hivescum-class

[limber cradle]

Idk how orthodox or un it is

Me rn

[unique dagger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a16d545a-250e-4835-8881-2502dd2a11e9/hamdols-hive-scum-v30-havoc-40

this is what I'm running rn

with rotten armor back on the menu carapace dmg is good on stim pistol for dmg during stack application

with %10 global dmg increase talent you do not need maniac for any bps

but maniac is still a solid choice

splash damage is kinda a meh talent so you can switch it up for 10 stacks on chem grenade but I use it as an enabler for toxin stacking

[limber cradle]

I fwiw jittery instead of samp tbh

[unique dagger]

one thing you can do is drop one of the damage talents or %20 crit on dodge and go for 4 stacks on chem dep

preference thing

I like damagemaxxing gets me to some insane bps for elites

[limber cradle]

I run float cause I can feel it when I don't have it tbh

[unique dagger]

that's why I'm running it too

crits are too powerful on shivs

gets you to some ridiculous crit bps

you can one shot headshot light attack maniac ragers with this

with crit

[compact oyster]

20% crit chance for the bare minimum is massive

[limber cradle]

Ik, feels immaculate

Shivs are bonkers tbh

It's why I don't get people asking for DS

[compact oyster]

People asked for dueling sword on arbites

Cant beat stupid

Or theyre just meta chasers

Dueling sword with splash damage🤢

[bronze glade]

Tanner and Mr E said dueling sword is good

[near mauve]

Shivs are ds4 tier anyway

[low harbor]

this actually rly cool ngl

idk about the melee kill cleave talent tho

didn't they nerf mk1 shiv light cleave from [4 or 3] down to 2

so +50% is just 3 cleave? still not enough to go through a single chaos horde unit in havoc without rampage active

[hybrid veldt]

@stray mulch where you at homie

[stray mulch]

i have risen

[stray mulch]

it's not?

dueling sword is good imo, was better when you could double poke though

was actually busted then XD

[bronze glade]

It’s a joke lol

[stray mulch]

hey, ppl got opinions, im not trying to invalidate any 😂

unless we talkin about the crowbar

[limber cradle]

Yk

I've never seen a good bonesaw user in a match before

They always look like they're running 0 cleave talents

[stray mulch]

beacuse of the Mister E build

it has 0 cleave on tree or on the weapon

[limber cradle]

Nice

[stray mulch]

the only time i see someone use it other than me it's never with cleave

[low harbor]

It’s a shame that shock & awe and battering strikes both can’t activate off DOT kills

[limber cradle]

Keep sawing away there buddy

[stray mulch]

saw is more of a back up weapon

i couldn't persuade someone to use it as a main weapon in good conscience

could be because im bad though

[low harbor]

Before hive scum released I had high hopes for bonesaw

[limber cradle]

Me big brain, me use shivs

[low harbor]

After hive scum release I realized this is just

[stray mulch]

takes more braincells to use 2 weapons 🙂

[low harbor]

Not working as it should

It needs cleave but can’t get it from dot kills

It has no good stagger

It has slow atk speed

[stray mulch]

if they bump cleave and damage on bonesaw that's all it would need imo. Mostly because you cant get kills to proc things on the tree or for the weapon easily

[low harbor]

The stagger it needs can be acquired from blackout but u can’t recover them from normal chem tox kills

The loop to chain the chemtox dot stuff together isn’t there

[wheat brook]

I don’t understand the bonesaw slander its cleave isn’t that bad is it?

I play havoc with it all the time and it’s fine

[stray mulch]

are you actually using it in H40 with no cleave talent?

or even the upper 30s

the base cleave legit is kinda ass, and i like the weapon lmao

[wheat brook]

My highest is 30
And I sit around there going up or down

But I do use cleave talents to aid it

But with those talents and shock and awe it is perfectly fine

But I never see any scum use it

And constantly see it slandered

[stray mulch]

i use it and tbf, it's kinda deserved imo

[wheat brook]

I dunno maybe my bias towards it comes from disliking shivs

[stray mulch]

.>

[wheat brook]

Easy to use = next to zero fun for me

So I just don’t use stuff like the dueling sword or shivs

[stray mulch]

the bonesaw isn't hard to use either ngl champ. It's just shove loops

[unique dagger]

more about rampage on with hyper critical

[wheat brook]

I mean more along the lines of light spam and heavy spam being the only thing to it

[unique dagger]

I have rampage on at least %50 of my gameplay

[wheat brook]

I don’t like weapons like that

Anything that ain’t like that is fair game for me

[stray mulch]

Bonesaw is literally just shove loops and the occasional heavy, to be fair. At least the shivs have a ranged attack

[wheat brook]

Shivs are mindless so I don’t like them

[stray mulch]

yeah, but i cant sit here and have someone act like you gotta use many braincells to use the saw either

[wheat brook]

I never acted like that, I just said I like weapons that are harder to use than the shivs

[stray mulch]

okay questions

what about it is harder?

[wheat brook]

Any weapon loop at all is harder than light/heavy spam

Harder doesn’t mean it’s a hard weapon to use

Just harder than something mindless

[stray mulch]

didn't say that, just asking what's harder about it

horde clearing?

[hybrid veldt]

@stray mulch yo about to start a warhammer total war 3 play through you down?

I have 2 more

And myself

[stray mulch]

lemme update mine

[wheat brook]

I don’t really know, I have only ever used the bone saw on scum til like yesterday

[hybrid veldt]

Well 1 is a new player (random) and the other is off-line 🙁

[wheat brook]

I bought the character for that weapon

[stray mulch]

if you said horde clear I would legit acquiesce to that ngl. But that's mostly because the base stats of the weapon and how you'd want to benefit from some of the talents on tree are a bit scuffed due to toxins getting some of your kills. And in my case most of my kills

[hybrid veldt]

@stray mulch vlad having a party

[stray mulch]

wtf

[hybrid veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-11368945723132907566

Ikr

Mf has stacked all of his armies

[stray mulch]

are those armies or heroes

[hybrid veldt]

Ai is super weird bro

[hybrid veldt]

Armies

20 stacks mostly

[stray mulch]

XD

[hybrid veldt]

Look here

Tf is the ai doing bro

https://tenor.com/view/worried-monkey-worried-monkey-gif-5992280527583416561

[stray mulch]

last time i touched this game was in December. It's gunna be rough buddy XD

[hybrid veldt]

Dw bro you got me

If we coop

[stray mulch]

tis a doom stack

[wheat brook]

pickpocket nerf has me praying for a dog so I can get some ammo back when I run out cause of toxin

[stray mulch]

they are adapting!

[hybrid veldt]

Oh yeah the ai are super aggressive

[stray mulch]

i actually never have issues getting kills for pick pocket

[hybrid veldt]

To warn you

[stray mulch]

just turn on purple mode and grab 1 elite

[stray mulch]

check steam messages

[wheat brook]

I haven’t played much scum since the talent tree changed I really don’t like what they did with the middle

Overall it’s better than it was

But the middle is still pretty yucky

[stray mulch]

i'm just having a blast focusing on the bottom right of the tree and middle top and top left of the tree because needle gun is fun

[low harbor]

so why not take the rampage +50% cleave & +25% str subnode then

[wheat brook]

I think I’m going to alter my build some to change my bottom left talents

However slippery customer will have to be sacrificed

[stray mulch]

you dont need it

do it

[wheat brook]

I hardly use it unless there’s a battery to carry

But it’s nice in that very specific situation

Overall it would make my build much stronger

[stray mulch]

2 words: Opporunity Cost

[wheat brook]

that’s a good two words to pick cause I’ve been on the fence

[stray mulch]

I don't think there is a single talent on the HS tree that i think is actually bad. Just some that i think are crutches

especially crutches that i don't want ot give up

[wheat brook]

Jittery my beloved

[stray mulch]

Stree Tough

Alley Cat

[wheat brook]

My bottom right tree is Wack now that I’m looking at it

In my stubbornness to keep a talent I rarely use I’ve made my build weaker for no reason

Which single stim point by itself would be ideal when I need to spam blessed stims on havoc?

[stray mulch]

I think most go for the toughness

[unique dagger]

I do take both

I haven't really calculated my total amount tho

maybe %50 extra is unnecessary as you say

I've been liking it tho

[low harbor]

the pic u posted didn't take the cleave/str subnode for rampage so I was wondering

[unique dagger]

huh

I didnt post a pic

I had a buildeditor link

I think that was @limber cradle

[low harbor]

this didn't have cleave/strength subnode

[tough breach]

is there a way

to use stims as hive scum

because I ended up quick playing into that one modifier where its all tox and the map is flooded with health stims

and im just kinda fucked here

[limber cradle]

nah cause i take it

[upbeat pendant]

I think it’s only if you take no nodes from the stim tree? It’s one of the few downsides of using hs is you can’t use normal stims, you’ll need someone else to pick it up and use it on you

[wheat brook]

I wish stims made a little sound when they come back

It’d be handy

[bronze glade]

pretty sure there's mods for that

unless you're on console

then tough luck

[upbeat pendant]

Iirc those mods only show a timer with notification and don’t have an audio cue

[wheat brook]

I’m on console for now but once my PC is repaired I’m looking forward to mods

I heard the game has some trouble on AMD GPUs, is it real bad?

Rip my progress though I’ll have to start over completely

Does anyone know if I would keep my progress if I purchased the game on the Microsoft store or used PC gamepass?

[upbeat pendant]

Nah I don’t think there’s any cross progression/save at all, imo stick to console if you’ve spent money on cosmetics and got all the dlc then wait for them to add cross progression/save so you don’t waste money

[wheat brook]

It’s unfortunate but my computer was notorious for not playing nice with controllers anyways so I’ll just have to accommodate my console Into my setup

Itll probably get mounted to the wall tbh cause my PC case takes up half my desk

[upbeat pendant]

You place it on your desk? Not under?

[wheat brook]

Animals plus carpet would make me have to dust it every like week

[upbeat pendant]

Ah fair that makes sense

[bronze crown]

My cousin has an AMD GPU and the latest (March 19th) Adrenaline Driver crashes DT.

[kind crystal]

It's pretty bad enough for specific AMD guides. I use NVIDA and have a decent rig but still gotta use this guide to eliminate stuttering in missions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1moslpc/amd_gpu_stutter_fix_clarity_improvement_may_also/

[unique dagger]

turns out I misclicked in the build editor page, my bad lol. I don't take forge's bellow
I went to sleep after posting should've checked

[main trellis]

You akways rampaging anyways so

[main trellis]

Classic pepega

[main trellis]

I would take forges; saves lifes & boss stagger on demand is valuable

[spice cloud]

Melee scum is just too strong i cant play it in auric

[verbal dew]

you want the h40 density, I've not run scum outside of there in a hot minute if I'm doing rampage

[torpid cloud]

Auric density is neat

[main trellis]

Have you played havoc?

[west bluff]

how do the hive scum deluxe cosmetics look ingame i might buy it actually

also man desperado is fun as hell

[unique spire]

It's ugly

[spice cloud]

Imo the free cosmetics u onlock are better

[unique spire]

It's good for making mixes

[spice cloud]

I dont like em personally

Possibly that hood thing but its not worth it for me to buy the entire thing for that

[west bluff]

the dlc classes get barely any cosmetics

i wanted the deluxe cosmetics for scum cuz its seemingly the only ones that make him actually wear a shirt

[spice cloud]

Scum has lots of unlockable stuff tbf

Arby is a bit lame

But thats Gamesworkshops fault

[west bluff]

james workshop is acting like fatshark hasnt been working with them for like 11 years

[spice cloud]

Thats why darktide will prolly be the last collab

I think it might be for the better

Gamesworkshops succs

Horrible people

[west bluff]

all of arbi's cosmetics are just how many blessing seals do you want on your armor

[wheat brook]

I used the scum deluxe mask for awhile and even tho green is my favorite color I don’t vibe with the overall look of the outfit

The weapon skins are sick though

[west bluff]

did they make any games other than 40k stuff?

[spice cloud]

Vermintide 1 and 2

Darktide in warhammer fantasy

Basically

[west bluff]

nah i know about vt

i meant warhammer in general

mb

ive played vt2

[spice cloud]

Wdym?

[unique spire]

40k

He wants more 40k games

[spice cloud]

Ahhh

Rogue trader

Void war

Uuuuuh

Battlesector

Total war warhammet

Thats not 40k tho

But ther will be warhammer 40k total war

[west bluff]

we need more stuff like sm2 and darktide

strategy games make my brain hurt

[spice cloud]

There is space hulk deathwing but its very clunky

[spice cloud]

Have u played deep rock galactic yet?

[wheat brook]

I think Darktide being an anomaly among 40k games is what makes it so good

[spice cloud]

It really is

[wheat brook]

If it was the standard it’d get boring real fast

[west bluff]

i have a humble 400 hours in drg

[spice cloud]

Idk u prolly have helldivers aswell then

[west bluff]

season 6 was mid vro im not gonna lie im bored of drg

[spice cloud]

Thats the obly similar games i can think of rn

[spice cloud]

Same

I have a lot of hours tho i def got my moneys worth

[west bluff]

i bought the game for like 5 bucks

[wheat brook]

I could never get into deep rock

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[west bluff]

5 bucks for 400 hours of content is insane value

[lavish bronze]

I missed season 5

[west bluff]

dw i bought plenty of dlc to support the devs and allat

[spice cloud]

U can still play it

[lavish bronze]

Started again doing season 6

Having a blast

[lavish bronze]

I know

Dont worry

[wheat brook]

I’ve tried on several occasions but once reaching the actual digging part of missions I got bored and frustrated

I’m too simple minded, I need liner paths or a waypoint

[spice cloud]

I loved being digger

[west bluff]

i used to play drg with a friend but errr we're no longer friends

[spice cloud]

That was imo one of the coolest parts about drg

The whole cave is diggable and destructivle

[west bluff]

digging bunkers is a death sentence 90% of the time

[wheat brook]

It’s an incredibly interesting concept, just not one I enjoy playing

I could probably watch someone play and enjoy it more

It overlaps a lot

[spice cloud]

Bunkers are good on haz 5 mactera swarms

[wheat brook]

With the gaming communities I’m apart of

Like everyone seems to love it but me and I feel like a caveman

[spice cloud]

I mean u just dont like it

It is what it is lol

[west bluff]

i feel you

i think helldivers is slop but everyone else seems to think its the best thing since sliced bread

that plus the whole DEMOCRACY!!! larp

hate it so much bro

[flat mist]

The damage u get with this is fkn absurd

(Shivs, needler, ran on h40)

[wheat brook]

I haven’t played it, even after it made its way to console the whole account thing with PlayStation and in general how elitist my interactions with the community has been I have just been avoiding it

[spice cloud]

It can be great fun

The community is ass tho

U can even earn the ingame currency

Wich is a rare thing these days

[west bluff]

i wish i spent my 40 dollars elsewhere bro the game really isnt anything to write home about

that and the community

[west bluff]

i love the rocket launcher

its like a krak on crack

[wheat brook]

The main thing I wish would change in gaming is shops, even Darktide does it

There should not be artificial scarcity, cosmetics aren’t finite

[spice cloud]

Truly based

No just fuck that shit in general

[wheat brook]

I should be able to buy whatever I want whenever from digital storefronts

[spice cloud]

I hate the modern day monetization of games

Its destroying gaming

Dont make gaming mainstream!

[west bluff]

halo infinite did that after like 2 years

[lavish bronze]

Some roleplay and larping is fun and dandy

But bringing it to 3837373yw62747lvl and it start being annoying as fuck

Like

[west bluff]

i cant stand the helldivers larp specifically idk why

[lavish bronze]

In drg

I get pingping stuff until old fsrt get angry

Vut pinging gold chunk for 5 minutes is annoying as fuck

Like

I that case i just pick it up and put in the cart

[west bluff]

i feel you

[spice cloud]

How dare u

[west bluff]

some people just get into the larp way too much

gets in the way of gameplay

[spice cloud]

Im ngl the drg larp allways gets me

I love it

[west bluff]

same

[wheat brook]

I’ve only been around for three shop rotations with Darktide, it will be 4 this week. I think the legendary skins completely miss, not because they’re ugly but because part of the appeal for Darktide is making your OWN character. There shouldn’t be a skin for Commissar Balllicker, it should just be a commissar outfit with color variations

It’s so strange to me how obsessed the game is with trying to turn you into someone else

[compact oyster]

the shop cosmetics arent characters

[west bluff]

i spent my imperial edition aquilas on the cadian armor for vet

[compact oyster]

its only the outfit the character wears

[west bluff]

too bad you cant get aquilas by playing

[compact oyster]

stuff like cadian and chem dogs is just taken from dead soldiers and resold by the lady

[west bluff]

they gotta make money somehow

[zenith fern]

Feed them more of your money

[wheat brook]

If they ever add them to be earned itll be like something crazy

[zenith fern]

[wheat brook]

50 for a havoc 40 completion per week or something absurd

[west bluff]

nah im never buying aquilas lmao im not paying 30 bucks for an outfit

the game itself cost me only like 16 bucks not counting the dlc classes

[zenith fern]

That's what every Darktide player said at first (i am the every Darktide player)

[wheat brook]

I’m one of those whales, I’ll buy something just because buying it gives me some level of joy

Darktide though I haven’t gotten much beyond the dlc characters

There’s just a lot of free stuff I like in general

[west bluff]

so far i havent really seen anything that caught my eye aside from the cadian outfit

buut ive only been playing for like 10 days

[zenith fern]

The last Cadian set, people only wanted the veteran one because it has been on files since launch

And is the most cadia lore accurate

[wheat brook]

It sucks being a scum main and my best cosmetic options being nothing and camo pants

[zenith fern]

Go naked

[west bluff]

give him a damn shirt

[zenith fern]

Just bare ass fighting rotters

[west bluff]

thats why i was asking about the deluxe cosmetics for scum

dude is just straight up fighting naked

who needs armor when youve got stimms

[wheat brook]

Is there a lore reason my skum lady is running around in almost nothing? Do they look like that in 40k outside of DT

[main trellis]

Ah; so ez free

[west bluff]

it gets really hot in necromunda

[wheat brook]

Most of the community is like stuck at heresy right?

That would be unobtainable for most people

[main trellis]

Correction; most ppl are dogshit & unwilling to admit they suck & are unwilling to improve

[west bluff]

no way bro

i play on damnation

too scared to try auric yet

[wheat brook]

Auric is the same it just has increased spawns

[west bluff]

i heard

[main trellis]

Go for it; whats it gonna do? Shrink your testicles or smth? Do it

If you never try you’ll never know

[zenith fern]

That's why also Scum exists now because is a power creep class

And people play it

[west bluff]

i hope scum doesnt get nerfed its too fun

[wheat brook]

I’m in my experimental phase of Darktide, taking a break from the havoc grind to explore new builds with my cubes I earned from havoc

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/i-show-speed-bed-ishowspeed-looks-at-camera-gif-27654432

[wheat brook]

I’ve been just doing penaces or playing maelstrom

[zenith fern]

Gonna have to break at you

Scum was always strong

They made Scum stronger few months ago and now made him too strong

[upbeat pendant]

doubt they'll nerf dlc classes, just gonna get more buffs

[west bluff]

makes sense

they need that bag

[zenith fern]

Arbites One month later after launch:

https://tenor.com/view/rinauchis-cocobearkins-gif-26346664

[upbeat pendant]

i wasnt playing at that time, what happened?

[main trellis]

That was due to bugs & glitches that were abused

[zenith fern]

Some small nerfs

[muted pivot]

I just want them to keep Scum feeling as hypermobile and aggro

[wheat brook]

I will only accept scum nerfs if they nerf Pysker too

[muted pivot]

I feel like we might need a survivability nerf

[zenith fern]

Nah they also nerfed few of the damage buff talents

[wheat brook]

I mean like heavy nerfs not tiny ones

[muted pivot]

The cannon part is fine, we need to be glassier

[upbeat pendant]

-50% hp

[zenith fern]

Not sure if was on summer or bound by duty though

[main trellis]

I would say attuned in this case cause the power lv overall is still the same

[wheat brook]

The extra dodge and 25 toughness was overkill

[zenith fern]

We know that Scum became overkill once they massively buffed RPG

[wheat brook]

“Oh no I seem to have made an error and cornered myself with 20 crushers”

[zenith fern]

Oi oi another charge please for a big aeo armour cracker

[wheat brook]

It’s a get out of jail free and a free screen clear

The class essentially has no weaknesses

We aren’t even glass at this point

Just cannon

[upbeat pendant]

3 get out of jail free cards per grenade refill, so balanced

[zenith fern]

At launch*

[west bluff]

plasteel cannon

[wheat brook]

I tried desperado yesterday and the rocket launcher just negates its main weakness

Which is low carapace damage

I felt like a Psyker ngl

Just if Pysker was almost impossible to kill

I think making us a glass cannon would solve everything

When I get hit on scum I should be punished heavily

[flat mist]

Its not an extra 25 toughness

Its a choice between the two stim nodes

[torpid cloud]

Nah shit seems scary

[wheat brook]

Would you guys kiss your hive scum?

Are they chill

Would they kill you immediately

[zenith fern]

Yoi should not feel be scared of fighting over 6 bosses at same time

Have a twins, captain and 3 monsters

[main trellis]

Figures; you haven’t experienced density then

[wheat brook]

I’m usually pretty lucky with bosses

I only gotta fight the twins, a captain and two nurgle beasts

And by time the slugs make it to the battle the captains are dead

Nurgle beasts are so silly in expeditions

Plague ogryn in the hardest boss I think, he can catchup with you so quickly it’s hard to clutch

[zenith fern]

He is literally the easiest boss in the entire game, you only have to watch out for his charge and slam sttacks

[unique spire]

All bosses are easy

Just don't have skill issue and be scared of them

[wheat brook]

I’m still a new player only played about a month, and bosses have been dying so quickly I genuinely don’t really know the counterplay

I don’t know how to dodge most of their attacks, except the chaos spawn who is very similar to V2

[unique dagger]

I can't agree with this unfortunately
With hive scum's mobility you should never get cornered ever
a 2.5 m radius shout with a long cooldown isn't doing a lot for me

bosses are a nothingburger in this game and I can take on 5-6 at a time without a stagger tool

[wheat brook]

Probably why I’m stuck in low 30s

[compact oyster]

ive seen 0 use from forges bellow or masters retribution aoe on hive scum with alley rat

[spice cloud]

I dont run bellow either but its certainly good

[main trellis]

It ain’t 2,5m
And here is your mistake; ‚isn’t doing a lot for me’ - you play in a team; it does it for the team
Single Player mentality type shit

[spice cloud]

Its like shout from vet

[unique dagger]

The only player that matters is me

If I'm on scum I'm winning regardless of anyone else being alive or not

[compact oyster]

Did you do the survey yet?

[unique dagger]

ok yeah it was 4.5 lmao

I was undercutting it

it is still quite small

[unique dagger]

survey?

[compact oyster]

Theres a survey in the character select screen

[main trellis]

Wait there is? Whats it about?

[compact oyster]

Just questions like whats your favourite part of the game what do you want whats importsnt etc etc

Also a grade on how much you like scum

[unique dagger]

I think I did

[spice cloud]

Oh no…….

The community is gonna fuck us i know it

[grand jewel]

🫃

[unique dagger]

no joke I think I have %70-75 win rate on scum absolutely hilariously overpowered class

[main trellis]

Might partake then

[unique dagger]

might be higher

[main trellis]

Hey; atleast smth fucks us ye

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[compact oyster]

I did a 6 for scum

Wish he had a chainglaive

[unique dagger]

gonna hop in a game

@compact oyster come play

[compact oyster]

i dont have you on steam

just occured to me

904069563

steam friend code

[unique dagger]

were you na

I forgoy

forgot

[compact oyster]

europe

[wheat brook]

The games combat is incredibly addictive a massive step forward from V2, more weapon and build variety since the skill trees are so much more in depth. With the exception of poxbursters (which can be random at times) I feel like the game is fair even in havoc, when I die it’s my fault.

To me it’s a flawed masterpiece, it has a ton of smaller issues that hold it back from being the perfect game

[compact oyster]

I was talking about the ingame survey

[main trellis]

Mainly unstable servers

[wheat brook]

The hardest part of game for me is being deaf in one ear so I don’t have directional audio

A lot of the time if I don’t see something I’m guessing where it’s coming from or if I know the map well enough I know where it is spawning

[vapid jungle]

That sounds challenging

[tranquil fjord]

are on you on pc?

[spice cloud]

If u are literally deaf u can use spidey sense

Itll help

[tranquil fjord]

you could get spidey sense as an accessibility feature

[wheat brook]

My arch nemesis are mutants which I have great difficulty hearing but that’s only when there’s a bunch of dudes

I’m on console unfortunately

Whenever I get my PC back I’ll be able to use accessibility mods

[tranquil fjord]

tbh these should be basic features in the game without the need of mods

[main trellis]

Tbh directional audio in this game does not really exist that well

So don’t worry; memorize more places where specials can come from

[main trellis]

My condolences

[unique dagger]

@compact oyster fun games

unfortunate

[compact oyster]

it was miserable

[unique dagger]

lmao

I feel ya

this is why I'm saying scum is op as shit

I kinda sucked today too

[compact oyster]

if you use shivs yes

[spice cloud]

Alternatives for uniques are bonesaw or crowbar

They shouldve made more dual weapons

[unique dagger]

scum with even dclaw is op as shit

scum is op as shit

you can even make heavy sword powerful with this class

[spice cloud]

Fr

[compact oyster]

i hate rotten armor so much

rotten armor and blight spreads is just the pure concoction of anti fun

[unique dagger]

rotten is all about pacing

as everything in havoc is

you gotta wait for triggers and not pull off more than your team comp can chew

it is hard with randos for sure

boss trigger plus special surge plus rotten wave can happen otherwise

[compact oyster]

play map

[unique dagger]

my main observation with randos is they generally don't focus on special surges

[compact oyster]

spend 15 minutes clearing out the wave

walk 1 room forward

[unique dagger]

one flamethrower is more dangerous than 10 crushers

[compact oyster]

instant 15 minute wave

[unique dagger]

if you know the special spawns surviving solo is actually sometimes better than anyone else being alive lols

because you have the power of kiting

[vapid jungle]

And you dont have to worry about people missing burster pushes

Been really annoying lately

[dire badge]

im dodging so much sometimes the pox burster will jump as im dodging and i cant push it out the way 😭

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-invincible-conquest-invincible-i-am-victim-of-my-own-success-gif-8922187105091212590

[vapid jungle]

Do the push dodge homie

[dire badge]

I have alley rate talent , soemtimes im to ofar to push

[vapid jungle]

Hivescum problems lmao

[muted pivot]

Push dodge slide if you want to be really sure

Or think you're pushing but forget to block first and just stab them in the fucking fave

Face

[ruby frigate]

how do you deal with ragers on hivescum without using a limited ability?

i was using the crowbar (whcih was my highest rated weapon, but i also think i hate it), and always got hit by a rager at least once while fighting it

also, is there a way to slide more easily in combat? sometimes when i press sprint and crouch i just... crouch, i guess i just have to be running for a few seconds first?

[low harbor]

Crowbar’s heavy attacks can stagger ragers on weakspot I believe

But obviously weapons with easier & faster stagger are better vs ragers

[ruby frigate]

ah ty

its coming from me who is used to (ab)using power sword on vet, so i just mow them all down

so not used to having to really think about fighting them

[low harbor]

The closest thing to power sword for hive scum is combat axe

[livid raven]

it's maybe the worst weapon on hivescum

[ruby frigate]

lo ok

[low harbor]

Crowbar is ok

[ruby frigate]

i also just got completely rinsed and i wasnt sure what i could do

there were like four gunners in different spots and i just got turned to swiss cheese

maybe its not my job or something? or maybe i just need an actual ranged gun instead of a shotgun

[livid raven]

yeah try the sneedler

[ruby frigate]

i tried just run sliding towards one of them but there were a couple ragers in the mix who bodyblocked me

[low harbor]

Ideally you don’t fight 4 split gunners at once on any class ever

[ruby frigate]

huh yeah maybe

on vet its not a problem for me

[livid raven]

the humble yet courageous desperado:

[ruby frigate]

but yeah hive scum seems to be quite sharp compared to vet

[low harbor]

Vet is like 2-3x hive scum’s toughness replenishment so yea u can play vs ranged more aggressively

On hive scum, desperado is easiest vs ranged

But if u play melee builds ideally u don’t want to be getting shot from 4 different directions at once

[muted pivot]

Crowbar is just not good right now

With shivs, tac axe, bonesaw, heavy sword, combat axe, ragers are dust

Scum gets great toughness from the talents they have

[livid raven]

Bonesaw

Bro thinks he is part of the team

[upbeat pendant]

yeah crowbar just have nothing going for it now, the horde clear for it just isnt good enough and the damage mode is just okay, tried it in h40 after using taxe for so long and the biggest problem was just the horde clear was too slow

[livid raven]

the heavies are way too slow and low cleave for what they are

[muted pivot]

Bonesaw is bad but it ain't a crowbar

[livid raven]

at least bonesaw is unique i'll give you that

[upbeat pendant]

would be cool if you could collect skulls with the crowbar special and give you a stacking buff

[livid raven]

it's funny because the unique thing about the crowbar is actually its worst trait

[astral canyon]

would be cool if latch attacks scaled with attack speed correctly

[livid raven]

that is, having to press special and play an animation to switch targets

[muted pivot]

It can fight ragers and pretty much anything just fine

It just lacks the speed to be safe going aggro

[bronze crown]

Imo the most frustrating things about Darktide right now are the lack of story in Expeditions, that the meta Havoc HS builds are subjectively not he most fun for me to play and the lack of Expedition and Havoc cosmetics for HS. I have no real motivation to play anymore as of right now.

[muted pivot]

And the new chem talents kinda shit in the bonesaw's yard

[livid raven]

Expeditions will probably be dropped as fast as mortis trial so

[muted pivot]

Gimmick infringement

[upbeat pendant]

they have to eventually update it to give more maps for the penance

[vapid jungle]

Its a neat idea its just not that fun or different

I think i like mortis more. Exploration doesnt feel good throw me waves of shit to kill.

[muted pivot]

Mortis is great tbh

I always see people playing it

And it's silly fun

[idle sedge]

Yeah, until wave 9 or 10 something they spawn 10 trappers. 💀

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-trap-gif-8892701420733568686

[muted pivot]

Love it lol

[livid raven]

it's a good basis

not nearly expansive enough to be a real mode

[low harbor]

Mortis is just boring

[bronze glade]

I hope they unfuck expeditions resource gain

[dusk dock]

at which point theyll hopefully nerf the silly grindy penances

[low harbor]

I finished 250k TR but am only 26% done towards the 100k scrap trade lol

[near relic]

That sounds miserable on both counts.

Expeditions seem to be dead already anyway.

[low harbor]

It needs an endgame badly

But it’s more salvageable than the other 2 modes they’ve put out

Pun not intended

[near relic]

It's an interesting concept, I just wish it was more varied or had more meaningful progression

[jovial heron]

Havoc and mortis?

[low harbor]

Yea those 2 are fucked beyond repair honestly

[near relic]

I play almost exclusively Havoc

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-mm-hmm-yes-head-nod-shake-yes-gif-11878049670980267108

[near relic]

I just wish they'd kill the blight modifier

[jovial heron]

How do you feel about stacked gunners?

[low harbor]

Havoc is 1 good thing buried under 12+ layers of unfiltered raw dogshit pro max plus ultra

[near relic]

I feel sad about them.

[dusk dock]

id be okay with it if rotten armour got removed

[low harbor]

And Mortis is flat out boring snooze slop

[dusk dock]

but thats beside the point

[low harbor]

With cheesy bullshit

[jovial heron]

They love you though…….why would you not receive their bullets—I mean love

[low harbor]

They’ve added a grand total of 1 good mutator for havoc since launch

It’s just an unsalvageable mess of a mode

And there are not enough players to justify pouring resources into fixing it

[upbeat pendant]

same, i rather have rotten armor than blight in my games, then again my past 4 havoc rerolls were all blight+rotten

[bronze crown]

I want scavenged Corpsegrinder Cult cosmetics. 😭

https://tenor.com/view/average-cannibal-corpse-listener-gif-11979061220280569985

[wheat brook]

Desperado scum helped me earn the Atoma’s Elite guard penace

The bad guys can’t kill my teammates if they’re dead

[vapid jungle]

I think both could turn into something good. The problem is they keep adding classes/modes but all that does is stretch them thinner and thinner. So those modes collect dust without the support they need and we'll see how they handle new weapons/cosmetics for new classes(poorly is my guess). Development hell continues.

Oh and the game is sorely lacking in QOL. Not even discussing how new updates frequently ship fundamentally broken.

[stray mulch]

applies brittle to the monster

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[mighty belfry]

They just need to stop adding content at this point until optimization is acted upon.

But I unfortunately doubt that's gonna happen.

If the current direction of things is indicative of the future.

I can't even truly be excited for the new class cuz I'm more worried about how the state of the game's gonna be when it comes out

[cedar cairn]

Does Channel Devastation stack with Hyper-Critical

[vapid jungle]

Uhh they don't stack but hyper critical benefits from dealing more melee damage

[wheat brook]

Which keystone modifiers are ideal for adrenaline frenzy?

[zenith fern]

Theres only three, adrenaline smiter, unbound and stoked rage

[wheat brook]

I hope it’s fun for penaces

I’ve played some amount of melee scum but not with frenzy

[vapid jungle]

Its definitely fun. Blender mode.

[tranquil fjord]

headtaker and slaughterer is such a good combo on the chainaxe

[lilac schooner]

that was the classic build on every weapon until they nerfed slaughterer back in the day

[flat mist]

Does slaughterer still proc from dots

Last time i checked on force swords it did

[near relic]

Melee kills grant stacks (up to 5); can generate multiple stacks per swing; stacks last 4.5s and can be refreshed during active duration. Per stack, increases the power level (see values below) of melee attacks and DoTs while the weapon is wielded. Stacks additively with other power level buffs, and multiplicatively with damage buffs.

[flat mist]

Id say its like 50/50 i remember i could just check kuli's guides haha

[muted pivot]

I tried the chain axe 12 on scum and kinda hated it

Always liked my 4 on the zealot

Might try that instead

[wheat brook]

My teammates have been doing a little TOO good, I ended having to ask them to let me kill elites melee range to get ammo

Beforehand they all died in seconds to a grenade or arby shotgun

[lilac schooner]

play havoc ranged builds are nerfed there except psyker of course

oh wait I assume you're on desperado build jk its even worse there

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah, I HAVE to use frame gen just for a stable performance, and it's been this way since release

[brittle sierra]

Me on AMD

[bronze crown]

I know that they made melee even more OP but I just had more fun with the Vraks V Desperado build. 😖

[muted pivot]

Payday 2 feeling

[bronze glade]

Fun for you, not so much the rest of the team

[wheat brook]

Why wouldn’t it be fun for the rest of the team? Because desperado kills everything or because of a negative stereotype related to stealing ammo?

[woeful hill]

depends on what the players goal is

I play this game for the combat, not the victory

if someone is making it too easy (killing everything) or using something that doesn't make it fun (smite/taunt). Then I wouldnt want to play anymore

so it just depends on who you ask

and their goal is

[glacial jay]

But Ainz is very good at getting victories

I think I owe most of my ultra hard penances to them XD

[neat delta]

"Hard Mode Twins Defeated: 573"

Yeah.

[bronze glade]

Both

Turns out it’s extremely oppressive for one guy to be able to press W and LMB to mow down the entire map on a build that ChatGPT could play

[wheat brook]

Plenty of stuff is oppressive in Darktide, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a desperado Scum out in the wild

[bronze glade]

Yeah that’s an issue with the game design

There’s like one bullshit build for every class besides maybe zealot and vet

I’ve seen plenty of desperado shitters

[wheat brook]

Zealot I can agree with being the most honest character

[bronze glade]

Psyker prob has multiple bullshit builds

[wheat brook]

Pysker moment

I’m not sure what Fatshark’s design philosophy is with Darktide but it’s a lot of fun

[mighty belfry]

Ngl, plasma vet can be Hella annoying to play with too.

Oh you wanted to stab that gunner? Too bad.

[wheat brook]

I don’t have much experience with Plasma gunner vets

Most go down once and leave

Maybe played like four games to completion with one

[mighty belfry]

You either get a bottom of the barrel plasma vet

Or one that straight up will delete most elites before you can bother getting to them.

[wheat brook]

And that’s bad for fun, but Good for winning

Winning isn’t inherently fun, it’s why low difficulties aren’t rewarding to play

So I understand why overtuned builds are disliked

[bronze glade]

I haven’t seen a single competent plasma player in hundreds of hours so maybe that’s why I don’t mind it lol

[neat delta]

plasma vets got no sense of ammo preservation

[reef spoke]

yeah that's my main issue with them

they'll charge shot into a horde of poxwalkers

even saw one explode from doing that

[lilac schooner]

if you played havoc you probably would, also plasma is just like a revolver its not a main weapon

[limber cradle]

Plasma vet mag dumping crusher

(they also have psword equipped)

[lilac schooner]

competent plasma vets probably have around 50-70% of their damage in melee its basically just melee vet with a plasma gun

[bronze glade]

Thanks, another reason to not play havoc

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[lilac schooner]

the reason i play is because auric is too easy

[bronze glade]

Yeah I feel that

[lilac schooner]

before havoc it was malestroms only

[bronze glade]

I only run meme builds

To make up for it

[reef spoke]

play normal damnation for the true solo experience UwU

so many alt+F4 players down there

[bronze glade]

Pubs are just Darktides PvP mode

[reef spoke]

someone hot-miccing their game is the Darktide equal of a taunt

[vapid jungle]

https://youtu.be/1Vp1tBYPp-g?si=GVHZfiMSYIVgoOSq

Very good video

[bronze glade]

What’s the tldw

[low harbor]

using both together is cool if u understand what ur getting

[mighty belfry]

Only time I'd truly recommend not using both is when you're using blackouts tbh

[bronze glade]

Oh that’s a pretty reasonable take

[low harbor]

guess I'm proven right again

how could this have happened

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-donald-trump-donald-trump-fake-news-fake-news-gif-3434055107152946442

[ionic solstice]

opinion: slippery customer bad on its own, should give you a damage buff while sliding

[stray mulch]

slippery customer could be removed and it wouldnt change much

i think we should get another flat damage node

[spice cloud]

I like to pick it

Lets u dodgeslide anything its funny

Lets u get away with silly stuff

[lilac schooner]

I think crusher will still smush you

It's really only for melee chaff

[ionic solstice]

possibly funny idea: huge rending buff for one melee attack while sliding

like huge huge

encouraging you to slide into heavy attacks into crushers faces

[spice cloud]

Sometimes yeah

It depends on angle

[flat mist]

Slippery is very effective for avoiding overheads

[calm aurora]

so it's like a threesome

[low harbor]

u said the words not me

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/how-people-with-blue-eyes-look-at-you-blue-eyes-people-blink-scary-gif-3937667069785399993

[lilac schooner]

overheads will hit you even in dodge state

[flat mist]

yeah because it stops enemies from tracking you that begin their attack during your slide

[lilac schooner]

no it literally just gives you dodge state while sliding

[flat mist]

lmao no it doesnt

[lilac schooner]

read the description again

[flat mist]

since when have we ever based our information off fatshark's descriptions

[zenith fern]

I don't think that was ever accurate since launch

[lost ravine]

slippery has never struck me as necessary

[delicate basalt]

this class sucks ass
this is in no form a ragebait due to it being 1st of april

[stray mulch]

brother, never take what fatshark puts in their own game as the actual description

they word and misspell the living hell out of things

and also dont directly explain what they actyally do

Been over a year now and quelling still has 3 L's here. Pretty sure they don't even log into their own game to read or review anything

[hexed nacelle]

enhanced descriptions my beloved

[dusk dock]

Hypercritical description, man

[stray mulch]

Hypercritical is actually worded fine. I know some people don't like it but it technically explains how it works in total

[lilac schooner]

i mean its pretty simple wording and we already know the game has a dodge state, what else would it be

[stray mulch]

anything else like something not working directly as the game itself says

.>

enhanced descritpions exist for a reason

and so does the very resource you JUST posted

How many times have people had to reference that exact guide due to what being in game being inaccurate or needing elaboration?

[lilac schooner]

I think most talents are pretty self-explanatory

and no where does it say Slipper Customer breaks tracking

[stray mulch]

but dodging does

.>

[lilac schooner]

@stray mulch ok tell me did it break the tracking with Slippery Customer?

[stray mulch]

try dodging normally

[lilac schooner]

whats the point of that we're talking about slippery customer

[stray mulch]

this was something we knew in advance from since the early stages of the game

dodging breaks enemy lock on

if you are sliding and that is counting as dodging why it no work?

🙂

also if you did it you would also notice when you dodge the crusher should stop tracking you

[calm aurora]

HV alone is always good. Taking HC alone is always good in a high crit build. Both you gain some, you lose some. You ''trade some HV dmg for consistency and ease of use''. 50% crit is apparently the sweet spot if you don't want lose too much.

[stray mulch]

actually now that im watching your clip you didnt even try to avoid the over head

[calm aurora]

use slippery, get fucked on other classes

same with empathetic evasion

[lost ravine]

it does feel different when you can't simply declare "you need to be at least THIS close to hurt me"

[calm aurora]

I deny your DMG sir

[lost ravine]

[spice cloud]

Nope just dodged right into it

[lilac schooner]

@spice cloud what are you saying? I was showing it didnt break tracking at all, if it did he would be swinging where I started the slide...

[flat mist]

I already told you that it stops enemies who begin their attacks during your slide from tracking you

The overhead was clearly commenced before you slid

[spice cloud]

Its like saying u dodged when u dodge right into a crusher

U have to slide away from the overhead not INTO IT

[stray mulch]

or at an angle

[spice cloud]

Yeah

But not like this

[stray mulch]

but directly sliding into it doesn't help disprove the fact that dodging should stop tracking

and if the slide actually doesn't stop the tracking that's even worse imo

[lilac schooner]

you dont have to dodge away to dodge crushers look at the first 2 dodges

[stray mulch]

in all fairness i think the moving overhead is the harder one to actually dodge btw

[spice cloud]

U have to dodge far enough

Or left and right

Not just anywhere

[stray mulch]

the over head has a splash-like hit box

it's not like the 1st 2 hits

[lilac schooner]

its a very small hitbox its just he was tracking me the whole way I was sliding

[flat mist]

The overheads and the horizontal swings arent the same attacks

[low harbor]

Crusher overhead has OOBB

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/pesado-dios-mio-stressed-problematic-oh-no-gif-12622815322168322147

[lilac schooner]

yes so what I was saying is slippery customer does nothing for crusher overheads*

[verbal dew]

it does nothing for most things

like why are you sliding instead of dodging unless you're dodge sliding in melee

[flat mist]

Try sliding directly away from them and you can clearly notice the difference

[spice cloud]

U where saying that with slippery customer a crusher would still hit u

[lilac schooner]

yes you will still get overheaded with slippery customer

[spice cloud]

Not if u dodge correctly

[verbal dew]

shorthand for crusher hitting you is generally the overhead

[lilac schooner]

you dont need slippery customer to dodge correctly..

[spice cloud]

Thats not the point

[stray mulch]

if you dodge correctly or even incorrectly if you have the i-frame at the right distance you shouldnt get hit

like dodge-sliding backwards, no?

[flat mist]

The point isnt that slippery is good its that you dont understand it

[verbal dew]

same thing :^)

[spice cloud]

Dont understand it therefore bad

[stray mulch]

i blame FS

[mighty belfry]

i mean

it isn't really good tbf

[flat mist]

Slippery isnt optimal but it does let you do fun, stupid, hyper aggressive shit

[verbal dew]

they don't like asterisks

[mighty belfry]

I wouldn't use it.

But it does serve some use.

[flat mist]

Its just that you can just use dodges to fall back and make space

So its only purpose is being stupid and sliding around ignoring everything

[stray mulch]

does it not just make dodge-sliding backwards better?

[verbal dew]

I think scum could do with some ogryn-esque ignorance talents

[flat mist]

Yes but just dodge back and then dodge slide back

[spice cloud]

It does make dodgesliding to retreat better

[flat mist]

Or just time your dodge slide better to avoid the overhead anyway

[stray mulch]

or alley cat XD

MY CRUTCHES ARE SUPER STURDY

[verbal dew]

or rampage+healthmaxxing and live it

[stray mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-gif-8568862

ally cat gaming

[muted pivot]

Scum talents are so premium already

The fact that even in a crit build I can no longer budget in +5 crit +5 TDR +10 CDR is kinda crazy

Let alone "sliding makes you melee immune"

[main trellis]

Bait talent; there are better things to take than that

[obtuse ruin]

tried to update my more melee focused stim-supply build with the new tree. Did I fuck anything up? If so how bad?

[upbeat pendant]

if youre going pocket toxin, might as well go blackout too, otherwise if youre sticking to rpg, id go splash damage instead

and id swap quick and deadly for tertium welcome

if youre using needler, you dont need pick pocket, get channeled devastation or hyper violence instead, could also take out the +1 blitz so you get both those talents

[spice cloud]

Remove pp get hyper violence

Also remove both quick and deadly and tertium welcome

3 points to spend elswhere

[obtuse ruin]

I would like to stick with my rpg, if not cause I have some horrid issues when it comes to big clumps of carapace enemies.

Also I'm in fact not using the needler, I'm using the dual stub pistols because of personal preference.

And why should I remove them? And what would you recommend to swap em out for/why?

[spice cloud]

And please get a cleave talent

[spice cloud]

Dual stubs are fine

Needler is just very good against armor

Rocket allways good

Also take the tox explosions

Instead of that other thing on the right

[upbeat pendant]

also what melee are you running, if youre using something like the tac axe you dont need cleave talents

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt recommend pocket toxin with boombringer imo

but its also pathing so

[serene fox]

Should be able to take splash damage instead

[spice mural]

I usually run the taxe for my melee build. How are the shivs after the changes? I haven’t gotten around to trying them yet.

[brittle sierra]

They changed shivs?

[verbal dew]

mk1 lights got slightly worse cleave

[astral canyon]

slashy shivs also had their heavies slightly buffed

[muted pivot]

I just take all the cleave talents with my shivs now

They're still god tier

Not sure if I need all 3 talents for it tbh

But it's difficult to compare without running a full game with or without them idk

[spice mural]

Are the mk1 still the superior choice or is more preference now?

[muted pivot]

I'm still using the mark 1 stabbers

I think the mark 1s are best for the ability to deal with Crusher mobs

But I'm taking chembombs

For pathing reasons

[astral canyon]

its always been preference tbh

the main reason to use mk3 is still the faster light spam

[spice mural]

I preferred the stabby for the overkill talent before the rework (I can never remember the talent names) so I’d been wondering.

[muted pivot]

Maybe with the boombringer it's less necessary, but I can't afford the extra point to get the precursor node

[muted pivot]

Hyperviolence?

[spice mural]

I think that’s the one yeah.

[muted pivot]

The mark 1s still feel absolutely great imo

[spice mural]

Like I said, I can never remember the talent names. Too much to keep track of.

[spice cloud]

One of the 50% talents is enough for me

Usually the kill one with shivs

Plus the one from rampage

Thatll allready blend everything even crushers.

[muted pivot]

Well you can't cleave through crushers anyway either way after one of the patches a while ago

Carapace is a hard stop now iirc?

[low harbor]

Always has been

Unless u had specific bypass

[spice cloud]

Yeah i worded that wrong

I just meant that crushers pose not much trouble

[zenith pagoda]

Perfect strike

[astral lintel]

kaboom bringer

[main trellis]

And pierce

[astral canyon]

sunder

[zenith pagoda]

I just saw the worst spawn on havoc ever

All of a sudden there was like 10 million of every enemy on the map

I was surrounded by about 20 ragers and crushers, and have 5 snipers on me

All in about 4 seconds

Scum used rocket but they just kept coming

I'm used to havoc bullshit but I was genuinely shocked

[vapid jungle]

Guess ill die moment

I prefer the mutie throw into poxburster into dog knocked down by mutie into trapper/flamer.

[unique spire]

What's your guy's favorite April Fool's thing today

Wait

Wrong chat

[dusk dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_QaFrgRN4

[heavy compass]

Are hive scum drug addicts or are thet just using PEDs

[dusk dock]

man full melee hscum is the most fun ive had in a while

[bronze crown]

For me I honestly preferred desperado.

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[dusk dock]

hsword + hscum

match made in heaven

[astral canyon]

Hive sword and heavy scum

[plucky nymph]

any havoc 40 boensaw enthusiasts know how to build this thing, ive hit almost 1m boss dmg but then i do literally 0 to hordes 😐

[spice mural]

Have you considered pairing it with a short cd stimm supply bomb? Admittedly I’m no havoc 40 expert but it’s the first thing I thought of. I’ve only gone as high as 21.

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-20834117

[spice mural]

Or get you a pocket psyker with a flame staff.

[vapid jungle]

I wonder if its worth it to lean fully into cleave for h40? Wrath+ shock and awe. It'll feel bad missing the power/crit but maybe tagging more enemies with toxin is worth?

[spice mural]

The only issue I can think is the bonesaw is pretty slow.

[plucky nymph]

i dont have the mental to give up shred, more critty more toxy Q_Q

[astral canyon]

bonesaw has atrocious base cleave

you need all the cleave you can get

[vapid jungle]

I always take shock n awe

[spice mural]

Take stimm supply, take the talents that make it blow up, only take one node in the stimm lab so you can drop it every 15 seconds.

[plucky nymph]

saw needs one horizontal, right now its such a steep vertical thats slightly horizontal 😐

[vapid jungle]

Havent tried with wrath. Where's that cleave guy that always runs wrath.

[astral canyon]

yeah shock and awe at the very least is mandatory

[spice mural]

Dropping it also gives chem dependency stacks for that sweet sweet crit.

[plucky nymph]

i need my rampage xD its more fun caus the voice actor goes hard

[spice mural]

Only other option I can think of then is needle pistol alt fire.

On high havoc the stimm supply can also cure corruption and make you immune to it. Not sure if that sweetens the deal at all. :p

[plucky nymph]

i never get corrupt my mind is pure

[spice mural]

It can be tough with hordes of enemies collapsing in to toxic goo and also tox gas all over the place.

[vapid jungle]

Maybe you horde clear with no cd stimsplosion meme

[spice mural]

Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it! It’s actually pretty fun.

[vapid jungle]

I will try. Can't imagine it offsets the dps loss for your team.

Or maybe even yourself

[bronze glade]

Shock and awe and cleave talent

And then light spam

[bronze glade]

Oops meant to reply here

[vapid jungle]

THIS IS THE WRATH GUY

[plucky nymph]

Wrathman

[bleak osprey]

how long does it take to grind hive scum to level 30

[astral canyon]

2 years

[vapid jungle]

2000 max viscosity stim uses

[jovial heron]

Wrong it’s 40k

[astral canyon]

40k seconds

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-brian-baumgartner-kevin-malone-it-all-happened-so-fast-so-fast-gif-5151849

[high kraken]

tried bone saw, slow, went back to skiing on the shivs

[dapper coral]

Instructions unclear, finished in 4 seconds.
Oh wait, u were talking about leveling a character, nevermind.

[muted pivot]

I like it for a full chemist themed Doctor Krags build

But really just for theming than practicality

It's a decent Cleaver, and purple mode is actually pretty good into beasts of nurgle specifically imo

It drastically improves your team's ability to fight a BoN from the front

[astral canyon]

purple mode is just brittleness tho?

[muted pivot]

Yes

Brittleness/rending improve all kinds of situational damage modifiers including ranged and the BoN damage resistance from non-weakspots, iirc? Or do I fundamentally misunderstand what's going on here lol

It feels like as soon as I slap a burgle with purple a few times its health suddenly spikes down

[astral canyon]

brittleness is just rending but as a debuff on the enemy

[muted pivot]

Yes, so it should drastically improve your whole team's damage on a BoN if you can't maneuver to its ass or wait for the mouth to open afaik?

[astral canyon]

i mean

kinda?

but it wouldnt be any different from any other monstrosity

youre still probably going to be getting way more damage by sticking with green mode

[muted pivot]

Even if I already capped chem by shooting my needles before it reached melee?

Especially since purple also has somewhat increased base damage?

[astral canyon]

idk

[livid raven]

that's a trick question because the monstrosity already died

[muted pivot]

Like, I'm a weirdo who still runs Achlys Twubber Ogryn sometimes

And that's a great bosskiller with a poor unyielding modifier

So that gets boosted hugely by any brittleness

Or is it the Vraks 5 that's a theoretically good bosskiller with bad unyielding? I forget

I think there's a few weapons like that where the volume of fire Vs large targets is balanced by a lower modifier

[dapper coral]

Really wonder what brittleness does to the armour debuffs.
5% reduced armour is what? Is weakspot counted as "no" armour value, so with max brittleness stacks us do 1x ranged and 1.4x melee?

[muted pivot]

There are so many sources of damage reduction, I thought I heard that Rending/brittle applies to all of them but I might be mistsken

Mistaken fuck

[astral canyon]

Check pinned guide on #veteran-class

[astral canyon]

No?

There arent really many sources of damage reduction at all

Its all just adm

Well theres also rotten armor but thats a different thing

[muted pivot]

Sources of adm then

[astral canyon]

There arent any "sources" of adm lmao

[muted pivot]

Adm Vs reduction feels artificial in game

[vapid jungle]

https://youtu.be/Kif1SOFRCtQ?si=WGVSz3vggqgvOfl3

[dapper coral]

Thx, that makes a lot of sense, so 1 stack of brittleness would add 1.125% ranged weakspot dmg to BoN

[fast surge]

Depends on the weapon

[fast surge]

The damage multiplier listed there is independent of a weapon's adm

Brittleness(and rending) affects a weapon's adm specifically, not a hitzone's multiplier

[dapper coral]

Thx

[west bluff]

how does one use the needle gun

[zenith fern]

Just shoot once and everything fucking dies

[west bluff]

noted

[limpid mantle]

does vultures push work? or is it still bugged?

[verbal dew]

it's just bad

miniscule stagger

[livid raven]

it was never bugged

[west bluff]

does stimm supply just cleanse corruption

ik about dispensing the effects of your stim

but like

the base stimm supply itself

[livid raven]

yeah

that's what the ability says

[west bluff]

right

i was confused wether it was supposed to heal you too or not

i run desperado

[bronze glade]

It doesn’t clear wounds or heal you

[spice mural]

Each shot inflicts a stacking damage over time effect. It’s really just that simple.

So if you see a crusher or some big target you put a few stacks on them and let them tick.

[fast surge]

Unlike other dots, tox does the same damage to everything so just use it on big targets like ogryns and bosses

3-4 shots per target usually suffices

[spice mural]

And the alt fire does something different depending on the mark also.

I don’t remember the mark but I prefer the one that explodes in a cloud of poison when something dies and infects the others.

[livid raven]

not true

like all other dots, it does different damage to different targets

it just happens to have carapace adm higher than 0.2

[fast surge]

Yes my bad for some reason I was thinking about the linear damage scaling and got mixed up a bit

[livid raven]

the mk2 is the one that explodes enemies in toxin

the other has unusable special mode

[spice mural]

Yeah that one.

[wheat brook]

The needle pistol feels kinda bad after using other guns on other characters

The hit sound is really quiet I have no idea if I got something and I feel like it blanks a lot