hivescum-class

[zenith fern]

this video gets me everytime

[crimson moss]

hey guys how's the uh

the dual-
not the autopistols the regular pistols

[astral canyon]

Theyre alright

Better off as sidearms for melee builds than desperado builds

[limber cradle]

I like them a lot but you really have to be able to hit heads

[astral canyon]

I still wish it had point blank on its blessing pool

And opening salvo as well

[limber cradle]

I wish the stat crit bonuses it has weren't so lackluster

[astral canyon]

True too

[limber cradle]

Iirc they're like half of what the bonus normally is on other weapons

[astral canyon]

Opening salvo would be huge for chaining spin shots

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[crimson moss]

spin whatnows

[limber cradle]

Honestly I wish they had inbuilt Run and Gun like DAPs

[limber cradle]

You can spin the .45s

[astral canyon]

True too

[limber cradle]

Adds more damage and stagger iirc

[crimson moss]

[limber cradle]

Makes em more accurate too

[astral canyon]

Special

More accuratte, slightly higher base damage, big finesse increase, more crit chance

And stagger too

[limber cradle]

And the best bit

It's stylish

[astral canyon]

True

Also the sound

[rotund agate]

if only I could aim well enough to make the pistol spin work (I just spam normal shots with it)

[crimson moss]

At least headshots aren't too too difficult to land in this game

unless you're dealing with a mf that's wearing a carapace helmet that just makes it not matter

looking at YOU sir

[main trellis]

Plasma gunners too

[crimson moss]

plasma gunners are an odd bunch to me

I probably just didn't learn their voicelines/audio cues yet but they seem a bit indistinct compared to other specials

[astral canyon]

Theyre not specialists

Theyre elites

[crimson moss]

they-

huh

okay well compared to other elites

[astral canyon]

Theyre on the same category as ragers, shotgunners, gunners and maulers

And also the ogryns

And those dont really have much in terms of cues

Well other than the racking of the shotgunners

[crimson moss]

they have pretty decent sound cues I feel

gunners have their yelling
"HEADS DOWN" "MAKING IT RAIN"
"THY LIVES ARE FORFEIT" "MUTASHFARRRR" etc etc

shotguners got their racking yea

ragers

[astral canyon]

Yeah but compared to specialists its nowhere near as obvious

[crimson moss]

but I just do not know what sound(s) scab plasma gunners are supposed to be making

hell I don't even know if they actually say anything

[astral canyon]

They do

Theres also the sound of the plasma gun charging and firing

Its pretty easy to notice if youre paying attention for it

[flat mist]

Idk how u anyone doesnt notice the sound of a plasma gunner

Once u get fucking domed a few times it should become instinctual

[jovial heron]

The plasma gunner event? It’s scarred into my brain

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[crimson moss]

for them I'm more of a visual guy

as in I don't think I ever learned their audio since I'm drawn to them glowing like this

[rotund agate]

like a moth to L A M P?

[crimson moss]

if moths had an urge to violently disassemble their L A M P S with relic blades

[brittle sierra]

Plasma gunners were nerfed after that

Never again can I see them one shot the Smyker on my team 😔

[crimson moss]

on the bright side you can see them completely fuck up the momentum of a charging zealot because the FOTF iframes didn't kick in just yet

(me)

[jovial heron]

Yeah honestly a little sad. They aren’t a threat unless there’s already tons of threats on screen giving them time to charge line up a shot etc

[main trellis]

They say stuff like
Loyalist scum!
Any last words?
Plasma inbound!
And more
https://youtu.be/Des9Z_0oT4I

[crimson moss]

[zenith fern]

Back in their launch they were purely silent

Barely could hear their voicelines, you still do today but they better now

[reef hearth]

i really like the feel of dual stubs, but tried needle and it just rocks deleting elites and bosses... poor stubs will be shelved xD

what curios should i look for, i can refine them and consecrate, but cant increase their item level, so i have to wait for lvl 30 to get the top ones?

[astral canyon]

pretty much

[bronze glade]

for all gear pretty much

esp the lower level you are

the worse the rng is with optimal rolls

[astral canyon]

the max value for each curio type is +3 stamina, +17% toughness and +21% health

+3 stamina curios also need to be 410+ rating

400 rating ones are fake and only give +2 stamina

[reef hearth]

lol, that exists?
anyway, what o u sport on HS? 1 toughness 1 health and 1 stamina?

[astral canyon]

i dont have optimized curios yet but i would prob run something like that yeah

[limber cradle]

You can run all sorts of things

I like 1x of health, toughness, and stamina for my build

[bronze glade]

i think that's a good default but there's a lot of ways to run hiv curios

[limber cradle]

I think I've seen basically every curio set up recommended for scum depending on build

[bronze glade]

9 stam meta

[spice mural]

I want it back so I can speed run the penance. =(

That Ogryn event let me farm some 3800+ Ogryn kills and finish the penances in a week and a half. I was so happy.

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/these-kids-need-to-be-held-accountable-lowell-fitzroy-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-they-have-to-be-held-responsible-gif-20388751

[leaden fable]

Mortis trials work fairly well for this too

[spice mural]

Ah I hadn’t considered that.

I’ll get around to those penances eventually. I’ve been working on havoc penances and just started the auric ones. I can do mortis after.

[north crow]

Is chained deathblow still bugged anyone knows?

[reef hearth]

like 3 3stam curios? xD well it is bonus 18% attack speed (swift endurance) which is quite nice, but probbaly for experienced player, not for me .))

there was debate about hyper critical and hyper violence, what is best way to take it, both or just 1 of those?

[fast surge]

Kind of depends on weapon, I usually just take both though

[north crow]

taking both slows down HV stacking tho

generally speaking, HV for rampage

HC if you just need some help hordeclearing with other builds

[reef hearth]

shivs, tried boneswa for penances to get armors, but shivs are shivs, i love the moveset from the vermintide shade .)

[astral canyon]

both

unless running blinders

in that case you usually drop hc since hc procs dont regen blinders

[reef hearth]

bazooka is the way .)

[astral canyon]

in that case take both

[bronze glade]

yeah you become truly a glass cannon, but in return, everything fucking dies

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1490089462594666647/431EB71.MP4?ex=69da09b4&is=69d8b834&hm=dc8040868eba23bd004873b46ab026ed63058023118c6a356dfc671c484505cf&

[astral canyon]

actually now i have a question

[fast surge]

Still worth

[north crow]

debatable

[astral canyon]

how does HV interact with attacks that deal multiple ticks of damage?

[north crow]

you will already onetap almost everything with rampage critting

it is really good during downtime tho

I won't argue that

[astral canyon]

nah there isnt really much reason not to take both outside of blinders

they dont really interfere with each other

[reef hearth]

well time to get lvl 30 and those 3 stam curios so it would push me to learn properly dodge without bonus hp and toughness xD

good thing is attack speed = more toughness from the melee attacks talent

[bronze glade]

yeah exactly

and rampage provides a good amount of tdr

so as long as you have things to kill, you're not too squishy

just beware of things that do a lot of damage in a single hit

like overheads, snipers, bursters

[reef hearth]

what stimm do u use with rampage build? rn i am using toughness route and dmg/crit

[bronze glade]

i went for attack speed lol

you can use whatever you want tho

pretty much all good

[astral canyon]

i use strength+attack speed

[reef hearth]

i am using mainly toughness bcs i am still bad at surviving .) so it is my panic button

[fast surge]

I use CD+ATK speed stimm for rampage build

I feel like there isn't much of a correct way to play with cartel special, it's all just preferences

[north crow]

STR + AS if you wanna "mimic" having rampage during downtime

CDR otherwise

[astral canyon]

or if you want to stack

[north crow]

that too

CDR has no value during uptime

[unreal stirrup]

just run strength since 75s cooldown is too long if you need a boost during rampage cd

[north crow]

I do have STR + AS

but I've seen most use CDR

[unreal stirrup]

also work better for stacking

[spice mural]

I use the top right branch middle route.

I don’t use all the points though. Just half to keep my stimm cd a bit lower for chem dependence stacks.

[mighty belfry]

The interference with HV is pretty negligible for what you get for having both honestly

The real issue with having both is with blackouts specifically.

That's when I'd say it's not really a good idea.

[north crow]

true, but if as anal bout minmaxing as I am...

I also just like to run blackout

[mighty belfry]

Then ya I'd say don't do it in that case

Also HC isn't necessary obvs

But it is very nice to have for mixed horde clear consistency.

[muted pivot]

I like the finesse/toughness stimm combo for my chem dependency rampage shivs build personally

[stray mulch]

oy can creature spawner not spawn h40 enemies? I've seen ppl do it in some videos but I can never find a link. Does anyone know what they are using?

[verbal dew]

solo mod

[stray mulch]

solo play?

[verbal dew]

ye

[stray mulch]

tyty

[stray mulch]

is the mod supposed to close darktide when i try to activate '/solo' ?

[livid raven]

that's a crash

[verbal dew]

ye

[livid raven]

i think

[stray mulch]

well it might not be working, closed twice and i still see ppl when i log in

[stray mulch]

rip

[livid raven]

it's not quite updated

[flat mist]

Iirc you can queue a regular solo play havoc, turn on invisibility and spawn stuff therd

There*

[stray mulch]

i was just testing and i cant do shite with the regular crusher health XD

[bronze helm]

Hey everyone, what are good meta builds for the hive scum? I never know what to run with it

[vernal sluice]

Is there a point in taking nimble or is alley rat an overall better talent pick?

[stray mulch]

this would mean i would ahve to be at h40 when doing so though right?

[flat mist]

No

[stray mulch]

it's been rough days my boy -- i dont think i can get back there

[flat mist]

Use the solo mod

[stray mulch]

oh great

[livid raven]

isn't alley rat basically always the worst pick

[stray mulch]

watch your mouth!

[flat mist]

I like it on caxe

[stray mulch]

alley rat is the best talent in the game

.>

[vernal sluice]

I haven't played scum since this talent rebalance happened so I'm a little confused why these dodge modifiers got split up into two different talents

mutually exclusive talents at that

[jovial heron]

Its personal preference based also upon how big the dodge is of the weapon you are using

[stray mulch]

yeah BUT

[livid raven]

nimble is the same as always

[stray mulch]

launches are so funny that i always take it

[jovial heron]

Alley rat I am unsure existed before. Nimble did though

[livid raven]

alley rat is new

[vernal sluice]

I'm fairly sure scum had a talent increasing dodge distance before too

[livid raven]

nope

[jovial heron]

Says new on the tin

[vernal sluice]

Huh, alright then

[jovial heron]

Who knows though

[flat mist]

Without alley rat on caxe i kept getting hit by bursters when i pushed them without looking

[jovial heron]

I am still unsure which I prefer. On shivs the dodge is so fucking big

Like as big as irosks nerdy orc brain

[flat mist]

With alley rat/shivs by themselves they might aswell not exist if you have room to dodge

[vernal sluice]

I mainly use shivs so I think I'll try nimble first actually

[livid raven]

alley rat makes you weaker on shivs imo

[flat mist]

Yeah its way too much distance with shivs

[livid raven]

will kill you on ledges and bring out outside melee ranges

[flat mist]

Always take nimble on shivs

Unless memeing

[livid raven]

if you really need to cover so much ground with a dodge for whatever reason, dodge slide instead

[jovial heron]

So you take alley rat every time?

[flat mist]

TRUE

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/there-goes-my-hero-foo-fighters-foo-hero-my-hero-gif-6568166440187049284

[stray mulch]

i think alley rat on shivs is hilarious

but nimble i usually avoid because i don't have issues dodging which makes it feel like a wasted point

but i can see why ppl take it

it's the same reason why i don't take anticipation too often

[stray mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-hawk-thps-skate-board-skate-skater-gif-17280840

every ledge

meme's aside im pretty sure nimble is more geared to melee, and alley rat is for ranged. It's just that the melee weapons are more popular/viable to build for so most take nimble?

[keen bridge]

Had that happen to me lmfao. Accidentally dodged off a ledge and since you fully retain your speed midair I fucking launched all the way to the other end of the room off a cliff

[stray mulch]

but in expedition you can get into some of those breachable areas by just dodging off a ledge, it's funny

[woeful hill]

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automod didnt catch

stolen account

[woeful hill]

dilara when warden ping

https://tenor.com/view/foiled-cat-funny-cat-meme-cute-gif-4770784610413068186

whoops

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1478272295238766773/caption.gif

[pale shard]

When is the Needle Pistol getting Nerfed?

[bronze glade]

prob never

[lucid siren]

ngl its such a strange looking weapon but rly nice lol

[warm axle]

as we all know somethings either op and boring or shit and fun, i don’t think a needle gun can fun so it has to be op. sorry.

[lilac schooner]

tbh I don't think its all that, it has a lot of weaknesses to its strengths

[keen sapphire]

i kinda wish needle pistol had a variant that was physical and not the chems

like one where its literally shooting like moebian darts that fully pierces all armor and is crit focused could be fun

more ammo too

fatshark should hire me

[lilac schooner]

I feel like thats close to bolter

[keen sapphire]

i know good game design

[keen sapphire]

bolter is more boomy in general

also i dont think crit bolter exists?

and the darts wouldnt be super high damage still

[lilac schooner]

calvacade blessing

[near mauve]

bolter is only boomy at close range

[keen sapphire]

thats what the crits would be for

actually

now that i think about it

[near mauve]

the way it works both in game and le lore is basically u fire armor piercing projectiles that laters explode

[keen sapphire]

im just saying to add a crossbow

and NGL

thatd be sick

[near mauve]

add the crossbow from hd2

break the game

[keen sapphire]

and give ogryn a ballista

fatshark hire me

[lilac schooner]

explosive crossbow is such a dumb weapon in hd2

[near mauve]

its very fun but trivilized the game for me lol

[lilac schooner]

last i played it was the best primary so you just saw everyone with crossbows running around

in a like shooting game

[reef hearth]

finally... was stuck so long on 88/90 xD 3 guys were handling boss and i was just massacring horders with shivs and bazooka xD

[verbal dew]

the final penance is 120 tho

[reef hearth]

i know, still need some improvement, but i mainly wanted it for steam achievement .)

[keen sapphire]

i got it with twin stubber ogryn in mortis

b4 the buff too

[lucid siren]

Twink ogryn

[verbal dew]

I forgot when I got it, I've def gotten it on some h40s tho

because I think my record is 130 something

[reef hearth]

how do u get 410 +3 stam curious? luck in mystery shop? so far i got 0 drops of curios getting to lvl 30 xD

[near mauve]

pure luck

either from drops or gambling

[reef hearth]

hmpf, ok, ty

anyway, i can only change perks, not blessing, right?

[near mauve]

yeah curios only have perks

[reef hearth]

ok, i ll live with +2 stams for now .)

made them also all into +20% chance for curio after mission

[dire badge]

is the devil claw good agianst crushers? and what mark should i bring?

and what blesings and perks? if i plan to use it on a purely melee build

[zenith pagoda]

No

[vapid jungle]

No. Mk 7 rampage shred flakiac.

Its one of the worst melee options into crushers. Pairing it with needle pistol would help.

[mighty belfry]

It's okay if you tweak it to work. Channeled aggression, coated weaponry, and/or hyperviolence let's you somewhat bypass its less than stellar performance against them. It just isn't gonna ever be a "great" option like knife or shivs.

[hidden timber]

In Necromunda there's a scavenger faction with a giant crossbow that shoots frag and krak grenades. Very nice support weapon.

[hidden timber]

The needle weapons in 40k use a laser pulse to cut through the target's armor and clothing first before propelling a sliver of crystalized toxin into bare flesh. In game terms they wounded automatically (in comparison, a lascannon shot still has a 16.667 percent chance to fail no matter how fragile the target is) and had minor armor penetration (similar to a bolter). The Needle Sniper Rifle used to be the main sniping weapon in the game before stuff like the Exitus and Long-Las were introduced.

This legacy means that most sniper rifles in the TT game still use poison-style rules (even if many of them don't use poison), able to easily wound infantry targets regardless of how tough they are. Unfortunately, due to a weird rules oversight cavalry and bikers are not vulnerable to sniper rifles.

[unkempt salmon]

Pardon me fellow Scoomers

What's the best set-up for Shivs? Ideally for mixed horde clearing

Disclaimer that I'm not currently running Hyper-Critical in this build

[rotund agate]

if using the mk1 shivs, I would recommend Battering Strikes (if you can afford it) to deal with the garbage cleave at least a bit.

[unkempt salmon]

Sorry, I meant Blessing/Perk setup

[rotund agate]

oh.

Uncanny with Flesh Tearer/Precog might be a decent idea. as for the perks... idk, I haven't touched shivs in a long time (I only use em on my ranged build, which I rarely play), but maybe some combination of Flak with Maniac (for ragers), Unyielding, and/or Carapace works...?

[unkempt salmon]

Thank ye

[unreal stirrup]

flesh tearer is shit

run uncanny+ riposte + coated + butterfly

you're like 80% crit average

[bronze glade]

yeah FT isn't worth on hiv

[vapid jungle]

Uncanny precog finesse stim with hyper critical

[unique dagger]

so you can get this much crit:

10% hive scum base
12.5% shivs base extra crit chance
5% aura
20% riposte
20% 4 stacks chem dependancy
20% float like a butterfly

This adds up to 87.5% crit chance which is nuts
On top if this you can add an extra 5% on perks so 92.5% (overkill lol)

combine with hyper critical and you get some cool results

aka very OP

VERY VERY OP

[jovial heron]

Yeah not a lot of point on bleed with hivescum cause no synergy with talents unlike say Zealot or Ogryn

[unique dagger]

go riposte uncanny

bleed makes 0 sense on scum

[clever wren]

Bleed is just an inferior form of Toxin

[lost ravine]

good to know that i had an extra 2.5% crit i didn't know about

[verbal dew]

yeah when needler exists sure

[unreal stirrup]

toxin literally have no contest

highest dps + great adm against everything

[mighty belfry]

Only time flesh tearer should ever even be considered is with rotten armor

[unreal stirrup]

soulblaze max stack is not even close to toxin and you have to overcap with sb

[mighty belfry]

Otherwise it overall just doesn't synergize with scum well

It's more of a vet thing honestly

[unreal stirrup]

go go gadget needler

vet have krak for rotten

[main wagon]

No Tusken Raider snipers during the Mos Espa circuit smh

[mighty belfry]

Bleed knife is really strong for them on rotten

[unreal stirrup]

that mean not having psword though

or any other melee

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Considering p sword doesn't really do its full damage against rot, that's not as bad of a tradeoff.

[main wagon]

Psword is up there for one of the most Top 10 unsatisfying weapons to even use tbh

[mighty belfry]

And yeah.

[main wagon]

I don’t care how good they make it if I have to stop every 3-4 swings because it has ED

[mighty belfry]

I personally don't like it

[main wagon]

Shovel don’t quit

[mighty belfry]

And the shit mobility does actually matter

When you're getting bombarded from all sides by stinky carapace

[main wagon]

And your ranged weapon is already a helbore

[limber cradle]

I like knife on vet tbh

Knife just had good anims tho

Which make it a top tier weapon for me

[main wagon]

Knife does have the best hidden inspect in the game

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[unreal stirrup]

vet have good synergy with knife

[main wagon]

Actual minigame

[limber cradle]

CSGO tier weapon inspect

[main wagon]

Mad shivs don’t get tricks

Even with the deluxe skin

[limber cradle]

Shiv anims are like

Okay at best

[unreal stirrup]

shiv is boring

[limber cradle]

The coolest part of Shiv is the throw

[main wagon]

If anyone asks for fist weapons just play shivs and get a mod that turns them invisible

[unreal stirrup]

after revert knife is better imo

[mighty belfry]

Shivs are kinda unsatisfying to me purely by animations

[limber cradle]

Same tbh

I like that I have two of them but

The anims are lackluster

[main wagon]

I’m quite satisfied but I also fill in a lot in my head

[clever wren]

They just took the Dual Daggers animations from Vermintide but made Heavy 2 look weird

[main wagon]

Every time I light spam past an enemy and hit them in the shoulder blades with one of the backhanded bits, I feel like Talion executing an orc

[unreal stirrup]

no?

[limber cradle]

Nah VT2 dual daggers flow better

[unreal stirrup]

shiv doesn't share any animation with dual dagger

[main wagon]

I never understood sword dagger and dual daggers

I never played more than ~20 hours of VT1 tho

[unreal stirrup]

probably the fact thst you can go into block/push much faster

which you need to survive

[bronze glade]

but you can throw them

[clever wren]

sword dagger
Very fast light/light/block/repeat for hordes, Push Attack into Heavy for single targets. Weapon is very strong into everything while also having very good mobility

[unreal stirrup]

sword and dagger is just op

[main wagon]

Oh nice

[unreal stirrup]

it's especially good on sott

[clever wren]

It's been several years but Sott of the Thott is just broken innit

[unreal stirrup]

im actually very confident i can solo patrol easier on sott + snd than any other class weapon combination in the game

not 100% success rate but its higher than other classes for me

[main wagon]

VT1 was originally a miss for me, but honestly I attribute that to not understanding the gameplay loop and friends not explaining properly

I missed VT2 completely.

I fell in love with DT, went back to try VT2 last year, and then quit after the tutorial and like 2 games because nobody at Fatshark decided to turn hitmarkers on by default

I’m swinging around this fucking wooden mallet from The Goofy Movie and I’m just getting 0 feedback

The maps though dear god

VT2 maps take a steamer on Darktide

I noticed they brought back “knock down planks to access shit” in the Expedition maps

[zenith fern]

VT2 has no dopamine satisfaction to insert in your brain when comes to sound effects and kill sounds as DT does smh

VT2 bad game

[lost ravine]

dt has no elf

[limber cradle]

Has scum tho

Drug Elf coded class

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-dawn-of-war-scum-xeno-purge-gif-14273119

[lost ravine]

the correct answer would actually have been psyker

[limber cradle]

Drastically easier Sienna tbf

[lost ravine]

that too

but it is inbetween

imagine if venting gave thp

fucking bonkers

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl

One day it might happen

[lost ravine]

technically

[unreal stirrup]

sienna actually have to fucking melee

[north crow]

Dude, taxe4 might be the best rampage melee for rotten

never thought this dogshit mark will ever be useful

[main wagon]

After going back to VT2 after only having played DT's Psyker, yeah what the fuck her quelling is way more tactical

I played Saltz and Dwarf back in VT1 for like a dozen hours so I never experienced it there

[lost ravine]

it's actually a limitation

rather than "oh no getting high on peril better quell and keep casting hehe"

unchained and battle wizard somewhat skirt around this limitation with stagger thp

[main wagon]

First time I played her I went to casually quell and I was like "oof ow fuck AGH"

[north crow]

sienna also has one of the easiest time farming THP

[unreal stirrup]

playing shiv is so dehumanizing

shit is so fucking easy

anyway

[main wagon]

ok vergil

[lost ravine]

stagger thp flame sword is very speshul

[jovial heron]

Unchained was vibes

[unreal stirrup]

flamesword feel like ass though

even with infinite cleave + dot shit kill horde so fucking slow

but ig it still better than other shield bash

[north crow]

it serves one purpose

well, two

[lilac schooner]

using the other shiv mark wow

[unreal stirrup]

it dogshit but killfeed dont lie @lilac schooner

[lilac schooner]

even after nerf I still think the other one is better

[unreal stirrup]

because it is better

this one have zero cleave either way

6 whole cleave on heavies

[lilac schooner]

thats pretty good cleave

[unreal stirrup]

6 is not good

💀

[lilac schooner]

I know like the other knives only have like 3 cleave now

[mighty belfry]

It's serviceable given how fast they attack

[main trellis]

Infinite hp & survivability

Balanced class

[mighty belfry]

I finally got to play again last night

Ofc it was a rotten blight game

Ofc I was asked to run crate

Ofc because I ran crate with short cooldown, I couldn't handle the sheer amount of carapace in closed spaces normally

[unique dagger]

perfectly balanced

as all things should be

[jovial heron]

I hate running crate. But I hate having Allie’s die from corruption more. Fucking blight

[mighty belfry]

It's really hard to justify running crate with rotten armor imho

You lose so much offensive potential doing it.

[jovial heron]

Agreed it’s hard to know what is actually better for the team

Rot armor blight is an ass combination

[mighty belfry]

And if there isn't someone else putting out the big damage, it doesn't matter how much corruption immunity the team has if there's gonna be carapace flooding from all angles

I'm not even like

That annoyed by rot anymore

It's completely doable if the damage and CC is there

Blight just complicates that so much more.

[verbal dew]

I struggled all day in a bunch of blight rotten games, but earlier this week we did it first try after another h40

ig I was zealot today, I just don't do havoc zealot well

[mighty belfry]

I can pride myself being pretty good at zealot in havoc

Honestly I should have just applied as zealot

[verbal dew]

ig I just shoehorn myself in to some DS build

[mighty belfry]

I'm too much of a relic blade apologist

[verbal dew]

• running book and you just do shit

I should just run relic blade honestly

you doing marty?

[mighty belfry]

Nah. Inexorable Judgement

[astral canyon]

inexOwOwwable jUwUdgement

[mighty belfry]

Extra dodge buffs make a big difference in offsetting the lacking mobility

I run fatmangus usually lol

[verbal dew]

I should prob run that, I've only run it outside of havoc lol

[low harbor]

I think TH with headtaker + slaughterer + GW is pretty legit

[mighty belfry]

I was trying it. It's okay.

[verbal dew]

what's gw

[mighty belfry]

Definitely prefer it over being a full on boss killer

[low harbor]

Grievous wounds

Weakspot hit +50% impact

[mighty belfry]

Grievous wounds is lowkey pretty good on relic too.

[low harbor]

Makes a big difference on TH

[mighty belfry]

Lets you handle crushers a lot more safely.

[verbal dew]

ye I run that on relic and crusher

[low harbor]

U can always chunk bosses hard with shroud anyway

[verbal dew]

I think

[low harbor]

GW doesn’t quite matter that much for relic blade

[mighty belfry]

It feels like it hits stagger thresholds quicker

[astral canyon]

what is the bulid for it

i think i'll try that for leveling mastery on TH

[unreal stirrup]

yeah but like giving up thrust on th

[mighty belfry]

I don't like thrust so

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1492173461618167828/Screenshot_20260410_103451.png?ex=69dbafd4&is=69da5e54&hm=84779db035479b7ac4a04c2eaceeb1c519cad555b11e7b41ba3752b7990051d1&

[low harbor]

Is very based

[verbal dew]

I am incompatible with thrust

I am just garbage at it

[low harbor]

It means ur light atks actually do damage

[astral canyon]

thx :3

[low harbor]

Lmao

[mighty belfry]

I get that it's the best for boss killing but like

[unreal stirrup]

bro think hes greathammer

😆

[low harbor]

I’m not joking it does like 1.8k on flak

[mighty belfry]

It's just overkill for how much you lose on thammer as a generalist weapon

[low harbor]

I don’t like it even for bossing

Some schmuck is ultimately gonna drag boss away from u so u chase after them with ur short legs (cuz of TH heavy atk slow move speed) while in shroud and holding heavy to keep thrust active

[unreal stirrup]

this is why unfaltering is goated

[low harbor]

Unfaltering is a bandaid

[mighty belfry]

Point tax

[unreal stirrup]

help with relic too

[rotund agate]

having to run flamer to compensate for thrust thammer lacking horde clear AND having to run throwing knives to compensate for flamer lacking range sounds like a bit too much effort imo

[mighty belfry]

Ima be real

[verbal dew]

I think I only run unfaltering on heavy sword since that's all I do

[mighty belfry]

If you learn the block cancel and know it as second nature

[low harbor]

I think going for a more flexible TH is way better than going for a boss nuke TH lmao

[mighty belfry]

Unfaltering is just unnecessary at that point

It doesn't provide much at that point anymore

[low harbor]

I only started looking at TH more seriously after coping with relic blade’s carapace dps

[verbal dew]

idt I've ever run 3s shroudfield

[mighty belfry]

Right

[low harbor]

I was looking at Evis XV earlier but it’s like DS tier mixed horde

[mighty belfry]

I should figure out what I wanna exchange for CDR node on shroud

[rotund agate]

wait... if relic blade has crap carapace dps, then why do so many zealots use it even against carapace?

[mighty belfry]

Since

[low harbor]

It’s not “crap” carapace dps

[mighty belfry]

It doesn't fucking work

[low harbor]

It’s just quite avg

With FotF/shroud it can kill 1-2 fast

But u only have avg-ish carapace dps otherwise

[verbal dew]

imagine relic blade with FGS moveset

[low harbor]

And remember that this weapon doesn’t get to stay on for ur attacks all the time

Unlike power sword

[mighty belfry]

Overload enjoyers stay winning 🙂‍↕️

[verbal dew]

do you manually power down your relic blade or do you do a quick double switch?

[low harbor]

It doesn’t matter because eventually u have to use it unpowered anyway

[verbal dew]

I always double switch

[low harbor]

Overload helps a lot as well

But yea it’s just really average carapace dps normally

It’s not bad just mid

TH without ult also gets avg ish carapace dps?

But TH has crusher stagger pretty easily

[mighty belfry]

Hmm

[low harbor]

And u can actually get almost all powered atks for crushers if u need

TH is also just remarkably safe vs crushers

[mighty belfry]

I wonder how shroudfield crusher would fare

[low harbor]

The weapon has +24% dodge speed or smth

Forgot

[verbal dew]

wouldn't that be awkward with push attacks?

[low harbor]

I don’t like crusher on zealot nearly as much as crusher on arb tbh

[mighty belfry]

Crusher on arb is just completely goated

[verbal dew]

I'm the opposite lol

[low harbor]

Zealot just isn’t built for it that well

[mighty belfry]

I think it works really well for fury personally

[low harbor]

Ye but crusher carapace dps actually below relic blade on zealot

U can hit ~3k on arb tho

[verbal dew]

I like the marty speed buff on crusher so

and I always go lone wolf for arby crusher

[low harbor]

Shame zealot can’t have crit well with martyr

Scourge bug

[mighty belfry]

Crusher + explodey bistol + impact nades

[low harbor]

Crusher LW arb is just really good

[mighty belfry]

Maybe I should play that tonight

[low harbor]

I can’t quite decide if I like FT or WS more for power sword

[mighty belfry]

It's legit one of my safest options for wins lol

[low harbor]

I’m kinda just used to low dodge weapons now

[mighty belfry]

The one issue I have with FT on PS

Not the attack speed

But the dodge buffs on WS do help quite a bit

[low harbor]

Ye

Same reason IJ is better than martyr

[mighty belfry]

Attack speed baseline is fine.

[low harbor]

Dodge speed is the main one

Dodge speed is the biggest feel improvement

[mighty belfry]

But you really feel the lack of dodge on PS

[low harbor]

To dodges

I don’t find the dodge distance as big of a difference maker

[low harbor]

Ye same

[low harbor]

But at the same time FT is just so much more damage

[astral canyon]

i find it depends more on my ranged weapon which keystone i pick

[compact oyster]

Haiiii path

[low harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/fisheye-camera-cat-gif-26720928

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-chen-jump-jumpscare-phanthakanxd-gif-499119184729456649

[high gull]

Bruh are all the chats outside zealot usually this dead

[mighty belfry]

It usually isn't lol

[main trellis]

Just use hammerblow

[low harbor]

if this thing had more than 2 blessing slots I would

imagine TH with 4 blessing slots

headtaker + slaughterer + hammerblow + skullcrusher

would actually be good

[main trellis]

Try it; its better

[main trellis]

I think its time 4 u 2 sleep 😴 🛌
You’re daydreaming again

Jk; i will sleep

[mighty belfry]

@marble seal are u proud of urself

that vet was traumatized

TRAUMATIZED

[marble seal]

we could ahve won that

I thanos snapped the psyker

[mighty belfry]

i was wondering wtf happened to them

[marble seal]

the burster dropped down from the ledge and i shot it

https://tenor.com/view/buu-death-spirit-bomb-kid-buu-dragon-ball-gif-25420601

[mighty belfry]

that being said

i have found

the heavy sword build for rot

so i'm at least glad for that

that psyker was goin crazy tho

[marble seal]

yeah I was surprised dude was stayin alive well

until

[marble seal]

lemme see that

da build

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15532e1-a2e0-4a4c-b892-f8bd9c7f3528/toxin-turtolsky who said you can't cleave carapace

i made it a while ago but did a lil adjustment

but i had needle pistol because rot wants me to not have fun in one regard

[marble seal]

what do you think about chained deathblow vs brutal momentum

I cant decide on the 2

[mighty belfry]

it's hard to say honestly, cuz both are good for completely different reasons

reason i use chained deathblow on mine is cuz it lets perfect strike shine more

honestly, i think brutal momentum wins out on more general terms

i just like that cb + ps lets you spread toxin through any horde, regardless of if there's carapace in the way or not

[marble seal]

Oh I thought you were doing chained death blow + headtaker

That’s what da website says

[mighty belfry]

oh im fuckin dumm

yeah that was supposed to be perfect strike

mb

honestly tho, in that context

I think I prefer chained deathblow more accompanying headtaker if I'll be real

you can already amass so much cleave

and crits really help against armor

[marble seal]

true

[mighty belfry]

like yeah Hyperviolence does help with damage transferring to carapace but the crit is really where the damage is gonna kick in

[zenith pagoda]

Perfect strike is goated, but unfortunately heavy sword doesn't have extra crit chance

[flat mist]

Easy 75% with chained deathblow

[dusk dock]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vATCMwpRclA?feature=share

[shrewd chasm]

i wanna make the best support supply stim crate loadout i can

any perk reccomends

here is what i have

[muted heath]

does perks on needle pistol effect chem dot?

[unique dagger]

yes, perks on your melee weapon also affects all dots when you switch to them

[flat mist]

Do*

[sleek raptor]

what's the best build for desperado/stub pistols

[flat mist]

You have to take Virulent Strain

Why i keep seeing tox builds without it is mindboggling

[shrewd chasm]

I'm tryingbto find out what points to swap

[sleek raptor]

And what melee weapon do you all like to use beause I understand the shivs are really powerful but like I don't like their vibes so what other melee weapons work well when I'm mostly just building for ranged

[flat mist]

Drop a tertium welcome

[unique dagger]

its because people dont realise it's a multiplicative stacking damage mult instead of additive

[shrewd chasm]

Ok

[unique dagger]

makes %10 not sound like a lot

(it is)

[flat mist]

Also that its all sources which means all of your damage AND teammates

[unique dagger]

literally soften them up tier, very goated talent

[shrewd chasm]

this good?

i dont think chem dep will be a good soul gem but its really the only one i can reach

[limber cradle]

Does it reproc everytime you tox something or only the first?

[flat mist]

Refreshes

[limber cradle]

Holy shit

I thought it was only the first proc

[limber cradle]

That's looney

Yeah I'd run that over a few talents I have

[shrewd chasm]

ok

i think i should remove hyper crit as it wont do anything

so pickpocket

[flat mist]

Yeah probably

[limber cradle]

Is punching above one's weight or tertium welcome better?

[flat mist]

Depends what you're using. ATW is weak on shivs H1, on combat axe/anything with bromentum. But it helps you build HV on hordes.

Punching buffs dots.

[limber cradle]

I'm using Knife tbh

I'm using punch instead of welcome rn, I can grab tree for you rq if you want

[flat mist]

Sure

[limber cradle]

Riposte Uncanny Knife

[flat mist]

Just leave as is. Extra dot damage good. A tiny bit of extra HV isnt worth.

[limber cradle]

Yeah, the only talent I truly want is jittery but idk how to afford it unless I want to stop running a fat stimm

[flat mist]

Basically my exact blackouts build

[limber cradle]

Ig if I ran rocket I could run jittery instead of chem nades but I don't love rocket like I do blackouts

[flat mist]

How is the fat stimm relevant to affording jittery

[limber cradle]

I'd drop sample collector if I ran a baby stimm

Take jittery

[flat mist]

Blackouts too yum

Right der

[limber cradle]

They're my favorite scum nade

Fluid to use

[flat mist]

Yeah me too

[lucid siren]

Has anyone tried combat knife on HS? Or yall doing bonesaw and Shivs?

[limber cradle]

I run knife

It's shivs but no throw and better single target

[flat mist]

Honestly you could just take the L with one of your damage nodes for jittery tongs

[limber cradle]

I know I could but man damage is nice in higher havocs

Like I'd be dropping punching above for it I think

[flat mist]

Mmmm

[limber cradle]

I don't need jittery yk

I just really like it

[flat mist]

Its essentially infinite dodges vs non-infinite

[lucid siren]

I been doing saw for now since keep up toxins on monsters but i feel like i sacrifice everything else and can still keep up with knife if i crit so thinking of switching to it

[limber cradle]

I don't like saw fwiw

[lucid siren]

Tried conbat knife in meat grinder and jesus that stamina regen and dodges u have

[limber cradle]

Yeah ik, if I dropped anything it'd be punching above

Tbh

Infinite dodges is probably better than mildly better DoTs

[lucid siren]

@limber cradle what blessings u run on knife?

[flat mist]

The new node below weakspot damage is arguable too

[limber cradle]

Riposte and Uncanny or Precog depending on mood

[limber cradle]

Way I see it is that's flat 15 percent more damage all of the time vs 15 percent vs elites only

[lucid siren]

Ah gg, i currently have uncanny and lacerate so only need to switch one if so

[limber cradle]

Yeah, scum don't need bleed tbh

[flat mist]

Flat melee damage, and that 15% is mostly only relevant for HV purposes

[lucid siren]

Yeah already got the dot from chem toxin if melee crits

[flat mist]

Maybe an occasional mutant BP

[lucid siren]

[limber cradle]

Ig, I am running HV tbf

[flat mist]

Elites and monstrosities are what matters, punching underrated for buffing toxin imo

Its a huge % of scum damage

[limber cradle]

I'll try it

Fuck now I should drop jittery

Take channeled devastation

Hey fat shark lemme get uh

[flat mist]

[limber cradle]

Like 3 more talent points

[lost ravine]

instructions unclear, buffing melee psyker

[flat mist]

Attack speed on scriers when

[lucid siren]

I see this as an absolute win

[flat mist]

I end up using ATW & punching over WS & channeled

When i want to reach stuff

[limber cradle]

Sorry, my brain is blanking on WS rn

Weakspot?

[flat mist]

WS damage node overrated even on shiv/knife

[lucid siren]

Isnt the 25% weakspot rly big?

[flat mist]

But thats with my 50% weakspot rate

[limber cradle]

Idk I like it, incentivizes good gameplay

[flat mist]

Idk if others get more

[flat mist]

You're already incentivized but fair

[limber cradle]

I have my height specifically set to where my neutral aim hits heads of hordes

[lucid siren]

Clicking heads is fun

[unreal stirrup]

aka max

[flat mist]

Im max height for same reason

[limber cradle]

Hair under max but yeah

Max height you gotta look a little down

[unreal stirrup]

max for everyone and min for ogryn

[flat mist]

But i have in-game computer neck

[unreal stirrup]

that the point

also you can look over poxwalker

[limber cradle]

I can still look over them, but I don't have to look down to hit them

My height is set to where the Diamond just barely covers the top part of the like I slider

[flat mist]

Just depends what your neutral is

Ive always pointed down slightly even when im shorter

[limber cradle]

I always look dead forward cause of CS tbh

[flat mist]

Regardless WS damage is <20% buff even on insane finesse weapons

[limber cradle]

Ik

Tbf

20 is more than 15

[flat mist]

Some of the time

[limber cradle]

Aye

Idk I'll take the "you get the buff from aiming" over the flat buff

Ik the flat buff is more consistent

[flat mist]

Fair

[limber cradle]

But I like that weakspot incentivizes me to try a little harder

[flat mist]

Bro needs his 400% finesse weapon to be 500% finesse or he's unmotivated

[limber cradle]

It's like a game within a game, yk?

[flat mist]

Yeah nah i get it just teasing haha

[limber cradle]

There is a reason I swap off uncanny to Precog on occasion tho

[rotund agate]

I myself take Sweet Spot regardless when going for Channelled Devastation, even on my chaxe chem dep melee build, because idk how good Unload is on Dual Stubs...

[limber cradle]

Ime it isn't

Unload for .45s

[flat mist]

I hate unload

[lost ravine]

me too

[astral canyon]

why

[flat mist]

Just feels bad that it resets on reload

[lost ravine]

does not make stubs kill anything they weren't already killing either

[astral canyon]

i still wish stubs had point blank and opening salvo (or whatever the strength on first shot blessing is called) on its pool

opening salvo would be huge for chaining spin shots

[vernal sluice]

I made a brand new hivescum just to experience leveling it from scratch again and it's still just about the most fun thing to do in the game period, even with the scum buffs that happened since release

I've also decided to dip into right side talents and actually use the cartel special this time and I'm really enjoying the splash damage talent so far

[flat mist]

You werent using cartel special?!?!?!

[vernal sluice]

Yeah I kept forgetting to use it so I just removed all points from it

It was pretty annoying at first but I've gotten used to it now

[flat mist]

I put a big green icon on my screen

[vernal sluice]

I got the stimm timer or whatever its called mod from nexus

the vanilla stim cooldown indicator is genuinely awful

[flat mist]

Theres two and i like this one

[astral canyon]

activate windows

[lost ravine]

never

[vernal sluice]

what is the one ur using called?

I could only find one on nexusmods

[flat mist]

Broker stimm timer? Idk

[unreal stirrup]

just use mas

[vernal sluice]

found it

[flat mist]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/654

[vernal sluice]

yeah I think I'll switch to that one

[unreal stirrup]

I don't like this one because i prefer clean hud

the other one have pop up when stim ready anyway

[vernal sluice]

it does but I prefer this I think

esp since I already use warp unbound timer

[flat mist]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/797

Bruhhh

Why

[vernal sluice]

Exe stance vet mains about to suddenly become really good at the game (not really)

Also my scum build if anyone wants to roast it https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a187062d-2583-40ad-905a-6a39191efec8/kritzkrieg

[near mauve]

this community really likes cheating

[lost ravine]

lol, lmao

[unreal stirrup]

I literally cannot see how this make you play better

[near mauve]

u literally never get punished for missing

its cheating

[unique dagger]

who tf needs this shit

like how does this even help

this shit turning into cs2 we had wallhacks now someone makes a triggerbot

someone code a spinbot man

[desert shard]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-darktide-40k-warhammer-warhammer-40k-gif-11092082638593707716

[bronze glade]

wtf lol

[patent bone]

Tac axe or Combat axe? What y'all think?

[spice mural]

I prefer the taxe myself. Great crit modifiers, super fast, and works very well with hive scum.

But there are builds to make the caxe work as well. I just prefer the taxe to fully utilize hyper violence.

[patent bone]

Oh? They good with carapace?

[spice mural]

It does fine.

[patent bone]

I'll test the taxe, and kick myself in the dongle for upgrading the caxe

[spice mural]

Note the caxe isn’t bad by any means. It’s a great weapon.

You just have to build it.

[patent bone]

Oh it is, I just already sacrificed a lot of useless junk to caxe and now have to start over lol

[spice mural]

Can I DM you?

[patent bone]

Ye

[mighty belfry]

combat knife is crazy good

both are but for different reasons

[zenith fern]

Imagine having skill

Darktide players really are just a whole breed that can't comprehend

[woeful hill]

Lmao

trigger bot in DT

[zenith fern]

The hell is destructibles aimlock gonna help with lmao

Mf blocking barrels explosions

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[compact oyster]

The aimbot is the funniest since they all die in melee

The program will force aimbot even in melee

[radiant acorn]

Are either of the dodge talents worth taking?

[limber cradle]

Both are depending on your personal tastes

[radiant acorn]

Are they mandotory or can you live without them?

Does it make or break builds?

[limber cradle]

No idea cause I've literally never not run nimble by choice

[radiant acorn]

Nimble is the distance or duration increase?

[flat mist]

Duration

[low harbor]

speed increase & dodge linger increase

[mighty belfry]

if small, nimble weapon, nimble (ofc)

if ranged heavy build or larger weapon with average dodges, alley rat

that's my formula

[bronze glade]

pretty much

[stray bridge]

I was always under the impression that dt mods are for people with disadvantages/disabilities but genuinely who is this mod for 😭

[tranquil fjord]

how is alley rat with heavy weapons?

i've literally never tried it

[mighty belfry]

good

mostly because it's actually a considerable movement speed increase with them

at least for me

just

be careful dodging on an incline lmao

[stray bridge]

Heavy Sword VII is pretty nasty on HS

With a standard Rampage + dependency build imo

[flat mist]

A tiny fraction of them are for accessibility

[mighty belfry]

I'm a VI fan personally

[tranquil fjord]

from my understanding, alley rat puts a 60 mobility Caxe in line with 60 mobility shivs (without alley rat)

at least when i look at the stats

[mighty belfry]

Pretty much

[tranquil fjord]

or is that 40% or .40 more dodge distance

[mighty belfry]

Or even more actually

[stray bridge]

what blessings do you have on it

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15532e1-a2e0-4a4c-b892-f8bd9c7f3528/toxin-turtolsky it's a little unconventional

but it gets the job done nicely

if you wanna run needler, by all means

[stray bridge]

This is VERY unconventional

But I could imagine that it works because of toxin

[mighty belfry]

Yep

It's a toxin propagator build

That just also happens to do a lot of melee damage since Scum is just like that

[stray bridge]

How do you maintain your keystone though

Or is your cd for your stims shorter than 90

[mighty belfry]

Sample collector + very high cleave weapon with a lot of crit + coated weaponry + toxin blackouts

It's really easy to cut down CD enough

If you feel it's a little long

Could very easily just take off two of the nodes on left bottom

And you're still golden honestly

[stray bridge]

Got it ]

I'm a bitch for unconventional builds, Ima try this one

[mighty belfry]

I ran it in rotten armor yesterday

Held up quite well since you don't have to worry so much about carapace blocking your cleave

And with every crit also doing stacks of toxin, it builds up even in pretty carapace dense hordes

[low harbor]

not exactly

it's more than shivs' dodge distance actually

[stray bridge]

Much appreesh Ima run it on truesolo and let you know what I think

[low harbor]

hive scum dodge base 2.5m
combat axe +1%, alley rat +50%
2.5(1.51) = 3.775m

shiv uses ninjaknife dodge template which has dodge base 3.0m
+11% gets u 3.33m

[mighty belfry]

might honestly try it on stimm crate since that would make the uptime on crit stimm a lot better actually

I want to say

I tried this as a silly experiment too

I was not anticipating it being as good and fun as it is

Especially since

Bulwark shields don't block your crits. :')

Well, they do but your sword won't stop on them

You'll still cleave through to hit other things aside them

[low harbor]

carapace cleave is just busted

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-but-now-attention-gif-19462469

[mighty belfry]

It also means Chained Deathblow uptime is actually a lot better than it seems

[stray bridge]

It's not the standard heavysword headtaker/Deathblow I've thought it would be

But what's the difference between Deathblow and Chained Deathblow though

[mighty belfry]

I consider this a class, that breaks conventions regularly

[stray bridge]

Aren't they the same thing just one needs to proc with crit

[mighty belfry]

Deathblow is literally Brutal Momentum

[stray bridge]

Yeah, I know

[mighty belfry]

Like word for word, the exact same thing.

[tranquil fjord]

i said in line but a slight bit more than would be more appropriate

but the actual math for it helps, thank you

[stray bridge]

wait whoops wrong blessing

I meant

uh

Perfect Strike vs deathblow

[mighty belfry]

Not, exactly.

[low harbor]

perfect strike is op on any weapon that can acquire good crit chance

[mighty belfry]

Deathblow lets you ignore hit mass on a weak spot kill

[low harbor]

it's op for the same reason sunder is op on power sword

[mighty belfry]

Perfect Strike lets you do it on a crit, and when you have a lot of crit, it actually makes that a lot more consistent.

And because there's no kill requirement, that means you don't have to kill an enemy for that swing to ignore carapace hitmass

[low harbor]

not ignore, just cleave through

[mighty belfry]

Well, yeah

Override cleave immunity basically

[low harbor]

I honestly think both sunder and perfect strike need rework

[stray bridge]

Good to know

[mighty belfry]

I want to iterate that Perfect Strike crits don't have infinite cleave

But they do cut down hit mass a lot

[low harbor]

smth like x50% mass for the first 3 enemies of an attack (so u don't actually cleave through a ridiculous number of enemies and high mass can still counter cleave somewhat)
instead of x25% mass for literally every enemy

[mighty belfry]

Which is why I run Battering Strikes since I usually play Havoc where hit mass is inflated af

Oh another thing that's really nice about PS here

If you're fighting a boss, it's way easier to hit things phasing through the boss

[stray bridge]

i'm interested now

I can already predict that this thing shreds in solo

[low harbor]

the main benefit is cleaving through enemies that normally counter cleave completely (mainly carapace and high mass units)

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Lesser single target damage overall but, when you can allocate your damage so much better through dense hordes, it's a trade off I think is worth having when Scum can amass so much melee damage as is

[low harbor]

like if ur fighting a bulwark while getting combo'd by a rager inside the bulwark

[mighty belfry]

I will say though, if solo. It may be better off running needler for more consistent single target

I just like boom bistol a lot

[stray bridge]

I'm probably going to use revolver

[marble seal]

@mighty belfry have you tried the rending blessing

[low harbor]

It’s kinda eh tbh

[mighty belfry]

I like it tbh

But I also don't think it's really necessary on Scum because of the heavy rending talent

hmm

Is 20% less crit chance worth trying it with perfect strike

honestly, cuz of light after special, it might actually be

and it'd also mean that frees up a talent

[stray mulch]

i can do the math

what would your average crit be without the 20%

if over 50% its probably not worth doing the math tbh, because on average that's probably going to be in favor of increased damage of any sort

assuming its over 20%

wait nvm, that's a crit perk....

[mighty belfry]

there's also the fact that crits are particularly valuable because of perfect strike

[stray mulch]

yeah, that's why i said nvm

kinda reliant on the crit

10% damage on crits is a good enough reason to just get more crit up to 75%. Or more if you can't get damage else where

[unreal stirrup]

light after special on hsword is still ass

they do cleave carapace but still doesn't clear crusher hitmass anyway

[hushed belfry]

any reason to not use the bazooka unless you're rocking a chem build?

[low harbor]

blackout is quite nice for melee builds

[mighty belfry]

i'm feeling perfect strike + bladed a lot actually

[mighty belfry]

ima be real, i think perfect strike + bladed momentum's actually better

[marble seal]

word

I gotta try it out

[mighty belfry]

20% crit chance while noticeable, is not a huge loss with crit maxxing from tree and crit stimm

[marble seal]

im too addicted to the adrenaline attack speed

[mighty belfry]

and you really feel the rending in mixed horde clear against flak

[marble seal]

really I thought the hsword had over 1 adm on flak

[mighty belfry]

carapace, my head mixed the two up lmao

it's enough crit chance that carapace isn't gonna cuck you out of getting bladed stacks

[unreal stirrup]

hsword have negative flak adm but it still good

[main wagon]

Hsword is in fact hsword...but then you take Rampage

Had a good time with it when I was getting all the HS penances

[calm aurora]

Not negative. Less than 1.

[unreal stirrup]

so negative

💀

[calm aurora]

100x0.1=10 not minus 10

You do less dmg not negative dmg.

[unreal stirrup]

I think we have different idea in this context

below 1 is negative

above 1 is positive

[calm aurora]

I'm interested in who's right mathematically.

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

No this is the context

[calm aurora]

Do we have a math major here?

[flat mist]

Over 1 and below 1, both positive

[unreal stirrup]

ok but like we talking about adm

[calm aurora]

I know what you mean

[flat mist]

I do too but im not gonna acknowledge it

[calm aurora]

If 1 is the base doing less than 1 means you're doing less dmg

But it's not right to say it's negative

[astral canyon]

If it was negative you'd be healing the enemy

[calm aurora]

Next modifier in Havoc!

[unreal stirrup]

stim technically count since once you get them to low enough hp they pop green stim and now they have more hp than base

[calm aurora]

🙁

[main trellis]

Unless rending stimm
Crit blessing for Hsword is… quite good but it can counterwork with what it wants to achieve in the first place… cause its just a kill not a weakspot one… atleast in my observations as i tested it

[main trellis]

Ikr? Foolish

I understand the thinking process but in terms of game work its wrong thinking

[flat mist]

Dad penis does not suffer fools

[zenith pagoda]

Heavy sword needs 3 blessing slots

Same with force sword

[calm aurora]

You mean illisi

[unreal stirrup]

force sword doesn't need 3 blessing

uncanny + superiority already problematic enough

[calm aurora]

Still doesn't save illisi

[unreal stirrup]

yeah just make the other 2 more broken because 1 shitty mark

it need adjustment but the other 2 doesn't

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-rigby-cat-rigby-the-cat-funny-silly-gif-2463265493534872578

[zenith pagoda]

My point being that the blessing pools are amazing

[winged bay]

Someone should tell fatshark that there are only 9 maps in havoc rotation instead of the usual 10 ( I think)

[main trellis]

Are there rly?

[winged bay]

I think they disabled gloriana when they fixed the spawns and I still don't see 10 maps

[main trellis]

No way gloriana… my goat…