic talon]

or employees trying to not get fired

[arctic talon]

also yeah this

the only GW stores with big tables are like

Warhammer world and the cafes

[crystal forum]

i thought the elitism extended to "real" models

[arctic talon]

no

not really

40k comp also isn't that elitist tbh

since at the end of the day its a literal dice game

you're the class clown if you're gona get uber salty over it

[summer rover]

last store i was in had two 24x24 boards and an 12x10 and what kind of godless mosnter plays 40k on an 12x10.

[arctic talon]

12x10

[summer rover]

offical stores are not places to go for a good game

[arctic talon]

yeah

mostly since they're pretty small

[crystal forum]

i don't even think there's a single store in my region that has a play table

[arctic talon]

you can check GW's website

[crystal forum]

the only one i can find is in montreal and it's a tiny store

[arctic talon]

and call the stores

near you

[summer rover]

they're required to if it's an offical GE store, but in the US they have to cut it pretty close.

[arctic talon]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/store/storefinder.jsp#

you can check this site

and put in your address and stuff

it shows both GW and LGS's

[summer rover]

since most of the time they end up in like malls where the floorspace is just a long hallway. you're much better off looking for hobby stores in your zip code and then asking around from there.

a lot of stores with good setups aren't on that thing because GW is......kind of That Guy in the advertising realm.

[crystal forum]

at least it also shows independent stores

[arctic talon]

yeah that also

look around on your own + do that

[crystal forum]

well anyways my next purchase HAS to be a gryphonne turret or that other planet i forgot the name of

[summer rover]

a very short list of reasons i've heard of stores no being on that list:

• they advertised other wargame tournies too much
• claims of not meeking frontage for their product
• literally don't know, GW hasn't even repaid them for the mischarged product they didn't get sent

[crystal forum]

23$ for a turret http://blackmarketminiatures.su/catalog/conversionideas/conversion-sets/forgeworld-gryphonne-iv-vanquisher-turret

i cannor believe this

[summer rover]

forgeworld

[crystal forum]

it's also not sold anymore

[summer rover]

amazed it's not more

i'd have expects 45 for that much overhyped resin from them

[crystal forum]

honestly for a model that hasn't been sold since 2016 it's pretty cheap

[summer rover]

that's also like, THE easiest russ turret to kitbash which is funny.

[crystal forum]

i guess nobody wanted these things

[arctic talon]

Yeah bcs forgeworld

[crystal forum]

you think? it's actually super different

[arctic talon]

Some of those molds were nasty

[summer rover]

pretty sure i could kitbash it for less than 10 bucks if i had a russ to chop up.

[crystal forum]

i don't think you could

the russ turret is a lot narrower than that version

absolutely no space for the extra bolters

[arctic talon]

Also just remember never ask a Horus heresy player if you can use MK7

They will instantly drop dead from the blood pressure

[summer rover]

hey look at this dude that's never seen plasticard.

[arctic talon]

Unless it’s a siege of terra reenactment

[crystal forum]

i genuinely haven't

[crystal forum]

can't you just say it's a slightly off looking mark 5

[arctic talon]

they will die of a stroke/s

[crystal forum]

hahahaha a website was selling the same ryza turret for 40 euros

[crystal forum]

would they die if i took mark III armour and put mark VII helmets on them

should i be worried if resellers have prices that are way lower than forge world's

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

ok at this point it might genuinely be cheaper to buy the model off the black market than it is to find a 3d file

ive been looking for hours

[crystal forum]

just look at how chunkier this turret is https://i.redd.it/rbbbwv4qqei21.jpg

[undone zodiac]

Ngl i kinda what to make vet guard kill team look like finnish ww2 army

[remote widget]

I'm now at straight silver, and it still seems so weird that gaunt rolls over and is subservient at every step

[copper slate]

@crimson kayak I think I figured out Nurgle's nickname for Asha: Death Bed Lotus. Which is a deceptively normal-looking flower that Nurgle cultivates in the eponymous Death Beds just outside of his Morbid Estate.

[crystal forum]

i have finally found the turret i was looking for

[echo vault]

Mk7 cringe

Return to mk3

[hallow saddle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YQe1RfkicgXB8LQlO9PXPprB2G4xO_YNggiG1hKo8yw/https/i.imgur.com/fAyn3l5.png

It's a good day to be an Emperor's children enjoyer

tfw they're showing an actual 40k noise marine in official material

[crimson kayak]

Isn't that h&b about lucius?

Also the noise marine face-grill-mask thing is like, the only thing ever shown in Canon about noise marines mostly

[storm jungle]

They've always been in official material

that one is literally from an artwork

[pine wedge]

where... are his gauntlets

[near wasp]

Why would you need gauntlets that dull the senses

[hallow saddle]

Thanks for the clarification, it's just exciting to see in animation

[hallow saddle]

Yass, from the Lucius H&B animation

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly uh

their kits are older than most people on this server

they have been mega-ignored as one of the few chaos legions who have a god as their patron

they are gonna finally get their update and a fulgrim return later down this year

[hallow saddle]

That's my point!!

[storm jungle]

Yeee tho like

you could be Nightlords

with your yee yee ass 90's mini

[hallow saddle]

Ya our undivided cousins definitely need some love... NL, Iron Warriors

At least y'all had a logo on the transfer sheet!!!!

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

I just watched the episode

its exactly what happens

[green loom]

I am too much of a lore master

[storm jungle]

Also like

the episode is just bad

they use nothing but those 3D Marine models and it looks so jarring in a 2D animationscape

[dire vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl3eRR12G5Q

[crystal forum]

i wanted to subscribe to warhammer+ yesterday but the website won't let me. I'm taking this as an intervention from the god emperor

[queen laurel]

You were going to make a decision you will regret and so the emperor himself had to save you

[crystal forum]

isn't it disappointing that they called it warhammer+ instead of watchhammer

[queen laurel]

Yeah and The thing is the shows aren't even plus in quality

[arctic talon]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/06/heresy-thursday-unleash-a-pack-of-dire-wolf-scout-titans-with-a-new-plastic-kit/

It’s fucking jover for my wallet

[crystal forum]

at least it gives you access to the entire white dwarf catalog and a bunch of other things

[languid salmon]

I still blame plot armor

[crystal forum]

oh yeah the new rehashed epic warhammer is going to kill my money bag

[arctic talon]

I already have a titanicus army mostly done lol

So I don't need to buy anything for epic

I'm just gona step on people

The direwolfs megabolters finally will be useful lol

[crystal forum]

if there's one thing i'm not going to be able to print, it's tiny minis

[arctic talon]

That’s kind of false sorta

I’ve seen plenty of people print 8mm scale stuff

[crystal forum]

also funny thing is you can find a ton of printable models for the classic epic

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also one of my warlords is like

80% printed lol

And one of my reavers

[crystal forum]

yeah with a good resin printer it's easy to get way more details than what GW is doing with molds

but i don't have a good resin printer

[arctic talon]

Tbh I don’t want too much detail

Personally at least

I don’t think there’s a point in everything being Uber detailed

Mostly since after a point it stops looking good

[crystal forum]

painting that scale looks hard AF

[arctic talon]

I can’t believe eavy metal edge highlighted them

💀

[crystal forum]

lmao and even the GW store doesn't try to push its highlight paints on you when you go to buy this scale

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

I feel like grey knight Chaplins are kinda redundant lmao

In lore

[tropic olive]

Explain me plz

[copper slate]

@crimson kayak so the Death Bed Lotus… What do you think?

[terse flume]

that's one of either the traitor legions who still looks loyalist or one of the loyalist legions who still does super fucked up things

some of the traitor legions look idk lawful, some of the loyalist ones look a little chaotic

[arctic talon]

It’s loyalist but awful prolly

[celest dome]

I had a site where you could put tags to search but I can't find it again.

[crimson kayak]

neat

[celest dome]

Also that comics is so sad

[arctic talon]

Yeah they just murder people lol

[crimson kayak]

the chapter is the novamarines, don't know why they are there lol

[arctic talon]

^

Nothing out of the ordinary

For a space marine chapter

[celest dome]

The original one had Death Guard

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Thankfully he died later

[crimson kayak]

outside of spilling blood of chapters that stray too far from the codex that is

[arctic talon]

So the usual oddities

Doesn’t seem particularly evil

Besides the usual imperium stuff

[copper slate]

Why did I describe this lotus plant as ‘deceptively normal-looking?’ The Death Bed Lotus is a disease vector, emitting an invisible miasma that contains what ever horrible creation of the Plaguelord he or his followers have most recently exposed the bloom to.

[rose thorn]

Aren’t those the nova marines

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[copper slate]

The scenario I envision is a hive city in a situation similar to Tertium, but Nurgle’s rot was discovered before the cult was able to do anything like that ‘plague train’ you see during Grendyl’s speech cutscene.

[crystal forum]

I cannor believe how many chapters exist

i just looked up a list and wtf

[arctic talon]

Lol

Favored child

[copper slate]

Instead, there is a sudden outbreak in the Highborn section of the city. Asha, in either her Oberon or Trinity frame, is helping to track down the origin points of this warp-born contagion. And in a quiet corner of a public water garden, in the middle of a fetid pool filled with dead and dying fish and plants, is a single thriving white lotus.

[viral halo]

in one of the dark imperium books a little girl sees the nova marines who are on a stealth mission and they start celebrating their rescue, they're making too much noise so a nova marine breaks her grandfathers neck and before she starts to scream they fire a bolter at her and slaughter the civilians to maintain their momentum

then at the end of the book, the nova marine main character gets the little girl tatted on his neck as a rememberance for what he did

Thanks Guy Haley for writing your action slop lmfao

[storm jungle]

God i remember that

it was so out of nowhere that I remember laughing at the absurdity of it

[summer rover]

part of 40k is going so far over the line it becomnes funny you'd go to the effort, then realizing half the fanbase isn't smart enough to get how stupid that was and hold it up as a triumph of "mature war writing"

[tropic olive]

damn

[copper slate]

Yeah, it would have been a lot easier to make a 'shush' gesture.

[viral halo]

I've said it 10,000 times, Guy Haley is the michael bay of 40k authors

[summer rover]

also would have led to a lot less insufferable chaos players at the time.

[storm jungle]

I mean thats the thing tho it depends

Some writers actually get good stuff out of the books when they treat some parts of the setting seriously like an actual war novel

Then you got goofball examples like this where its just "Lol lmao"

[summer rover]

nobody at GW can tell the difference though

[storm jungle]

They can

at the end of the day it doesnt really matter because mindless consumers are mindless consumers.

[viral halo]

there's a very generally agreed upon list of authors that are talented versus not when it comes to warhammer stuff

Some of the old books are so gd funny they're written by ppl who've never written shit b4

Looking at you CS goto

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

Yeah like it takes some special talent to get fired from BL

[storm jungle]

There was another god awful author who uh actually plagiarised actual war stories for his 40k books.

He got terminated FAST after people figured it out

[near wasp]

Yikes

[storm jungle]

speaks a lot about the quality check of BL back then (not that they are any better today but still)

[viral halo]

Nick Kyme still has a job

That’s the craziest thing

[storm jungle]

actual war criminal

like it takes actual TALENT to make every Salamander book as bad/bland as possible.

No idea how he fucking does it

[summer rover]

he probably just hates salamanders. fantasy writing has a lot of that.

there are so many nathan long books where the moral of the story is "i only like dark elves, your faction is dumb and i'm going to write them dumb and insert my cool dark elf OCs into their story"

[copper slate]

Any thoughts on what I wrote?

[viral halo]

put Nick Kyme in guatanamo bay

the one good thing guy haley did is take cato sicarius from him and make him actually cool and smug

[crystal forum]

ok

but what would be the subjectively worst horus heresy book in the main series

i've only read 5 so far so fulgrim is my pick

half the book is character development that leads to nowhere

[copper slate]

Shouldn't this be in #40k-book-club ?

[arctic talon]

the 2 channels are interchangable tbh

[viral halo]

the salamanders books are all horrible, most of the dark angels books are bland, battle for the abyss is a terrible book

for horus heresy specifically ^

[coarse mirage]

I've watched the episode of Hammer & Bolter about the Aeldari. Does anyone know what the Avatar of Khaine says?

[crystal forum]

aw man. salamanders have so much potential too

fire loving master craftsmen

[storm jungle]

Just alien stuff, its never really translated

[coarse mirage]

I can tell that the last thing it says is Khaine though

Some probably some threat

I am murder, I am Khaine or something

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[queen laurel]

I guess my assumption of it being old eldar language would make sense

[storm jungle]

well yeah

he gets Dawn of War marine-gangpiled tho so

💀

[coarse mirage]

and then puts big hot knife through space marien butter

I'm still confused as to why the Ultramarines were destroying a Craftworld but it was a nice episode

[queen laurel]

Yeah the execution he can get in dawn of war

The blood thirster especially boy he was pulling out the flips with that one

And he immediately got decapitated like it was nothing

[storm jungle]

Because space marines

[coarse mirage]

Well it did feel accurate to what the Astartes actually are

[storm jungle]

Well yeah its classic Eldar misery porn

[coarse mirage]

Monsters who think they're cool

[storm jungle]

where they cannot do anything and just die in droves before killing some nameless marines

against an entire craftworld no less which is a bit memey

[coarse mirage]

True

[storm jungle]

Tho the Feels moments were good at least

[coarse mirage]

Maybe it was an already weakened one

on it's last fart

[queen laurel]

Doom of malantal moment

[coarse mirage]

Aeldari are misery, that's their thing though

[arctic talon]

That one at least had a semi happy ending

Eventually

[coarse mirage]

I also liked what the Aeldari in the Exodite said

[storm jungle]

You can do that without having your faction get steamrolled

💀

[queen laurel]

I mean if you created a god by being so excessive it wouldn't be surprising to think that your life would be quite miserable

[coarse mirage]

Was fun to see some space clowns too

[arctic talon]

Space clowns are fun

[coarse mirage]

Pranks are still alive in the grim, dark future

[arctic talon]

I think Jain zar asking a kabalite how he decorated his entire ship with bones was funny

[queen laurel]

If you were looking for pranks you would be definitely around the changeling of Tzeentch

[coarse mirage]

What's that from?

[queen laurel]

That guy is the definition of trolling

[arctic talon]

the Jain zar book

I forgor its name

[coarse mirage]

Is it good?

All I've heard of Aeldari books is how the author of most of them hates them

[storm jungle]

Jain Zar™️

Storm of Silence™️

💀

[arctic talon]

it is a good eldar book

not as good as path of the eldar or path of the dark eldar books

but its good

”How do you start?” Jain Zar asked the sybarite.

”I don’t understand,” he replied. ‘Start what?”

Jain Zar waved at the macabre ornamentation.

’This. When you began, you couldn’t have possessed enough bones for the whole ship. It would look stupid with a few dozen skeletons nailed to the walls. So, how do you start? Do you save enough bodies for a corridor at a time, or put them away until you have enough to decorate the entire vessel?”

[queen laurel]

Yeah, tyranids have eaten them
They're super weapon is used as a demonstration on how good a character is

[storm jungle]

The only good Eldar books are

• Valedor
• Path of the Dark Eldat Trilogy
• Jain Zar which is mostly good

the Path of the Eldar trilogy is good for worlbuilding but Eldar get steamrolled when any actual threat shows up

[arctic talon]

path of the eldar isn't terrible

[rose thorn]

obviosuly the dream eldar book is where asking waht time it is takes 3 terran days

[arctic talon]

yeah

that

[storm jungle]

its bad

yeet

[arctic talon]

Path of the dark eldar is really good

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one of THE best ""eldar"" books

legit meme fest from the beginning to the end in the best way possible

it helps that Gav didnt fucking write it

[arctic talon]

Its got eldar characters

and is focused on eldar

I'd call it an eldar book

[storm jungle]

I meant "eldar" as in its all dark eldar

you dont see any other eldar aside from them

[arctic talon]

Harlequins

The clowns show up

[storm jungle]

Its literally just Motley

[queen laurel]

Nobody gives a crap about the dinosaur ones

[arctic talon]

Still a clown

[storm jungle]

who has a gay subplot with Morr

[rose thorn]

what would make a good eldar book?

[storm jungle]

They appear

and uh

[arctic talon]

Okay and?

[coarse mirage]

He wrote Jain Zar though

[storm jungle]

get murdered by dark eldar

[storm jungle]

Jain Zar is passable

it still suffers from his writing

[queen laurel]

Yeah i expected that

[storm jungle]

aka Eldar fight and "OH NO THE PROPHECY WAS WRONG"

[arctic talon]

Jain zar is the one decent eldar book gav has written

[storm jungle]

^

and stil it suffers from his shitty tropes

[arctic talon]

Also at least the way they talk with each other makes sense

[rose thorn]

eldar are written to be boring, liek its appart of their identity lmao

[storm jungle]

an entire race of seers cant divine the future but a fucking space marine mary sue character can

[rose thorn]

they are ommish

[arctic talon]

Yeah he doesn’t really like eldar

Ngl

[storm jungle]

Nah he does

[arctic talon]

I don’t get why he writes them

[storm jungle]

he just has the same problem that uh

[arctic talon]

Does he enjoy the torture porn part

[storm jungle]

those two psychos have

[arctic talon]

That’s pretty funny

Ngl

[storm jungle]

Phil Kelly and Nick Kyme

[coarse mirage]

Only one available on Audible :(

[storm jungle]

where the ytake one faction

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-23501265

[storm jungle]

and make them terrible

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

OH teh eldar were pretty great in the heretic saint

but it was litearlly 5 minutes

[storm jungle]

Eldar are great when its anyone but Gav writing them

[rose thorn]

of appearance

[arctic talon]

Phoenix lords are made to be worfed

[rose thorn]

fuckin uhh the harlequin was great

[arctic talon]

Because they can’t die forever

[queen laurel]

I am not kidding in a lot of stories you can bet that a guardsman would go toe-to-toe with the avatar of khaine, they would have a b******* explanation ready on why the guardsman can do that

[rose thorn]

shakespear ass anxitiety filled clown

[coarse mirage]

How the fuck does BL get away with a cookie warning that just says "Accept and continue"?!

[rose thorn]

britian(?)

[coarse pumice]

Though one harlequin is a match for 5 custodies

[rose thorn]

this guy i watch cult of paint does amazing mini paint but fucking hell he uses paint techniques like an alien but its all aamazing

[coarse mirage]

Yeah I stopped reading that one

[queen laurel]

Is that the one in the beast?

Where a harley quinn's straight up slaughters the imperial palace

[coarse mirage]

When one troupe of Aeldari manage to invade the palace and kill dozens of Custodes

[coarse pumice]

I don’t know, probably

[rose thorn]

counter argument, custodies need to get fucking leveled by anything

[coarse mirage]

yes

[arctic talon]

Even in lore harlequins are pretty horrifying

To fight

[rose thorn]

fr

[arctic talon]

Most of their weapons are tank busters

[rose thorn]

and they battle like a play

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

my favorite one is where they reenact the fall of the eldar

[queen laurel]

Yeah tank busting weapons that can commit multiple war crimes on multiple countries in a single shot

[rose thorn]

and do a suicide charge

[coarse mirage]

Oh there are no audibooks of Path of the Dark Eldar...

[rose thorn]

and kill as many people as possible on both sides

[coarse mirage]

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Dont forget Harlies literally have a weapon uh

where they literally can reach into anything

[arctic talon]

Harlequins kiss

[storm jungle]

and take shit out

[arctic talon]

Kek

It’s funny

[storm jungle]

nah thats the Caress

Kiss is the wires

[arctic talon]

Oh

Oh yeah

[storm jungle]

sexy name so it fits 👀

[arctic talon]

Lol

I’m sure getting your insides turned into outsides

[storm jungle]

Literally Cube'd

[coarse mirage]

[storm jungle]

Also like, this is a good example of what most Eldar weapons do

Most of them are usually "instant" at least unless you fight Dark Eldar and its literally poisoned weapons and dark-matter guns

[queen laurel]

Yeah, i would have just said that i was a coward in front of a commissar rather than dealing with that

[storm jungle]

Theres one quote from an eldar codex of a guard character where he uh

says Eldar fight really well and that if the propaganda says they are "decadent" they too sure as hell could use decadance like that

||the excerpt is followed by noting that he got shot for saying this||

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

if you were heald at gun point to try to sell craft world eldar to somoene how would you even do that

you have like 3 things you could say

'ninjas, magic, and viegely anime'

[arctic talon]

They have the most advanced psychic integrated technology in the setting

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres a reason craftworlds are literal utopias

like unless you get attacked its basically heaven

[arctic talon]

They are a post scarcity society

[storm jungle]

Theres no cops

Everything is free

etc etc

[rose thorn]

yeah but also everyone is kinda a mormon

[storm jungle]

Nah

[arctic talon]

And their soldiers despite being untrained Miltia fight as good as veterans of marines

[storm jungle]

it varies, some craftworlds are super chill with civilian life

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

you arent really usually forced anywhere

[arctic talon]

Beil tan and ulthwe are the shitty ones to live in

Tbh

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

One is a military dictatorship

The other is literally entirely dedicated to fighting chaos

[storm jungle]

Yeah Ulthwe is just uh

dour

its not dystopian

[arctic talon]

Yeah everyone is goth

[rose thorn]

oh thats the one thats a ghost town lmao

rigfht?

[arctic talon]

No

[rose thorn]

oh

[storm jungle]

Thats Iyanden which is just fucking depressing since 99% of the population is fucking dead

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

like imagine living in a coutnry where half the population is inside robots

[arctic talon]

It’s still a very nice place but like

Everyone is dead lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah that, they got fucked by tyranids hard

[arctic talon]

Most of it is empty

[storm jungle]

the wounds are deep as fuck

[rose thorn]

i forgot what ulthwe was

[arctic talon]

Saim Han is the party craftworld

Lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah honestly every craftworld is mostly good

like you arent judged for anything you do

you can change jobs on spot

[arctic talon]

Now granted those parties sometimes involve slaughtering people

But still

[storm jungle]

do parties, poetry nights, etc

[arctic talon]

It’s a good time

[storm jungle]

yeeee

its literally only bad when you gotta go fight

which itself is rare