40k-minis-and-armies

[celest zealot]

was dawn of war 2

but i also mod the SHIT out of it

so maybe that's why

[potent vapor]

halo wars 2 went crazy

[celest zealot]

yooooo

halo wars 2 enjoyer

who did you main

[coarse badger]

You guys see the new AoS rts game?

[plush swift]

moron

[potent vapor]

yap yap or the hunter dudes

[celest zealot]

i was a colony/arbiter player

[plush swift]

Just buy large tubes

[potent vapor]

colony

thats it

[celest zealot]

arbiter my beloved

[potent vapor]

i also played some shipmaster

[celest zealot]

his soothing voice can put me to sleep any day

<3

[potent vapor]

i was a god at that game

[celest zealot]

yep

[celest zealot]

i was alright

[coarse badger]

I like da Condors

[celest zealot]

not great but like

i rarely ever got shit stomped

[potent vapor]

I was onyx i believe

i might be thinking of halo infinite

i was at the very least plat

[celest zealot]

he insists its "quality over quantity" which makes

no goddamn sense

[potent vapor]

is he a kill team player?

[coarse badger]

Does your quality as a painter trump the quality of your paints?

[celest zealot]

no he plays everything warhammer related but barely ever paints his models

he got the age of darkness box set

[potent vapor]

chad tbh

[celest zealot]

and has painted like

5 models

[celest zealot]

he also constantly claims he'll "get around to it"

and keeps buying new models

[potent vapor]

oh well thats not chad

[coarse badger]

Can't he just commission it at that point

[celest zealot]

i dont even think he's ASSEMBLED some of the age of darkness box

[potent vapor]

just own up that you play w unpainted models bc u dont like painting

[celest zealot]

fucking probably with the cash he's dropping

[plush swift]

I have a 200ml tube from blockx, one of the highest end paints in the world. also hes using W&S

[potent vapor]

commission prices 😭

[celest zealot]

i know but with what hes spending on new models anyway

might as well have a painted fuckin army, aye?

[celest zealot]

that he DOESNT FULLY ASSEMBLE mind you

[potent vapor]

just buy secondhand armies

thats how i got into it

[celest zealot]

thats what i told him

[coarse badger]

I just cope with tabletop sim 😎

[celest zealot]

but he says that all the paintjobs are "mid level trash"

[potent vapor]

hells to the no

i practice with TS

but if thats all you play you're doing it wrong

[coarse badger]

Lack any other option, sadly

[potent vapor]

a massive part of the hobby for me is the LGS, I was active long before i got into warhammer bc I play a lot of EDH

[celest zealot]

idk i feel like oil paint users either see it as a tool to use to apply unique effects to their models

or act like they're the best painter in the known universe

NEVER an in between

[coarse badger]

My "LGS" is 2 hours away in a capital where I'm unsafe without a gun

[celest zealot]

least not in my experience

[celest zealot]

damn mine is too

(i love america yippee)

[potent vapor]

everything near me is at least 20 minutes away bc I live on top of a fucking mountain

[celest zealot]

well its not a capital

[potent vapor]

also get a gun

guns r cool

[coarse badger]

I think corpse checked it out online yesterday and it was just some guy's basement

[celest zealot]

planning to buy the shittiest possible mosin

[potent vapor]

nothing i love more than going out and killing people

[celest zealot]

copcoded

[coarse badger]

Can't, europoor laws

[potent vapor]

hell no

[celest zealot]

7.62x54r is dirt cheap and i have no money

[potent vapor]

if you're gonna get an outdated, old, shitty rifle

make it an m14

[celest zealot]

i shit you not i can get a surplus mosin for like $150

[coarse badger]

I'm fairly confident I'm more likely to dig one out of my grandfather's wall than I am to find one in a reasonable price range

[celest zealot]

.308 is more expensive and also i hate that gun on principle

also the gun is more expensive

[potent vapor]

I have way too many guns (I only have like 8 rifles and 6 handguns)

[celest zealot]

i have none yet

[potent vapor]

but you're paying more for more

the mosin is a purely aesthetic piece

[plush swift]

why would there be an inbetween?

[potent vapor]

invest in an FN 57

[celest zealot]

see the part where i said i don't have money

[celest zealot]

im poor

no thanks

[potent vapor]

L

[celest zealot]

also i dont need it

[potent vapor]

basically a rifle pistol

[celest zealot]

7.62x54r is

more than enough

[coarse badger]

Create pipegun

[celest zealot]

to stop whatever it is i hit it with

[celest zealot]

im not a rust player no thanks

[potent vapor]

create a heresy inspired craft gun

[celest zealot]

not about to make a day 1 db doorcamper edition

aka the shinzo abe blaster

[potent vapor]

FN 5-7 is the best pistol when it comes to ammunition, as the 5.7 was designed as a rifle bullet in a smaller cartridge

but when it comes to handling i recommend the sig sauer

of course

[celest zealot]

it's also expensive

and has less power than 5.56

or well

less penetrative force

which is

what it was designed for

and carbines exist already

i am generally just mad at 5.7 because it was obsolete in the design phase

but that's just me

[potent vapor]

it was never obsolete, it was created to go along with the p90

[coarse badger]

I wonder if I can find any old AKs

[celest zealot]

it can't penetrate the armor of the era that it was designed to penetrate

[potent vapor]

AKs are nice, but I'm not the biggest fan of 7.62

[celest zealot]

neither can 5.56

[potent vapor]

its a law enforcement weapon

its designed for class 1 plates

[celest zealot]

it was not designed for that

it was designed as a weapon for rear echelon troops

during the cold war

[potent vapor]

thats fair but thats how it's employed

well

no

incorrect

[coarse badger]

Yeah but I can probably find some 90 year old dead partisan clutching his old service rifle out in the country

[potent vapor]

it was designed as a new peacekeeper weapon for NATO

[celest zealot]

that's not what the trials were for

[potent vapor]

i wish spoils of war were still a thing

[celest zealot]

tested against soviet armor "of the era" (which was outdated when they tested it)

[potent vapor]

i wanna shoot communists and bring home a 74

[celest zealot]

funny that all but one of the countries using AKs aren't communists (anymore)

and i don't count shitty chinese knockoff ak's

[potent vapor]

as somebody that owns a 5-7 and has shot a p90, I'm telling you it shreds flak armor

[potent vapor]

russia's service weapon is a cousin of the AK

[celest zealot]

the armor it was supposed to penetrate wasn't flak

[celest zealot]

russia also isn't a communist state anymore

[coarse badger]

My source?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlCVW_ouL8&ab_channel=silvercomic

[edgy jackal]

40k pls

[potent vapor]

yeah but im an arrogant red blooded american

[celest zealot]

i can tell

[potent vapor]

this nightrad desperately wants to get back to 40k

[coarse badger]

Old stuff some friends painted for me

[potent vapor]

(I want to smash the state)

[celest zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

well i mean different reasons most likely

MUCH different reasons

but the goals remain the same

[celest zealot]

but yes this is likely a good idea

i think the topic has overstayed its welcome

[potent vapor]

im a conspiracy theorist and think america is inherently corrupt and we need an entire rebuilding from the ground up to save our beautiful country

[celest zealot]

apologies for ranting this long**

[potent vapor]

patriot =/= republican

[potent vapor]

oh ya no politics

[celest zealot]

yeah

thats where i uh

started to get worried

i said my piece on it and i think im done now

[potent vapor]

i gotta get ready

[celest zealot]

anyway! back to 40k

[celest zealot]

seeya then?

later, i mean

on the topic of

do we know

when points are dropping

specifically for admech

[coarse badger]

Not that I'm aware of

[celest zealot]

i know that the index is out

[coarse badger]

Probably after all the indexes drop?

[celest zealot]

and the codex should be dropping this year

[celest zealot]

they already all have

as of today

[coarse badger]

Oh then idk

[celest zealot]

all chaos all imperium and all xenos

maybe they drop tomorrow

idk

[coarse badger]

SoonTM

[celest zealot]

yes

but yeah i wanna know what admech points are

cuz i am PISSED that skitarii are 4+ shooting now

and i better be able to take more of them

in a 1k point army

pteraxii are looking good

and everything else i already had looks good

except for my beloved rangers

that they neutered

[coarse badger]

I really want to get a Russ and Dorn rn

[celest zealot]

i love the new Russ model

the new baneblade is sick, too

[coarse badger]

There's new Russ and baneblade models?

[celest zealot]

yep

[coarse badger]

Wasn't aware

[celest zealot]

dropped with the astra militarum 9e codex

[coarse badger]

Only know of the kingly Rogal Dorn

[celest zealot]

thats part of the new range

[coarse badger]

Man new guard were so good

[celest zealot]

id agree but they're not compatible with GSC heads

which makes me Sad

cuz brood brothers

but i mean im probably gonna sell my GSC anyway

since i need space

i love their rules

hate painting that many models

[coarse badger]

I'm still debating getting them or doubling down on my custom chapter

[celest zealot]

id say

focus on one army

at a time

dont be like me

[coarse badger]

That was always the plan

Just can't decide which army

[celest zealot]

id say start with space marines

[coarse badger]

My wallet can barely survive one squad lol

[celest zealot]

they're more forgiving to paint

its good practice

[coarse badger]

Provided I enjoy it, then

[agile junco]

ty

[celest zealot]

idk if i showed it here but i may have stolen your marines' color scheme for a horus heresy test model 💀

i really like the colours you chose

[celest zealot]

yeah

also i mean, shit, if you wanna buy GSC cheaper i can totally sell some of mine to you

shipping won't be cheap but i can probably cover it

[coarse badger]

I'm pretty puritan imperium when it comes to taste unfortunately

[celest zealot]

gotcha nw

[agile junco]

wait send some then
i wanna see if you did

[celest zealot]

there he is

i left the black shoulderpad off

[agile junco]

oh lol i can see what you mean

[celest zealot]

mhm

[agile junco]

i mean only my phobos marines are gonna look even a bit similar
the rest of my blangles will normal red and gold

[celest zealot]

ah i see i see

come to think of it i did only see your phobos

oh well

[coarse badger]

It reminds me of something...

but I can't place what

[celest zealot]

i still loved painting it so thanks for the inspiration

[agile junco]

np

[celest zealot]

even if it wasnt intentional

hehe

[agile junco]

phobos marines being bright just doesnt make sense in my peabrain so went for that black+blue

[celest zealot]

very fair

i mean i just like grittier paintjobs

[coarse badger]

Iirc it used to be that marines would swap to camo patterns sometimes with like

maybe shoulderpads retaining colours?

[celest zealot]

not that i know of

[coarse badger]

It was a loooong time ago

I think

[agile junco]

very fair grittier and more dark paintjobs are usually my preffeernece

[coarse badger]

Same

[celest zealot]

i will be trying out a

[celest zealot]

different color scheme

on my mechanicus

once i strip them, anyway

i'll be seeing if i can use like

the classic John Blanche palette (i know it's older than his works but i cant remember the name of it rn)

and make them a sort of orange/yellow ochre color

like Ryza

[agile junco]

niceee

gotta send that when you do

[celest zealot]

mhm mhm

it'll be mostly practice for my airbrush

and i wont be using any metallics!

or if i do it'll be

very sparing

[agile junco]

oh i did that for my necrons

no metals

[celest zealot]

not exactly NMM

at all

but still an absence of metallics/sparing drybrushes with them at best

[plush swift]

his pallet is an expanded zorn

[celest zealot]

thats the word

thank you

[coarse badger]

The urge to torture myself is strong

[celest zealot]

oh god yellow and black armor

maybe not on your first marines?

yellow armor has a... reputation

[coarse badger]

I know, up there with white when it comes to how crap it is to paint with Citadel

[celest zealot]

listen to corpse starch

get professional white paint

he knows what he's talking abt

even if i cant speak from experience

[plush swift]

I even have the video proof of what I preach

[agile junco]

one of my cryptothralls

[celest zealot]

yooooo

so cool....

[agile junco]

zumikito's necron drybrush vid was my inspiration for the scheme

[celest zealot]

unrelated but i have some questions i think you may have answers to

for like

painting shit

[plush swift]

shoot

[celest zealot]

or well, stripping

so

the primer i used on my skitarii/admech

[coarse badger]

Are you also a certified red enjoyer?

[celest zealot]

is a silver krylon primer

not like

ACTUAL primer

but i used it as that, not knowing better

and i have no fucking clue what's in it

[plush swift]

that is actual primer, which means it will be near impossible to remove

[celest zealot]

fuck

[plush swift]

the hobby stuff is fake primer

[celest zealot]

shhhit

uh

is there any way i can remove it

that wont damage

the plastic

im guessing no easy way

[plush swift]

sort of, if LA's totally awesome doesnt do it, then I wouldnt suggest the next steps for most people

like brake fluid

[celest zealot]

do tell

oh

hmmm

well

i'll see if i can get my hands on LA's

actually, my grandpa might have some lying around....

not enough, likely

[plush swift]

if you're US, its at most hardware stores and dollar general

[celest zealot]

i am

ill see if i can pop down and get some, then

usually comes in 32oz bottles yeah?

[plush swift]

I think so?

they do come in smaller bottles too

[celest zealot]

gotcha

i mean like one 32oz should be more than enough

if i wanna strip all my minis at once

[plush swift]

yes

[celest zealot]

alright

i'll get some as soon as i can

there's actually a dollar general like 10 minutes away from me

once my grandpa gets back from work ill see if i can borrow the car

and head over

[agile junco]

is that red enough 🙂

[celest zealot]

that looks SICK

[plush swift]

not enough red

[agile junco]

i have bangles bro

[celest zealot]

i need to still build my own necron royal court

[agile junco]

😩

ofc i love red

[celest zealot]

i have the skorpekh lord

[coarse badger]

https://tenor.com/view/more-star-wars-kylo-ren-gif-15168091

[celest zealot]

n stuff

[agile junco]

is this red enough

[coarse badger]

Works for me

[plush swift]

no

[agile junco]

lol

[agile junco]

the skirpekh lord is a great model

[celest zealot]

im conflicted cuz like

i wanna kitbash the skorpekh lord with a tech priest

but i wanna complete my pirate necron group

[agile junco]

jusr get a 2nd one off ebay

[celest zealot]

fair

[agile junco]

or use a regular skorpekh for the kitbash

[celest zealot]

yeah

cuz a lord wouldnt fit on a 50mm base

[agile junco]

my pride and joy is my doomstalker tho

[celest zealot]

i also wanted like

wraith tendrils

canoptek ones

to use as mechadendrites

[agile junco]

ooo

[celest zealot]

but i cant find them

[agile junco]

thatd be cool

[celest zealot]

at a decent price

[agile junco]

3d print or get someone to do that for you?

[coarse badger]

I'm going to go design a Captain now

[celest zealot]

dont have one and idk anyone that does

online services are

too expensive

and qualit's shite most of the time in ant case

i mean like i dont NEED to kitbash my dominus

i would just like to

you know?

[wary sonnet]

Why are the Blood Angels so popular?

[coarse badger]

Vampires

AND Angels

[celest zealot]

theyve got lots of games

books

promo material

lore

[wary sonnet]

Mutants, cannibals and team killers.

[celest zealot]

so most space marines

got it

[coarse badger]

Part of the charm really

[celest zealot]

yeah

[coarse badger]

Flesh Tearers also just have a really baller colour scheme

[celest zealot]

i mean eating people's brains literally gives marines a tactical advantage

cannibalism is par for the course

[plush swift]

I'd link you my site but I'm down until the end of july

[celest zealot]

damn

[coarse badger]

I have a friend who could maybe help

[wary sonnet]

Their colors are dope, that's true.

[coarse badger]

He does 3d prints

Not sure on quality though

[celest zealot]

exactly

's what im worried about

[wary sonnet]

Is that legal?

[coarse badger]

Not store legal that's for sure

But if you're doing it for kitbash stuff I think most people don't care

[wary sonnet]

Eh, the only GW store in my country is in the capital.

[coarse badger]

Same, and it isn't even a GW Store

[mental jolt]

I think gw is cool with 3d prints if you design/model the bits yourself as well as print it yourself (the equivalent to greenstuff sculpting), but I haven't checked their rules since I frankly don't care

[celest zealot]

if it's not like pirating their models and uses some original component's its good to go

[agile junco]

angelic space vampires
and the most glorious primarch

[wary sonnet]

They were all glorious.

Aside from Lorgar.

[agile junco]

lorgar was never good

but sangi was the best

[celest zealot]

i can understand lorgar's reasoning but that doesnt make him any less of a bitch

[agile junco]

he was just ass kissing in the wrong direction

[wary sonnet]

There were others, like the Lion, Perty, or even G-man.

[agile junco]

sangi was the best

[celest zealot]

perturabo just pulled the short end of the stick every goddamn time

[agile junco]

you can tell im biased bc i have him as my pfp

[celest zealot]

and also emps treated him and his legion like fodder

he's just an unlucky bastard with an already short temper

i feel bad

[coarse badger]

Wouldn't change

[wary sonnet]

And he saw the EoT.

[celest zealot]

yeah that'd do it too

[wary sonnet]

Like, 24/7.

[celest zealot]

that's why he was so pissed

[agile junco]

perty was a man child
one with veryyyy good reasons to be an ass butban ass none the less

[coarse badger]

Perty's entire character is him being self destructive

[coarse badger]

He had no good reasons to be an ass, he just lashed out because he was a petulant man child

[agile junco]

perty never thought about asking for better campaigns for his legion

he just sat there and took the orders anyways

[coarse badger]

Asking means he's weak

[wary sonnet]

He did what his legion was made to do.

[coarse badger]

But being sent to the worst fronts means they don't care for and hate him

But being sent to the easy, glorious fronts mean they just take pity on him

That's his entire MO, he'll never be satisfied

[celest zealot]

its sad cuz perty is like

really fucking good at his job

[wary sonnet]

He wasn't even thanked for all the shitty work he did.

[celest zealot]

yeah

[coarse badger]

An incredibly good artist and architect

[celest zealot]

he even had respect for Dorn until dorn started getting all the attention

[wary sonnet]

He had this ability that kinda sucked, because he could understand shit just by looking at things.

[celest zealot]

yep

[coarse badger]

"They never liked me"
"But I liked you"
"The affection of mortals means nothing to me"

The entire point is that he'd never be content and he'd always rationalise things as hostile to him

[celest zealot]

Finally gonna go drive to get the LA's totally awesome

Gonna grab a few jugs to be safe

[plush swift]

Shit is magic for cleaning too.

[celest zealot]

That's why I'm grabbing a jug extra

I only need the two

[celest zealot]

Ooooh night lord

I've never seen that model

Is it forge world?

[devout lake]

Nope it's a chosen

[celest zealot]

Ooooh

Okay now I see it

[devout lake]

One of the more recent chaos models

[celest zealot]

I've never done chosen lol

I do have a lot of chaos stuff though

Disappointed I didn't recognize it

[celest zealot]

Okay so turns out they only had the smaller bottles of it so I had to get four but it was only a few bucks

I think it'll be enough?

[midnight locust]

First kasrkin complete

[celest zealot]

that camo pattern is clean mate

love to see it

[midnight locust]

only need to do it 9 more times haha

Thanks for the compliment!

[sudden notch]

What are you using for the dots

[midnight locust]

Skrag brown highlighted by ushbati bone

[sudden notch]

Ok. I have kasrkin too i was wondering what i could use for it

I only have revells brown for potential dots

[lean snow]

Soon....

[mellow bridge]

Not an actual game just a little set up

[sudden notch]

Im already at something like 8 kill teams and ive got 2 more on the way

[celest zealot]

only kill team i got is traitor guard

i love them

[celest zealot]

I've finally decided on colors for my AdMech

I wanna do a sort of yellow ochre themed after Ryza

But not quite exactly the orange of Ryza

And also very sparing metallics actually!!! Hehe

[teal wolf]

Send it!

[celest zealot]

I definitely will :) I'll see if they're ready to strip tomorrow evening after they've soaked in the LA's until then

Might be able to paint a chunk of them on Sunday

Or at least get some initial steps done

If I'm lucky I'll be able to start Saturday evening but I have a busy day then so I don't know

Lots of errands to run and a tattoo appointment that will likely take a while

[teal wolf]

Oooo ink therapy

[plush swift]

Is that dead guard a 3d print?

[plush swift]

Go yellow oxide if you want the opacity.

[naive umbra]

How are all our Xenos people feeling about their datasheets?

[celest zealot]

Yellow oxide? Any specific brand you recommend?

I was just gonna do a couple thin coats of the paint I've got

[celest zealot]

Yep! Gonna get some Mechanicum tattoos

Then being my fav army and everything

[teal wolf]

Oooh that's rad!

[plush swift]

I will always recommend golden

Yellow oxide is the synthetic yellow ochre

natural is more transparent

[celest zealot]

Yep! I don't know specifically what yet but I know I want a Ryza symbol close to my collarbone and maybe some other symbols or canticle script down one of my arms eventually

Maybe I'll get the Metalica fist holding the hammer with "Duty to the Omnissiah" script underneath it

[celest zealot]

I don't have any natural yellow ochre

Synthetic is cheaper anyway

[plush swift]

its not actually, they are the same price really

[celest zealot]

Maybe I'm thinking of something else them

*then

The paint I have is pretty opaque though

From the little I've used it

And besides it'll be going on over an orange base coat

So the color will match pretty okay

Even if it's not completely opaque I want a little bit of that earthy orange to show through

Bring it a bit closer to Ryza colors without it being a direct copy

I still want to stick to the Zorn palette after all, though I'll have to look up some proper color mixing ratios and techniques to get the colors I want

I won't need to do a lot of it

Not the complicated stuff anyway

[plush swift]

thats actually very easy

[celest zealot]

It would be if I had a better understanding of color theory

[plush swift]

the problem is the zorn pallet NEEDS cad red medium

[celest zealot]

I have something close to vermillion

That's uh

[plush swift]

I can give you a basic lession on it at some point if you want

[celest zealot]

About it

[celest zealot]

Someday maybe

I don't need anything too in depth yet

But you've proven to be a wealth of knowledge so far

[plush swift]

I had to memorize it as a whole...

[celest zealot]

And also I'll say I'm not a great student lol

[plush swift]

the entire color theory course is over 300 hours of reading

and it requires a good comprehention of physics

its not something anyone should ever need to learn

[mental jolt]

Basic colour theory is rather easy to pick up on though.

[celest zealot]

I know

Just as easy to forget as well though

If you're me

I know basic shit like complementary and contrasting color use, when to use them, etc.

It's stuff I use already on models

[naive umbra]

@plush swift this arrived today. Thanks for the recommendation

[plush swift]

depends, actual basic color theory or what people think is color theory?

[celest zealot]

probably not what you'd consider basic color theory, i have a more complex than usual color wheel hung up in my workshop and some half remembered lessons from school and that's about it

[plush swift]

which one?

[celest zealot]

idk if i can find the exact graphic

my art teacher gave it to me

[plush swift]

the one I have is incredibly only detailed

[celest zealot]

it has like a little paper dial on it that i can spin to easily see a color, its contrasting color, and its complementary color, as well as a few different shades (which is nice when you're a blind bitch like me)

it's not terribly huge

but it works for my purposes

i'll snag a pic next time im in my workshop

if i remember

[mental jolt]

Actual basic stuff like how to use a colour wheel, cymk vs ryb etc.

[plush swift]

most people dont even touch on the important subjects with that

[lean snow]

Yeah I got a bunch from etsy

[plush swift]

dm me a link, I want to see if I can find the files

[celest zealot]

It's station forge grim guard

I recognize the helmet and mask style

[lean snow]

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1339798844/grim-guard-the-fallen-station-forge?ref=yr_purchases

[plush swift]

yep station forge

cool buying that set

[lean snow]

Literally for just the two. Now i have 13 others that I dunno what to do with yet

Litter them on the battlefield for flavor

[plush swift]

so uhh

turns out I already have it

[celest zealot]

ah nice

[plush swift]

I didnt even remember I did

this is how many 3d files I own

[lean snow]

They're really excellent. Can barely see any print lines once primed

On my contemptor the only official gw stuff is the tiny head and the base now that I think about it

[celest zealot]

I love station forge

I have their corrupted guard kill team proxy

[mental jolt]

you pick up some useful stuff here and there, not everyone needs to know how individual pigments react with other pigments by heart

[plush swift]

I mean, they sort of do? not like to an extreme amount but like knowing a warm tone blue and a warm tone yellow will make brown is sort of important

[mental jolt]

well yeah, but we don't use fancy words like "tone" or "hue" in modelling

:^)

also, warm blue would be a red/purple leaning one, right?

[lavish crescent]

For the basics of hobby painting, you need to know paint theory. You only need to know the advanced stuff when you get further into the hobby

[solid mountain]

Yeah, colour theory is good if you wanna make great stuff

But getting the basics down will take you a long way

[coarse badger]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oF1iWIkNsvlUHByM.pdf

Points

[mental jolt]

colour theory (what to mix, how to mix, how light interacts with things to change colours) helps you even on a basic level. But it's also a hobby, pick up things when the interest shows up, none of it is needed.

[edgy jackal]

We AoS now

[pastel grotto]

Not rigged at all

[copper siren]

i have a bit over 2k points

and haven't painted a thing yet

and 1700 points are still in the mail/hasn't come out yet

xd

[plush swift]

Kind of?

This is a warm tone blue

Warm vs cold tone phthalo

Red shade right, green shade left

[mental jolt]

Yeah, shade, that's what I meant.

[plush swift]

i mean, those terms arent super important to get right

[plush swift]

fucking post office... they didnt deliver my package

[plush swift]

It's here

The color is perfect, the particle size is smaller than scale 75, it's more pigmented any normal acrylic paint, and it can be thinned with water without an issue

[lean snow]

Forbidden koolaid jammer

[celest zealot]

I did some kit bashing to make a custom skitarii marshal, what do we think?

[solid mountain]

Solid

Reminds me of this one fan artist on r/Grimdank

[mental jolt]

that's cool and all, but can you paint with it? :P

[plush swift]

yes

[mental jolt]

curious how it's gonna look once applied, it looks a little bit glittery in the bag, but that could just be medium/packaging/picture/other things

[plush swift]

all mica based metallics will have that look

you cant really break it down super easily

One thinned coat

a few more and it'll be fairly smooth

[midnight locust]

My poor leman russes

[celest zealot]

admech didnt change too much

still got a 1k point army with the models im gonna repaint

[mental jolt]

neat

[plush swift]

yeah its a weird product

the fact I can thin it is huge though

[simple agate]

Progress for tonight

[simple agate]

Had to get em done, just gotta do wheels and the base, gonna make the base look like a road

[timber pine]

some traitor guard i'm working on

[midnight locust]

Kasrkin are very fun to paint

[timber pine]

i can't wait to find a box of em and corrupt em

though i hope they're not pushfit like the black stone fortress traitoris militarum

[copper siren]

made 2 quick and dirty lists of potential fun

i just realized biologis cannot be attached to regular assault intercessors

fuck

[pastel grotto]

Ok

[copper siren]

This whole listbuilding this is exciting

[pastel grotto]

I'm also having fun

[daring pewter]

What are all the armies you can play as?

[coarse badger]

On tabletop?

[daring pewter]

yes

I wanna try it on table to simulator but I need to decide an army, was thinking tau or guard so far

[coarse badger]

Imperial Guard, Space Marines(Stock, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars), Sisters of Battle, Admech, Imperial Knights, Agents of the Imperium, Deathwatch, Grey Knights
Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Tyranids, Orks, Votann
Chaos Daemons, World Eaters, Black Legion, Death Guard, Thousand Sons

I think that's all the main ones

[rare hornet]

Just looked at the ork rules and points for 10th...

Sad Waaaagh

[median thistle]

my eldar army went from 1000 points in 9th to 750...

[daring pewter]

whats agents of the imperium?

[median thistle]

inquisition and assassins

[rare hornet]

So me and @median thistle doing 1000 points of dark angels vs orks tomorrow, time for pain

[coarse badger]

"Kill team models we can't fit anywhere else"

[daring pewter]

Sound interesting

Ill have to look into them

[coarse badger]

So it includes the Navy boarding team, Arbites and Rogue Traders also

[daring pewter]

also is tau not a main army or just forgor?

[coarse badger]

Probably forgot since you mentioned them already

[daring pewter]

o ok

I like how tau sound with huge ranged damage but dont know much about all the marker stuff

[compact umbra]

The cooler version of this is death watch, which are space marines except all their units are killteams

[coarse badger]

"The Guys kill team was based on"

Pretty black and silver colours

+chapter badges

And a host of edgy OCs

[compact umbra]

Yeah

Also all their named kill teams lost their killteam rules

Which is infinitely funny

[coarse badger]

[daring pewter]

what is killteam

[coarse badger]

Smaller scale skirmish game

Instead of armies you have teams of maybe a dozen models at most

[daring pewter]

That sounds cool

[coarse badger]

Also gets a lot of unique sets that are usually ported to 40k also

Like these dudes

[daring pewter]

those kroot guys look really funny

[coarse badger]

They are hyper adaptive shape changing chickens

Have a habit of eating the casualties from battles

[daring pewter]

So is the dog one too?

[coarse badger]

Yup, kroot hound

[daring pewter]

Oh so they are chinese

[coarse badger]

I don't understand this reference but I'm getting negative implications

[daring pewter]

Old ancient chinese battle

[bold violet]

Hey, how are mechanicus looking for 10e?

[daring pewter]

they ran out of rations after the battle so they ate the town

[bold violet]

I feel like guard got screwed pretty bad

[daring pewter]

its pretty well known, though I dont remember the battles name

[daring pewter]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Suiyang

"You have been working hard at protecting this city wholeheartedly for the country. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I cannot cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?"

[coarse badger]

In their case it's less a hunger thing and more just like

Culture and habit or something

[daring pewter]

Yeah figured just showing that the joke is in fact not racist and refrence to a battle

[coarse badger]

But yeah they're usually portrayed as Tau auxiliaries

They've got a pretty health population of regular mercenaries though.

[daring pewter]

Them being part of the tau explains why ive never seen em before

[hearty bear]

Tang dynasty, because yes

[hearty bear]

Tyranids have some broken stratagems though

Shadow in the warp can absolutely ram you into a ditch if you roll poorly

[celest zealot]

i mean

they're not bad

but uh

good is a very subjective statement

skitarii got thoroughly reamed

but everything else seems fine

electro priests look good

[celest zealot]

nvm i jjust saw admech points

we are so fucked

admech are in the GRAVE.

it's been nice

[plush swift]

Why are kastelan robots 215 points for 2

Ironstriders and syndonians now only 3 per unit

Kastelans need flamers because of their weapons only hitting on 4+

[celest zealot]

did you see the skitarii

they're more expensive

and worse

[bold violet]

Why are they so many points?

[celest zealot]

Because fuck AdMech players I guess

Give me back 9 ppm rangers you fucking cowards

[lean snow]

Die admech

Die

[plush swift]

No

[jaunty trail]

Question:

Is it really possible (depending on which scale of points anyone wants to play) with the Astra Militarum to set in total 21 Leman Russ Tanks (different versions of them!) ?! Cuz that would be a lot of "heavy armor" on the field....

In connection to the 10th edition Index etc.

[glossy hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745771035772846574/1119513493859745842/IMG_8540.mov

[plush swift]

woh

[hearty bear]

GW secretly cares about TTS and is getting revenge on the mechanicus for killing all those custodes

[wary sonnet]

What's that? I can't see anything.

[rare hornet]

Poor guy’s got no legs

[obsidian ocean]

Ye :( we already got f'ed in 9th edition now it gets worse

[mental jolt]

9 parts per millions? Or per mille?
Regardless, nine parts for 1k points sounds pretty bad to me

[obsidian ocean]

I guess I'll wait for 11th edition and use the coming years to work on my models or something hehe. Will focus on Necromunda for now

Seems gw forgot that most options and different point costs were there to roughly help balance the game. Simplifying it (which in theory sounds nice) will only make the factions less balanced and leaves less options to play the game

[mental jolt]

They might be dropping extended rules later for "competitive" play, iirc AoS did it that way

[edgy jackal]

If I wanted to play AoS I would play that.

[obsidian ocean]

Really hope you can make smaller specialized fire teams of skitarii like you could do in 8th. It was bit annoying when in 9th they forced you to go the opposite route and turned them into a horde faction, which would have been nice if it was optional instead of forcing mixed weapon layouts that made little sense. In 8th I had high hopes as they just revived admech, seen people claim they didn't have an army before 8th but they should look into rt/2nd edition when admech was a small faction 2 ;)

[edgy jackal]

It is on my list for future projects, but I want distinct games, not AoS rules with a sci-fi skin. Moreover, the current implementation of points/powerlevel isn't well done.

[cinder bear]

Eh, I'll just stick with killteam

[obsidian ocean]

My necromunda gang is about the size of a 40k army so this pause from 40k will solve some backlog issues. Haven't really played kill team much but it sounds more tempting with each day hehe

[coarse badger]

It has nice models

[brisk vapor]

had our first 10th ed games today, Knights vs Marines and Custodes vs CSM. Had good fun and seems like a real nice edition coming up tbh

[celest zealot]

Points per model

[mental jolt]

Ah

That does make more sense

[timber pine]

so 10th ed killed: admech, guard, tau, necrons, gsc buffed: lame marines, custardians, lame knights, knights, cannon fodder with he-man hair, csm, nids, votann

[obsidian ocean]

Yeah, I see it as a blessing to focus on oldhammer/rt models instead. It's a bit of a bummer but by buying old lead instead of new plastic you might force gw to look into it

[timber pine]

glad my backup game is infinity

for fantasy i got aos, frostgrave so all's well

[obsidian ocean]

Sounds your all good hehe

[timber pine]

wonder how nervous and pushy the GW in rotterdam gets with all these factions ruined

[obsidian ocean]

I guess I could change my squat projects to the buffed armies like LoV but that would betray my ancestors :p

[obsidian ocean]

Might check out that event it's only a few kilometers away

[timber pine]

i'm hoping the actual codexes come out before next ed, rather all of em come in the same month ngl otherwise you get the lamer factions with codex against anything not a space marine stuck on index

[obsidian ocean]

Yeah that would be ideal

Would be nice if they just delay a new edition to the point where most faction rules are set and balanced relatively to eachother

[sweet sinew]

Tactical sergeant

[timber pine]

imagine being hyped for world eaters and just getting your codex and spiffy new models and 3 months later the codex is worthless

[obsidian ocean]

Imagine waiting decades for squats to return to end up with the LoV :p

[timber pine]

imagine being a tau player that had to shelf his army for 3 editions and counting due to the rules forcing you to run riptides for 2 of those editions and breaking the army as a whole in the third

[obsidian ocean]

Aw, ye that's bad

I guess my squatmech will be a bit of a protest project. Lot of toilets in there to symbolize dreams down the drain ;) and some fan lore backstory how the magos overloaded the memory banks of a votann with 18+ content to the point that they became a slaaneshi cult, luckily he escaped in time and got rid of his addiction

That ai was heretical anyway

[brisk vapor]

What? Necrons got some AMAZING and fun rules

[timber pine]

good luck getting em in a list with points to spare

[brisk vapor]

they're not even that expensive?

[timber pine]

the fun stuff is compared to the adeptus mediocrus

[brisk vapor]

like what?

[timber pine]

your destroyers costing more than terminators, the entire canoptek line went up in point cost

[brisk vapor]

destroyers are more killy than termies though

and they have very effective synergies with leaders

you can't really compare units just by their base statline and points when you have myriad of other factors playing in the balance of those units

[plush swift]

destroyers also hover so they arent as affected by terrain

[wary sonnet]

🔥

[midnight locust]

Thanks! Probably my favorite elite I’ve painted

[celest zealot]

necrons are looking fine actually

and GSC points are mid as fuck but rules are great

its not gonna stop me from painting and playing admech of course

i just stripped a whole army to repaint them damn it

[midnight locust]

Out of curiosity how did it kill tau?

[celest zealot]

i am going to

assemble a full 2k point army

of admech

and im gonna take them to a 10e tournament

and im gonna fucking win

to spite

whoever the fuck

wrote these rules

and points values

i am SO fucking pissed off at this

[timber pine]

drones are equipment again, markerlights still suck, sealthsuits became less usefull, still no point in having breachers or hammerheads, crisis suits stayed pretty much the same, ghostkeel became shit, riptide got nerfed, stormsurge stays pretty much the same, half the forgeworld kits are just gone

[twilit cliff]

Finished a new one for my feudal guard

Might surgically remove the arms of the lad on the left to make the greenstuff less obvious

[jaunty trail]

Workin' on my Einhyr Champion...

[coarse badger]

Ordering my stuff next week, can anyone recommend a good primer?

[jaunty trail]

I think i'm done...

[jaunty trail]

What brand of colors do you want to order? Citadel or what?

[coarse badger]

I can do citadel, Vallejo, army painter

I think

[jaunty trail]

Do you do priming with airbrush or rattlecan?

[coarse badger]

Don't have an airbrush, first time painting

[jaunty trail]

For my Black Templars i used a Rattlecan of Citadel "White Scar" paint. Vehicles and Infantry was primed very good with it. But Rattlecan requires good weather and some free space outside...

[coarse badger]

Unsure what ideal weather is, but I have ample space

[jaunty trail]

Not too hot not too cold and almost dry... also outside is important that it is not too windy...

[coarse badger]

Can I apply primer with a brush at all

[jaunty trail]

Also possible...

[coarse badger]

Okay because these are the only sprays I can buy and I am

Not certian they're great for ultras

[jaunty trail]

So you want to make Ultramarines?

[coarse badger]

Getting that paint set that came out with 9th ed that has a brush and 3 models to test the waters

And it only really has paints for ultras so

[jaunty trail]

@plush swift what do you think? Your suggestions were always good ones in my opinion... I would go with the grey/white rattlecan....

[brisk vapor]

when I started with ultramarines I just sprayed black and did the blue by hand

[jaunty trail]

Also an option.. I just think black is a bit too intense for priming

[plush swift]

Those are rebranded duplicolor 2 in 1. Just buy that and save a few bucks

[brisk vapor]

I did try with a blue spray for a good while but I started to hate recess shading which took just too long to do carefully which you could skip with a black prime

[coarse badger]

I don't think I can order that

[plush swift]

what country?

[coarse badger]

Serbia

Ok the site I'm using has the regular paints

For Geedubs

[plush swift]

check your local hardware store

[coarse badger]

Christ do these guys never restock....

[coarse badger]

I'll check with a guy I know, hopefully he has it

[plush swift]

well there are better brands, most of those hobby sprays will be rustoleum or krylon anyways

[jaunty trail]

By the way:

Has anyone a tip where i possibly could get the Black Templars Dice set? I missed those out... preferred would be EU region...

[plush swift]

you can get similar ones pretty easily, not exact one though but they are 1/3rd the price and 5x the quality

[jaunty trail]

Etsy or where?

[plush swift]

etsy is a good one, i googled them real quick and found a lot of random stores selling similar ones, however I dont know the trust worthiness of those sites

[jaunty trail]

Okay, then i will look a bit around. A friend of mine suggested to look on Ebay if i want to have the GW ones. Anyways i will order some dices soon cuz i will need them for playing 😄

[pastel grotto]

In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, there is only A-10

[jaunty trail]

A good one for the 1st Legion Astartes

[cursive gyro]

Orkz orkz orkz

[celest zealot]

I swear by krylon primer, shit is cheap as dirt and goes on super thin

[celest zealot]

DA BOYZ

[plush swift]

I dont actually prime anything personally, but I'm using more professional products that dont have the same surface tension issues

[celest zealot]

Army is fully stripped and the only basing elements I'm waiting for are clock/watch parts

I know it's not the cleanest strip job but what's left are super thin coats and they're clean enough to prime

[celest zealot]

Fair but it's still a good measure to make sure your paint doesn't just chip off as easy especially with the paints like 90% of people use

[lean snow]

Anyone have any white armored minis that have been hit with a blue wash

[celest zealot]

Depends what do you need that example for

Or do you want to buy something like that

[lean snow]

Space marine

Im painting world eaters

HH scheme

[celest zealot]

OH

[lean snow]

Ive been told that blue is good on white armor

[celest zealot]

No need for a blue wash on the white armor

[lean snow]

But dont want to commit yet

[celest zealot]

I use grey wash on white armor

[lean snow]

Ive done plenty of brown wash in the past

[celest zealot]

Use a thinned black wash or a thinned contrast like apothecary white mixed with a little black wash

Or give it a coat of varnish and use something like Tamiya grey panel liner

[lean snow]

Ive used thin black on my ravenguard apothecary.

Wasnt bad but wasnt my favorite result

Rip apothecary. Gone forecer because I dont wanna build the rest of his box for 10th

[plush swift]

primer actually does nothing for paint durability

[celest zealot]

You can make your own grey wash

Or even a very light grey wash

Depending on your ratio of black/white ink

[plush swift]

dont even need black honestly

[celest zealot]

Well yeah I know you can get grey ink but I just mixed what I had lol

[lean snow]

Ive made homemade washes before but I already have a lot of pots i need to use

I made a gallon of wash a year ago when I made a screen accurate mandalorian episode 1 suit

[celest zealot]

Ooh nice

[lean snow]

You can still see the wash stains in my driveway where I spilled a year later. Now thats good weatherin

[celest zealot]

Lmfao

I spilled some on my cellar floor a bit ago

[devout lake]

Does anyone know how many points of stuff you can deep strike in 10th edition?

[celest zealot]

idk that theres a limit but it depends on whether or not the unit/model has that ability

or keyword i guess

there probably is a pts limit

but it either hasnt dropped yet

or i cant find it

[glossy hawk]

JUZT DA GOOD OL BOYZ
ALWAYS GIVIN’ A WAAAGH

[celest zealot]

i know i wanted to collect orks at one point

but i decided not to

[naive umbra]

Feeling on the T'au sub is pretty positive. Dunno what you mean by "ruined"

[celest zealot]

Tau are fine

admech also at a second glance

yeah the points are

dogshit

and the datasheets are meh

BUT the rules are really good so far

at least with rad cohort

stratagems

doctrina imperatives

at least it means that turn 1 admech get positives no matter who gets it

you get turn 1?conq imperative

you dont? protector

and with a few enhancements they'll be fine

admech still aren't good by any means but they're not unplayable

[glossy hawk]

@cursive gyro i liked your trukk so i thought you might want to see mine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870540284889546812/1119864280716685342/IMG_8548.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870540284889546812/1119864281123524608/IMG_8549.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870540284889546812/1119864282012717156/IMG_8550.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870540284889546812/1119864281664598026/IMG_8551.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870540284889546812/1119864666148061184/IMG_8553.mov

https://tenor.com/view/behold-stuff-belongings-look-see-gif-21565897

[tender ocean]

Wip characters

[simple thorn]

What Trukk? I don't see a trukk

[cursive gyro]

What trukk?
There's nothin' on the table

[glossy hawk]

zog i fergot it

[cursive gyro]

DAMN YOU

Your trukk is so fukin' cool

Mine was kitbashed a bit too but not because I intended to but because I fucked up the construction and had to improvise

[glossy hawk]

tysm

i like the colors of yours

reminds me of a csgo skin for the nova

my boyz are bloodaxes if you couldnt tell

[cursive gyro]

Mine are a kustom speed-freeks klan

[glossy hawk]

i dig speedfreeks

my army atm is a mix of a dreadmob and speedmob

[cursive gyro]

Wuts a dreadmob?

[glossy hawk]

all the big meks

[cursive gyro]

Oooooh

Yeah, mine is a beeg speed mob
Called it da Mad Mork

[solid mountain]

I really need to paint this lad sometime

[naive umbra]

Is that an older CIB or printed?

[upbeat carbon]

Inquisitor (L) and Rogue Trader (R) ready for 10th

Including proper 25mm base sizes lol

[solid mountain]

It's from the newer Commander kit

Modified a bit so it can be gun

[solid mountain]

The nostalgia!

[naive umbra]

Oh nice, yeah I see it now. I only have the one from newer kit too, but I think seeing it mounted the way you did threw me because I set mine up to have the rotary barrels on the bottom of the gun

[solid mountain]

Gorgeous 👌

[midnight locust]

Thanks, tried my hand at a camo cloak; I think it turned out pretty decent

[gleaming thorn]

Patrol ended

[lofty bridge]

Nice, I'd highly recommend some Tamiya panel liner for the metallic, just place a drop in a crease and it will magically spread everywhere and give that metal a ton of depth

[gleaming thorn]

Good recommendation, but I need to use a gloss varnish in order to do this, and I'm kinda lazy now x)

[plush swift]

you dont

works fine without a gloss varnish

[floral wind]

My Trench Runners Sergeant

[coarse oyster]

Currently painting my first Rogal Dorn Tank. Any comments or criticisms welcome on how to make it better (WIP). I still need to do some of the highlights.

[coarse oyster]

Love it

[rigid ginkgo]

You're bases look amazing but if you want you can get a really good asphalt road type base by using thin sheets of corkboard

[visual turret]

My third of the Arbites I have while I wait for my leviathan order

[coarse oyster]

This looks great, I like the technique.

[zenith glen]

Tallarn X: aka "The Double Diamond" thunderbolt

This model is a proxy for a Thunderbolt. This is for my inquisitorial guard army from the tallarn 12th armoured regiment. I need a name for the pilot though.

[rigid ginkgo]

Prime it Chaos black dry brush a dark grey then use masking tape for the lines

[rigid ginkgo]

You'll want to use super glue for the corkboard then seal it in with watered down pva glue

[coarse oyster]

Yeah , great looking effect. I will likely give it a go. I have done similar types of things with other materials, but never used cork before. I will likely do this for the bases of my rough riders on bikes.

[rigid ginkgo]

You can give your models some good height with them if you don't right

[hearty bear]

“Can I make it any better” you paint better than half the people here bruh I think you’re good

[teal wolf]

This week's project of touch ups

[zenith glen]

[lean snow]

Im cookin something spicy right now

Hopefully by the end of the night I can share

[celest zealot]

let him COOK

i'm also cooking something for admech at the moment

[teal wolf]

How'd the ink sesh go?

[celest zealot]

#darktide-fan-art message

check there

[teal wolf]

oh snap

raaad

[celest zealot]

ty ty

[plain granite]

Progress on my biggest model yet and first real vehicle.

[teal wolf]

looking pretty clean

[plain granite]

Thanks!

[celest zealot]

nice, i love DG

[rapid lake]

https://www.tiktok.com/@virtuallyidiotic/video/7246222860954520875?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7147519486719215146

[lean snow]

Tomorrow, after the texture paint dries, I can varnish and finish with some blood4bloodgod splattering

[teal wolf]

niiice

[sterile grail]

love the corpse below him and the texture.

[deft fable]

I love this vehicle
It was my first biggest model two month ago

[native sluice]

Now that’s what I call “covered in shades”

[wary sonnet]

Looks like it crawled out of a junkyard.

[rare hornet]

Bike go vroom

[agile vault]

Lads n ladies what on earth do i use to remove paint

I regret doing basic bitch death guard and wanna do Lords of Silence instead. Help a brother out plz

[rare hornet]

Incineration

[median thistle]

where ya from

dont use acetone, isopropyl alcohol is generally the most effective from what ive been told

[agile vault]

England

London specifically

[median thistle]

thats fair, apparently dettol works too but ive read mixed results so take that with a grain of salt

[agile vault]

Whats the potential negatives?

[median thistle]

it could be abit messy and might take a while depending on how effective it is

and it might stink

but it wont melt your models

[agile vault]

That was my main concern

The other stuff is very meh

So i wouldn’t care

Just wanna make the cast of the book and change my troops in vehicles lol

[median thistle]

thats fair haha

[signal plover]

Simple green, dettol, isopropyl alcohol above 70 percent. Never use acetone

[solid mountain]

Biostrip paint remover

White gloop, comes in a plastic tub

Nontoxic, no fumes, safe to wash into drainage

Dettol and IPA are a lot of work for not great results

Acetone free nail varnish remover is more effective, but it softens the plastic and stinks

[rapid lake]

It depends on where you live

[plush swift]

biostrip. Dont use IPA, IPA is a secondary alcohol and doesnt affect paint well

[agile vault]

Wow

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