it won't
#hivescum-class
bronze glade
even in a safe controlled environment :0
you don't even need to test
i'm just telling you
spice mural
Eh I’m not gonna argue. If folks are convinced Rashad is better I’ll just play along.
bronze glade
feel free to test for yourself
spice mural
feel free to test for yourself
Nah it’s fine. I’ll take your word for it.
bronze glade
lol k
mellow sparrow
does height matter on hs?
short height has the small hitbox right? while tall height has the head level advantage (easier to hit heads with melee something)
icy scaffold
It’s super minor iirc
spice cloud
More height is good if u wanna shoot
north saddle
Gentlemen, i have a auto pistol build, a chemist build, a braced autogun build, two melee builds and an infantry autogun build. I am getting bored. Anyone have a build concept that is not within that list?
spice cloud
Play stubs idk
north saddle
Already play them on one of my melee builds
spice cloud
Play them desperado
north saddle
Huh ...
spice cloud
The only way
spice mural
Gentlemen, i have a auto pistol build, a chemist build, a braced autogun build, ...
Challenge yourself by playing without talent points and gray weapons.
north saddle
spice cloud
Melee builds are legit too easy rn
spice cloud
Desperado with stubs is fun
north saddle
Desperado with stubs is fun
Aha. Anything specific? Chem dependency or the ranged Keystone?
north saddle
What Blessings and perks on the stubs?
spice cloud
Thx
U dont have to take slippery
Or jittery
I just like it
And run and gun and volley adept for the stubs
And i suggest shivs so you have something for crushers
Oh wait i forgot sticky hands too
bronze crown
Been thinking about it overall the T axe Mk 4 is best axe for HS.
spice mural
Been thinking about it overall the T axe Mk 4 is best axe for HS.
It works really well with crit.
You use the heavy for hyper violence and it’s bonus against carapace and then swing swing.
bronze glade
Been thinking about it overall the T axe Mk 4 is best axe for HS.
pretty build dependent. it's really good on a rampage adren build with attack speedmaxxing, but otherwise mk7 is better
spice mural
And chem dep stacks to really take full advantage of the nice amount of crit.
bronze crown
I just want to find ultimate objectivity in my HS.
spice mural
That’s what I use with the mk4 tbh.
bronze crown
spice mural
I just want to find ultimate objectivity in my HS.
Define “ultimate objectivity?”
lost ravine
just make your subjective opinion objectively correct 
spice mural
The only objective fact about our class is that it’s the best and anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong and hates us cause they ain’t us.
lost ravine
bronze crown
I can't and that is why I am frustrated. I blast everything with a Vraks and if I run out of ammo I want what will ever down a crusher or monstrosity the fastest.
spice cloud
I can't and that is why I am frustrated. I blast everything with a Vraks and if ...
I think the shivs are the perfect scum weapon
I wish there was more dual wielded stuff
spice mural
I think the shivs are the perfect scum weapon
I really wanted more skins for the shivs from penances or in the shop. Busted pipes, broken scissors, taped box cutters. There’s so much potential.
spice mural
I can't and that is why I am frustrated. I blast everything with a Vraks and if ...
I needle pistol them tbh.
spice cloud
Thats tge problem with desperado builds tbh
Just cant kill a crusher
When i run the stubs i just melee a lot
Even with fully stacked rending and vultures it almost takes an entire mag
And kinda stops u from keeping up despacito
bronze glade
Just cant kill a crusher<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
well you got launcher
shivs
rending stimm
north saddle
Thx
Just had a player shit on me for using the MKV vraks. Saying it fires to fast wasting dps and ammo. Then after i said that the gun has been gun meta for a while across 3 classes he Hit me with "maybe its Not the gun..."
bronze glade
yes vraks suffers, plz buff 🥺
spice mural
Just had a player shit on me for using the MKV vraks. Saying it fires to fast wa...
Shame about that pick pocket nerf even if I totally get why.
spice mural
it needed to be nerfed more really
You’re not wrong. Doesn’t mean I don’t miss it though.
I use a melee build but always having needle pistol ammo is lovely and wonderful.
manic wolf
I use a melee build but always having needle pistol ammo is lovely and wonderful...
It shouldnt have effected you at all then tbh
spice mural
It shouldnt have effected you at all then tbh
I still pay attention to the buffs and nerfs and sympathize with my shooty brethren.
north saddle
Shame about that pick pocket nerf even if I totally get why.
Eh, given how many times you have to whip out your melee
Pickpocket is fine
So is the vraksian mk V
The guy was just a douche
Did i mention that in the team whipe we had he died first because he rushed ahead....
north saddle
yes vraks suffers, plz buff 🥺
main wagon
Just had a player shit on me for using the MKV vraks. Saying it fires to fast wa...
I had a buddy refuse to drop the ammo box because the only person even near 0% ammo was a hive scum player lmao
jovial heron
Did i mention that in the team whipe we had he died first because he rushed ahea...
Well it was your fault
main wagon
Just distressed German “why doesn’t he have pickpocket?!”
Friend was playing Rumbler spam Ogryn too 
sleek raptor
What are the best blessings for stub pistols?
rotund agate
I no longer like taking pickpocket on my chemdep melee build.
not because its still too strong and I want more ammo management, but instead because I almost never proc it (I either find an ammo pickup, don't find elites to kill in melee by the time I get ammo, or don't spend so much ammo that I would need pickpocket on melee builds...)
limber cradle
I only spend ammo on chem dep melee builds if the run is mega fucked tbh
And atp pick probably isn't saving me
pearl heron
is hive fun
limber cradle
Very.
north saddle
Well it was your fault
Yeah, silly me for not being so awesome that turdymcturdface plays decently
limber cradle
Most fun class in game ime but I am addicted to the movement
pearl heron
thinking of getting it
north saddle
Just distressed German “why doesn’t he have pickpocket?!”
If you dont have pickpocket as a scum i either assume youre cracked and dont need it as a challenge run, or you shouldnt be allowed to play this class
north saddle
I had a buddy refuse to drop the ammo box because the only person even near 0% a...
Thats so me. I refuse giving hivescum players the ammo crate of they are the only one low. Also refuse to give arbites shotgun players the crate
Youre a MELEE CLASS for Pete's sake! Act like it !
jovial heron
Thats so me. I refuse giving hivescum players the ammo crate of they are the onl...
Well especially now that Alligator stance gives back a lot more ammo
main wagon
Never seen casti stance referred to as alligator stance but that's fucking hilarious
Calling it that from now on
DB Arbites with casti is genuinely hilarious
As long as you keep killing, you keep getting shells
bronze glade
DB Arbites with casti is genuinely hilarious
oh i need to try that lol
manic wolf
thinking of getting it
Do, most fun class at this point
jovial heron
The strength bonus on top feels very good
unreal stirrup
Most fun class in game ime but I am addicted to the movement
what do you mean falling out of the map isn't peak gameplay
jovial heron
Stairs and ramps the true nemesis of scum
main wagon
Stairs and ramps the true nemesis of scum
Slopes are the bane of my existence
Overheads catching you in that 0.2 frames you've caught hangtime
jovial heron
Apparently crushers play baseball in their spare time
mighty belfry
Thats so me. I refuse giving hivescum players the ammo crate of they are the onl...
...why?
austere topaz
They're like the exact opposite of a melee class lol
Their stated intention is to be a mid ranged gun class
unreal stirrup
I mean uh how do you even run out of ammo as scum
manic wolf
Slopes are the bane of my existence
Slopes an ramps? Hell nawh, its getting stuck on random bits of terrain on Expeditions
Or guardrails on normal maps
icy scaffold
Well especially now that Alligator stance gives back a lot more ammo
I thought it just put ammo into your clip from reserves
unreal stirrup
yeah it does
icy scaffold
So they’re not actually gaining ammo
jovial heron
I thought it just put ammo into your clip from reserves <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883...
Shhhh don’t tell them that. It’s funnier when they run out
icy scaffold
Damn, I was gonna level an Arbites if they actually regained ammo
jovial heron
Damn, I was gonna level an Arbites if they actually regained ammo <:KEKW_ogryn:1...
Yeah it’s still fun though slamming shotgun fire into a horde for 10 sec without having to reload
icy scaffold
True
mighty belfry
Their stated intention is to be a mid ranged gun class
Not really
Rampage Scum is 100% a melee heavy playstyle
Scum just goes one direction or the other.
jovial heron
Rampage Scum is 100% a melee heavy playstyle
Pfffff what gives you that impression? All the mentions of “MELEE DAMAGE”?
mighty belfry
Either really heavily ranged focused or really heavily melee focused.
austere topaz
Yeah obviously rampage scum is the melee build of the class, but the class is meant to be close ranged gunner. Just like how arbites is meant to be the "pet" class but you can still get rid of the dog
mighty belfry
Or I guess stim crate enables some hybrid play but
mighty belfry
Yeah obviously rampage scum is the melee build of the class, but the class is me...
I see more melee scum than anything though.
austere topaz
That's cause rampage is broken and doesn't have horrendous pathing rn
manic wolf
Yeah obviously rampage scum is the melee build of the class, but the class is me...
The class is "meant" to be what you prefer playing
If you find ranged builds a fucking snooze-fest (most of us do) then you play Rampage
mighty belfry
It can be a gunner class if you build it that way.
But that's not the entire shtick of the class.
austere topaz
Yeah people like diversity, hence why there's multiple talents, but the stated intention of the class from the get go was a close range gunner. That's literally what it was advertised as
manic wolf
Close range gunner, with the highest melee damage potential in the game
austere topaz
"What don't we have in the game yet" "A gunner that works in close range and dodges a lot"
Again that's literally just balance wise, rampage is insane and the pathing doesn't blow complete ass
manic wolf
Yes. correct, because melee requires you to have a functional braincell count, range builds don't, erefore they get penalised on point cost 😄
zenith fern
There is no ranged combat in this videogame
mighty belfry
Ranged Scum is also insane
zenith fern
Stop dreaming
mighty belfry
But its just fucking boring
zenith fern
PBB and exec stance are the only good ranged style in this game that fit
mighty belfry
But rampage Scum needs a nerf too after the rework honesty
zenith fern
PBB is not even ranged, more of a close quarters suppression
manic wolf
But rampage Scum needs a nerf too after the rework honesty
Bring back the rampage penalties
mighty belfry
Class in general is just really loaded in too many ways I think
austere topaz
Yes. correct, because melee requires you to have a functional braincell count, r...
I wouldn't say rampage melee means you need a braincell
manic wolf
I wouldn't say rampage melee means you need a braincell
More so than ranged builds, at least you need a grasp of the mechanics, ranged setups can let you ignore most of the actually threatening enemies and just walk though stuff
manic wolf
It does not require a brain anymore
Well, yes, but still more than pure-gun builds
dire badge
whats better for pure melee build? shivs or knife
manic wolf
TacAxe
zenith fern
whats better for pure melee build? shivs or knife
Yes
mighty belfry
whats better for pure melee build? shivs or knife
Devil's Claw
main wagon
Slopes an ramps? Hell nawh, its getting stuck on random bits of terrain on Exped...
Got stuck on the fucking ramp and died at the very end as one of two people alive
Valkyrie ramp has been killing folks since launch lmao
jovial heron
Devil's Claw
What mark though cause I have seen all of them mentioned
bronze glade
VII is the best
mighty belfry
What mark though cause I have seen all of them mentioned
VII imho
jovial heron
Hmmmm guess I’ll try it
unreal stirrup
the first one have worse single target combo but much better horde clear
imagine having a melee weapon that weak to flak fr fr
mighty belfry
And yet it's one of the best weapons on this class
unreal stirrup
I mean its no where near caxe
mighty belfry
But combat axe is boring
unreal stirrup
true
mighty belfry
And also doesn't have a parry
unreal stirrup
you have so much mobility as scum you're practically immune to bosses anyway
💀
if there space
zenith pagoda
Parry is the only thing that makes dclaw good, hsword is better in every other way
mighty belfry
The humble daemonhost
unreal stirrup
I don't get raped by bosses in havoc enough ig
zenith pagoda
Not got hit with nasty sword captain combos?
unreal stirrup
i used to think sword captain are bullshit but they're meh
mighty belfry
Parry is the only thing that makes dclaw good, hsword is better in every other w...
It's D Claw's blessing pool that really gives it some value
As it turns out
unreal stirrup
block + movement is enough
brave beacon
ok so ive been away for over a month... i see LOADS has changed... how nerffed is gun scum now?
unreal stirrup
vt2 genuinely make me better at darktide
bronze glade
ok so ive been away for over a month... i see LOADS has changed... how nerffed i...
nerfed? you think we nerf things around here?
zenith pagoda
That's only for ogryn 
brave beacon
i see pick pocket got kicked in the teeth
mighty belfry
Turning a finesse weapon into a blunt object that can regularly stagger anything that isn't a boss and also makes it take nearly double damage, is actually better than people think it is.
icy scaffold
ok so ive been away for over a month... i see LOADS has changed... how nerffed i...
It’s so nerfed, you have to one shot a random special/elite with your shivs if you ever run out of ammo (impossible)
bronze glade
i see pick pocket got kicked in the teeth
you mean slapped on the wrist
mighty belfry
i see pick pocket got kicked in the teeth
That was a pull of the finger at most.
icy scaffold
I still would’ve preferred to see range immunity go over pickpocket
mighty belfry
Ya
mighty belfry
Skullcrusher HB D claw is actually really strong
unreal stirrup
yeah ignore that you can't run crit and cleave blessing
bronze glade
SC, who needs crit or cleave
jovial heron
Damn d claw on with HB and Skull on the stagger master class?
bronze glade
dclaw would actually go pretty hard on arbi
calm aurora
yeah ignore that you can't run crit and cleave blessing
You got talents and keystone for that
mighty belfry
yeah ignore that you can't run crit and cleave blessing
Don't really need cleave
unreal stirrup
dclaw would actually go pretty hard on arbi
yeah having skullcrusher non conditionally is pretty huge
mighty belfry
You stagger so much that hit mass gets depleted so it virtually increases your cleave anyway.
north saddle
...why?
Because you get two ammo crates in the match (If you even find them). I am not wasting it one on a singular person that cant manage their ammo. My rule of thumb is that at least two players need to have red ammo counters in order to qualify for the crate deployment. I hate nothing more in this game than people who waste med packs or ammo crates. Oh, wait, untrue. I hate people who voluntarily pick up grimmoires even more
unreal stirrup
staggered enemy does decrease hitmass but like in practice new enemy swarm in fast enough for it to be worse than on paper anyway
especially with increased mass in havoc
calm aurora
Well you still have hc, hv, battering strikes, power on rampage, coated, splash dmg...
north saddle
They're like the exact opposite of a melee class lol
Almost all their TDR, TReg and other crazy bonuses comes from stagger. They have the highest melee stagger in the game, weapons and stats wise. They are THE melee class. Its even evident by the lack of distinct long range only Keystones, of which they have very few. The only more melee class is the zealot
calm aurora
It's not like you're suffering to thin the horde
calm aurora
Almost all their TDR, TReg and other crazy bonuses comes from stagger. They have...
More like close quarters than melee.
north saddle
More like close quarters than melee.
Tbh same thing in a horde hack and slash where the majority of enemies wields melee
calm aurora
Well, with castigator and a bunch of other talents you can really do close quarter gun.
dire badge
whats the best tim with pure melee build?
calm aurora
Still not on the level of exec vet imho
calm aurora
whats the best tim with pure melee build?
Tim?
dire badge
stim
jovial heron
Strength
mighty belfry
Because you get two ammo crates in the match (If you even find them). I am not w...
On one hand, I guess I get it if they are just being really hasty with ammo.
On the other hand, sometimes that person has just had a bunch of ammo bags snagged so they're left in the red. Because that can and honestly will happen in pubs lol
reef spoke
You should always pick up ammo even as pickpocket
Simply because stealing is in your nature 
steep shale
A WHAT
bronze glade
https://tenor.com/view/scum-wretched-villany-tattooine-gif-10985312
shiv scum is a magic trick that makes mixed hordes disappear
bronze glade
sorry but i was the first
anyone else with that name is just a cheap knockoff
though i will say
i haven't seen that name out in the wild
mighty belfry
sorry but i was the first
bronze glade
HivesCum name
actually this isn't even my name smh. get it right.
jovial heron
bronze glade
north saddle
On one hand, I guess I get it if they are just being really hasty with ammo.
On...
In that case i could maybe make an exception. I also shout out ammo bags all the time, pin them and never take more than i need
jovial heron
In that case i could maybe make an exception. I also shout out ammo bags all the...
People really ignore ammo pings in this game
north saddle
People really ignore ammo pings in this game
Ive not been above typing in chat that ive pinged ammo as long as the situation allows it. Sometimes i even spam pin.
jovial heron
Ive not been above typing in chat that ive pinged ammo as long as the situation ...
I recently played with a veteran who would type reloading every time they reloaded
Crazy
north saddle
I recently played with a veteran who would type reloading every time they reload...
His difficulty was too low If he had time for that
jovial heron
It was auric maelstrom. His spelling sucked
north saddle
If i was clutching my pearls while typing my spelling would suck ass too
jovial heron
Hahaha
quick mica
Everyone says needle pistol is really good, but outside of bosses, I feel like on elites other people just kill it before the toxins tick any meaningful damage
(Auric)
north saddle
Go higher up in diff
Or play with dogshit teammates
There is an abundance of the latter
clever wren
I recently played with a veteran who would type reloading every time they reload...
Surely, surely it was a bind
jovial heron
Surely, _surely_ it was a bind
It was a different spelling everytime
Plasma vet was crazy
unreal stirrup
needler literally kill everything except mauler and up in 1 shot so there a lot of value
limber cradle
@mighty belfry idk if you've tried it or not but I've been using 1 stamina, 1 toughness, 1 HP on scum and like it
river flicker
Why no new skins for this class?
limber cradle
I don't think anyone has a truly confirmed answer
Leading theory is GW being GW about it
mighty belfry
<@109528432425062400> idk if you've tried it or not but I've been using 1 stamin...
I like it too.
limber cradle
It just makes sense tbh
plucky nymph
does skullcrusher proc on twins when their shield breaks and htey kinda stagger themselves
plucky nymph
kool. been tryin hammerblow skrusher, shred skrusher, shred rampage. i think shred skrusher seems to be the play on dclaw
mighty belfry
I like hammerblow cuz stagger crushers is funny
plucky nymph
i thought it wa sfunny too but then im always beign chased by 20 overheads so i realized knocking 1 doesnt really chang my gameplan much xD
prime violet
Who would win, a fully armored behemoth swinging a rock taped to a stick at full force or a twink with some shit sword
astral canyon
twink with a rock
prime violet
bronze glade
Who would win, a fully armored behemoth swinging a rock taped to a stick at full...
screwdrivers*
solemn fossil
chem dependency seems kinda shit ngl
brittle sierra
chem dependency seems kinda shit ngl
By itself yeah
The crit node tho 
solemn fossil
i mean it feels like the stim takes too long ot regenerate if you want it to actually be useful and the stacks only last 90s
trim wind
take sample collector
solemn fossil
is that what that does??? why tf does ONLY this perk call them cartel special bruh
trim wind
pretty sure its used elsewhere, but yes
astral canyon
i mean it feels like the stim takes too long ot regenerate if you want it to act...
even a maxed out stimm takes exactly 90s to recharge (15s base duration and 75s cooldown)
so as long as you have sample collector youre pretty much guaranteed to have the stimm before you lose a stack
spice mural
With rampage up only? It took me about 3-4 seconds to kill an auric crusher.
And that’s without setup from hyperviolence.
Just rampage and no stimm and no crit from float.
With stimm and rampage it took me about 2.5~
Oh I forgot to put carapace on it. With carapace and a good crit chain it took me 2.5 with rampage.
sleek raptor
What's up with the focused resolve ability?
spice mural
What's up with the focused resolve ability?
Am I blind? I don’t see it on the talent tree.
sleek raptor
the lower thing on the desperado ability
It's description seems like it would just be a downgrade
Oh wait never mind
I just got it lol
spice mural
Reducing cooldown doesn’t seem like a downgrade to me.
bronze glade
With rampage up only? It took me about 3-4 seconds to kill an auric crusher.
Rashad vs. Mk IV Taxe vs. Mk VII Taxe
Rampage and Adren up
same build ofc
bronze glade
anyway the entire point of taxe is that it's faster and more mobile
but does less damage than caxe
so it's expected that rashad would be superior in a straight dps match
otherwise there'd be no reason to use rashad
spice mural
Taxe also crits more and better to stack toxin which is what I do with my build.
bronze glade
esports ready
flat mist
so as long as you have sample collector youre pretty much guaranteed to have the...
You dont even need sample collector. They coded a 1s leeway so if you use a max viscosity stimm with chem dep you can still hit max stacks.
Same applies to 45s cd stim with maxed out chems
maiden pine
saw someone named epstimm
flat mist
saw someone named epstimm
Did they kill themselves
prime violet
They probably claimed to be "Stimm Beach Pete"
main trellis
You dont even need sample collector. They coded a 1s leeway so if you use a max ...
Just be 1 sec fast ye; pop it when its ready not when you really need it ye
flat mist
Just be 1 sec fast ye; pop it when its ready not when you really need it ye
You only have to do this twice lol
flat mist
I hate you
flat mist
I am the evil one stop stealing my thing
main trellis
I am the evil one stop stealing my thing
Oh you’re evil alright just not super evil!
flat mist
Time to email my therapist again smdh head
main trellis
Goddamn it
Man i hoped you would catch on the meme with this
flat mist
Man i hoped you would catch on the meme with this
Like a specific meme? I never get pop culture references
main trellis
Like a specific meme? I never get pop culture references
Megamind one
flat mist
My gf works in film and she likes slipping movie references into our convos to see if i catch them and i've got a hit rate of like 0.8%
mellow sparrow
esports ready
i like ur name
flat mist
She's a clever girl
jovial heron
My gf works in film and she likes slipping movie references into our convos to s...
Ooof
flat mist
jovial heron
subtle phoenix
what should i use as the dump stat for the dual stab pistols? mobility or collateral?
mellow sparrow
man i hope they buff the bonesaw
prime violet
Collateral is generally pretty worthless
maiden pine
Did they kill themselves
belonged to epstimm memepire
killing one stimm doesn't make all the stimms go away
flat mist
killing one stimm doesn't make all the stimms go away
What are the underage kids in this metaphor
subtle phoenix
Collateral is generally pretty worthless
what does it do?
livid raven
move the mouse over it and it tells you
zenith fern
what does it do?
stagger/impact
livid raven
and suppression, but those don't matter
most weapons don't gain anything by having 20 more collateral
zenith fern
dual stubs already have pretty weak stagger points anyway
subtle phoenix
so mobility or collateral dosnt really matter just to take the first I find at 60
prime violet
Eh, dual stubs and hive thrive on mobility, so collateral is a better dump imo but it's preference
maiden pine
What are the underage kids in this metaphor
havent thought this thru
dire badge
any good alternative for a gun on a pure melee build? other than the fent gun
zenith fern
any good alternative for a gun on a pure melee build? other than the fent gun
dual stubs, bistol, revolver, shotguns
dire badge
revolver yeah forgot baout that one
lost ravine
Seek seek lest
haven't heard that in ages
mellow sparrow
do u guys prefer the dual stubs than the stim pistol?
kinda useful sometimes due to so much gunners
vapid jungle
I prefer it cos its more fun but stim pistol is objectively better
vapid jungle
on revolver*
Flakiac surgical hand cannon
livid raven
do u guys prefer the dual stubs than the stim pistol?
you would see many prefer it because the sneedler is like the most unsatisfying gun in the game while dual stubs are much more interesting
but obviously the sneedler is much better
mellow sparrow
yeah thought so tooo
spice mural
do u guys prefer the dual stubs than the stim pistol?
I love the needle pistol’s damage. Aesthetically the Uzis and the stubs are superior but you can’t argue with results.
I don’t even like DoT effects or builds generally speaking but the hive scum changed my mind.
cedar cairn
Stubs are good for Desperado builds, not that great for melee
livid raven
they are not even that good for desperado builds
if anything, they are better as a sidearm
spice cloud
I disagree
cedar cairn
Yeah they're not the best option for Desperado, but they're fun
unreal stirrup
I don’t even like DoT effects or builds generally speaking but the hive scum cha...
having the fastest tick rate + damage + adm does that to you
zenith fern
mellow sparrow
astral canyon
who the fuck had the idea of a horizontal heavy attack with zero fucking cleave
zenith fern
Funny
astral canyon
it sucks because i fucking love heavy sweeps
spice mural
“So it’s a sci-fi game? What kind of weapons does it have?”
“An axe. Just an axe.”
steep shale
That’s warhammer for you
dusk dock
but where IS the warhammer 40k?
astral canyon
“So it’s a sci-fi game? What kind of weapons does it have?”
“An axe. Just an ax...
i mean any sci-fi setting will still have basic ass weapons like that
theyre always going to be significantly cheaper to produce than any super advanced sci-fi bulshit tech
steep shale
Cheap and simple to make weapons never go out of style
shrewd chasm
I gotta ask yall since I wanna get into havoc games and like aruric maelstrom missions... how much is the talent tree skill distribution on that
Like
If I'm really good at combat but my build is a bit over the place how much will my talents effect my gameplay
livid raven
a lot
icy scaffold
Depends on what you mean by “a bit over the place” too
A lot of talents are preference outside of the core damage talents you generally need
spice mural
I gotta ask yall since I wanna get into havoc games and like aruric maelstrom mi...
Early havoc is malice+ difficulty. So you don’t need a flawless meta build and absolutely flawless gameplay to get your feet wet.
1-10 is malice+, 11-20 is heresy+, etc.
shrewd chasm
Depends on what you mean by “a bit over the place” too <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
I'll try to find my semi support build with adrenaline frenzy and stim crate
Here is the main build I use with screw shivs and needle pistol
shrewd chasm
Early havoc is malice+ difficulty. So you don’t need a flawless meta build and a...
Ok I see I see I'm understanding
Here is my main build for regular auric missions haven't played a maelstrom yet
dense hollow
Here is my main build for regular auric missions haven't played a maelstrom yet
no nimble
shrewd chasm
It used to be in my build before the talent tree rework but now idk what to swap out to get it
dense hollow
virulent strain isn't really doing a whole lot
shrewd chasm
Ok
When I get back home I will try it our thank you that might be why my build feels shaker softer patch maybe nimble does make that much of a difference
vivid nest
Regarding havocs: get a microstim build with just 15 secs cd on medcrate (booby trap might even be worth it then) to negate blight spreads.
shrewd chasm
Ok then I'd need to figure out what perk to swap off after virulent strain
To get the trap
vivid nest
I do play that almost always on my scum now but against blight it’s just the best.
I can’t really help with that build because I mainly play chemical dependency as keystone. Also pick pocket and hive city brawler.
spice mural
Ok I see I see I'm understanding
That’s fair. The mindset with havoc is the 40+ where the director throws everything at you. But when you’re first climbing the ladder it’s really not that bad.
shrewd chasm
That’s fair. The mindset with havoc is the 40+ where the director throws everyth...
Genuinely I thought having 1-10 was gonna be bas auric with how.people phrase havoc 40 in comparison
dense hollow
you don't even start at havoc 1 if you do an auric maelstorm
you start at 16 and it's still like malice or heresy
spice mural
Genuinely I thought having 1-10 was gonna be bas auric with how.people phrase ha...
Nah it’s malice. It even gives you an extra wound like on uprising/malice
You get the sense for 1-10 the game wants you to succeed.
I did the heresy maelstrom and didn’t get the skip. I only just hit clearance 15.
main trellis
it sucks because i fucking love heavy sweeps
use Thrust & Brutal; Heavy + Push Att
shrewd chasm
what do yall reccomend to replace to get booby trapped stim crate
livid raven
what do yall reccomend to replace to get booby trapped stim crate
battering strikes
actually
you didn't pick street tough
it's one of the best talents in the game
steep shale
Street tough is the ogryn talent in disguise on scum right
The one that pushes enemies back when they melee you
bronze glade
truly a glass cannon class
plucky nymph
ngl for rotted stims, dclaw not bad on h40
the boss dmg is funny xd
magic trick, make the health bar disappear
oblique grail
Is hivescum worth the grind? Haven’t touched it yet and really only play zealot. Any opinions?
icy scaffold
Is hivescum worth the grind? Haven’t touched it yet and really only play zealot....
Do you like being a glass cannon? Do you like super high mobility? Do you want to get carpal tunnel clicking as fast as you can with dumb attack speed in melee? Do you like to shoot 95% of the match?
oblique grail
Do you like being a glass cannon? Do you like super high mobility? Do you want t...
Melee is always the go to
crimson moss
hivescum reliably does what veterans wish they could do with the autopistol
if the autopistol wasn't shit
shrewd chasm
it's one of the best talents in the game
i didnt i thought i did
ohh i was thinking burst of energy was streeet tough
shrewd chasm
The one that pushes enemies back when they melee you
yeah
rustic zinc
Is hivescum worth the grind? Haven’t touched it yet and really only play zealot....
Yeah if you're a zealot who loves melee, scum will be super fun for you (specifically rampage+chemicalDep builds), though it definitely lacks the Until Death safety net of Zealot.
steel atlas
which personality voice line is your favorite (male/female) for hive scum
shrewd chasm
which personality voice line is your favorite (male/female) for hive scum
male and female outlaw
lost ravine
Yeah if you're a zealot who loves melee, scum will be super fun for you (specifi...
in return it has the safety net of funny DR
calm aurora
Hot take: zealots only proce until death because they're less tanky than scums
astral canyon
which personality voice line is your favorite (male/female) for hive scum
fem anarchist
loud herald
which personality voice line is your favorite (male/female) for hive scum
male outlaw on rampage activation going "YEAHHHHHHHHH LET'S GO"
bronze crown
So Tactical Axe Mark IV or Mark VII?
calm aurora
Mk7 is considered the better taxe
solemn fossil
chem dependency seems kinda shit ngl
nvm i misunderstood how it works its fire actually
zenith fern
So Tactical Axe Mark IV or Mark VII?
mk7
solemn fossil
btw is it worth it to keep my stimms cooldown low at the cost of some nodes to use it more if im running chem dependency or should i just max it out
putting it at 15s cooldown and taking the perk that gives you 50% toughness on use and just spamming it might be funny ngl
bronze glade
15s cd stimms aren't really worth it
bronze glade
esp if you're taking sample collector
i'd recommend one branch if you want a balanced stimm
solemn fossil
15s cd stimms aren't really worth it
consider chem dependency with all three keystone modifier perks tho
yeah nah im running full toughness tree rn at lvl 25 and nothing else to max out chen dependency and keep it maxed while still having actual utility in instantly full healing my toughness, like a panic button
bronze glade
consider chem dependency with all three keystone modifier perks tho
4 stacks ain't worth it
the other subnodes are good tho
zenith fern
you just had a small hiccup
plucky nymph
from yesterday too xD
solemn fossil
4 stacks ain't worth it
with the crit node thats 4 plus 5% crit rates, idk how this game calulates % so idk if thats 20% or whatever the % addition number would be but either way
bronze glade
with the crit node thats 4 plus 5% crit rates, idk how this game calulates % so ...
yeah not worth a talent point
main wagon
from yesterday too xD
Oh I've got a good one for this
bronze glade
and really kills your stimming flexibility
solemn fossil
done this more times then i care to admit
plucky nymph
and really kills your stimming flexibility
the benefit should be stacks to 5 instead of 4 to make it even worth it, even then i still don think its worth it xd
main wagon
from yesterday too xD
plucky nymph
i only hear audio, discord sux
bronze glade
the benefit should be stacks to 5 instead of 4 to make it even worth it, even th...
5 stacks i'd consider it
main wagon
i only hear audio, discord sux
I either slid through or UNDER the railing and get instantly overheaded by a nearby mauler, dropping me lmao
bronze glade
got gangbanged by the mauler, trashcan, and the railing
main wagon
The God Emperor called back his most faithful child
Or yeah, I got gangbanged by a dumpster and poor safety regulation lmao
Such is life on Hive Tertium
main wagon
THE HANG TIME
Gets me every time too lmao
That raspberry so perfectly encapsulates those moments
loud herald
solemn fossil
what the difference between the needle gun marks their stats seem to be identical
zenith fern
male outlaw on rampage activation going "YEAHHHHHHHHH LET'S GO"
Female version of it is so funny
Girl is having such a fun time
loud herald
lol I bet
zenith fern
The female Outlaw voiceline of desperado use about the fish on a barrel is also a good one
zenith fern
bone saw mastery skin is so ugly
just like 70% of mastery skins
Nerf toy looking guns
solemn fossil
pickaxe candy cane for ogryn
looks good on bolters and a few regular guns and nothin else
solemn fossil
what the difference between the needle gun marks their stats seem to be identica...
does anyone know this tho
lost ravine
Girl is having such a fun time
such a good voice
shame that the recent changes sent the class into the stratosphere
lost ravine
zenith fern
I CANT HEAR YOU, TOO BUSY KILLING THINGS! :DD
solemn fossil
thanks
crazy how theres unique poses for every unique weapon except the two i use
needle pistol and saw
fat fish rlly said fuck poison builds
bronze glade
i honestly don't see much of a point in tox builds rn
zenith fern
Scum is so overbuffed, tox builds are not even needed to exist anymore
bronze glade
yeah
zenith fern
astral canyon
gough
warm axle
get this class in a half-pipe. i need to hear THPS sound effects with that insane boneless lip trick.
warm axle
bone saw mastery skin is so ugly
wont forgive what they did to the crowbar's mastery skin
but the bonesaw is genuinely a nerf. it's harder to tell what coating you're using! ||as if anyone changes off tox on purpose lol||
shrewd chasm
bring back gang tough
what if gang tough in place of street tough on the skill tree
austere dagger
does 3x 5% hp perks on curios reach the threshold on surviving a burster on h40?
unique dagger
does 3x 5% hp perks on curios reach the threshold on surviving a burster on h40?
yes
I run 2x 17 toughness 1 3 stam curio
with hp toughness gunner res on perks
and it's enough
austere dagger
ty
main trellis
https://tenor.com/view/kalameet-hawkeye-gough-sniper-sniped-archer-gif-904932350...
The music in that cutscene was cinema (in a boss fight too)
main trellis
does 3x 5% hp perks on curios reach the threshold on surviving a burster on h40?
1 is enough even
austere dagger
ty
lusty spear
Hey my fellow scummers, how do I build Needle pistol?
mighty belfry
Hey my fellow scummers, how do I build Needle pistol?
Everything except ammo and mobility are dump stats
unreal stirrup
stability affect hipfire so not dump
mighty belfry
Oh ya
Stab
And blessings is really up to you tbh
Personally, Stripped Down and Run n' Gun are my picks
mighty belfry
stripped down is a must
Eh, I don't think it's a must but, it's definitely one of the more valuable ones to pick
unreal stirrup
I mean the other one are dogshit since they only proc on kill
and doesn't count dot
lusty spear
Everything except ammo and mobility are dump stats
Yeah but what about talents and stuff
Also what melee should I use with it?
mighty belfry
Yeah but what about talents and stuff
Perks for me are Unyielding + reload speed
You can run it with literally anything
If anything, needler actively lets you run melee weapons that aren't that strong against carapace or unyielding
Like devil's claw or heavy sword
lusty spear
Which weapons are usable on scum
mighty belfry
For melee
...pretty much everything
For ranged. Really just depends what you're trying to do
The build you choose does matter a bit there
lusty spear
...pretty much everything
What about crowbar
lusty spear
I like rampage
mighty belfry
It's just not great for anything but the ability that buffs your melee to high noon because it simply isn't great on its own
lusty spear
IT just feels hard to justify running anything but shivs
unreal stirrup
they're but id rather use the knife or caxe
one is more fun and one is just better
taxe too
mighty belfry
I agree. But I really can't say shivs are "overrated" tho
They're still a top pick for a reason
lusty spear
Whenever I use combat or tactical axe they feel kinda underwhelming
mighty belfry
But personally
lusty spear
I dunno if I'm using em wrong
mighty belfry
I'm a d claw/heavy sword propagandist
Because those weapons are actually really good and fun on scum
lusty spear
But what if a CARAPACE enemy shows up
mighty belfry
Shrimply hit them with heavies because you do have a node that gives you rending on those
And heavy sword special inflicts brittleness
Or, since you were asking before, just use your needler
It will kill them well enough that you can take having a weapon that's less than stellar for those enemies
lusty spear
It just feels sorta shitty when your weapons sucks at killing some enemies
mighty belfry
They won't if you run rampage with that node
25% rending is no joke
They won't be the absolute best but they will be serviceable enough for the sake of having weapons that are amazing against everything else
mighty belfry
Perks are whatever you want to die fastest
Blessings are Shock and Awe + Decimator/Wrath
Just understand. It's a weapon that plays really hard into the DoT gimmick
While not being a very great feeling melee weapon ime
mighty belfry
My personal way to run it is Flak + Carapace, Superiority + Opportunist or Can Opener
Id also run needler because it simply is not great against unyielding enemies
lusty spear
Which melee do I run if I just wanna kill everything
bronze glade
rashad prob
mighty belfry
Shiv, combat knife, caxe, taxe
Rashad is the best hive scum melee with proper investment
It's also extremely boring so I don't like it.
lusty spear
What makes Rashad good?
mighty belfry
Brutal Momentum. Extremely good Carapace ADM. Very simple to use. High damage.
The only true drawback to it is that its mobility is average.
And I suppose if you're not hitting heads, it doesn't feel very good.
But uh
That's it really.
clever wren
You have to put in effort to not hit heads with Rashad
main wagon
Like everything is an overhead lmao
north saddle
Brutal Momentum. Extremely good Carapace ADM. Very simple to use. High damage.
Doesnt it also have a decent unyielding damage stat?
mighty belfry
Doesnt it also have a decent unyielding damage stat?
Yeah. It just works against everything really.
north saddle
I actually like it on Veteran. Feels good. Although i like to use a stamina curio with it because of how much blocks drain
dense hollow
i mean combat axe has like
4 stamina
you kinda have to use stamina curio if you wanna be comfortable
north saddle
You can do it without. But that is tricky
dense hollow
i mean you can do it without it
but you get 75% more stamina for having a +3 stamina curio
makes revives easier
north saddle
I know. On my nimble classes like psyker and scum i usually dont use a stam curio. But ogryn and Veteran definetly need it
At least at my skilllevel
dense hollow
i use triple toughness on ogryn and veteran but use a +3 stamina on vet if im using caxe
double toughness and +3 stamina generically on scum because of the attack speed node
north saddle
I go all toughness ony scum. He frail af
Although you could argue that his mobility is his best shield
But my game sputters and laggs more than a failing electrical system, so blocking/evading all attacks is out of the question....
The amount of times the game just ignored my blocks/dodges 
dense hollow
I go all toughness ony scum. He frail af
I find the third toughness curio to not really impact the survivability that much for scum, most death scenarios probably don't really get much help from the third toughness curio but one +3 stamina might help more for overall survivability, mobility and all that.
Third toughness means you survive one or two extra gunner shots and take slightly less chip damage but chip damage isnt too big of a deal on scum since most things either nuke you or don't
calm aurora
You can put +2 stam on your rashad too. That's what I did. On my shivs too.
shrewd chasm
what is good perks to put on the tox gun
fervent flint
just got back to this game after months did HS range get nerf? cause i remember then you get ammo regen on kills
unreal stirrup
You can put +2 stam on your rashad too. That's what I did. On my shivs too.
actually fucking insane considering scum stamina
💀
rotund agate
what is good perks to put on the tox gun
reload speed and sprint efficiency are what I use (tox gun aka needler does not have use for any direct damage)
although, I guess taking bonus crit chance instead of sprint efficiency could be good too (especially if you use the non-mk2 tox gun (I don't remember the mark) because that has more tox stacks when critting)
fervent flint
just got back to this game after months did HS range get nerf? cause i remember ...
nvm i pickpocket got changed to melee kills only
spice mural
what is good perks to put on the tox gun
I use carapace and unyielding. (That’s my main targets for it since I’m a melee build an stab all the other stuff)
fervent flint
i think
spice mural
The only true drawback to it is that its mobility is average.
It’s also slow compared to shivs or taxe so you can’t get as much mileage out of hyper violence.
maiden pine
what is the dump stat on dual autopistols??
north saddle
You can put +2 stam on your rashad too. That's what I did. On my shivs too.
That sounds like a good idea
Currently run cara and unyielding on it. Dont know If that affects any breakpoints tho?
zenith fern
nvm i pickpocket got changed to melee kills only
fun is over
ranged scum players now have to go melee how tragic
maiden pine
unreal stirrup
reload speed and sprint efficiency are what I use (tox gun aka needler does not ...
damage perk affect dot
💀
north saddle
Weapon be like:
shrewd chasm
reload speed and sprint efficiency are what I use (tox gun aka needler does not ...
sounds very good to put on it tbh as it is mostly a secondary for melee builds and unless the tox DOT scales with damage perks i dont see those doing well
dense hollow
sounds very good to put on it tbh as it is mostly a secondary for melee builds a...
the dot scales with the dmg perks
if you hold something with 25% dmg to carapace
shrewd chasm
ok so carapace and flak is a good idea
shrewd chasm
ok
north crow
Does it change anything tho
do 25% carapace on it changes breakpoints?
or you still need 30 stacks
vapid jungle
Its just faster ttk. Don't obsess over breakpoints the game isnt played in the psykhanium
astral canyon
i dont think you need 30 stacks for crushers anyways
calm aurora
Currently run cara and unyielding on it. Dont know If that affects any breakpoin...
I would keep cara. Tbh I need to test in the psykhanium to see if there's a bp for crushers or maulers. But with rampage, stim, hyper violence... I don't think you'll have a problem.
Unarmored + stamina may be a better alternative
astral canyon
i think theyre talking about rashad or shivs
rashad likes unarmored+carapace
also i dont think stamina perk is worth replacing a +25% damage perk for +4% attack speed
spice mural
what unarmored even do 💀
Bonus damage to groaners mostly.
And dregs.
6 armor types is a lot though. Could probably stand to prune that down.
astral canyon
the only thing i could see being removed is infested and unarmored being merged
tranquil fjord
all enemies are infested by nurgle if you think about it
so its rather confusing because some are meant to be more infested? and that is what they mean
calm aurora
what unarmored even do 💀
It's to speed up horde clear on bruisers and start the hyperviolence train
(with rashad)
unreal stirrup
It's to speed up horde clear on bruisers and start the hyperviolence train
rashad already 1 shot scab bruiser
even before adrenaline
spice mural
Maybe maniac? Trappers and scab flamers would just go to flak. Dreg ragers and tox flamers could go to unarmored. Scab ragers are carapace and flak already iirc.
@astral canyon
But merging infested and unarmored is a good idea.
Unless they were to just condense it all to unarmored, flak, and carapace.
astral canyon
But merging infested and unarmored is a good idea.
i feel like anything beyond merging these two would be too much
i dont really mind having all these armor types
hybrid veldt
I know this is kinda random but anyone got any good phone games
Theyd recommend?
Besides gacha games
astral canyon
soul knight
lusty spear
Gladiator manager
astral canyon
soul knight should still be there
hybrid veldt
Ill give both of those a check
calm aurora
rashad already 1 shot scab bruiser
On scum? Without any buff?
unreal stirrup
On scum? Without any buff?
headtaker + talent is enough
astral canyon
<@681239990705061933> Is it a bit game?
its a roguelite
unreal stirrup
you don't even need hv to 1 shot bruiser
calm aurora
We're talking without ANY buff
hybrid veldt
Ah okay
unreal stirrup
We're talking without ANY buff
💀
calm aurora
And you're not taking hv to oneshot bruisers lol
Path was advocating for unarmored on rashadscum
It's not needed but convenient
unreal stirrup
I'm talking about you don't even need hv to hit the bp aka you don't need unarmored on the axe
you take sweet spot on the left side which coincidentally the side with pickpocket
which is enough to 1 shot bruiser at 1 ht stack
calm aurora
Ok so you need 2 things. Sweet spot and 1ht stack
unreal stirrup
you don't even need to stack hv to 1 shot bruiser
calm aurora
Taking unarmored makes it so you don't need ht
unreal stirrup
or use unarmored
bronze glade
either approach is valid imo
unreal stirrup
taking unarmored also make you unable to pick unyielding or cara
unreal stirrup
sweet spot apply to all enemy since it just weakspot damage boost
unreal stirrup
Unyielding is whatever
+25% more damage against bosses is very noticeable in havoc
unreal stirrup
either approach is valid imo
not anymore after they added channeled devastation
calm aurora
I use the needler for that
bronze glade
not anymore after they added channeled devastation
If I’m going Rashad I’m probably not going to be too concerned about crit
unreal stirrup
you already have 20% base lol
- butterfly mean 40%
it's pretty noticeable when bossing when crit proc
unreal stirrup
If I’m going Rashad I’m probably not going to be too concerned about crit
also it increase damage just by having crit chance
limber cradle
I defo notice even in hordes if I don't run float tbh
unreal stirrup
also single crit is enough to insta kill mauler
limber cradle
Granted I use crit heavy weapons
unreal stirrup
caxe doesn't "rely" on crit but it has high enough finesse to make them massive bonus
calm aurora
I think it's more noticeable on taxe
calm aurora
Qqq1qq
unreal stirrup
😔
calm aurora
Nevertheless, I use stam and cara on my Rashad. Because I like the +10% attack speed with my stam curio.
vapid jungle
It has a negative finesse ratio iirc
calm aurora
Negative finesse ratio? Wdym?
bronze glade
rashad finesse isn't particularly good
unreal stirrup
it is not negative
north crow
You wanna stack dmg on rashad, not crit
bronze glade
it still hits pretty hard because of how high the base damage is
livid raven
you are still going to do more damage with a crit or weakspot hit
vapid jungle
I mean weakspots and crits do less than regular hits
livid raven
uh no that doesn't make sense
calm aurora
I mean weakspots and crits do less than regular hits
No
unreal stirrup
psword have bonus finesse when powered but negative when not powered
still more damage on weakspot
calm aurora
lusty spear
Shouldn't having less than 1.0 finnese just mean you do less than 100% of the added finesse damage
vapid jungle
The swing profiles show damage growth but the finesse stat shows damage decrease on lights. Weird.
lusty spear
Instead of doing less than normal damage
unreal stirrup
Shouldn't having less than 1.0 finnese just mean you do less than 100% of the ad...
.
livid raven
it's a dumb calculation, so just think that negative finesse means less crit/weakspot damage than usual crits and weakspot hits
vapid jungle
But I thought finesse defined what "normal" was
calm aurora
It means that your crits and weakspot hits do more dmg than a normal attack but less on a light than a heavy
vapid jungle
Err rather that finesse modifys the damage of the base adm of the armor type
livid raven
normal hit damage
calm aurora
It's body dmg basically
livid raven
yeah
vapid jungle
Ok so looking at this if a weapon has a finesse value of 0.79 would this not reduce the damage in this calculation?
astral canyon
1.0 finesse just means you deal double damage right?
calm aurora
If you hit the head it's better
vapid jungle
Or is that baseline weakspot active at a flat value for all weps
livid raven
and that number is always positive
calm aurora
You never do negative dmg
astral canyon
Ok so looking at this if a weapon has a finesse value of 0.79 would this not red...
it would mean you get 1.79x damage
on crit weakspot
vapid jungle
So crits and weakspots deal double damage by default?
calm aurora
Because 1.79 is 1 + 0.79
astral canyon
getting reduced damage on a crit or weakspot hit than on regular ones would be an incredibly stupid mechanic
astral canyon
So crits and weakspots deal double damage by default?
no
calm aurora
It depends on the weapon
vapid jungle
Yah i see that
calm aurora
On a knife you should be around x2 or x3 on a weakspot crit
jovial heron
getting reduced damage on a crit or weakspot hit than on regular ones would be a...
BUT it would feel very Fatshark wouldn’t it?
livid raven
should be around 2.5 or so
astral canyon
BUT it would feel very Fatshark wouldn’t it?
no
jovial heron
Just another bug
astral canyon
if it was a known bug there would be a fuckton of people complaining about it
vapid jungle
So where do we find that the Rashad does 2.0 on weakspots crits that is then modified by finesse.
jovial heron
if it was a known bug there would be a fuckton of people complaining about it
Mmmm like captain bubble executions?
livid raven
in the code
vapid jungle
I mean in the guide
astral canyon
I mean in the guide
Combat axe section
vapid jungle
This is just showing the finesse right? Im asking in the finesse calculation where it says in yellow weakspot damage+finesse what is the value for the weakspot damage?
astral canyon
This is just showing the finesse right? Im asking in the finesse calculation wh...
Its based on the base finesse number
vapid jungle
Ok so separate from the finesse stat displayed there is a baseline adjustment per weapon that finesse further modifys?
astral canyon
If youre talking about the "+finesse" here its talking about the bonus you get from talents, blessings and such
astral canyon
Oh that
Its stuff like precision strikes talent on veteran
"+x% weakspot damage"
calm aurora
Hitting the head and doing a crit are always good. It's just better on certain weapons and certain attacks
Like the knife
calm aurora
So that means you can avoid investing too much on crit for the rashad and choose more +dmg talents
vapid jungle
Yea that's what I usually do. Hyperviolence no hyper critical.
calm aurora
It all depends on the class and the tree of course
I would take hc on the rashad
But I could not
unreal stirrup
hc can prevent bm proc but it kinda worth it
astral canyon
hc can prevent bm proc but it kinda worth it
I mean if hc procs then you werent going to get bm proc anyways
astral canyon
that literally what im saying
But hc cant prevent bm because the only situations hc procs are when bm wouldnt proc
unreal stirrup
But hc cant prevent bm because the only situations hc procs are when bm wouldnt ...
bm take priority?
vapid jungle
There's a video that goes through those two talents in great detail.
astral canyon
bm take priority?
Hc doesnt proc if the crit would kill the target anyways
Its only if the enemy would survive the crit without it
calm aurora
There's a video that goes through those two talents in great detail.
The video is good but doesn't talk about brutal momentum 🙂
vapid jungle
"Those two talents"😘
calm aurora
bm take priority?
We had that discussion a month ago old man
unreal stirrup
We had that discussion a month ago old man
dementia
calm aurora
Stimm addiction
brittle sierra
Dementia gang rise up
vapid jungle
As much as I love the discussion we could avoid all this with an in game glossary.😩
calm aurora
Dementia gang rise up
Orckanized crime right here sir!
vapid jungle
I can dream
calm aurora
We have kuli's and path's guide though
vapid jungle
They should just import paths talents/class shit and give it a green outline/font
Or kulis idc
brittle sierra
Orckanized crime right here sir!
You think sinking Yachts is a crime?
calm aurora
They pushed the guides on the launcher
That part is also relevant for the rashad which has a shitty cleave cap too on lights iirc
vapid jungle
Which doesnt make sense given its...giant cleaver appearance
unreal stirrup
decimator + headtaker caxe is funny
mighty belfry
Oh waw it me
astral canyon
Which doesnt make sense given its...giant cleaver appearance
PA does have 8 cleave tho
calm aurora
Yeah but you use it mostly for staggering...
mighty belfry
Also. Petition to allow Stimm Crate to be shot by yourself to make the Trap subnode activate faster.
warm axle
hell yeah. use the mechanic from the promethium tanks in expedition.
mighty belfry
Hell if anything, give it that functionality with that talent specifically
manic wolf
BM TacAxe, thats so BM dude
astral canyon
Also. Petition to allow Stimm Crate to be shot by yourself to make the Trap subn...
Secondary petition to make fast acting stimms part of the base ability
mighty belfry
Secondary petition to make fast acting stimms part of the base ability
Should have been like that from the getgo honestly
calm aurora
Fast acting?
mighty belfry
Yes.
calm aurora
Wdym
mighty belfry
It's the talent that actually makes Stimm Crate usable lol
calm aurora
The 5s?
mighty belfry
Yes.
calm aurora
Ahhhhh ok
mighty belfry
Legit no point in using crate without it.
astral canyon
Its even worse than running goldless shout ngl
vapid jungle
Yah dogshit if you have to stand in it
mighty belfry
Its even worse than running goldless shout ngl
Goldless shout would be fine if the CD was much lower but Duty and Honor actually increased CD
That's what I wanted them to do with Shout
But nooooooo
Just nerf the entire ability again when it's that one subnode that makes it as busted as it is
I really don't get it.
dire badge
whats better purely for carapace, specifically crushers. shivs or knife
mighty belfry
whats better purely for carapace, specifically crushers. shivs or knife
Knife tbh
Better single target.
Better uncanny strike.
vapid jungle
Sexy PA
mighty belfry
Shiv is more generalist
limber cradle
Better uncanny strike.
Tbh I was running Riposte and Precog on knife and it still kills crushers faster than Shiv
mighty belfry
Tbh I was running Riposte and Precog on knife and it still kills crushers faster...
True. But that's the more "consistent" way to do it.
limber cradle
Nah ik, I'm just saying if you don't care for the throw knife seems Better™
mighty belfry
Oh I mean like, comparing that to using Uncanny
Uncanny makes your damage more consistent against crushers up front.
That setup lets your overkill explode off smaller stuff to nuke crushers.
limber cradle
Oh I mean like, comparing that to using Uncanny
Uncanny makes your damage more ...
Yeah, is why I like it
It's exceptionally rare there isn't a poxxie to heavy headshot crit
dire badge
Oh I mean like, comparing that to using Uncanny
Uncanny makes your damage more ...
what mark for knife then?
mighty belfry
Or you can just run Channeled Aggression for the extra rending on heavies
limber cradle
Don't have the free point for it ngl
mighty belfry
what mark for knife then?
Honestly. Up to you.
Mk6 is the usual pick
More versatile to use overall
But I'm weird and like mk3 more personally
dire badge
What's the difference?
mighty belfry
Just more fun to me.
limber cradle
I prefer III also fwiw
mighty belfry
Mk3 can get really good single target without the need for push attacks
But it isn't as versatile for horde clear
limber cradle
Tbh, Scum being Scum I'm not worried about hordes with 3 either
mighty belfry
Mk6 is more generalist overall.
dire badge
alright im gonna give it a shot
mighty belfry
If I can throw a suggestion
Run finesse stimm
Finesse stimm is stupidly strong on knife
mighty belfry
I mean top right branch
dire badge
since sample collector is baseline now cd aint so short
jovial heron
Low left is attack speed not finesse
mighty belfry
I'd take off CD stimm for that
dire badge
uyeah but then i get my fury back faster
jovial heron
uyeah but then i get my fury back faster
IF you use stim when rampage is down
mighty belfry
It's disgustingly powerful
jovial heron
But then you can’t use it during your rampage
dire badge
yeah fele like im storng enough with rampage down. but ill replace atk spd for fineese and keep CD
sorry that was wrong
im strong enough with rampage
mighty belfry
Maybe you're strong enough. But you'll notice the difference immediately
jovial heron
Eh the knife just feels meh to me. Dialing in the range is hard and doesn’t necessarily feel faster to kill crushers
But I recognize people can cook with it
dire badge
Maybe you're strong enough. But you'll notice the difference immediately
yeah its like it will melt thigns but then i fele so vulnerable out of rage
but did replace atk spd for finesse
jovial heron
Strength is so fucking beneficial
dire badge
alright ill givei t a shot and see howit goes
rotund agate
I have rediscovered the benefits of using Adrenaline instead of Chem Dep with Chaxe. Just spamming the poke push attacks for elite kills makes proccing it a lot easier...
bronze glade
I rarely take dependency now these days
rotund agate
I rarely take dependency now these days
I do still use dependency on my Hsword build that uses a lot of tox (tox wouldn't let me stack adrenaline quickly), and of course on my stim box build as well.
bronze glade
I don't think right bottom side is that great rn in general tbh
mighty belfry
I do still use dependency on my Hsword build that uses a lot of tox (tox wouldn'...
What do you run on that setup for hsword?
vapid jungle
I don't think right bottom side is that great rn in general tbh
The nodes don't make as much of an impact overall as the the other two trees. Splash damage is amazing tho.
rotund agate
What do you run on that setup for hsword?
depends. I haven't fully decided on what blessings to run on the hsword itself, but my currently-chosen idea is Headtaker + either Perfect Strike, Wrath or Chained Deathblow...
I also haven't fully decided on whether to use mk6 hsword or mk7
bronze glade
The nodes don't make as much of an impact overall as the the other two trees. S...
Yeah splash damage is prob the main one that jumps out
unreal stirrup
pocket toxin and extra blitz
low harbor
I invoke <@366562874039992331>
wot
low harbor
1.0 finesse just means you deal double damage right?
on crit weakspot, assuming no crit mods or specific armor finesse mods
low harbor
combat axe smiter dmg 265.65
finesse mod 0.79, so on crit-weakspot (assuming no crit mods active) it should do 265.65x(1+0.79) to enemies it has 1 ADM to
blissful gull
chem fortified or tertium welcome for my last talent point on melee scum?
low harbor
bm take priority?
no, HC's instakill is not weakspot kill
vapid jungle
combat axe smiter dmg 265.65
finesse mod 0.79, so on crit-weakspot (assuming no ...
THANK YOUUU
low harbor
THANK YOUUU
this is the most baseline
and then crit mods and ADM can affect this
I don't list crit mods in guide for sake of simplicity even tho it does matter a lot
vapid jungle
So there's always double and then the finesse mod is calculated on top of it
low harbor
and I also don't list finesse mod per armor type for the same reason