40k-lore-chat

[open pumice]

Each fleet is effectively ita own hivemind

[signal bramble]

It is.

The depiction of the hive mind in recent books demonstrates that it views gene stealer cults as abominations per the flesh tearer book. Is personally insulted at losing at Baal.

And actively hates the blood angels for thwarting it.

[open pumice]

Ye

Which imo

While kinda dumb

Is cooler than just this mass of endless flesh

[signal bramble]

I am personally against humanizing the hive mind. But that’s the lore now.

[open pumice]

Agreed

But

The hivemind throwing a tantrum after baal is finnt

I just wantna fucking caiphas cain story that for once doesnt involve tyranids or necrons

[vale shuttle]

i really dislike this, to me this just makes the hive mind a more lame chaos god

[open pumice]

I mean

Thats no different that it not being conscious tbh

It has always just kinda been a lame chaos god

Idk im sick of nids stories

Just in general

Every other book that comes out is either imperium v. chaos or imperium v. nids

And now were gesring up for an entire new book series thats dark angels v nids

Because theres no way they let lion el'johnson come back and dont put pen to paper for jt

[green loom]

Thought he was going all "Kill chaos" in Nihilus

[uneven temple]

pretty sure the last full cain novel we got was against chaos...

[crisp heath]

The hivemind is probably the most intelligent thing in the galaxy

Tyranids are emotionless, thoughtless animals. The mind that drives them isn't.

[signal bramble]

1. the nids are hitting everywhere.

2. at adepticon they said he’s hunting all the most dangerous beasts in the galaxy. Nids and Chaos basically have the monopoly on giant monsters as far as factions go.

[torpid narwhal]

Tau are commies

[vale shuttle]

oh yeah? tell me why

[torpid narwhal]

Its a meme chill out dude

[vale shuttle]

im perfectly chill

[celest dome]

Tau are more like the Indians Cast system than Commie tbh

[vale shuttle]

the tau aren't communist at all, Americans just have such a poor understanding of political systems that they see anything that promises better things for the population as communist

the tau caste system draws on quite a few caste systems throughout history. but i do agree that it's closest to indian

at least presently

[summer rover]

they're a pretty solidly racist imperialist country that cares more about saving face for the greater good than any form of goodwill for its lesser citizens. that is what america thinks communisim is, for the most part.

[dull talon]

Everyone a commie if you disagree enough 😂

[vale shuttle]

we about to bring McCarthyism into 40k

[arctic talon]

Only reason people call tau communists

Is because on the surface level

The greater good sounds like it

Kekw

[green loom]

I wonder what Watchers sound like

[arctic talon]

They don’t talk aside from using psychic messages

They just watch

[vale shuttle]

hmmmm

do psychic messages sound like something, or do they just appear in your brain like a thought?

[green loom]

Figure the latter

[plush mason]

so who was Valten in warhammer fantasy?

[celest dome]

Basically the 1st avatar of Sigmar

[torpid narwhal]

Its a meme chill the fuck out

[vale shuttle]

why is it when people get even the most minor pushback against their unfunny jokes they immediately shield themselves with "it's a meme chill out"

it's happened to me like three times just today in this channel

[torpid narwhal]

Its a literal meme

And you decide to start attacking my country for some reason

[vale shuttle]

then go post it in the meme channel?

[torpid narwhal]

The statement was from a meme

Take the L

[vale shuttle]

LMAO

bro receives even the slightest pushback, immediately goes "it's a meme, chill out, take the L"

[torpid narwhal]

It LITERALLY is a meme

Look up tau communism

[vale shuttle]

so what? you're posting it in the lore channel, and you were posting it in response to my, albeit off-the-cuff and unserious, list of 40k factions and if they were 'sane' or not

like i know, i know it's a meme, i understand. 40k fans like to bash their memes into the ground repeatedly, i've seen this meme dozens of times at least

[torpid narwhal]

You are the one turning this into a thing

[vale shuttle]

lmao

[torpid narwhal]

What amazing country are you from then

[vale shuttle]

i had long since moved on from this topic but you're the one who decided to ping me with the above message defending yourself in the weakest way possible

[torpid narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-cope-seethe-mald-gif-23320121

I made a joke about the tau and you attacked my intelligence like a child

[vale shuttle]

no i didn't, i asked for clarification on how the tau were communist

[torpid narwhal]

This

[vale shuttle]

it's a meme

chill out dude

[torpid narwhal]

Nice try

Take the L

https://tenor.com/view/cope-copeharder-coping-keepcoping-gif-21255783

[vale shuttle]

look i'll just leave you to keep posting these lame gifs, cause like- i stopped thinking about this topicc ages ago and i'm gonna stop thinking about it again

🤷

[torpid narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-my-orb-ponder-the-orb-neco-arc-cope-cope-harder-gif-24229532

[green loom]

I can get you an unironic answer if you want

[vale shuttle]

i don't believe that the tau are communist but im happy to hear it if you've got a good argument in good faith!

[green loom]

Idk about good faith

[dense mortar]

Ahhh. Another beautiful day to be a Space Wolf.

[crimson kayak]

Lol, being part of the Tau is good as long as you are actually Not part of their species

As auxiliaries have more freedom than Tau within the empire, and ethereals can't make you unalive yourself/do stupid shit with their spore/pheromone mcguffin

[green loom]

Unless you are/were apart of that last sphere that got flung into the warp spawning a whole big group of murderous xenophobic tau

[crimson kayak]

Tbf if you were In the last sphere of expansion you can call yourself lucky of being alive

[green loom]

The Tau present were probably quick to remedy that

[crimson kayak]

And then the fifth expedition went and bitch-slapped them back into xenophilia

(also if the Tau create Gellar fields they basically have better warpdrives as they are only dangerous when you use them to move a whole fleet en-masse)

[vocal drum]

is it possible to be a space marine and a pyker at the same time?

be juiced up physically and mentally?

[coarse pumice]

librarians

there's a chapter position for them in standard codex

[chilly creek]

Some chapters don't have them (e.g. Black Templars) or claim they don't (Space Wolves)

[crimson kayak]

Can't manually make them but Psykers can appear within space marine ranks sometimes

[coarse pumice]

Space Wolfs just have an off-brand version

[dry epoch]

Silver Skulls have built their whole creed around their Librarians. But then they’re a different flavour.

[rough condor]

There are some very powerful Librarian characters out there

[green loom]

Including Mephiston, one of the current big Psykers

[vocal drum]

cus i was watching that new trailer at 3mins 50 seconds it looks like a space marine + mental powers

it looks like a pyker with a staff in space marine armor

never seen that before lol

[green loom]

Look at this dracula looking mfker

[rough condor]

That would be a Librarian of the Ultramarines, specifically in Terminator armour

[green loom]

Yeah that's a Librarian

[vocal drum]

oh

did that guy lose against that tyranid? or win

i cant tell he fell to his knees

[green loom]

They all lost iirc

[rough condor]

Looked like he took on the might of the Hive Mind and lost

[green loom]

Ultras have a named Librarian in the form of Tigurius

[rough condor]

the very presence of a hive fleet of Tyranids puts a "shadow in the warp", basically their overpowering hive mind blocks out a lot of access to the warp which is what psykers of all types use for their powers

The fact he was able to put up much of a fight at all against those giant brain bugs proves he was a powerful Librarian

Shame it looks like he was about have his brain scrambled from the inside

[vocal drum]

what is it even possible to fight that thing that the libranian was fighting?

[rough condor]

Enough bullets usually does the job against xenos like that, but it would take a lot of concentrated firepower to bring down whatever psychic shields it has

[vocal drum]

meanwhile it just blows up heads across the battlefield?

thats crazy

[rough condor]

We have never seen a brain bug that big in the Tyranid bioforms before, we could be seeing a big-boss level creature

Like a Ghazghkull from the Orks or maybe even a Primarch level threat

[vocal drum]

btw thanks for the explanation was curious

[rough condor]

No worries, always love spouting 40k nonsense

[vocal drum]

the whole powerscaling in 40k is weird to me

we have orks who are OP who just wanna fight humans even tho losing still fighting,

and elduar are like humans just drunk and dying as well

[rough condor]

There are many flavours of Eldar

[crimson kayak]

Wasn't there one already?

[vocal drum]

^

[rough condor]

and Orks are just aggressive mushrooms really

[crimson kayak]

That if it blew up it blew up all tyranids around it too

[vocal drum]

that crazy OP one

theres a name for it

[crimson kayak]

Because of the synapse backlash

[rough condor]

That happens with a lot of synapse creatures

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but that was particular due to it being the "Psyker" nid

As in, if it blows up a whole section of nids pops with it

[rough condor]

Most synapse-linked bioforms have psyker abilities, in their own special ways

[crimson kayak]

Can't remember the name

[rough condor]

There is that one that spawns smaller gaunts

[queen laurel]

Yes and Those said mushrooms can turn your dishwasher into a working chainsaw machine gun

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah, Zohanthropes

[queen laurel]

Neurothoropes would be better

Because they have a lower chance of exploding

[rough condor]

"It just works" - the ork equivalent of Todd Howard

[vocal drum]

the doom of malantai no?

that destroyed waves of armies?

[queen laurel]

Soul eating bastard

[crimson kayak]

Yeah they already had a bunch of psykic bioforms already

[rough condor]

Ohh that looks exciting

[crimson kayak]

The new one is just the bigger version

[vocal drum]

[rough condor]

I should specify my earlier statement, we have not seen one that big on the tabletop

Rumours have called it the "Norn Queen Emissary", the Norn Queen being the central brain of a hive fleet

[queen laurel]

You want physical strength and psyker powers?

Then take this bastard

[rough condor]

Almost like it acts as the hand of the hive fleet itself I would guess

[rough condor]

She looks friendly

[crimson kayak]

Uh, that would mean we not gonna see a splinter this time but leviathan as a whole

[rough condor]

By how much the marines were getting shit on in that trailer, I wouldn't be surprised

[carmine sparrow]

Hi, sorry if it was discussed earlier but I was wandering what would be the Psyker Grade of our psykers. Any suggestions?

[celest dome]

Iota/Tetha/Eta

[coarse pumice]

Eldork

[celest dome]

Not powerful enough naturally that they get shipped to the Black Ships, but strong enough to be taught as War Psyker

[crisp heath]

tbf there are cases where having deja vu is enough to land your ass on a black ship

[celest dome]

Yes, but there are 2 categories of Psyker in the Black Ships, those that are too weak to be useful for the Inquisition or that other group or those that are strong but too damaged

[dense mortar]

I just comissioned a highyl detailed 3d model of a Space Wolf carrying a banner so I can 3D print a 30cm tall version and convert it into a desk lamp. Only cost me ||5 hondo||

[green loom]

Assuming this is real
Maybe I was wrong about this being a trolll

[dense mortar]

The 3D model cost more than the resin print

[open pumice]

I dont know whats worse them being a troll or them being legit

[dense mortar]

I happen to be an expert painter and hobby modeler. Once this bad boys complete, we'll see who the troll is.

[open pumice]

Zerokewl and corpse starch duking it out to see who has the worse takes

[dense mortar]

I mean, my takes are based in a pretty solid foundational and widely held concept that the Space Wolves are some bad hombres.

So is it really that crazy?

[celest dome]

I mean, the SW are cool, but not really that cool

[green loom]

The only thing "cool" about them is the frozen hellscape they live in
Everything else blows hard

Ok maybe not great companies

[dense mortar]

heh <gestures to their performance is the First War for Armageddon>

[green loom]

Everything they do is bullshit and cringe and the TS should've succeeded in killing them

[dense mortar]

'Should've' don't drink beer and kick ass

SW do

[open pumice]

Mam if only warhammer factions fates were decided by the community

We'd he left woth noting but imperial guard and sisyers of battle by the end of the week

[green loom]

Deserved too

Guard numba 1!!!

Now if only there weren't so many morons who liked the faction

[open pumice]

Your all terrible

[green loom]

There's this meme of

Guard fans

That goes
"uh oh here come the imperial guard fanboys"

Lemme see if I can find it

[open pumice]

40k fans try not to have dogshit takes challenge (litteraly impossible)

[celest dome]

If we could push all the IG morons in the same sub faction, like Krieg fans, and then just...

[open pumice]

Factual

[green loom]

Nowadays it's way more DKOK centered

[open pumice]

Krieg ia cool

Juat

Holy ahit ive had people larp them at games

Like dude

You do not need to put on thr worst german accent i have ever heard

To play your ww1 french inspired army

[signal bramble]

I just started a guard army recently actually. Though I only did it because of the new sculpts.

I could not stand the old ones. :/

[green loom]

I mean the new cadians are amazing

Old cadians were smaller than squats

[coarse pumice]

I prefer Steel Legion for that sort of look

[signal bramble]

I picked up the cadia stands box and I’m in the midst of painting them. It was good enough to make me ditch my Votann. I need to get around to selling them actually.

[green loom]

"Hey look at these cool armbands I painted on my Kriegers!"

[open pumice]

Guard are cool and theyre a fun army

There are just so many shit guard players

[green loom]

The fans are among the worst though ino

[open pumice]

Meh

All of the factions have their dogshit fanbases

[green loom]

Like I've seen a guy make kitbashes of cadians with blue berets, calling them the "Heroes of Gostomel" or something lmao

[signal bramble]

My guard color scheme is meant for them to be the men at arms for my knight house tbh.

[green loom]

Then you've got the never ending stream of wehraboos

[open pumice]

Alot of guard players would he happier playing flames of war tbh

[green loom]

Based

[open pumice]

Thats rad

[signal bramble]

White, black, and gold is hardly an original color scheme I know but it’s what I used. :x

[open pumice]

Dude every army ive ever played has been primarily red and gold, dont feel bad lmao

[green loom]

Every army I play is black and white with red extras

[signal bramble]

I’ve used a lot of reds. It’s why I enjoyed painting death guard and Slaanesh. Greens and purples and pinks.

[open pumice]

I can tell you what red paint you using by taste

[green loom]

I really like burgundy/maroon

Like

I mean really

[open pumice]

Burgundy is my favprite color

[green loom]

It's why I like Flesh Tearers, despite them being utter teamkilling dicks 99% of the time

[open pumice]

But for minis i typically go a cheri red for my marines, or a deep red for cloth

[signal bramble]

Sigvald burgundy is something I’ve been using a lot.

Looks great.

[open pumice]

Sigvald is a model i mean to painy

I want to paint that mans ass

[green loom]

I like pretty much every shade of dark red

[signal bramble]

You should also look in to a color called Screamer Pink and a contrast called Volupus pink.

They’re beautiful.

I use screamer pink for a lot of cloth bits.

[open pumice]

Wazdaka red and mephiston red are good reds

Especially for armor

[green loom]

I like Khorne red

[signal bramble]

I use meph red a lot for anything Admech.

[open pumice]

I am looking at doing some blood angela auxilia for hh

[green loom]

God I wish I could paint models

[open pumice]

Gonna probably do a burgundy red for them

[open pumice]

I do mephiston red, edge highlight white, and then blood angels red with a gloss varnish for my BA

Gives them a nice cherry red look

[green loom]

Once I figure out if GW shipping even works to here I might start

But the damn region I'd have to use is borked

[signal bramble]

Once the actual EC army comes out I’m looking forward to my pink and purple colored marines. XD

[open pumice]

Lmao cope

GW will keep cock teasing us with EC until the world ends

[green loom]

Do you guys order or do you just have an LGS?

[open pumice]

I have an lgs

[signal bramble]

They said EC are getting a codex though.

[open pumice]

But i order alot of stuff aswell

[signal bramble]

I order online.

[open pumice]

Generally i check my LGS first

[green loom]

Would make sense, only non undivided legion without one so far

[open pumice]

And if they dot hace it I order

[open pumice]

They also promised us more plastic infantry for HH

[green loom]

My LGS is in Vienna
Across 2 borders

[signal bramble]

I live in LA and the only LGS are 30-40 minutes away in good traffic. I’d rather just order online.

[green loom]

So I'm gonna have to try ordering

[open pumice]

Ny lgs are both 30 minutes away lmao

[signal bramble]

They announced EC are coming when they said the WE were coming. So I believe them.

[open pumice]

I still visit them frequently

[green loom]

Unfortunately the "rest of the world" option on the Geedubs site seems to be broken and doesn't allow me to check shipping costs

[open pumice]

Yoi can have EC when i get plastic assault marines

[signal bramble]

I also don’t save any money at the LGS. They charge GW prices and I have to use my own gas.

It’s just not a fiscally sound decision. I’m not hard up for disposable income but it’s just not efficient.

[green loom]

I'm terrified of

Import costs

And couriers

[signal bramble]

I use second hand online stores or shop around on Amazon. It’s saved me money a few times.

[green loom]

None of them ship to here sadly

Except Amazon but Amazon pretty much doubles the price for everything because of imports lmao

[open pumice]

Guh is it an actual lgs, or is it a gw/warhammer store

[open pumice]

Where is here

[signal bramble]

Actual lgs.

The only two closest to me don’t charge less than GW. It’s dumb af.

[green loom]

Tiny craphole called "The Republic of Serbia"

[signal bramble]

Where I used to live there was a cheaper store I’d go to all the time.

[open pumice]

Damn they must really not like their GW customers

Dude what the fu k

Why are thwre so many people coming thru a walmart at 10:30 am on a tuesday

These people genuinely need to get a life

[green loom]

People are cursed

[open pumice]

I just wanna enjoy my diet coke man

[sweet arch]

where do i go to complain about Ravenor Rogue

[open pumice]

Oh?

#40k-book-club @sweet arch

[iron locust]

What imperial forces other than the Cadians fought at the fall of cadia?

Cadians autocorrected to chadians

[open pumice]

Space marines, sisters of battle, custodian, and admech

Pretry much all of them lmao

[iron locust]

Any guard regiments other than the Cadians?

[iron locust]

Thanks for the list

[open pumice]

Yes 17 others

[storm jungle]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/13th_Black_Crusade

[iron locust]

Ah okay

[storm jungle]

Go there and search uh

"Armies of the Imperium order of battle"

it literally lists every one

[open pumice]

"Astra militarum regiments from 18 worlds"

[iron locust]

Alright

[astral whale]

Black Legion is just chaos not fighting chaos. Which isn’t chaos.

[gloomy citrus]

That's the definition of Undivided.

[astral whale]

No. They should still be infighting. Vying for power and the gifts of the gods.

[odd palm]

I'm not very familiar with BL lore, but aren't they infighting?
Would they not be constantly jockeying for influence within the legion, they may not be killing each other every second of the day. But undermining each other through subterfuge or victories.
With the aspiration of gaining a position within Abaddon's inner circle or supplanting him?

[celest dome]

The Black Legion still have infigthing and internal tensions

[odd palm]

Mmm, doesn't have to exclusively be the world eater version of infighting

[storm jungle]

That's literally what they do.

[signal bramble]

There’s always infighting. The main difference is that in other warbands it’s common for someone to challenge the leader for dominance. Meanwhile in the black legion no one is really dumb enough to challenge Abby 1v1.

[dense mortar]

They've also been trashed by the Wolves on several occassions.

[signal bramble]

Not really relevant but thanks for contributing. :p

[rose thorn]

im falling in love with the imperial navy

[storm jungle]

Zero I love you but I can't stop everyone from bullying you if you keep putting Space Wolves in every convo

[dense mortar]

Its true. Perhaps I talk faun over them a bit too much. I will become a more generalized conversationalist going forward.

[rose thorn]

yeah lmao, i may adore the word bearers but if every time someone mentions rowboat guillotine i dont scream revenge for monarchia

[celest dome]

So we have Custodial permission to Bully the Doggo legion

[rose thorn]

despite how much i want to

[storm jungle]

Just keep it playful and not to extreme levels

last thing I want is a person not wanting to talk in lore chat because they feel outcasted

[rose thorn]

or talk about how lorgar has literally never been wrong

and how he evented chapters and rowboat stole it

[celest dome]

Lorgar was alright, it's the Emperor that was at fault

[rose thorn]

YESSS

[celest dome]

But still a net loss for Mankind

Both the Emperor and any of his spawns

[rose thorn]

i wonder how does ultramarine see word bearers?

is it like a one side eternal hatred?

[odd palm]

It’s mutual

[dense mortar]

"You have a duty, Lorgar," said the Emperor. "A duty to my vision of humanity. A duty to my Imperium. And you have shirked that duty. You have led your legion astray with your talk of religion, your dalliance with the powers of the Warp, and your belief in gods. You have blasphemed against the very principles that I founded this Imperium on. And you have done so in my name."

The Emperor's voice rose to a shout.

"You are a fool, Lorgar. A weakling. And worst of all, you are a traitor. You have betrayed me, and you have betrayed the Imperium. And for that, there can be no forgiveness."

[rose thorn]

also being a word bearer and getting bullied for no reason is lore accurate

[celest dome]

Wasn't there a document somewhere about inter legion relations ?

[dense mortar]

Big E will forgive everything right up until Betrayal it seems.

[celest dome]

The Emperor can forgive what ever it want, he and all his spawns are a Plague to Mankind

[odd palm]

The Primarchs are useful tools

[rose thorn]

LMAO yeah WB were already a dying dog after Monarchia, his 'forgiveness' would be loosing his legion

[odd palm]

They do be conquering

[dense mortar]

magnus the red, forgiven. Guillman, Forgiven. Vulkan, frogiven. Lorgar. . . eeeeehhhhhh

[odd palm]

[celest dome]

Still they caused more hardship to Mankind than anything else

[rose thorn]

emperor flipped his shit on magnus like an abusive parent lmao

[celest dome]

And other people did just as well at conquering. Like Lord Solar

[dense mortar]

But lets pontificate for a moment, and imagine humanity without the Primarchs to lead their legions?

[rose thorn]

and didnt give a shit after Russ tried to murder him

[odd palm]

Riddle me this, if the Primarch’s aren’t a highly dysfunctional brotherhood of genocidal nerds then how come they effectively conquered the galaxy three times?

[dense mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-showing-restraint-calm-down-mad-angry-gif-13416205

Month of Shame is a thing.

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-showing-restraint-calm-down-mad-angry-gif-13416205

I despise month of shame with all my heart

[odd palm]

The wolves got off easy

[rose thorn]

still better then the fuckin war of the beast

[storm jungle]

Anything that gives the middle finger to the Inquisition and the even more mary sue grey knights is a win in my book.

[celest dome]

And I see only the righteous glory that the Emperor stole from us

[rose thorn]

thats completely fair, but THEY STOLE AN AXE WITH A GREaTER DEMON OF KHORNE IN IT

[storm jungle]

WE DONT TALK ABOUT THAT

[rose thorn]

AND THERE WAS ZERO CONSEQUENCES

[odd palm]

Eh, the Grey Knights don’t have enough in universe impact to bother me

[celest dome]

And they never managed to keep it under control

[odd palm]

True

But who cares for control when glory comes first?

[rose thorn]

I CAN FORGIVE THE GREY KNIGHTS LOSING IF THE SW DIDNT STEAL ONE OF GK’S ANIME WEAPON BULLSHIT

AND LIVED

THATS WHY A GK CHARACTER WITH ZERO MEANINGFUL LORE HAS A MODEL

[odd palm]

I suppose the 13th, 17th, 7th and 4th were truly capable of producing worlds you can control for various reasons

[rose thorn]

Yeah their only gimmick is killing demons, and being loyalest 1k sons basically. Which is kinda mid but they are French knights with anime protagonist style characters

I wish they get an actual reason to do literally anything else

[odd palm]

They are a one trick pony

[rose thorn]

Yeah but damn, SoB and DW have a solid excuse to do other shit

[odd palm]

And arguably the most steadfast and loyal. So the most trustworthy, but also the least because of the foes they face

Well the SoB are kinda a one trick pony too, but they have non militant branches which fleshes out a bland sub faction

[rose thorn]

I do love how Gw explains imperium v grey knight battles that ‘yeah a random person in their army got possessed by the demon you are hunting. So you are gonna murder all of them just in case’

[crimson kayak]

Now that I think about it

Was there ever a reason for keeping the gk secret?

[celest dome]

Stupid Imperium being stupid ?

[copper patrol]

grimderk

[crimson kayak]

Oh that's obvious, but I meant if there was any excuse

Or if it was just "yes they are a secret because they are"

[vale shuttle]

they're secret because the citizens of the imperium just can't know about chaos and daemons the knowledge is too dangerous

so the anti-daemon astartes must be hidden, you see!!!

[odd palm]

Ignorance is bliss, some would ask “what are the deeds of the grey knights?” Most wouldn’t know, but perhaps word would eventually get about that their purpose is to fight daemons.
Then some minds would then reason, there truly must be daemons everywhere if there is a chapter of space marines, humanities most feared and renowned military force to face them.

Let alone two others to lesser degrees, the Exorcists and Red Hunters respectively

[crimson kayak]

Exorcists also fight non-daemonic threats

[rose thorn]

Yea exorcists are basically to grey knights as The Griffins are to Black Templars

Weirdly exorcists have mroe anti demon rules then GKs lmao

[signal bramble]

It’s also possible that there are more than one threat on a planet. The GK could be heading to a warzone where there are Orks vs Astra Militarum and where a hidden cult opened a warp portal.

[crimson kayak]

Man I love the griffins

[rose thorn]

Idk shit about them. I heard three are diet BT

They are*

[crimson kayak]

Wait... What griffon named chapter are we talking about?

[rose thorn]

The knight guys?

[crimson kayak]

They... Don't share much from bt except knight themes?

I'm speaking these guys (and I fucking love those helmets)

[arctic talon]

The faction themselves aren’t that secret visually

If they’re seen people just think weird silver space marines

The issue is when they show up in a warzone

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile moebian regiments fighting chaos every day

[storm jungle]

Anytime someone tries to explain why the GK try to keep themselves secret you remember most Imperial guard and space marine chapters fight daemons/chaos armies on a daily basis

[rose thorn]

Yaeh they are baller, ther are some successors that are cooler then anything gw sells lmao

there was a chapter i like that were only midly insane and held giant feasts eating their dead

i forgot who they were

oh yeha im in love with the imperial navy athestic

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/17/ImperialNavyArmsmen.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120914145807

idk, something about it just does it fo rme

strange because i think the iron guard or what ever they are called look like they were meant to sell nerf guns

[celest dome]

They make me think of that Space pirate animated movie

[rose thorn]

YEAHHh

[celest dome]

Treasure planet or something

[rose thorn]

they got that privateer vibe

which i adore

ive been thinking about making an imperial navy themed guard army

and then i alwasy get told like 'BUT HTey OnLY FighT WIth SHips'

like no ship has been boarded ever

or people ever had to get out of a boat to fight

[celest dome]

Didn't they get a Kill team about that ?

[rose thorn]

okay so the breachers are a specalized group

so while voidsmen actually operate the ship, breachers dont do shit until they need to breach

so they are only around when they are expected to breach something. otherwise IN never breach ships

like a space hulk or osmething

i cant think of a situation when a bunch of starved imperial slaves would be worth shoving in expensive equipment to breach a ship just to get mulled by a green tide

[crimson kayak]

just play it as a rogue trader and you are golden

also breachers are to voidsmen what scions are to guards

[rose thorn]

yee

i also love rogue traders <3

[rose thorn]

huh the rouge trader box can almost be perfectly proxied as a cadian command squad

except they are 25mm base and cadians are 28mm

(for some reason)

well i can just buy base adapters

[crisp heath]

Humanity is beset on all sides by mutants, heretics, and xenos threats. Now, a force thought defeated threatens Holy Terra itself, and Imperial lines, already stretched thin, must move to defend the Throneworld…

FUCK YEAH CALLED IT

TYRANIDS ON TERRA LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[rose thorn]

WE BALL

THE SHADOWTHRONE BOX SET MEANT SOMETHING

[crimson kayak]

lol, genestealers sending the synapse signal back to leviathan and leviathan being like "oh shit we better build the big toys"

[crisp heath]

Those genestealers weren't lying, that Lord can Swarm

[arctic talon]

Genestealers have been on terra for a while

They’re in an active war

With the PDF, gangs, admech and custodes on terra

[vale shuttle]

||emperor is eaten by Tyranids and they gain magic wizard powers and become fascists||

[crisp heath]

Yeah but now it's the tyranids that don't suck

[arctic talon]

I mean

The gsc aren’t losing their war

Is the thing

[crisp heath]

It doesn't count if genestealers win

A tyranid victory doesn't count if it comes at the cost of dignifying genestealers

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crimson kayak]

The good ending

[vale shuttle]

i saw a thread on Reddit talking about what the Tyranids would gain if they ate a primarch and my favourite response was "the ability to hijack the setting with a bloated book series"

so maybe if they ate the emperor they'd get like 400 model releases across the "Tyranid warriors" line

[plush mason]

lmao

[shadow musk]

dude getting into a stupid argument online

Samurai jack claps Kharn right I am not crazy am I

[green loom]

You're debating how well a toy would do against a fantasy samurai man who kills robots with a very sharp metal stick, think we're well past crazy here

[storm jungle]

Also has basically fought every sci-fi creature on the face of the earth

And TO BE FAIR Jack's sword is literally forged by gods so

[green loom]

It's at least more fresh than star wars vs 40k

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo

[open pumice]

they become facists, and slowly start to loose extra lims
overtime they slowly become humanoid, and then a new nid comes along, and realizes they need to unite humanity
they creat 21 mega nids, but 2 mysteriously dissapear, and 10 betray him
wait a minute...

[plush mason]

which Jack? young or old?

[shadow musk]

young

"peak" if you will

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside though yeah he would slap Kharn.

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Like no offense to him I love Kharn

[shadow musk]

same

[storm jungle]

but like, Jack has killed tougher foes than him

[green loom]

Kharn ain't the protagonist neither, Jack is

[plush mason]

and honestly old Jack would likely do so even faster lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao this too

tho by that age he literally just wants to die but thats because he has no purpose in life

[plush mason]

poor man never got back to his own time

[open pumice]

Killing kharn over and over is a purpose anyone can get behind

[storm jungle]

HE DID

[green loom]

Especially Khorne

[storm jungle]

But uh

it wasnt really a happy ending sadly

[plush mason]

oof

[green loom]

Le time wimey bullshit

[storm jungle]

^

The last season wraps it up in a nice bundle

[green loom]

Mfw the consequences of my actions catch-up without warning

[storm jungle]

His to-be-wife decides to Thanos-snap at the worst possible time IN THEIR WEDDING

so you know, life sucks

[shadow musk]

like if I had to pick a "tier" for jack

less then a primarch

stronger than a castodes

[storm jungle]

Yeah deffo

[open pumice]

average thousand son, at all times

[plush mason]

unrelated but, i knew that armor next to the emporium in VT2 was a new skin for Kruber

[open pumice]

i feel like measuring jack up against 40k is weird, as how strong he is at any point in time depends on what the plot demands

[storm jungle]

Honestly thats 40k too

[open pumice]

if the plot demanded he lost to a tactical marine he'd loose to a tac marine

[green loom]

40k also flip flops just on lore

[open pumice]

true, but we have a rules absed game that makes some things fit better

as much as the rules don't reflect the lore

[storm jungle]

[open pumice]

theyre the closest we have to an objective measurement of a model

[plush mason]

who da fuck is Luthor Huss

[storm jungle]

oh god

[shadow musk]

also I ahve not played the game in a few months is veteran still like the best class

[storm jungle]

His guns go pew-pew

[shadow musk]

indeed

[storm jungle]

so I like him

[open pumice]

thats fantasy not 40k

[storm jungle]

Basically short-short version. Badass sigmarite priest.

[green loom]

He's Volkmar but less boring

[storm jungle]

also this

[open pumice]

he should be renamed to big cock mc massive dick

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Luthor_Huss

Heres his lexi page

nicely detailed surprisingly

[green loom]

Is he the guy that runs up to Archaon with Valten?

[open pumice]

he needs an entire reiksguard regiment to cary his massive balls arounds

[green loom]

I forget

[storm jungle]

Uh

does the guy you speak of get horrifically tortured

and end up as a malformed corpse on a chaos banner

if so thats Volkmar

[vale shuttle]

god i know this pain

[storm jungle]

I actually cannot remember what happens to Huss during the End Times

time to visit 4chan

[open pumice]

end times isn't real

[green loom]

I think he just gets gibbed by Archaon along with Valten

[open pumice]

he doesnt appear

[storm jungle]

Yeah lemme take a look

[open pumice]

he's a character they jsut forgot about

[storm jungle]

Like with Skarsnik

rip

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHppebJrwzw it was in regards to this, also i love that the new VT2 pack is just the Ubershrick 5 cosplaying as heroes from the canon kekw

[open pumice]

yeah

[storm jungle]

god i still cant believe

they gave Kerillian bare feet

I always hated Alarielle's model lmao

[shadow musk]

also the new lion model

looks fucking dope

[open pumice]

i'd chomp those beans

[storm jungle]

AA-

[open pumice]

absolutely

[storm jungle]

It has jawas so I agree.

also some weird old man

idk why hes there

[green loom]

All the High Elves in Total War look so cool
Then there's Alarielle

[storm jungle]

YEP

[open pumice]

i've jsut always hated Alarielle

full stop

[plush mason]

she is the Everqueen so blame tolkin's Galadriel for that

[storm jungle]

I hate it because shes just "generic pretty princess"

[open pumice]

fucking treeple

Wood elves?

[storm jungle]

We got 2 Galadriel ripoffs

[open pumice]

fuckign cringe

[storm jungle]

one is Ariel

the other is Alarielle

[open pumice]

burn down aethel loren and sue it to fuel nuln

[storm jungle]

try not to mix them up

kek

[plush mason]

lmao

[green loom]

Mfw GW naming conventions

[storm jungle]

Treebeard meanwhile is just Durthu

whos Hitler

and launches Branchkrieg on everyone

mostly France

[open pumice]

France deserved it

fuck brettonia

[storm jungle]

I agree sorry Bretonnia

[green loom]

I do love my Mandalore

[storm jungle]

anyway yeah dont go near Athel Loren

[open pumice]

it's interchangable

[green loom]

Frengland is always very funny to murder

[open pumice]

do go near it, with abotu a thousand steam tanks

we need that wood

to fuel the furnaces of nuln

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

once you see them that is impossible. one is beyond generic elven queen and the other is a moth women right out of a metal band album cover kek

[storm jungle]

lmao yeah true

[green loom]

You're also contractually obliged to nuke athel Loren as Ikit

[storm jungle]

The wood elves are the only WHF elves I hate

they are literally just massively racist murderhobo celtic people

Dark Elves are at least funny and High Elves are at least helpful and keep chaos at bay from the entire world

the others just let dryads murder innocent people constantly because "muh forest spirits"

https://tenor.com/view/dance-bosmer-dance-bosmer-wood-elf-eso-gif-15178657

[green loom]

Drycha has the right idea, just kill the lot of them

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Drycha's racism rivals the entirety of the Imperium

[open pumice]

The dark elves are cool

they have cool lore

and theyre also unapologetically evil

[storm jungle]

Raiding and murdering is great

[open pumice]

which is why theyre good imo

they aren't like

ooh were fighting to save our souls like the high elves and wood elves

theyre just

fuck them kids

[storm jungle]

The entire fucking reason

they want slaves

[green loom]

Morathi being totally not a chaos worshipper

[storm jungle]

is because they dont wanna do work

idk how much based they can get

[open pumice]

they got that oen from the chorfs

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-gif-16732505

[storm jungle]

Lmao

Chorfs got free real estate with orks

[green loom]

It's a shame that like, the only mod that makes the Cult of Pleasure more Slaanesh faction esque is on loverslab

[open pumice]

chorfs straight up bred orks to be bigger, dumber, and more violent, accidentally let them loose on the world, and inadvertently caused the end of the dawi as a whole

[storm jungle]

LDSFKLSLS

[open pumice]

based as hell

[storm jungle]

Thats what we all karma 🙏

[storm jungle]

Thats what stupid bitches get

sorry Morathi

I love your vibes but you are really killing my mood when I play Malekith

take your yee yee ass chaos corruption somewhere else

[green loom]

You don't like Lean volcanoes?

[storm jungle]

DSFKLSDDS

God i hated thos when I first saw them

then I went down Naggaroth's south and realised shes literally right at my door

EVERYWHERE was Lean

[green loom]

It looks so cursed lmao

Honestly

[storm jungle]

it really does 💀

[green loom]

The best "corruption" effect

[open pumice]

I love how cartoony it looks tbh

[green loom]

Is when Orcs take over Dwarf areas

[open pumice]

they did a great job with that

[green loom]

And you see the random ruin bits on the map get ramshackle orc crap slapped on them

[storm jungle]

I remember taking over karaz-a-karak as grimgor

and I just renamed it

"Da Stupid Rok Fort"

[green loom]

Pigbarter reigns supreme

[storm jungle]

Maşallah 🙏

[green loom]

3 spoiled me so much, I can't play 2 anymore

[storm jungle]

I mean its basically "2 but better"

same with how when 2 came out it was "1 but better"

so 🙏

[green loom]

Best save up ig

[storm jungle]

ah yeah true

[green loom]

Would buy it and chorfs but they're the most expensive dlc yet so

[storm jungle]

Yeah best save up for now

especially with the rumors that apparently CA wont be supporting this game as long as 2

[open pumice]

just bough chorfs lmao

[open pumice]

yeah those rumors are not unfounded

CA leaves a game when it doens't make money

[storm jungle]

Nah its not rumors. Its true.

[green loom]

I don't even have 10 euros

[open pumice]

and they kinda fucked up on the "make a game that doesn't loose money" aspect

taking 6 months to put I.E> out in a beta state was

a choice

but theres also

not much that needs to be added

like

chorfs are the last major faction

[green loom]

Nippon

[open pumice]

and border princes are the last faction in the game without any playable lords

[green loom]

Though iirc their model line was

Very racist

[storm jungle]

It was

wanna hear about uh

Clan Toyota

or Clan Honda

[green loom]

Naked ashigaru

[storm jungle]

or our suicide samurai with powder barrels on their backs

[open pumice]

we can do without nipon

[storm jungle]

YEET

[green loom]

Just

Put clan eshin there

[storm jungle]

As a muslim tho Araby has my approval, I like flying carpets (:

[green loom]

Araby would be cool

[storm jungle]

yeah its not that racist

its just stereotypes

which doesnt go past beyond genies and carpets

[open pumice]

meh

[storm jungle]

its eh

[open pumice]

theyre probabyl gonna follow what GW is actually gonna bring back

and theyre probabyl gonna focus on the factions that people actually know and care about

[plush mason]

agreed. given me my Arabian pirates and slavers CA

[open pumice]

and have more than half a paragraph on their lexicanum page

like

I don't see GW bringing back either Nippon or Arabay

much like how I don't see them brigning back the old cyclops lore :)

or printing liber chaotica ever again

[green loom]

Southern Realms/Wasteland lacks so much cool stuff 😦

[echo vault]

Mr hands as a new legendary bretonnia lord

[open pumice]

thats because it does, infact, alck any cool stuff

[plush mason]

they could, it would take a lot of rework on Nippon tho, if they are willing to take Cathay and make it into a real faction there is little reason they cant remake Nippon

[open pumice]

it's not called the wastelands because its prosperous

[open pumice]

Nah, thats just you average brettonian citizen

[green loom]

Also I feel dogs of war would be very easy to implement

[echo vault]

super mr hands

[green loom]

But they aren't doing it for whatever reason

[open pumice]

the difference is cathay had the grounds for making a real faction

[plush mason]

true

[open pumice]

Nippon is just

"what if racist japan"

[echo vault]

everyone is hideki tojo

[open pumice]

"wait thats too much racist"

"well we can't ever write lore about that now"

[echo vault]

I mean they taught clan eshin how to be stealthy

[open pumice]

This is my biggest problem with most of the eastern empires

[plush mason]

unironically making the Japanese faction even more racist than irl Japan kekw

[open pumice]

heres [cool thing]

well actually [eastern faction] got [cool thing] first, and they tought everyone how to use it, because theyre so cool guys

[storm jungle]

The skaven literally just

did the Master Splinter thing

[echo vault]

ye

[storm jungle]

watch guys do kung fu

[echo vault]

thats the plot to lisa the pointless

[open pumice]

Cathay is cool

[storm jungle]

"Ok now we know kung fu yes-yes"

[open pumice]

but

[storm jungle]

Cathay is FINE.

[open pumice]

cathay is cool

but like

[green loom]

Cathay and Kislev lack content

[open pumice]

they have a bit to much

[echo vault]

i wish chinese people were real

[open pumice]

wow look at all the cool stuff they did before everyone else because theyre so smart and ingenious

[green loom]

loses anyway

[open pumice]

agree on cathay, disagree on kislev

[open pumice]

factual

kislev culd always sue more content

[green loom]

Idk Kislev is tiny for one
And their roster is just, eeeeh

[open pumice]

but they don't lack it

oh you mean

ingame content

[echo vault]

I mean total warhammer 3 has been the most lore they've ever had

[plush mason]

Kislev can not be anymore stereotypical tsarist Russia if it tried, save for the Oblast system ofc

[green loom]

They have 3 reskins and Streltsy as their only gunpowder unit

[open pumice]

most of the rosters are based on their ingame stuff

[open pumice]

not really?

[green loom]

And NO anti large except like, some cavalry

[open pumice]

they were just tied into the empire

not

really ever used as their own faction until later in the game

[green loom]

I don't understand why they don't have a spear unit that isn't crappy hybrid inf

Also why is like 90% of their damn roster hybrid inf

[open pumice]

because CA is sticking to 8th ed warhammer fantasy

[echo vault]

just in a burst of lore stuff they definitely had

[plush mason]

tbf iceguard with glaives are far from crappy

[open pumice]

or atleast trying too

[open pumice]

fair

also

becuase a kislev spear unit would just be empire spears tbh

[green loom]

That shouldn't be a problem

[open pumice]

well

if ya want empire spears

theres this neat mechanic

called the allied recruitment mechanic

[green loom]

The 3 elf factions all get their own spears 😦

[plush mason]

getting an alliance with the empire is hella easy as kislev

[open pumice]

they are designed for it

i'm certain

they put a huge emphasis on alliances this game

[green loom]

Dwarf+handgunner line

Don't need terrain since you can shoot over the dwarfs

[open pumice]

they put this huge importance on allied units this game

between the warriors of chaos and the norscan vassals

[green loom]

Aren't you limited to like 4 allied units per army

[open pumice]

the new empire campaign

[plush mason]

my minimum height vet agrees. literally so small i can jump thru half open windows kekw

[open pumice]

you shouldn't need more than like 4 empire halberdiers

[green loom]

I need 9 to go with my 9 ranged units

[open pumice]

play the game better ig

when I play empire I only run like 4 units of halberdiers

[plush mason]

empire halberdiers are a shit front line tbh. better to put the spearmen with shields up front and put the halberdiers behind them

[open pumice]

4 halberdiers, 4 greatswords, 2 reiskguard, 4 handgunners, 2 arties, and like 3 heroes

[open pumice]

yeah but they bully the A.I. for the auto resolve

[plush mason]

true

[open pumice]

which is why I run greatsowrds aswell

they bully autoresolve

besides if yu set them up right

they use their enti charge

then you follow them up with a greatsowrds unit form behind

and hammer > anvil a reikdsgaurd or two

most infantry just

ceases to be a problem

if it's a real problem

thats when you bring in karl franz with the steel chair

archaon coming back for the 29348762398 time
Karl franz coming in with the ghal moraz and every orange rankup steel chair about to get his 50th level

[vale shuttle]

so are there any limits to the side of an adeptus sororitas order like there are space marines?

[storm jungle]

Nope they can get as many recruits as they want

they are more numerous than Space Marines but not more than Guardsman

the Major Orders have BIG numbers but side from that along with the added factor of homebrew the question falls to "It depends"

[plush mason]

like most numbers for 40k

[vale shuttle]

hmmmm okay

[plush mason]

like the guard is somewhere in the high trillions but a single regiment could be less than 10k in size at full strength lol

[vale shuttle]

so it'd be reasonable for my homebrew Sororitas, who come from a cardinal-shrine world and don't make imperial guard regiments instead only using the Sororitas, could easily have multiple tens of thousands of women

[plush mason]

yes

[vale shuttle]

very cool 😎

[plush mason]

ngl its crazy to think about the size of the imperium's armed forces

[vale shuttle]

most of the numbers are silly low it feels

[plush mason]

what is really crazy is, the civilian pop is insanely higher than even the guard lol

[vale shuttle]

like the obvious one is a space marine chapter having 1K marines capped out

[plush mason]

hell some estimate there is only about a million loyalist space marines in the galaxy

[vale shuttle]

i mean yeah but civilian populations are always much larger than military populations in postindustrial societies

[vale shuttle]

this is basically canon

1000 chapters * 1000 marines = 1 million marines

[plush mason]

not all chapters follow the codex's rules tho

[vale shuttle]

true but not all chapters are full strength

[plush mason]

the space wolves and dark templars and dark angels being the most famous canon examples of such

[vale shuttle]

so you just split the difference and assume that it balances out to 1000 per chapter

[shadow musk]

DUDE

numbers

in 40k

are made up

you just adjust in your head

to the jumber that makes sense

[plush mason]

true but even the highest estimated number of standing guardsmen is way way smaller than the estimated civilian pop, plus the imperium is a militaristic fascist theocracy so it should have a lot higher military to civilian ratio

[shadow musk]

the lazyness of some authors to not even look up "hmm how many people were in the largest battle in wwII"

[vale shuttle]

look man i just wanted to make sure i wouldn't get laughed out of all the lore clubs that definitely exist when i said how big my Sororitas order was!!!!!

[shadow musk]

and then just X20

[vale shuttle]

don't judge me!!!!

[shadow musk]

nah your fine

im just ranting

at some of the dumber lore

[vale shuttle]

true i guess

[plush mason]

like afaik the highest number of guardsmen is like 30 trillion while the civilian pop is like over a quadrillion lol

[shadow musk]

like for example marines start as scouts

right

now just think about it for a second without even knowing anything at all about the military

you have guys responsible for giving you infromation about the lay of the land/enemy force composition and numbers and the general situation on the group

and they are very likley to make first contact with the enemy

do you what those guys to be your newbies or your veterans

[plush mason]

plus how does scouting help train them to become walking tanks

[vale shuttle]

scouting would probably be better done by human auxiliaries or something

[shadow musk]

nah you want guys that can keep up

[vale shuttle]

true i didn't consider that

[plush mason]

btw. these numbers mean that only 3% of the imperial pop is in the guard at any time

[shadow musk]

space marines IRL would be devistating for none of the resasons the authors think they would be

dont need food dont need water dont need to sleep

move at highway speed

the mobility and opperational tempo

would crush any normal army

[plush mason]

yeah

[summer rover]

they do need food, water, and sleep. they just are about to go without for WAY longer than anything should.

[crisp heath]

The "logic" behind having scout companies being made up almost entirely of new recruits is that the scout company even in codex compliant chapters can put the chapter well over 1,000

It's basically the guard logic again, there's a lot of them and they're expendable. The "grown up" marines are the ones who survive scouting

And part of surviving scouting is not messing up your job and getting executed after the battle is over

There are also 100 vanguard marines in a chapter's 10th company to keep the scouts on task and train them

I'm not sure what they did before Primaris, but I'm assuming there was someone to look after the baby marines

[green loom]

Think the 10ths role pre Vanguard was training/scouting and protecting the recruitment worlds

Really need to homebrew up some stuff and maybe try running a campaign

[coarse pumice]

I always thought scouts being trainees was dumb

[green loom]

Technically they aren't trainees, those are below them

[sleek wigeon]

and the guard is still untold billions
that is terrifying

one shudders to imagine 5% or even 10% of the imperium being militarum

[plush mason]

it kinda is if you count the PDF/militia forces

[open pumice]

Scouts being a dumbass idea is the point

it's supposed to be fucking stupid

thats

the point

thats like complaining that the techpriests of mars shun inovation that doesn't come from ssome 15000 year old box for a problem that doesn't exist anymore

the point is that it's fucking dumb

"Why do imperial ships shoot guns with bullets the size of a honda civic"
"Why didn't the imperiums most powerful fighting force leave the fucking imperial palace for 10000 years"
"Why didn't the emperor just make more primarchs, why was it some dumb ass number like 20"
"Why is the ecchlesiarchy the way it is"

becuase the imperium is stupid and your supposed to point at it and go

"thats fucking stupid"

[coarse pumice]

no, the problem is that the scouts thing breaks immersion while those other things mentioned don't

[open pumice]

the 8 ft tall super soldier in power armor that shoots a bullet that makes no goddamn sense, deploys in formations that make no goddamn sense, and are notorious for using dumbass tactics, like "lets put away our scifi mass reactive guns and take out a chainsaw and run, screaming, at the enemy. That'll show em", makes a tactical decision that makes no goddamn sense and is stupid

this is immersion breaking

[coarse pumice]

they're 7' tall, people didn't realise that his foot started on the 1' marker

[open pumice]

bru

honestly

[coarse pumice]

this infamous picture

look at the feet

[open pumice]

the astartes propensity for melee and adorning themselves with bright ass colors is more immersion breaking than scouts being new rectruits

especially since the dumbass lore reason actually kind of makes sense in a "40k makes piss all sense" kind of way

[open pumice]

liek, scout marines not being real marines so that way a chapter can have more than 1000 total marines is, in my opion, a very 40k thing

[coarse pumice]

melee tradition is presumably due to their armour technology and their use in boarding actions

[open pumice]

imperial forces have been melee focused since before astartes and boarding actions

thunder warriors were melee focused

hell

custodes use spears as their primary weaponn

they will go up to vehicles and stab them with a spear rather than use any kind of real tactics

[coarse pumice]

circumventing the 1000 limit from the codex is one thing, but making them your scouts which is a critical area is worse

custodes perform a role of ceremonial guards as much as they are a combat unit

[open pumice]

in a universe where you can scan an entire planet from orbit and get exact readouts of enemy disposition, scouts aren't that important tbh

[open pumice]

yeah, but they are just a very egregious example of a imperial thing as a whole

[coarse pumice]

if they were irrelevant, the role would never have come into existence at all

[open pumice]

it's existence is to circumvent the 1000 marines limit

and while their at it

also

no

this is 40k

being irrelevant is the reason for existence

in the firstplace

see: STCs being the only source of new ideas

see: IG not using environmentally sealed suits as standard issue

see: Custodes, just, in general

see: sisters of battle existing because some law only says men at arms

[coarse pumice]

That's not the same

those things came about due to silly things that caused their need

[open pumice]

so theres a silly little thing here

put some new recruits in a useless role

so we can have asmany astartes as we want

simple as

[coarse pumice]

what I'm saying is that if scouting were really irrelevant, they wouldn't have thought of it at all because there was no need

[green loom]

Unrelated but have you guys seen the new scuffed "Lion Guard"

[odd palm]

You mean bladeguard?

[green loom]

yes

[coarse pumice]

if it was to fill space, they would have called them trainees because scouting wouldn't have been thought of, and if there was actually a need for proper scouting, they would send veterans rather than greens for it

[open pumice]

its guilliman

he probably found a word that sounded neet

[green loom]

Literally repackaged blade guard with a new name

No upgrades nothing

Just bladeguard

[open pumice]

L

finally

space marine getting some fo tht

every other faction treatment

[coarse pumice]

you can argue there are valid reasons for the bright heraldry to be used sometime tbh, for some roles but it was silly to rentcon away their camo

[open pumice]

scout marines do some scouting, but its not nearly as important of a battlefield role as it is today

[coarse pumice]

Basically for the same reason bright uniforms were used in the first place

[green loom]

How come Black Templars can get fancy unique models while everyone else is left to dry

[open pumice]

you can use the magic scifi augury scanner box to find the exact disposition of forces all over the place

[coarse pumice]

they were someone's pet chapter during 3rd edition

[open pumice]

how come the space marine codex is the size of the corebook and every other armies codex is less than half that size

[coarse pumice]

it causes a feedback loop

[green loom]

I mean my complaint branches out to guard and Tau not being as diverse as they could be but ya kno

[open pumice]

an't wait for these new battlecards and the space marine player across me has a stack the size of my commander deck

[open pumice]

guard ar enever getting 8000000 regiments

there are simply too many regiments mentioned in passing ro in a specific book series to ever even be considered past a sort time made to order special

[coarse pumice]

the feedback loop of GW thinking other armies won't sell when they release half assed products for them so people quit or if starting are funneled towards marines

[green loom]

Doesn't mean we couldn't get a unit for the big ones at least

[open pumice]

i mean do you though

do you need valhallan iceworlders as a unit

[coarse pumice]

Guard have the issue of the regiments looking too different model wise

[green loom]

I certainly wouldn't mind

[open pumice]

the answer is no

take an infantry unit

and get creative

[coarse pumice]

space marines are just a recolour and some extra gubbins for the most part

easy for the designer and low effort

[open pumice]

the only reason krieg has a unit this eddition is because they got a KT

[coarse pumice]

while a cadian, catachan, steel legion, valhallan, mordian are all so different to each other

for example

though the funny thing is that the metals were cheaper then than plastic now

[open pumice]

lmao

the model quality ha definitely improved

but even with inflation

the prices are unjustifiable

[green loom]

You want an infantry squad? 100 buckaroos pal

[coarse pumice]

that can be arguable too, some of the old metals had a lot of charm, and in places were really well sculpted for a game

[green loom]

The models are the price of AAA games

[open pumice]

I feel the new models look better

the old models definitely had charm

but were looking at them with the nostalgia goggles

like

the new guard just

[coarse pumice]

and for line infantry, £4 for 5 single piece metals isn't something you would argue with when making massive units

[open pumice]

simply look so much better than what they replaced

[open pumice]

this 100%

[crisp heath]

The only opinion I have on the metal models is that I hate them because they're responsible for that stupid fucking topknot

[open pumice]

I think metal models are bad because theyre a pain in my ass to paint

[coarse pumice]

lmao yeah, I think they were really easy for scuolterd to do

[open pumice]

and you can't do any conversions with them

[coarse pumice]

you could convert them

[green loom]

Lemme grab my welder

[coarse pumice]

painting was the same really, I would say the single piece models were very easy for the most part

[open pumice]

mans wipping out his welding iron

[coarse pumice]

multipart metal was annoying

[green loom]

melts model

Woops

[open pumice]

yeah no

moving away from metal

[coarse pumice]

for conversions, we used a tiny drill and pinned models together

[open pumice]

good idea

[coarse pumice]

it was pretty common

[crisp heath]

Even if you did want to go the heat route, I'd imagine they'd be pretty easy to solder

[coarse pumice]

encouraged even

[open pumice]

bits > neading a small forge to make models

[open pumice]

I wsh we got this GW back

[coarse pumice]

no one used a forge lmao

[open pumice]

do be kinda sad

they do it for HH

but like

it's more becaus ehtye can't be fucked to make assault kits

[coarse pumice]

it was pinning + greenstuff + glue

[green loom]

I'll reforge my single guardsman into a space marine

[open pumice]

than ebcause they want people making cool shit

[coarse pumice]

hybrid metal / plastic was often worse than pure metal and pure plastic though

[open pumice]

ik i was being comedic

[coarse pumice]

also metal quality went down when they stopped using lead

[open pumice]

no shit lmao

[open pumice]

no shit lmao