House Raven it was
#40k-lore-chat
vapid tiger
Yeah on the tt the disciples of belakor are word bearers
Similar to how skulltaker's chaos marine followers are world eaters
lunar notch
Real old lore said they don't, but they clearly do. I always chalked it up to the Bongs who wrote that bit of lore knowing nothing about guns. Also the absolutely heinous combibolter with the mag near the front of the barrel.
vapid tiger
lost scarab
KHORNE HAS BLESSED ME WITH HIS WRATH AND I WILL DELIVER IT!
vapid tiger
KHORNE HAS BLESSED ME WITH HIS WRATH AND I WILL DELIVER IT!
Khorne is a bottom.
lunar notch
More like Halfaart
lost scarab
WORDS ARE WEAK, I SHALL REWRITE YOUR CRIES IN BLOOD!
lunar notch
š¬ļø
lost scarab
KHORNE WILL HAVE BLOOD, YOURS OR THEIRS!
crisp heath
lunar notch
KHORNE WILL HAVE BLOOD, YOURS OR THEIRS!
Khorne will have his own blood?
lost scarab
YOU THINK A CHAOS GOD BLEEDS?
rose thorn
Yeah lmao
lunar notch
Yes
lost scarab
ALL ARE BENEATH THE MIGHTY KHORNE'S BRASS BOOTS.
rose thorn
Counter argument, isnāt nurgle winning the great game atm?
lost scarab
...The tithe of blood grows ever closer. Only the strongest will inherit the ashes of the Galaxy.
The garden shall burn.
It's putrid stench flammable, ignited in Khorne's MIGHTY GLORY!
lost scarab
Khorne cares not for whom spills blood, little one.
Only that it is spilt.
All feed the mighty Blood God.
rose thorn
Yeah but
Gulliman my guy
lost scarab
crisp heath
I think he had a heart attack
rose thorn
Also congrats on Angron
lost scarab
Blood for the Blood God. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD. BLUUUDDDDDDD FOORRRRRRR THAAAAAA BLUUUUUDDDDD GAAAAAWWWWDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Thank-you, I love him so much)
Behold a sexy God of Blood.
I cannot wait to dunk hours into this absolute Adonis.
rose thorn
I donāt like the wings tbh but everything fucking needs wings now a days
rose thorn
Primarch
lost scarab
All except... Skaarbrand of course.
rose thorn
lost scarab
But he needs no wings, he is a mighty battering ram.
A literal absolute unit in TW:WH3
rose thorn
Yeah but he betrayed khorne
lost scarab
But he now feeds Khorne eternally more than before.
Seeking redemption, only to fuel his god in denied faith.
Khorne is mighty and wise not to of killed him outright.
But sullied the beast.
rose thorn
Tbh I just play Belakor/daemons undivided, chaos is funner when they work together
lost scarab
But razing everything and denying your enemies supplies so Khorne can have skulls!?
BEAUTY!
rose thorn
And Belakor is hotāØ
tired umbra
I bet Belakor is a good kisser
rose thorn
Belakor more like Bae-lakor
vapid tiger
I bet Belakor is a good kisser
Long tongue
vapid tiger
now see I'm hot so I'm nowhere near as down bad as y'all are
rose thorn
khrone gave belakor the body of a blood thirster, tzeentch granted him unmatched magic, nrugle gave him the blade of shadows, and slaanesh made him hot as hell
lost scarab
DO NOT SPEAK OF THE TREACHEROUS SHADOW.
WITHOUT A BODY, HE IS BUT A FRAIL WHISPER OF AIR WITHIN THE EYE OF KHORNE'S INFERNAL WRATHSTORM.
rose thorn
im just syaing, 3 gods is more powerful thne one, belakor would still be the most powerful servant of chaos if khorne backs out.
despite being tricked, the 4 gods now have a full grasp on belakor and nows he working off all the bullshit he put them through
lost scarab
Like the pawn he is.
rose thorn
nah more like a knight chess terms
lost scarab
True servants of Khorne bask in the blood of battle, not in vanity or conceited narcissism.
Bel'akor deserves more than his punishment, but Khorne benefits from his conquests.
rose thorn
lmao like khrone has any control over his servants anyway
lost scarab
Bel'akor is no better than the hedonistic weaklings of Slaanesh.
Khorne need not control us.
rose thorn
the only reason he has leadership is because he has the biggest sword
rose thorn
like damn at least slaanesh daemons like slaanesh
lost scarab
YOU THINK I DO NOT LIKE KHORNE?
lost scarab
Skaarbrand is no champion of Khorne.
rose thorn
Kharn the betrayer fucking hates khrone lmao
rose thorn
I mean what the fuck else is he gonna do
rose thorn
Oh yeah doesnt khrone kidnap wizards to build thier shit?
kidnap more like insalve
inslave
lost scarab
Enslave.
rose thorn
Oh, enslave thats how thats spelt
lost scarab
Yes.
rose thorn
OH YEAH DAEMON CODEX HYPE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
lost scarab
WORLD EATERS HYPE!
rose thorn
my 2000 points of chaos undivided can finally be used in 40k
lost scarab
RED BUTCHERS, ANGRON, BERZERKER KITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT FROM 1998.
rose thorn
FUckng hope they make new noise marine kits
the old shitty ones are always out of stock and look like assssssssssssss
lost scarab
Paaaah, Slaaneshi filth.
(In all honesty though, the guitar guy is way too flamboyent and the sonic weapons don't fit shit anymore)
rose thorn
THE SONIC WEAPONS ARE SOO ASSS, THE GUITAR GUY IS 1 FUCKING MODELL
when i guy him im just gonna run him as a CL
lost scarab
I hate slaanesh, but noise marines are BIS
rose thorn
I hope palatine blades make a come back
lost scarab
-shrug- Not much of a lore interest in emperors children
rose thorn
yeah GW doesnt have interest either
lost scarab
I only really know the fulgrim's lore, sonic weapons and lucius.
tired umbra
Slaanesh IMO has the biggest potential to be cool and interesting. But most of the time it's just "LET US SNORT MEGA COCAINE MY BROTHERS!"
rose thorn
Slaanesh IMO has the biggest potential to be cool and interesting. But most of t...
I KNOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
lost scarab
I mean they could make art of corpses
rose thorn
have you listened to Perfection
lost scarab
and other macabre
rose thorn
They make an art of everything
rose thorn
Every step every strike is like a brush on canvas
A colorful fury of steel and crimson
with a choir of screams and suffering
thats what i love about EC
The beauty in the horrors of bloodshed
lost scarab
Ah, so you are American.
Bloodshed should be for the sake of it, brutal, wrath-sullied, carnage inducing.
SENSELESS KILLING AND SKULLS TO ADORN THE TRUE THRONE OF A GOD.
MARTIAL PROWESS IN STRENGTH AND BATTLE, NOT OF ONE'S OWN AVARICE.
(Right, I'm going to go digest more lore and sleep. Thanks for the chat, have a good one)
deep skiff
do you think rifle grenade can kill a space marine? i would say yes
does rifle grenade exist in 40k?
crisp heath
There would definitely be something similar used by the imperial guard thatās for sure.
As for it being able to kill a space marine that is highly debatable in my opinion.
If the grenade was able to pierce the armor it would have to hit somewhere around the chest or head to have a chance to kill him. Remember a space marine can be bisected in half and the guy will still crawl after you.
vapid tiger
do you think rifle grenade can kill a space marine? i would say yes
Can they kill tanks?
crisp heath
Some can
vapid tiger
If they can then yes
crisp heath
Just depends on the tank
vapid tiger
And even if they can't and have the potency of a frag grenade, you hit a marine in the head with it and pop
deep skiff
they can pierce 35mm of armor
crisp heath
And even if they can't and have the potency of a frag grenade, you hit a marine ...
Well I donāt think anyone has that good of an aim
vapid tiger
they can pierce 35mm of armor
Yeah that can fuck a marine
Like a krak grenade
Even in brothers of the snake the marines start getting fucked when they encounter anti armor weapons
deep skiff
even the frag grenade pierce 35mm the at one pierce 36mm
crisp heath
I wonder what those kinds of weapons would do to terminator armor.
vapid tiger
And these rifle grenades explode on impact
crisp heath
They are the āstrongestā suits of armor. In the imperium
vapid tiger
Marines usually can survive frag grenade explosions due to frag grenades relying on shrapnel
crisp heath
Marines usually can survive frag grenade explosions due to frag grenades relying...
Donāt their wounds clot extremely fast?
vapid tiger
A direct hit is yeesh tho
vapid tiger
Donāt their wounds clot extremely fast?
Yes
So in addition to marines having power armor they can't really bleed to death
Unless you rip one in half
crisp heath
Space Hulk Deathwing in a nutshell
crisp heath
Always
grizzled grove
hmm, do other alien races (besides tau, since they're fresh off the block) have the same level of technological stagnation that the imperium does? if not, why shouldn't they have already krumped them in an arms race?
vapid tiger
Orks do not. Ork tech in many cases outclasses imperial tech
As for eldar in general and necrons, they have no need to improve their tech, so they don't
grizzled grove
Orks do not. Ork tech in many cases outclasses imperial tech
hahahhaaha, great
green iz best
vapid tiger
There's a short story where an ork mek makes what is basically an arc reactor out of spare shit in his garage
thick ridge
This rifle grenade has a .... "lot" of punch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l9HAddfsSw
aiming is ... meh
vapid tiger
Motherfucker made a renewable and infinite source of energy in the time it takes someone to make a pipe gun
grizzled grove
As for eldar in general and necrons, they have no need to improve their tech, so...
wait, not even after 10,000 years?
vapid tiger
wait, not even after 10,000 years?
Yeah
They've had little need to improve
They have everything they need to essentially live without labor
And counter any threat they find during war
And that's for eldar, necron tech is indistinguishable from magic to the point that necrons think of warp stuff as parlor tricks
because necrons are both terrifying and hilarious
atomic pelican
Yeee
Eldar tech, if anything, has degraded to an extent
From the days of the empire
Its still better than most, but the Aeldari are unable to utilize their full psychic potential because of Slaanesh atm
And most of their greatest tech is psychic in nature
If you want a example of a unshackled Aeldari, see Solitaires and their bullshit
LMAO
storm jungle
Yeah also like, while Imperials starve and cannibalise each other even the smallest eldar ship that has a crew of 6 has automated farms for you to grow food in
atomic pelican
Most of the old tech is buried in croneworlds or in the belly of Commoragh, unusable
Or upon some Craftworld vault
atomic pelican
Fireheart moment
wind flicker
Yeah also like, while Imperials starve and cannibalise each other even the small...
Fully automed luxury eldar space hydroponics
rose thorn
What 40K species would be best for emotional support
Like the your insurance pays them to follow you around and give you emotional support so you have a panic attack
rose thorn
Idk why but Iād like an eldar to follow me around
storm jungle
What 40K species would be best for emotional support
Sslyth probably
big snake mercs that are good cuddlers and will take care of me as long as I pay them š
final spruce
Psyker cat I guess
lunar notch
I am a bit weak on my Xenos. Are there any species out there that use Alcubierre drives? T'au don't, Eldar/Dark Eldar don't, Humans don't. Nids and Orks obviously don't.
woven sandal
What's an Alcubierre drive?
I'm pretty sure that everyone besides Necrons and Eldar use the warp, and Necrons don't use something nearly so basic.
I looked it up.
It's when you compress space in front of your ship and expand it behind you.
lunar notch
Correct.
woven sandal
Like space surfing.
woven sandal
It'd probably be kinda in fluff for Orks.
Although why they wouldn't do warp stuff I don't know.
lunar notch
I haven't read up on what new Squat lore there is and I know it hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, but I could see them using it if they have STCs. I really doubt that Age of Technology space expansionism used Warp tech.
errant pike
nah
vapid tiger
he slices you in half
errant pike
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barren tapir
Hello and welcome
fallow wing
This friend you speak of what is he
HH era psyker-powered battle bot, which is completely new and WUT to me as well š¤
fickle sedge
@barren tapir thank you
That is something new to me
The hh Era psyket powered battle bots
I see a bolter on its back so I assume it's with the imperium of man
storm jungle
Its a thousand sons robot that they can tap into puppeteer it if things get dire
mostly since they got a lot of psykers
fallow wing
very illegal, very heretical apparently lol
storm jungle
Its pretty much just the same the robots the Imperium used back then lol
fickle sedge
Yeah also I am quite new to Warhammer 40k
storm jungle
just has a "can control through psychic powers if needed" feature
fickle sedge
Like 4 months into it
fallow wing
yeah they only show up in Inferno, when Prospero is getting wrecked; s'probably why i completely forgot about them
vapid tiger
i am going to buy
10 of them.
also the hh 2.0 liber hereticus implies they're actually a very early form of daemon engine
fallow wing
well, forgotten until GW makes a giant expensive model of it
fickle sedge
fallow wing
also the hh 2.0 liber hereticus implies they're actually a very early form of da...
makes sense
fickle sedge
i am going to buy
10 of them.
Sorry this gif was meant for you and I was late
shadow plover
it was written to be made as a expensive unit pretty sure
vapid tiger
Sorry this gif was meant for you and I was late
about three fiddy
storm jungle
it was written to be made as a expensive unit pretty sure
Capitalismā¢ļø
vapid tiger
considering i will buy recasts
fallow wing
this is why i don't bother with the tabletop lol too expensive š©
vapid tiger
it was written to be made as a expensive unit pretty sure
you just summarized all warhammer lore
shadow plover
yees
vapid tiger
Congratulations
fickle sedge
Fucking ledgend
shadow plover
I wish recasts were the quality they advertise but they rarely are so I'll just buy from FW
vapid tiger
there is one guy i will not link who makes recasts that are high quality
you just gotta know where to look
shadow plover
I've got a couple recasts and they're decent but I want the best I can get so I'm willing to pay
grizzled grove
hmm, how does chaos corruption work? does it require active worship or direct exposure to chaos related thingamajigs, or does the whole "even base emotions can cause daemons!" meme have some truth to it?
I think there was one place in the lore that was responsible enough with Chaos that they had a daemonic artifact in a museum and suffered no problems from it
shadow plover
doesn't require active worship no
barren tapir
It work as the plot require it to work
rose thorn
^ literally this, I hate it but itās the only real answer to this question
tender igloo
final spruce
"Anyone who happens to already inhabit these hotly-contested worlds are out of luck ā existing civilisations and ecosystems are a much lower priority than beating rivals to the punch."
So DRG is literally canon in LoV terms and the Votanns are willing to invade a planet for its resources
Now, finally interesting tidbits
final spruce
Yeah capitalistic to a fault
shadow plover
yee
final spruce
I'm just a bit saddened that their Holds aren't far-future dystopian enough https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/uwO1BmDshGuKUNs8-846x577.jpg
It looks good, shows that they are industry and trade oriented
Maybe I expected more lights etc
shadow plover
ye I guess, the art is good though
final spruce
Definitely is, I think I just gave myself a wrong image of the LoV, bit too grimdark compared to what they are intended to be
sacred lark
Space moves around it.
my understanding of "The Warp" is that a ship will open a literal portal to hell, put gellar shields up to deter the daemons that live there, move through "The Warp" where time and space are completely different than our understanding of it, and open a new portal to the materium that corresponds to where they want to go.
it's not Star Trek style warp drive
lunar notch
Yes, I'm aware, that's why I was asking if anyone used an Alcubierre drive rather than the sail method like the T'au, the Warp like most everyone, or Dark Elf/Eldar methods.
sacred lark
maybe in the dark age of technology
but the emperor decided that a "Space wizard" based transportation method was the way to go
the nids do something different, maybe use the warp in their own way or something completely different
"shadow in the warp" and all that
vapid tiger
"40k was never satire"
"The Cthonian Mining Guilds are particularly powerful, embodying the belligerent acquisitiveness of the Kin. Fearless in the cause of locating, securing, and harvesting resources for their race, the Cthonians think nothing of braving environments so extreme that even other Kin would baulk at their hazards"
The leagues decided to mine cthonia after the imperium killed it what
wind flicker
"40k was never satire"
sorry I cant hear you over my steampunk airship with the sails made out of skin
proper helm
"The Cthonian Mining Guilds are particularly powerful, embodying the belligerent...
Wait really?
storm jungle
The leagues decided to mine cthonia after the imperium killed it what
Nah i think uh
They fucking forgot, its the name of Horus' planet
and used it as a name for their faction title instead with the IRL myth tie-in
vapid tiger
Wait really?
Read what dilara said
plush mason
the real question is. when do the egg suits make a comeback?
final spruce
They have, now they are the starcraft ones
plush mason
damnit GW
tawdry escarp
storm jungle
Basically they arent and they'd look like amalgamated freaks
another channel did a pretty good video on it too iirc
plush mason
Basically they arent and they'd look like amalgamated freaks
which is how they looked in the old art and lore
GW prettied them up when they started selling so well and became the front runners
wind flicker
Give me my gaunt ugly halo mfers
slender orchid
? The surgeon basically says they are almost possible based on modern tech, then emphasizes repeatedly that with the advances of 30,000+ years definitely
distant parcel
The biggest problem he pointed out was actually getting the new organs from nothing, not the implantation or actually making them
slender orchid
So light years away from anything we can do, but effectively would need to make the progenoid gestate/bud like a fertilized egg
A zygote naturally develops into a fetus. If a progenoid in suspension budded or grew the other organs, then you could suspend them independently it would work.
Supposedly a progenoid is a kind of Primarch germ cell, overwriting the host DNA. So hypothetically with magic future tech it could do both
storm jungle
Literally every space marine biology thing is made by english guys that skim-read some medical books in the 80's
I really wouldn't read too much into its "realism"
it doesnt go beyond "This sounds cool, lets make their organs do that"
wind flicker
most of its doable, but with better bioediting than we have
wind flicker
halo did it.
better
honestly
space marines is just
if it fails they die
not
hormone wash creates horrific monstrosities that are then killed
wind flicker
the writing of spartans getting their cemented bones is still horrifying
vapid tiger
https://youtu.be/Xl6xKGAUsA0?t=1215
V nice
vapid tiger
the writing of spartans getting their cemented bones is still horrifying
The halo fanbase is equally horrible
"GRAHHHH THIS ISN'T A MAGNUM LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE"
wind flicker
Halo lorenerds and halo players are different hemispheres
vapid tiger
True
wind flicker
lore nerds are the end of ghosts of onyx, and players are contact harvest cov intro
hushed kayak
the writing of spartans getting their cemented bones is still horrifying
dear god, the way it was explained was disgusting. Even seeing the Fall of Reach made it worst.
tender igloo
halo also did it without really trying to be
hushed kayak
After decades of reading Halo books, iād say halo has more darker moments from what iāve been reading up to. Sure Warhammer, is up there too. But jesus reading shadow of intent
tender igloo
the fact the spartans were also created to be a military death squad to crush human rebellions that got co-opted into being the best fighters against the covenant will also forever be interesting to me
hushed kayak
just imagine youāre super soldier alien, whose family was killed by the flood during high charity. With being lied that the elites led them here. Realizing the truth that they didnāt, and you couldāve saved them if it wasnāt for your shitty boss
lunar notch
The intro to... Halo 5? I think it was (never played it) was very interesting to me. You had the Spartan IV dispatching Covenant like they were in a Marvel movie and then it hard cuts to the Spartan 2s doing an operation where they had to take over a ship and they are all extremely clinical, even using modern spec ops stuff like stacking up and breaching and are just clearly there to do some wet work and be professionals.
hushed kayak
The intro to... Halo 5? I think it was (never played it) was very interesting to...
a lot of people were annoyed by that intro, it didnāt felt halo. Halo Infinite intro was amazing
tender igloo
i also like how even though Dr. Halsey is a horrible monster who kidnapped and experimented on children, they didn't make her completely heartless and cruel unlike in the Halo tv show where she may as well be a cartoon villain.
hushed kayak
we donāt talk about the show
first 2 episodes were amazing, after that it went hell. The action was okay, but the story? NOPE
tender igloo
master cheeks
lunar notch
I disagree. I understood what they were doing with it. They were showing the Spartan IVs as people who just so happened to get all sorts of combat upgrades and treated the situation as a sort of power fantasy. The 2s on the other hand don't even know what that is. It's been bred out of them. They are just perfect soldiers who do things as the best soldiers would. Real G's move in silence and violence.
This is backed up in that cutscene with Halsey mocking the Spartan IVs who have her under guard and don't even know who she is.
vapid tiger
I have a soft spot for the halo tv show
It is a guilty pleasure
But I'm also a halo fan
So I'm biased
hushed kayak
I disagree. I understood what they were doing with it. They were showing the Spa...
i see where youāre coming from, but the idea of having your emotion suppressed by a chip didnāt make sense to me. The spartans do have emotions, they just donāt bother to show it most of the time
hushed kayak
speaking halo, do you think the covenant plasma weapons can penetrate space marines armour?
atomic pelican
The closest thing we have in 40k are pulse weapons which pierce it, so yeeed
storm jungle
If they can hurt Master Chief they can hurt Marines too
woven sandal
That implies that Space Marines wouldn't just dodge the plasma shots as they move towards them at speeds that are remarkably slow.
hushed kayak
Well shit, i thought it be similar to a guardsman lasgun, which is also plasma based
storm jungle
Marines arent agents from the matrix
hushed kayak
but weaker i guess
storm jungle
Well shit, i thought it be similar to a guardsman lasgun, which is also plasma b...
Its pretty much a step above it
the halo books go really into how horrific covenant weapons are
lunar notch
Even in cinematics outside of the games plasma weapons are kinda slow. Not slow enough for a regular person to dodge ofc, but SMs could absolutely dodge. The problem is that most writers and depictions of them downplay their speed because it would destroy tension and look weird in most cases.
storm jungle
half of them would give radiation poisoning to regular humans from being near their projection vicinity
storm jungle
Even in cinematics outside of the games plasma weapons are kinda slow. Not slow ...
Halo cinematics are about as inconsistent as 40k books
so i wouldnt really trust them to display it any better
hushed kayak
half of them would give radiation poisoning to regular humans from being near th...
i forgot how that exist, especially in Fall of reach. Jesus the carbines are radioactive too
storm jungle
Yeah its pretty grimdark
like that one ODST cinematic where a drop-trooper gets nailed to a fucking wall by a Brute-shot and they have to saw the spike in half to get him out
hushed kayak
oh god i remember that, especially when the odst was killed by a gravity hammer
storm jungle
Lmao yeah its great
as usual though Halo has like no visible gore
so you dont assume the damage the weapons can do half the time since people always harmlessly turn into ragdolls
unless its the Flood but thats different
wind flicker
I love halo because canonically the surviving members of blue team are busted
like how kelly canonically has mechanically assisted speedhacks
john is lucky and all but linda can use her gun like a mortar and fire around the curvature of a gravity well
vapid tiger
so you dont assume the damage the weapons can do half the time since people alwa...
Yeah
Something good about the tv show is that it is
Surprisingly gorier than any halo game
Like marines exploding into red mist from needler supercombines, plasma weapons exploding limbs, unsc weapons exploding limbs, etc
wind flicker
my favorite part about the halo show is when the director said they hated halo
and then had master chief having constant sex
very true to the games
atomic pelican
My favorite part is Cucktana
vapid tiger
and then had master chief having constant sex
Only once tbf
vapid tiger
my favorite part about the halo show is when the director said they hated halo
Sauce
gimme sauce
grand minnow
she got cucked? amazing
vapid tiger
She watched chief have sex
grand minnow
that show isnt a trainwreck, its a canal block
vapid tiger
According to the cast the second season script and new showrunner is "better"
So we'll see
grand minnow
"I played 1 hour of halo, the sound was off, but i think i got the jist of it"
wind flicker
According to the cast the second season script and new showrunner is "better"
samuel comes back from the dead and fucks chiefs wife
vapid tiger
samuel comes back from the dead and fucks chiefs wife
YEAHHHHH
vapid tiger
"I played 1 hour of halo, the sound was off, but i think i got the jist of it"
Apparently the showrunners actually went to a halo lore bootcamp for 2 weeks
And played the games at the bootcamp?
Apparently they meant that "we didn't look at the games" in the sense of "we do not want to recreate the games" or something
grand minnow
you mean people in charge of making a show based on an ip actualy had to learn about the fuckin ip?
vapid tiger
Yeah I still dislike that
wind flicker
we had to make people hate the show to do something new
vapid tiger
But that's how corporate media works
wind flicker
(cucktana)
grand minnow
I have literaly no idea how people can get so far with such little effort
vapid tiger
They hire people who have pull to do random projects
Instead of like
Getting the right person for the job
yay capitalism
grand minnow
Like, even if i was in charge of an anime, i knew nothing about, id at least learn about it if i was being paid to
wind flicker
witcher show
grand minnow
ill be honest, im not a witcher guy, but that song from the show wasnt too bad
i assume "toss a coin to your witcher" was from the show
vapid tiger
space marines between battles
atomic pelican
vapid tiger
<:pantsshitted:915042250910740481>
Me when I see dabbadon
wind flicker
*ill be honest, im not a witcher guy, but that song from the show wasnt too bad*
s1 was fine but s2 was basically pure fanfiction
tender igloo
s1 was fine but s2 was basically pure fanfiction
wasn't there a story that broke about how henry cavill had to basically make the writers not turn a very emotional scene into a joke fest?
tender igloo
henry cavill is like probably the most enthusiastic witcher fan i have ever seen
he clearly loves the series very much and wants to do it justice
wind flicker
ye
tender igloo
i watched season 1 and thought it was alright. never did watch season 2
then after that my experience with the series is just the games, and then i also read the last wish
novel fulcrum
iirc cavill is also big into 40k
think he's had some ideas of what a show in the setting could look like, but would obviously have some hard pushing on maintaining the feel of the galaxy in the face of directors
granted, i think he's pretty big on the astartes/custodes more than the mortals, but i don't think that's necessarily a deal breaker
lunar notch
He is probably going to play Commander Shepard in a Mass Effect TV show
novel fulcrum
"I should go." -Henry Cavill, probably
a mass effect tv show with shepard in it, huh? wonder how that would go over
lunar notch
During the filming of Season 2 of The Witcher, Cavill posted a picture of him in the makeup chair and he was reading a script. Although he censored it, it was uncensored by people online and showed the script was for Mass Effect
novel fulcrum
cuz like, the latest halo tv show was bad, but not from a lack of potential character
despite being a template to insert oneself into, chief still had plenty of character to work with
lunar notch
It seemed like it was just about the first game based off the stuff on the page.
novel fulcrum
shepard seems to me like a lot more of a blank slate
wind flicker
iirc cavill is also big into 40k
Cavill is here, and will probably play in the tests
He will join ur game and carry you
novel fulcrum
based
sacred lark
he's a custodes player
plush mason
the imperium- the human form is sacred. the admech- but spider legs are cool
sweet abyss
mmm Archmagos
vast frigate
Mmmm mechanical bits to replace the failing flesh
shadow plover
Archmagos? More like Chapter Master Sarpedon
sweet abyss
I have no fucking clue who that is because I am a necron fanatic.
shadow plover
mental zinc
Based soul drinkers
fair ravine
vapid yoke
We ride
plucky pendant
Do you think Nurgle is delaying his plans on Tertium along with the game delay?
shell pebble
Hes taking his time
final spruce
Nah, the game is being delayed so as to reflect on the Inquisition taking its time to respond to Wyrmwood's call for ditress
Plus it reflects upon the state of the bureaucracy of 40k
shell pebble
Actual question: do you think any of the gods get bored of what their whole schtick is? Like do you think Khorne ever gets tired of watching wars and spilt blood or Nurgle tired of infecting people?
This sounds really dumb to ask but I do wonder if that sort of behavior the gods exhibit is a factor to their eternal boredom
tired umbra
The chaos gods are just storms of emotion. They don't get bored because they are literally the thing they embody.
Khorne will always only care about war and bloodshed because that is what it is.
shell pebble
But does he ever get bored of certain wars?
Like he looks at one going on and goes "Ah okay that one has ran its course." and looks elsewhere for entertainment?
tired umbra
No. He's the embodiment of fury and violence.
Khorne doesn't care where the blood comes from. Only that it flows.
Same as as Tzeentch doesn't care who's making plans or betraying. Only that it happens.
shell pebble
Khorne doesn't care where the blood comes from. Only that it flows.
Im not saying that it goes against that doctrine, but more that he just sort of stops paying attention for other fights brewing across the galaxy
I probably have the Fantasy version of the gods in mind here
Cuz I do recall them just being fuckin' bored and doing everything cuz why not
tired umbra
Yeah you probably do. The Chaos Gods are basically just forces of nature formed from emotion in 40k
shell pebble
Man why does 40k have to do the gods such injustice? First they're alot more evil instead of being kind of grey then they basically have very little personality outside of their status quo
tired umbra
In 40k it's more about the characters that they control.
People like Angron and Vorx
shell pebble
Fair
final spruce
Yeah sadly the 40k Chaos Gods dont hold a candle to the personification they have in Fantasy
shell pebble
The thing is, they dont have to be that much deeper than they are now
Just a smidge more depth to make the gods a little more 3D while keeping to the thematic that they're just glorified forces of nature
plucky pendant
Iām the grim darkness of the future thereās only war. Thereās nothing else for the chaos gods to latch onto and feed off of.
Granted they could be deeper but like their morality in 40K I think makes sense
shell pebble
Yeah thats true, though tbf to fantasy its not like there's no wars going on there, its just much less than 40k due to the setting
plucky pendant
And thereās much more diplomacy and peace between different factions in fantasy.
shell pebble
Ehh some of it seems begrudging like with Wood Elves and Treants
Nobles in The Empire bicker amongst each other
Orks are Orks
Ogres be Ogrin'
plucky pendant
Theyāre not the same I swear
shell pebble
I know what you mean
Okay let me reword that
Greenskins do be Greenskinnin'
Ogres do be Ogrin'
Norscan cults and tribes and clans take each other on while also hunting big fuck off monsters
Basically theres a crap load of war, fighting, and infighting going on from alot of these groups; it just happens to all take place on one world rather than 100s of worlds while also having less humans/elves existing to bring about the gods
shell pebble
Anyway the point is that I think there's a some justification in 40k for the gods to have a little more depth than whats shown as of now; not to the point that you'd make a book about them but just enough that they got a bit more depth than a puddle
distant fable
plush mason
lol
storm jungle
Actual question: do you think any of the gods get bored of what their whole scht...
Yes they do.
Godblight has one of the greater demons mention that their "masters" are already bored with the Milkyway and wish to move to somewhere else
storm jungle
Because we need to sell toys
same as how the Necrons havent killed everyone yet or the Nids havent arrived in full force.
The lore is pretty much just a tool to sell products, so its not that important in the big picture of things as usual.
shell pebble
I see
Id love it if GW were to actually try and continue all of those situations with Chaos going all out, Tyranids going full force, Necrons exploding everything, etc all at the same time
Just to see everyone die
Lmao
storm jungle
Thats most likely only will happen if 40k needs to get rebooted
which probably isn't for another decade or so
its entirely up to them if they fuck up the tabletop game like they did with Fantasy, realise 40k is just deadweight from nobody playing it anymore, and scrap it
but thats a big IF
shell pebble
I doubt it'll get to that point
I just think it'd be really fuckin' funny if everyone loses and I do mean everyone
storm jungle
Most of the chaos characters died minus Archaon. People were still pretty mad about it.
Skaven won due to plot armor
shell pebble
I mean all factions explode and die due to how much bullshit is happening all at once
Yep
I really dont like End Times either
It just sounds annoying to read about
shell pebble
YEAH
storm jungle
Rat backstab moment
shell pebble
SHIT LIKE THAT HAPPENS
Or fuckin' Vilitch
Who just sort of dies after his brother takes over and then there's nothing else?
Least that was according to the Fantasy wiki
storm jungle
Yeah it feels so unfulfilling
and not even in a grimdark way
its just
"Okay, hes dead"
shell pebble
Not even a "Thombin takes over and uses his brother to do the funny magic and lead another Tzeentch force"
shell pebble
Yep heard about that
Or the Ogres
I think they were just forgotten?
I could be wrong here
storm jungle
Ogres were basically just used as a steamroll to destroy the eastern nations with Grimgor as they joined forces
shell pebble
Okay thats fitting and kind of cool
storm jungle
Yeah but like
the thing is they are spending the story in the places nobody cares about 
and the TIME grimgor gets to the final battle
Archaon kills him
the prick
shell pebble
Man.
storm jungle
Also foudn the ogres
1 sec
Notice how only Skrag is the only one mentioned to die on-screen and the others get no conclusions 
storm jungle
He slipped
shell pebble
I mean its hard to get every character a nice and badass death
But man
I mean its an ironic death
shell pebble
Thank
I feel like they were trying to go for a Ragnarok feel with everyone going out and the world getting reborn, but it really flounders
storm jungle
Yeah its universally hated for a good reason
shell pebble
Mhmmmm
Actually thinking on it, having an End Times where everyone, material or immaterial, dies would be really fitting for 40k since the whole universe is based around war
And while it would be really funny, it'd also send the message that war has no winners
My brain made the big 'ah ha!' moment right there
storm jungle
Yeah 40k has been forever about nobody really winning at the end of the day
its prob just gonna be nids and necrons
shell pebble
And maybe orks
shell pebble
Oh they could make it a plot twist where
Its so catastrophic that it kills everything but the spores, and the ork spores slowly evolve into what we know as the Old Ones
And the Necrotyr come back and the whole fuckin' time line repeats
Its pretty dumb but 40k is dumb and it allows GW to keep selling lil army men
cunning wigeon
So lore question time: were the enlightened or golden age humans still pretty warlike or were weapons reserved for colonising dangerous planets?
storm jungle
Anything above
They both attacked aliens and other humans for any reason
Basically its star trek but what if every human pocket civilization had enough OP tech to do whatever they wanted
It was still semi-utopia-esque but it didn't stop golden age humans from still committing atrocities among eachother
cunning wigeon
Still human at the end of the day I suppose
And for how long did humanity know about the warp/ immaterium?
barren tapir
Around the end of the age of terra
The development of the warp drive and the gellar field were among the things that started the age of tech
Which also show how it is simply dumb and wrong to state that gellar fields are made by comatose psykers
As someone said another day
vapid tiger
But yeah, that's how the 'field' is produced. It's the 'field' of reality emanating from a psyker's dreams. In their coma, they create an aura of normality around the ship. You effectively shield yourself in their projections of reality that pushes back the Sea of Souls for a time.
It's a quote from ADB
barren tapir
Eh, this guy ADB, seems to have shitty takes, which is surprising since he is also a writer
vapid tiger
I think he also stated that the daot gellar fields didn't operate this way and that the imperium had essentially jury-rigged this system to keep gellar fields a thing
which would make sense
barren tapir
Yes and no, i mean, it would make perfect sense for the imperium to slap a comatose psyker for doing something similar, but we also know they can actually use real gellar field generators
Especially since we know that some are an integral part of warp drives, so if the imperium make a warp drive they make a gellar field generator too
I just see it as a way to grimderp the imperium
vapid tiger
Gavin Thorpe's Ashes of Prospero also states this
The Geller field sealed completely, vibrating slightly with the catatonic thoughts of the poor psyker enclosed in the bowels of the ship whose soul was being processed to create the protective shield. Njal kept his thoughts to himself, not wishing to touch upon whatever nightmarish experience the psychic battery underwent
barren tapir
The imperium is awful by itself, no need to try to be super endy
vapid tiger
"It's a longstanding objective truth of the setting, but not a widely known one, and it's being taken extremely negatively as a recent change or the freewheeling nonsense of a single author. These are the kinds of moments some authors dread: You think it'll be cool to reveal something well-known behind the scenes and people will be interested in some really deep-down lore"
- ADB
barren tapir
I mean, it is a recent change or the freewheeling of a single author, unless they state exactly that some gellar field used by the imperium are made by a comatose psyker
vapid tiger
ADB has stated multiple times that his "lore changes" aren't changes at all and that he pulls from a backlog of preexisting stuff
I think in one of his blogs or maybe a podcast interview/ama I listened to he has mentioned that there's a hefty amount of 40k and fantasy lore that's commonly known within GW's writing studio and the BL that just never gets mentioned
barren tapir
But on how they state it it seems that gellar fields all require a comatose psyker
vapid tiger
So it for example it "shocked" writers at GW to learn the Failbaddon meme from ADB, citing that Abaddon was "space sauron" and that "his black crusades were successes"
Leading to them actually detailing how they were successes in 8th ed and onwards chaos codices
Which was viewed as a "change"
barren tapir
ADB has stated multiple times that his "lore changes" aren't changes at all and ...
Yeah, i call BS on this, many authors make lore errors that are fucking obvious, him saying that they are common knowledge within GW writing studio is BS
barren tapir
So it for example it "shocked" writers at GW to learn the Failbaddon meme from A...
Another clear example of the fact that there is not a common knowledge thing withing the GW studio
vapid tiger
I think he said that it's mainly within their codex writing studio and that the BL authors have to communicate with them
barren tapir
Ah, yes, the codex, where every codex state stuff that can contradict another one but both are correct, because both paint their faction as winning or being super strong
vapid tiger
Apparently the gellar field thing was originally written by Andy Hoare in an old white dwarf article, and has never been retconned
shadow plover
I feel one of the bigger BL writers has a better grasp of how lore is handled inhouse than people with access to internet forums
novel fulcrum
i used to be real big on adhering to lore based on degree of 'authenticity'
but honestly just believe whatever you want to at this point, there's probably something somewhere that contradicts any point of modern lore
barren tapir
I mean, i have nothing against the imperium just using psykers are batteries for the, i still find it just grimderp but it could make sense... They should just word it better, to show that the imperium have degraded so much that they now use psykers instead of actual generators...
novel fulcrum
i will continue to believe that abaddon was simply bad at crusading
barren tapir
Either that, or they need to change the lore about warp drives and gellar fields
vapid tiger
Phil Kelly, Crisis of Faith:
āOrganic matter in here,ā said the scientist. āMostly ash, according to initial samples. Osseus, in origin. Some elements still largely intact.ā
āOsseus?ā said Malcaor, his forehead puckering. āWhy in the name of the Tauāva would there be bone matter in an engine? The result of an industrial accident?ā
āUnlikely, given dispersal and volume,ā said Pryfinger. āThere appears to be an interior casket built to house an artefact of unknown significance. There is a jewelled vial of fluid here too, auric plating. According to initial ultrasound feathering, it contains only water.ā
[---]
āMay the om-nis-siahās light bless this housing,ā he translated to his recording disc. āThe can-tic-les of saint gel-ler ā jeller, perhaps ā contain its divine auraā¦ pause.ā
novel fulcrum
this pleases the brain, it is canon now because i say so
barren tapir
That seems the description of a relic honestly lol... Or a machine that has been anointed with a relic
slender orchid
Yeah, old Tau books, before that the Rogue Trader books series (oddly enough also Tau), and a few other places contain mention of Warp engines and Gellar field installations.
They had (?have?) nothing to do with imprisoned psykers. Each scene has a specific order of the Mechanicus, and it describes that whatever it is they handle eats away at them, literally. They install multiple units which are described as glowing and kinda radioactive to the soul. ADB for as much as I like him was the one who wanted to kill Lorgar in the Heresy and change lore, and do several other wonky things.
sweet abyss
Anyone read Severed? That shit rocks
Got the book for my birthday a couple years ago and just remembered how good of a time I had reading it.
vapid tiger
They had (?have?) nothing to do with imprisoned psykers. Each scene has a specif...
I trust multiple bl authors over some guy with an angry marines pfp no offense
slender orchid
shrug
I can't really argue with him. If he says it and BL backs it, it IS the canon, no matter what came before.
dry epoch
It can also be the case that a writer can be halfway through a book basing something very specific (and important) on published codex loreā¦ only for that bit of lore to then be randomly altered and the entire point of it negated. The in-house lore is ever changing and sometimes, there is cross over.
slender orchid
Yes and no. Actual quote from ADB "I've had several conversations that go like this: "I want to do X."
"You can't, that's wrong, the lore doesn't go like that."
"But it says in these published sources that I'm right. I just want to carry on X and Y and Z."
"Yeah, but they were wrong. They were wrong at the time, too. We never directly say they were wrong, we just never mention them again, and eventually counter them in later publications."
"But the readers think these things are true."
"Sure. But eventually, they won't.""
dry epoch
Iām talking about literally being told halfway through writing a book that the specific bit of lore has been changed. Fortunately, it didnāt call for a huge amount of re-writing, but it was disappointing.
The swirl of ever changing stuff. Keeps you on your toes š
slender orchid
I still remember when he got kinda condescending to someone on Reddit about it being M42 in Dark Imperium, saying they were free to think that but no. Photographic evidence it... is... from Codexes and the Dark Imperium series... but yep. He pretty much popped back with it doesn't have to make sense but I said so XD
eh, no point in dwelling and being negative
Dude writes good books
dry epoch
No indeed
You canāt please all the people all the time. Or any of the people any of the time on a bad day.
vapid tiger
Wasn't his point that the entire point of the chronostrife being written is to retain the idea that it's still potentially M41?
slender orchid
This is a negative road to go down.
But his point was basically "The Imperium and the Warp are unreliable, and so are all the authors!". Which is a TERRIBLE point and way to write.
Dark Imperium, the Ciaphas Cain novel, Gathering Storm, all had hard dates. Think BattleFleet Gothic 2 did as well, but it is a not canon game. They retconned some of these, with the Dark Imperium books getting a full reprint.
Since then they have stopped including dates in any of the books. It used to be the lead in at the start of a novel, especially anything Mechanicus. you won't find a single date or estimation in the Dawn of Fire books, Indomitus, etc.
cunning wigeon
Okay final lore question of the day: If time doesn't exactly flow the same way it does in the warp, is it possible that some Golden age humans could re-emerge from the warp assuming they got swallowed before?
slender orchid
Wasn't that the point of the.... tries to google the one AI ship
Spirit of Eternity, from Death of Integrity?
final spruce
So the Van Saar ?
cunning wigeon
Oh is it that already an existing thing is it? Dark age humans popping out the warp?
slender orchid
A ship from the Golden Age pops out of the warp. It states when it first came out its crew were still alive, and the Imperium killed them.
It then started jumping, ended up part of a Space Hulk. More out of depression/aimlessness than anything. It demonstrates it is free to leave. Has records of technology that would change the face of humanity, and it loved its crew. Hates the Imperium with a passion, states they are inferior lifeforms to its captain/partner. Leaves the Mechanicus and SM all kind of shaken.
I swear there is a book that plays with having a group come out of the Warp BEFORE the Heresy, but they have to immediately leave for reasons.
cunning wigeon
Yeah just read some of its lore, ends with the absolutely hilarious line of cawl beating it in a game of wits, which I hope is just a meme snuck in by some lexicanum author
slender orchid
I mean, back in the day Warhammer Fantasy and 40k were explicitly linked. That got retconned around... ?3rd?. But that was fun too. Warhammer is infuriatingly inconsistent like that.
Yeah, it is a throwaway line as someone brags about/introduces Cawl. As he is about to unveil the Primaris. Just posted a shot of the page, but suddenly not sure if that is okay.
I honestly forgot I had this omnibus in my library. Combo book with Black Dragons (Death of Antagonisis), then one with Flesh Tearers/Nova Marines (Death of Integrity). I remember the Black Dragons being fun, but everyone online seems to say it was bad. Scared to re-read it
rose thorn
Omg Iām playing grey knights and making them all have knight accents was the best choice ever
They are so silly sometimes itās amazing
bright anvil
Silly little guys hunting the silly little horrors of the warp
rich tapir
Are there any sports in 40k ?
modest jasper
one that is mentioned in Ciaphas Cain books called scrumball pitch which is most likely just rugby. If you live on a knight or feudal world what ever sports played in medieval times, what ever sports are around rn most likely have a variant in 40k and if on necromunda probably very dangerous
signal hill
But it's probably bot quite Mass Media Sports
It will be entertaining for the elites since the average workers barely has time to Rest
I guess from there in it depends in the world and their Trends, although too much bloodsports or to... 'eccentric' Sports might be checked by inquisitors once in a whike
cursive plinth
I just came here to say F Erberus!
cyan oxide
are the costodes blood games considered a sport?
and i know that gladiatorial arenas are fairly common as well
spark relic
It's more like an advanced workout routine
I think the purpose of them is to test the palace for weaknessess
cyan oxide
so would laser tag be connsidered training in 40k?
spark relic
lmao probably
cyan oxide
i know they have special las guns (or they just super low power normal ones) to do combat drills from one of the gaunts ghost books
spark relic
so would laser tag be connsidered training in 40k?
Aka live fire guardsman training
Yeah but they usually don't fire their guns at each other, even on low power, as they are still very much lethal to unaugmented humans
cyan oxide
i mean like super low power
like you feel it but its in no way lethal or severely injuring exept for the head
i belive the book was "the guns of tanith"
spark relic
You can't go too low, It simply won't fire then. They have used special "knife markers" in stealth training to show where they stabbed or cut their opponents
spark relic
i belive the book was "the guns of tanith"
I don't recall that at all but it was a long time since I read that book so I could certainly be wrong
cyan oxide
those paint makers were used in that part of the book too
spark relic
Damn, guess my memory just remembered the tactical crayons
cyan oxide
yea because in that exercise they call themselves out when they got hit with the low power las beam
or hit with the crayon
spark relic
I have a feeling that getting hit with low-power las would be like a very painful paintball
cyan oxide
oh yea it still stings
just non lethal
or less-than-lethal
great now if i ever play lazer tag im gonna LARP as a gaurdsman
rose thorn
its so weird seing HH stuff kinda reappear in 40k
like some tech just disappeared
and like
the HH shields arent used by SM anymore
plush mason
hell breaching shields are just smart to use
spark relic
A shield in a corridor or other enclosed space?
Genius
I have never seen anything smarter
Why didn't we think of that before?
wind flicker
never been done before
vapid tiger
the HH shields arent used by SM anymore
I mean boarding shields are just big slabs of metal they're not really lost tech
The codex just got rid of boarding squads
Guilliman scrapped them I guess
rose thorn
Fair
vapid tiger
No room in a company to have dedicated breacher squads when you could have more tactical marines ig
rose thorn
Itās weird uhh,,, whatās it called in HH the volcanic pistols
?
I think the pretorian model has it
vapid tiger
Though we do see exceptions, like the old 6th-7th 40k space marine siege force list that had 40k era breacher squads and noted that they were used by the likes of the imperial fists and their successors a lot
And the guys in astartes are also a non-codex boarding squad but equipped with tactical marine equipment
rose thorn
Idk it just seems weird stuff that was obviously affective and worked in the HH isnāt used or lost in the imperium
vapid tiger
And photon flash grenades ig
vapid tiger
Idk it just seems weird stuff that was obviously affective and worked in the HH ...
Yeah uh
I'm of the opinion that the primaris line should've just been the basic tacticus mk x armor and then a bunch of heresy stuff in plastic that cawl "rediscovered" rather than him creating an entirely new armory of even more impractical than usual marine vehicles
vapid tiger
Praetors
rose thorn
I was close
shadow plover
oh you mean volkite weapons
vapid tiger
Equivalent of chapter masters in 30k
shadow plover
there are a couple in 40k as well
rose thorn
Yeah uh
I'm of the opinion that the primaris line should've just been the basic...
Yea, it should have just been new armor
VOLKITE YEA
rose thorn
there are a couple in 40k as well
Oh really?
I think uhh,,, Knights have something like that
rose thorn
Wait where the fucl were the custodies during HH actually? Werenāt they stupid op even back then
shadow plover
and a lieutenant
this fellow also has one
then some heresy era units like the Leviathan can take volkites
vapid tiger
Yea, it should have just been new armor
Yeah in general
Just like
"Here's some new armor and marines now have sicarans, fellblades, javelin speeders, land raider spartans and jetbikes back. Have fun. Also marines have two wounds now"
"Here's some new wargear options for your tactical, assault and devastator squads, also new gravis armor shit"
"And new specialist squads like bladeguard, guilliman expanded the codex"
idk it just seems like geedubs went crazy
Like how the original jes goodwin design of the repulsor tank is just a floating land raider with the sponsons replaced by a turret
and then the final model is covered in a bunch of extra unnecessary guns on all sides
MORE THAN A WARLORD TITAN
OR A BANEBLADE
fair current
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120101192_Pri...
That looks exactly like a Bradley
atomic pelican
I just wish theyd stop making every vehicle a hover vehicle
Tau and Eldar used to be unique in having hover vehicles, and now near everyone is ditching their wheels
Waiting for them to replace the treads on the Russ with hover jets
sand karma
I thought that was just the space marines because ācoolā
Who else is getting hover jets?
plush mason
Waiting for them to replace the treads on the Russ with hover jets
like that would ever happen lol. GW would have to care enough about the guard to make such a change
atomic pelican
The GW Wheel allergy
vapid tiger
I like humans having tracked vehicles bar land speeders since seeing a ww1 tank but with laser cannons is a cool dichotomy
atomic pelican
Its why GSC, CSM, and guard remain the vehicle heroes
atomic pelican
Yeah their bikes
plush mason
no more trikes?
vapid tiger
Yeah :(
vapid tiger
funny dorfs
barren tapir
Since they have tau tech
More the inverse... The ion technology that tau have has been traded with the demiurg originally, but now it seems it was the Votann all the time
vapid tiger
Ya
barren tapir
That was a fokken fast response mate
spark relic
What if
And hear me out
Horus had just killed Erebus permanently after finding out everything he said in the dreamstate on Davin was a lie?
I thought Primarchs were supposed to be super smart
atomic pelican
leman russ existing is proof to the opposite of that
spark relic
How did Horus's super smarts tell him to trust the liar?
spark relic
leman russ existing is proof to the opposite of that
Yeah but Russ is a blundering moron
He and Angron are exceptions
Because they're idiots who think with their fists
(almost) Everyone else is at least partially reasonable and logical in their decisionmaking
Most of all Horus
So what the hell man?
I've known about this for years and never understood it
vapid tiger
Angron is dumb because of nails embedded into his skulls that make him go monke mode and there's proof that he'd otherwise be a smart guy
Leman Russ is just smoothbrained
vapid tiger
I've known about this for years and never understood it
Horus's fall is poorly written
abnett started the horus heresy opening trilogy by delivering horus rising on a golden platter and then the other authors shit all over the platter
spark relic
Horus's fall is poorly written
Thank you, that's all I really needed to hear
Someone who agrees with me
spark relic
abnett started the horus heresy opening trilogy by delivering horus rising on a ...
I mean in general I liked the trilogy but some admittedly very important scenes were very poorly written
vast frigate
Because they're idiots who think with their fists
angron has justification for his behavior
leman has literal dog genes
The emperor giving leman literal dog genes so he becomes as loyal as possible to not ever lose him from the side
DOESNT DO THIS TO OTHER PRIMARCHS
spark relic
I mean, he gave Corvus bird genes so he would be as fly as possible
He gave Vulkan volcano genes so that he could be the warmest boi around
And he gave Curze asshole genes, because Curze is just a bastard
I don't know about the other ones
TELL ME YOUR THEORIES BELOW
vast frigate
he gave jaghetai chad genes
spark relic
lol
He gave Magnus the genes of the #40k-book-club because he's a massive bookworm
And so are we
What does this mean for Sanguinius?
What genes could such a perfect angel carry?
vapid tiger
What are we? Some kind of warhammer 40,000? - Sanguinius
vapid tiger
What genes could such a perfect angel carry?
The genes of gay
the genes of being a character written to die tragically and for it to be tragic when he dies
spark relic
To be fair it was tragic when he died
So at least one set of genes worked as they were meant to
vapid tiger
When the death is the first thing written about the character I suppose so
All they originally included was "yeah sanguinius was horus's best bud" or something
because they were best buds
it's why abaddon respected the blood angels enough to have one of their chaplain's corpse propped up on a throne of dead black legionnaires after a battle
their primarchs and legions were DEEPLY CONNECTED
and incidentally the two most beloved and respected legions by the time of the heresy
keyword being and considering the likes of the salamanders were beloved but not as well-respected and the ultramarines were well-respected but not well-liked because they were assholes
grizzled grove
So, this is more of a meta question than anything else, but the logo of the Tau looks strikingly similar to the logo of Bungie's Marathon logo/Halo Reclaimer symbol. Is this a deliberate reference, or just coincidence?
smoky mauve
"Legally distinct" lol
final spruce
I was thinking about it when watching Manda's videos and seems like GW stole some stuff again
vapid tiger
So, this is more of a meta question than anything else, but the logo of the Tau ...
GW steals a lot of shit
rotund violet
GW steals a lot of shit
I heard supposedly starcraft was originally gonna be a 40k game and that's why they're so similar or somethin, take that with a grain of salt cuz that could just be complete and utter BS, and not true in the slightest
plush mason
i think it is tho. iirc blizzard approached GW with the idea and they said no so blizzard took the work they had already done and made their own setting from it
rotund violet
so in other words, 40k isn't a starcraft ripoff, but the other way around?\
plush mason
nah more starcraft was going to be 40k but they couldnt get the license for it
rose thorn
I hope LOTD come back
rotund violet
so starcraft is a 40k ripoff lol
plush mason
more or less ya lol
woven sandal
So, this is more of a meta question than anything else, but the logo of the Tau ...
Looking at it, I'm pretty sure it is legitimately coincidence.
The 3rd ed T'au codex came out in 2001 and Halo CE came out in late 2001.
prisma lark
sigh... I wish people would stop with that " Starcraft was supposed to be a 40k game" nonsense
Warcraft started as a Warhammer project
but that's about it
I mean, Starcraft and 40k obviously "borrowed" from each other
woven sandal
According to Wikipedia, Codex Tau came out in October 2001 which is before Halo CE came out.
vapid tiger
Marathon
Marathon symbol
Marathon symbol comes from Marathon
Which predates the tau
barren tapir
I mean, Starcraft and 40k obviously "borrowed" from each other
Not really, starcraft was indeed being a game based on warhammer 40K ip, but during development GW take back the license because they weren't feeling it would be a good thing, but blizzard already did a lot of stuff so they simply went and made a new setting...
Then fast forward to when GW wanted to update the nids and had to counsel with blizzard, to make so that they wouldn't be copying the zerg from starcraft
Both warcraft and starcraft were meant to be games based on warhammer, but both games had their license taken back by GW in the middle of development
plush mason
lol
barren tapir
And tbh, starcraft had a lot of early era warhammer in it, but not much the inverse...
An example was the marines being mostly convicts that got brainwashed into service, which was extremely close to what the SM were originally
But that was the past and origin, now both are their own setting, that each has developed independently and actually want to remain separate, see GW making sure that they wouldn't be copying the zerg with the nids update
spark relic
GW blueballing Blizzard twice in a row is hilarious
"You can have our license"
"Or can you?"
barren tapir
It wasn't GW blueballing blizzard, it was literally GW doing what they do best, shitty decisions
In the middle of development they bailed out because they didn't felt that the games would have been selling, and that they wouldn't have been good for the setting...
Which was fucking wrong
spark relic
Well I never said GW made good decisions
We know they don't
And I think they understood that games would be good for the setting later
Since there's so many 40k games out there now
barren tapir
Nah, that is just GW giving away the license to anyone who would pay them well
spark relic
They just missed their chance at getting the games produced by a big brand, that's all
barren tapir
Now, recently they seems to have finally understood that good games are a way to get people into the setting, and then buy minis
And now they seems to actually care that the games actually follow the lore
Before anyone could get a license as long they paid it, since GW still don't do co founding
spark relic
GW simultaneously nurturing and killing their online brand because they have no idea what they're doing half the time
barren tapir
Also, it took only three super big hits (VT, VT2 and TWWH series) to make GW slightly change their stance to games
spark relic
I love this company
barren tapir
Oh, and also gothic armada
spark relic
Didn't Dawn of War play a role there as well?
barren tapir
Yes, yes it did, but while it was a big hit indeed it wasn't at the level of VT or TWWH for people reached
I joined thanks to DoW soulstorm, and many others did too, but not to the extent of VT or TWWH
TWWH managed to revive the interest for warhammer fantasy alone
VT did the same
spark relic
I joined thanks to DoW soulstorm, and many others did too, but not to the extent...
I joined because I passed by a GW store in Dublin and thought "look cool minifigures"
woven sandal
spark relic
TWWH managed to revive the interest for warhammer fantasy alone
Yeah but they did it extremely well
woven sandal
What got me into 40k along with TB's Space Marine WTF is...?
spark relic
If anyone else had done it it might not have done so hot
barren tapir
I joined because I passed by a GW store in Dublin and thought "look cool minifig...
Lol, what a way to get into the setting lol, but maybe the most natural one
spark relic
Yeah, getting some AoS minis made me realize I had two friends who already played
Hell of a way to strengthen a friendship
I haven't painted or bought any minis in years though
I prefer reading and the occasional 4 hour round of VT2
Everyone finds their part of the community if they give it time
It's why I stayed
It's very diverse
Something for everyone
woven sandal
I prefer reading and the occasional 4 hour round of VT2
I played 4 hours of VT2 on Cata with high speed twitch mode and only managed to win one level.
woven sandal
I wish it wasn't just always like "special or special" or "boon or boon" or "monster or monster". Why can't it be "monster or boon" or "monster or special" etc.?
spark relic
Why isn't there one which just kills one player and the chats discretion?
woven sandal
That was honestly my biggest complaint with it. I knew it was all random (we were on the top gear channel after all). But like, I think it'd be more fun if there was suspense between "you're fucked" and "you're better off".
That doesn't sound super fun TBH.
spark relic
Yeah, instead of "You're fucked" or "You're fucked, but this one has fire"
woven sandal
I also think that when it's random it's skewed toward giving stuff to dead guys and skewed against certain choices of special.
grizzled grove
How heavy is a standard imperial guard chainsword? What about an Eviscerator?
woven sandal
FFG said 10 KG. So quite heavy.
lyric ember
final spruce
What Only War says about it
Chain Weapons
Name Class Range Dam Pen Special Wt. Availability
Chainsword Melee ā 1d10+2 R 2 Tearing, Balanced 6kg Average
Eviscerator Melee ā 2d10 R 9 Razor Sharp, Tearing, Unwieldy 15kg Very Rare
Lexicanum seems to say the same : Chainsword Hecate - As any chainsword, it can bring messy deaths that help intimidate enemies and crew-scum[4a]; this model weights 6 kg, but it is well balanced[4b] so it is easier to wield and parry melee attacks.[4c] (Model used by Rogue Traders according to the wiki so human sized)
that's still super heavy, 6kg for a one-handed sword isn't even the weight of a really heavy greatsword, Scottish claymores being really fucking heavy and being between 2 to 3 kg more or less
Clearly overinflated
vapid tiger
nerd shit in general tends to overinflate weapon weights, especially melee weapon weights
while also lowballing the weight of stuff like ammunition, supplies etc
plush mason
given that the chainsword has a motor and gears to move the chain it makes sense it would be heavier
woven sandal
It's just too heavy to really use as a weapon at that point.
plush mason
13 pounds is not to heavy to be used lol
it would be very tiring but many weapons in history where around that same weight
hell the average sledge is 20 at the lightest
if anything the chainsword is more a bludgeoning weapon with the ability to cut
woven sandal
It's not shaped for that at all, and that also isn't how it's really depicted.
plush mason
cause its almost always depicted with the chain moving
so yeah its a usable weapon but a completely impractical one
much like a real world chainsaw is
and 13 pounds is an average weight for an electric one so thats likely where GW got that number from
and on second thought the majority of the weight would be in the motor so yeah not a bludgeoning weapon
final spruce
hell the average sledge is 20 at the lightest
You can't really compare a 2 handed tool and whats supposed to be a 1 handed sword youd be waving around to block, feint and attack with
sleek canyon
This French Youtuber who's a swordsman and ancient weapon enthusiast imagined stances when using a chainsword and how to best use it depending of the opponent's weapons. I've set the video at the time he's showing this. Unfortunately, I don't think there are English subtitles for it.
https://youtu.be/Zfmiq37wvRE?t=330
He's also explaining later in the video that such a weapon would be impractical to create today because the chain would be damaged very quickly and would not rotate fast enough to work as in the 40k universe.
There was another video, in English this time, "is the chainsword realistic?" about the subject: https://youtu.be/_aGGUH5CP1Y
(and of course, all of this isn't to be taken too seriously, 40k is a "space magic" setting, so it doesn't really matter if a chainsword is "realistic" or not ^^)
lunar notch
I don't know if you could make a chainsword. The closest thing I can think of is that one dremmel chainsaw attachment that's insanely dangerous.
spark relic
Didn't someone make a really big one though?
I feel like I've seen a functional one somewhere
lunar notch
A really big one maybe. I am just skeptical that you could make one with a small enough power source that can spin the chain at a decent clip.
signal hill
Well, if you Go by todays technology you won't be able to make them
But roughly 38000 years in the future the processes for crafting Energy sources, Motors of all sizes and a monofilament chain become notibly more obtainable
spark relic
Drongo speaks true
Just as an example, curing cancer is child's play for them in 40k so a chainsaw built for combat shouldn't be too hard
lunar notch
I can't be the only one who thinks that when Cawl was tinkering with the Primaris that he fix the gene-seed of the Space Marines
Like the ossmodula is literally a detriment.
A few of them are more or less redundant.
slender orchid
Weird missing the weapon argument. The one claim the "average" sledge is 20lbs is just... no? the normal sledgehammer is 10lbs. Most one handed swords weigh between 1.5lbs and 4 lbs. Almost every book emphasizes chainswords are chunky, inelegant weapons that mostly just involving swinging it hard, so a 8-10lb one would be doable. Gaunt has the best section on it when he describes "dueling" with one and how.... not great that is. 20lbs would be mental.
Shad's video is pretty good. If you could actually consistently make teeth that had "monomolecular" edges, and make it so they weren't insanely fragile, they could cut just about anything, including steel. Add a small enough motor and with future tech and a chainsword would be possible.
Though melee weapons in war at this point is.... a Warhammer thing.
woven sandal
Yeah. You'd need huge advances in armor to actually justify anyone doing melee as a reasonable strategy given current technology.
slender orchid
Ship boarding does give a place for them
but weirdly most ship boarding in 40k with humans, they emphasize using flechette shotguns
But being on a open battlefield, or on campaign, with a 8lb giant thing on my hip or back that I would have to get into touching range to use sounds... just awful.
Gun good.
woven sandal
They saved all that weight with Lasgun power packs being the God Emperor's gift to logistics just to put them all back on with a heavy ass melee weapon for seemingly no reason.
slender orchid
Dude, the Lasgun sounds AMAZING. In 40k scale compared to bolters and stuff, sure it is a "flashlight" but compared to autoguns or conventional weaponry it is great.
real stone
Insert multilas or las cannons
slender orchid
Pinpoint accuracy, no recoil or next to no recoil, clear indication of whether you hit target, tiny ammo source that gives dozens of shots that can be recharged almost anywhere with any heat or energy source, all while being super durable and requiring next to no maintenance?
woven sandal
The lasgun is the weapon from 40k that would actually be used by a modern army.
slender orchid
And from the RPGs it does as much damage as a large bore autogun. So it hits like a .308
One of the coolest sidenotes in Know No Fear (Ultramarines HH book) is when they talk about issuing the Ultramar Auxilia lasguns as standard issue and how new that is, one of Guilliman's projects
woven sandal
Yeah. It's like the absolute perfect gun for basically any purpose.
The logistics guy uses the good logistics gun. Shocker.
slender orchid
As the Ultramarines guy I had never actually read or heard that Guilliman started that. Made sense. I thought it had just kind of overspilled from the Solar Auxilia using las-locks.
But the Solar Auxilia also has their Fallout style power armor
lunar notch
Problem is that most weapons in the 40k universe require a bigger than .308 solution.
woven sandal
I do wonder how las-locks are actually supposed to work.
Guardsmen kill things with lasguns all the time, and lasguns can be tuned to just do more damage.
So things like Marines could just carry more/bigger lasgun charge packs.
slender orchid
Right? Why is there no "Extremis Las Charger" or some other convoluted name that fits between a lasrifle and a lascannon. Standard issue for Space Marines and Sisters of Battle. No ammo problems.
lunar notch
I do wonder how las-locks are actually supposed to work.
My interpretation of them is that they are lasguns that burn out their capacitor in a single shot. The "bullets" in this case just being many smaller capacitors.
woven sandal
That kinda makes sense I guess.
lunar notch
The confusing thing is that they are used on the TT with Tech Thralls.
woven sandal
I am not an admech guy. What are those?
lunar notch
Extremely basic infantry, think of a precursor to Skitarii, servitors though.
woven sandal
Okay.
slender orchid
Don't feel like getting my old Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader books out, but THINK laslocks had more range, did more damage, and slightly better armor penetration/reduction.
lunar notch
They are also the cheapest unit in the game, HH or 40k.
You can literally field hundreds of the fuckers for very little.
woven sandal
Don't feel like getting my old Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader books out, but THINK las...
Yeah. My understanding of las-locks is that they are more primitive, but also in most ways more powerful than a more standard las-rifle, but they function more similarly to modern firearms in terms of requiring some sort of disposable ammo.
I kinda always imagine them as being lever action for some reason.
lunar notch
I mean, you can always imagine that there is one. There's what, thousands of patterns of Lasguns?
woven sandal
Oh definitely. But to me, the default las-lock is lever action.
lunar notch
Also, the first story from Brotherhood of the Snake might describe them as such?
Been a long time since I read that tho
woven sandal
I have 100% not read that story.
lunar notch
It's a good book. It's a series of smaller stories. A very early book by Abnett.
Some of it is out of date though, particularly the second story (I think it was) where he describes how a plasma rifle operates.
woven sandal
Plasma is a cool ass weapon, but also super weird.
lunar notch
The first book is neat because it's a proto Spess Marines novel but it doesn't become too annoying.
Basically there is a feudal world where something crashed on the planet and whatever it was has been going on just taking cities and villages and emptying them of people overnight until finally the last stronghold uses this ancient device that they have. It's a beacon that sends an SoS signal to the Brotherhood of the Snake chapter. And they take their sweet time to mount a response and only send one Space Marine to their call.
plush mason
how do imperial plasma weapons generate the plasma?