and the ones who don't barely tolerate each other
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
storm jungle
Its why when the Imperium collapses you could never get it back
arctic talon
Regiments literally come to blows regularly
over cultural issues and disagreements
fucks sake marine chapters end up fighting each other at times over reasons of "honor"
barren tapir
I was thinking... To be something so scary the robotic revolt didn't prevented people from starting worshipping machines... Ad. Mech., Terrwatt clans, the Votann... Quite lot of people seems to like machines after the age of strife
arctic talon
yeah
desert solstice
in theory tho if it collapses entirely there eventually will be a victor or a majority of hummanity that're more or less in 1 faction tho
arctic talon
Its just The Leagues of Votann who don't hate AI
barren tapir
Sadly no, that barbarian of macharius destroyed it
arctic talon
Ah
well good news for you
there's another planet like it
in the Tau Empire that the fire caste want to bomb into oblivion lol
because it has an advanced STC on it
and the Humans on it do not want to be conqured by the Tau Empire
plush mason
in theory tho if it collapses entirely there eventually will be a victor or a ma...
the many enemies the imperium has will prevent such a thing from happening
barren tapir
?????
desert solstice
in theory tho if it collapses entirely there eventually will be a victor or a ma...
else we fall into like a starwars plothole of humanity will never pursue avenues of stability because reasons
storm jungle
else we fall into like a starwars plothole of humanity will never pursue avenues...
With 40k it makes more sense
arctic talon
Give me jus the name
one momento
storm jungle
because as Elit3 said humans as ever always hate each other
barren tapir
Thank you very much
arctic talon
Also yeah without the Imperium alot of sectors are just gona
collapse lol
They only survive due to support from the Imperium
security wise
its gona be free pickings for the Dark Eldar/Orks/Chaos/Other humans/Other small xenos species
desert solstice
So prior to the 41st millennium when humanity was closer to our reality is that in their universe a super rare phenomenon?
storm jungle
Basically
we had
our current time
big star trek age
collapse
where it is now
But thats me super oversimplifying it lol
plush mason
during the golden age of man humanity stood as near gods. but after the men of iron revolt and the age of strife that age was rebranded the dark age of technology
barren tapir
Eh, that world isn't really similar to Adrantis Five, but it is a nice story nonetheless
desert solstice
Like ik the citizens of the 40k universe are like super Zealots. But they have thinkers, and rational leaders on occasion statistically things can only get so bad before you eventually do something rational/logical is kinda my conundrum w the empire's logistics/whole plan existing
plush mason
rational people get burned as heretics in the imperium
devout oxide
Like ik the citizens of the 40k universe are like super Zealots. But they have t...
while I wont get into real world politics etc, Im pretty "meh" on that stuff irl. If I could see tangible proof of hell, and aliens who literally wipe out more people that I know existed I would probably be kinda fanatical
barren tapir
Like ik the citizens of the 40k universe are like super Zealots. But they have t...
There are, but they get killed... Only with the return of big G such free thinkers have managed to get some sort of protection
plush mason
they dont like thinkers. free thinkers even less so
devout oxide
rational people get burned as heretics in the imperium
? i mean this depends on rational. Like if your neighbor can get a head ache, and it can literally wipe out your entire sector, than I might be kinda "irrational" as far as we are concerned too lol
barren tapir
Like, we have big G friend, a rogue trader that openly said that she didn't believed that big E was a god, and not even her family power and money could save her, it took big G himself to step in and stop the execution
desert solstice
true, but comparatively in history (not being political) even in times when where it was similar progress still trudged onwards as it's hard to dispute for example on a warefare level the crossbow was more economically superior to the bow. Even if it was deemed "unholy" for a time.
devout oxide
This isnt "imperium good" by the way, its saying that the average imperial citizen probably needs some level of indoctrination to even function lol
plush mason
ofc they do
storm jungle
"THERE SHALL BE NO THINKING."
arctic talon
like if they die in a manufactorum making guns
thats a good thing
they died in service to the emperor
plush mason
true, but comparatively in history (not being political) even in times when wher...
there is no progress anymore. only war
arctic talon
There's technically progress
devout oxide
"THERE SHALL BE NO THINKING."
Ya but the exception that should be remembered is "thinking can literally turn hell into reality" so whiile its dystopian and horrifying it does make sense on a level as how humanity works lol
arctic talon
its just slow as shit lol
barren tapir
true, but comparatively in history (not being political) even in times when wher...
This work in a close system, we know that systems that get cut out from the imperium tend to become way more reasonable... But when such systems are still connected to the imperium the imperium use all its weight to stamp out such new ideas
desert solstice
Actually, this can be dialed to one question. What're the actual tangible goals for the imperium, in like the best case scenario?
arctic talon
To not die
thats their only tangible goal
The Imperium rages against the dying light
plush mason
yup
arctic talon
no matter the cost
devout oxide
took a few hundred years to adopt
it took them 3 months to get me my passport recently, honestly if we account for scale, that aint bad.
arctic talon
no matter if they destroy the very thing they're trying to preserve
devout oxide
Actually, this can be dialed to one question. What're the actual tangible goals ...
Live lol
storm jungle
Ya but the exception that should be remembered is "thinking can literally turn h...
I'd say its a two sided thing.
On one hand it helps, but an ignorant person will still seek stuff and thats how chaos always gets in.
arctic talon
All that matters is the survival of the Imperium of Man
barren tapir
Actually, this can be dialed to one question. What're the actual tangible goals ...
The official goal of the imperium is to rule the galaxy
storm jungle
^
desert solstice
ok but like what's the like overall mission objective? Like what is deemed acceptable as "alright we did it"
storm jungle
ok but like what's the like overall mission objective? Like what is deemed accep...
Like if you want me to be blunt
They are basically Nazi-Roman-Germany in space
aka conquer everything
erase all cultures
make humanity the dominant race
arctic talon
ok but like what's the like overall mission objective? Like what is deemed accep...
Take over the galaxy kill all xenos
arctic talon
thats their goal
Take over the Galaxy, kill all disenters, kill all xenos
and rule eternally
desert solstice
But the universe is infinite? So i guess conquer a galaxy
arctic talon
They don't care lol
if they could take over the whole universe they'd do it
They'd kill anything and anyone who gets in their way
if you're human, join, comply and die for the imperium
desert solstice
didn't they try diplomacy at one very early point?
arctic talon
if you're not human tough lock
storm jungle
didn't they try diplomacy at one very early point?
Nope.
storm jungle
Ever since the Great Crusade the Imperium's rule was that yeah
even to other humans btw
arctic talon
Resist or die
desert solstice
huh, lore video must've over simplified
storm jungle
if you dont want to join us you are getting genocided
devout oxide
The emperor though, was actually facing real threats. So its not like im saying "imperium good" again, its just that its hard to compare to imperialistic/fascist regimes when the threat is actually, 100% tangible. Now they still do explicit evil obviously to things that obviously arent. But just the existance of orks/chaos alone will mean that humanity is facing threats we truly cant contemplate.
arctic talon
The Imperiums dipolmacy is simple
Yeah the Imperium was arguably justified in their actions during the great crusade
but any sort of justifaction sort of falls apart
after that
due to well
barren tapir
The imperium always try the diplomatic way with humans worlds, but there is no "no" answer they would accept
devout oxide
Not all, but they were justified in say, retaking the sol system IMO
arctic talon
how the imperiums fucking degraded
desert solstice
The emperor though, was actually facing real threats. So its not like im saying ...
i mean that is the duality that gives it interesting depth isn't it.
devout oxide
i mean that is the duality that gives it interesting depth isn't it.
100%
arctic talon
Not all, but they were justified in say, retaking the sol system IMO
the reclamation of most of the lost colonies of humanity were arguably justifiable
desert solstice
And it does make it more intriguing
arctic talon
due to the Imperium being well
the new government governing from Terra
still horrific
but the Imperium did have a Xenos procterate but uh
guess what happened to them
devout oxide
I love the imperium, because while I definitely have uhhhhhh VERY OPPOSING WINK WINK views IRL, I do completely understand the tradgedy of how they came to be. And it makes them so interesting
barren tapir
the reclamation of most of the lost colonies of humanity were arguably justifiab...
I think this is actually not justifiable ever
arctic talon
can ya guess what they did
desert solstice
slightly off topic from the broad questions does the guard actually get to take leave? lol
arctic talon
Yeah they get leave
devout oxide
As in like im explicitly very leftist lol
desert solstice
like how the loose cannon says
arctic talon
The Imperium memes aside
desert solstice
that is funny
arctic talon
does give R&R
arctic talon
I think this is actually not justifiable ever
It isn't tbh
but they had a meaningful reason to do it other then we don't like you so die
devout oxide
slightly off topic from the broad questions does the guard actually get to take ...
depends, but yes. they get to rotations, to go into town,they dont just get to go home mostly
devout oxide
but they had a meaningful reason to do it other then *we don't like you so die*
manifest destiny
arctic talon
The Alien procterate under the Imperium got uh
barren tapir
Exactly like how it isn't justifiable that they claim every world with humans on it, like lost colonies
arctic talon
well
processed
illegaly
into rejuvinat treatments
we don't even know why they were a procterate under the Imperium in the first place
but odds are it was prolly to harvest them as Rejuvinat juice
storm jungle
Also most ""sanctioned"" xenos are basically slaves and are driven into extinction.
no real world allegories there
arctic talon
also my favorite excerpt in a book
is a Rogue trader talking about his kroot mercenary
devout oxide
What do yall think of the tau sort of being a "early humanity" and getting to follow their journey? love tau aesthetics, dont necessarily like the books outside of the peter F stuff. But I like watching them go full grim dark, but realize they cant survive even as your basic bitch imperialist empire
arctic talon
and straight up says "he's one of the good ones"
barren tapir
And tbh, i can understand why many lost colonies didn't wanted to join the imperium... You have survived the horrors of the age of strife, with varying degrees of unscathed and some one come and tell you to bend the knee, of course i would say frick you and leave me alone
desert solstice
What do yall think of the tau sort of being a "early humanity" and getting to fo...
arent the tau a conglomerate of races?
arctic talon
the Tau make up the ruling cast
and only tau can really climb to the top
its sort of like the Empire in star wars
just less xenophobic
devout oxide
a good example of what i mean is what happened to a entire expansions auxillias when they made "babies first warp trip"
arctic talon
ah yes they "dissapeared"
spark relic
There are rare cases of non-T'au climbing the ranks but it is very rare
arctic talon
and so did all their auxillary reinforcments
devout oxide
just Poof
devout oxide
Magic for the greater good
barren tapir
What do yall think of the tau sort of being a "early humanity" and getting to fo...
They aren't sort of early mankind, they are exactly that... New civ on the galactic scale that think to be the best and wanna be friend with everyone... But then reality hit hard, and you change
desert solstice
still comparatively i can see why they're referred to as the "good" faction even if it's only by comparison
arctic talon
were absolutely horrified it was going on
and sent the soldiers from those warp jumps to get uh
"re educated"
now wether that means actual therapy or if they're gona get "re educated"
is up to you to decide
devout oxide
I would say they dont actually necesarrily want to. They do when its convenient lol. But I like this take. I would give them less credit, as I think they are more duplicitious and supremacist than people give them credit for
for instance how do we think a equal rights for non tau movement would go
barren tapir
Repressed
arctic talon
yep
barren tapir
But it would be first approached with diplomacy, then if they don't comply they don't have a spot in the greater good, erase them
storm jungle
still comparatively i can see why they're referred to as the "good" faction even...
Basically the Tau at worst will re-condition you if you act up.
The Imperium meanwhile will do every warcrime under the sun to punish you more or less lol
arctic talon
less violently then the imperium but it would still be put down
desert solstice
Basically the Tau at worst will re-condition you if you act up.
The Imperium me...
sounds about right
devout oxide
the tau see themselves as the rightful rulers, they just dont see themselves as humanity and hilariously people compare 41k humanity to what is it(forgive me im not great at tau stuff) year 10k for tau tops? lesss?
barren tapir
And within the tau empire they don't execute you in public, you simply vanish
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
yeah
arctic talon
also jokes aside the Tau do have like
storm jungle
or eat literal shit food
storm jungle
Yeah exactly
arctic talon
if you have ptsd they'll try to treat it for your entire life
while the imperium usually gives up after a few years and tells you to either A. fuck off
or B. die
storm jungle
Tau worlds for example dont get too many successful GSC uprisings.
Because their populations arent fucking miserable and wanna die every day 
desert solstice
i'm more interested in how the coalition of races work military wise for the tau?
do tau human soldiers exist?
storm jungle
Yep
arctic talon
yes
storm jungle
Gue'vesa
barren tapir
Tau are known to offer such care, but they don't do that out of their heart mind you, they have a twinfold reason to do so
arctic talon
^yeah that
storm jungle
Yeah actual soldiers more or less.
devout oxide
Fire caste, by peter F shows this to extent, but his stuff is not usual warhammer
storm jungle
Tau are known to offer such care, but they don't do that out of their heart mind...
🇺🇸
arctic talon
now granted you're still lower ranked then a basic firecaste fire warrior
barren tapir
And one of the reasons that they treat humans well is that because they want such humans to spread the word to other humans in the imperium
arctic talon
but they won't tell you to charge a gunline
Odds are you'll prolly catch a bullet in a trentch
desert solstice
any special human regiments? or they just reserved to being filler?
storm jungle
Uh
arctic talon
yeah
storm jungle
Because lazy writing
desert solstice
shame
storm jungle
but its pretty open-ended
arctic talon
We know the Farsight enclaves
have a specialist human division
and they have a planet
barren tapir
2 regiments are known of gue vesa
arctic talon
but we didn't get much more lore aside from that
storm jungle
Gue'vesa can also virtually be given any tau weaponry with the right permission minus OP shit like battle-suits
rustic spruce
aren't the various tau castes essentially bred for their specific roles
storm jungle
aren't the various tau castes essentially bred for their specific roles
Hence the caste system yeah
Marrying to someone outside of your caste is seen as "cringe"
spark relic
Not lazy writing, just lacking, there needs to be more
storm jungle
if you will
rustic spruce
like an air caste can't possibly do the things a fire caste could and vice verse
storm jungle
Yeah they cant
arctic talon
Marrying to someone outside of your caste is seen as "cringe"
You mean not allowed what so ever
storm jungle
You mean not allowed what so ever
Yep
devout oxide
Marrying to someone outside of your caste is seen as "cringe"
Like the time they drive a guy to suicide for being the wrong caste
desert solstice
does the imperium or any human regiment employ actual like solid special tactics?
barren tapir
Gue'vesa can also virtually be given any tau weaponry with the right permission ...
Actually it is know that some humans rose up to the ranks that let them use the battlesuits, and it is used to show how humans can rise in tau society
devout oxide
is kinda uhhh not good
storm jungle
is kinda uhhh not good
đź’€
arctic talon
does the imperium or any human regiment employ actual like solid special tactics...
Yeah
Elysian drop troops and the Harkoni war hawks
desert solstice
ik the scions and inquisitorial stormtroopers are kinda SF comparable
arctic talon
Fight like modern para troopers
desert solstice
i just dont know to what degree
barren tapir
does the imperium or any human regiment employ actual like solid special tactics...
Yes, various actually
devout oxide
ik the scions and inquisitorial stormtroopers are kinda SF comparable
no
They a rent comparable tbh
arctic talon
Yeah scions are shock troopers
desert solstice
anything that is that we might see in game?
arctic talon
They don’t do infiltration
They’re dropped in from low orbit to absolutely shatter a defensive position or to push an offensive even harder
storm jungle
anything that is that we might see in game?
Considering they added Steel Legion as a random cosmetic pack anything is possible
devout oxide
The guard, and i mean "typical" guard" are already supposed to be special forces a lot of the time in cases of cadia. SInce we see cadian vets, any cadian should be as competent as essentially anything we have on earth tbh. Easily. Cadians can put together lasguns before they can walk, and their parents have them stare into the gate of hell until they get nose bleeds at like age 6 lol
rustic spruce
so what do tau do if enemies actually make it into melee range
desert solstice
anything that is that we might see in game?
i'm just super curious given that the obligatory "stealth" class is super popular as to what we might see
arctic talon
so what do tau do if enemies actually make it into melee range
Shank/shoot them
barren tapir
They don’t do infiltration
Storm troopers do infilatrion, that is like one of their main shtick
arctic talon
Tau have sidearms and knives
arctic talon
Storm troopers do infilatrion, that is like one of their main shtick
Do they? My bad
desert solstice
some kind of guardsman w a cloaking device? Is that even possible or only reserved for the OP units?
devout oxide
Now, some of them IG are absolute mem terrible troopers etc. But scions are literally psychoconditioned(for the most part, there are exceptions of adults going through scion training) orphans who literalaly do live fire excercises as kids lol
storm jungle
Cloaking devices don’t really exist in 40k
Nah they do
arctic talon
Which are pretty standard issue for snipers
storm jungle
its just incredibly niche
arctic talon
The most common form of “invis” tech is a camo cloak
rustic spruce
do tau have methods of dealing with deepstrikes
arctic talon
Which is a fancy cloak
devout oxide
Tau stealth tech
devout oxide
do tau have methods of dealing with deepstrikes
Kroot/manuevaribility/overwhelming firepower
desert solstice
cause basically assassins are probably off the table for Darktide. There's literal lines from the Cadian that say "if they sent an assassin here, we wouldn't be here".
devout oxide
But if for instance a assault squad lands in a group of fire warriors its going to be amassacre
barren tapir
Cloaking devices, actual ones, not like camaleoline are a Age of Tech thing... The imperium have some ships that can cloak themself, but are not widely spread, and the imperium don't know how to make more cloaking devices
desert solstice
So wondering what is on the table for "muh sneaky stealth" niche
devout oxide
So wondering what is on the table for "muh sneaky stealth" niche
Lots
storm jungle
the only problem is
desert solstice
but that's a possibility at best for zealot
storm jungle
will Fatshark be brave enough to add latex-fetish gear into the game
desert solstice
^
arctic talon
will Fatshark be brave enough to add latex-fetish gear into the game
Have you seen the zealot masks
desert solstice
also that
devout oxide
Assassins are WAY too over the top if its from a official clade. Death cult assassins totally work
devout oxide
because they can be whatever
storm jungle
arctic talon
Make it uni sex
rustic spruce
will fatshark be brave enough to add daemonettes
arctic talon
I wana see my zealot in it
storm jungle
Men in latex is my jam
Edit: Dont quote me on this
storm jungle
also yeah same
barren tapir
Tempestus Scions, also known as Storm Troopers or Stormtroopers in Low Gothic, are the elite shock troops of the Militarum Tempestus. They are trained to carry out special operations such as deep strike assaults, reconnaissance and infiltration beyond enemy lines.
Who was that was asking about storm troopers working like SF?
arctic talon
Tbf we finally got Male Wyches
desert solstice
but what sneaky guardsman unit is possible given the fact that Psyker, Vet and Zealot all have access to "assassin" melee weps
arctic talon
And female incubi models
So if we get new death cult assassins minis there’s gona be a male option imo
devout oxide
> Tempestus Scions, also known as Storm Troopers or Stormtroopers in Low Gothic,...
Storm troopers for the guard are storm troopers. Tempestus scions are technically part of the administratum, and are their own thing. They get attached to units or fight as individual regiments
storm jungle
So if we get new death cult assassins minis there’s gona be a male option imo
Heres hoping
devout oxide
but what sneaky guardsman unit is possible given the fact that Psyker, Vet and Z...
let me introduce you to guants ghosts lol
barren tapir
but what sneaky guardsman unit is possible given the fact that Psyker, Vet and Z...
If we go by TTRPG books then a scout, all about closing in fast unseen and slice throats left and right
desert solstice
If we go by TTRPG books then a scout, all about closing in fast unseen and slice...
maybe, since current vet is all about ranged and a bit of brutal melee, wouldn't surprise me a sneaky boi vet will be 90% melee w a ranged wep for specific situations
gameplaywise
might fit the bill
rustic spruce
it might just be an angle thing but this female culexus' helmet doesn't look as funnily long as the male ones
arctic talon
it might just be an angle thing but this female culexus' helmet doesn't look as ...
It’s the angle prolly
desert solstice
they could also throw us for a loop and expand who the mortis operatives are since they seem unique to Dtide
arctic talon
Never forget we lost the gimp suit dark eldar wracks
plush mason
I think its because of the angle
just like with khorne bloodletter heads
devout oxide
@barren tapir are you just pulling up fandom on tempestus? I have a 3k point scion army, I love them but you need to look up ordo tempestus. If you just pull up the wiki, it gives a good over view but doesnt actually kinda get it right
barren tapir
<@468892762096271370> are you just pulling up fandom on tempestus? I have a 3k ...
No, i'm not pulling up fandom... I know what i talk about... And i can see you seems to think you are the only one to know stuff, so calm down... I know what you are talking about, and i can tell you that you are wrong... Storm troopers is the low gothic name for tempestus scions, which btw can either work in their regiment or get attached to normal imperial guard regiments... The ordo tempestus is the semi independent organisation that deal with their regiments... This doesn't change that they are called storm troopers in low gothic
devout oxide
I didnt say otherwise?
barren tapir
Yeah you did
devout oxide
I have no idea why you thought I came off like that. I literally was just saying, people confuse storm troopers, and scions.
devout oxide
Yes. Which is correct.
barren tapir
I have no idea why you thought I came off like that. I literally was just saying...
There is nothing to confuse since they are the same thing
Just called differently
plush mason
dont the steel legion also have an elite force called stormtroopers?
devout oxide
There is nothing to confuse since they are the same thing
They arent
Yes they do nameless
Scions are scions
Are karskin scions?
Krieg has stormtroopers. They are grenadiers.
barren tapir
dont the steel legion also have an elite force called stormtroopers?
Yes, it is the in regiment equivalent to imperial stormtroopers, like the kasrkin are for the cadians
barren tapir
Are karskin scions?
Scions equivalent yes
plush mason
sounds like yall are arguing over semantics tbch
barren tapir
Scions is just fancy name for imperial stormtroopers
devout oxide
barren tapir
devout oxide
which is where the confusion comes from
Lol.
It lists for isntance kasrkin
Which arent scions
barren tapir
They are equivalent
Several Imperial organisations, particularly the Imperial Guard, are known to employ Scions or in-house Scion equivalents.
And guess what is listed after that
Kasrkin
devout oxide
exactly. But they arent scions lol
barren tapir
So now you are deflecting this on the fact that someone said that kasrkin are scions?
Do you remember from where this started?
devout oxide
barren tapir
Or maybe i have to bring you again the phrase that say that scions is just the high gothic name for the unit but they are also called storm troopers?
Or maybe you want to keep going putting in other stuff that mean nothing to the discussion?
devout oxide
Which doesnt make them scions, or part of the tempestus scions. Thats literally all I was saying. Scions, and scion regiments are their own thing, run by the ordo tempestus. Im not sure how to explain this to. We can always get into the root cause of fyour confusion which is GW copywrite claims with the term "storm troopers"
All i tried to explain was that scions, as they exist are a completely seperate entity lol
barren tapir
Yeah, and that wasn't part of the discussion
Since i brought the phrase that explained what their names were
devout oxide
> Tempestus Scions, also known as Storm Troopers or Stormtroopers in Low Gothic,...
Ok
barren tapir
And what they do
And then you went with "storm trooper attached to the guard are storm trooper scions are something else", which clearly show you didn't read what i posted
plush mason
Yeah, and that wasn't part of the discussion
umm as far as i can tell that is literally the entirety of the discussion
barren tapir
The discussion is that scions get attached to imperial regiments, and they are also called storm troopers, not that kasrkin are not scions
devout oxide
Yeah. Im not sure if im being trolled or not. I dont really care. Its nonsense lore stuff. But this is literally what the discussion was. Someone was asking DIRECTLY if scions were SF. I explained where the confusion with storm trooper and scion being the same comes from. I wasnt trying to be a dick, im not now. But if I throw down scions on the table right now next to kasrkin someone is going to be a bit confused when i call them both scions.
barren tapir
Either as part of an Imperial Guard regiment or as the Militarum Tempestus Scions are used to enact missions that the regular Guardsmen can not handle and often form an elite core entrusted with carrying out important missions such as spearheading assaults into heavily fortified positions or infiltrating behind enemy lines.
barren tapir
Yes, and i said that scions are also called storm troopers
barren tapir
So when they are attached to guard they are still scions/storm troopers
devout oxide
you get that right?
desert solstice
Yeah. Im not sure if im being trolled or not. I dont really care. Its nonsense ...
it was me i asked if they were, cause i'm just curious what vet subclass will be the stealthy one if there even will be one
devout oxide
it was me i asked if they were, cause i'm just curious what vet subclass will be...
storm trooper and scion would be similiar but seperate lol
barren tapir
you get that right?
I get that they are called that too, what is hard to get about one is the high gothic name and the other is the low gothic one?
devout oxide
The entire high gothic thing is what happens when copyright laws come into place
see "astra militarum"
plush mason
Yes, and i said that scions are also called storm troopers
they are yes. but only unofficially in the common speak of the imperium so its frankly not something worth pointing out for new people looking to learn
barren tapir
it was me i asked if they were, cause i'm just curious what vet subclass will be...
Scions and storm troopers are the same thing, as the phrase i posted say
devout oxide
jesus christ no they arent lol
uneven temple
*copyrightus strikum
barren tapir
they are yes. but only unofficially in the common speak of the imperium so its f...
Are there units on the TT that are called storm troopers that aren't scions?
devout oxide
Are there units on the TT that are called storm troopers that aren't scions?
YES
LMAO
plush mason
Are there units on the TT that are called storm troopers that aren't scions?
yes in a steel legion army
devout oxide
there are kasrkin ffs
barren tapir
Kasrkin are called storm troopers in the TT?
devout oxide
im not trying to gotcha, im trying to explain, and have been, that i understand the confusion.
They are called kasrkin
now.
They were called cadian storm troopers
kasrkin was just the name
barren tapir
I always saw them being called kasrkin
devout oxide
the same way grenadiers was for krieg
barren tapir
They were called cadian storm troopers
kasrkin was just the name
Wut? Wot? What was their name then?
devout oxide
I mean I have played guard for 20+ years dude again, I was never trying to be rude. I was simply explaining to someone who asked, they are not the same lol.
plush mason
they are all technically storm troopers as that is the common name for the elite guard forces of the imperium. but aside from the steel legion none of the elites are officially called storm troopers
barren tapir
I never saw kasrkin being called cadian storm troopers
plush mason
> They were called cadian storm troopers
> kasrkin was just the name
Wut? Wot? W...
they have 2 names
devout oxide
The box literally said cadian kasrkin, who played as storm troopers
barren tapir
the official one and the unofficial one
So the same as the scions, one is the official one, scions, and the other is the unofficial one, storm troopers
devout oxide
The entire thing was created pretty much to protect IP. Which all I was trying to do was explain that the scions are their own, individual thing, they do not interchange.
plush mason
So the same as the scions, one is the official one, scions, and the other is the...
yes
devout oxide
Tempestus scions have their own, individual codex
You cannot run a kasrkin as a scion
plush mason
but only the official name matters
barren tapir
You cannot run a kasrkin as a scion
Well, of course not, they are not the same unit
devout oxide
They are completely different entities that mean different things to the imperium though
Not same unit
not same branch
not even in the military technically
again, none of it was to talk shit "or be the only one who knows" Its just I was playing guard and had a shit load dof armageddon/old school storm troopers when they dropped scions and was like "wtf was this"
thats all man
signal bramble
Tempestus scions have their own, individual codex
Not for a long time.
signal bramble
Storm troopers was an old unit from an old edition.
devout oxide
I should of said the lore comes from the codex
storm jungle
If I remember right the entire reason the Stormtrooper thing got a massive rebrand was due to copyright reasons with Star Wars
barren tapir
again, none of it was to talk shit "or be the only one who knows" Its just I was...
Ok, but if you read what i posted you could have seen the phrase was about scions, not the in regiment equivalent that might be called with the same name, like with the steel legion ones
signal bramble
Storms were in the same codex as the gray knights back then.
devout oxide
If I remember right the entire reason the Stormtrooper thing got a massive rebra...
This is what I tried to explain
arctic talon
Storms were in the same codex as the gray knights back then.
They were also in the guard book
arctic talon
They were in codex daemon hunters
storm jungle
thats not what GW wants
arctic talon
And codex imperial guard
signal bramble
They were in codex daemon hunters
Yeah that’s the one.
desert solstice
If I remember right the entire reason the Stormtrooper thing got a massive rebra...
weird considering it was a german unit originally
devout oxide
Ok, but if you read what i posted you could have seen the phrase was about scion...
You are missing the point of this. Scions as part of the administratum have their own regiments
storm jungle
weird considering it was a german unit originally
Yeah its mostly because like i said GW wants people to think of the stuff you can buy from them.
barren tapir
You are missing the point of this. Scions as part of the administratum have the...
No, i don't miss this part, i know very well this, psian jackals were my fav regiment of them
devout oxide
yes, and got rolled into the guard book, still as an attachment, you run a militarum tempestus detcachment haha
devout oxide
No, i don't miss this part, i know very well this, psian jackals were my fav reg...
Which are part of the administratum and have the worst table top rules lol
barren tapir
And their own regiments is only when scions arrived, before that there was just one super big regiment that had storm troopers that got sent to different IG regiments
barren tapir
Which are part of the administratum and have the worst table top rules lol
HEY! I liked their story!
devout oxide
HEY! I liked their story!
I did too but my god.
devout oxide
TT is the lore though, IDK how else to explain it lol.
This is coming from what used to be some of if not the best lore sources
the codexes and rule books
barren tapir
Each codex like to portray the race it cover as the best in the galaxy
devout oxide
Mfw my favorite forge world has terrible fucking rules
But t he lore
arctic talon
Yep
devout oxide
the horus heresy and imperial armor books were always amazing
barren tapir
They are good lore sources, yes, but they are not absoute
arctic talon
I miss imperial armor
devout oxide
some of the best bits come from them
barren tapir
Otherwise we have to consider that the Ad. Mech. attacked an assassin temple on terra, killed many and steal a thing and then bailed out without repercussion
devout oxide
They are good lore sources, yes, but they are not absoute
I never said they were. All i was trying to explain, is that if you brought a tempestus scion to the cadians, where they tend to act as body guards to extremely important individuals, and you put them alongside kasrkin, they would both be disctinct units far beyond being "storm troopers from different units' one would be cadians, pulled into kasrkin units, acting as storm troopers for the cadian shock. The other would be tempestus scions, brought in from the ordo tempestus of the administratum to safeguard high ranking individuals.
barren tapir
Ok, nothing to say about this
rustic spruce
has the ad mech every tries to gain access to the dark cells
barren tapir
Not that i know, don't know if they even know about them
arctic talon
has the ad mech every tries to gain access to the dark cells
No
They signed away their rights to
During the treaty of mars
barren tapir
Wasn't that a vault on mars? That big E wanted kept closed?
rustic spruce
the black cells are under the palace
rustic spruce
the shadowkeeps might not have the nicest job in the palace, but they're probably never bored
barren tapir
One of the stipulations of the Treaty of Olympus was that the Vaults of Moravec were never to be opened which angered some members of the Mechanicum though they obeyed as they lacked the means to open the Vaults.
These vaults are on mars btw
So if the treaty mention something about the dark cells, which are on terra and weren't know to the Ad. Mech. at the time i only wonder how the hell they knew
arctic talon
Hm
vital kernel
So if the treaty mention something about the dark cells, which are on terra and ...
Theoretical:
Emp had some pretty nasty Technobarbarians locked up in there, probably profane Lunar Genewrights too. Perhaps the Martians condition for the deal were "keep those dirty heretecs in there"
barren tapir
Theoretical:
Emp had some pretty nasty Technobarbarians locked up in there, prob...
Ok, this doesn't explain how they knew about them... Dark cells aren't exactly common dominion stuff
What Ad. Mech. knew was about some vaults on mars they didn't knew how to open, but big E knew about them because he knew the guy that made them, since it was a terran...
vital kernel
Not all of them need knew about them. Just like not every cog in the Terran machine knew of Moravec.
It would be expected that Fabricator General Kelbor-Hal might have been told.
barren tapir
So, once he saw these vaults he went "OOOHHHHHH, DON'T YOU DARE OPEN THESE VAULTS KELBOR HALL! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?!"
Big E also erased the memory of the place where such vaults were from the memory of kelbor hal iirc
Well, erased, it was blocked
vital kernel
Kelbor Hal certainly knew there were a bunch of dangerous fellas the Emperor had defeated but not necessarily destroyed before coming to Mars, so perhaps his conditions for the deal was to keep them locked away permanently.
rustic spruce
Emperor probably just surmised that whatever was in the vaults wasn't worth the headache
barren tapir
Don't think kelbor knew so much about the fate of the enemies of big E
barren tapir
Emperor probably just surmised that whatever was in the vaults wasn't worth the ...
Yup, probably he sensed there was warp stuff inside and went full threat if they were to be ever opened
vital kernel
Honestly, the Vaults of Moravec are quite underdeveloped. They come up in Mechanicum and not a lot afterwards IIRC.
Though it is implied the Dark Mechanicum already rustled a few forbidden secrets from the Vaults by the time that book takes place.
Man, Mechanicum is such a depressing book when you get to the section of Kelbor Hal just crippling Mars beyond recovery with his scrapcode and shit.
barren tapir
Dark mechanicum rose at the start of the horus heresy afaik, so no, they couldn't have taken anything from the vaults since they were closed and the Mechanicum didn't knew how to open them
vital kernel
They had that super secret megatitan that was implied to have come out of the vaults.
IIRC
it's been like 12 years since I read that book tho
barren tapir
Man, Mechanicum is such a depressing book when you get to the section of Kelbor ...
Yeah, the part of the scream over mars is truly depressing... Before all info were moving freely, and that was what made such attack so devastating, there were no firewall, since who would attack you from the inside of mars? And then, 1 sec after the start of the attack, mars was already crippled... SADNESS!!!!
barren tapir
They had that super secret megatitan that was implied to have come out of the va...
Super secret mega titan? Are you referring to the castigator class titan? The human looking one?
vital kernel
Super secret mega titan? Are you referring to the castigator class titan? The hu...
Not sure, but it was almost sentient and shit, and it scared that Knight Pilot a lot
Might be mushed with about 3 other books with adjacent themes from the Horus Heresy
Little known fact: There are more books in the Horus Heresy Series than stars in the Galaxy.
urban spire
why are there so many horus heresy books anyway?
was anyone that interested in what went down back then?
vital kernel
Your name makes me sad there's a million million Space Markne books but not a single Van Saar Ganger PoV novel.
barren tapir
Your name makes me sad there's a million million Space Markne books but not a si...
Eh, that is because it is on us to create our stories about our gangs of Van Saar house... But house of artifice give a nice view of the main theme of the Van Saar
vital kernel
was anyone that interested in what went down back then?
The first book was kinda good. And the Sons of Horus trilogy was kinda cool, so BL decided to do the same thing for all 2000 Space Marine Legions and their families.
urban spire
it is literally ten thousand years old history
vital kernel
There are books in the Horus Heresy Series I am convinced nooned ever read, not even the author.
barren tapir
it is literally ten thousand years old history
And it is something that took only 9 years in the setting
vital kernel
a quote from my favourite Author, Garth Marenghi comes to mind: "I'm one of the few guys you'll meet who'se written more books than he's read."
Yeah, the HH has sadly become oversaturated with filler over the years. I was genuinely glad when the Siege of Terra thing started because I could finally get back into it again and actually know what I'm reading is not the spinoff filler arc of the 3rd Salamander redemption series alternate universe omnibus.
urban spire
the only thing i'd be interested in reading from that era is mechanicum stuff, and i'm pretty sure i read the only novel concerning them specifically
vital kernel
There are some things like the Binary Succession etc thats mostly about them. But usually short, insignificant stuff.
urban spire
and even though it was about the mechanicum, it was also about the titan whatsit
legio titanicus?
vital kernel
Echoes of Eternity throwing back to Master of Mankind was such a trip.
Really gave me goosebumps when I thought how it's been longer since I read it than that canonically took place in universe.
urban spire
was that what they're called?
vital kernel
was that what they're called?
Collegia Titanica?
urban spire
no clue
vital kernel
IIRC it was about the Collegia Titanica becoming the Adeptus Titanicus.
And the Mechanicum becoming the Adeptus Mechanicus, though I am generally unsure which happened in what book.
urban spire
the novel i read was about the guardian of the evil mars dragon getting replaced via a very roundabout process
vital kernel
That was Mechanicum. Yeah that book was pretty cool until it turned into Dragonball in the last 3 chapters.
urban spire
i don't remember it too well
vital kernel
me neither, just some of the striking moments that stick with you.
"Machine, heal thyself."
vital kernel
why the h8, that's such a good scene
urban spire
yeah it's not bad
severe wyvern
I'm new, gimme as much lore as a gaurdsman can handle
urban spire
I'm new, gimme as much lore as a gaurdsman can handle
how much do you think you can handle?
severe wyvern
yes
vital kernel
They did the Emperor dirty throughout the series, I liked it best when he was some rogue Dark Age of Technology relict that noone could really comprehend.
urban spire
damn i don't even know where to start actually
vital kernel
I had a wack theory early on how the Golden Throne was the emperor, and his body was just a physical manifestation he created to walk around.
storm jungle
I'm new, gimme as much lore as a gaurdsman can handle
severe wyvern
theres a book about the lore?
severe wyvern
ah, ok
storm jungle
Because theres way too much
urban spire
there are two wikis
vital kernel
There are like 5 trillion books on the lore.
storm jungle
these people will give you clinical brain-overload
severe wyvern
oof
storm jungle
not that its a bad thing but still
urban spire
lexicanum is the more accurate wiki, but the warhammer40k fandom wiki has more stuff
vital kernel
And there is the one that must not be named.
storm jungle
Mostly due to copy-pasting all its content from codexes
vital kernel
But we do not talk of that here.
storm jungle
people ask me where they can read the lore on Imperial Army books and I just point them at the wikipedia
its pretty neat
urban spire
theres a book about the lore?
if you want to read a couple novels in the setting i'm sure the folks over at #40k-book-club can help you out, just let them know what faction you want to read about
signal bramble
You can always ask here as well. 40k nerds love talking the lore. XD
urban spire
which underhive would be the least awful to live in?
storm jungle
Yes.
urban spire
i've never heard of hive Yes
urban spire
oh no
storm jungle
Jokes aside
Varangantua from the crime novels maybe?
Like its basically IRL minus the sci-fi stuff surprisingly
...oh shit this basically has no lore
Nobody bothered reading the books 
plush mason
theres a book about the lore?
more like a shit ton of books lol
urban spire
there are way too many books
plush mason
yes
urban spire
odds are that if you find a book that you think sounds interesting, it will not be interesting
it will be poop from a butt
always read reviews
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Honestly
Buy the rule book
It’s got so much fucking lore in it
Thing is more lore then rules
Even the rules have lore entries sometimes
echo vault
What's the limit to dual wielding? How big is too big, I think this is cool so here's examples I photoshopped
plush mason
GW be sitting there in their board meetings going "how do we keep people addicted to plastic crack as long and as deeply as possible"
storm jungle
Sad but true lmao
storm jungle
What's the limit to dual wielding? How big is too big, I think this is cool so h...
Entirely dependant on the unit
these guys could easily dual-wield
urban spire
dual wielding is neat on big suits like that where it's practical as a second ammo reserve
because your armour is too fat for you to properly reload anything
dual wielded chainswords looks like ass
one chainsword is already riding the line, two is too much noise, aesthetically speaking
(and literally)
echo vault
I just don't see it ever done, I see dual wielding either being for aquilon terminators, allarus terminators as a custodes version of the boltstorm gauntlets
Or venatari with the kinetic destroyers
urban spire
the best dual wielding is practical dual wielding
echo vault
That's custodes exclusively but there's more examples
Yeah I mean chain swords are big
plush mason
dont the ultramarines have a special kind of veteran space marine that uses 2 power swords?
echo vault
The smaller chain sword could make sense, but is fitting more with the catachan knife
I'm curious because terminators have the heavy weapons able to be latched to their arm
rustic spruce
dual wielding flash gitz models when
urban spire
orks badly need an update
echo vault
They made a model of "escaton" power claws only used in contekar terminators and I need more of them
urban spire
they need sweatpants
echo vault
Contekar are the night lords elite
storm jungle
they need sweatpants
best we can give you is British Commando orks with beanies.
urban spire
berets surely
storm jungle
jokes aside im surprised they dont got berets
plush mason
LOL
urban spire
huh
storm jungle
like they pretty much got every WW2 British Commando stuff
echo vault
I want an ork with a helmet with a rocket strapped to it that would be funny
storm jungle
echo vault
Like a lethal headbutt
echo vault
Claw
dusk patrol
Power fists and claws in lore are so goddamn OP
If they’re of good enough make you can just grab the enemies weapon and snap it
urban spire
i don't like power fists on terminators but they're fine on dreads
storm jungle
i don't like power claws on terminators
Its cool but then you gotta picture this dumb fridge-teddybear stomping its way to someone and clawing at it
plush mason
why do i feel like the helmet on the one on the bottom right is just some bucket a mek found and cut a hole in the front of
rustic spruce
how does a targeting squig work
dusk patrol
Its cool but then you gotta picture this dumb fridge-teddybear stomping its way ...
I’ll say this, the one Heresy short did a good job making it look cool
urban spire
specifically because of that one dawn of war bit
dusk patrol
With that little grab and stab through the gut Horus does
echo vault
how does a targeting squig work
It's a squig that targets
dusk patrol
Chad Imperial Fist went for it
dusk patrol
Had one arm left but he still went for it
urban spire
https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-power-claws-horus-heresy-gif-25203025
what is that from?
echo vault
Horus heresy teialer
urban spire
wild
echo vault
They show a imperial ship vaporizing a warlord
dusk patrol
SO LET THE SEAS BOIL
echo vault
AND IF IT TAKES THE LAST DROP OF MY BLOOD
rustic spruce
do orks know what squigs they're making when they make them
dusk patrol
Grimdark Golbat
dusk patrol
do orks know what squigs they're making when they make them
Probably not like know know
dusk patrol
But instinctively
storm jungle
do orks know what squigs they're making when they make them
Squigs get "auto"-made by the fungus for any purposes the orks need
yeah what Eternal said
the fungus just spawns the squig they need
storm jungle
might just be their psychic field activating its growth purposes
dusk patrol
So fucking smooth
plush mason
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cj3ENSVogTo&feature=share
the bayonets on those bolters are just karking gigantic lol
rustic spruce
I'll always love you squiggoth
dusk patrol
They do be
echo vault
Chain bayonet
urban spire
space marines in the dawn of war intro actually manage to be interesting
they are not invincible god kings, able to single handedly wipe out millions of orks
dusk patrol
Bah, there’s plenty of space marine novels which show that
Mostly just fluff for codexs shows any different
urban spire
yeah sure but nobody ever talks about that
it's always like "nothing in the universe can touch a space marine"
dusk patrol
Well yeah cause the community has to be in a permanent negative Nancy malding state
rustic spruce
never forget 1st edition squiggoth
urban spire
15 hours was good about scary orks
echo vault
The plague tower
dusk patrol
Helsreach, Rynn’s World
echo vault
Wait, one moment
plush mason
it's always like "nothing in the universe can touch a space marine"
there was a meme i saw a while back that was just a pic of a cake with "im sorry for the stupid side of my fandom" written on it. stuff like that tends to come from 40k's stupid side
rustic spruce
damn boy got a wheel on him
urban spire
being a 40k fan is hard
urban spire
i'm not seeing the plague part
rustic spruce
1st edition chaos was something
plush mason
why is it purple?
rustic spruce
why do the wheels look like wood
plush mason
omg i didnt even see that
rustic spruce
damn he's gonna reap so much blood
echo vault
I don't know what this is
plush mason
...
rustic spruce
magnus the sorta red
echo vault
Behold, uh
dusk patrol
The funny thing is, you can see they kept some stuff
plush mason
Behold, uh
ummm
echo vault
Uh
rustic spruce
you reckon they'll ever make a model for big e
echo vault
dusk patrol
First edition Mortarion was somehow even less subtle
First edition Angry Ron looking like the inspiration for RuneScape daemons
echo vault
First edition Mortarion was somehow even less subtle
He's trying to fly with his harp wings
urban spire
you reckon they'll ever make a model for big e
yeah right here
plush mason
LOL
dusk patrol
The Horus ascendant model looks like it’ll be part of a set
urban spire
the slumperor
dusk patrol
The God Emperor of People with Poor Posture
echo vault
The damn Igor emperor
urban spire
the gamer emperor
dusk patrol
Omg he’s literally me
plush mason
same
urban spire
we got some gamer shrimps in here?
dusk patrol
“MALCADOR! Bring the tendies!”
rustic spruce
you know i never understood why they retconned ollanius pius
plush mason
because GW cant make up its fucking mind a lot of times
arctic talon
Lol
echo vault
More like
plush mason
that and they want the story that is gona help sales the most
plush mason
profits first consistency second
arctic talon
Yeah that lol
urban spire
hey who's responsible for necrons having a fucking machine that can instantly destroy any star in the galaxy whenever they feel like it? who wrote that shit?
arctic talon
hey who's responsible for necrons having a fucking machine that can instantly de...
Uhhhh not sure
echo vault
Ward?
arctic talon
It’s post Matt Ward iirc
urban spire
WAS IT WARD?
storm jungle
I mean
echo vault
Matt ward only did space Marines, grey knights and necrons
dusk patrol
you know i never understood why they retconned ollanius pius
They didn’t really
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
it fits them
also the Dynasty in charge of it is super adult/responsible with its usage
urban spire
op tech is one thing, but that's kinda overboard
arctic talon
Eh
echo vault
I'd say ward did a good job with necrons, while a bit flawed but cool
storm jungle
Its really not
arctic talon
They have more op shit lol
storm jungle
^
dusk patrol
Their guns are the least of your worries
storm jungle
they got snipers that can teleport anywhere and hide in pocket dimensions
arctic talon
Especially since that thing explicitly damages the fabric of reality
echo vault
THE ÆONIC ORB
arctic talon
So they never wana use it
dusk patrol
The Silent Kings ship is currently busy winning every single void battle it comes into in the Pariah Nexus
storm jungle
Yeah they actively stop other dynasties that are power hungry as fuck from using the device
they know other crons are irresponsible af
dusk patrol
The biggest plot hole ever is they let Trayzn in
plush mason
op tech is one thing, but that's kinda overboard
my sibling in the emperor, the necons literally killed a god and a fundamental law of physics with it. nothing is beyond them
arctic talon
The biggest plot hole ever is they let Trayzn in
They let him look at it
dusk patrol
As much as I love the story beat
arctic talon
Tbf
dusk patrol
Idk why the fuck they would trust Trayzn
arctic talon
I don’t think trazyn would ever use it
dusk patrol
I get that
urban spire
yeah idk that shit's goofy
arctic talon
Because he’s a keltopmaniac
dusk patrol
But still even looking at it affects it
arctic talon
Fair
dusk patrol
I don’t mind because it’s a great story beat
And it got used for something
It was a nice “hey they remembered this exists!”
urban spire
shit like that makes the setting feel much less grounded
echo vault
The votann monch machine >>>> All
dusk patrol
Let’s Trayzn play the hero for selfish reasons too which is fun
urban spire
i don't mean grounded in reality since obviously it's not very much grounded in reality in the first place
just sort of generally grounded
rustic spruce
The votann monch machine >>>> All
gotta obtain all that ORE
dusk patrol
shit like that makes the setting feel much less grounded
As opposed tooo….
Everything else
arctic talon
Idk the Necrons have tons of world engines lol
plush mason
you know whats crazy. the silent king had the real super OP weapons destroyed before the great sleep, so that thing isnt crap next to some of the shit the necrons had
arctic talon
And a dyson sphere the size of a fucking solar system
urban spire
i like things to have a smaller scale
dusk patrol
There’s always been a macro and minor scale for 40k
The wider story and faction leaders
Vs the small scale stuff
urban spire
it's cool when massive stuff like that existed in the past, but if it's still hanging around it's like an old racist relative showing up to your birthday party uninvited
rustic spruce
it's kinda funny that the necron world engine was done in by a space marine chapter just yeeting their ship straight into it
dusk patrol
Well they never do anything with them
arctic talon
Since those Necrons never let anyone hostile near it
echo vault
it's kinda funny that the necron world engine was done in by a space marine chap...
9/11 is always tacticool
arctic talon
9/11 is always tacticool
plush mason
Since those Necrons never let anyone hostile near it
has it been used even once since the necrons awoke?
echo vault
That happens to blood ravens battle barges in every dawn of war game
arctic talon
has it been used even once since the necrons awoke?
Yeah
They don’t let anyone with remotely aggressive intentions in
echo vault
At least 2 and 3 where they hurl a battle barge at something bad
arctic talon
Or even near it
urban spire
what is a world engine exactly? a big thing that eats a planet?
arctic talon
They’ve fought like 3 wars over it
arctic talon
what is a world engine exactly? a big thing that eats a planet?
Necron Death Star
urban spire
big thing that eats a planet, got it
storm jungle
the Marines tho of course destroyed it
arctic talon
Well
storm jungle
because plot
arctic talon
Not just a planet
rustic spruce
don't touch their fancy table
echo vault
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Think about it, that may be why hive cities are a thing, can't 9/11 something that big
urban spire
i am going to touch their fancy table
arctic talon
It can do several planets at once
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
urban spire
It can do several planets at once
ah, the force awakens
plush mason
literally the only good movie of the last 3
arctic talon
One of them is a plot point in BFGA2
And it ends up closing the eye of terror in the necron campaign
echo vault
I like that starkiller base was just illum the lightsaber crystal planet from clone wars
plush mason
ye
arctic talon
But that isn’t canon
plush mason
ye
arctic talon
I like that starkiller base was just illum the lightsaber crystal planet from cl...
Yeah it’s a cool detail
TFA wasn’t bad
Even if it was derivative as hell
urban spire
we cannot start talking about star wars lore
plush mason
in the nid campaign you get to eat abaddon
rustic spruce
what is a Doomsday Phalanx
rustic spruce
Regarding Necrons?
yeah
urban spire
we cannot combine star wars nerds with 40k nerds, only one interest can be active at the same time
echo vault
Yeah it’s a cool detail
The sequels needed to be crazier, all the weird force dark side stuff needed to be in from the start, make something so crazy and experimental in the exploration of the series, I wish they went balls out crazy
arctic talon
yeah
It’s a giant formation of necron weapons with a giant fucking monolith in the center
plush mason
how powerful are those monoliths?
echo vault
BEHOLD, THE WEIRDBOY TOWER
rustic spruce
you'll likely feel it if one shoots you
arctic talon
The entire formation is meant to be a equivalent to an entire apocalypse force
We were gona get a GW battle report with it but uh
Parts of it got stolen so uh
Yeah
plush mason
stolen?
arctic talon
On the other hand we got an official kitbash of it
rustic spruce
painting a tesseract vault looks like it'd be a pain
echo vault
They need to make the imperator into a resin model, just give the person building it diseases from all the resin
echo vault
Whatever cancers are in resin
plush mason
oof
echo vault
arctic talon
It’s just a long monolith
arctic talon
Is this official?
rustic spruce
official ork submersible model when
arctic talon
It looks like it’s in titanicus scale
echo vault
Is this official?
No, featured on Warhammer community but no
It's titanicus scale imperator
It's a knight castellan with terrain pieces for the gothic architecture
arctic talon
Neat
rustic spruce
how good is Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters
arctic talon
It’s fun as a game
Brutally hard
You will learn to fear the heavy stubber cultist over all
2 shotter of terminators
plush mason
"guys we need to hammer home the fact that the imperium is a militaristic theocracy" "i got it, giant killer mechs that look like medieval churches"
rustic spruce
terminator armor is more of a suggestion
echo vault
They did castigator knight heads that look baller
arctic talon
On the other hand you pretty much murder everything
In that game lol
You hit extremely hard
Enemies hit back hard as well
It’s got a learning curve but once you get your head around it it’s fun
echo vault
I'm starting to come up with some ideas for a pre heresy era drama
Where a traitor praetor has to guide a series of forge worlds to the warmasters side
And the slow realization as the hive nobles are waxing on about how great the crusade is and how noble they are for the emperor, knowing you're going to have to turn them from the light
The only legion this could work for is EC, and I imagine the lore being that the legio was super old from before fulgrim was found, honor bound to fight with the legion and protect them as their numbers dwindled due to space cancer
The easy name is legio Phoenician but I think legio falernian would be cooler, falernian being an ancient Roman wine that was the most rare and expensive, and as of now is extinct
dusk patrol
God I want a Deathwatch squad based RTS
arctic talon
God I want a Deathwatch squad based RTS
We already got one
I have it on my phone
đź’€
dusk patrol
I said the real Deathwatch squad based RTS
echo vault
Freeblade?
plush mason
I have it on my phone
i played that too a long ass time ago. the only good part was the banter
arctic talon
Lol
plush mason
it was every bit as bad as i remembered it lol
plush mason
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821415217078206474/1053865342071476264/v12044gd0000ceefcfbc77u1ebmmtea0.mov is this an official animation from GW?
if so where is it from
storm jungle
if so where is it from
Warhammer+
crisp heath
"The Exodite"
storm jungle
plush mason
k
plush mason
shhhh its like the one joy they get
storm jungle
sad but true
also having watched the Exodite dont worry
Krieg get like 1 minute of screentime out of 30
thats like the only scene where the Tau come in contact with them before massacring the rest and flying off
crisp heath
I refuse to watch it because it's called The Exodite and yet has no Eldar
crisp heath
is she an exodite
crisp heath
Damn a male eldar, they really were bold with this one
storm jungle
LMAO
but yeah uh
the Exodite shifted MASSIVELY during development
after they got hired by GW the project got entirely rewritten
the O.G trailer had striking scorpions attacking space marines among other things, all dropped now
urban spire
striking scorpions are weird
crisp heath
I don't really know much about them, I'm not too big on Aeldari, but I did notice pretty much immediately that they're kind of supposed to look like Predator, and it's cool that Eldar of all the xenos get to be Predator.
urban spire
eldar are setting jobbers, they very rarely get to do anything cool
storm jungle
Nids are the top jobbers
Eldar are like 2nd or 3rd place
they hang out in the pub after hours and get drunk on this fact like pals
bronze elm
Hey folks, so I'm getting ready to write a 40k fic and I'm wondering if there are any cool imperial factions I should research and include
urban spire
idk nids have wiped out big chunks of civilization