hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

So uh

Yeah.

[pure nacelle]

Oh I know. That's why I ask you guys

[mighty belfry]

I will say.

[pure nacelle]

Cause I'm playing support, which is counter to what anyone does in this game

[mighty belfry]

Appreciate the perfect strike pick on hsword

It's a very good choice actually.

[pure nacelle]

Its the only way to handle flak and carapace outside of chem gun

Reliably I mean

I agree on gunslinger, swapping it out for anarchist for 50% crit.

Pulled long lasting for virulent strain

[jovial heron]

Damn that really is virulent

[flat mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cubeside-cubesidede-cubeside-server-gooning-goon-gif-7133362985823553242

[pure nacelle]

Giggity

[jaunty canopy]

Pardon me, I am using Hive Scum perk "Blessed Stimms” and it seems as if it is not reducing Corruption at all. Is it just that way or?

[verbal dew]

you can't clear a full wound of corruption with talents, ability, aura, etc

only medstims and medicae stations

[jaunty canopy]

Oh alright. That’s strange. By the description on the perk, it sounds like much more. But thank you.

[verbal dew]

yeah zealot aura describes it better

they all work the same

[jaunty canopy]

Yeah i’m used to Zealot. It definitely does explain better. But thank you for clarifying.

[ebon lintel]

What weapon blessings/perks should be on each hive scum weapon?

[jaunty canopy]

I use

Shivs: Mercy Killer, Lacerate
Dual Autopistols: Raking Fire, Run 'n’ Gun

[ebon lintel]

how about perks? Flak/unyeilding=

[verbal dew]

don't bother with bleed on scum

there is no synergy and it does v little

[jaunty canopy]

That’s a shame. What would you recommend?

[flat mist]

It can still do a lot just when you hit 50% corruption it cant heal you back up past that (assuming two wounds)

[verbal dew]

uncanny, precog, riposte

[flat mist]

Riposte & precog

[jaunty canopy]

I’ll check those out. Thank you.

[muted pivot]

Ed Balls.

[astral canyon]

Riposte and uncanny/precog

[north crow]

didn't deci use to start counting on the 2nd hit only?

Testing shred / deci / relentless alongside HT for taxe4

I'm pretty sure deci only used to start counting after 2nd hit before

now it stacks simultaneously with headtaker

[muted pivot]

Definitely precog/riposte, they have good synergy with each other and Shivs gets a weaker Uncanny - Uncanny is still good, but we have great ratios into everything anyway, and we get more juice out of pumping those crits to be as stupid and frequent as possible.#

[astral canyon]

shiv uncanny is still really strong

[pure nacelle]

outside of chem gun, what answer does hive scum have to carapace?

[main trellis]

Oh i dunno… if you use rampage… EVERY melee can?

[pure nacelle]

im talking weapons wise

[main trellis]

Yeah weapons are not usualy ‚alone’ in this you know

As in; talents come in

And most importantly the stimm

[dense hollow]

rending stimm is a solution

rockets are a solution too

if you're using rampage everything is a solution

even dclaw

[astral canyon]

shivs, knife, rocket, chem bomb, axes, crowbar, rampage

[main trellis]

Especialy Dclaw cause also crits

[pure nacelle]

again, just weapons

[dense hollow]

the humble skullcrusher thunderblow dclaw mk1:

[pure nacelle]

im not looking for grenades, abilities, or anything

im talking weapons

psyker has staves

zealot can bleed with any weapon

ogryn heavies stun everything

veterans have recon and a few other things

burger bro with dog can outlast anything by default

[main trellis]

Yeah but requires talents for that; thats my point - talents come into the equasion

[pure nacelle]

what does hive scum have weapon wise outside of chem gun

[astral canyon]

recon fucking sucks against carapace

[pure nacelle]

dont need talents for a psyker with a flame staff to kill a reaper

[dense hollow]

reaper isnt carapace

[pure nacelle]

say that to burn crit

[astral canyon]

still sucks lmao

burn does fuck all damage against carapace

[pure nacelle]

humor me and try it

[main trellis]

Lemme tell you this; even on desperado with rending stimm you can chew carapace with Dual Auto Pistols; this class is that dumb

[pure nacelle]

not when you're shooting 30 plus rounds, 15 of them crit, and you have 15 stacks of burn

[main trellis]

So its hard to simply answer your question

[brittle sierra]

Burn dot is mediocre into cara

[dense hollow]

you're asking for how to deal with carapace on scumm

everyone is going to answer how to use scumm to his best abilities

[brittle sierra]

Tbh you shouldn't be using any range weapon at all for cara enemies

[pure nacelle]

im a support main with chem pack for allies and buffs

ignore rampage and everything else

what weapons deal with carapace?

^

that question

right there

[brittle sierra]

Shivs

[pure nacelle]

thank you

[near mauve]

shivs, combat axe, chain axe, crowbar ect ect ect ect

[pure nacelle]

any other suggestions?

[astral canyon]

burn literally deals 10% damage vs carapace

[pure nacelle]

noting this. appreciated

[main trellis]

Shoudn’t; still works

[pure nacelle]

chem gun solves my carapace problems, but i cant rely on it all the time

[near mauve]

why are u ignoring the blitzes and ults tho
scum is a class with a melee blitz that enables every melee weapon to turn into a blender

[pure nacelle]

because i like helping people

rather than doing what zealot does

[main trellis]

In that case
Chainaxes
Crowbar
Shivs
Knifes
There you go

[dense hollow]

okay so use rending stimm

[brittle sierra]

You can help your team by killing everything

[pure nacelle]

appreciated

[dense hollow]

now everyone kills carapace instantly

rending stimm crate

[near mauve]

take bazookas and shivs

cara solved

[pure nacelle]

cant do rending because higher CDs mean i don't keep the buffs up

[main trellis]

I like you already

[pure nacelle]

have to go with two node builds

[brittle sierra]

That's not how stimm CD works

[pure nacelle]

so

when you have two nodes, the CD is 21

[mighty belfry]

It is though.

[pure nacelle]

combo that with Practiced deployment

[astral canyon]

if you only have two nodes on your stimm its doing fuck all

[pure nacelle]

and you have spammable chem packs for days

[dense hollow]

if you're not playing havoc 40 in the gas modifier

[mighty belfry]

It's just a matter of if you can proc sample collector enough to make it more frequent.

[dense hollow]

then you really dont need to make your crate 20 seconds

[pure nacelle]

meaning everyone gets flat bonuses throughout the fight

[brittle sierra]

They are talking about the CD you get from the stimm lab

[main trellis]

No need to have short stimm tbh
I use maximum 75s cd stimm on crate & its perfectly fine & good

[pure nacelle]

^

[mighty belfry]

Oh it's a different stimm now?

[main trellis]

New brand

[mighty belfry]

I recall the stimm yesterday being strength with this fellow.

[pure nacelle]

having a 20cd booby trap on chem pack helps more than i care to admit

[pure nacelle]

changes on the group

[mighty belfry]

Or was it damage reduction.

[main trellis]

Its more of a bonus

[pure nacelle]

if its melee heavy, attack speed

[mighty belfry]

Oh well. Doesn't matter. I know it wasn't CD

[pure nacelle]

if its ranged, +dmg

it was dmg reduc this morning with an ogryn and zealot

[astral canyon]

two nodes is barely anything though

[pure nacelle]

not from my experience

[mighty belfry]

Two nodes

Is more impactful than it seems

[brittle sierra]

I wouldn't take cdr nodes if I was going crate with sampler collector tbh

[mighty belfry]

If I'll be honest.

[pure nacelle]

have a 20cd bomb, buff, corruption reduction, toughness boosting pack on demand helps more than it sounds

it also triggers dependency perks

[mighty belfry]

Tbf this isn't much of a selling point

[pure nacelle]

thank you btw for the suggestion for taking out long lasting. btw

[vapid jungle]

The additional stats for all is better than any of that

[pure nacelle]

hehe, i may be a hive scum, but im not selling anything

[mighty belfry]

You're inevitably going to get to three or four stacks either way because of sample collector

And the fact that you don't need to wait for stimm effects to go down for your stimm CD to start

[brittle sierra]

I just don't see the point of CDR when the sample collector always comes up faster than the ability cdr

[mighty belfry]

That being said

So we're talking CD stimm

Because if that's the case

Two node is not good for that.

[pure nacelle]

listening

[mighty belfry]

CD branch is mostly good when you're fully investing because of the last ends of the branches having far more significant effects to CD

Two nodes is.like

[main trellis]

It is

[mighty belfry]

12.50% CD?

That's not really significant at all.

[pure nacelle]

oh, im not doing the CDR nodes

[astral canyon]

that is prob like only a second of cooldown reduction

[pure nacelle]

i mainly go toughness, damage, or attack speed

i dont do CDR

CDR isnt nearly worth it

it might be viable with a high CD team, but outside of that, i dont see the use

[brittle sierra]

I go stam and damage

[pure nacelle]

damage is just universally good

[main trellis]

Its always good no matter the ability tbh; durration of them don’t change much
Remember; ABC = Always Be Casting

[brittle sierra]

I used to in havoc 40s tried Regen and stam

Just so that my team can't get squished by 5 bosses

Idk if Regen is that useful tho except in specific situations like being trapped in gas fields

[vapid jungle]

Stun immunity is pretty awesome for the team

[main trellis]

Its still bugged to my knowledge

[pure nacelle]

it absolutely is. i cant count how many times just topping off someone's toughness prevented them from taking chip damage

[mighty belfry]

Considering it's replenishment now

It's actually pretty good for stimm crate

[flat mist]

Literally every melee weapon

[jaunty canopy]

Thank you

[cedar hare]

new to hivescum, does bleeding stack with toxin?

[muted pivot]

Combat axe is really fast for it too, 90% ADR on heavies vs carapace

but you can also just needle gun the feckers

[livid raven]

Any dot stacks with any other

As in, they do their own thing

You should probably not have anything with bleed tho

[pure nacelle]

Duly noted.
Been experimenting with shivs and heavy sword so far. Doing knife, then combat axe.

[muted pivot]

I quite like the combat axe for desperado actually, it's good enough to do anything you need it to. Most people use it on a rampage/adrenaline build but I get good mileage out of it on auric in despy

shivs are absolutely excellent

gold star flagship weapon of the class

[main trellis]

Vietnam

[wooden flax]

I might be huffing copium but if anyone's heard anything about this potentially happening then please let me know!

[north crow]

play a fotf piety zealot with taxe / knife

scum is that but with more dmg and no safety net

[manic wolf]

Probably not. Don't think they've done a freebie run of Arb' either

[wooden flax]

They haven't, nope :( I own Arbites but Hive Scum are my favourite by quite a long way

[livid raven]

don't think they ever done a trial of any class in any of their game

[main trellis]

On another note

Pepega take from the boi... like... hes so wrong on many things... about this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAubJmpZOb8

[mighty belfry]

I looked at it.

He's not far off.

I seriously dislike the Beast of. Nurgle as it currently stands.

It's not even a matter of difficulty. It simply is just not a fun enemy to fight.

[muted adder]

Yeah, Beast of Nurgle is easily my least favourite boss

[mighty belfry]

It hasn't been since I've started the game and it's arguably not any better now.

[muted adder]

It's just kinda annoying to deal with without being a significant challenge

None of the bosses are especially fun, honestly, but the Nurgle beast is bottom of the pile

[main trellis]

correction; NO enemy is technically fun to fight

[mighty belfry]

I like Plogryns tbh

[main trellis]

cause they're ez

[muted adder]

Plogryn is my favourite, but they're also piss easy

[main trellis]

and thats why its your favourite

subconsciously

[muted adder]

It's my favourite because it doesn't have an annoying grab or a shield

[mighty belfry]

I wanted Packmaster in base game because its actually an engaging fight to handle compared to the other bosses

[spare tartan]

It's my favourite because I can counter his charge by using MY charge

[mighty belfry]

But Fatshark doesn't like fun apparenty.

[molten shale]

Does liking chaos spawns the best reveal preferences for bondage?

[muted adder]

Oh yeah, packmaster exists now

Shame it's not in any of the good content

[spare tartan]

It's funny how they brought his hounds but not him

And the alternative puzzle

[main trellis]

yeah; ez

[mighty belfry]

Because they're the only boss that doesn't have some awkwardly bullshit grab.

Chaos spawn has it and has a weird dodge angle for it and at least as of recently

[main trellis]

yeah like... they are also soo rare... like VERY RARE; like a shiny pokemon

[mighty belfry]

Getting grabbed doesn't stop things from targeting and killing you.

And i mean targeting you while you're grabbed. Not that they were already targeting you.

Same with BoN

[verbal dew]

chaos spawn is prob the one I enjoy fighting most, then it's plogryn, and last burgle

[mighty belfry]

I'd like chaos spawn more if the grab was more intuitive to dodge

[muted adder]

Even if this is true, does it matter?

[verbal dew]

plogryn gets the downgrade for the amount of times you just get flung off the map

[muted adder]

True, the ledging never feels good

[main trellis]

yeah; cause when many say similar things the game gets turned into such trajectory... then the tourists leave & game remains

[pure nacelle]

I'm dumb.
I'm a crit heavy attack heavy sword and I'm not running Float like a Butterfly lol

[mighty belfry]

Dude. Even really high level players don't like BoN for a reason.

It simply isn't engaging. It's not challenging. It's a nuisance.

[muted adder]

I don't fully understand what you said, I'll be honest, but it really seems to me like you just want to be a contrarian

[mighty belfry]

It's just an annoying enemy that doesn't really add anything interesting to the game.

It's there to be a area denier. And that's it.

[muted adder]

Beast just isn't fun, and the grabs in this game are awkwardly implemented

[mighty belfry]

Oh also I fucking love getting eaten when I don't have the debuff btw

[verbal dew]

get hit with 1 morsel of puke, burgle speedruns towards you and swallows

[mighty belfry]

That is such a cool, awesome thing that definitely should be happening.

[verbal dew]

spend 2 minutes in its stomach because there's so few ways for ppl to stun it to get puked up

[mighty belfry]

Yeah sometimes it really just doesn't spit you out.

Ever.

[verbal dew]

it also runs away when it has eaten someone

like what

[muted adder]

Yeah, not a fan of its weakspot placement: it makes sense visually but actually getting the game to register a hit with a melee weapon is a chore

[verbal dew]

runs in to fire and then you're just dead because it has already corrupted your wounds

[mighty belfry]

So it's also just not even behaving as intended in quite a bit of occasions.

[main trellis]

i'm neutral to every enemy by default
Only the type of a build i play & modifiers with terrain i fight in shift my neutrality to either side
otherwise does not matter; ppl hating = they play either smth that gets countered by it or they're bad or can't/refuse to adapt/learn; their issue

[mighty belfry]

You seem to think this is about the boss being difficult.

[muted adder]

As previously stated: BoN is easy like every other boss

[mighty belfry]

It's not.

[main trellis]

no boss is difficult in this game; no enemy is; only combinations of things are

[muted adder]

I don't like it because it's poorly designed

[main trellis]

thats why i'm neutral by default

[mighty belfry]

Papa. Look at what we're saying for a moment and stop being contrarian please.

It's not difficult. It's unengaging.

[main trellis]

example; i don't care about bulwarks when i use a chainaxe but will care of i'm pure range scum with a knife - there you go; should paint you a picture

[mighty belfry]

And arguably broken.

It's just not a well designed boss.

Regardless of what you run to deal with it, the behaviors, how it approaches you and how it tries to make things difficult is just completely uninteresting.

It's a blockade that has some annoyingly broken interactions.

[muted adder]

Yeah, people are capable of not thinking something is fun even if it doesn't pose a challenge

[mighty belfry]

There's nothing fun about it. It's just there.

[main trellis]

ok; what enemy is then in this game? Gunners spamming at you? shooters scattering on every corner of a wide open area & taking turns on shooting ya? bunch of maulers taking tunrs on trying to turn you into a pancake? Plasma twin firing non-stop at you & throwing stinky bombs & kicking you away?
Cmon bruv; majority of things by themselves are not engaging in the slightest in this game; combinations of them do and BoN fills one of the puzzles in a grand picture of a fight you partake at that moment

its like a dish; plain potatoes are obv bland but when you add butter & milk & salt you make a fine mash & thats peak

[muted adder]

Here, a good example is Monster Hunter: Zorah Magdaros is very easy and is also not fun, and Behemoth (Extreme) is not easy and is also not fun, this is because both boss fights are just shit

[mighty belfry]

All of those things you named. I have no real issue with. Those things to me, are engaging and reasonably up the ante for difficulty.

[main trellis]

me 2

[mighty belfry]

And arguably those are a lot more difficult to deal with in a vaccuum.

[main trellis]

especially when combined

[mighty belfry]

But BoN?

[main trellis]

thats the point

bon is the same

[muted adder]

Yeah, the regular enemies feel like they combine to create situations which require proper decision making to solve, whereas the Nurgle Beast creates a situation where I have to deal with an annoying child who won't stop vomiting for 2 minutes

[main trellis]

bois hate bon cause can't kill instantly (unless zel meme) & punishes overaggressive head on approach

bois don't wanna strategize

[mighty belfry]

I DONT WANT THE ONLY ENJOYMENT I HAVE KILLING A BOSS TO BE A ONE SHOT DAMMIT

[main trellis]

or are unable

[mighty belfry]

You're legit just missing the point entirely here.

[reef spoke]

To be fair, it just wants to play with you :c

[muted adder]

Yeah, you either don't understand or are choosing not to understand

[mighty belfry]

It's just not a fun enemy to fight compared to many other things in the roster.

[main trellis]

then take enjoyment of overcoming an obstacle with the build you have; find a reason or stay disengaged

[mighty belfry]

I don't want to one shot a boss as the only way to reasonably have fun with it.

[manic wolf]

The slug is just a mobile barrel which sets itself off when it so chooses, it doesnt require a great deal of strategy, just enough space to reasonably kite for a bit

[main trellis]

you dont have to

this is a team based game after all

combine forces

[reef spoke]

"BoN can now spawn in elevators"

[main trellis]

think

and overcome

[manic wolf]

Mind you, exactly none of the boss enemies are particularly dangerous

[muted adder]

So does the flamer, who's more interesting to play around

[mighty belfry]

THE BOSS IS NOT DANGEROUS

It's not about overcoming shit!!!

[manic wolf]

Well... Outside of Twin's shield pop insta kill because thats a thing, for reasons

[mighty belfry]

It's just not a fun fight!

[reef spoke]

I'd argue the Pack Master COULD be dangerous if it could actually spawn

[mighty belfry]

I was so excited tonhear

[reef spoke]

Bullying a little puppy

[main trellis]

no fight is fun when the consequece is losing yes

[mighty belfry]

That we were getting a new boss.

[mighty belfry]

You seem to assume I have to win to have fun.

Extremely misguided assumption.

[reef spoke]

It's been over a month Fatshark, you can move the Pack Master to the normal games now...

[main trellis]

that... is very true... i wish it could be a dreg exclusive boss for example; fit them more (i think... carapace dogs... with dregs tho... i dunno)

[muted adder]

Deeply reductive view of challenge and games in general

[mighty belfry]

Kind of a cringy assumption if I'll be completely frank. Playing to win all the time is boring.

[reef spoke]

The debuff is no joke :c especially with other mobs railing you. I can see it being very tough unless you just no-hit it

[main trellis]

i don't assume shit; fun in fighting & overcoming stuff is fun - does not need to end in a victory mind you

[manic wolf]

Expeditions reminded me how fun Darktide is when you're losing I'm not gonna lie

[main trellis]

masochims

[muted adder]

And yeah, I really want Packmaster in other content

[reef spoke]

Then your team does a zone 1 extraction for no reason UwU

[main trellis]

wait... some ppl did that?

[manic wolf]

Piss the whole map off as quickly as possible, then try to complete all the objectives under incredible pressure. Well fun, even if you die to some stupid shit

[muted adder]

I also really want expeditions to be good

[mighty belfry]

#hivescum-class message but you kinda did assume that.

[reef spoke]

Early on yes

[main trellis]

your interpretation

[reef spoke]

We got a data core thingy and they just headed to extract

[mighty belfry]

I can lose a fight and have my fun with it.

[manic wolf]

Yeah that was a thing for the first week or so.. sadly

[reef spoke]

It was funny having to suddenly pivot to an extract the first time

[mighty belfry]

Which is where I'm coming from here. It's not that BoN is like

[main trellis]

but why

[mighty belfry]

Impossible to fight obviously

It's just.

Bland.

[reef spoke]

I guess people thought you could only extract the data core thingys?

[manic wolf]

Fucked if I know mate 🤷‍♂️ Why do Vets still try to cheese On Overwatch? Same sort of conundrum

[reef spoke]

I mean it was certainly the safest option I suppose

[near mauve]

BoN behavior is inconsistent and stupid

[mighty belfry]

And the main ways at this point that it can even be a real concern is when it's doing behaviors it's not even supposed to.

[near mauve]

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[mighty belfry]

That's not good design.

[main trellis]

to a man who does not observe it maybe yes

[reef spoke]

Honestly I just wish the Assassination bosses lived longer because they have a banger music track

[manic wolf]

I try not to observe it tbh, shit's an eyesore

[main trellis]

it has very visible animations for what its gonna do & proper timers in between

[mighty belfry]

BoN's objectively are not supposed to keep you in its stomach forever.

They're also not supposed to eat you when you don't have the slime debuff.

[main trellis]

oh cmon; they made plushies of it
PLUSHIES!!!

[near mauve]

Bon pros: actual pressure/threat in a crowd (for all the wrong reasons)
BoN cons: literally natanyahu

[mighty belfry]

Guess which of those two things it does.

[near mauve]

Observe Deez nuts

[mighty belfry]

If you guessed both, you'd be right!!!

Something about its behavior has been way off for a while now.

I just don't know when it started.

[main trellis]

yeah; they don't; there is an icon on your buff bar that indicates you were slimed

[muted adder]

I've never seen BoN be normal

[manic wolf]

What? You don't like being grabbed through a wall and then dragged to your demise three rooms away inside its gut?

I never would have guessed 😄

[mighty belfry]

I've been eaten without it.

[main trellis]

ppl not paying attention & stating wrong shit is pepega

[muted adder]

They do it all the time

[reef spoke]

I mean what if you have a vore fetish? BoN is literally the only good boss

[mighty belfry]

I have went back into recordings to ensure I'm not just going crazy.

[muted adder]

I've been eaten and seen plenty of people be eaten as the first thing it does, before there's even bile on the field

[manic wolf]

Well thats rather telling...

[near mauve]

I love BoN eating me then the game summoning 10 flamers to roast me Alive

[mighty belfry]

It seems like as long as it's managed to hit you with the goo at all

[reef spoke]

Consider your audience and all that UwU

[mighty belfry]

Even if the debuff runs out, it can just decide to eat you anyway.

[main trellis]

maybe before when buff bar could hide icons but now? You most likely did not payed attention; i though before they could eat you when you even stand in its bile after puking but they don't
You can only get eaten when you get slimed

[manic wolf]

Lmfao. You're a funny fucker, accept fr

[mighty belfry]

This has been after the rework to buff bar.

[reef spoke]

Na na it's the "other" people that like it. Trust me, I'd never project UwU

[mighty belfry]

Papa. There are now two people telling you this can happen. I've had to look back at recordings to make sure I wasn't going crazy.

[main trellis]

You're basically in an oven

[mighty belfry]

It just happens sometimes.

[main trellis]

then ye; you simply missed the icon

[manic wolf]

I've been ate without being sick on too mate, it does happen. Burgle can just decide "fuck this heretic in particular"

[reef spoke]

Yeah the icons being "hard" to see made BoN seem inconsistent. Especially because you can get "slimed" without being puked on causing confusion

[main trellis]

yeah; a heretic; not us tho

[mighty belfry]

You mean the footage I went back to, to make sure i was debuffed?

[reef spoke]

I think thry fixed it though

[manic wolf]

I mean, to them, we're the heretics if you really think about it 🤔

[reef spoke]

Should be fine to rely on the buff bar now

[mighty belfry]

Dude this game isn't perfect

[main trellis]

You have footage?

[main trellis]

i wanna put the spiderman pointing meme

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[mighty belfry]

Probably not now. This was a while ago when I was playing a Dark Communion run. But i got goo'd, saw the debuff, waited it out, saw the debuff icon go down

So I made the decision to go around and hit the baxk

And then it ate me

[manic wolf]

Yes it is. Its in a perpetual perfect balance between "fucking great game" and "oh lord this shit is so broken"

It's really quite impressive

[main trellis]

you didn't wait for it to dissapear perhaps

[mighty belfry]

Okay apparently I'm blind.

Papa.

This game.

[main trellis]

could also be latency remember

[mighty belfry]

Is buggy as shit sometimes

[main trellis]

like microseconds

[mighty belfry]

Yeah but that's still not a good thing!

And it was several seconds after!

[main trellis]

well connection you won't fix when you connect EU to NA duh

you have to cope

[reef spoke]

It's like there's a cycle of decay and rebirth....no surely not UwU

[mighty belfry]

You are just finding every excuse to make for a boss just not behaving consistently.

Good God man.

It's actually frustrating.

[main trellis]

lol no? I simply do not agree with the Regis arguments vs BoN; a boi who should know better of all ppl btw

who is experienced

[manic wolf]

I never thought about it like that 🤔 We must be mere moments from his holy garden..

Ahem

[mighty belfry]

If the experienced person is mentioning these things

Maybe.

Just maybe.

It's not all bullshit.

I don't agree with everything Reginald says.

But on this one, I can't find real fault.

BoN's just been an annoying enemy for a while and arguably has gotten less consistent in its behavior over time

[reef spoke]

Clearly we need a boss that everything loves to fight and is always consistent

I propose to Fatshark the Crusher Apocalypse UwU

[mighty belfry]

Like

Well

[manic wolf]

Remove slug, add Rotfly.

No more complaints about BoN because everyone is dead to the Rotfly

[mighty belfry]

Just about every enemy in the game really.

[manic wolf]

What is Darktide's most consistent enemy at this point even?

[reef spoke]

A flying boss is added -> Zealots on suicide watch

[mighty belfry]

A rotfly would be more engaging

[reef spoke]

Probably mutants? They always do exactly what you expect

[main trellis]

would rotfly even fit in tight corridors of this game?

[raw sierra]

this is my current build, what changes can I make for a bit more survivability?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah honestly

[reef spoke]

They also have no audio issues that's for sure

[mighty belfry]

Annoying mofoa

[brittle sierra]

Bullwalks 😈

[manic wolf]

Mutants can have their own jank, like when they do the 360* round some object they're not supposed to do anymore

[mighty belfry]

But mutants are definitely one of the better cases in this game.

[muted adder]

Flying enemies would absolutely be a terrible thing to add that would just not work for the game that Darktide is, but...

It would be funny

[reef spoke]

Yeah they're not flawless but they never do some bullshit that you can never react too.

Even when they pop out of doors, they stand and yell first

[manic wolf]

Probably not, but thats kinda the point, it wouldn't be flying most of the time, it'd be filling a corridor

[manic wolf]

Thats true enough, there is minimal "wat" type moments with Mutants

[reef spoke]

Smiker detected -> yoinks the psyker and leaves

[muted adder]

Yeah, mutants are probably the most consistent enemy

[tranquil fjord]

you could try to make the point for jittery somewhere

[muted adder]

They run and they grab and you dodge and swat them on the arse

Very simple, hard to fuck up

[tranquil fjord]

otherwise, theres not much else other than the stim

[manic wolf]

Maaaan. Now I wish they put Rotfly as a flying enemy in Expeditions...

That'd be funny as fuck.. About to cross to the next zone an out of nowhere it scoops up the Psyker an he's never seen again

Would be peak

[reef spoke]

The worst mutants did was clip you through the ground. But that's funny map design imo

[manic wolf]

Or ledge you

But that was also kinda amusing

[reef spoke]

Oh true, would be the perfect gamemode for that

[reef spoke]

Oh lol didn't know they did that

[mighty belfry]

Your build is perfectly fine

[reef spoke]

I wouldn't doubt it on some of the maps we have though

Fucking Glorianna frozen map...

[manic wolf]

They did a long time ago, not for a couple years at this point though, FS did (mostly) fix that

[mighty belfry]

You could change something to put jittery there but jittery isn't really necessary either.

[manic wolf]

Still happens on occasion, but it doesnt feel purposeful like it used to

[reef spoke]

Ah that's good c: I was worried it was a latency issue or something

[mighty belfry]

Just nice to have.

[manic wolf]

Yeah, now all you've gotta worry about is being carried/thrown into that 100m wide lake of bomber splooge over yonder instead aye

[reef spoke]

They're going to do the fucking Inferno event but with tox bombers. I just fucking know it

[mighty belfry]

We already have that

[reef spoke]

Easily one of the hardest events

[mighty belfry]

It's called Pox Gas (Pox Bombers).

Yay Havoc

[reef spoke]

Indeed, but consider scab bombers too UwU

The Emperor's light absolutely does not shine when I see pox gas

[manic wolf]

Bombers, the on death puddles modifier and environmental gas

Plus Poxhounds now emmit pox gas as they run around the map (they've got bad arses)

I can totally see that as an event down the line

[mighty belfry]

As if I didn't have enough reason to hate poxhounds

[reef spoke]

Thankfully the armored poxhounds don't pop up

The last thing we need is more carapace armored enemies

[manic wolf]

Instructions unclear, new enemy type is a carapace armoured, Ogryn flamer

[reef spoke]

If that happens, I might have to be an Arbites main

[flat mist]

I love jittery

[mighty belfry]

I don't use it personally

[iron saddle]

Same jittery feels like a meh perk least in just aurics/maelstrom. I haven't touched havoc since scum release though so no opinion there

[unreal stirrup]

it was redundant

then they gave scum +1 dodge

now it literally a trap

[flat mist]

Im just bad and like being able to spam dodges without thinking

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-xenoblade-xc2-xenoblade-chronicles-2-indol-gif-363013247950941195

[blissful gull]

What perks on Rashad?

[bronze glade]

Unarmored carapace

[blissful gull]

Why unarmored?

I thought it was unyielding/carapace

[astral canyon]

bruiser breakpoint

[blissful gull]

What are bruisers? Also, is the breakpoint for havoc 40?

[astral canyon]

one of the fodder enemies

unarmored makes one shot breakpoint more consistent

[blissful gull]

It can’t one tap without it on havoc 40? Even with adrenaline and rampage?

[astral canyon]

and because rashad relies on brutal momentum it is the difference between killing 4 in one swing and taking 8 swings

[mighty belfry]

To be frank.

It can hit the breakpoints without unarmored on scum

What you mainly want unarmored for, is the overkill potential.

Because 25% extra damage on an armor type that Rashad already does a crapton of damage too results in way more HV feedback.

[flat mist]

Hi, Frank.

[lucid raptor]

what happened

[vapid jungle]

Sometimes you click nodes and they don't get highlighted. This is a Fatshark game after all.

[unreal stirrup]

you don't need unarmored to hit bruiser bp on scum

take sweet spot on the left

don't even need to stack hv beforehand

I think the only class that need unarmored on caxe is psyker?

[molten shale]

I think it's for bruiser one-shot with 0 headtaker stacks (otherwise 3 stacks required IIRC)

[reef cliff]

hi, where can i see meta build etc?

[flat mist]

Is that with frenzy up?

[molten shale]

Yes adrenaline, no rampage

[low harbor]

It’s all 5 for accessibility

[muted pivot]

Does UA give better HV farming than Flak then?

[muted pivot]

There isn't really a great central resource for Scum, but this channel is a good place to start. If you let us know what fixed points you want in your build (e.g. a particular talent or weapon that you like) then we can have a discussion to help you shape it into a well-rounded build

I think the high end meta revolves around crates (short cd bomb crates and long cd megabuff crates) and rampage mostly, don't see many people taking desperado

[verbal dew]

former crate is fun

you also invalidate all the extra corruption dmg you take in havoc

[flat mist]

Yes because groaners

[cedar hare]

Is it just me or do gunner enemies have better tracking against scuum? I get hit significantly more while sprinting, and the dodge duration seems to last much shorter

[flat mist]

But you sacrifice gains on ragers

[flat mist]

Scum has a passive that makes you get hit less by gunners than other classes

[cedar hare]

Sure as hell doesnt feel like it :(

[flat mist]

I dont quite get the justification for unarmoured on caxe bc having rampage up or three stacks of headtaker seems like a pretty low bar for reaching the bruiser breakpoint without it, but im sure @low harbor can explain in more depth

[low harbor]

u need smth like adrenaline + headtaker both up at same time without rampage

I think it's nice for consistency sake

and u do get more overkill

[flat mist]

Yeah adrenaline + 3 headtaker stacks

[low harbor]

but I also think flak is a very good alternative

if u don't want unarmored on combat axe then run flak

[flat mist]

Not sure if unarmoured gets you there w/o adrenaline

[low harbor]

flak is notably better vs scab rager and scab shotgunner

[flat mist]

Bruiser breakpoint aside, do you think the UA overkill is better than flak overkill?

Like just the overkill in isolation

[low harbor]

it depends on what breakpoints u get

because if flak just barely 1 taps scab shotgunner then u don't get much overkill

but if u just barely don't 1 tap scab shotgunner then u will get a lot of overkill for the next atk

[flat mist]

Hv modelling has too many variables

Mishits and crits complicating things too

Just disengage brain and slap unyielding cara on everything

[low harbor]

I think most melee weapons that don't suck vs carapace go unyielding/flak + carapace now

unyielding if not good at killing bulwarks

[flat mist]

Been messing around with revolver as a sidearm today and realised it can get to 156% crit chance lmao

[low harbor]

flak if good at killing bulwarks

and then the ones that suck vs carapace go maniac/unyielding + flak

but I usually do unyielding + flak for those

[flat mist]

Ill err towards unyielding over flak depending on how efficiently i can stack toxin too

Eg running shivs or needle

Altho flak hits some breakpoints with pocket/splash too

[low harbor]

Flak stocks have just gone up pretty significantly since 1.9 buffed scab enemy hp

Before then it was just good

But after that I’d run flak even for weapons that already do well vs flak

[flat mist]

I was screwing around with this hot mess + uncanny flak combat knife and the tox aoe numbers were pretty silly

[low harbor]

the guy's face at the top perfectly summarizes what I think abt this build

[flat mist]

Haha yeah it was just maximising splash/pocket memes

Kill one elite and drop a blackout and everything just carks it

[main trellis]

The vid time stamp is perfect for the entire pic

[muted pivot]

I am a weirdo who is taking the Rashad on my Desperado build though

Rather than a more typical rampage one

If I go Rampage I tend to take shivs or tac axe

[unreal stirrup]

rashad doesn't require tons of investment

oh nvm i can't read

also caxe fuck with rampage

+75% strength + 50% cleave make your cleave quite good before even accounting for bm

[main trellis]

Btw you know you don’t need to grab the tox nade talent to get virulent right?

[unreal stirrup]

in havoc

it's blender mode

[flat mist]

Yeah i know

[main trellis]

The connector is… not visible

And i’m afraid many ppl don’t know this
Good that you do

[flat mist]

I spend way too much time on build editor to miss things like that

[flat mist]

I forgot to take cheapshot in this meme

Goodbye TDR

[calm aurora]

we're not used to friendly connector

it took me 2 or 3 runs to realize it...

[reef cliff]

Now i'm running with crates and stimms, using bonesaw and needle pistol

[muted pivot]

Fun combo, I do that sometimes

Always take the top and bottom modifiers for crate iirc

Middle one is just for if you do the shortest-length-stimm for havocs really

[reef cliff]

I'm using all three ups

I want to try a rampage build, i tried one but i feel useless

[astral canyon]

Rampage is insanely strong

[austere coyote]

rampage may have felt useless cause you were on a bad melee

[astral canyon]

Nah

Rampage legit makes any melee work on scum

Its either a build or skill issue

[main trellis]

Crazy what att spd, str & cleave can do to a weapon ey?

[rough peak]

Who woulda thunked that this combo is strong

Certainly not fatshark

[astral canyon]

+75% strength, +20% attack speed, +50% cleave, two shouts, can be extended to ridiculous durations

[main trellis]

On a relatively short cd too

[astral canyon]

What were they cooking

[vapid jungle]

Gun to your head rampage or scriers gaze

[astral canyon]

Rampage cause scriers would involve playing psyker

[vapid jungle]

What if you could take it on scum?

[astral canyon]

Still rampage tbh

[main trellis]

Rampy is more broken than scriers by a long shot

[vapid jungle]

Yah i think its the premier steroid atp

Gonna have to change the buff scriers memes to buff rampage

[astral canyon]

The main thing scrier has over rampage is lingering buffs and letting psyker ignore their core mechanic

And also being on psyker and working on more than just melee ofc

[vapid jungle]

The additional finesse/damage would be so juicy with shivs/knife

Hyper critical to the moooon

[astral canyon]

Yeah but like

Would it be doing as much as +75% strength is doing

[vapid jungle]

Naur

[gilded ledge]

Hello, question for high havoc. Mk2 pistol the use is. Yellow into bosses and ogryn. Blue into everything else? Also, Saw what is the purple poison for? What do people use it for? Is it brittleness stacks?

[astral canyon]

You dont use purple on bonesaw

Tbh its not really a good idea to use bonesaw in havoc generally

[gilded ledge]

Sure, I just started because I'm checking out different stuff. Ive been using shivs and tacaxe. OK. So my sense was correct, its just chem on the saw. I couldn't see a benefit to the purple even into armor.

[astral canyon]

Takes too long to swap and tox already does well into armor

No need for brittleness really

[gilded ledge]

Is the pistol usage I described correct?

[astral canyon]

Eh idk

Tbh i just never bother with the blue mode

Ive seen a lot of people talking well about it but like

I couldnt care less

[vapid jungle]

Where i would use blue I prefer melee

[astral canyon]

Horde clear is one of the last things scum is going to struggle with so i never saw the point of blue mode needler

[unreal stirrup]

desperado needler was funny

[neat delta]

We must all tell FS to put crusher on Scum

[gilded ledge]

Its not either or, on the way in I clip dump blue into mixed horde

[manic wolf]

Crusher and Shovel

[vapid jungle]

frying pan hscum when. Special slings hot vegetable oil at enemies.

[bronze glade]

i wonder if dlc classes will ever get new class-specific weapons

[astral canyon]

Doubt it

[dense hollow]

the base game classes get blessed with a single new weapon extremely rarely as it is

[main trellis]

Yeah
Power falchion
Relic blade
Pickaxe
…
Thats it tbh

[bronze glade]

yeah not holding my breath

[main trellis]

[bronze glade]

the new shovel marks came later right?

[dense hollow]

dont forget force greatsword

[main trellis]

They were the first tbh

Forgot about them

[bronze glade]

yeah i mean they weren't one of the original weapons at release

they were added later to the class

tho that was a while ago

[main trellis]

Ye forgot about the meme

So

[bronze glade]

moonlight greatsword

[main trellis]

Every base class got a weapon

Thats good

DLC classes might not get any cause they are paid…

[dense hollow]

well they already have plenty of toys to play with

they get 90% of what base classes have barring a few things and an extremely funny option class exclusive

[main trellis]

UNLESS fatfish releases a weapon for a base class AND for a DLC class simutanously

Cause if they add an update where they add a weapon only for arbies for example its gonna create discord in the community

[astral canyon]

Scum also already six different exclusive weapons

[dense hollow]

arby has like 3 exclusives right

[astral canyon]

4

[main trellis]

6

[dense hollow]

i forgot the suppression shield

[main trellis]

Its 6

[astral canyon]

Not counting different marks

[limber cradle]

I'd count the two shotguns as individual weapons, they've got the two shields, they've got their maul

[main trellis]

I count different mark cause those create different builds

[dense hollow]

if we're counting arby's kit he has 7 because the doggo is best boy

[astral canyon]

ASM, shield+maul, exe shotguns, shotpistol

Meanwhile scum has shivs, crowbar, bonesaw, daps, stubs and needler

[dense hollow]

none of the scum's weapons have a mark do they

[leaden fable]

Shivs do and also needle pistol

[dense hollow]

oh yeah

[astral canyon]

shivs and needler

i imagine admech will also release with 6 weapons

[limber cradle]

Admech hypothetically soon right?

[astral canyon]

its next content update

[limber cradle]

So like

2 months?

[astral canyon]

at most yeah

[limber cradle]

Cool

[astral canyon]

we already saw they have 3 melees and both arb and scum had an even split between melee and ranged

though maybe one of the ranged options will be sharing plasma gun with vet?

[wooden flax]

Day 2 of begging Fatshark to give Hive Scum a free weekend so I can finally play it

[north crow]

guestion for the mathheads

[astral canyon]

it aint happening

[north crow]

bonesaw blessings?

[astral canyon]

shock and awe

[north crow]

do I still need shcok and awe

didnt they buff it

[astral canyon]

no?

they didnt do anything with bonesaw

[lavish bronze]

i wanna help you mister

[manic wolf]

Ahh, you found the leak too huh?

Well, both of them I should say

[high gull]

We need to
Someone to put a memo in for more cosmetics for dlc characters

[muted pivot]

It does have its moments, it can be really nice to just plug 6 randos in a mixed horde that's coming around the corner and letting them all just fucking die from it for a very cheap ammo cost. It's like a long range, janky flamethrower

[astral canyon]

i feel if they were going to do it they wouldve already done it

[muted pivot]

Isn't it usually shock&awe and decimator?

[astral canyon]

shock and awe then either shred, decimator or wrath

[tranquil fjord]

i hope admech shall have a plasma pistol

although, then i would want it for other classes

[lavish bronze]

if anything

vet would get plasma pistol

[astral canyon]

from what i know plasma is a fairly iconic weapon for admech

[lavish bronze]

in addition to admech that is

[astral canyon]

so i can see them sharing plasma gun with vet

and its not like it would be the first time of a weapon that was previously class exclusive be shared with a dlc class

[manic wolf]

Transonic gear is probably a safe bet for something unique admech will get

[astral canyon]

it is one of the leaked weapons

[manic wolf]

Galvanic weapons also

[manic wolf]

Oh another leak? Datamine I would guess?

[astral canyon]

wdym another

we only had one weapon leak from what i know

[manic wolf]

There have been a few it would seem, the others mention class abilities and blitz'

[astral canyon]

i havent heard of any blitz leaks

and i only know of one ability that got leaked

[tranquil fjord]

where are these leaks to be found

[manic wolf]

According to one of them, one of the blitz is ||deployable servoskulls||

Enhanced blitz sorry

[reef cliff]

so the one with explosive crate no?

[astral canyon]

#theorycrafting message

i dont have the image of the leaked weapons

[tranquil fjord]

oh so its just

servogun from sm2

[astral canyon]

but it was like a transonic blade, another power sword weapon and something else i forgot

[tranquil fjord]

damn

will they get relic blade?

[astral canyon]

why would they?

[manic wolf]

Yeah doubt they'll get that

But a Transonic blade is probably gonna be crazy strong so no real need for it either

[astral canyon]

and another power sword type weapon

[tranquil fjord]

its up their alley but

[astral canyon]

though it will probably work more like falchion/relic

[tranquil fjord]

theyd probably just have a normal power sword

[manic wolf]

Aye, that'll be good too. Wouldnt be shocked if there is a maul or something involved too somewhere as FS seems to like those

[astral canyon]

nah the third melee was also some sort of blade

no blunt weapons

[manic wolf]

I'd be really shocked if there were no blunt options

[astral canyon]

according to the leaks there aren't

at least for class exclusives

they may get shock maul

maybe crusher

[manic wolf]

Hmm.. yeah, maybe Shock Maul, maybe Crusher too i suppose, but thats maybe a bit less likely

Ye

[lavish bronze]

things busted

[astral canyon]

idk how strong it will be here tbh

[lavish bronze]

yeah

[astral canyon]

there is a lot of different variables that make it really hard to guess

[unreal stirrup]

maybe admech would have electricity focused talent

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[unreal stirrup]

smyker holocaust

[manic wolf]

Given the trend with Arb and Scum, i have no doubt the class is plenty strong, however all the blitz and abilities being good out the box day one is debatable

[unreal stirrup]

I mean both scum and arb blitz are all good ootb

[astral canyon]

will shooting hordes with the class not be a dumb idea, how strong the aimbot will be, how much control the player will have over the aim, will it have target priority for elites/specials or will it be as likely to target a poxwalker as it is a gunner etc

[manic wolf]

They are now, not so much on thier releases

[limber cradle]

Release arb dog be like

[manic wolf]

It'd be a very big ball drop to have it target enemies at random tbh

[lavish bronze]

arbs was around the same as now

got some well deserved nerfs

[manic wolf]

Nah, Casti' has been tweaked recently i beleive and they toned shock mines back a bit if you dont have dog

[astral canyon]

castigator is a lot better now with +20% strength and buffed blessed armaments

[unreal stirrup]

no bleed cap lmao

[astral canyon]

but overall im pretty sure its still btl sweep

[manic wolf]

Yeah my money would be on that too

[manic wolf]

NO.

NOOOOOOOOOO.

[limber cradle]

What a funny era of elden ring

[manic wolf]

The fuckin PTSD from those bastard cunts is real

The funniest thing about is that the Fromsoft dog enemies have barely changed over the years and they're still as much of a pain in the dick as they were back in the day

[limber cradle]

Dogs and rats

That's the enemy that really gives me PTSD

Ds1 infinite poise break rats

[manic wolf]

Rats are less bad in ER I feel compared to DS, but that being said, weapons in ER have a lot more root motion to their attacks so you're not sniffing the damn thing when you swing at it most of the time

[limber cradle]

A lot of my favorite weapons (colossal swords) go right over the fucks

I think Milady opener poke does too

[vapid jungle]

The caelid dogs that used to one shot with bleed💀

[manic wolf]

Gugs hitbox change proving to be frustrating once again

[manic wolf]

Yeah, that one wouldn't surprise me, but that attack is very dookie compared to JR2/Neutral R2

[limber cradle]

Yk, I should replay elden ring again

I can tell myself I'll do a diff build that is yet again quality+faith buffs

[tranquil fjord]

i hope they learned their lesson from release hive scum and wont give them a shitty launch talent tree

[manic wolf]

Better off with STR/Faith tbh

[limber cradle]

Buddy this is FS

They don't learn lessons

[manic wolf]

Quality builds kinda suck till past 200

[limber cradle]

I've been watching them fuck up the same shit for 3 games

They'll fix it, eventually lol

[limber cradle]

Great news

[tranquil fjord]

i like putting more points into damage at level 150 just to do less damage than a strength focused level 125

[manic wolf]

I've got no toons above 150 because the quality of invasions goes down the toilet if you into brackets above that

[manic wolf]

Aye, STR is very meta

[limber cradle]

I'll be deadass

[manic wolf]

Two Handed tali was maybe not the best thing to introduce with the DLC, but hey ho, nor were things like CoN, the Duelling Shields and funny lag-grab sword

[limber cradle]

The best Invasions are like

Level 90 ish

Invasions suck for different reasons at all tiers tho

Lowbie pvp sometimes it's the hosts first day on earth and they kill themselves

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah no you're not wrong there, the game balance could be called dubious and it would be generous for sure

[limber cradle]

150 is "I made this build exclusively for pvp" which imo makes the builds less fun to fight

250+ is either I can do everything anime fighters or like

The biggest idiots you've ever seen

[tranquil fjord]

elden ring invasions make me cry

[manic wolf]

Ehhh, I kinda get that, but you tend to also get good opponents at 150, so even if most of the time you're fighting STR builds on repeat, they are good fights

[tranquil fjord]

theres nothing really new or enjoyable to fighting the usual blasphemous billy or bleed build

[manic wolf]

I don't see the need to go beyond that though cos the spam can be horrendous even as low as RL100, going towards 200 or more an players get so many points to spunk into mind you'll just be eating onion rings for 10 minutes each time you invade

[manic wolf]

Play on seamless, its where most of the decent players are and the connections don't suck shit like they do in vanilla PC

[manic wolf]

Well, they suck shit less of the time, its not perfect, but it is on the whole much better

[limber cradle]

He's like level 218

Bonus points if you can guess the weapon from that spread lol

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. you can definately see the extra stat bloat on that fella

[limber cradle]

Defo

I don't need to cast

Like to tho

[manic wolf]

FKGS most probably given you mentioned Colossal Sword

[limber cradle]

Fk, yeah

One shot machine go brrrt

[manic wolf]

Aye, its a fun weapon that, all the best bits of the movesets

[tranquil fjord]

but i play on ps4 because my pc isnt powerful enough for elden ring

[limber cradle]

It's got a literally phenomenal moveset as far as colossals go

[manic wolf]

Honourable mention to AMOGS too though, because that thing is godly for chasedowns

[tranquil fjord]

are you getting the tarnished edition

were getting the hollowslayer again

[manic wolf]

Oh, thats fair enough then, PS4 has good decent connections on the whole from what i've seen of it in Steel or Jee's vids

[limber cradle]

Not sure I've ever used it tbh

[manic wolf]

Longest Colossal Sword (by quite a bit) and no doubt you've seen it being used, its the big black one with the charge ash that can follow up witha white lightning AoE

[tranquil fjord]

the new greatsword will probably be the best one because it will have the KGS lights and claymore heavies

[compact oyster]

you mean the meteoric ore sword

[tranquil fjord]

i assume

[limber cradle]

Ik what it looks like fwiw

I have it, I've just never used it

[compact oyster]

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Ancient+Meteoric+Ore+Greatsword

[manic wolf]

Yeah, Ancient Meteoric Ore Greatsword; AMOGS

Well worth playing with, its goated

[compact oyster]

i prefer fire knight greatsword since it gets the godslayer moveset

[manic wolf]

We are, but how good it'll be idt we know, dont think we've seen any footage of it actually being used yet have we?

[tranquil fjord]

welcome back ds1 chaos zweihanded

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-knight-gif-12000020

[compact oyster]

theres been no footage of the tarnished edition

[tranquil fjord]

i think we had footage of it used?

ah

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its got a less good moveset, however it does have the reach and the charge ash is crazy good for catching dickheads who try run off

[limber cradle]

Tarnished edition isn't real

[tranquil fjord]

is arcane even worth for the meteoric

[compact oyster]

also sadly the mirrah set is fucked up\

[manic wolf]

Theres been some cinematic clips and some short clips from an event last year, but not anything that gives us any real information on the new weapons beyond stats for the two new starting weapons

[limber cradle]

Why is tarnished so delayed?

[tranquil fjord]

wont there be a new ugs too?

[compact oyster]

the normal mirrah set

[manic wolf]

an they're probably subject to change

[compact oyster]

curved greatsword

[tranquil fjord]

new best starting class too

well

if the stats are the same

[compact oyster]

also a starting class with a light greatsword

[manic wolf]

Two best new starting classes*

though yeah, if it dont change

[tranquil fjord]

ah

fluted set

[manic wolf]

Was about to say new LGS aswell

[tranquil fjord]

my beautiful beloved

[tranquil fjord]

no no its just the milady no?

[limber cradle]

That's just Milady, yeah

[manic wolf]

Little worried about that I must admit because the Milady is already quite oppressive if the player is good with it

[limber cradle]

At least on the starter

[compact oyster]

nope

[manic wolf]

Nope, its confirmed to be a new one

[tranquil fjord]

although getting two miladies in one run

[compact oyster]

its a new one

[tranquil fjord]

or two infusable lgs

is nice

[limber cradle]

Very fun

[limber cradle]

It's gonna be a twink pvp starter for sure

[compact oyster]

also i do wonder why it takes so long

[limber cradle]

I have to imagine it's switch optimization

[compact oyster]

a switch 2 port shouldnt take that long

[tranquil fjord]

the low poise of early pvp will make the milady a nightmare

[manic wolf]

No twinking involved if you start with it mate

[compact oyster]

the wing stance heavy attack does such massive amounts of damage

[limber cradle]

Spiritually a twink

[manic wolf]

An yeah Criminal, you're right, LGS at low level is gonna be straight up unfair

[limber cradle]

It's absolutely insane to give out Milady as a starting weapon

[manic wolf]

Yeah, more or less

Its not Milady, its confirmed to be a new one

[compact oyster]

also the new warrior class is chunky

[tranquil fjord]

is it strength based?

do we know or

[compact oyster]

17 base endurance with only lvl 8

[manic wolf]

So hopefully they have the good sense to make it less strong than Milady, but this is From so it'll probably be OP as shit

[limber cradle]

The goat

[compact oyster]

like one of the most efficient stat spreads for a warrior build

[limber cradle]

The strength build character

[manic wolf]

The information might well be out there, but it would be a bit odd having the dexy magic new class starting with an STR weapon

[limber cradle]

I mean

[compact oyster]

it might genuinely be a scholar of the first sin situation

[limber cradle]

Milady is a dex weapon that infuses insanely well with heavy

It wouldn't shock me if new lgs works like that

[manic wolf]

I would take it with a pinch of salt though, both these two classes have rather crazy stat spreads in the previews, would absolutely not be shocked if they lose points before its pushed to live

[compact oyster]

maybe

[tranquil fjord]

but it doesnt have enough int for starcaller swap

thats a meme anyways though

[manic wolf]

True enough, we'll find out at somepoint tho

[compact oyster]

but yeah this long new skins for torrent 2 new classes with armor and weapons and the mirrah full set

[manic wolf]

A useful meme tho

[compact oyster]

makes me think this is a small taste

[limber cradle]

I think it's switch

Like it's the only logical reason it's taking this long

Switch optimization probably beating their asses

[manic wolf]

I guess you could always go the budget route an use Troll's Roar though if you really cant run it and need something to ledge dudes with

[manic wolf]

Almost certainly, yeah

I would put money on it, infact

[limber cradle]

I can't see what else would take them this long

[tranquil fjord]

theyre waiting for switch 2 as well

[manic wolf]

First preview versions were reportedly not even making 20FPS, so yeah...

[compact oyster]

ominous fatass of malice and doom

also new curved greatsword is always a W

[tranquil fjord]

do we know the stats of the new armor

it looks good so

i hope its good enough for poise breakpoints

[manic wolf]

It looks a little stumpy from what we've seen of it thus far, but then Freyja's is also pretty short and the hitbox on that is fucked

[limber cradle]

Nah it looks too normal, it's gonna be like 40 poise lol

[manic wolf]

I believe so, though not offhand exactly, though I do remember them being kinda mid defensively, but the heavy knight set apparently has some good poise values for its weight for some parts

So might be another Lion Head Imp situation where it becomes super efficient to use the gauntlets of this set or summat

[tranquil fjord]

the colors might match the armor of solitude

so

[manic wolf]

Look decently close for sure

Wont be exact because almost nothing is, but you're red most of the time anyway, so whats it matter

[tranquil fjord]

doesnt matter so much when im red but

[compact oyster]

Hes red for a very good reason!

[tranquil fjord]

it feels bad that i want good stats but also to look like anything but a clown covered in shit

[manic wolf]

What you don't like the MLG epic combo of lion head and pinecone armour with vedigris gauntlets and legs?

Whyever not?

😄

[tranquil fjord]

i miss bloodborne

i miss ds2

i miss bloodborne and ds2 pvp

[limber cradle]

Style over substance

[manic wolf]

Basically all the previous games had better fashion than ER does

[limber cradle]

I do not miss DS2 pvp I'm ngl

Dark buff sunlight sword my beloathed

[manic wolf]

Up to a point, yes, though I'm not about to go under 88 poise for any amount of fashion, bullied by Shamshir backswing is an absolute hard pass

[limber cradle]

Why 88?

[manic wolf]

Shamshir backswing

Deals like 87.something or other

[limber cradle]

Gotcha

[manic wolf]

If you can't tank it, you kinda just auto lose to Shammy

[tranquil fjord]

get fan knifed

[manic wolf]

It's very stronk

[tranquil fjord]

get fan knifed

[manic wolf]

If someone spams fan daggers they eat Rak

[limber cradle]

I'm not sure I've ever seen this thing used

[manic wolf]

Bruh

[tranquil fjord]

shamshir?

its a thing most pvers dont touch so

never in invasions

[limber cradle]

Yeah I avoid the arena lol

[tranquil fjord]

its in like the devils asshole in lim grave or so

i dont blame them for not finding it

[manic wolf]

You've never invaded competant PvPers doing 2v2s in Redmane or summat?!

[limber cradle]

Level 150 in Arena is a different breed of hell

[manic wolf]

Arena is funny

[limber cradle]

My literal favorite invasion spot is the sewers ngl

[tranquil fjord]

i suffer from my own success

im so lonely

the other invaders are afraid of me

[manic wolf]

It's where you go to mine sodium from victims of Dunning Kreuger, or get shit on by someone like Bean

[limber cradle]

Idk, I'm not like

Hugely into dark souls pvp

Never have been

[manic wolf]

That's a fun invasion place tbh, Stormveil and Leyndell for me though

[limber cradle]

The extent of my pvp enjoyment is like

Dragging that level 218 character into my friends NG world and one shotting the unfortunate invader who turns up rn

[manic wolf]

If you was on PC, I'd say come play wit me an we'll set up 2v2s with tongue, but cane do that if you're on PS

[tranquil fjord]

i have nightreign on pc

erm

[manic wolf]

Smh. Ganker

Shameless

[limber cradle]

That implies the host is helping lol

[manic wolf]

It runs NR but not the main game? Thats a surprise I'ma be honest

[limber cradle]

People impale themselves on that sword

Idk what it is

Watch me buff 4 times and run directly at me, alright man

[manic wolf]

A lot of people don't respect HA enough

I'm guilty of it too at points if I think the opponent is gonna be a pushover

But its kinda always threatening

[limber cradle]

It's FKGS, I figure you know what the gimmick is if you see GV+FGMS+RKR

[manic wolf]

Your gimmick is getting kited around the area for 3 minutes and peppered with arrows, yes

[limber cradle]

I got lightning spears for that

[tranquil fjord]

i kinda hate what they did with bows in nightreign

[manic wolf]

I aint eating no RKR spear tali'd up FKGS

[tranquil fjord]

i cant do jump shots

[manic wolf]

I think Ironeye still can iirc, long times since I've played it though

[tranquil fjord]

if i want to jump shot while aiming for headshots

[manic wolf]

I hope they backport some of the bow mechanics from NR though. Like being able to take crits with them and the crosshair being on a 1x zoom so it doesnt feel horrendous to free-aim at close range

[manic wolf]

Oh, yeah, you can't do it whilst precision aiming, but then its PvE, you mostly don't need to anyway

[tranquil fjord]

i need to though

i want my erm

skill expression for the most boring nightreign character

[manic wolf]

Fair enuff lul

[tranquil fjord]

thats okay i already prefer to free aim on controller for headshots

cant say that for all ironeyes

everyone and their mother can just do skill attack power with double balancers

even ironeye

[manic wolf]

That one is weird

Precision aiming in any game on a controller makes me feel like I'm having a stoke

[astral canyon]

stoke