hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

Rampage is just particularly strong but thats an outlier on a class that still has options

[knotty hawk]

My friends do say, and I can see their point when it comes to this, that pickpocket feels bad because they feel like they have to compete with their team for kills

[mighty belfry]

I'd feel that. If it wasn't just one kill.

Now I know that's still a big change compared to the ridiculousness that was prenerf pickpocket.

[knotty hawk]

And on tox scum you can melee a target with bonesaw, get the kill from toxin, and pickpocket doesn't proc

But it's still 20% free ammo

[mighty belfry]

Wel.

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[mighty belfry]

Issue is.

Bonesaw is just mid.

[unreal stirrup]

,it isn't mid it just dogshit

[brittle sierra]

Bonesaw is dog

[manic wolf]

Its pretty bad, yeah

[knotty hawk]

Interesting

[manic wolf]

Swinging through molasses

[mighty belfry]

Now there's an actual complaint to have.

Shivs are crazy good.

[knotty hawk]

I thought it was decent at least, not super strong, but decent

[mighty belfry]

Saw and crowbar?

Eh.

[brittle sierra]

What do you do the moment there is one mauler in the horde?

[knotty hawk]

Well, tox scum just used to shoot them lmao

[manic wolf]

Crowbar at least has meme value, even if its terrible

Bonesaw dont even have that

[brittle sierra]

Shoot into a horde?

[mighty belfry]

I don't think crowbar is terrible either.

[knotty hawk]

Before the pickpocket nerf that's what you could do yeah

[brittle sierra]

Stop

🛑

[mighty belfry]

Just

Underperforming.

[knotty hawk]

I'm not saying that's what I did, I'm saying that's what they did

Again, I barely play scum

[mighty belfry]

You can still do that.

[manic wolf]

Counterpoint; the endless amount of "Get down Mr President"ing you're gonna experience if you dare to use beaky mode

[mighty belfry]

One melee kill on elite or specialist is not a hard ask.

It just isn't as brainless as always shooting your problems away anymore.

[knotty hawk]

And even if you're not going for rampage, both desperado and stim supply have plenty of great things going for them

[mighty belfry]

It does change the dynamic where you do have to get your hands dirty sometimes for your procs

[manic wolf]

Desperado and Pickpocket should have been nerfed harder.

[mighty belfry]

But, for rampage, virtually a nothingburger.

For desperado, also a nothing burger when you also have infinite ammo during ability duration.

Ill say, it probably hits crate scum the hardest if the crate doesn't have much helping with damage output

But then you have hypercrit which just forces your melee to get kills on things you normally wouldn't have on crits so

[knotty hawk]

Alright so I'll have to play scum to force them to stop coping, got it

[manic wolf]

Yes

[mighty belfry]

Just play combat knife scum or smth

[knotty hawk]

Not a huge fan of knife, I'd rather go shivs, tac axe, heavy sword, or chainaxe for the memes

Isn't hsword unironically good on tox scum due to needle pistol?

[mighty belfry]

Shiv then if you really wanna prove a point

Or you can go a step further and run heavy sword and still do crazy damage

[mighty belfry]

It's nice as a defensive option for tox scum

But melee scum

[knotty hawk]

Instant mutant deleter

[manic wolf]

Instant pretty much everything deleter

[mighty belfry]

Rampage feels like it was designed to make that weapon sing.

[manic wolf]

Other than Crusher, an even then

[knotty hawk]

Hmmm, that actually might make me play rampage scum

[mighty belfry]

I be killing crushers with hsword

25% rending on heavies go crazy

[manic wolf]

Aye, hence the "even then", its just that they're slower than everything else that dies pretty much on demand

[mighty belfry]

True. But I can also actually cleave them.

That ain't a benefit a lot of weapons have.

[manic wolf]

It is not, no

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it may not be as fast to kill crushers

But when I can just cleave everything around them

And not have bulwarks constantly cucking me

I can deal with it being a bit slower

[knotty hawk]

For desperado, are autopistols still the thing, or are autoguns competitive?

[mighty belfry]

Vraks inf auto

Has always been better than autopistols

Autopistols are still really strong

[knotty hawk]

Ah, of course, the infantry autogun formerly known as meta

[manic wolf]

"better" is a bit of a misnomer

It's got higher peak output, but you have to spend time headhunting

DAP's/Shredder you kinda just point in the general direction of what you want dead and they die

[knotty hawk]

Yeah yeah both competitive

Braced autoguns too or?

[manic wolf]

Well, yes, but also no. Yes because at the end of the day Desperado Scum is strong with anything, but in comparison to DAPs, Shredder or IAG, its notably worse

BAG sits in a bit of a weird spot at the moment where it niche kinda doesnt really do anything that inst done better by just running a Double Barrel

[knotty hawk]

Fair

[astral canyon]

vulture's dodge uptime :3

[manic wolf]

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your crippling skill issue

[wispy pond]

Is this a solid build to run with shivs and stim pistol?

[thin seal]

you dont need extra rending on shivs

the other 2 subnodes for rampage would be better

not taking nimble is also questionable

[queen merlin]

Its meh. They are right about rending. You don't need it on shivs. Take those two rampage nodes and switch them to the other two.

[queen merlin]

What I run for shivs/knife and needle pistol: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1b9ccbf-c7e4-4d14-8f32-3f4de062dccc

[wispy pond]

i see, ty

[thin seal]

infested on needle pistol?

you mean unyielding?

[wispy pond]

idk about the infested one tbh i just found this build

unyielding yeah

does tghe extra dmg apply to the dot?

[thin seal]

yes

[wispy pond]

thats huge actually

[thin seal]

as long as you are holding the needle pistol

if you swap weapons, it will change to what your melee has afaik

[wispy pond]

why flak and not carapace tho

[queen merlin]

Yeah. Whatever weapon you are holding applies the perk

So you could shoot pistol and switch to melee and the perk extra percent applies

[thin seal]

i just run carapace unyielding on both

but flak is good against most targets in the game, especially with the 21st hordes in havoc

[queen merlin]

Needle pistol does less damage to infest and maniac, so the perk offsets and then add more damage. I can kill anythiung else fine with pistol otherwise

[queen merlin]

I have been running flak and maniac on melee in event missions for obvious reason.

[thin seal]

what infested target are you shooting with needle pistol?

dogs die with 1 shot regardless

pox walker hordes are barely a threat and will also die quickly to the toxin spread or to just a few seconds of attacking with melee with rampage

pox bursters can also just die to poison quickly or for free from a push

[queen merlin]

Just to kill them faster. It is more cya for doing solo quickplay than anything. In a 4 man i adjust slightly.

If i need to i can unload a few shots and swap to melee for he extra damage if needed anyway

[wispy pond]

is nimble or alley rat better

[queen merlin]

nimble

[wispy pond]

i figured yeah bigger dodge window

[flat mist]

And it leta you dodge more often

Lets*

[muted pivot]

You can also just run at them with your knives out, but if they're bunches blue mode is good

[flat mist]

Not running any cdr w/ rampage instantly makes this a garbage build

And you have two garbage perks on the needle pistol

Everything maniac dies from one needle

Two for mutants

[queen merlin]

How very opinionated of you.

[flat mist]

The word you're looking for is inflammatory.

[manic wolf]

Nimble is less funny though

[flat mist]

I was playing alley cat shivs yesterday and somehow threw myself 20m into the air dodging on that super janky rocky path up to a hole in a wall on one of the assassination missions

Was high enough i took fall damage lmao

[fresh brook]

Is gun scum good still? Have people found a good cope melee weapon to proc reliably? Just shivs or bonesaw still or something else?

[manic wolf]

Yeup Way more entertaining

[hexed basin]

autopistol has higher rate of fire which means more crits, more invulnerability

[queen merlin]

No, I chose the correct word. If you want to further define it as inflammatory, on you.

[manic wolf]

The skill issues are showing

[manic wolf]

I mean... you asked if the build is good, the issue lies with you when someone tells you its not an it annoys you

[hexed basin]

does autopistol have faster swapping time than autogun ?

[queen merlin]

I never asked if my build was good tho

[flat mist]

No, you didn't. My opinions aren't dogmatic, stubbornly held or anything else that fits the definition of opinionated.

[hexed basin]

I feel like autopistol swapping is instant

[manic wolf]

You posted it in a public channel, same thing

[flat mist]

Im also perfectly aware when im being a prick, which i was

[manic wolf]

"When in Rome"

[queen merlin]

Opinionated just means firmly believing in one’s own opinion or preconceived notions. So your verbiage lead me to that choosing of words. Don’t have to be dogmatic to be opinionated.

[flat mist]

When in romans

[queen merlin]

Eh, fair.

[manic wolf]

Never been inside a Roman before, theres time yet though

[flat mist]

My verbiage did not indicate that. Saying something is garbage is an indicator of how bad you think something is, not how strongly you hold onto the belief that it is bad.

[mighty belfry]

Crits aren't that impactful on autopistols

Particularly low finesse curve

[hexed basin]

I just need to proc crits to be invulnerable

[flat mist]

You've got a high enough RoF to proc it anyway

[mighty belfry]

You're most likely doing that enough anyway. They shoot insanely fast on a class with innately high crit.

[flat mist]

Just go into the psykhanium and shoot at a bulwark and watch the buff have ~100% uptime

[hexed basin]

yeah the dual autos shoot really fast and swap really fast, compared to autogun

[manic wolf]

Shredder > Space Hi-Points > Literally anything else

[marble seal]

I think they’re about equal if you can make full use of the Uzi mobility

[hearty fossil]

Whoever recommended the crowbar with rage, thank you

[reef hearth]

stimm supply will use the CD of your chem? and when chem is on CD it wont use it and works as normal without it? or u can use it independently as 2 stimms

[keen sapphire]

they can be used seperately but the stimpack will use ur stim if its available

so ideally u use stim and then use pack

not entirely sure why this is

or if its a buig

[reef hearth]

so if i use it like u say stimm and then pack, i can get double the effect/length of the stimm? other way around it will put stim on CD so i cant use it then?

[wispy pond]

do i use the mark 6 or the mark 2 needle gun?

[keen sapphire]

it does seem to stack occasionally but its inconsistent (and very OP), but it does act as a stim use via the stimpack (for the ekystone and whatnot)

[main trellis]

Do you know which enemies have ‚infested’ center body mass responsible for DoT dmg?

[main trellis]

Prickly Irosk

[main trellis]

Nah boi

[flat mist]

The extra rending is 25% damage on crit and 40% damage non crit

Its extremely impacful

Against cara that is

Theres also only one other subnode on rampage they didnt pick, not two lol

Jesus christ two people responding to this build just dont have eyes?!?

@main trellis 🌵

[main trellis]

I would say since uncanny is used its ok; don’t forget shivs just wanna light spam too & potential talent save for smth else is a valid choice

[flat mist]

By not having eyes i meant the comments about how many subnodes for rampage havent been picked

[main trellis]

Yeah… no forges and no power & cleave node is making me… Prickly

🌵

[flat mist]

Are you fkn trolling me

#hivescum-class message

[main trellis]

You know there is that 1 enemy in Final Fantasy games called Cactuar; basically a meme cactus
I call it KEKtuar and i’m feeling like it too

[flat mist]

This build before i kms

[main trellis]

Oh that one
I did not saw that one; i talked about the other one

Still no forges

Pepega

[flat mist]

WHICH IS ONE NODE

#hivescum-class message

#hivescum-class message

[main trellis]

Its called BAG for a reason…
Cause it belongs in a Bag

[flat mist]

I forgive you

But not them

Im literally on the train to see jimmy carr you'd think I'd be less grouchy rn

[main trellis]

Some minor adjustments could be made but otherwise okish

[astral canyon]

Kek tuah

[manic wolf]

Instructions unclear, 500 more SG buffs

[wispy pond]

how solid is bonesaw and how does it play over shivs?

[bronze glade]

No and no

[wispy pond]

?

[warm axle]

its okay with shock and awe, i like it with rampage.

[wispy pond]

anyways also do people prefer mk 6 needle, or mk 2 needle gun?

[warm axle]

one does 1 more tox stack on headshots/crits iirc

[fast surge]

The mk2 has the toxin explosions

But only 1 bonus stack on weakspots/crits

The mk6 has 2 bonus stacks on weakspots/crits

[wispy pond]

ah i see

id prefer mk2 then

[bronze glade]

its just not a very good wep + shivs are really good

[wispy pond]

i see

what stimms do people use when running rampage hive scum?

[heavy compass]

Is blocking on hive scum generally less useful than slide ?

[woeful hill]

they do complete different things

blocking is to save a dodge by using some stamina to block a weaker attack (rager combo, Cspawn tumble, Horde slap). Sliding is to save stamina for movement, dodge ranged, and keep momentum

[bronze glade]

haha get fucked

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

Deserved

[zenith fern]

Oops i reposted

[bronze glade]

the patch notes were looking pretty good until i reached this lol

[wispy pond]

bazooka still good tbh

is 400 to 350 a significant dmg change

[zenith fern]

oh?

[wispy pond]

is it still worth running uncanny on shivs then?

[bronze glade]

i'd prob jump on the precog train

now that they're nerfing uncanny

[restive mortar]

I'm glad they're changing the bazooka back to two charges

[bronze glade]

yeah it really was oppressively strong

[restive mortar]

3 as the default felt too meta for me so I changed to the blinder

[shrewd chasm]

i still dont understand the difference between brittleness and rending... but from what im getting, brittle is one enemy at a time and cant be moved to the next target like rending can... so does that mean uncanny strike is better worse or neutral kinda

[molten shale]

That looks like a situational nerf/buff* to uncanny on shivs, nerf on knife

[wispy pond]

ill try it out tbh

[restive mortar]

Rending is an armor penetration increase for yourself
Brittleness lowers the durability of the enemies armor

Afaik

[bronze glade]

basically

rending is a buff to yourself

brittleness is a nerf to a specific enemy

in the same amounts, rending is stronger

and part of the reason why uncanny was so op

[molten shale]

Depends on what your team is doing. Rending buffs you against all enemies, brittleness buffs your team against one enemy

[shrewd chasm]

ok i think im starting to get it... and yeah bringing that shiv's damage perice over to the 2nd or 3rd crusher in a clump did make it very powerful

[bronze glade]

yea the change makes you stack on each crusher individually first

[bronze glade]

useful for bosses yeah

[shrewd chasm]

so that will make it so shivs in the single target model cand 2-3 shot crushers anymore or no

[bronze glade]

it's def going to really hurt shiv's crusher ttk... but you can just take precog instead ig

and it'll be basically the same as before

so long as you proc precog

[shrewd chasm]

eh im too lazy to change

[wispy pond]

i'll see if my build needs any change

[shrewd chasm]

so i will just learn and get better

[wispy pond]

this makes me wonder, is running the rending talent on rampage worth it on shivs now

[shrewd chasm]

it wasnt? i took it cause i thought rending was always good, i vibe build ig

lol

[wispy pond]

i was told it wasnt that good with shivs when I posted my build earlier lol but it might change now

[astral canyon]

it was already good if you wanted to run precog over uncanny

[wispy pond]

i see

[heavy compass]

Thanks

[dense hollow]

billions must soulblaze

[bronze glade]

Psyker has suffered for too long 😭

[blissful gull]

on rashad, what perks do I run on havoc 40? is it just unarmored and carapace or is it unarmoed and flak? IDK what to do since IDK how to make the breakpoints for bromentum on everything

[low harbor]

nah
jump onto the executor/haymaker train

[bronze glade]

ehhhhxcutor 😭

also don't like haymaker

[wispy pond]

how good is pulverizing strikes talent?

[astral canyon]

pretty much mandatory

[wispy pond]

alr thank u

it looks good

[astral canyon]

its a free extra +50% cleave and +25% power

[unreal stirrup]

strength is calculated before cleave iirc so like

a lot more

[wispy pond]

what curios do you guys use for hive scum?

[flat mist]

What

[wispy pond]

i have some stamina ones but i run 2 toughness and 1 hp

[bronze glade]

heavily build dependant but often 1 hp/tough/stam

or 3 stam

uwu

[mental pollen]

@bronze glade The Omnissiah sees all. No masked links, varlet!

[solemn merlin]

damn

they took one of your bombs

nerfed check dot

they rly hate ya

[low harbor]

yea power level is calculated before everything else from what I remember

it's not actually relevant to total value tho, diff multiplied brackets run parallel to each other anyway

[hexed basin]

I think I prefer Desperado gunscum to tox hivescum
because a real match is often very hectic and gunners / specials are much more of a threat than crushers

especially in pub lobbies where there is no concept of a backline

[bronze glade]

desp scum are ass to play with

they have unlimited ammo yet they'll constantly hoover up ammo

and with any half-decent build they'll top frag for 0 effort

[calm aurora]

Oh noes I need to kill someone in melee...

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falls-walter-falls-falls-over-gif-25169590

[blissful gull]

Does that mean Rashad is kind of screwed going into Moebian 21st since the horde is full of flak?

[mighty belfry]

Run unarmored

21st have unarmored heads

If you get the weakspot kill, the attack basically ignores flak hit mass for up to four targets

[tranquil fjord]

bladed momentum does not need the nerf

[pine flower]

Hey anyone know a hive scum weapon combo guide?

[hollow oar]

So like

Does the bone saw have 4.80% CRIT chance or something

Weirdo

[bronze glade]

just ask here

[flat mist]

Yeah thats why i was saying what

Bc its irrelevant

[gray fable]

toxin cleaver fucking SUCKS

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339337727541772289/1405142093722030192/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.gif

[unreal stirrup]

you're sane

[pine flower]

For Shivs, which MK is more commonly used and what's the weapon combos?

[bronze glade]

Mk1

horde clear is light spam

ST is heavy spam

really high-skill weapon

[craggy stream]

What weapon pairings do y’all like for hivescum?

[unreal stirrup]

holy shit scum nerf

we're in heaven

3 boom bringer is still too much

uncanny nerf

it might actually be dogshit now

[dense hollow]

yeah i think uncanny for shivs became complete ass unless you can reach a breakpoint that lets you kill crushers 1 hit sooner but im doubtful

there's nothing in the game where uncanny benefits shivs

[mighty belfry]

it's not my fav setup

but uncanny does help with light attacks on flak

But I prefer precog a million times over

[dense hollow]

well i mean accounting for the rending > brittleness nerf

[livid raven]

they also nerfed shivs

[dense hollow]

with the adm that shivs already have it seems far more significant to go for precog & riposte now over uncanny

[flat mist]

It already was significantly better

[dense hollow]

it was but the choice is now extremely obvious

you don't even really use bleed or any dots that need rending

[flat mist]

It already was obvious and now uncanny is just bad

[dense hollow]

i guess you could like run knife and stab a crusher in the head twice to get 40% brittle and then switch to your dual autopistols or smth

maybe the idea has potential

[flat mist]

It doesnt

[wispy pond]

I tried riposte build with the rending talent for rampage

Its REALLY good

Are any of the hivescum ranged builds that arent the fent pistol good

[livid raven]

ranged builds don't use the sneedler

but yeah

[tulip sonnet]

auto pistol spam

[wispy pond]

I heard auto pistol is good

Are the stub pistols good too?

[livid raven]

less good

[wispy pond]

Ive heard desperado is fun

[livid raven]

iag vraks still better

and i prefer shredder to auto pistols

[wispy pond]

Hmm

Is dual stub pistols still solid tho

I wanna larp…

[livid raven]

i suppose

[keen sapphire]

yea ig

i always like DP more

better armor punching

and crazy cleave

[livid raven]

i don't think it really has any cleave

tho it can prob cleave a target when the blessings are up

[keen sapphire]

i get collat kills p often with it

[livid raven]

but so can shredder and vraks

[keen sapphire]

i forget my blessings

vraks i get but shredder??

on like

anything other than unarmored

[livid raven]

when you say DP you mean dual autopistols?

[keen sapphire]

dual pistol

thats be DAP

[livid raven]

so dual stub

[keen sapphire]

yeees

idk what they called

i just say dual pistols

[clear isle]

Dap is cool but it feels like their damage goofy when compared to the iag

[livid raven]

what no finesse and shit crits does to a mf

[clear isle]

I took both with crits though

doesn't dap have better crits than the iag?

[livid raven]

dap has miserable crits and finesse

[clear isle]

yikes

[livid raven]

iag has one of the highest crits and finesse in the game

shredder has average finesse and crits

do not ask me why an assault rifle with high firerate and bad accuracy has one of the highest finesse

[clear isle]

fatshark moment

[keen sapphire]

what is instagram autogun

oh infantry

[clear isle]

instagram autogun would be IGA not IAG

[muted pivot]

Fuck no lol, that's the entire problem with them. Still worth it for the mobility while shooting though imo, with how Despy refresh works.

I like to go as little finesse and crit as possible when taking DAPs

Since the guns don't care about it

[bronze crown]

Oh are we back to IAG Vraks V vs DAPs again?

https://tenor.com/view/fight-win-pines-gravity-falls-grunkle-stan-gif-12897342

[main trellis]

not really; DAP bets on high base dmg & very high firerate while IAT bets on crits & weakspots
both good; considering how desperado works however DAP is better overall (as it should be)

[clear isle]

ok so from what Ive gathered

use Dap with desperado and get rid of crit talents

[tranquil fjord]

so shivs just switch to precog, riposte after the uncanny nerf and nothing ever happens

[bronze crown]

Weird the Desperado build I use isn't on Games Lantern anymore. So for Desperado DAP is best and what melee for back up, Shivs Mk I, TAXE or CAXE?

[tranquil fjord]

shivs mk1

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-confused-gif-9617617785901878287

What is the meta Desperado now?

[tranquil fjord]

vraks iag, shredder autopistol, dual autopistols

[bronze crown]

Thanks I got that I should have been specific and asked about any changes to the skill tree this patch.

Extra Pockets got nerfed.

[tranquil fjord]

ig you could run something like this but i dont usually run desperado

itd be nice to run crit aura but that has another useless point tax

[main trellis]

could be better

[north crow]

Uncanny will be unchanged on shivs, they already do 40%

they change all other uncanny to match instead

[tranquil fjord]

they shall do brittleness then though

[dense hollow]

shivs give less brittle to enemies than uncanny strike on other weapons

u'll get like 10% per head hit

knive gives 20% per head hit up to the same limit of 40% brittleness

since you're not really getting rending anymore (after the changes happen) on your first headshots into the next target its just a dead blessing on shivs imo

all the uncanny strike changes do for the shivs is make everyone pick the correct choice in precog & riposte

[livid raven]

Uhh i think it's 2.5 on head hit for shivs, 5% on others

No wait nvm I'm crazy

[main trellis]

nah; Lacerate & Mercy goes hard too; ez bleed aplication, constant 60% weakspot instead of for 2s on dodge for 45% (granted its finesse so also crits get boosted if you miss weakspot), crits on shivs? Shit already crits like a mfker on a dedicated build

[dense hollow]

maybe, but uncanny definetively isn't the choice anymore

[main trellis]

could still be used to boost bleed DoT

but overall yeah

atleast for HS

that is

[dense hollow]

also if the enemy already has 40% brittle from the handful of matches you might run into someone else running a build that applies brittle on everything

then it's literarily doing nothing

[main trellis]

quite; but not that many ppl run brittle

[dense hollow]

not really

[main trellis]

and will run even less

[dense hollow]

but it is a thing that happens sometimes

[main trellis]

cause rotten gets a massive nerf

[dense hollow]

yeah i saw that

is it like hitting the crusher counts as infested adm

or is it infested basetype for dot

[main trellis]

ye they gonna be infested

=

ez

[dense hollow]

dang that seems a bit nuclear

[main trellis]

passive DR ain't gonna mean shit

[north crow]

rotten is gonna be a pushover

[main trellis]

cause purg will just munch infested

[north crow]

ppl will just gun em down

[dense hollow]

going from cara to infested is basically a free havoc modifier now

[main trellis]

thats what happens when devs listen to the majority of minor mouthpieces that dunno how 2 adapt & complain they can't steamroll rotten

pepegas all

[main trellis]

will be 100% infested i recon

=

ez

this will also impact running brittle of any kind

[north crow]

Lol, I didn't really read thru just assumed it's gonna be normalized across the board, shivs really do get half the value per hit. Classic fatshark

[main trellis]

cause why would you...

[dense hollow]

yeah brittle is poop on infested unless u somehow have no infested adm (does this even exist)

[main trellis]

brittle & rending does not affect infested nor unarmored

[dense hollow]

oh

well nvm then

[main trellis]

yeah

[dense hollow]

all of psyker's dots have insane dot vs everything that isn't cara so isn't it just gonna make everything die instantly

and hive scum despacito munching them

or ogryn pbb

idk it seems like a strange change to me

[main trellis]

i mean... its brittle on hit... so... unless it does not work on push from force swords the combo is dead
and rightfully so

[main trellis]

it was to eradicate the dogshit that was 'i apply dot & then spam push att on forcesword or hit weakspot & win' type shit

[dense hollow]

yea yea but i mean like now that they're infested don't they just get all the damage immediately

like all those options are now gonna nuke rotten armor

[livid raven]

the bs of i get uncanny stacks and then flame staff

[main trellis]

i mean duh

[main trellis]

yeah thats why rotten after the update is gonna be piss ez

[dense hollow]

flame staff uncanny was lame but now you can pretend you have max uncanny stacks into rotten armor without building it up

[north crow]

doesn't work like that, the other way around

you flame em up, than apply uncanny and keep holding the sword in hand

I've done a few testrun with penetrating, and you still have 35% crit with 5% on staff + 5% aura instead

which is enough for 100% EE uptime, anything over 30% works

or they can just swap to EP BB and wreck crushers that way

brittle works on BB lel

[main trellis]

even tho its 1.0 amd already vs cara lel

[north crow]

erm

[livid raven]

isn't brittle that pushes you over 1 adm still giving your a quarter of the effect in damage bonus

[north crow]

yes but thats not 5%

[livid raven]

or was that only rending

[north crow]

no it works on both

but 25% efficiency

and penetrating is only 20%

dmg went from 2700 to 3400

altho crit amp prolly procced in there

but still, that's a big difference

I had 2 stacks of 3% for 6% extra from crits

[zealous path]

this is a clip from about a week ago when i bought hive scum but what the fuck is up with his ranged weapons

it's been happening with all of his ranged options, none of my other slots have this issue

[livid raven]

bro thought he could shoot with the vraks for more than 1 second without the sight lying

could be some bad lag compensation

[zealous path]

on 23ms ping?

I doubt it

[mighty belfry]

With these dying ass servers, it happens.

But I'd also recommend the crosshair remap mod tbh

[zealous path]

What I dont understand is why it's only happening with hive scum

[mighty belfry]

So you can get a crosshair while you're shooting

[livid raven]

or the weapon customization mod to get some swag aiming sights

[zealous path]

I was just in an auric trying to have a bit of braindead fun, using autopistols, I run up to a reaper, point blank mag dump, nothing hits

all the projectiles go straight through them

[mighty belfry]

Yeah something ain't right.

[zealous path]

i can even see the bullet trails right through his chest

[mighty belfry]

And it's not Hive Scum specific either.

Even if it seems to be.

Because I definitely don't encounter that only with hive scum.

But I do encounter stints where my bullets just do not register.

Game's been off the fritz recently.

[zealous path]

true that, a lot of shit needs fixing

Very quickly hopped into another auric to get a better clip, IK carapace and all that but you should still see hitmarkers or damage at least

[bronze glade]

Summary:
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.

[tulip sonnet]

gotta ask yall wat are the names u gave to ur hive scum? named mine DrRockzo

[mighty belfry]

Slightly unrelated

But that dog at the end pisses me off so much.

[tulip sonnet]

i feel that dogs and mutants ruin all the fun

[mighty belfry]

Mine's name is Toxy

[zealous path]

i saw it but i had to get the clip, sacrifices must be made

[tulip sonnet]

we thank u for ur sacrifice

[mighty belfry]

I mean it's showcasing a different issue at the same time

Dogs shouldn't be going point blank like that lol

[zealous path]

it was gonna be emploice-muswushands but it didnt fit

neither max-ocupaancy120

[low harbor]

It’s probably server or network problem

[wispy pond]

Is haymaker worth running on shivs?

[livid raven]

i don't think it's ever worth running on anything

[tranquil fjord]

its like discount hypercrit

[limber cradle]

Jacket

[verbal dew]

haymaker is p fun on bully club on mk1 or 2

[vast compass]

Scum

[vapid jungle]

SaneJane

[ember spear]

Why do they keep nerfing the class?

[zenith fern]

Deserved

[livid raven]

they don't have to sell the dlc now

Don't worry, see you at the next broken dlc class

[compact oyster]

Wasnt the only nerf toxin to 350 damage?

[tulip sonnet]

also the chem grenade and missle count recuced by one

[trim wind]

Dead class

[compact oyster]

Oh well

[trim wind]

(sarcasm)

[main wagon]

Fatshark really out here like "please use the mk3 shivs"

[tulip sonnet]

make the mk3 shivs better then fs

[main wagon]

"We've added a blood debt to be paid on death for all mk1 users which will guarantee eternal suff-"
"Dont care, heavy 1 makes me feel like a goblin"

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-gif-13107073

I don't think there's a world where the Mk3's are straight up better where it doesn't just ruin the balance of the marks

Mk1 has to be able to delete shit faster as the single target focused mark, but if its CC gets too pathetic then folks would just use knife
If Mk3's single target got too powerful, what would be the point in using the Mk1?

I feel like the Eviscerator is in a similar boat

[tulip sonnet]

wats the main diff between them? ive only used mk1s

[main wagon]

Mk1 single target with overhead heavies, Mk3 crowd control with horizontal heavy swings

[livid raven]

mk3 has basically no heavy and therefore bad single target, which it can only use with its push attack

[main wagon]

^

[livid raven]

but its singles are much better for hordes

well, not that much better

[main wagon]

Generally I just run Mk1's with Battering

[livid raven]

but sizeably so

[main wagon]

Much more satisfying to land the headshot with the overhead stab than the slash imo

Kinda like unpowered powersword heavy swing versus something chonky like a combat axe heavy overhead

[tulip sonnet]

i made my scum really tiny

[astral canyon]

mk3 also has faster light spam

[main wagon]

Swift Endurance go brrr

[trail cobalt]

Still leveling my hive scum and working on master of war penances but I’m looking to make a dual auto pistols desperado build… what are some of the must have talents for a ranged build?

[livid raven]

i like this

[trail cobalt]

Damn I wasn’t too far off lol! But thank you man I’m gonna have to adjust a few points and try that out later :3

[livid raven]

must have are pickpocket, street tough, hive city brawler, sample collector, nimble, burst of energy, sticky hands and in your face imo

and pick your targets

this is 29 points, i like slippery customer or you can get something for melee

grenade is your choice

[trail cobalt]

Yeah.. might end up putting the free point into one of the good melee nodes just so I’m not too screwed in melee

[trail cobalt]

Have really enjoyed the chem grenade and rocket launcher so far but I’ve still got penances

[livid raven]

i'd pick between those two yeah

i'd say rocket launcher is better as you otherwise suck balls against armor

[tulip sonnet]

what traits/blessin should i use for crowbar? i like it

[bronze glade]

unfortunately it do be ass

but superiority/ oppotunist are the blessings

and prob flakiac for perks

[spare heron]

im a little confused about the needle pistol, whats the point of the explosive strain vs the normal chem toxin one?

like what benefits does it have, i feel like the aoe explosion doesnt do anything

(ive only used it in the psykhanium)

[livid raven]

it doesn't do anything

[mighty belfry]

MkVI special shoots a toxin that causes enemy to explode into an AoE stagger (not good)

MkII special shoots a toxin that causes an enemy to explode and spread toxin around (actually decent for propogating toxin through hordes and getting sample collector value)

[spare heron]

ty

[tulip sonnet]

ty

[pine flower]

Hey anyone can share the weapon combos for Bone Saw and Crowbar?
What's for horde clear and what's for ST

[lavish bronze]

for crowbar hordeclear is heavy spawm in blunt more

for bonesaw

its weird

[warm axle]

i just dont vibe with bonesaw combos

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/bonesaw-is-ready-randy-savage-gif-5299435

[muted pivot]

Bonesaw starts with a push attack

I think you can get 2 sweeping heavies after maybe? Can't remember

[sand tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-13891026599423605719

[lucid walrus]

is there a way to move the stimm locations somewhere else with a mod or something?

[bronze glade]

that's the neat part, you don't use combos

you just light spam

[warm axle]

yeah, i dont like that combos attacks

[north crow]

DT 101

just lightspam

[warm axle]

no

my ogryn-forged instincts demand slide+heavies

[north crow]

I just learnt yesterday that DR passive only works on dodges, not dodge slides

makes me sadge

slidecharging heavies is what ogryn is about

unless you are playing shield, in which case, eeew

[warm axle]

could run no stopping me! i suppose

[north crow]

if only I could spare a point for

can only do giving up NHF

nvm

can do it with Karl

[warm axle]

but no slam ;_;

[north crow]

what you need slam for

with a Karsolas

has the shittiest PA possible

[warm axle]

tru
i like clubs

[north crow]

I would argue, you only need slam for Branx

you can just lightspam Boro to create space

I've started with slam on every build, I've got rid of it on most of em

it looks better on paper than it really is

it's good, but not needed 90% of time

Branx is forced to PA, so I have it there

[low harbor]

rager stagger

[north crow]

not an issue with pickaxes really

[low harbor]

without some impact bonus it's not good at staggering multiple at the same time

[north crow]

altho I havent used Karsolas in a while

been using Boro lately

Branx lost its niche in my eyes

[low harbor]

branx is ok for gunlugger

[north crow]

funnily enough, I been using Karsolas on lugger

feels the best without talents

but yea, if you only use it for carapace

Branx PA lightspam shud be fine

I've tried making headtaker taxe4 work with something not BM on hive scum

but relentless and deci is just so inconsistent

so its still shred or BM

[past trench]

Hello fellow scummeeeeers

Do we have new drip for hivescum yet ?

[limber cradle]

No lol

Trust me, when it happens you'll know

[manic wolf]

*If it happens

[limber cradle]

I have to imagine they'll happen eventually?

[amber sundial]

eventually? yes, in our lifetime? no.

[wide burrow]

how dead is uncanny strike about to become?

[bronze glade]

not very dead for knife

idk about shivs

[manic wolf]

Yeah, knife will be fine, DS and Shivs probably gonna take a hit

At least we can hope

Force Swords gonna deffo get a gut-punch, even with their tweaks

[wide burrow]

i think shivs, due to being on hive scum, are going to be fine

[manic wolf]

They won't become unusable, wasnt what i was getting at, they'll just be less obnoxious

[wide burrow]

the immense damage that stimms and middle ability give are genuinely kind of dumb, and if that isn't enough to get through flak, i think switching to rending stimm won't be as bad

[dense hollow]

shivs are gonna scrap uncanny anyways

[wide burrow]

oh they'd have to get rid of at least 50% of what makes scum scum to make shivs bad

[dense hollow]

10% brittle for headshotting (assuming ur doing it with heavies on a crusher which is the only target that'll matter for this blessing) isn't really that relevant compared to the other blessings anymore

just use precog + riposte

[wide burrow]

what other blessings do we have? i constantly forget

i actually don't even know what my other blessing on shivs is

precog?

maybe... genuinely irrelevant for scum

[bronze crown]

Precog and Riposte are the new Shivs meta.

[mighty belfry]

"New"

What if I told you

It always was

Ever since tree rework tbf

Since it's way easier to get access to rending node for rampage

[bronze glade]

meh

[bronze crown]

Eh I though the new patch nerfed Uncanny Strike so it is being replaced with Riposte.

https://tenor.com/view/confusedslow-gif-22074333

[mighty belfry]

My point is that uncanny was already nerfed for shiv

Before this change

It doesn't give as much rending as it does on knife

[bronze crown]

They made it worse twice?

[mighty belfry]

...Did ya not notice shivs have always had a nerfed uncanny?

It's been like that since Scum release.

Arguably, I don't even think this changes that much in the grand scheme of things

It's basically from 40% rending to 40% brittleness

[bronze crown]

Ok so what are you using?

[mighty belfry]

Riposte + Precog

And I just run heavy rending on rampage

Basically, uncanny on shivs mostly ensures full damage on carapace for heavies and full damage on flaks for lights

But if you have a lot of damage already (Hive Scum), you don't really need the rending.

[low harbor]

it is a nerf
post-nerf uncanny is still rly strong for everything except shivs
for shivs tho I think maybe executor/haymaker would win over it

[muted pivot]

Always was, especially since we get incredible ADMs into Carapace if we crit already

[clever wren]

Also scoomer never needed it to apply rending to toxin dot

[muted pivot]

I'm happier just crit fishing with heavies than bothering with Rending on shivs

I don't take the rending node even off Rampage

Given against anything tough I'm probably sticking some tox on too

The shivs special is absolutely busted imo

[lucid walrus]

could someone pretty please make a build with bonesaw and stimm supply? 🥺

[naive briar]

I’ve been running uncanny with riposte

[muted pivot]

I'd recommend hypercritical but not hyperviolence. I'd probably want a rocket launcher too since it will be tough to contribute to crusher blobs otherwise

[muted pivot]

Give Precog a go if you haven't already, the ratios are so juicy and it synergises with Riposte and that talent that does a similar thing

[naive briar]

Ty, I’ll try it next opportunity I get

[lost ravine]

question is, do shiv heavies count as one hit or two

[mighty belfry]

Good question.

And it would definitely affect things but

I never really thought Uncanny was like

The obvious option like it is with Knife

[lost ravine]

i did because i get annoyed with random armored heads in hordes interfering with my lightspam

same for ds

[mighty belfry]

See I think this is where I see the difference in playstyle affecting a choice here

Cuz I do a lot of heavies intertwined with my horde clear to build up overkill.

Especially since the heavies also have two hit boxes.

[lost ravine]

i think overkill is a really silly mechanic and i don't purposefully try to stack it

(i also no longer play scum)

[mighty belfry]

I haven't played scum regularly recently. It's a little too brain off for my liking atm lol

Honestly glad they're getting hit a little this update.

[naive briar]

No brain, only stimms

[keen sapphire]

i never even used US on scum

[wispy pond]

Precog and riposte are goated with the rending talent, it feels jucier than uncanny tbh but that could be just me

[supple spoke]

I was wondering does the talent where you do 40 percent more damage behind the enemy also count with the missile as well seems like it does

[unreal stirrup]

It's never worth it because of how this game work

[naive briar]

Are you referring to the rending talent for the rampage ability?

[flat mist]

Similar to riposte would be float like a butterfly

[bronze crown]

Any tips for completing the Serial Killer penance ( 20 consecutive headshot kills) with Hive Scum?

[keen sapphire]

stub pistols are pretty good

or one of the vigilant autoguns

[bronze crown]

Ty.

[calm aurora]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-11-6-patch-notes/121381

[muted pivot]

nope, I honestly don't even bother with that because I'm all-in with the crit fishing and that gives way more effective rending when you get the crit

I mean the talent where dodging gives 20% crit

(I do take the rending talent for my tac axe though since it seems to need it more idk)

[iron patrol]

did the tox nerf actually affect any breakpoints?

like, still one needle tap for elites, 2 ish taps for specialists?

[rain tinsel]

It should (not confirmed) still be one tap for elites, it will just do less dot damage to bosses

[zealous path]

Tox was only nerfed on MAX stacks, so no

In fact, I barely feel a difference in general; Uncanny Strike rework, Tox and Blitz combined

fml i need a new keyboard

[iron patrol]

it affects the quad pling crusher takedown then i guess

[zealous path]

I mean we'll be seeing 30% less of them on average so I'll take that trade

[astral canyon]

max stacks means less damage per stack

but it doesnt make much of a difference

[zealous path]

I really didn't notice anything at all so yeah

Boss damage, however, definitely feels a touch slower but considering I could run down a DH by holding S, more than deserved

[vapid jungle]

It should be if you saw a monstrosity spawn in the distance it would be 2/3 3/4 health by the time anyone needed to interact with it

[iron patrol]

i remember just being able to slide dodge a daemon host to death while plinking it, i dont think the 3 extra seconds added due to the nerfs would affect it

[iron patrol]

still is from what ive tested

[zealous path]

Not to say you still can't, but it's just gonna take longer

[iron patrol]

this isnt a substantial nerf as far as ive experienced which is why i asked if this broke some breakpoint i wasnt aware of

[zealous path]

Actually, does remind me I need to check the breakpoints on melee, I didnt actually compare between the old and new

[vapid jungle]

Since it only mentioned max stack damage monstrosities were the only enemy that seemed relevant

Maybe havoc ogryns are effected?

[flat lotus]

i havent played since the skill tree changes, did anything big change

[iron patrol]

this is fatshark, i was fully under the assumption that they didnt just lower the cap but also altered the tox damage applied per stack to reach there

they didnt say they lowered max stacks

they lowered the max damage so it probably less damage per stack overall

its not a big bite off top its small bites off per stack to compound there

thats why i was looking for broken breakpoints

[vapid jungle]

Kuli will hopefully do a new graph

[dense hollow]

tldr hive scum still braindead, uncanny dead on shivs and nothing happened to melee scum

[iron patrol]

melee scum is technically buffed?

since they made uncanny melee only now

[bronze glade]

uncanny was nerfed quite a bit

[zealous path]

Now I pray that the hitreg gets fixed so I can play even more braindead gun builds

[iron patrol]

hitregs broken?

[zealous path]

This has only happened to me on scum but apparently it's been affecting more people

I literally can't use ranged weapons on scum, they just don't work

[fluid ether]

guides are all up to date already

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gunslinger-six-shooter-gun-flip-flip-gun-into-holster-gif-12524647873518510513

that was fast

[bronze crown]

Mods? A Less visual gun shake is what did it last patch.

[zealous path]

I use steady hands, reduces visual recoil without actually impacting recoil patterns / spread

If you meant if the mods are causing hit register issues, tried without mods, same result

23ms ping on EU servers too, guns work perfectly fine on local host like solo or psykanium

[bronze crown]

[daring ermine]

needle pistol bugged ?

[livid raven]

Why

What makes you think that

[amber sundial]

also bugged in... what way?

[daring ermine]

i shot big worm boss with it.. no stacks at all

or mby am high or some thing i dont know

[amber sundial]

lag or server desync most likely

[vapid jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[woeful hill]

Thank God he is a tester for early access

[astral canyon]

no he's kuli

[livid raven]

you know shit is sad when the flame psyker has done the least damage

[woeful hill]

not really

flame often gets least damage when there is a good team

so it sometimes means the opposite

[livid raven]

my brother in christ

it was not a good team

[woeful hill]

Okay

[clear isle]

so if everyone is saying uncanny is nerfed, are yall swapping to other blessings?

or are yall gonna keep using uncanny regardless

[astral canyon]

maybe for shivs

the rest nah

[clear isle]

what're you thinking of swapping? precog and riposte?

[astral canyon]

pretty much

[clear isle]

since those were the big 3 main choices

fair nuff

[low harbor]

can also do executor over precog

[bronze crown]

I am trying to complete the serial killer penace. It shows 7\20. Does that mean I need 13 more consecutive head shots? I don't even remember how I got 7. I have tried using the stub pistols and vigilant autogun and I just can't seem to get it. Is there a mode or mission that makes it easier?

[woeful hill]

Psyker with brain burst

[clear isle]

yeah just go psyker and spam 20 brain ruptures

[naive briar]

So is there a new talent that lets us have extra nades/rockets or is there nothing we can do about this nerf

[iron saddle]

There's always been a perk for the blitz count but it just bumps it up to pre nerf without the perk

[naive briar]

Gotcha, ty

[iron saddle]

Yw

[thin seal]

With the crit and finesse nerfs to the shivs, precog and reposte were also indirectly nerfed too. Just not as much as uncanny

[mighty belfry]

Good

[keen sapphire]

whats the difference to the shiv mks again

spiral is good for heavy and straight is good for light?

[naive briar]

Afaik the only difference is the heavy and push attacks.

Mk1’s are better for big single target dmg, which is why its the more common pick

(Mk1 is the spiral shivs)

[zealous path]

MK1 is just better for everything, vanguard lights and strike down heavies with superior breakpoints

Even after the Uncanny Strike rework, you can just run into a crowd, pop rampage and mash M1 for free kills

[mighty belfry]

Mk3 has better light spa.

Like noticeably better too.

Faster. More cleave. But your single target isn't nearly as good.

It's really a matter of which fits the build better

If it's pure melee, mk1

[low harbor]

It’s just mk1

[mighty belfry]

But say like, a tox build with crate, I'd prefer mk3 tbh

[low harbor]

If u wanted cleave you would use knife mk6 instead

[mighty belfry]

Doesn't attack as fast for stacking toxin ime

[zealous path]

Let's all go back to knife zealot and leave our teams behind

[zealous path]

Mk6 is cleave on heavy isn't it

[low harbor]

L sweep 3 cleave (all light atks)
H sweep 6.5 cleave (heavy 1, 2, and push atk)
H smiter 0.001 cleave (heavy 3, punch follow)

[low harbor]

It wouldn’t matter that much since it would just kill faster anyway

[zealous path]

Didn't realise the assassin strikes had that kinda cleave on them, always thought it was just a one and done typa thing

Then again, I can't see shit, entire screen is perpetually covered in blood or effects

[low harbor]

I hav the numbers in me guide

[zealous path]

That publicly available?

[low harbor]

Yea

[zealous path]

I was tryna ask if you could please slide it my way

[low harbor]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

[bronze glade]

Mk3 is good for light spam

[tranquil fjord]

this works very well

there are more talents i want to take but alas there are not enough points for it all

[vale garden]

How's the patch feeling? Haven't had a chance to try yet

[keen sapphire]

nothing really changed

and tbh precog and riposte were probably better than US

[flat mist]

You can notice the reduced finesse on shivs but still broken

[keen sapphire]

hmmm

slicey shivs are interesting

i'll try em a bit cause i was just in a laggy ass match

good for crowds of anything it seems but sucks against single target

(spiral can also just do both tho)

[vale garden]

Im weird in that i prefer slashy shivs anyway

I only switched to stabby in expeditions cause there was so much crusher spam

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1490089462594666647/431EB71.MP4?ex=6a0390f4&is=6a023f74&hm=eb77b1f0fef4d876259cfb722198176d2df62e4df9c7a0bafdc95244d99b4d88&

yeah mk 3's aight, i guess

[kindred plume]

Personally, you used to mostly kill big things with toxins on it or chain up hyperviolence to the bigger guys.

[main trellis]

Could be better

[flat mist]

Pretty bog standard except for extra pouches

[main trellis]

Exacly thats why it could be better

[keen sapphire]

extra pouch is always nice on rpg

[worn portal]

does lethal proximity increase blackout AOE?

[spare tide]

yup

blackout and boom bringer are increased, chem nades are not

[worn portal]

damn in your face + needle pistol still melts bosses... so tempting to still run that

[main trellis]

Just that crit for tox on a crit weapon & splash damage talent are too good to pass by
Rockets are situational

[keen sapphire]

rockets are when i want something/an area to stop existing

one time i RPGd a plague ogryn and killed it and then died right after

[muted pivot]

What are chem bombs for, then? Apart from to save a talent point if you really want to put that +25 toughness node somewhere else

(my shivs build does that)

[main trellis]

Imagine not taking +25 toughness node
Pepega!

[muted pivot]

I mean there's the lingering element for chokepoints

[muted pivot]

shrimple, don't get hit

Gotta have those rat instincts

The second rat gets the cheese

[main trellis]

Chokepoints, area coverage where you fight in, boss luring

Chems can do more than rockets on average but need to be utilized strategicly
Rockets are an instant answer for ‚this needs to stop now’ moments

[flat mist]

Street tough too

[astral canyon]

Strough

[gray fable]

holy shit mk1 shiv is busted...

it should be nerfed 5 times

[tranquil fjord]

its still better in 90% of situations

than other picks tbh

[rotund agate]

tbh, the only reason why I dislike the shivs is because numeric ui mod causes weird rapidly-increasing numbers that float offscreen because of the shiv throw ammo... (I haven't updated my mods in a while though)

well, that and I prefer chaxe/hsword for melee builds.

[unreal stirrup]

knife > shiv tbh

[tranquil fjord]

so if we do get an admech class shall we get some new maps

[muted pivot]

Tac axe also a lot of fun for melee

But shivs mark 1 are supreme, arguably one of the strongest even before the throwing shiv

Throwing shiv makes them next level

[tranquil fjord]

imagine if you got 90% of zealot but better hive scum:

[lost ravine]

fucked up how shivs come with a free zealot blitz

[bronze glade]

zealot moment

[livid raven]

fucked how shivs come with a free better zealot

[vast cairn]

which outfit?

[high gull]

Ngl the one on the far right look like a dreg gunner

[spare tartan]

I'd go with 2 or 5

[vapid jungle]

3 chrome dome 4lyfe

[livid raven]

did they remove the good push attack from shiv mk3

[iron saddle]

I don't think they reworked any move set for shivs outside the special DMG bump to offset toxin nerf

[bronze crown]

For a Deseprado build now does Shivs vs Taxe make much difference for back up melee?

[tranquil fjord]

taxe is fun but shivs are better

you still take uncanny on them yet

[unreal stirrup]

taxe have much better horde clear though

[frigid adder]

took like a three month break how are people finding the criminal these days?

[iron saddle]

I still enjoy him the nerfs were very subtle in comparison to his class being stronk still

[tranquil fjord]

better than release, a little worse than a week ago

very strong

[frigid adder]

Did he end up being decent for melee or is it still gun grenade focus?

[tranquil fjord]

theyre

very good in all aspects

ranged build got a slight nerf because pickpocket is on melee kills now

[frigid adder]

huh thats a weird choice

[tranquil fjord]

its main drawback was being not so great for armor, but there are less crushers now

[frigid adder]

i guess it makes sense though

[tranquil fjord]

melee is very good

[frigid adder]

I'll have to see if it can replace my joy of abuse of the law

[tranquil fjord]

being able to shoot infinitely outside of the combat ability is

broken

[frigid adder]

true true

[tranquil fjord]

they still probably are looking to tweak it

same with the keystones

shivs are slightly worse without uncanny and with other nerfs but

still very strong on melee and decent otherwise

[frigid adder]

I presume based on the crusher comment, its still good melee vs anything but heavy armor?

[tranquil fjord]

rampage scum could and can deal with it all

otherwise, theyre decent

[bronze glade]

Still OP and boring

[frigid adder]

i forget is that the gun version? No.. that sounds like melee to my memory

[bronze glade]

Rampage is melee

Desperado is gun

Box is… box

[frigid adder]

yeah as i had said earlier been three months lol

I can only hold one games knowledge in my cartridge at a time

[iron saddle]

Melee is diff compared to the two. Scum basically dies in 1 hit of anything. But the trade off of being a blender is worth it

Pretty much a glass cannon

[bronze glade]

Is the glass cannon scum in the room with us?

[iron saddle]

Ah idk I use triple stam curios and I get farted on. wasn't counting rampage.

[bronze glade]

Triple stam curio is still very survivable

With rampage

Which is pretty much always on anyway

[livid raven]

they also removed the stamina malus

[bronze glade]

Yah

[bronze crown]

I love the heheheh Desperado goes brrrrrrrrrrr bullet hose scum even if toxic or melee is better. My ADHD brain needs it. I know it may be "boring" to some but I would rather doge to regenerate toughness with dual autopsitols and do melee as a Zealot with kills doing the regen.

[iron saddle]

Yeah still survivable but can't absorb hits. If compared to some classes

[bronze glade]

Take triple stam on vet and see how survivable you are

[livid raven]

i mean, with the new gang tough talent

[bronze glade]

HIV is basically a dodge tank AND gets a crap ton of DR, if you want it

[livid raven]

and can kick off dogs

[bronze crown]

I run 3 toughness curios.

[frigid adder]

guess i'll have to figure out a melee build again

[brittle sierra]

Uhm akshully, it is an STD 🤓

[bronze glade]

HIV in this game prob all have HIV

[naive briar]

Peak darktide is soloing a horde as a tweaked out gang member with dual shivs

[mighty belfry]

Can't do that no more.

[marble seal]

Holy crap

How did you do that combo

[naive briar]

Idk what sorcery you’ve got going on because I run two toughness curios and still get squashed by crusher overheads

[naive briar]

Custom stimm + rampage ability. I can show you my setup if you want

[marble seal]

I’m not worthy

[bronze glade]

Hive tough and rampage alone give a lot of tdr

Bottom right keystone and another talent or two also give dr

[naive briar]

I think I’m already running hive tough

Will have to check later

[silk flint]

Man I'm so far been fairly unimpressed by the shivs

[bronze crown]

What do you use?

[flat mist]

Literally one of the most op melee weapons in the game

Are you just... not attacking with them?

[silk flint]

Idk it just feels kinda weak with them but I haven't really perked them or set them up yet

[bronze glade]

Are you using non maxed weapons

[silk flint]

Yes because my hive scum is only level 19

[flat mist]

Try something like that

[bronze glade]

Well that’s why lol

[silk flint]

But like I said: So far I ain't impressed.

[flat mist]

Dont need pickpocket or street tough tho

[silk flint]

I didn't say they were bad weapon

[bronze glade]

You can’t judge most weapons until you max it

[bronze glade]

Ok whatever

People will just assume as a basis you’re testing maxed weapons

[silk flint]

Like I do see that they can be good, So far just waiting to finish them out.

[bronze crown]

Riposte is now better than uncanny. 🤓

[silk flint]

Is it? huh

However I haven't played the game in a while as I haven't touched the game since hive scum came out as I played a bit then became busy with life

[bronze glade]

Uncanny got nerfed quite a bit

Options are prob executor precog riposte

Well uncanny still isn’t bad

But shiv uncanny is a lot weaker than knife uncanny

[silk flint]

That might explain why I ain't enjoying it as much

[mighty belfry]

Tbf you're also arguably using the worse mark

Mk3 is good but they're not mk1 lol

Also

Tried mk3 knife with precog and executor

[silk flint]

Mhm, I'll try that.

[mighty belfry]

Executor stonks rising

[mighty belfry]

To clarify, I mean mk3 combat knife. Not shivs

But yeah basically the shiv mk there is considered the worse option. Single target just simply isn't as good with boxcutter shivs

[naive briar]

Yeah the heavy attacks the mk1 has are just too good to pass up on

[silk flint]

That would explain things. I forgot marks exist tbh

[mighty belfry]

I'd use mk3 on like

[silk flint]

As I was thinking that it's weird it's a single target weapon.

[mighty belfry]

A toxin build

But for mostly anything else, mk1 is the better choice

[silk flint]

Yeah makes sense

As I ain't really having a hard time with the shivs it's just that I was feeling fairly underrated by them. Now I'll be sure to switch marks because I do remember them being alot better back when I first started with hive scum

[mighty belfry]

Well, they objectively were better previously.

They caught a cleave nerf before this recent patch, which then hit their crit and finesse values.

Alas

They are still one of the best melee weapons in the entire game

Which says volumes to how gigabroken they were before.