40k-lore-chat

[radiant shale]

terra can't support life on its own, no oceans, artificial atmosphere

[crisp heath]

DAOT earth was the center of the galaxy, it too shoulda been a worldhive

[radiant shale]

the aftermath of the unification wars and the beginning of the great crusade stripped it of everything

[dusk patrol]

Because it got fucked up by warfare I guess.

It had hives and stuff

[radiant shale]

terra DOES have insanely massive hives though

or at least, one hive

[crisp heath]

Okay but where did all the debris go?

[radiant shale]

mars

[dusk patrol]

[crisp heath]

You’re telling me Terra was scoured clean and rebuilt into a worldhive?

It dumb

[radiant shale]

all of terra is not a hive

[crisp heath]

No?

[dusk patrol]

It wasn't scoured

[radiant shale]

I don't think there's anything on the new world side of terra anymore, but memory is hazy. I'm pretty sure the old south american superpower allied with horus and everything there is gone?

[dusk patrol]

Its just a lot was wasteland

There were major cities and hives

[radiant shale]

is there anything of note left standing thats not just the palace and the hive surrounding it?

[arctic talon]

Mountains

Sorta

[crisp heath]

it's one giant desert.

[delicate grove]

When you spend your entire brutally short lifespan serving the Emperor so that you can one day finally make the pilgrimage to Holy Terra only to find out its a bit of a shithole.

[storm jungle]

The best part is the characters talking about how grand Terra could be and not knowing the planet is just a polluted shithole tbh

[storm jungle]

Current Terra?

[radiant shale]

yeah current

[storm jungle]

Its basically a massive hiveworld

Imagine a grimdark coruscant but with extreme pollutin

[plush mason]

so can anyone tell what accent the fanatic voice has?

[radiant shale]

female fanatic?

space irish

[delicate grove]

I've just woke up in a FUCKING steamy mood yeah, 'CAUSE I LIVE IN A SHITHOLE, do you know what I mean? BIRMINGHAM HOLY TERRA IS A FUCKING SHITHOLE, I HATE THE FUCKING PLACE, I FUCKING HATE IT, IT'S FULL OF DICKHEADS AND I FUCKING HATE IT

[radiant shale]

at least your primarch Lion El Johnson isn't moonlighting as a club manager at the area's hottest gay bar

[plush mason]

i mean. even GW made a world in 40k in honor of how shit Birmingham is

[arctic talon]

"Birmingham is known as the Black Planet because it receives almost no visible light from its system's sun. As a result, the world receives few visitors from the wider Imperium, and its inhabitants have become linguistically and culturally isolated. Its technology is primitive and pre-industrial compared to the rest of the Imperium. For instance, the favoured weapon among the natives is still the black powder musket."

[copper cliff]

Eye of Terror is Ohio

[winter vessel]

So how would you describe Commorragh then?

[arctic talon]

Worst place imaginable if you aren’t in kabalite territory

If you’re in kabalite territory

It might be nice

If you’re part of a Kabal you live a comfy life

[winter vessel]

Y'know when I was first introduced into 40k lore I thought all 4 chaos factions were terrible, but then I realize they're just following their nature. Drukhari are just straight up Fuckboys.

[crimson dragon]

Nurgle is still better out of the four

[rose thorn]

All of the gods are kek as shit

The gods were born that way and are basically an unstoppable force. They are literally chaos, that’s all they are

All 4 types of chaos

Funny thing is, if you willingly join chaos, and you don’t resist, there is a solid chance you won’t be fucked up

You will mutate and loose your humanity eventually

But you get what you ask for

Hell in the realm of Slaanesh the circles probably are pretty nice ways to die

All things considered

A poor slave escaping to Slaanesh only to be crushed under all the gold and rubies in his pockets isn’t as bad as being fucking pulverized by space zombies

[delicate grove]

Some if them not so much. You'd only want to visit the six circles if you were a daemon prince really.

[rose thorn]

I’d say worse case, you are tortured to death, better then what half of the species have planned for you

Tzeentch you go crazy, being crazy and a genius is much better then being lobotomized

Or, your head explodes

I heard a joke that the biggest downside to khrone is that every kill you get the more and more you loose yourself.

But like

If you join khorne, I don’t think that’s a problem

[delicate grove]

Khorne worship literally deteriorates the mind yeah

[rose thorn]

Works with their battle strats

[delicate grove]

Just look at Kharn, can barely string more than 3 words together if that

(what a swell guy)

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah

But if you just want to murder

Then

Shrug

[delicate grove]

Average Khorne player wondering why you aren't laughing after screaming BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD LOL for the 800th time during a game

[rose thorn]

Lol

Nurgle is a hella flip of a coin

Heads, crazy and happy

Tails

[delicate grove]

Nurgle stinky and ugly and therefore I hate him almost as much as Khorne, maybe even more

Ugliness is an affront to Slaanesh

[rose thorn]

Being aware of how fucked up you are and all the death and destruction your presents bring while eternally suffering from dying and being reborn for all of eternity

[rose thorn]

I love AOS Slaanesh so much

Their faction is porbably my favorite in all of chaos

[delicate grove]

Melvins complaining that you can't make Slaanesh lore without it somehow revolving around sex when you redirect them to the Hedonites

[rose thorn]

THEY SRE SO COOL

‘I have spent literally decades practicing my blade, and I expect that if my ability fails for even a second, my ally will slay me for my imperfection’

Like

[delicate grove]

Yeah I wish I had the skill to kitbash bliss barb archers into 40k cultists

[rose thorn]

Literally the best models in AOS

[rose thorn]

Tbh you just need GSC acolytes and a good pair of clippers then you can hand swap anytning

I hate the noise marine kit so much I’m waiting until we get a new one for 40K

I have the Slaanesh start collecting. As I was expecting to play legion of teh first Prince in AOS

BUT now they aren’t a thing

[delicate grove]

Apparently Emperor's Children are the next traitor Legion army after the new World Eater release

[rose thorn]

Yeah 100%

[delicate grove]

Hopefully it isn't just

Emperor's children (2)

HQ - 1

Elite - 1

I'd go mental

[rose thorn]

Lmao don’t worry it’s gonna probably be pretty good

I expect like

[delicate grove]

I really hope we get a slaaneshi reskin if the basic chaos marines, I want that mix of extravagant fabulousness and BDSM gimp

[rose thorn]

Luc
Noise marine hq
Super melee chatacter
Slaanesh war singer
Something weird

Noise marines but more
Termnator noise marines
Sonic dread naughts

Noise cultists

I hope we get uhhhh

Palatine blades for 40K

My favorite HH dudes

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99590102148_EmperorsChildrenLegionPalatineSquad05.jpg

Weird it’s not sending

[rose thorn]

Yeah that’s what I hope for

[delicate grove]

Fabulous Bile and Lucius the Cunternal will likely get a model update I suspect too

[rose thorn]

Bile? Nah

He’s doing his own thing

I hope we get that guy who got his head cut off

But was fine because he recovered

[delicate grove]

I need to read up on EC lore tbh

[rose thorn]

Aka read the HH books

That’s all we got lmao

[delicate grove]

Typical

[rose thorn]

OH I havent seen the new emperors children audio drama

I don’t remember what it’s called

[delicate grove]

Of course it would be a fucking drama lmao

[rose thorn]

We have 2 audio dramas!

Raven guard have like 5 and they are all mid <3

I love raven guard

Shame we are

Meh

[winter vessel]

The only drama I need to hear regarding the Emperor's Children is Rylanor's Last Stand

[delicate grove]

"But Fablisimus, that was my evil twin, Phallusicus!"

[half ruin]

To be fair all raven guard are just meh

So it's right on point

[rose thorn]

They are amazing and cool ;~; they actually make sense are have a cool mix of tactical and tribalism

[half ruin]

I love fabulous though

He wants to save the EC from themselves

[rose thorn]

Lmao

No he just wants to cure his super cancer and be an evil scientist

[delicate grove]

He wants to make them more fabulous

[half ruin]

Well he also wants to save the ec from.the cruch of slannesh

He thinks chaos is lame while using chaos to make chaos less chaos

Dont think to hard

[rose thorn]

Well he’s the best chaos legion so

[delicate grove]

He should focus on more important things like incorporating the long flowing golden hair of Sanguinius into the EC geneseed

[half ruin]

Fulgrim would hate him even more if he used sanguinius hair instead of his lame sliver hair

And fulgrim realllly hates fabious

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH, do you think the new chaos guy is gonna get a new subfaction for CSM?

[half ruin]

You know the whole pure nonchaos clone of fulgrim and sold him.to a certain kelpomantic xenos

[rose thorn]

I don’t expect dark mechanicum to actually exist lmao

[half ruin]

Na hes the star of the dark mechanicum army

I bet that gonna be a hq

Na the weirdos who made toaster have sex with you is deff coming

[rose thorn]

We have gotten ntohing to actually say the dark mechanicum is coming

Just the guy

[half ruin]

Peggging toasters coming to a store near you

[delicate grove]

All we need is Dark Mech and a traitor Guard army and we can finally field PROPER chaos armies

[rose thorn]

Lmao yes

[half ruin]

I want iron warriors to get love but that's pipe dream

[rose thorn]

Also fuck me he is actually scary

His model is legit creepy

[half ruin]

I love it

Makes sense though the demon of demon engines

[rose thorn]

YEAH it says he formed an alliance with abbadon

Aka, agent of chaos

[delicate grove]

They don't worship Khorne or Nurgle so as far as GW cares they don't exist

[half ruin]

I'm aware of the joke of iron warriors

But I think it's so cool that they took chaos and made them into war machines

Also they kidnap demons to shove them into machines

[delicate grove]

Yeah they are pretty cool

[half ruin]

Boogeymen of the warp

Like all the demon engines are hinted at being made by the iron warriora

So just think of the shit they have that they didnt sell to the other factions

[plush mason]

i thought the dark mechanicum where the ones making most of the demon engines

[rose thorn]

At most, if there’s gonna be anytning dark admech it would be soup army rules that’s like ‘you can take admech and CSM in trh same army’

But I doubt it

[half ruin]

It's a mix of them both

They work hand and hand together

[plush mason]

makes sense

[mortal valve]

THE EMPEROR SAVES

[half ruin]

Scapecode virus, obliterater virus and the hellbrutes are the work of both dark mech and iron warriors

[delicate grove]

Corpse emperor doesn't do nothing cause he's dead.

[half ruin]

emperor cant even wipe his own butt, how do you think hes gonna save anything

[delicate grove]

Couldn't even save himself let alone you loyalist runts.

[winter vessel]

I still like to believe the tale that a lone guardsman, Ollanius Pius stood between Horus and the Emperor during the Siege of Terra. Before he got alt F4’d out of existence by the Warmaster.

[crimson dragon]

Still cannon for me

[winter vessel]

But do you believe that whole retcon of him being a perpetual and shit? Cause I don’t.

I feel like GW really shot themselves in the foot with a bolter doing that move.

[crimson dragon]

Who? The emperor?

[half ruin]

noo

dont ruin the chad guardsmen lore

dont make him a fucking perpetual

[crimson dragon]

Oh

[half ruin]

that guardsman had bigger balls then the fucking emperor

[crimson dragon]

Yes

[plush mason]

i mean. there is another account that says that whole event is nothing but propaganda made from a real event where a lone imperial army soldier held off a world eater champ during the heresy

[crimson dragon]

Theyre ruining the lore of a human sacrifice

[plush mason]

ngl i like that version as its a clear showing of what the remembrancers true role and function is

[winter vessel]

I just like the theme of how a common man stood in the face of death. For a brief moment a normal human stood taller than any gene enhanced warrior on that ship.

Chaos can put fear into any mortal, but I like to think Ollanius gave em a taste of what it feels like.

Chaos knew what fear was.

[dusk patrol]

The dude was never on the Vengeful Spirit anyways

I don’t think he was ever even killed by Horus

[plush mason]

ye thats the propaganda version

also it just doesnt make sense for him to have been there at all

[dusk patrol]

Well it’s not even propoganda

The propoganda version he just takes a bullet for the Emperor

[plush mason]

no i mean there is a version of that story that states the whole event was made by a remembrancer

who took an actual event from the horus heresy and glorified it

[plush mason]

what is the actual text of that version?

[dusk patrol]

It’s in an old White Dwarf, basically it’s just a legend of a dude who took a round for the Emperor during fighting in the palace

[delicate grove]

Finally got me heavy stubber.

Lovin' it.

[crimson dragon]

I need to get me one

What level?

[dusk patrol]

I got mine level 20

[hallow phoenix]

can someone explain "Karking" the vets seem to use it as a curse word?
Is it to do with some big war?

[prisma lark]

I think it's just a common swear, like "fething"

[boreal vale]

man i am listening through the devastation of baal audiobook and this is pretty goddamn rad.

i've mostly read guardsmen books and stuff up to this point, gaunts ghosts and the cain books, and a few one-offs

but hrm, turns out i might in fact like space marines, concerning

[barren fjord]

he was not a normal man, he was a Perpetual.

[bright thunder]

hello, i know nothing about w40k lore, where should i start?

[delicate grove]

First you must understand, there are no good guys, especially the Imperium.

Secondly, find something you think sounds or looks cool, start researching it.

[copper cliff]

Get a peer reviewed study together

Create a thesis statement

Make an argument with primary source analysis

[minor lance]

Tuska Daemonkilla.

It's the happiest ending to any WH40K character, and it'll give you a good idea of 2 things:

• How that is widely considering the happiest ending to a character
• WHO DA BEST GITZ ARE. DAS ROIGHT. WE IZ. DA BOYZ ARE THE MEANEST AND DA GREENEST. WAAAAAAAGH!!

[celest dome]

The only good guys are narrative plot hook to dhow how bad/evil the IoM and other major factions are when they destroy them

[spring lava]

Just got into it a year ago and have read about 20 books so far, so don't know a whole ton. Loved Helsreach for my first audiobook. Perfect grimdark setting.

[barren tapir]

It is weird that Fatshark did such a poor job with the accatran pattern... It goes against every lore we have about it

[copper cliff]

By being automatic? Feels like that would be a weirdly specific observation.

[dusk patrol]

Well to be fair gameplay will always matter more.

Force weapons should be cleaving through everything in one shot like it’s nothing too but it’s a game still.

[copper cliff]

Most of the weapons have a set design philosophy to differentiate from other weapons cause if force sword did that it would just be a power sword reskin.

[true sentinel]

Every Warhammer world has its own word for “fuck”.

Tanith says “feth” for example.

“Kark” is this world’s I guess

[barren tapir]

Yes, i was expecting it to be similar to kantrael pattern, but with more mobility since, you know, bullpup, but it is just a recoiless auto lasgun with very low damage... But in lore they are meant to have shoots powerful enough that you don't need to use many, and it is shipped nearly exclusively to troops (elysians) that are know to not waste shoots

[copper cliff]

Kark I think is just British slang

[barren tapir]

Maybe you were referencing power weapons, not force...

[dusk patrol]

Force weapons are better than power weapons

[copper cliff]

The explanation is probably just firing modes that lorewise all the guns have but gameplay wise need to be different.

[dusk patrol]

Or should be anyways in lore

[true sentinel]

Google search reveals no real world use of kark

[copper cliff]

Its used in star wars too pretty sure

[dusk patrol]

There’s several examples of power weapons not being able to pierce an enemy or substance so they have the groups Psyker use their force weapon to do it.

Sword in the case I’m referring to mostly.

[barren tapir]

Nope, force weapons are weapons that let psyker channel their power with them, power weapons are weapons with a field that shred stuff

[copper cliff]

Yeah kark/karking is also slang in star wars

[dusk patrol]

Yes and? They’re better than power weapons.

They cut through stuff better

I’m aware of what both are

[celest dome]

They are better, but you need the right stuff to power it

[copper cliff]

I'm gonna need a peer reviewed source

[dusk patrol]

Yes, you need a Psyker

[celest dome]

Like a Psyker is better of with a Force Sword than a Power Sword if you have enough power

But if youdon't, then a Power Sword is better

[dusk patrol]

Steve Parker Talon Squad short story is one

I believe it’s called Buried

[copper cliff]

Also force sword goes up down. And power sword goes side to side so its just different utility.

[barren tapir]

They aren't, they are different, but they aren't superior... They have their uses, and most importantly, they can only be fully used by psykers

[dusk patrol]

Force weapons are superior at cutting, which is what was being talked about

[barren tapir]

They are not

[copper cliff]

You can probably test in psykanium the actual damage output of either weapon against a crusher. Force sword probably hits harder but power sword just has better horse clear cause of its moveset

[dusk patrol]

I’m not talking how the game works, I’m saying in lore they technically should

But it’s a game so you know

It’s not gonna be like that

[copper cliff]

Yeah I'm saying it would just be a power sword if it was doing the same moveset

[barren tapir]

In the lore it depend mostly on the psyker wielding them, and they are at least comparable to power weapons

[dusk patrol]

Ok so you just don’t know what you’re talking about then.

They’re comparable, but force weapons are better

[barren tapir]

I know what i'm talking about, you seems to miss some pieces though

[dusk patrol]

The one exception being anti-warp devices or things

[celest dome]

That is if you are a powerful enough Psyker, which we aren't that powerful (Like we're not weak, but not that strong

[dusk patrol]

They’re typically just normal blades without a Psyker

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure it matters to some extent but I’ve never seen it matter that much

[full bane]

Well crafted mono-blades without a Psyker using them, at least the common ones are.

[dusk patrol]

Not to mention our power weapons in the game are pretty low quality also

[copper cliff]

What if there was a Force Power Sword

[barren tapir]

Force weapons are advanced, psychically-attuned close combat weapons that are only fully effective in the hands of a psyker. The name of the weapon derived from the word "the force" — common term for psyching energy and its use. Force weapons effectively act as deadly, psychic extensions of the wielder's own powers. They are designed to allow a psyker to channel deadly warp energies into their victim, acting as a conduit between the wielder's mind and the flesh of his target.

[dusk patrol]

Since they have to be activated in combat

[full bane]

But in the hands of a Psyker they're at the same levels of cutting as a power weapon at minimum.

[dusk patrol]

Often times better

[barren tapir]

Power weapons are a type of advanced hand-to-hand combat weapon taking several forms but utilising the same basic technological principles. When activated the blade of the weapon becomes sheathed in a field of energy which disrupts solid matter, allowing the weapon to easily tear through armour, including even Terminator Armour.

[dusk patrol]

In fact

I can’t think of a single case of them not being

I can think of several of the opposite though

[copper cliff]

They seem to just function fundamentally different so are they even comparable?

[dusk patrol]

Typically they’re just treated like that

[copper cliff]

Seems just as likely to cause a horde to explode as to cleave through them

[dusk patrol]

But there’s multiple cases of the force weapons being shown to cut better through things power weapons could not

[barren tapir]

No, not really, but some people want to do so anyway...

[copper cliff]

If its "an extension of the wielders power" or whatever thats just being slapped by the warp which can do a lot of different things

[dusk patrol]

In the case I’m thinking, a Dreadnought with a power claw can’t pierce a Tyranid carapace

But the Psyker with his force sword can

Same with lightning claws and a power axe I believe.

[barren tapir]

One thing that force weapons are definitely better than power ones is against warp entities

[dusk patrol]

This wasn’t a warp entity

[celest dome]

Was it the same Tyr and one stricking armour and the other less armoured parts ?

[dusk patrol]

Same nid

Same part of the body

They couldn’t pierce any part of it with anything else

[barren tapir]

So, two different power weapons have different capabilities?

[celest dome]

Then it's mostly settled

[dusk patrol]

How about this

Find me an excerpt of a power weapon being better than a force sword

[barren tapir]

Lighting claws are power weapons

[full bane]

They do function differently, but the argument being made is that if we were to stick to the lore completely, then Force Weapons should have equal or better armor penetration and cleave than power weapons.

[copper cliff]

But the question is do they not?

[barren tapir]

I don't need to, i'm not saying one is better than the other, you are, find you one excerpt that say that force weapons cut better... I always stated they are comparable and on the same level

[copper cliff]

Like you'd have to do tests with a similar force sword and power sword against the psykanium crusher or mauler to know for sure

[celest dome]

Force is able to do thing that a Power Weapon wouldn't
So it is more versatile in the hands of a Psyker, so for a Psyker, it's better, but for a not Psyker person, it's better to take the Power Weapon

[copper cliff]

Force sword just feels like a staff but pointy

[celest dome]

We aren't speaking of ingame

And you know it

[dusk patrol]

My initial point was the game is a game at the end of the day

[copper cliff]

We actually are because this whole conversation started because they mentioned in-game it didn't cleave as well

[dusk patrol]

Dude

Read what I said

[copper cliff]

I'm not arguing with you chill

[dusk patrol]

I said basically “it’s a game so sometimes lore accuracy will come at a cost of gameplay”

Which is fine

[barren tapir]

@dusk patrol since you seems to not know what a lighting claw is here:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lightning_Claw

[dusk patrol]

And good

[copper cliff]

I'm saying it might not actually be different in terms of lore but you'd need to test

[dusk patrol]

@barren tapir read what I said again please

I said “a power claw and lightning claw couldn’t pierce something that a force sword could”

A Dreadnought power claw no less

May have been a power fist I’ll have to find the book

[copper cliff]

Terminators and dreadnought are overrated

[dusk patrol]

The explicit point of the story was they only had the force sword to cut through the carapace of the nid, everything else failed. Master crafted power weapons btw.

[barren tapir]

Aaaahh, you were saying this as both couldn't, i read it as you comparing these two as one being capable to and one not

[celest dome]

I read this as both couldn't as it didn't make sense to compare the 2 for the discussion

[copper cliff]

Actually that makes me think

[dusk patrol]

Anyways all this aside

[copper cliff]

Was this force sword being better or force sword not being adapted to by the nids?

[barren tapir]

Wait, i think there is a case where a nid can be pierced by a force weapons where a power weapon cannot... Zoanthropes... Those floaty psychic abominations

[dusk patrol]

My point was just that gameplay is gonna trump lore depictions sometimes

Although mostly they’ve done a great job

Ogryn staggering everything and everyone with every weapon is really great

[barren tapir]

Nothing to say about that, it is an obvious thing, but i still find it weird since Fatshark do quite a good job at being lore friendly

[copper cliff]

Tyranids adapt against tactics and technology but the warp is different so it might just be a cause of niche utility.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s a little odd I’ll agree but it do be like it do

[barren tapir]

They adapt to the warp too... Never heard of hive fleet kronos?

[full bane]

Force Sword being better for the most part, they're generally equal in terms of cutting power as long as a Psyker is holding them (in the tabletop they have the same AP as their Power Weapon counterparts), and you can then channel more power into them to mess things up more.

[copper cliff]

Yeah so at baseline they're probably as good as power swords

And then can go even further beyond!

[dusk patrol]

Generally speaking in lore they’re treated as super similar, but when push comes to shove they’re better in almost every depiction I can think of.

But effectively most authors just treat them as psyker power sword

[copper cliff]

Power sword is a super saiyan and force sword is a super saiyan god

[arctic talon]

Fighting a blank with them prolly sucks

[full bane]

Outside of when you're in the presence of a blank or fighting khornate stuff.

[dusk patrol]

See the battle of Lions Gate

[full bane]

Then you've got a very sharp, masterwork sword.

[dusk patrol]

Poor Grey Knights had to fight daemons next to Sisters of silence

[copper cliff]

A sword is still a sword

[dusk patrol]

Its also a hammer

[barren tapir]

And it stop being a sword because it gets dull it is still a piece of metal to bonk stuff with

[copper cliff]

What I'm most flabbergasted by is how catachan sword got away in development with being just a worse version of the power sword. The parry feels almost useless in comparison.

[full bane]

Can't remember which book but there was a scene I recall with a Thousand Sons Sorc dual wielding a power and force sword and when facing hounds of khorne he only used the Power blade.

[copper cliff]

When you've forgotten that the sword. Is also a sword. 😔

[dusk patrol]

Probably Sanakht if I had to guess

[celest dome]

Using any Psyker power against a Hound of Khorne would be foolish

[winter depot]

Did you guys know there was a half eldar/human who became an astropath and then chief librarian for the Ultramarines?

[dusk patrol]

I know that happened decades before most of this server was born and has been non canon for longer

[winter depot]

Perhaps, but it is funny.

[dusk patrol]

And back then Marines were basically just dudes with armor

The augments weren’t a part of it yet

[winter depot]

I am still going to start bringing him up to the guy I know who always claims the old lore is better than the new lore.

My man Illiyan Nastase should never be forgotten.

[celest dome]

certain part of the old lore is good, other are bad, it#s only natural

[dusk patrol]

I would say that part of old lore is not good

And is forgotten or only brought up as “hahaha” trivia for a reason

He’s just a peg below Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau

[crisp heath]

Lore stopped being good when they dropped any pretense of 40k being silly af

[dusk patrol]

Well fortunately the overwhelming success and mass market for the media and lore since then seems to speak again that.

[crisp heath]

cope

[dusk patrol]

Most sci fi universes are silly as fuck

I don’t need to my guy

[storm jungle]

He has appeared in a new book

[dusk patrol]

I’m stuck here with endless good books and media to enjoy

[storm jungle]

but hes a full on eldar now thank god

[dusk patrol]

While you’re stuck being a stick in the mud about it

[storm jungle]

Its still silly af tho

[dusk patrol]

[winter depot]

Imperial propaganda.

[storm jungle]

Cope

[dusk patrol]

Like if you want sillier books just read Infinite and the Divine

[winter depot]

[storm jungle]

As an elf-fan ill say half-elves are a boring concept

get em outta here

[dusk patrol]

Or Brutally Cunnin

[winter depot]

wait what

Oh, this is great.

[celest dome]

Half anything human is boring

[winter depot]

Genestealers are rad.

[celest dome]

Where's my Half Halfling/Goliath

[winter depot]

Genestealer cult is best cult.

[dusk patrol]

the Ad Mech will remember that

[winter depot]

Anyone else have any insane things like those two from first edition for me to look up? Warhammer just became a bit more magical.

[celest dome]

As if we are half human anymore, like eight human would be more accurate

[dusk patrol]

Anything by Ian Watson

[celest dome]

Wrong channel and gold

[dusk patrol]

A Tech Priest can dream at least

[halcyon acorn]

ty

[dusk patrol]

I’m always confused by what part of #40k-lore-chat makes people skip over #theorycrafting and #gameplay-help to come in and ask about gameplay

[winter depot]

Dark AdMech's new daemon is neat.

[storm jungle]

I genuinely dont get the point of any "half-race" ngl

i feel like its pretty much just a lazy excuse for a tragic backstory or "I get half the powers of this faction's race"

like okay

[winter depot]

They want to ask the cool kids.

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it is but I get it

It’s like Deathwatch

For the “I can’t pick one chapter so I want all of them” player

[winter depot]

Makes folks feel cool and special. Like, why be a boring human when you can also be half dragon, half demon, and half ork?

[plush mason]

and or stupid bakcstories

[dusk patrol]

It has become taboo it feels like in roleplaying games though

Which I’m ok with

[winter depot]

Eh, I don't mind folks having special backstories. How they play the character now is more important.

[dusk patrol]

It’s like how everyone makes their chapter come from traitor stock, it’s just a way to try to make them cool and edgy with no work

[winter depot]

If your character is half ork in 40k though, better be a bloody genestealer.

[dusk patrol]

It can work don’t get me wrong

[storm jungle]

OOF harsh but true

[dusk patrol]

And I say that as a Deathwatch fanatic

Love em

[winter depot]

I do feel like I have ran into an odd amount of loyalist Luna Wolves in 40k.

Thought the point of Istaavan was to make less of them.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s just people wanting to add flavor

[plush mason]

it did afaik

[dusk patrol]

Do be how it do

[full bane]

I also can't pick special weapons and want all of them :P

[winter depot]

Magnets

[dusk patrol]

Also I want new special weapons only I get

But I mean, who can say no to this beauty?

[plush mason]

wtf is that

[dusk patrol]

It’s got front deployment ramps!

Corvus Blackstar

Deathwatch dropship

And it’s fuck sexy as hell

[full bane]

Is it really a Deathwatch army if every other marine isn't carrying a special gun.

[dusk patrol]

That’s what I love about DW

You put a ton of love and care into every single model and it’s encouraged

[full bane]

Sure it isn't effective tabletop wise, but they're all going to have gonzo loadouts.

[dusk patrol]

They work better in a Kt format though imo

[full bane]

When they first came out as their own codex, you could even have a guy dual wielding a boltgun and combat shotgun. That was fun. Ammo types for days.

[full bane]

As they should

[dusk patrol]

Honestly it feels weird when they mass deploy or seeing large formations

It does happen in lore

But it still feels weird

[crisp heath]

they feel a lot more natural in kill team

oh you already said that

lol

[dusk patrol]

But I will say

It does look cool

[winter depot]

I liked the old mission you could run where an Inquisitor army tries to both force a Black Templar group to reveal they have too many troops and then get out of there before they all die.

[celest dome]

Weren't the Deathwatch invented to let people roleplay as any of the SM chapter legionnaires for a roleplay game ?
To give a reason for why all those would work together

Kinda like AoS has Soulbound or something

[dusk patrol]

Basically from what I understand

[celest dome]

Which make people from the different faction work together

[dusk patrol]

It was a way to let people just pick all chapters

Or more

Plus it’s cheap to make

Just some upgrade sprues at the time for marines

[celest dome]

So it's not really like Half elf and the sort

[dusk patrol]

No I’m more referring to just “special snowflake” stuff

[crisp heath]

no we lose objective secured for mixing armies which is the stupidest shit

[plush mason]

so does the DW have an equivalent of chaptermaster?

[crisp heath]

which is weird cuz in aos the actively encourage you to mix and match armies that can work together

[dusk patrol]

Watchmaster

[celest dome]

Not exactly
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Deathwatch_Watch_Master

But they do the same ish stuff

[full bane]

Not quite, the RPG came out ten years after the Deathwatch first get introduced in the lore.

[winter depot]

I'm just sad I cannot run my hybrid Thousand Sons n Beaky Daemons force without losing everything that makes them special.

[dusk patrol]

Watch Fortresses vary a lot and have undisclosed amounts of marines apart of them.

[winter depot]

They're both Tzeench technically, darn it.

[celest dome]

That's suprising in some ways

[full bane]

They were invented as a way to assign Marines with Inquisitors.

Part of the Inquisitor specialist game.

[arctic talon]

You can have up to 25% of your list be daemons iirc as thousand sons

Or rather

25% of your points

[winter depot]

True. If I throw Magnus in there, kind of balances it out.

[full bane]

I think Gav Thorpe talked about it in one of the articles or on his social at some point. Something about needing to represent Space Marines in a 54mm scale game about Inquisitorial warbands.

[arctic talon]

As long as it’s only 25% daemons

[winter depot]

Might nab that TS holiday box.

[arctic talon]

You get to keep the thousand sons stuff

It’s like the angron meme list

[winter depot]

Sounds good to me. Going to get that library card.

[arctic talon]

Based on point leaks

Which is

Angron + 2 lord of skulls

[full bane]

They were also supposed to be for the Xenos Hunters codex... but that never happened lol

[arctic talon]

• skarbrand and some blood thirsters

[winter depot]

That would be amazing

[arctic talon]

Aren’t jokaero still in the grey knights codex lol

Nvm

They got moved into the inquisition supplement

[winter depot]

Reminds me a bit of the guy I know who is going to bring a warhound titan to the 2k for-fun tourney.

Lad's going to kill Abbadon this time. XD

[arctic talon]

Dog walker abbadon is a funny list

[celest dome]

He better come disguised as Creed

[crisp heath]

NGL, I am incredibly excited for the World Eaters Codex, just to know what my angy heretic marines have been doing.

I've been wanting to make a diorama of World Eaters/Daemons vs. Imperial Guard/Ultramarines detachment for a LONG time.

[meager zinc]

I wish the was a cheaper way to play tabletop 40k. I was thinking of just printing some paper armies and putting them on stands, but my local shop didnt seem too cool with the idea 😦

[tawny nymph]

Okay this is gonna sound like trolling but I’m 100% serious on this. Has the emperor ever canonically burped? Don’t ask why but it’s the topic of an argument atm

[dusk patrol]

No

[arctic talon]

No

[dusk patrol]

He probably has at some point

But canonically?

No

[arctic talon]

But he’s prolly lactose intolerant lol

[chrome otter]

The new models look really good, definitely excited for berzerkers that don’t make me cry when I build them

[crisp heath]

Ebay is king for getting models my dude. I got an entire Ork Army (like 6000 models) for like... 500 bucks.

Get a tub, fill it with simple green cleaner 1:1 ratio with water, and boom, strips the paint off.

[dusk patrol]

Jesse stop

Jesse we need to cook

[meager zinc]

He has to have burped once. Especially before he took over earth.

[arctic talon]

Memth

[dusk patrol]

Waltuh

[chrome otter]

Jesse we need to cook primarchs Jesse

[crisp heath]

All them psykers, some of them probably don't go down easy for daddy emps.

[meager zinc]

But thats the thing, im more interested in playing the game than painting the army and just putting any chunk of money into it.

[crisp heath]

still ebay; buy them painted, ezpz.

[chrome otter]

On the topic of World Eaters, the Eightbound models are really neat, but imo the coolest new release are the Jakhals

Silly little mortal buddies for the WE

Goofy little chainsaw fanatics, even

[meager zinc]

Well anyways, the emperor was just like a powerful strong dude before he started taking Terra turf right? So he was prolly fartin n burpin with the best of him

Especially with the thunder warriors

[full bane]

Gotta do it with friends, when I first started playing 40k back in school, I had the rulebook, a couple of squads, and every other unit in our 1k point games was cut out from scrap paper with a rock glued to it.

[meager zinc]

Those guys prolly were gas machines after they ate

[celest dome]

They don't get any ranged weapon at all do they ?

[chrome otter]

To quote the WarCom article

These cultists are only slightly less deranged than their masters, and favour sheer brutality over tactical niceties such as “guns”.

Not sure if they’ll actually be any good on the tabletop but they look like fun models to paint

[atomic pelican]

CSM cultists are rlly good so theyll probably have a place

[celest dome]

Do the WE get guns ?

Like Space Marines WE

Because it sound like it should be reversed, otherwise there are more brutal than their masters

Like the fact that they are less deranged than their master make it so that they don't use guns

[arctic talon]

Only pistols

And pistols can be fired in cqb

They also can take 2 melees

[celest dome]

So like, the WE SM eschew guns most of the time, but the Cultist are less deranged and use guns less ?

[arctic talon]

They’re slightly less deranged

And probably less good at actually aiming

Memes aside khornate berserkers are very good shots

It’s why kharn has a plasma pistol

He domes people with the damn thing

[celest dome]

Yes, but give them autoguns, those can be used in volley and don't require as much aiming as Plasma Pistols

[arctic talon]

Berserkers?

Or cultists

Because cultists suck ass at shooting already

An insane cultist hopped up on stims

Is gona be even worse at aiming

Also the world eaters might encourage melee combat from their cultists

To see if any can become potential recruits

[celest dome]

But don't they need to be young to be potential recruits ?

[arctic talon]

No

The world eaters

Figured out a process

[celest dome]

Or do they not have the same problem as the Loyalist SM

[arctic talon]

During the HH

specifically the world eaters have a way of doing it

They have some of the best apothecaries out of every chaos legion

And they’re just as violent as a normal khornate

Memes aside the world eaters can think critically

Even if it’s difficult at times in combat

[autumn panther]

Are las cannons delicate or could a very angry and well paid ogryn wield one

[crisp heath]

is a mortar a delicate piece of machinery?

[autumn panther]

I mean in the sense of could he beat people over the head with it

Cause if you tried that shit with a lucius pattern you'd wreck it

[celest dome]

Gunlugger can use them

Really depend on the individual pattern

[autumn panther]

Fair enough

I imagine you could get a las cannon designed to be swung around alot

[celest dome]

Basically

They aren't more brittle than Autoguns

[dusk patrol]

Typically they’re not used by them but I mean

It could happen

[dusk knot]

You’d need to carry a power pack along with it

[dusk patrol]

They could load cells into it

It would probably function like a Spartan Laser more or less

[celest dome]

Or just give them those Hellgun backpack, but even larger

Maybe having a faster firerate and damage than the Reaper gun

But you have to manage heat

[dusk patrol]

That’s a multilaser

[celest dome]

Though seeing Ogryn players, I'd guess they would overheat all the time

[dusk patrol]

A lascannon is basically always one powerful piercing blast

Or slower rof at least

Multilas is more of what you’re describing

Lots of pew

[celest dome]

Oh right, lascannon is semi automatic only

Could have both in fairness ?

[dusk patrol]

I expect if we do get a Gun Luggar they’ll add a bunch of stuff

[celest dome]

Like same weapon but different pattern

[dusk patrol]

Heavy Bolter

Autocannon

Maybe a rocket launcher

Or missile launcher or whatever

[autumn panther]

hell yes

[broken zenith]

I'd like to see lascutters

[mossy mortar]

https://youtu.be/m8iotbByqUA

[mossy mortar]

That would be more of a hotshot volleygun as opposed to a hellgun

Hellgun should have better armor penetration than regular lasgun at the cost of less range

Maybe by giving it iron sights and a bunch of aim sway

And make the ROF slow

But give it penetration so you can shoot through a poxwalker

[sterile stirrup]

Who wants to help edit the fandom wiki woo : )

[dusk patrol]

That’s a Sisyphean task if ever I’ve heard of one

[rustic spruce]

the wiki's held together by the same tape that hold the imperium together

[sterile stirrup]

Currently uploading concept art. Trying to figure out formatting

[rustic spruce]

whatever happened to the Ogryn Charonites

[dusk patrol]

They stopped making them more or less

They were made during the Heresy to help Imperial Army elements deal with marines

Heresy ended and they stopped mostly

Probably too expensive and unstable to use consistently after

[rustic spruce]

is that genius of an ogryn Nork Deddog still alive

[storm jungle]

Yeah.

Hes too forgettable for the writers to ever kill

[delicate pagoda]

i like the dialogue in game about him

Despite bugs and such, i think everyone can agree that the representation of the weaponry and environments is 10/10.

Only issue i have is power weapons only being active some of the time

[dusk patrol]

It’s how lower grade power weapons are depicted in lore

They can’t always have the power field up in combat so they have to use them in bursts

Be fun if we could have some which are always active but you know

Is game

[plush mason]

plus i doubt a bunch of convicts will be given high grade power weapons. or even low ranking inquisitorial acolytes for that matter

[delicate pagoda]

That is a good point

HOWEVER

why do some of them say "master crafted"

[delicate pagoda]

I mean, i agree. but at the same time, the psyker has force weapons.

[vocal leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzZ3K1LeCs

new part came out

[dusk patrol]

False advertising and good branding?

[glass barn]

anyone know if a wiki is available?

[lunar iron]

i love those videos

[hushed kayak]

lexicanum is somewhat accurate, but there are parts that’s not updated towards todays story.

[rustic spruce]

is the god emperor being the reincarnation of all the Neolithic shamans still canon

[storm jungle]

It hasn't been explicitly retconned but it also hasn't been mentioned in a long time, and there are many things that contradict it. What they've done now is make the Emperor's origin deliberately vague and contradictory. He's old enough that no ones quite sure where he came from, and he's not telling.

[hollow lantern]

👋 hey buddy. Longtime no see.

[dusk patrol]

Sup nerd

[hollow lantern]

Enjoying my extended vacation from the greater warhammer sphere, but Darktide has been nice

[dusk patrol]

I have been enjoying it too

[hollow lantern]

I'm sure you have

[tired plover]

hey all, i’m new here. is 40K in the same timeline as Fantasy?

or End Times?

[storm jungle]

Nope not connected

seperate universes

[nova terrace]

There used to be some crossover hints but all that got wiped, lizardmen contacting eldar, or wizards with guns

[exotic mica]

I believe the only thing that stays consistent is some of the greater demons of the various deities

And of course said deities themselves

[plush mason]

iirc Skarbrand has different weapons in fantasy than he does in 40k

or he may not

[exotic mica]

That’s true. But I guess what I’m saying is he’s been across multiple universes and done all those things in those places

[plush mason]

yeah the demons are like the only real bridge between the 2 settings of warhammer

[storm jungle]

Yeah and thats mostly due to not making people buy daemon models again if they play chaos

otherwise theres not really that many connections aside from a wink or two which has been entirely dropped after the End Times

[terse void]

Well, the Eldar/elves lore are pretty much the same story with same gods.

[storm jungle]

Its not

40k only recycles like 3-4 members from the High Elf pantheon for the Eldar, otherwise pretty much like 30 of them are missing

[plush mason]

lol

[hearty basin]

Is there any place to track total kills? The achievements tracks to 40k, but no way beyond that?

[near viper]

ok so why do guarsmen wear amor if the armor doesnt do shit

[eager loom]

the bolters in game are actually smaller than the stuff that the space marines use yes?

[plush mason]

its flak armor. so its slightly better than nothing

just like real world flak armor

[atomic pelican]

It works well against what ur average guardsman deals with

[plush mason]

ye

[atomic pelican]

Which is poorly armed cultists or rebellions

Also hey, maybe It'll save you from shrapnel or such in a battle against something more dangerous

[eager loom]

the armor isn't for the enemy its for when a war engine takes a step and launches debris everywhere

[ashen shoal]

I mean realistically the kind of equipment that would protect them from ork weapons or the like is just way too expensive to be mass-issued

and nothing outside of weird DAoT tech is going to protect you from power weapons

[atomic pelican]

Carapace or human sized power armor, but yeah its too costy for mass mobilization

[ashen shoal]

yeah like maybe you could give that out to the most elite of the elite regiments like Kasrkin or something, but otherwise it'd either be wasted on them, or just overkill for what they'd be facing

on the subject of elite regiments, I hope we get lucifer blacks cosmetics for veteran

doesn't get much more elite than becoming personal guards for the Imperial Palace

[plush mason]

do we even have art or minis for those guys?

[ashen shoal]

not yet, we just know that they're wearing all black body armor with visored helmets

[plush mason]

that is not a lot of info to go on if FS wants to make a skin for them

[ashen shoal]

I mean I don't think there's a lot to go off of for a lot of the architecture and machinery of the game. Someone's got to make it at some point, and it's not like GW doesn't have heavy involvement in clearing what is good to ship or not in terms of being lore friendly, they could work something out if they wanted to

[waxen condor]

does it feel good to look at the astronomican when ur in space OnStar mode as a nav?

like it must feel pretty good right

[severe trout]

I imagine it's a laser aimed directly into your retinas screaming at you to "TURN LEFT HERE"

[bitter steppe]

Is it possible for warp powers to be a color other than purple in canon? I wanna draw my seer’s powers golden so he can be twinsies with his beloved.

[verbal coral]

Warp colors are usually something that defies explanation but in the books they describe it a few ways

Nurgle stuff is green, elemental powers are their usual colors in nature, emperor stuff is usually golden

[bitter steppe]

Right, ye. Makes sense. I might just go “screw canon” and do it Ork style. If he believes it works, it works lol

[verbal coral]

Basically in canon its whatever you want lol

What color is the warp? Well it's unlight

A sickly glow or a radiating warmth

[full bane]

Sometimes warpflame is a sickly green, sometimes it's a scintillating unholy mess of colors that defies explanation, sometimes it's neon pink

[coral latch]

I mostly picture it as purple and pinks with alittle white mixed in

[delicate pagoda]

I've always pictured it as octarine as described by Terry Pratchett

[verbal coral]

I think of it as something like an oil spill

Just more fractal and moving

[delicate pagoda]

Thats very close to how i've always pictured octarine. Totally agree

[hollow sigil]

Octarine is Green but also purple at the same time.

[delicate pagoda]

myees

[hollow sigil]

If you've ever gotten migraines and seen the white glowing spots in your vision that also works.

[delicate pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-anakin-skywalker-jedi-jedi-master-clone-wars-gif-24886988

[celest dome]

In theory, could you use a Hunting lance on foot ?

Like using it as a normal weapon/spear

[normal stream]

Sure, why not?

[celest dome]

But special attack would be the grenade strike, and to reload it you consume a grenade

[half ruin]

I mean in machete universe theres a lady who has a crank minigun leg so why not spear

[dry epoch]

Migraine psychedelia is something else. Also if you get ocular migraines: all the craziness without the actual pain.

[hollow sigil]

I get the ones where you feel like taking a powerdrill to your temples.

[dry epoch]

I am familiar with these. Fortunately they’re rare, but you have my sympathy.

[hollow sigil]

eh. it sucks, you live with it

[tidal dome]

So. An important but somewhat heretical question.

Are chaos infestations a thing exactly because Imperium is so imperfect in their move towards their goal of long term survival?

Once you have disease-ridden slums of banished and depressed where nobody lives beyond 20 due to lung cancer, nurgle cult will become a thing, fueled by the dying breath of diseased and poverty-stricken.

Once you have an order of people to whom war is not a means but a goal (SOB, I am looking at you) - Khorne rubs his hands, for it's his territory. War not for purpose. War for war. Hatred for hatred. Blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne (God, that line is so beautiful)

When your bureucratic machine is so complicated and inefficient that manipulating it in non-expected ways is pretty much a modus operandi, using it's flaws and weaknesses just to keep it from falling apart - this is Tzeench land.

And when 0.0000001% have all the wealth of all the others so they can do whatever the hell they want in whatever the quantities they want to do by just moving a pinky toe - Slaanesh lies in waiting.

Like you know... increasing the entropy tenfold as a part of your effort of fighting it, causing a perpetual loop.

I wonder if it came to anyone's head apart from the big E and how did they go about doing something about it.

[dusk patrol]

Yes and no

Like, there's not a lot of questions which can be answered in 40k by "Yes this is true all of the time"

Sometimes the Imperium itself causes its problems

Sometimes its just chaos

sometimes its xenos

Sometimes its a mix of all three.

Sometimes its other stuff.

Guilliman makes a point now to try to rise people up from the squalor when he can because of that point though.

[tidal dome]

Well, turns out a chat with his dad was helpful in more ways than one.

[craggy oar]

If I were to ask for more lore around the Thunder Hammer…would that be a dumb question? Lol

[severe trout]

Okay I gotta gush about the modeling of the boltgun in game. You'll notice you re-rack it every time you take it out - it's because it's open-bolt! If you inspect the gun on the side you can see there's not a round in the chamber when it's racked. The reason you have to re-rack it every time is because your character closes the bolt before putting it away! Open-bolt guns are prone to accidental misfiring if the bolt is open and it gets hit, so your guy is closing it so you dont blow your leg off. If you inspect the gun you'll notice you close the bolt before moving it around, super neat detail!

[lapis isle]

I'm not sure if there's a tonne, but the Thunder hammers designed for humans and not Astartes are specifically called 'lathe pattern' thunder hammers. The others are far too heavy/cusmbersome for mere mortals

[craggy oar]

Ok gotcha now that makes sense, I honestly didn’t think humans could use them but it makes me happy to know that they have their own model

[celest dome]

Power Hammer are the Thunder Hammer but for Human.

[undone jackal]

do the scab gunners have hotshot lasguns (with the backpack)? and why can't my Veteran also have one 🙂

[celest dome]

Because it's most likely gonna be a dlc/update for it

With a Stormtrooper Class for the Vet or something

[undone jackal]

that sounds cool as hel

[lapis isle]

power hammer is different from a thunder hammer

[celest dome]

Depend on the edition

currently Thunder Hammer are just Power Hammer for SM

[crisp heath]

Yes

[dusky turret]

I have a question: what is the likelihood of enemy psykers? If so, what might they do?

Particularly, what unique thing could they do?

[peak mulch]

IIRC for one every ship needs a navigator which isn't really a combat role but with the heretics they deal a lot with the warp and I would think it's pretty common to find psykers granted they wouldn't be extremely powerful like an astartes librarian but they could still do a number of thing be it allowing warp spawn to pass into the material realm, conjure fire or lightning. I feel like the powers of the warp are limited by the imagination and the mental willpower of the psyker

^sauce I've read 40 of the HH books so far and some of the Gaunts Ghost series

[dusky turret]

I am just surprised psykers are not an enemy role at the moment.

[proven holly]

except you can literally see the bolt close and it clearly fires from a closed bolt if judging just from the in game model

i just slowed down footage to verify i wasnt making shit up, cause the reracking has bothered me to no end

pretty sure in lore theres no mention of open v closed, but thats likely because its a tabletop game

I played a lot of DoW 1/2 though, and the bolt pistols of the commissar were also definitely closed bolt, for what its worth (creative liberties, perhaps)

[proven holly]

It also wouldn't explain the burst fire to semi fire from ADS without any sort of fire control that i can tell, but perhaps i missed it

ofc the SM bolters are gene coded, so one could argue it has a machine spirit and its giving it this function, but to my understanding mass pattern bolters do not have a machine spirit

meanwhile all lasguns do have a machine spirit

[celest dome]

Daemonhost were in the codes during the last beta

[proven holly]

It also fired immediately upon "trigger" (mouse) press/click, indicating a closed bolt action again, unless the bolt is slamming home near the speed of light, as theres little if any delay in primer activation after trigger press

we could calculate this just for the sake of the argument if desired...but you see where its going

tl;dr the racking indeed shouldn't occur each times you pull the weapon as is

it would either need to have model alterations to reinforce open bolt, or animation alterations to save most people's sanity

if we get down to the reality, though, the animation clearly seems to be due to weapon balance. if you notice, all the heavy hitters have a long draw animation or swap time. if its purely for weapon balance (not a pvp game so this sparks an interesting conversation since we have no scoreboards...lol) then adding a false animation for the sake of filler to elongate the draw time seems odd as well

of course im sure all this will be refined in time, just as v2 launched with all kinds of nonsense that was eventually fine combed and corrected

[plush mason]

"we are the good guys i promise"

[dusky turret]

I mean, in a world where a single dude can end up causing a warp invasion... Yeah, intolerance would be the norm. Whether that is good or not is sadly a stance of perspective.

[plush mason]

always is

[celest dome]

Then again even in our world, you still need to be somewhat intolerant, to protect tolerance from those that would use it to do things that are not great

[plush mason]

treating intolerance with intolerance is often the only effective way to keep it in check

for nothing changes peoples' minds faster than being force fed their own medicine

[cosmic cedar]

is there a way to change my characters looks? if not will there be at launch?

[unborn gust]

I would assume at launch. Cause the barber exists currently

[cosmic cedar]

barber? so i cant at least change the hair? ^^

[unborn gust]

It was a bug at beta launch. You could walk up to the barber and the message would identify the entity as the barber. But the text was unfinished and error coded

But there is some sort of barbershop

So I’ll continue to believe theres a barber until hedge comes in here and proves me wrong

[clever steppe]

Are gene stealer cults like the dead space unitoligists?

[barren tapir]

It is called surgeon barber... Or something similar... Alas, wrong channel to ask such things

[plush mason]

40k has a weird name for surgeons but yeah its a barber surgeon so we should be able to change more than just hair

[tepid silo]

chiurgeon lol

[plush mason]

yeah its weird

[vagrant niche]

not really all and all the unitoligists are still just a cult of people. the gene stealers use a combo of psyker powers and im pretty sure some form of chemical space science to turn people into the cultists/hybrids

[foggy vigil]

i am the #1 psyker to manage the fucking monster penance

[dusk patrol]

Someone got it on the subreddit yesterday, but that’s really sick

[crisp heath]

How did you get that black armor??

[foggy vigil]

the psyker challenge

[dusk patrol]

Kill a monster with brain bursts

[crisp heath]

The easiest one with a team that doesnt touch him

[crisp heath]

Good job for completing that one cheif

[proven holly]

they also seduce and procreate with the most attractive of a member species and also let off pheromones of a sort that lures people to be seduced by the hybrid abominations

they all end up in an acid pool once the fleet arrives, if they're lucky

The Imperium would not grant them such mercy of chemical bliss. Exterminatus is in order.

Burn the heretic! Kill the mutant! Purge the Unclean!

[proven holly]

its suggested "attractive" in this context refers to both the most physically appealing but also the people controlling the levers of power, thus usurping the entire ruling order, status quo, and culture simultaneously until enough people have secretly been converted that they no longer have need to hide. As its population grows, it's collective psychic might also grows, acting as a beacon to a hive fleet that the world is ripe for the taking.

Generally they are only thwarted when caught early, otherwise planet glassing or near planetary purge is the norm

space marines are not as common as stories would have you believe, and thus if a world doesnt host a chapter in the sector, or happen to have one passing through, chances are theyre screwed (unless they are a world of strategic importance of some sort, ie forge worlds)

They'll notice the billions of deaths in a few years/decades when they fail to pay their imperial tithes

tl;dr
in the grim darkness of the far future, the government still only cares about whether or not you paid your taxes

Just about spot on

to a painful degree

[arctic talon]

And if you don’t pay your taxes

They’ll kill your family

And you

[proven holly]

well

[arctic talon]

And prolly most of the city

Depending on why you didn’t pay your taxes

[proven holly]

theyll probably assassinate the governor and install an opposition party that promises to pay their tithe

presuming they cant be swayed with words

but they generally only ask once

[arctic talon]

They don’t need to install an opposition party

Just ask

If they don’t comply

Kill/replace the govner

Simple as that

[proven holly]

thats how it is

[arctic talon]

Worst case scenario

You need to purge a bunch of nobles

Er

Worst case you’d need to invade the planet

But still

[proven holly]

but most worlds are overtly authoritatian as they dont care what you do so long as you meet your tithe obligations

so worlds not meeting the tithe is not well documented presuming it exists in any notable amount

[arctic talon]

Ye

[proven holly]

plus the tithe is generally in troops but can be in world specific resources

[arctic talon]

Troops, resources, industrial output

[proven holly]

ie agriworlds for food, feudal worlds for manpower, forgeworlds for equipment or tech

[arctic talon]

Those are the 3 big things

[proven holly]

ye

[arctic talon]

Hive worlds do everything but food

Agriworlds do manpower and food

Mining worlds do resources + manpower

[proven holly]

worlds with a hive city are complicated as they are generally all named so they essentially fill a role similiar to named characters with plot armor

[arctic talon]

Lol true

[proven holly]

so they may host a rogue trader hub

that might be relevant in its own right

but ya

not to mention the various "heretics" that are commonly found in hive cities

only dubbed so via the inquisition but not worshippers of chaos, ie technobarbs/technogangers

lot of them have been allowed to.....skirt the law as they provide an under the table service for the inquisition or the astra militarum

generally the former, rarely the latter directly

inquisition can do whatever it wants though so....absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that xD

only other inquisitors can question their actions unless you count the lords of terra, and they rarely do anything unless the plot demands it

[storm jungle]

Custodians can slap them around and do whatever they want too

and Inquisitors arent untouchable

its entirely dependant on their influence

[proven holly]

legally they are

but you right

[storm jungle]

you cant come around showing that badge everywhere

its like a DEA agent coming into the mansion of a drug cartel's boss and wanting to arrest him, that wont end well

[proven holly]

most SM chapters give the inquisition hell enough

a custodian would be lol

[storm jungle]

It has happened more than once

it basically ends with

"Do you feel in charge."

https://tenor.com/view/bane-the-dark-knight-rises-tom-hardy-do-you-feel-in-charge-gif-21913675

[proven holly]

ya

[storm jungle]

yeah

that will get your skull slapped off

[proven holly]

ur dea agent example is spot on

[storm jungle]

yeee

[proven holly]

like.....ok they have the law

but....do they have the power...

[dusk knot]

"stop this is the police"
"no fuck off"

[storm jungle]

KEK

and yeah like inquisitors are only powerful when they got shit to back them up

otherwise you are more or so a private-detective most of the time

[proven holly]

well dont get it twisted thats only if looking at it top down at an institutional level

there are single inquisitors that can hold their own with SMs

[storm jungle]

Its entirely dependant.

[proven holly]

granted theyre augmented to all hell and wielding both heretical and alien artefacts

[dusk knot]

what dictates what support an inquisitor gets

[storm jungle]

as said before their influence

[proven holly]

what theyve done

^

[dusk knot]

fair enough

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors are also made with an RPG mindset in mind

[proven holly]

a fish inquisitor aint gettin no where

[storm jungle]

they can range from losers to badasses and in-between

[crisp heath]

And power armor, and shields

[dusk knot]

;-;

[proven holly]

but named inquisitors have plot armor that have done some pretty insane shit

[dusk patrol]

The Imperium is a political machine

[proven holly]

plus they can call on the minotaurs to run over other space marine chapters

plus the inquisition daemonhunters

[dusk patrol]

That’s the High Lords

Inquisition has the Red Hunters and Grey Knights

[proven holly]

the high lords do very little plot wise tho
its basically, inquisitor tattletell told me u bad

go hit him

ok

[tidal yacht]

Can someone explain me the intro cinematic, what happens when they fly through the warp? Why are soldiers consumed by chaos and why they survive that?

[dusk patrol]

The Minotaurs are explicitly a chapter who answer directly to the high lords

[proven holly]

lookup gellar fields @tidal yacht

[dusk patrol]

And no one else

[storm jungle]

They arent consumed

its more the gellar field not being great and affecting the guardsman

[tidal yacht]

gellar fields I can read in a wiki?

[storm jungle]

Yes

with your eyes

[dusk patrol]

It’s how warp travel works

People often see things

[proven holly]

alternate dimension

bad things there

[tidal yacht]

So cool

[dusk patrol]

The Gellar field only does so much

[proven holly]

dont recommend

[dusk knot]

they're strapped in to stop them hurting themselves or others

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gellar_field

[dusk patrol]

And if it’s a bad warp storm then you can easily see “ghosts” or other apparitions

Or just have bad dreams

[barren tapir]

The best depiction i saw of warp travel was with the webseries of a group of guards that end up as acolytes

[crisp heath]

TLDR it’s an anti demon shield for when you have to fly through literal hell

[proven holly]

OR

[dusk patrol]

It’s pretty common m, especially post Great Rift

[proven holly]

suddenly find our youre a latent psychic

wake up to a bolter to your head

[crisp heath]

Do cellar fields prevent terminators from teleporting into your ship

[tidal yacht]

thanks so much for sending me a link Dilara

[crisp heath]

Gellar*

[proven holly]

and get shipped to terra and be sacrificed to the golden throne to keep daddy E alive 1 more day along with 999 other sacrifices!

[storm jungle]

No worries.

Always remember that lexicanum is your friend, any question you got can be answered there.

[proven holly]

yay!

[dusk patrol]

I’m not sure shields often do

[storm jungle]

Yeah the gellar field is for demons not people

[dusk patrol]

It kinda depends on the circumstances

[plush mason]

so are Ogryn not able to count their own fingers?

[crisp heath]

Shields probably don’t tbh

[proven holly]

no only warp entities

[dusk patrol]

Typically no they’re aren’t

[proven holly]

void shields

[storm jungle]

terminator teleportation can only fuck up if the teleporter itself messes up

[proven holly]

prevent TP

[dusk patrol]

Ogryns are like, combat smarts

They don’t do well with strategy or maths and shit

[proven holly]

and some TP can penetrate void shields when imbued with alien tech

[storm jungle]

Thats mostly done for comedic effect.

[crisp heath]

Good shields aren’t dimensional barriers like gellar fields are

[proven holly]

ie super ancient termie armor or golden age stuff

[crisp heath]

Void*

[crisp heath]

According to the deep lore every human is a latent Psyker it’s just a question of wether or not their powers actually manifest

[dusk patrol]

That’s what 40k shields are

[proven holly]

in this context no

but technically youre correct

in regards to the "soul" in the warp

[dusk patrol]

Most 40k shields are void shields with a few exceptions

[crisp heath]

Most ship based shields are

[proven holly]

but in regards to having any real psychic power, not often

and not able to be manifested

[dusk patrol]

Most smaller scale ones are too until you get like, personal shield level

[crisp heath]

Infantry shields aren’t really void shields, hell even vehicle shields typically aren’t void shields unless you’re titans

[dusk patrol]

And even those can be void shields

[tender pine]

What about chaos terminators

[dusk patrol]

They are

[proven holly]

unlike orks (collectively and channeled through a weirdboy) or eldar (all individually immensely warp gifted, and after slaneshes soul raping, are eternally slaves to the soulstone xD)

[plush mason]

ok so that is why you can sometimes see them trying to count their fingers in the valk on the way to a mission. got it

[crisp heath]

Refractor fields and stuff aren’t void shields

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly for comedy more than anything else.

[crisp heath]

Same with the iron halo

[crisp heath]

Knife ears need shiny rock

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but refractor fields are typically just on the smallest scale

[crisp heath]

Yeah, infantry scale

[dusk patrol]

And even then there are personal defense void shields

[proven holly]

technically not true, theres a few void varients for heavy infantry

[dusk patrol]

Although they’re not common

[proven holly]

and iron halos work on similiar principle

[crisp heath]

They aren’t common at all, most personal shields aren’t void shields

[proven holly]

but like a guardsman aint running around shielded u right

its be on a termie

[tidal yacht]

I also would like to find out more about the woman who seems to be the Commander of the ship or a general?

[dusk patrol]

But my point is outside of the smallest scale at infantry level most shields in the Imperium are void shields

[crisp heath]

Even termies don’t use void shields I’ve never heard of even cataphracti terminators using void shields

[proven holly]

tau make much use of plasma shields

[dusk patrol]

They’re rare tech but they do exist

[proven holly]

the imperium has used similiar tech, but i dont think its been explicitly stated to be plasma tho

[dusk patrol]

Tend to be an Ad Mech thing

[proven holly]

also my physics brain goes in overdrive attempting to imagine "plasma shielding" for much of anything, but secondary argument

[crisp heath]

The imperium has a few different kinds of shields and void shields generally aren’t used as personal shields

[tender pine]

Most likely an inquisitor

[crisp heath]

Force fields for example

[dusk patrol]

I know but I’m just talking shields in general

Most shields in the Imperium are void shields

Most shields are also macro scale

[proven holly]

this is the infantry varient via iron halo and rosarius

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Conversion_Field

[dusk patrol]

Personal defense shields are uncommon

[storm jungle]

At the moment we don't know yet, most people assume shes a rogue trader helping the Inquisitor out, otherwise hard to tell.

[proven holly]

if you look at how theyre described, its immensely similiar
one shunts energy into the warp, the other into electromagnetic energy

[crisp heath]

Most macro level shields in the imperium are void shields yes, most personal level energy shields are not void shields

[tender pine]

There's the theory plasma sheilds bake whoever is inside

[dusk patrol]

She’s not an Inquisitor

Hedge confirmed she’s a Shipmistress at least

Which is

[crisp heath]

Conversion fields, refractor fields, force shields, iron halos

[dusk patrol]

Vague

[crisp heath]

Displacer fields

[proven holly]

i dont think anyone is arguing that theres a ton of shielded infantry tho

[dusk patrol]

Yes I know there’s other shields

My only point was, for like the sixth time

Most shields are void shields in the Imperium

[proven holly]

most shielded things are shielded by void shields even if you count infantry

the relics and such are quite rare

and most shielded things that weve been exposed to via game or book tend to be SM tech

and SM shielding is usually void as well

[dusk patrol]

Personal defense shields are some of the rarest tech in the Imperium

[proven holly]

outside maybe force commander halo or chaplain rosarius etc

plus its 40k

if you have faith your shield is a void shield

and you convince a group of orcs your shield is a void shield

its a void shield

[dusk patrol]

Not really how it works outside of memes

But it’s a moot point

My only point was just that void shielding is the most common shields for Imperium shielding

Since personal shields are so rare

[tidal yacht]

@storm jungle Interesting thanks. I am AoS fan but I am considering diving deeper into 40K lore. I love it ❤️ 😄

[proven holly]

technically it....could work functionally like that
but the reality would probably be that theyd believe your shield is super and therefore would be unable to penetrate it

and whether that be due to a lack of effort or warp power could be debated.....xD

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah my bad, I’m only trying to point out that personal energy shields generally are not void shields

Even sm shielding

[proven holly]

ya i think flaming buffalo thought we were saying everyone is void shielded

[dusk patrol]

I thought I was pretty clear that void personal defense shields are rare as hell

[crisp heath]

I know that nearly everything big is void shielded

[proven holly]

theres smol ones too, but obv more rare

and by small i mean terminator

so...small?

still like a car

[crisp heath]

Yeah small personal void shields are the ones I’m saying are super rare

I’ve personally never read about even terminators using void shields

[proven holly]

its almost as rare as terminators themselves vs marines

[crisp heath]

Maybe the inner circle would have them

[proven holly]

no i think its literally 1 dude

ill have to find it

[dusk patrol]

I’ve only read of a couple Ad Mech dudes using personal void shields

[proven holly]

it was a veteran of a specific chapter using golden age tech

[dusk patrol]

And one was the leader of a Skitarii escort for a major Titan Legio

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Admech usually have refractor fields + bionics

to endure damage

and usually its just bionics

[plush mason]

dont the ecclesiarchy use refractor shields that are made to have a golden aura?

[arctic talon]

Yes but they're rare

only given to high ranking individuals

and important ones