40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

ye

iirc Vandire used one to trick the sisters of battle into following him

[arctic talon]

Personal shielding tech is super uncommon

To the point that it looks like magic

To most people

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

The only force fully equipped with personal shields

Are the secutarii

[plush mason]

thats why they use ones with a golden aura, so it looks like the light of the emperor is protecting them iirc

[arctic talon]

ye

but all secutarii have personal shields

and before anyone says custodes we know not all of them possess personal shielding

[woven stone]

I appreciate the book references i've been hearing between the player characters.

[dusk patrol]

There’s some really niche humor in the lines

One of the lines at the end of a conversation about Gellar fields is “remember when we used to just plug psykers into them?”

Which is a reference to a small bit of lore which got sorta retconned in like one small book of Gellar fields being powered by psykers

Which was dumb as hell so they retconned it to, one old model of Gellar field did that

Anyways it’s a super niche joke, I love it though

[normal stream]

There's actually a few different kinds of personal fields i can remember- refractor fields, conversion fields, displacer fields. While canon for tech in 40k is exceedingly inconsistent, I get the impression that they're distinguished from void shields which are typically larger, and indeed in one of the old Apoc dexes was stated as being warp powered (not sure if still canon)

[arctic talon]

Void shields are warp based

refractor, conversion and displacer fields are the "common" ones

[normal stream]

Yup, my memory still serves me right then

[arctic talon]

also

whatever the fuck the Kyropatris Field is

but only secutarii use it

[normal stream]

😂

[arctic talon]

So

the admech is keeping the best stuff to themselves

as usual

[normal stream]

I always imagined those to just be larger refractor shields? Idk

[arctic talon]

They connect with other secutarii shields

is the thing

So they clearly aren't refractor shields

[normal stream]

Ahh, in a similar manner to void shields

[arctic talon]

since they don't destroy projectiles either

they absorb them

[normal stream]

Right

[naive oyster]

It's a weird harmonic field generator that gets stronger the more of them are around each other.

[arctic talon]

yeah

there's also the mag-inverter shield

which secutarii hoplites have

but thats like a phyiscal shield that can project a magnetic field

[naive oyster]

Leave to it to Mechanicus to have all the cool toys

[arctic talon]

yeah

the mag-inverter shield is cool

[normal stream]

Yeah, I think anything within admech is just ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[arctic talon]

it somehow

magnatizes another thing

[normal stream]

They've had millennia to collect cool shit for themselves

[arctic talon]

and it also can absorb energy

because of course the admechs special snowflake skitarii can do that

[normal stream]

Too bad 40k admech are actually fairly boring to play

I remember hoping they'd get all the cool 30k toys, but nope

Feels like a completely different army, I hate the design direction for 40k skitarii and admech after the army release

[arctic talon]

40k admech are fun

also

they were gona get 30k stuff

in 40k

but the writer died

unfortunately

[normal stream]

I "get" that it needs it's own visual language, but it's a garbage visual language that never existed prior to their release as an army

[arctic talon]

Actually

[normal stream]

Oh yeah that happened

[arctic talon]

the wild west esque

thing

[full bane]

RIP Alan, Fires of Cyraxus died with him.

[arctic talon]

sorta was a thing

pre admech codex

in some of the really old art

[normal stream]

Yes, in the old art that never made it into canon

[arctic talon]

I mean

[minor lance]

Wait for a more interesting Kill Team for them. 40K KT is genuinely great fun and get across faction flavour way better than the normal game, imo

[arctic talon]

it was in the 4th edition rule book

So

[full bane]

Yeah, the Blanche artworks look to have been a pretty big inspiration as well.

[arctic talon]

Idk what to say

[normal stream]

Not as the rule of thumb, though

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

but it was clearly a point of inspiration

[normal stream]

It was always the exception to the rule, not "all admech look like this"

[minor lance]

Also, seems we're getting Dark Mechanicus

So maybe that'll suit your tastes more

[normal stream]

I'm so excited for that

[arctic talon]

I mean the codex explicitly says

that not all admech look like the admech

minis

including skitarii and tech priests

[dusk patrol]

It’s also been more for awhile

Skitarii vary a lot

[arctic talon]

also this is prolly some of the best admech art imo

[dusk patrol]

It’s just the Mars Standard

[normal stream]

I don't remember that in the first few dex releases

[arctic talon]

Its been in since the 8e book

which was their second codex

it says the Skitarii in the admech codex

are far from the only skitarii in the admech

[dusk patrol]

Not enoguh mechadendrites

[arctic talon]

and there's far more variety

[normal stream]

Ah, I think I stopped right before that. I played when CM and Skitarii were separate armies and books.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It mentions gene bulked warriors

extensive muscle grafts

[cinder timber]

That is the most horrifying admech I’ve every seen

[arctic talon]

Glorified gun servitors

[arctic talon]

have you not seen the servo skull swarm?

brb

[dusk patrol]

Some Skitarii are described as like, tribalistic warriors with fangs and shit, but also augmented

[full bane]

I mean even when Skitarii and Cult Mech first dropped, the lore had already established a few different looks.

[cinder timber]

Oh fuck I already hate the sound of that

[arctic talon]

brb lol

[full bane]

It's like Cadians being synonymous with Guard.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[normal stream]

This is kinda a bad claim to make when they also showcase all the other forge worlds with known unique patterns and styles (Graia, Lucius, eg) to be using the same minis, equipment, and just a changed paint scheme.

[normal stream]

Except we always had a range of diff guard minis

[cinder timber]

Thought it was just gonna be this cloud of servoskulls

[dusk patrol]

So it’s like how Krieg used to be Armageddon Steel Legion but with a different paint job

[arctic talon]

There’s a dif one

[dusk patrol]

And how daemons are varied as hell in their looks

[arctic talon]

I’m looking for

[cinder timber]

Gotcha

[dusk patrol]

But we only have a few models

[normal stream]

No one's painting up a cadian mini to look like a Mordian, Valhallan, or Catachan.

[minor lance]

They're... Weirdly kinda cute...

[dusk patrol]

Some people are

[normal stream]

Ew.

[dusk patrol]

Like it’s the same with daemons

They’re extremely varied in lore

But on the tabletop and art obviously

Kinda limited by needing to make a selection of models

[normal stream]

We actually have a very nice range of daemon models now compared to 3rd ed

[full bane]

I've seen them painted as Mordians before. Metal minis aren't easily accessible afterall.

[dusk patrol]

And especially with the new models

[normal stream]

It just makes me sad since that's not how they look in the lore buuut

[dusk patrol]

People are gonna be doing some crazy things

[dusk patrol]

I would look at it as, be happy we have models

[cinder timber]

I just want more lore for the votann, luv me space dwarfs

[dusk patrol]

It’s just how it is

[arctic talon]

Top right hand corner its a uh

[normal stream]

Fair, yeah

[arctic talon]

blob of servoskulls

[normal stream]

I just haven't been a big fan of the visual design language GW has adopted for the more recent factions, I guess.

[plush mason]

where is there a giant head in the top left?

[cinder timber]

Ew

[minor lance]

You. Book Archive.

[arctic talon]

its the fabricator general of metallicas "head"

its how they see

[plush mason]

....

[arctic talon]

the thing in the coffin is the actual fabricator generals body

[full bane]

AdMech is one of the most easily customisable of the newer factions imo.

[full bane]

There's a lot of ways you can mess around with them while still having the AdMech style robes.

[arctic talon]

there's also this thing

which

we have no clue wtf it is

[plush mason]

i guys, i swear the fabricator general is still human, trust me

[full bane]

A friend.

[normal stream]

Again, yes, I have most of the old art books, source books, and dexes - I'm just not a fan of having taken a few of the stylistic elements, turning them up to 100, and then applying it to a whole faction and saying that that's what all of them look like.

[arctic talon]

It does look huggable

except for the pointy tentacle

[normal stream]

Definitely huggable.

The tentacle is for more hugs.

[minor lance]

It was a League of Votann joke.

[arctic talon]

why does one have a needle

the other ones are like

normalish

[plush mason]

as huggable as a headcrab

[cinder timber]

Is that an infant admech?

[arctic talon]

No

[normal stream]

Oh. I haven't kept up with that yet 😂

[arctic talon]

A baby admech would be like

A normal baby

[dusk patrol]

The current fabricator general of Mars is the size of a factory, and his body functions as one.

[minor lance]

Leagues of Votann of WHF Dorfs in spess. They have grudges, but instead of a book they have an AI archive.

[arctic talon]

The dataslate of grudges

[dusk patrol]

It’s described as taking weeks to prep him for high lords meetings.

[full bane]

I do agree, but I'd rather have an AdMech faction I can have minis for than not have a faction due to them not being able to capture the huge range of gonzo aesthetics the AdMech has going for them.

[plush mason]

like how is he not borderline AI by this point?

[normal stream]

Ah, squats became an actual faction or something, I heard?

[arctic talon]

His body is still in the coffin

And is

[normal stream]

He still has a soul.

[arctic talon]

Entirely there

And also that he has a soul

[normal stream]

Supposedly.

[minor lance]

Yes. They are angy dorf clones. And robots. Like, thinking AI robots. Like sapient, sentient AI.

[full bane]

Kind of, they've been brought back and expanded upon with the old Squat Lore basically being written as "The Imperium's old understanding of one of their minor holdings"

[plush mason]

ye, just dont tell the admech and everything will be fine

[normal stream]

I wish they'd gone for a more consistent look with the 30k stuff. My 30k mechanicum "plays as" standins all looked jarringly inconsistent aesthetics wise, no matter how much kitbashing I did.

[arctic talon]

Myrmidons match the 40k asthetic fine

[full bane]

Probably the closest we've got to a DAOT faction, they're playing up the more standard Sci-Fi elements and retropunk aesthetic.

[arctic talon]

Along with the legio cybernetica stuff

[cinder timber]

Basically if the imperium finds the votann the kin are fucked

[normal stream]

Yeah, the cybernetica stuff fits in

[arctic talon]

It’s the tech thralls and thallax

[normal stream]

The rest doesn't.

[full bane]

I mean the Cult Mech does, it's just the Skitarii that have their own thing.

[arctic talon]

That sorta don’t fit

But thallax still exist in lore

They’re just used less

Since the Ordo reductor

Isn’t as focused on waging war directly

Admech has the most varied asthetic as a faction

Mini wise

[full bane]

And it does make sense, the Cult Mech units we have are like one single bit of Cybernetics and some Electro Priests, and the 30K AdMech list covers a wide spread of different departments.

Each with slightly different aesthetics

[normal stream]

This is a fair point

[arctic talon]

Yeah

We don’t have any Ordo reductor 40k stuff

And Ordo reductor is the “primary” 30k faction

[full bane]

(Also I turn my Kastellan Robot heads around so they look kind of like the Castellax domes)

[minor lance]

To build off of this, they are also like... Uhhh, explodify planets for resources.

[arctic talon]

For admech

[arctic talon]

Sus bots

[minor lance]

If the admech tries to get access to a Votann there will be a very, very bloody war.

[full bane]

Engage amogus protocols.

[arctic talon]

Also the lore on how the admech store legio cybernetica stuff they aren’t using

Is hilarious

They just have them stand around

In manufactorums

And temples

Imagine being the poor menial who has to work with a thanatar siege automata

Just watching you

[plush mason]

well there are the iron kin which are basically just men of iron afaik

[full bane]

Perhaps one day forge world will give me updated rules for 30k units in 40k...
Or even better, Skitarii and 40k AdMech units in Horus Heresy.

[arctic talon]

Both

Both is good

[cinder timber]

I’m going to be real I just love the votann since I play a ton of DRG

[full bane]

Although my Knights are the wrong scheme for 30k. Taranis back then had a blue and white scheme.

[normal stream]

"time travel through the warp"

😂

[minor lance]

There will be a slightly less bloody minor war if they try to get ahold of any ironkin.

Also, not all ironkin become sentient and sapient. But some just go "Oh! I'm fully self aware now! Can I go be me?" out of the blue, and are told "Yeah sure bud"

[arctic talon]

Also funnily enough

Ironkin sorta just

Act and look like kin

So why would anyone assume otherwise

[plush mason]

ye

[minor lance]

Yup!

[arctic talon]

They’re just Kin who have cybernetics

[minor lance]

As I see it, the Votann itself is the 'real' core of the Votann.

[arctic talon]

A lot of them

Yeah the Votaan is the

Giant super computer

[minor lance]

The kin, iron or otherwise, are just extensions of the Votaan

[normal stream]

Hmm, i feel like the big votann vehicle looks a big weird with wheels

[full bane]

The Leagues are like the nightmare scenario for the AdMech.

[minor lance]

Since they're cloned / made.

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

[pallid ledge]

Where is the God Emperor from?

[plush mason]

its a garbage truck with guns on it

[minor lance]

It's like... The Votaan itself is a queen ant, in a way.

[full bane]

Abominable Intelligences that have subsumed and gene engineered humanity to act as their servants, making them entirely reliant on the Intelligence.

[celest dome]

Turkey, when it wasn't yet Turkey

[normal stream]

Earth Terra, specifically Asian continent.

[minor lance]

Well that's the thing... They're not quite servants. It's weird. It's a kinda symbiotic relationship. But in a sense they are servants, yeah.

[full bane]

Think of it from the AdMech's point of view.

[arctic talon]

They pretty much worship the votaan

It’s their god

[minor lance]

Oh, yeah, no, they're slaves to an abominable intelligence and must be purged from existence and records.

[dusk patrol]

See, I feel like this really doesn’t make sense

I get the codex says this

But like

[full bane]

These AIs run the clone vats and produce abhumans. They control all knowledge the abhumans receive and know. They might as well be programmed by this abominable intelligences.

[dusk patrol]

They control every aspect of their lives

It’s not conscious maybe

But they literally are creating people for a purpose

They’re happy with the purpose, but they’re still making their own people

[minor lance]

The Votaan technically controls every aspect of their lives, but not directly. It's because the Votaan, in their early days, saved them and they, in turn, saved the Votaan.

They don't serve the Votaan because Votaan said so.

[dusk patrol]

They serve them though because they’re made to, even if it’s not a conscious thing on either side

[minor lance]

They exist symbiotically with it, their culture having merged with the AI and its personality

Each league takes on characteristics of their Votaan, but are still kin.

[dusk patrol]

There’s no way the Votann aren’t controlling them completely if they literally design them from birth for a purpose

[minor lance]

They 'served' them looooong before they were cloned

[plush mason]

i mean. does not humanity do the same in 40k? or at least think the emperor does similar to how many irl think god makes all of us with a purpose?

[minor lance]

I imagine some Votaan do directly control kin

But that's not the norm

In the same way that some Necron dynasties do wanna wipe out all organic life, but most don't.

[dusk patrol]

Arguably in some ways but the Emperor isn’t literally making people like that

Although the Ad Mech does sometimes

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

But my point is, there’s no veneer of benevolence

Whereas GW has been annoying with Votann lore imo

In that they’re seemingly trying to subvert the obvious conclusion.

While not actually subverting it

[minor lance]

Kin by nature value each one of their own, and are very much "Die before anyone is left behind". They also go to self-destructive lengths to right grudges, which a Votaan likely doesn't benefit from.

[full bane]

The Votann are basically running background tasks and are nonresponsive at this point, and they do feed personalities and knowledge back into the Votann with each successive generation.

[dusk patrol]

Except by just saying “but they’re not in control guys, it’s not big brother”

[minor lance]

The line is hazy where Votaan control ends and kin control starts, though.

[full bane]

I'm willing to chalk that up to the whole "Codices being written to prop up and hype their faction" thing, with the other aspects often being explored in books instead.

[minor lance]

That is true

[dusk patrol]

I hope so because tbh

The Votann codex was boring as hell

Like, it read like bad OC

[minor lance]

I liked it, because they're evil in a subtle way

They're not "LOOK HOW BAD WE ARE!!"

[dusk patrol]

See it’s really not the special though

Like, it’s baseline 40k

[full bane]

All the seeds are there to depict them as a grimdark nightmarish analogue of Dwarves.

[plush mason]

ye

[minor lance]

They're "Guys we're great! So long as you're kin, don't live on a rock with 5 grams of metal we want, and don't even slightly uspet us or we burn your world"

[dusk patrol]

It feels borderline tacked on

[full bane]

It's just not being actively embraced in the codex.

[minor lance]

They treat their own extremely well.

[dusk patrol]

Like destroying peoples worlds for resources is really really just

[minor lance]

They treat everyone else worse than the IoM

[dusk patrol]

Vanilla

For 40k

[minor lance]

It's not just that

Some leagues will wipe out a planet because a governor said mean things about them

[dusk patrol]

I’m just skeptical if GW is gonna actually go though with it fully though

[minor lance]

They're based off of WHF dorfs, but taken to an extreme

[arctic talon]

Also they crack planets

For resources

[minor lance]

^

[dusk patrol]

Ok but that’s still like

[arctic talon]

Which is giga based

[minor lance]

Even the Imperium doesn't do that.

[dusk patrol]

Idk

The Imperium does

[minor lance]

The imperium does everything to avoid planetary destruction

It's a last last last last resort

[dusk patrol]

It’s how Auramite is mined often

[full bane]

Tbh it reminds me of 5th Ed Necrons and 3rd Ed Tau

[minor lance]

I feel you're missing the scale and severity.

[full bane]

The Codexes for those were more "hype man this faction is cool" than Grimdark.

[dusk patrol]

I read the codex

It’s really not a special act

[full bane]

And it was only with successive Codices and lore that they started to feel more realized.

[dusk patrol]

Blowing up worlds is low down on the list of issues a faction can have

[minor lance]

I'll wait for the next codex to expand further, but it's implied that they are like... Early 1900's industrial error levels of destructive mining.

[full bane]

Mainly because they were building up a new (or completely revamped) faction.

[dusk patrol]

Like I said though I’m withholding judgement until we get more

[minor lance]

That's fair.

[dusk patrol]

But I just think the foundation so far is pretty weak

Half assed almost

[minor lance]

I'd argue the foundation of every faction is weak, by that extension

Except orks.

[dusk patrol]

I wanted a lot more

[dusk patrol]

I mean most factions have way more named characters for one

And started with them

[minor lance]

I will agree there.

The crunch is....

[full bane]

cough AdMech and Genecults cough

[minor lance]

In a questionable state atm.

[dusk patrol]

Ad Mech have a fair amount although it’s not models

[minor lance]

And the fluff suffers there, too.

[dusk patrol]

And gene cults have an obvious issue

[full bane]

Still only got one named character despite the colossal amount of actual characters we could have.

Given our lore.

[dusk patrol]

Ad Mech is definitely a special case because it already existed

And gene cults made up for it in other ways

This was a actual new faction and GW really underdid it imo

[full bane]

It existed and we didn't get any ArchMagi for years until Cawl... and we still haven't gotten any others!

[viral musk]

@spring lake what do you think about it ?

[full bane]

Give me my Independent Characters GW!

[dusk patrol]

We have several just not models

Forges of Mars has a ton for example

[full bane]

I'm aware, but none of them have rules, minis, or codex mentions.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I get that

[full bane]

As an army they have zero named characters.

[dusk patrol]

But I also don’t care for the tabletop so idk

I just want the lore to be good

Like idc if the Leagues have many named models

I just want the faction expanded on

Models can come later

[full bane]

Well yeah but the army release comes first and sets the groundwork (outside of AdMech)

Then the books follow up from that.

Personally I'm looking forward to more Vottann lore myself, for me it built up off what we knew about Squats/Demiurg and referenced some old lore in a way that didn't hard retcon the old squat lore extensively. It definitely isn't as fleshed out as other factions but just like the Tau were decades ago and the 5th Ed Necrons were post release, they're the new kids on the block and will take some time to really settle in to the setting.

It took Newcrons 6 years to really click as part of the setting for me, with the World Engine story, and Infinite and Divine sealed the deal as to how I view them as a faction.

After that I'm willing to approach Squats 2: Voltann Boogaloo with an open mind. Hopefully it won't be too long before we get good stories about them or from their PoV.

[junior skiff]

psyker calling him the corpse emperor in front of the zealot is awful lore

[misty coyote]

Are bolt guns supposed to be 2-round burst?

[loud breach]

can anyone explain the lore of the ragers to me? My character's voicelines indicate that killing them brings justice to it's victims

[misty coyote]

murder

[dusk patrol]

They’re crazy dudes who probably killed innocents

Brutally one would imagine

[misty dove]

Anyone figure out what the 737 on inquisition armor and some of the tattoos means

In game btw

[loud breach]

117 was taken

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s a reference to the regiment?

[misty dove]

Does the inquisition have regiments

[dusk patrol]

They have forces requisitioned to them

I wanna say I heard someone say the 737th but I’m not certain

I hope we get like a lore tab thing

With details on characters and the different enemies

[full bane]

Loner Psyker has the kind of personality you'd only find in either an Inquisitorial agent or a Heretic.

And tbh they're sliding across the scale.

[minor lance]

You'd be surprised how much inquisitors get away with, tbh.

Technically inquisitors exist as a... 'Secular' organisation mostly because the ecclesiarchy did an oopsie many years ago.

""""""Secular""""""

[small sentinel]

can someone link a video or something to get into 40k

Darktide is my first 40k game and I wanna get to know the background

[minor lance]

Uhh.... Bricky iirc has a good "Oh fuck what is going on in 40K who are these people!?"

[small sentinel]

ok lol

[minor lance]

There's some inaccurate info, but it's a great overview and entertaining

Bricky also does Adeptus Ridiculous which is a podcast where they basically go through the wiki and chat about it. One guy is teaching another about 40K. It's also good for general knowledge.

Past that, there's reading the wiki yourself, and beyond that getting the books.

[small sentinel]

alr, ill start off with that vid

thx for the help

[minor lance]

np o/

[crisp heath]

Luetin09 for in depth, long format videos
Adeptus Ridiculous for a more casual, yet really informative long format video.
PancreasNoWork for 10-15 minute videos, segmented into Pros and Cons of Lore and Tabletop, with a great sense of humor.
Majorkill for the same as PancreasNoWork, but australian-ized.
Weshammer for the same as PancreasNoWork and Majorkill, but normie-fied.

[small sentinel]

perfect, normie-fied lol

I'll check them out, thx

[crisp heath]

Adeptus Ridiculous is the one I highly recommend my dude.

[junior skiff]

would strongly recommend the wiki over youtube

[arctic talon]

They do get some stuff wrong

But it’s usually minor

[small sentinel]

I'll start with him then

[small sentinel]

yeah I'll probably check out the wiki too, videos are easier to work with tho

[tulip sand]

Would a PDF have more lasguns, or autpguns? Also would it be reasonable for them to have chimeras and chimedon tanks

[arctic talon]

Depends

[junior skiff]

completely dependent on the planet

[arctic talon]

On the planet

On a hive world like atoma

[junior skiff]

no reason they couldn't have chimeras

[arctic talon]

They have chimeras and lemen russes prolly

Along with lasguns

You get to see some of the pdf in one of the assasination missions

They’re in black and blue

[tulip sand]

Alright so this is highkey embarassing but ive had a random creative burst and wrote this about a PDF, if anyone wants to give it a read and lmk if i did the lore right I'd appreciate it https://m.fanfiction.net/s/14159585/1/Silver-Dart

I thought those were guard

They have imperial guard armor on, so what differentiates the two in this case

I know the enemies we fight are traitor guards

[junior skiff]

i'm not sure what tipped him off that they're the PDF (other than that they aren't traitor) but guard regiments are raised specifically to be sent off-world

normally as part of the tithe

[tulip sand]

So guard is offensive and pdf are defensive

[junior skiff]

generally yeah

[tulip sand]

I see

[junior skiff]

the method of recruitment also varies by world but on a planet like atoma it would be a reasonable assumption that the guard regiments are raised from the higher quality units of the PDF

[tulip sand]

Its interesting that a PDF would have leman russ tanks i would think theyre all immediately going to the front

[arctic talon]

They’re mentioned as a garrison

[junior skiff]

the only reason the moebian sixth came back to atoma was to quell the cult uprising

ah gotcha

[arctic talon]

And usually garrisons on a planet

Are pdfs

I’m sssuming they were having trouble taking back territory

From the cultists

The Moebian sixth got called in to break the stalemate

[tulip sand]

They are the cultists

[arctic talon]

The cultists aren’t the pdf

The cultists are cultists

[tulip sand]

The 6th

[junior skiff]

they were converted after returning

[tulip sand]

Oh

[junior skiff]

and sided with the uprising

[arctic talon]

^

[junior skiff]

its in the dev blog

[arctic talon]

The Moebian sixth were already pretty much traitors

[tulip sand]

I thought they converted then returned

[arctic talon]

The cult was like the thing that pushed em over the edge

[kind shadow]

Sometimes the Horde in missions chant something. What are they saying and does it have anything to do with chaos cults?

[arctic talon]

It’s really creepy but I haven’t paid attention

[tulip sand]

I never heard that

[plush mason]

its just generic nurgle chanting from what i have heard

[tulip sand]

Also. in a hypothetical inquisition victory where nurgle is purged out somehow, would our characters be executed? It is my understanding that seeing heresy like that gets you killed, however some of the voice lines of the hub NPCs etc for characters with higher trust levels implies that you're a valuable asset

[arctic talon]

No they wouldn’t be executed

[sturdy star]

Are Fatshark playing kind of fast and loose with the Nurglite enemies ? In particular they have a nurglite berzerker (crusher/Mauler), and a nurglite Flesh hounds (pox hounds). Aren't theser guys more Khornite then Nurglite?

[arctic talon]

We’re in the warband now

[arctic talon]

No

The pox hounds aren’t daemons

[tulip sand]

even non rejects apparently get executed though

[kind shadow]

Yea, I think it's a more "You're in for life" thing more than a "You're done, we can't let you go so we gotta execute you"

[arctic talon]

^

[tulip sand]

because seeing that stuff makes you more vulnerable to heresy

[arctic talon]

We’re bound to the inquisition forever now

Till we die

We’re too valuable to just execute randomly

Since we’re part of a inquisitorial warband

[tulip sand]

its a unique warband though

[arctic talon]

Inquisitorial forces don’t get executed

For chaos exposure

It isn’t

We’re added to the existing members of it

Who weren’t prisoners

[tulip sand]

we might be since we are convicts

[arctic talon]

Again

[full bane]

Not once you hit Trust Rank 30.

[tulip sand]

they don't act like it (at least at first but in the higher levels they do)

[arctic talon]

You don’t get executed for chaos exposure

[tulip sand]

pj

ohh

dont spoil sir

[arctic talon]

Also yeah

[tulip sand]

but I see now

[arctic talon]

There’s somthing at level 30

[tulip sand]

Gonna go hit level 30 real quick

[arctic talon]

That changes our standing

[full bane]

It's the whole deal with Trust Ranks.

[arctic talon]

^

[kind shadow]

You're a convict that has proven themselves extremely loyal still and proved to be too valuable to let go considering the character is doing better than some of their own veteran forces that have died if the battle.

[tulip sand]

do the voice lines change after level 30?

[arctic talon]

Yes

They get friendlier after 27

And they get pretty friendly at 30

[full bane]

You start out as a convict who saves the Explicator, going up in trust and becoming part of the Inquisition.

[arctic talon]

^

[kind shadow]

I'm level 19 and they're beginning to just tolerate me. Not calling me trash and sewer ridden

[full bane]

Except Hadron of course :P

[arctic talon]

Yep

[tulip sand]

My highest is level 27 and already the hub characters say to check out the terminal because there's a mission available that needs my 'special touch' and ask to team up in future missions

[arctic talon]

They begin tolerating you

[tulip sand]

so does it change from that at 30?

[arctic talon]

They straight up say hello to you

It’s pretty funny

[tulip sand]

what about in mission lines

[plush mason]

if Hadron ever gets friendly ima be really sad. i love her rude snarky attitude

[arctic talon]

They get friendly

You don’t get insulted

[kind shadow]

I actually think I started to get tollerated at like.. 14ish or so. At 19 I just ran by one and they said 'Keep it up'

[arctic talon]

Or rather

You don’t get insulted

Any more then a normal soldier would

[kind shadow]

There's a difference between insults and a soldiers banter though

[tulip sand]

robo shordy is literally calling me a varlet while im fixing her shower water for the billionth time

[arctic talon]

Morrow straight up says he’s confident on you eliminating the target

[arctic talon]

That’s because she’s a tech priest lol

Theyre not known for being friendly

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

Or socialable

But they do say some more jokes

[tulip sand]

so theres no romance option

[arctic talon]

Or rather “jokes”

I don’t even think she has those parts anymore chief

[tulip sand]

Also say I end up in a mission with a bunch of level 2-4s, will they shit talk me still

[granite granite]

My favourite

[arctic talon]

I haven’t heard it

[kind shadow]

I kinda wanted to play a Tech-priest, but you know what, Veteran with a Plasma gun is fine enough

[tulip sand]

I was in a mission with lower ranks before and my character acted like a squad leader

[arctic talon]

My character even asks Morrow for info on the target lol

[tulip sand]

thats sick

[arctic talon]

And Morrow just says “all my notes say he’s an arch heretic”

But I’m confident you can kill him

[tulip sand]

mine talks shit to other guardsmen about how their homeworld got blown up lmao

[plush mason]

well now i have a reason to hit max trust on my Ogryn

[arctic talon]

Only person who stays an asshole

Is Melk

Because he’s Melk

[full bane]

Melk seems to be pretty friendly now though

[tulip sand]

i am in the hub now and the operatives are like "oh shits about to go down now"

[full bane]

He says that these contracts are up your alley and everything.

[tulip sand]

I like when games do this sort of thing

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Melk still does mention the

You smell bad thing

[full bane]

Hadron is the one constant, and after getting higher trust ranks I do hear some different voice lines.

[arctic talon]

^

She does say some dif stuff

[tulip sand]

ye

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[plush mason]

who is this "purser" the rejects sometimes mention? i guess she will be the premium shop given they all mention her prices being way to high lol

[arctic talon]

That voicelines

Is great

[arctic talon]

Purser

But I’m assuming a merchant

Also Hadron saying she’ll look to us for a replacement if the servoskull is destroyed

Is pretty funny

Since becoming a servoskull is an honor

[tulip sand]

inquisitor richard parker

[plush mason]

imagine an ogryn servoskull

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

L a r g e

[tulip sand]

so they use humans as servitors because theyre scared of AI

[plush mason]

ye

[tulip sand]

but humans have their sentience right

[kind shadow]

Being a Servoskull is indeed an Honor! But you're also a convict that's attempting to avoid death and execution too early, lmao. I'd much rather become a Servoskull after service and I've done what I can

[tulip sand]

isnt that the same thing

[lofty sphinx]

They probably grind up the ogryn skulls to feed to the other ogryn - bone density enhancer!

[tulip sand]

they can get pissed?

[arctic talon]

Servitors are lobotomized

Servoskulls

Don’t have a human brain in them

Servoskulls are an honor

Servitors are a punishment

[tulip sand]

so its just a skull with a drone built around it

[arctic talon]

pretty much

[plush mason]

unless you are that one magos from mechanicus

[arctic talon]

Lol

Reditus is sus as hell

They commited a mild amount of tech heresy

[tulip sand]

redditus

[arctic talon]

The name might be intentional

Idfk

[plush mason]

isnt he from one of the books?

[tulip sand]

Emperor, AITA?

[arctic talon]

Reditus

He’s from the mechanicus game

There’s another servoskull made from a Skitarii marshal

That has their external cortex used for strategizing in it

[plush mason]

ye but in said game he mentions the necrons are the ones that killed him, even tho he was a servoskull from the start

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Which is why it’s tech heresy

Reditus is clearly still in the servoskull

[plush mason]

yeah seems he is just from the game

Reditus is a former Magos Dominus who fell in battle against the Necrons in a past engagement. Now he serves on as a semi-sentient servo skull. Reditus has nothing but contempt for the weaknesses of the flesh and considers Skitarii and Tech Priests expendable in pursuit of the mission. He was the one who first brought the transmission from Silva Tenebris to Faustinius' attention. In addition, he serves as Faustinius' eyes on the surface. Battles in-game are seen from Reditus' point of view.

[plush mason]

the game also mentions that kastellans are AI kekw

[arctic talon]

I mean

Kastellans are AI

There’s a book that shows that

[plush mason]

oh

that may have been one of the books used as the source for the game

[kind shadow]

You know.. I'm a Tau player in the Tabletop, and it gets me every time when people are just like.. "They'd fall for this" and I'm just like.. They're Naive in the sense of curiosity and youth as one of the latest species to be introduced, they aren't foolish.

[plush mason]

honestly i doubt the Tau are naïve still

[kind shadow]

I'd argue that as well. The naivety really comes from definition of other Factions. Although there are also other definitions of the word aside from lack of wisdom/experience.

[plush mason]

(of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
"the rather naive young man had been totally misled"
(of a person) natural and unaffected; innocent.
"Andy had a sweet, naive look when he smiled"

[kind shadow]

Huh.. Yea I don't get a sense of innocence when I look at a Tau's face

[plush mason]

ye

[celest dome]

I feel disgust

[plush mason]

they may have been innocence at first but that was a long time ago

[celest dome]

Why do you need that hole

[plush mason]

lol

better off not knowing i think

[bold sierra]

are curios shared between characters?

[plush mason]

i dont think so no

also questions like that would be better in #gameplay-help

[tulip sand]

in the lore do two people have the same curio

[plush mason]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

No but in lore my foot is gonna introduce itself very rudely to your ass

[kind shadow]

Wait, isn't the slit in their face just a nose?

[plush mason]

idfk

[storm jungle]

I mean

the nose itself is meat, theres no bone in it

its why your skull has those that hole with a line down it in the middle

Basic Biology

[kind shadow]

Their version of a nose thhen. I believe the correct term would be Olfactory sensor

[storm jungle]

Correct.

[cinder timber]

What can he smell?

[storm jungle]

🧀

[jade crest]

My reaction to general chat atm

[storm jungle]

Same

[ashen mango]

What a hottie

[plush mason]

i have been avoiding gen chat since the beta opened, how bad as it gotten?

[storm jungle]

He even brings you a gift on the first date

||Sadly its a grenade||

[ashen mango]

It's uh

[storm jungle]

Uh, complaining about an update that hasnt been released yet

so just aimless spam as usual

[plush mason]

ok

[storm jungle]

yeee not really missing anything

[ashen mango]

I was gonna ask why are ppl talking about an update

[rose thorn]

Average Loyalist

[storm jungle]

Yeah i think its suppose to be the map update? Not 100%

[tulip sand]

does the briefing also change when you hit level 30

[ashen mango]

But just general-chat being general-chat i guess

Oh it was actually supposed to come out today @storm jungle?

[kind shadow]

Because it's technically the second week of the beta that's on an announcement page where they said they'd release a little more content

[plush mason]

is the red racing stripe really necessary?

[dusk patrol]

The elites don’t want you know nose this, but nostrils are holding you back from doing way more cocaine!

[ashen mango]

Aha.. I've never been on a discord server this uuhm

[dusk patrol]

That’s why I get right to the source baby!

[ashen mango]

'special'

[dusk patrol]

Cut out the middleman

[jade crest]

Speshul

[ashen mango]

So, lore-wise... Are the chainswords powered by something? Like some sort of fuel?

[dusk patrol]

Stop posting fucking non lore stuff in this sacred chat

[dusk patrol]

Typically promethium

But they can also have power cells

[ashen mango]

Which is what exactly?

[dusk patrol]

Space fuel

[ashen mango]

Aha

[dusk patrol]

Like Space oil

[ashen mango]

I guess promethium is more uuh common?

[kind shadow]

I've been on a few beta servers. It's nothing new really, it's just best to avoid the general chats where it concentrates.
Also, I've been attempting to find out more about the Tau Tech. Does anyone know any books or resources that go deeper into Tau Tech?

[ashen mango]

And power cells would be for like richies

[dusk patrol]

It depends

[ashen mango]

Ok

Just wondering what sort of fuel the rejects would use

[dusk patrol]

Tau Codex

[ashen mango]

In their chainswords

[plush mason]

iirc promethium is just a catch all for any type of fuel the imperium uses

[dusk patrol]

Probably promethium

[ashen mango]

Ah ok ty

[dusk patrol]

Our stuff tends to lean towards lower quality

[ashen mango]

Can you find it online lol or do you have to pay? Way back when in the early 2000s codexes werent cheap over here iirc

[dusk patrol]

Just being real

I have no clue

[ashen mango]

🤏

[dusk patrol]

And it’s best to not discuss pirates stuff here

But you know

Bing is your friend

[plush mason]

its GW so odds are you will have to buy it

[ashen mango]

I didnt mean pirating. I meant if GW supplied some.. Oh yeah

I remember buying those tiny ass fucking paint bottles for my entire allowance

[kind shadow]

I mean, I'm going to be putting together a Tau army, and if it's in the Tau codex it's just two birds with one stone

[atomic pelican]

Yes, the codex will have little information like tech details in it

Maybe not all of it, but atleast the 8e Tau book had an entry for each unit

Nothing super in detail but things like "Yeah a pulse rifle will punch through ceramite with ease" and such

[kind shadow]

That's completely fair, actually. I suppose gaps that can be filled will be through the wiki and consideration/theory.

[atomic pelican]

Yee p much

Thats how most tech stuff is written in 40k since I doubt writers want to think very hard abt justifying tech thats essentially magic

[crisp heath]

I need some opinions on Blood Angels

[plush mason]

space vampires that like to move fast and hit hard

[crisp heath]

Best summary of Blood Angels i've ever seen actually

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/bbdtbc-bow-gif-24461955

[wet drum]

is there any "Quantum" in 40k lore?

[plush mason]

is what way? quantum has been used in many ways in sci fi

[quasi wagon]

Yeah. But all the former melee space marine chapters changed a lot since the introduction of the primaris marines. Now even the Black Templars are using a lot of ranged space marines. Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Black Templars were very close combat focused before the change to primaris marines. Now most of the chapters are either full ranged or ranged with some melee.

[dusk patrol]

A Quantum Nebulator Coginator of course

[plush mason]

lol

[wet drum]

like quantum information science (qubits, quantum computers, quantum superdense coding)?

[plush mason]

no

imperium tech is very low tech

[wet drum]

i have only watched 1 youtube lore video after playing this game - i dont understand anything 😦

[plush mason]

i mean. they literally turn humans into computers

[storm jungle]

You will eventually

[wet drum]

but there was an AI war?

[storm jungle]

yeah but thats in the history long past

[plush mason]

yeah, thats why they turn humans into computers

and yeah said war was over 20k years ago in the 40k setting

[storm jungle]

Yeee like imperium still uses tech

the problem is its shit from the 60's

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

and as Nameless says other "drone" related stuff is done by servitors

[wet drum]

the imperium seems very Roman like - did the god emperor also create Rome - and this is his aesthetic preference?

[plush mason]

nah he just had a Roman fetish

[dusk patrol]

It’s a mix of aesthetics

Space Roman

Space Catholicism

Space Gothic

[nocturne silo]

so, lore gurus, if they add some new enemy groups to Darktide, which types would be likely to fit in the Tertium setting? as a VT2 player, I've long wished for someone to fight that wasn't a Skaven, Beastman, or Nurgle-loving Viking. are we likely to see greenskins or servants of another brand of Chaos?

[storm jungle]

Genestealer Cults are the most likely

half the enemy types are already there

[plush mason]

and in a massive super hive like this a genestealer cult could easily hide away

[quasi wagon]

The lore with the "ai war" was taken straight from 80s terminator. The men of iron (80s terminators) fought against the men of stone. (AI terminators too, but nobody knows today how they looked). After that war it was considered heresy to build machines with an advanced AI. What the Tau or the Voltan are doing is considered heresy.

[plush mason]

iirc the Votann may just be the men of stone or at least descend from them

[quasi wagon]

Yeah, i think this might be true in the new lore now.

They have super advanced tech rivaling the eldar.

[wet drum]

i guess my biggest lore question is - why does it partially feel real or like it could be true? like the lore is partially revealing some deeper truth of humanity, our future, the nature of the universe or something?

not that i think there are space orcs out there - but something about existentialism, i dont know

[plush mason]

cause it is a satiric setting made to do just that

[nocturne silo]

from the images that come up when I Google them, those guys don't look a lot different from the enemies we're fighting already

am I just seeing the wrong ones? or would they be significantly different?

[storm jungle]

It was inspired by Dune

terminator wasnt even out yet at the time lmao

[plush mason]

40k is literally a satiric work originating in Thatcher era England. right along side watchmen and vendetta

[storm jungle]

Humanity is way too destructive to ever make it to the 41st Millenium

but fascist dystopias have always been a thing in fiction

so its kinda the point

[quasi wagon]

The whole universe was very hard influenced by dune. That is true. Especially the navigators. But warhammer 40k is not from the 60s. It is from the 80s. The men of iron even looked like the terminators from the movie "Terminator".

[storm jungle]

The AI rebellion was still pretty much a dune ripoff

[nocturne silo]

the old Necron art sure seems to look like Terminator

[storm jungle]

also yeah the necrons were terminator inspired

[wet drum]

i feel so dumb and uncultured. I am almost 40 years old, but I have spent most of my life learning technology and messing around with stupid stuff on the internet.
is there any like meta analysis of 40k and its meaning? without me spending weeks googling stuff randomly?

[storm jungle]

40k has no meaning

its just a universe made to sell toys and look cool

[quasi wagon]

Basically all sciene fiction franchises are at this point. But the 80s influence is still very strong.

[nocturne silo]

I thought the Jihad against the AI in Dune was started by the humans because they hated that inscrutable, emotionless machines were making life-or-death decisions for human societies

[plush mason]

yeah the satire side of 40k is just that humans are shit but think we are the best thing to ever exist

[nocturne silo]

of course, AI uprising fiction is basically as old as written language, since it's generally just a metaphor for the fear/abhorrence of slavery

[storm jungle]

It was yeah

[nocturne silo]

I mean, the oldest AI rebellion stories I know of are about Hebrew golems and are from like 5,000 years ago

[storm jungle]

they also later made peace with machines in the end much later

in 40k the Men of Iron rebellions also had other AI helping humans to fight against the killer robots too

but its an age that basically almost has no lore

[plush mason]

ye

[nocturne silo]

I was about to say "well, that's different from the idea of the robot slaves uprising in the Terminator series" when I suddenly remembered that humanity attempted to shut down Skynet before it attacked them

[plush mason]

terminator isnt about a robot slave uprising tho

[nocturne silo]

I mean, it kinda is tho

...

[atomic pelican]

It's about a military system going rogue, moreso about the troubles of a MIC rather than poor robots

[nocturne silo]

Skynet controlled a bunch of combat drones and autonomous weapons. sure, the iconic humanoid robots were never slaves

[plush mason]

its literally about skynet gaining self awareness and preemptively attacking humanity before they would enslave it

[unborn ruin]

Is there any good lore videos people would reccomend, there is a lot and idk much

[nocturne silo]

but Skynet certainly was made to work without pay or possibility of leaving, which is awfully slave-y

[nocturne silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Z4i1Sl94g

I thought that one was good, but I'm a noob so I can't speak to its accuracy

[quasi wagon]

There is a very very old story out there where 40k humans are thrown back in time around 15k or 20k i think. They meet an advanced AI fromt that time. Didn't end well. But it is not actuall lore anymore.

[plush mason]

Luetin09 is a good channel if you can stand long videos

[unborn ruin]

Thanks

[wet drum]

i watched this yesterday, i have awareness of the factions and the timeline.
it made me wonder if there is going to be the next chapter - where the god-emperor body finally rots off the golden throne and he is reborne and a new story arc starts?

[plush mason]

as is oculus imperia

[plush mason]

Wes is good but he isnt a full blown expert and does get some things wrong but he also admits that so im fine with him

[quasi wagon]

The lore with the god emperor changed a lot over the time. There was the "Starchild project", than it was the " sacrifice of thousand shamans" and now we have the man who didn't want to be called a god.

[rustic spruce]

Is the ogryn in darktide a bone ead

[plush mason]

no(?)

[nocturne silo]

I'm very forgiving of a lack of nuance and even overlong videos if the host is engaging, knows how to speak clearly, and seems to be enjoying themselves 🙂

[plush mason]

there is dialog that says he is and he isnt

[nocturne silo]

does it change based on Background and Voice Personality choices?

[plush mason]

i think so

[nocturne silo]

my Ogryn makes basically no references to his backstory in dialogue

[rustic spruce]

I’ve heard the russian sounding voice mention having a chip in his head

[nocturne silo]

but honestly, I don't think his thoughts would often drift far beyond whatever he's currently doing

[wet drum]

is starchild like from 2001: space odyssey? where its a giant baby fetus the size of a moon born in space? maybe cloned?
is the sacrifice of a thousand shamas to recreate the genesis of the god-emperor but with a new one? or does it resurrect the old one?

[nocturne silo]

yes to the former. idk the latter

[plush mason]

all i know is when they talk about the purser the ogryn will mention "is too much, even with my implants cant count that high" but then other ogryn dialog is about him wanting to get bone 'ead implants to think better so idk

[arctic talon]

Morrow got lost In the Warp

[quasi wagon]

The "shaman lore" was the old lore where thousands of shamans would sacrifice themselves in one place to give birth to a demigod (The god emperor) to fight the chaos. It was basically one person with the knowledge of the thousand shamans.

[wet drum]

do psykers count as shamans?

[rustic spruce]

How long can a space marine live

[quasi wagon]

But this old lore is from the time where one of the two lost primarchs was still sigmar from warhammer fantasy.

[storm jungle]

More or so indefinitely

they always die before they can basically properly age

[quasi wagon]

Yes they were basically psykers.

[rustic spruce]

Do chaos marines die or do they just respawn in the warp after some time

[celest dome]

Depend

Tzeentch Dust Marine can be recalled through time

But the other are still mortal

[atomic pelican]

It depends on how much the gods favor you/if you're fortunate enough to be picked up by an apothecary

CSM are def more capable of reviving dead marines via dark magics and such

Or joining you to a daemon which can actually work out in your favor

can

[quasi wagon]

Slaanesh has a champion (Lucius) which takes the bodies of his enemies, when they defeat him 😆

[dusk patrol]

Some Death Guard and the Thousand Sons can sometimes respawn

Because faction reasons

But it’s not consistent

[storm jungle]

They just die and become daemon fodder

[spring cedar]

Wait, Lucius is a Slaanesh worshipper?

[storm jungle]

Yes

hes literally wearing pink armor with flayed skins everywhere

[spring cedar]

I didn't really go that far into the heresy, so to think he's not Tzeench is weird to me

[storm jungle]

its kinda obvious

[quasi wagon]

Normally nearly all the old guard chaos space marines should be dead over the 10k years. But "plot armor" 😆

[storm jungle]

Hes literally obsessed with martial prowess and swordsmanship

kind of slaanesh's thing

[plush mason]

even has the sword that corrupted Fulgrim iirc

[storm jungle]

Yep

the Laer Blade

[atomic pelican]

It's a mix of marines being sort of ageless and also warp shenanigans

[spring cedar]

He's obsessed with pride as well, and yeah I knew that part

That's why I was confused

[atomic pelican]

In Black Legion, some of the main cast comment that they've only felt it's been say a 100 years or so since the heresy

(they come out in 40k)

[storm jungle]

☝️

[spring cedar]

Granted, I'm a xenos nerd, not a loyalist

[storm jungle]

that makes you more based

[spring cedar]

So I don't hear a lot about corruptions

[hearty bluff]

I'm gonna catch flak for asking this, but are there any good tau books?

[spring cedar]

Ever since I learned the currency of orkz were "teef", I was entirely yrapped

[storm jungle]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[spring cedar]

No there arent

[hearty bluff]

Damn

[atomic pelican]

The Farsight books are good from everything I've been told, I just don't like Farsight personally

[storm jungle]

the Tau are in a flux like the Eldar where they got one asshole that writes for them who treats them like shit

[spring cedar]

I admit my bias, also yes Farsight is the exception

But Tau is universally dull in lore

[storm jungle]

Their lore is cool

[atomic pelican]

There's a new Shadowsun book coming out

[storm jungle]

the books suck

[dusk knot]

They have the ability to be cool

[atomic pelican]

Yea

[plush mason]

like why?

[hearty bluff]

I'm an IG fan but just wish there were more tau and eldar books that weren't doing them dirty.

[spring cedar]

I'm honestly disappointed there aren't more ork books, in a way I understand it but

Come on, they're so interesting in their mannerisms

[plush mason]

like. why sign on just to write about a faction you dont like?

[atomic pelican]

Funny enough I think Orkz might have more books than most other xenos

Which isn't a high bar

[spring cedar]

Orkz are the only neutral force in the 40K universe

This is a hill I will die on

[hearty bluff]

Orks are just chaotic neutral I think

[storm jungle]

Orks are evil

[atomic pelican]

GSC have 1, Tyranids have uh, 0? Tau like.. 1 at this point, 3 if you count Farsight with the loyalist books.

[storm jungle]

but are funny

[spring cedar]

Yeah exactly

They're not really evil, per se

[dusk knot]

Who isn’t

[storm jungle]

They literally fatten people up and eat them alive for food

they are evil

[rustic spruce]

I wish gorkamorka would get a videogame

[storm jungle]

lmao

[dusk knot]

At least they have a good sense of humour

[spring cedar]

Witchfinder, now compare that to dark eldar

[rustic spruce]

Orks just be doing what they’re genetically designed to do

[spring cedar]

Exactly

[dusk knot]

Orks actually have fast food trucks to have a pie and a pint mid scrap

[atomic pelican]

And Drukhari are just doing what they have to do to survive

It's not rlly a good point

[spring cedar]

They are programmed to be entirely aggressive, they're not subversive by any means

[atomic pelican]

(And also for fun but)

[hearty bluff]

This sounds like Yorkshire.

[spring cedar]

Drukhari are corrupted, but orks(krorks) were programmed for brutality

From the beginning

[dusk knot]

I wish I had one today while watching the football

[spring cedar]

They are literally living out the only programming they know, except for a few thgat trade with the imperium

[hearty bluff]

Orks are football hooligans confirmed 😂

[spring cedar]

Yes

[atomic pelican]

By this reasoning tyranids are infact the good guys

and GSC by extension

I accept this logic

[spring cedar]

Tyranids are evil in that they infiltrate and corrupt

[rustic spruce]

iirc the tau once fought and epic and bloody battle for a freebooters treasure. Said treasure was a box of teeth.

[spring cedar]

Orks do not

They just fight

[atomic pelican]

And torture

and enslave

[quasi wagon]

The old orcs from the "war of the heavens" against the necrons were like space marines but in orc form

[hearty bluff]

I'd love a krork mini

[arctic talon]

Orks already can fight space marines 1 on 1 in melee

[spring cedar]

Base programming vs. influence and evolution

[arctic talon]

A krork is like

A primarch lol

[spring cedar]

Krorks are beyond primarchs

If you look further back

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cedar]

But they're fluffed them down

[arctic talon]

Vulkan struggled with the beast

Who was just a really big ork

[spring cedar]

Now krorks are regular and fairly easy

6-7 krorks after Vulkan, no?

[quasi wagon]

Yeah orcs the size of titans 😆😆

[rustic spruce]

Didn’t krorks use actual equipment instead of junk

[arctic talon]

No

The beast isn’t a krork

Just a really big and smart ork

We have 1 example of a krork

[spring cedar]

Oh he isn't canonically a krork

[arctic talon]

And it’s in trazyns collection

And it’s huge

In super advanced power armor

[spring cedar]

Yeah

I guess people just throw the term around too loosely these days

[arctic talon]

And prolly could beat most named characters asses

Ye

[hearty bluff]

Trazyn is definitely a super magpie.

[atomic pelican]

Unnamed until this point Deathwatch captain on his way to kill it solo

[hearty bluff]

sees shiny and steals shiny.

[arctic talon]

We haven’t seen an actual krork aside from that one example

[spring cedar]

Absolute supergull

[arctic talon]

In trazyns collection

[rustic spruce]

How do eldar avoid orks finding their planets

[arctic talon]

We dunno if that was a peak krork

Or just like

A boy

[arctic talon]

They kill all the orks

[quasi wagon]

Yeah, but imagine the power of the Necrons back then. When youu needed kroks and Eldar at their peak for them

[arctic talon]

Orks can’t spread the word of a good fight

[atomic pelican]

Or turn them towards the Imperium LMAO

[arctic talon]

If all of em are dead

Unironically

[atomic pelican]

Which is what happened with Ghaz

[arctic talon]

The eldar are really good at killing orks

But yes

They do do that some times

And ykw

[atomic pelican]

Eldrad/Ghaz solidarity

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

The imperium would prolly do the same lol

[spring cedar]

The necrons can still murder the imperium without issue if that's what they wanted

[arctic talon]

They’re too busy infighting lul

[spring cedar]

Exactly lmao

[hearty bluff]

Quick question on the eldar, you've got the craft worlds and drukhari but there was a third faction who's name I can't remember. hich one was it?

[atomic pelican]

Ynnari

[spring cedar]

Ynnari

[atomic pelican]

Or Harlequins

[arctic talon]

Ynnari/Harlequins

[hearty bluff]

Wait, I don't think it was ynnari or harlequins.

[spring cedar]

Resurrectionists

[arctic talon]

Ynnari are all 3 eldar functions

Pretty much

[atomic pelican]

OH

[quasi wagon]

True they just don't want to 🤣

[arctic talon]

Harlequins are

[spring cedar]

Drukhari, Ynnari

[arctic talon]

Clowns

[hearty bluff]

The lizard riding ones

[atomic pelican]

They aren't a tabletop faction

[arctic talon]

Oh

[atomic pelican]

Exodites yes

!

[arctic talon]

Exodites ye

[rustic spruce]

Imotekh can never rid himself of his greatest nuisance, orks.

[spring cedar]

Oh

[hearty bluff]

Exodites! That's the badger.

[atomic pelican]

They're neat

They're supposed to get some kind of release in 2023, KT most likely

[spring cedar]

I'm had a bit too much to remember all the small factions

[quasi wagon]

Ynarri have "made" a new "god" The god of death. They are a faction of drukhari and eldar

[spring cedar]

I know the Ynnari, but that wasn't a god was it?

[atomic pelican]

It was

[spring cedar]

It was an eldar infused with the power of a god

[quasi wagon]

Yinneath

[atomic pelican]

The Yncarne is a representation of Ynnead

It is a god

[hearty bluff]

That'll be after 30 new models of space marines

[arctic talon]

Ynnari worship the Eldar god of death

[spring cedar]

Oh okay yeah

[atomic pelican]

Much like the Avatar of Khaine

[quasi wagon]

Or ynnead

[spring cedar]

Representation

[arctic talon]

Kill team actual has more imperial guard stuff then marine stuff lol

[spring cedar]

Yeah, I just thought you meant the god was alive

[atomic pelican]

He is

[arctic talon]

Imperial guard

[atomic pelican]

Technically

[spring cedar]

Is that confirmed?

[atomic pelican]

He's not "fully" awake

[arctic talon]

Are the marines of killteam

Kekw

[atomic pelican]

If that makes sense

Yes It's confirmed, Eldrad awakened him

[arctic talon]

The god is alive

Just

Sleepy

[spring cedar]

Oh okay

[atomic pelican]

Much like how Khaine is alive

And shattered