hivescum-class

[ashen osprey]

What happens if you take the med pack ability without the cartel special?
Will it use whatever stim is in your inventory?

[muted pivot]

It should do

It should also use it up though so it's not particularly sustainable

[ashen osprey]

“It should” as in it doesn’t and that should be added?

I’m not going to be able to test this myself for about a day is the thing

[icy scaffold]

It’s designed to use the consumable stim if you don’t take the cartel one. It’s just kinda pointless with how spammable the cartel one is.

[ashen osprey]

Honestly I’m finding I don’t like the cartel one
Feels less impactful than the standard stims
That said I haven’t reached level 30 yet so that’ll probably change

[icy scaffold]

Yea at max level you can have a bunch of damage and cooldown stacked on your stim

Just have sample collector and the thing that resets your ability cooldown when the stim comes off cooldown, then you can spam boxes essentially

[ashen osprey]

As of now I’m just using the cartel special to spam the everliving hell out of desperado

[icy scaffold]

Yea that’s what I do

[pale trench]

Cartel's Special is the best when used purposefully and efficiently. Otherwise you're either better off without it or, yeah, use the pack and rely on map stims

The cooldown track is best for my Desperado build and I max out the Critical Chance track with my Crowbar Crit build

I also have a build with Rampage and the cooldown track but the more I play it the more I realize it's not needed

But it is fun

[ashen osprey]

I think I just prefer the map stims power over the cartel special’s spamability
Maybe if there was just… More… To the cartel special
A lot of the CS nodes are effectively filler. CS is actively useless until you hit level 10

[pale trench]

Do you mean character level 10? Because honestly lots of us are weak at level 10

[ashen osprey]

“Trust level” 10, so yeah

I more mean it to point out how bad the early nodes are than anything

[pale trench]

Like I said, if you use the CS with intention, it's better and more reliable than the map stims. With chemical dependency and some cool down on the stim I can have near perpetual uptime on Rampage. Same with Desperado.

[pale trench]

I'll grant they don't feel all that impactful (except toughness, you can literally see how much that's helping you, plus it's the only one you can "double dip" into by dipping in and out of the stim pack) but more strength is more strength. More speed is more speed. More cooldown is more cooldown.

[ashen osprey]

Maybe if the viscosity didn’t change with the ingredient cap
Because early on you’re waiting 80 seconds for an 18% faster cooldown

[pale trench]

Yeah that's kind of ass. Making the low level stims all have a longer cooldown sucks and probably misleads some into thinking that's how it always works and it's therefore bad

Super long cooldown for +4% strength sucks lol

[north saddle]

Anyone else constantly forget to use the stim?

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

But actually

[north saddle]

Its like 80 precent of my cognitive reflection in this game. Take the stim, take the stim, TAKE THE DAMN STIMM!

[fast surge]

Honestly cartel special should just be fully customizable at trust level 1. It doesn't make sense to have them progress with you when map stimms are always the same effectiveness

[jovial heron]

Had to download a mod to help better show when it’s off cooldown

[north saddle]

Also the viscosity and cooldown is a bit rediculous at max stim points

[north saddle]

I dont use mods

[jovial heron]

Oh THATS the face you have while dirt inspecting. Hard to tell cause when I revive I just see the back of your head!

[north saddle]

Bold of you to assume that i stay for you to res me once i get downed

[jolly geyser]

Anyone know a good guide

Like ogrynkmicon

For this class?

[north saddle]

I am afraid not. Maybe check pins?

[fast surge]

Check out Kulis guides on steam

They are less guides and more repositories of information though

But the information is very reliable

[jolly geyser]

Thx

[upbeat pendant]

yeah i take what i said back what said, played desp into rotten armor, ts so ass

[muted pivot]

Sample Collector makes the cartel special stimm a hell of a lot more usable, and that's a travel node now

It's rare that you wouldn't take it

But yeah, cartel special stimm doesn't peak until level 25

[main trellis]

Nah bro; blud dunno how 2 despy & stimm together to kill rotten
I used despy on rotten before & it was ok

[upbeat pendant]

i mean its alright, i just got bored while playing it

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah I often did

But now I've programmed into my brain to cooldown stim when rampage ends

[verbal dew]

that's why I like chem dep so I just force myself to use it keep stacks up

[cerulean crane]

Do you guys take more than just cdr on stimm?

[verbal dew]

I don't take cdr on stimm really

strength is the most common thing I take

[mighty belfry]

It's kind of a balancing factor because max stimms are kinda crazy to have as an availability at all

Sample collector does enough to circumvent it anyway

You just need to invest more in using toxin for higher viscosity stimms

[astral canyon]

i just wish chem dep had stimm cdr

that would be peak

[stray mulch]

would have to be an upgrade

but i'd like it

[lilac schooner]

did you win at least

[upbeat pendant]

no lol, i played it for like 5 mins then we got wiped then swapped to rampage

ill try it again next time

[lilac schooner]

thats not even long enough for pickpocket to even be a problem 😭

[upbeat pendant]

yeah i didnt proc pp once

[lilac schooner]

even before the nerf desperado sucked against rotten like it was a throw pick

[upbeat pendant]

yeah, the only 2 people with h40 games were blight+rotten, ngl i dont mind rotten, i just hate blight cause i have to actually look where im stepping

[lilac schooner]

you wont need to look if you play box scum

[upbeat pendant]

i cant not use rampage, its too fun i need my dps numbers

but it was fine, had a book

[lilac schooner]

yeah rampage is really too good to pass up I used to play melee vet, but since the vet nerfs and even a little before melee scum is just a better version

rampage is literally better shout atp does the same thing minus gold toughness 😭

and you get a huge melee bonus the whole time

[upbeat pendant]

and like its good against every thing, horde clear, armor, boss, it does it all. the needler for far enemies and also more boss damage

[lilac schooner]

everyone likes the needler but I don't like the fact it has zero stagger so most specials usually get a shot off like flamers trappers dogs and snipers before they go down

so i run bolt pistol normally but im thinking of trying stubbers

[upbeat pendant]

also depends on how you wanna play your range weapon, i use needler cause i want more boss damage, id use the stub if i wanted a range specialist killer

[lilac schooner]

also the lethal prox with rockets is 👌

[lilac schooner]

I feel like I do plenty of boss damage already just with rampage shivs

#hivescum-class message

[upbeat pendant]

oh yeah its already alot, i just want moreeee, ill try out stubbers next time i play

or bolt pistol with lethal prox

[lilac schooner]

if you run rpg lethal prox makes the radius 10% bigger

[low harbor]

It’s 25%

[lilac schooner]

o ye

[upbeat pendant]

yeah, i cant not use rpg anymore, its such a "i played bad but its okay cause i got rpg so its fine"

[zenith pagoda]

When I used 4 stack chem, I binded my stim to space bar to autoapply lol

[lilac schooner]

its ogryns pocket nuke but you get 4 😂

[upbeat pendant]

ah i dont use the +1 blitz, cant sacrifice anything

[zenith pagoda]

It's a bit overkill unless playing rotten armour

[lilac schooner]

I skip the toxin on melee crit its not very good unless you're running a tox buff/debuff build

[upbeat pendant]

so you go pocket toxin? to get to chem dep or do you use adrenaline

[lilac schooner]

Chem dep has been more consistent from testing adrenaline feels like a glass cannon in havoc

Yeah I go pocket extra pounches > pocket toxin

You could grab splash damage after if you want it's better than coated weaponry if you want to go the buff/debuff toxin route

[lilac schooner]

Yeah I wouldn't take it if the other choices were better, coated weaponry I don't see much value in

[zenith pagoda]

I run this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a157966e-af42-4676-a70c-a530eef189ea/avoid-blight

[upbeat pendant]

this was what ive been running, i moved the jittery point to bellow for more utility and slowly rehabilitating myself from wasting dodges, no battering strikes cause i use taxe with brumentum

im considering moving the street tough point to something else

[lilac schooner]

I think street tough is good

[astral canyon]

its insane lol

[zenith pagoda]

I use it because lethal prox buffs the radius

[astral canyon]

who the fuck decided to give it to hive scum of all classes

[lilac schooner]

You don't take nimble either? I also like jittery but it could be removed too

[astral canyon]

the only reason i dont run street tough is purely out of spite

[upbeat pendant]

yeah its good but like, if im so good at the game where i dont get hit that often, its useless, think about it

[astral canyon]

if youre that good at the game almost anything is useless

[livid raven]

if you are that good at the game, turn off all your talents lil bro

stop using crutches

[upbeat pendant]

no i need my rpg

[livid raven]

understandable

[astral canyon]

incomprehensible

[lilac schooner]

extra pouches = more rpg

[upbeat pendant]

i love having grenade priority

[upbeat pendant]

yeah i kinda stopped using dodge talents when i saw how many damage talents there are now

[astral canyon]

i still wish zealot and ogryn's non-replenishing blitzes got buffed to give scum more competition

[zenith fern]

How about you stop taking damage talents and just use dodge talents only

[lilac schooner]

well nuke did get buffed really hard too

[astral canyon]

based

[lilac schooner]

its just you only have 1

[zenith fern]

Revert RPG to launch

[upbeat pendant]

if only you could get alley rat with nimble

[zenith fern]

[astral canyon]

perish

[zenith fern]

Just group up enemies and kill them

simple as that

[lilac schooner]

This is what I run

jittery for channeled devasation might be what I'll do

also I accidently put virulent strain dont mind that

[zenith fern]

I still dont vibe the new tree, the previous was near perfect with only change needed was the bottom

[lilac schooner]

Yes the stim talents in the middle kinda tax you, and I could get to chem dep without all these blitz talents before

[upbeat pendant]

its aight unless you want crit coherency with desp then you have to take both stim nodes

[astral canyon]

the forced stimm nodes in the middle are the only part that actually sucks about the new tree imo

[zenith fern]

Fatshark, throw at us another Scum tree rework and buffs, also nerf again Pickpocket

[lilac schooner]

I like long lasting until I found out its pretty bad for chem dep, but I still run it

[astral canyon]

if sample collector was in between those two nodes where that +25 toughness grey node used to be it'd instantly improve it by a lot

[lilac schooner]

chill ranged scum is dead already, melee scum is way better atm

[astral canyon]

"ranged scum is dead" lmao

[zenith fern]

fucking lmao

"Thats a cute opinion, did Reddit gave it to you?"

[lilac schooner]

on havoc it wasnt already the best now with the pp nerfs its meh

[astral canyon]

lol

lmao

[zenith fern]

lmao lol even

[astral canyon]

pickpocket nerf was barely a slap on the wrist

[zenith fern]

Desperado users trying to figure how to use swap weapons to refill ammo from melee kills

https://tenor.com/view/the-croods-grug-i-have-an-idea-rock-hitting-head-gif-4749519154858206022

(They dont have a melee keybind)

[lilac schooner]

I mean it fundamentally shifted it from a ranged only class like psyker to more of a hybrid how people think it's "supposed" to play its a pretty big change

[astral canyon]

you just pull out your shivs to shank some random specialist every once in a while

[lilac schooner]

Everyone once in a while? you get two mags it's gonna be every 10 seconds lol

scum still as a whole is strong melee scum was better and is better than ranged scum cause it actually deals with cara well

[upbeat pendant]

i mean thats just not true, it does lower pure ranged desp damage a significant amount, the people who use the "just swap to melee" argument forget that pp procs alot in a single game, like every single specialist/elite kill before the change was a pp proc, and you could kill like 300 of them in a game back then

[livid raven]

yeah it killed the build, people who disagree also happen to be their biggest haters back then

[zenith fern]

Whinge whinge whinge

Stow it

[lilac schooner]

I just wanna caption, we're talking about havoc too, auric it's probably fine still maybe even OP there

[zenith fern]

Havoc is still fine

more than fine

[mighty belfry]

I do want to say

Ranged scums main issue in havoc

Is rotten armor

[zenith fern]

That wont stop them from bringing desperado and still be mad why cant they kill shit

[mighty belfry]

Rotten armor is such a significant outlier compared to any other modifier in this game though.

[upbeat pendant]

yeah, hopefully it changes next week, i want inferno back

[zenith fern]

lol

They wont ever

[astral canyon]

wwOwOtten awwmOwOww

[lilac schooner]

My friend did have inferno as a modifier on a 30 I think it was the 4th modifier

[zenith fern]

Also so funny that Ogryn lugger is now stealing the spot for desperado in havoc

deserved

[mighty belfry]

Ranged scum holds up just fine anywhere else though really. And it's not like it's completely useless for rotten even then

[zenith fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1475563052215697563/pokes_you.gif

[upbeat pendant]

oh yeah, that shit is really good, guy i played with could keep up with rampage dps, forgot if it was before or after the patch

[astral canyon]

so true bestie

[zenith fern]

Hold up let me keep shooting to the rot crusher horde

[mighty belfry]

There has to be a consideration that havoc shouldn't really be a balancing post for this game

I say this for melee scum too

The whole class feels balanced with havoc in mind and it causes a severe discrepancy with it in auric

[lilac schooner]

what melee scum is like best havoc class it out dps psyker now

[zenith fern]

Scum will only get balanced when they revert back RPG

[zenith fern]

competes with psyker

[mighty belfry]

That's my point.

I genuinely don't think melee scum needs to be as strong as it is

I don't think the entire class needs to be at the power level it is.

[astral canyon]

deals too much damage and is way too safe

[zenith fern]

there is no glasscannon in my videogame

[mighty belfry]

It's just the power creep creeping more and more.

[lilac schooner]

it also does way more than kill trash mobs so boss damage and elites are most of the damage

[astral canyon]

its just cannon

[lilac schooner]

so I'd say its better dps than psyker too

[upbeat pendant]

melee scum already outdps psyker and is effective against everything

[mighty belfry]

It depends on the psyker tbf

[zenith fern]

Inferno staff, FGS, voidblast

[upbeat pendant]

yeah theres that issue of player skill too

[mighty belfry]

And the setup of the psyker

[upbeat pendant]

cant really do a proper comparison

[mighty belfry]

Because meleeker still has insane dps potential

[astral canyon]

and also tanky af

[lilac schooner]

The only one that I've seen do like really well is one abusing macros Dorfin I think

and it was a purg/deimos melee build

[astral canyon]

pug/deimos

[mighty belfry]

Dude I've played with several amazing psykers from this server actually

None of them have needed any sort of macro

They're just built like that.

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/spine-spine-removal-cat-cat-attack-cat-jump-gif-24277252

Those are not real players

[mighty belfry]

And even beyond those I see really good psykers decently often nowadays in my lobbies at least

[cerulean crane]

Isn't it good if theres something OP for pubs so that players don't sandbag as much? Good players will settle into playing the things they like and reach similar potential to a bad player using something OP.

Not to say I'm advocating for aggressive powercreep but it does help if shit players who WILL be queuing the high diff because they feel entitled to it are able to play their OP class and actually have impact

[near relic]

Weird thing is, Dorfan has good mechanics even without macros. He doesn't need them. Not sure why he uses them so much

[cerulean crane]

Laziness? Maybe just tired of the carpal tunnel

[zenith fern]

just learn be better

[near relic]

He uses cheaty macros

[zenith fern]

smh

[near relic]

Like, melee attacking 3+ times per second. Technically doable without macros, but not really

[cerulean crane]

We talking like inhuman inputs?

For macros my take (not that mine matters cuz I'm basically a new player atp) is that if it's doing a human-possible input and failing that input wouldn't cost you a bunch of DPS then it's not really a huge deal. Idk what types of macros tho

[mighty belfry]

The issue is the remotely competent players that basically play the game entirely themselves because they've been given the means to do that

This ofc isn't an issue in havoc

But that's what I mean by havoc not being a healthy balancing post.

[cerulean crane]

I assume you mean in like aurics?

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

I don't play auric anymore because of this reason

[near relic]

This is an interesting debate about balance. The average player of any game, especially those with deep mechanics, is objectively not very good. The high skill players are usually a fraction of a percent. League of Legends is an easy example, because they release statistics about where players sit on the ranked ladders. I think the top of the bell curve is silver? Maybe gold? Meanwhile Challenger is like 0.02% of the total playerbase.

So what happens when you make something that requires higher skill, but you still want it to be good for the average player? In many cases, it ends up OP for the really good players. Lee Sin is a great example in League. Had like a 48% or lower winrate in ranked, but 100% pick/ban in competitive.

So we have Hive Scum, which is objectively really strong, but comparatively fragile. The average player can't play it for shit. That's why the tiny nerf to pickpocket made so many people upset, because engaging in melee is a lot harder than shooting for free forever. But in buffing scum to make it palatable for the average player, the class has (arguably) managed to meet or even surpass Psyker's strength. Finding balance for all levels of play is impossible, I think.

[near relic]

Ye

[cerulean crane]

Yeah no I can see that, auric is pretty cozy with any of the more overtuned builds

[near relic]

I use macros for any single input, like LMB EK, but it's not faster than I can click manually

[mighty belfry]

Played a CIVI as zealot before the reset

A shriek psyker

[cerulean crane]

Yeah I do agree with the last sentence of this (to be clear I read the rest )

[mighty belfry]

And two desp scum

It was a fucking miserable experience

[mighty belfry]

Because for me who wants to engage with the game, it's annoying when you're put with people with setups that simply may not allow you to do so.

[cerulean crane]

I feel like that was shade thrown at Six but I can't tell

[mighty belfry]

And it's not a skill issue kind of matter either.

It's not.

[cerulean crane]

Is desp scum bad

[bronze glade]

Yeah sucks

God forbid I want to just play the fucking game

[cerulean crane]

My scum only just got 30 and then I abandoned it to rebuild all my shit from 2y ago on vet/zealot/psy

[near relic]

I just like posting the screaming possum in response to comments about shriek psyker.

Also, yeah, I am a lover of shriek. Is very fun for me. Burn the world.

[mighty belfry]

I blame not the player but more the entity that allowed the player to have that power.

[leaden fable]

play mode with no ammo pickups
Entire team except you has infinite ammo

[cerulean crane]

I enjoyed shriek but I feel like I have completely forgotten peril management as a whole since my break

[lilac schooner]

true, I think at the highest level melee hs was always better than ranged just because they can deal with everything

[near relic]

My Beloved?

[near relic]

Hard agree.

[lilac schooner]

but ranged hs allowed lower skill players to make it to higher levels of play

[near relic]

Hey guess what I made* yesterday

*used AI to make

[cerulean crane]

Hey better use of ai than fruit island or whatever the fuck

[stray mulch]

if someone could make a mod for the buff effects that would be nice

like the total on the ones that scale peril

[bronze glade]

AI reeeeeeeee

AI is the devil!!

[stray mulch]

do you use google?

[bronze glade]

no

[stray mulch]

smart phone?

alexa?

[bronze glade]

i don't consort with the devil

[stray mulch]

cap

[astral canyon]

dumbass phone

[cerulean crane]

I have a pixel and the amount of shit I had to go through to disable all the fuckass AI features

[bronze glade]

well it's google

what did you expect

[cerulean crane]

I expected what I got I don't really mind it THAT much

[stray mulch]

and you still have aritificial intelligence helming every single remaining operating system on it

[near relic]

I had to find the appropriate source code and coach it to solutions. I just don't know how to code Lua. It was 40ish iterations and many hours spent.

[cerulean crane]

Correct

[near relic]

What do you mean? Like, an on-screen indicator of what they're doing?

[stray mulch]

its not avoidable when using most of modern day technology

[cerulean crane]

Cannot imagine how many crash reports you have

[cerulean crane]

I assume similar to your peril thing that shows uptime?

Idk maybe I'm tweaking

[stray mulch]

what yall call AI is a directive on how to do any and everything when it comes to scheduling, searching, directing etc

just using google means you are using AI

[cerulean crane]

I don't wholly hate AI I only really have an issue with genai slop

[stray mulch]

fair

[cerulean crane]

Cuz you're vaporizing a village worth of water to make some cat dance

And my ram prices

I built my recent PC a month before it spiked to like 700 for 32gb fortunately

[stray mulch]

rather that than automate calculative drones that can easilly make amoral descisions like percision bombing runs

just saying

[cerulean crane]

I didn't say other ai was all good

[bronze glade]

I refuse to use any programs that aren’t organically coded with all natural ingredients 😤

[cerulean crane]

I run windows so I've already failed

[stray mulch]

gen ai i think has a use, we are just abusing it in ways that most wouldnt like

[bronze glade]

Microslop 💪

[cerulean crane]

30% ai coded

[cerulean crane]

This is a very broad and deep subject that I probably don't want to get into in the drug addicted lunatic channel, I don't disagree. As usual it's humans misusing thing rather than thing being inherently bad

[near relic]

Fwiw, I use Claude b/c Anthropic actually pushed back about that

So they're probably the least evil AI company

It seems like they have something resembling morals.

[near relic]

Many.

[stray mulch]

yeah from what ive been following most any AI company choosing not to work with the US military atm are being placed on a list and getting bans from cooperation with US companies

but ill leave convo there

[cerulean crane]

Privately immoral is at least better than publicly immoral

[bronze glade]

the crazy part is that they weren't even refusing to work

they were perfectly with their products being used in venezuela and iran

they drew the line at no human oversight and mass surveillance of americans

which just tells you how fucking stupid the kegsbreath fight is

[glass gale]

Really solid patch

[outer fern]

How often do you guys really use the needle pistols alt fire for aoe? It always feels lackluster to me and im not sure if im missing something.

[near relic]

Rarely. If I have lots of ammo and want to thin a horde while I am moving, I use the alt fire. Otherwise, I just melee them.

[stray mulch]

i use it about 50% of the time

it has really good horde clear

but

im also built specifically into toxin and have all the talents that affect it as well as Run n' Gun

MK2

[brittle sierra]

No

It's kinda cheeks unless you have good reload speed

[reef spoke]

depends on build for me. I don't use it if I use tox blackouts. But my Desperado + Chem grenade build uses it for horde clear

[astral canyon]

never tbh

[mighty belfry]

Only on a really heavily dedicated stimm crate build.

For me at least.

[cerulean crane]

Somehow I always miss when I'm trying to shoot something with altfire but not with chem so I stopped using it

And like radius always seems ass

What's the scaling on death explosions anyway?

[livid raven]

2 stacks for the tox explosions

the other mark that does actual explosions does like what

5 damage on the explosion itself

[vast pagoda]

has anyone noticed that hivescum launches in the air non stop just by dodging?

[lost ravine]

on inclines yes

but that is just how it be sometimes

[vast pagoda]

its been enough to kill me a few times because I can't really dodge or move mid air

[analog plover]

Man this class just hasn't really felt good at all to me until I equipped the dual stub pistols, it feels incredible now lmao

[exotic temple]

Depends, on crate build I use the mkII alt on most hordes if ammo is topped off to farm stim back faster. For a rampage side arm basically I never use the alt fire, although I just built a mkVI to see if it could fill a similar role as th blackouts.

[bronze glade]

the mk6 explosion is a fart in the breeze

[lusty spear]

To my fellow scum enjoyers, what's good with rampage besides the shivs? Nothing else seems to really do the same damage to carapace so they feel hard to justify

[bronze glade]

literally any melee weapon

because rampage makes them all good

[lost ravine]

knife
tac axe

[reef spoke]

Crowbar UwU

[lusty spear]

How do I wanna build crowbar?

[reef spoke]

I was joking, you don't

[lusty spear]

[reef spoke]

Crowbar did not fare well in the balancing department UwU

[lusty spear]

Its like if you made a weapons whole moveset the pull on ogryns pickaxe

But didn't leave in the pickaxes wumbo damage

[reef spoke]

funny times with Hivescum

the other weapons and talents are bullshit strong

Crowbar took the sledgehammer as compensation

[oblique basin]

I played the most sweaty match just because I decided to run the double stub

What the hell is even the benefit of using em

Only style?

I usually run the new b pistol on the melee build

[bronze glade]

that's the one thing it excels at

[oblique basin]

Oh my God

[vale mortar]

I mean

If were talking just messing about

Going pure middle tree and maxing swing speed. The bar can go hardn

Tbf doing that. Makes most melees crank.

But the bar needs it the most

[heavy compass]

Is in fact the crowbar a underated and overpowered weapon

[candid flint]

underrated yeah

op, nah

[flat mist]

Did you hit yourself in the head with it

[heavy compass]

Yes after accudentally discharging my needle pistol into my leg

[rare swan]

I feel like i take so much more dmg when playing hive scum even with high mobility is that just how the class is or a problem w my build?

[bronze glade]

time your dodges better

[vale mortar]

Glassy boi he is

Based much more around dodging

[reef spoke]

That's just Hive Scum, you only have the 1 damage resist node

[reef spoke]

You can facetank shooters though

[bronze glade]

here's your glass cannon buddy

[vale mortar]

Ohh my

Yea and?

I think every class can do that xd

[bronze glade]

i just think it's really funny

[vale mortar]

Im talking normally he is

[bronze glade]

how everything you can say can be flipped

and then it'd be correct

[vale mortar]

Getting piped in the ass hurts him more than others

[bronze glade]

nah

he's about as much as a glass cannon as psyker is

[vale mortar]

Much less than psyker

[bronze glade]

waiting for you to tell me that psyker is a glass cannon now

[reef spoke]

Hive Scum isn't really that vulnerable imo as well

[vale mortar]

I mean. He has goated tough regen. But over all. Yea he is

[bronze glade]

nah

[reef spoke]

It's just multiple melee hits like ragers fuck him up

[vale mortar]

Hp and max tough wise

[bronze glade]

nah

[vale mortar]

He can parry n dodge like a pro tho

[bronze glade]

finally a correct take

third time is the charm

[reef spoke]

He just got a +25 toughness node built in so he's way better now

[vale mortar]

You might have the skill issue. Not me xd

[low harbor]

total toughness unchanged

[bronze glade]

i'm not the one claiming hiv is a glass cannon

when it can tank crusher overheads

[vale mortar]

He is tho

[bronze glade]

casually

[vale mortar]

"Tank"

[reef spoke]

That's why I worded it the way I did. As it was a node that was indeed built in

+1 point saved

[vale mortar]

Barely survives the 1v1 single hit

[low harbor]

why am I getting a skull react for saying the right thing

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1474994315255353435/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2026-02-21_8-59-11_PM.mp4?ex=69c8b200&is=69c76080&hm=cbdb8875b3bc07bfb3ba93a00a9767e6066a06e1cc2386968ddcaa26392ee4a8&

[bronze glade]

yeah that's with only one toughness curio lol

[reef spoke]

Probably thought the statement meant an actual +25 toughness

[vale mortar]

Your picking a very small. Targeted events here

[reef spoke]

In reality it's +1 point to spend which is big for Hive Scum imo

[vale mortar]

Not actual gameplay

In game he get hurted much harder than others

[reef spoke]

Died from fall damage. Fatshark pls fix UwU

[reef spoke]

He should be even tankier though due to ally buffs and auras

[bronze glade]

skill issue

[vale mortar]

Yea technically true

But at the same time

So is taking anything at any time

Just have 1hp. Dont get hit.

So that makes it balanced?

[lilac schooner]

then -1 for the mandatory stim node

[vale mortar]

Skill cap does not mean balanced. Its like tf2 sniper xd

[reef spoke]

Just don't go down the rest of the tree

[vale mortar]

[spice cloud]

I dont think HS is glass cannon tbh

Got some pretty powerfull defensive perks imo

Tghnss regen when getting shot +enemys get knocked away when hitting u+50% tghnss on tghnss break+dr for each stam node.

[flat mist]

+1 point to spend on 1 out of 2 options

[hybrid veldt]

[near mauve]

i see these clips all the time but idk its still the squishiest class in the game

i never feel this tanky in game even while mowing everything down

[bronze glade]

well if you play with an inferior build (gun or stimm box), you lose a lot of DR

[near mauve]

i just mostly play ogryn and zealot so scum feels like paper no matter what xdd

cause these 2 can just soak up dmg now

[neat delta]

Crazy how equipping tac axe on scum turned it into a perpetual motion killing machine

This is more cannon than glass

And with all the toughess I gened. I could hardly feel the gunners on auric

[lilac schooner]

havoc 40 feels like a cakewalk on melee scum now, auric I can't imagine how strong it is there

[neat delta]

the most deadly thing to me on the last mission I played was stairs

hopefully that gives an idea lmfao

I deleted everything

[lilac schooner]

sad to say but it's just a better melee veteran which was the meta for vet

[neat delta]

it's wild shit I hope never gets nerfed cuz I love the crackhead cheetah shit im on

[lilac schooner]

im just suprised they buffed it, it was already good after they took out rampage debuff then they go and give free 25 toughnes and make the tree better

[neat delta]

they

GENUINELY

did not need to get rid of exhaustion

like some talents literally ran on that

[lilac schooner]

i really think that alone pushed it over the edge into being OP cause the effects of rampage was already really strong but came with a huge downside

[low harbor]

Toughness is the same

[zenith fern]

There can only be power creep

What makes you think they added a very "necessary" talent called Street Tough to a cannon class

[neat delta]

anything not carapace dies in like a few hits man

no wonder it gets spammed

i hope rot armor is still in rotation next week

I think this is good

[zenith fern]

Dint think weakspot perk is even needed at all, scum can just shred everything so easily

[neat delta]

i feel it turns a 2 shot into a oneshot

but.

aaaa

yeah no

im just putting unyielding back on

lmfao

[flat mist]

They gave a free choice between two subpar nodes, not free 25 toughness

[neat delta]

honestly exhaustion was hardly an issue like do you see how fast scum restores stamina

[livid raven]

the stamina regeneration was very crippled with the debuff tho

so that's not really it

[soft ridge]

Hey guys, what do you guys think the best Scum build is currently?

[neat delta]

whatever tf im doing

[upbeat pendant]

prob just rampage build with something like shiv/axe

[flat mist]

And it was pretty impactful imo

But that was a good thing lol

[manic wolf]

It was

Shame its not still a thing

[flat mist]

I wouldve been ok with a slight reduction on the stam regen penalty

[manic wolf]

A slight reduction would have been better than nuking it entirely

[verbal dew]

some games to ability debuffs based on how "successful" the last cast was

[manic wolf]

It significantly lowered the skill floor of the class

[verbal dew]

like if you waste rampage and don't extend it it gets worse debuff

[manic wolf]

That would have been fine too, but I feel like the end result would be the same; people would bitch and it would be removed as it is now

[verbal dew]

ye ofc they don't want bad scum press

[hybrid veldt]

9 stamina is obviously the goat

[livid raven]

I think it sucked

Should have been 3s of stun

[clear tusk]

what if hive scum only had a base of 25 hp

guys im cooking

[hexed yacht]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/plague-ogryn-3-light-attacks-kill-havoc-40-hive-scum/120368

[lost ravine]

street tough and splash damage deleted from existence when?

(hyperviolence aswell honestly it is such a dumb talent)

[tranquil fjord]

hyperviolence isnt dumb?

[lost ravine]

consult the above link

and say that again

[zenith pagoda]

I mean it's unique to scum

[lost ravine]

it's also incredibly silly

[upbeat pendant]

could prob just put a cap on it like 5 so you cant just stack infinitely

[zenith fern]

I have better idea revert scum to launch

[lost ravine]

idk what launch scum looked like

[zenith fern]

When everyone sucked ass at scum

And kept going down so easily

Tbh launch scum was fairly fine

[lost ravine]

instructions unclear, buffing psyker

[zenith fern]

Though current tree just sucks ass

[lost ravine]

i am of the opinion that it does not suck enough

[zenith fern]

Oi oi rotundfish another scum tree rework

[lost ravine]

and another round of buffs to sg

[bronze crown]

I have been running this build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0b07c83-1d07-4dd8-8f49-e94a659c4fa3/scums-op-gunslinger-meta-h-40 but now that melee is OP I am looking at this one https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15c1b8e-0df3-4505-8ad3-ab4ca4286bfb/taxe-melee-scum I like these weapons. Are there any suggestions to improve the new taxe build to make it better for Havoc?

[livid raven]

do people really take alley rat instead of nimble

[zenith fern]

Never dropping the far superior nimble

I don't see the reason to bring alley rat given the massive dodge distance scum already has lol

[livid raven]

especially with agile weapons

[lost ravine]

i've seen someone side dodge their way through a mission at alarming speed

like faster than my sprint with shivs

[tranquil fjord]

alley rat is really fun but i dont think its needed

[manic wolf]

Because its funny

[zenith fern]

Then still get hammered by crusher

[lost ravine]

not quite

[zenith fern]

(there was elites on the way blocking the dodge)

[lost ravine]

but i did one time see a scum player run way ahead of the team, get trapped, leave and rejoin

then continue to run ahead

like playing a different game

[zenith fern]

Dodge sliding against melee hordes is something about to happen

Especially armour horde

[lost ravine]

it has perhaps not occurred to fatshark that hypermobility is maybe not a good thing for the game

[zenith fern]

Man has that zealot spirit in him

[zenith pagoda]

Alley rat would be good on ogryn weapons

Just not scum weapons

[bronze crown]

How good is this new build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15c1b8e-0df3-4505-8ad3-ab4ca4286bfb/taxe-melee-scum ?I like the weapons. Are there any perks, blessings, skills, chems, or curio change that can improve it?

[upbeat pendant]

are you going for some sort of hybrid build? if so, going chem dep instead of adrenaline might be better

and id swap out one of the gunner curio to stamina regen

[bronze crown]

Just what ever is best for that combo of weapons I just know thar melee is better now. Correct?

[upbeat pendant]

yeah id say melee is way better than ranged right now

but usually the range weapons for melee builds are ones like needler, bolt pistol or maybe stubbers

[livid raven]

did everyone find out expeditions are the most sauceless mode yet

[upbeat pendant]

you could still run iag if you want and just use it for specialists

but i wouldnt recommend taking any of the range nodes like in your face and voice of tertium

[lost ravine]

after 2 missions yeah kinda

[bronze crown]

I am holding on to hope that HS will get cometic rewards... 🙏

[lost ravine]

especially since one of them crashed at the end

and also people are incompetent

so only really playable with a premade, but if you are already running a premade, you may aswell go havoc or just do normal missions

[bronze crown]

I do have a needle pistol I am building up.

[lost ravine]

good news, needle pistol needs absolutely nothing to operate

not base stats not blessings not perks

it just works

[upbeat pendant]

yeah, it just works, what a balanced weapon

[bronze crown]

So what perks and blessings are best for the taxe now?

[upbeat pendant]

give me a sec, i can share my build ive been running

[sturdy crown]

Hey I can’t seem to make sense of the stimmed penence tried every thing i can Think of

[bronze crown]

Thnak you all. What should I take instead of In your face and voice of tertium?

[upbeat pendant]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a168ac1c-b43e-4f05-8428-98d04f19d80c/taxe-m1-spam

its kind of a brain dead way to play, you just light attack everything in the head, then use needler on bosses / far reapers

[bronze crown]

That what I have been doing already with the autogun. 😛

[zenith fern]

I think is more for many people it was bugged and kept crashing

[bronze crown]

This is Havoc ready? 😁

[upbeat pendant]

yeah its what ive been running in h40s

[bronze crown]

ty!

[upbeat pendant]

you just need to keep improving your dodging because you'll be frontline most of the time

[bronze crown]

Cool thats where I like to be.

[upbeat pendant]

You could play around with the forge's bellow point and change to something else if you'd like, for example jittery or pocket toxin, then swap rpg to blackout

[bronze crown]

The one thing I am just not quite sure of is the curios. I right now I have have 3 +17 toughness with +5 tough 4 special regen and 10 ally rev and and one +3 Stamina. Is gunner damage reduction and stam regen better than the special regen?

[livid raven]

stam regen is pretty ass on hivescum imo

it's already the fastest stam regen in the game

[zenith fern]

it is even more faster since rampage exhaustion removal

[upbeat pendant]

its a preference thing for the curios, if you wanna play more risky you swap the toughness to stamina, i started with 3x hp curios then slowly added the stam curios

[bronze crown]

I think I will play with the 3 17 toughness I have as I am out of the currency from weekly assignments now. I am just trying to decided on now is the 5 toughness vs the 20 less damage from gunners.

[tranquil fjord]

id recommend 1 +3 stam with 2 +17% toughness on scum

could also use a health curio

usually i run 3x +5% toughness, 3x +5% health, 3x +4% cdr

[limber cradle]

I run 2/1 or 1/2 Health and Toughness curios, personally

3x toughness, health, and gunner resist on them

[zenith fern]

I run 2x stamina and 1 toughness curios now

[unreal stirrup]

you need 1 health curios on h40 to not get vaporized by burster

[unreal stirrup]

also toughness have diminishing return in havoc since its flat reduction to your base toughness instead of percentage

[stray mulch]

in havoc I would go minimum 1 hp curio, I would at least commit 15% toughness across all the curios though. Even with whatever reduced returns, given the DR and toughness regen, its worth having the extra toughness

going no toughness would be troll imo

[verbal dew]

why would that be troll

[flat mist]

Lots of scum here (not the class) not running revive speed

Disappointing

[stray mulch]

i always run a minimum of 24%

on every class every build

[flat mist]

Yeah everyone should be doing that

[verbal dew]

same but not always psyker

[flat mist]

Failing a revive speed check is frankly just embarrassing

[stray mulch]

because the probability of taking more damage due to lower toughness % on consecutive hits still is a threat that people refues to pay attention to

[stray mulch]

sometimes with 36% it still doesnt feel fast enough too ngl

the game chooses when it just wants to shaft you

teammate doing a little too good?

knock em and throw every flamer, bomber, and burster they can hiding behind bulwarks

have fun

[bronze glade]

revive speed is nice but nowhere near mandatory

[unreal stirrup]

it is pretty clutch in havoc

[stray mulch]

okay but i never know when to revive, so it helps me gamble since im bad

[zenith fern]

It is mandatory because I want to help teammates

[jovial heron]

Letting them dirt stare helps them learn and get better. The best help

[tight latch]

Can an experienced Hive Scum explain if this is worth keeping or not?

Haven't noticed it really doing much help in the last mission but idk if I use it wrong or something

[mighty belfry]

It clears corruption but won't heal back the health.

It's a safety net to make corruption less problematic but

This is mostly applicable in Havoc

[bronze glade]

also won't clear wounds

[tight latch]

Ah I see

[jovial heron]

I would honestly drop it but it’s either that one or longer stims

Mandatory

Nodes

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it's a mandatory node

[tight latch]

I had both

[jovial heron]

Not necessary

[tight latch]

Dropping that one though

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it's nice specifically in Havoc but unnecessary otherwise

[jovial heron]

I usually grab it if I am chem dependency because the longer stims means waiting more time for stim to come back

[mighty belfry]

There just isn't enough sources of corruption in normal play.

[jovial heron]

monkey paw curls

[tight latch]

So if I'm running chem dependancy I should use that instead of longer stimms?

[jovial heron]

Up to you just know longer stims adds 5 sec to whatever cooldown you have on your cartel special because it doesn’t start ticking down its cooldown until AFTER the stim effect is over. So 5 more secs means 5 seconds longer until it starts cooling down

Can make keeping chem dependency stacks high hard unless you factor that in

[tight latch]

90s dependancy compared to 75s cooldown factoring in my forgetfullness to stimm makes the choice easy though

Thanks for the help

[stray mulch]

it's pretty much a tax node if you are trying to save points going on right side of tree

imo

[jovial heron]

It’s all tax nodes cause the best build is,

[stray mulch]

fair

[jovial heron]

[tight latch]

Yeah mate, can I get stimms with nothing

[jovial heron]

Just love stabbing myself with needles, only high I need

[tight latch]

Does that even work or is it an inside joke between Scum mains?

[stray mulch]

it works, using regular stims with stim supply

if that's what you are asking

extra healing crate on every green stim too

basically a downgraded field prep of sorts

nice on pox gas maps

[tight latch]

I was talking about the empty talent tree

[jovial heron]

It’s a joke

Like saying any talent is a handicap or too good or enables bad players

The response is typically “well the whole tree enables players”

[stray mulch]

alley cat 1000% enables bad players, i would know

im one of them

[jovial heron]

I can’t handle the shadow teleport

The distance is too much

How do you not miss all the melees??!

[stray mulch]

going back to the other classes: No mobility, no extra dodge, no sling shot -- feels disgusting

[jovial heron]

Maybe I’ll try it again

[jovial heron]

Yes but ROCK

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

[tight latch]

Alley rat is the 50% dodge distance right?

[stray mulch]

that is my favourite ogryn talent ngl

[stray mulch]

yeah

[jovial heron]

It’s the “hope there’s no ramps or ledges or else I am gonna meet god emperor”

[tight latch]

I had that happen in a game not too long ago

[jovial heron]

Now that it instantly kills on any shot? Fuck yeah

[tight latch]

Had some looney tunes ass moment where I even looked down to find out there was no ground

[stray mulch]

things you can climb on = extra mobility, slopes = extra mobility, ledges = extra mobility

but these are all also death traps

[jovial heron]

High risk high reward = scum

[tight latch]

I found out

Easily top 3 class for me though

Maybe even 2

[stray mulch]

oh is this so? I realized i was still getting kills form hitting legs and arms

[jovial heron]

Yeah in most recent patch

[stray mulch]

sick

[jovial heron]

I assumed they just decided that if grenade was gonna be so good rock should get some love

[stray mulch]

the patch that happened before yesterday right?

or the most recent*

[jovial heron]

No the one tha buffed gunlugger etc

Scum buff

[stray mulch]

aaah so on the 17th

[jovial heron]

The big one expeditions

[stray mulch]

much love to rock

[jovial heron]

It’s a good rock

[stray mulch]

ngl, i'll probably never use the upgrade now

[jovial heron]

Hahaha

[stray mulch]

just throw and forget XD

[zenith fern]

My man is not even high risk, it just low risk boring reward

[lost ravine]

yes i am not a big fan of scum after the last update

it's just too much

rather than "boo hoo pickpocket nerf"

want ranged? play desp

shank an elite once a minute

pew pew

[zenith fern]

See that how FS never made much rework and massive buffs to arby because is such an easy class to play, scum was hard at launch, people complain and now made him too easy

[reef spoke]

the dog going from literally soloing Havoc missions to "CC machine" :c

[lost ravine]

the dog still does plenty of damage

(if specced into)

[reef spoke]

I wasn't exaggerating

it could solo Havoc missions

now it certainly can't :c

[mighty belfry]

You mean the bleed bug?

[reef spoke]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

I don't think that ever needs to come back.

[reef spoke]

I think it should because I play arbites

[lost ravine]

if it comes back it'll be listed in the patch notes as "fixed an issue where players were picking classes other than rbites"

[steel atlas]

is crowbar good enough after buff?

[lost ravine]

any weapon is ok with rampage

crowbar is alright as an anti-armor sidearm too

[stray mulch]

crowbar might be the worst weapon in the game, but i wouldn't call it unsueable

have fun with it if you like it

[lost ravine]

lol

[stray mulch]

im not serious

i just dislike it

[spice cloud]

Shockmaul prolly worse

Not sure tho

[lost ravine]

wild statement when dclaw and hsword exist

and shock maul too

and chainsword

[spice cloud]

Mah chainsword is ok

[stray mulch]

chainsword i actually more useable

[spice cloud]

Leave ma baby alone

[stray mulch]

lmao

[lost ravine]

but i am a chainsword hater

[compact oyster]

yeah no

[spice cloud]

Chainsword actually busted with rampage

[compact oyster]

crowbar has good anti armor damage

[spice cloud]

Try it be converted

[low harbor]

crowbar is at least 1 tier above chainsword

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[stray mulch]

fr

[lost ravine]

not only does it look weird, it's also noisy and doesn't do enough damage on activations to really make you want to use it

[mighty belfry]

I like heavy sword 😢

[compact oyster]

i use crowbar on melee scum and i think it feels good

[stray mulch]

it feels good because melee scum makes anything feel good

change my mind

[spice cloud]

No its true

[mighty belfry]

Bonesaw tbh

[lost ravine]

should give thammer to hive scum

[bronze glade]

i won't cuz it's the truth

[mighty belfry]

Feels weird on melee scum

[lost ravine]

and boom it still sucks

[zenith fern]

and nobody mentions chainaxe

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/batman-family-guy-stop-RXKCMLmch5W2Q

[lost ravine]

chainaxe is a slightly less sucky chainsword (that looks even weirder)

[stray mulch]

oh no

i dont like chaxe

but i can't agree with that one

[lost ravine]

nor do i but i would take it over chainsword

[jovial heron]

Kat only likes two handed greatswords and mauls

[lost ravine]

mauls?

when did i say that

[jovial heron]

Big Hammer

[spice cloud]

What about brick?

[lost ravine]

yeah that was on the topic of "melee scum makes any weapon feel good"

more of a challenge than an endorsement of the weapon

[stray mulch]

i think melee scum with thammer would actually be rad

🙂

[lost ravine]

the last time i was excited to use thammer was before darktide release

[stray mulch]

i was excited for it on release

[bronze glade]

hey chaxe is actually good

[stray mulch]

then it was downhill from there

thammer should be in the game if its gunna suck the way it does

[bronze glade]

mk xii is nearly rashad level

[stray mulch]

give thammer the bolter glow up it deserves

[spice cloud]

Does chainaxe still have that weird cleave cap tho?

[lost ravine]

thammer makes me mad because of the damage distribution

and because they gave it great hammer moveset instead of holy great hammer moveset

[bronze glade]

it was removed on the mkxii horde clear lights

idr about the mk iv

[stray mulch]

makes me mad because it was one of the weapons that got me into wh40k and it feels like nothing of what ive read

[spice cloud]

Ok nice

I think thats the one i use

[stray mulch]

if i dink a guy in the head with lightning from the gods, HE SHOULD FRY IN HIS SUIT OF ARMOUR

instead he giggles then overheads me

[low harbor]

chainsword could be good if activated heavy did twice its current carapace & unyielding damage, and using special activated attacks also caused stagger explosion around the player to knock nearby enemies away

[spice cloud]

True thammer special should allways oneshot a crusher

If eviscerator can do it so should thammer

[stray mulch]

nah one shot aint enough, it needs a stagger aoe too

ngl

[spice cloud]

Then it would need a cooldown tho

Like paul

And that would be poopoo imo

[trim wind]

Thammer does one shot crushers

(Crucis only)

[spice cloud]

It does but not allways

[stray mulch]

^

And there is a set up needed too

not just moving straight into the special

[spice cloud]

it needs fotf or stealth right?

[trim wind]

No

[spice cloud]

A normal heavy wont do

Maybe im wrong

[stray mulch]

stealth or dash is fine, the stealth is more damage but i dont like shroudfield

i dont remember what the last time was when i tried thammer in havoc

but it was NOT fun

[trim wind]

a special heavy will do it

with a few buffs up

if you're on ironhelm though you need the extra sauce

[low harbor]

u can get heavy 1 tap on auric crushers with martyr 4 stack + sustained fire + + around 60% extra strength + carapace dmg perk

havoc needs ability use tho

9750 carapace is just a lot for 1 hit

TH is however really safe vs crushers because activated atks stagger them for quite a while

[bronze glade]

give thammer kill override against crushers on heavies 🙂‍↕️

[low harbor]

what TH struggles most is mixed horde

because it's not actually that good at stagger

quite funny ik

[stray mulch]

if you are on iron helm, make the decision to not be on ironhelm

[spice cloud]

I see i dont play much martyrdom

[stray mulch]

its my perfered way to use thammer

they die or i die

guess which happens more often?

[low harbor]

martyr is a lot better than before

[spice cloud]

I honestly just dont like thammer

I tried the new marty yeah

[low harbor]

TH is like 4 major buffs away from being good

[spice cloud]

Its kinda fun

[stray mulch]

cool concept ported into game kinda poorly

[low harbor]

1.11 buffing maniac ADM is actually pretty solid

but TH still ass vs maniac mixed horde lol

[stray mulch]

i think similar of psykers, but if they are lower level psykers, this is fine

which i think they are

[spice cloud]

If it had something like power cycler i would like it more

Or just make it like relic

[low harbor]

self stun 3 times in a row lmao

[spice cloud]

The activation is just a lil tedious imo

[stray mulch]

i think the activation shouldnt have the animation

should just be like flicking a switch and having the hammer charge it self over time

[spice cloud]

Yeah that would have to change of course

Like after relic blade came out i hated using the normal Power sword

[stray mulch]

.>

[spice cloud]

Cause relic just feels so much better

Thats ehy i like the falchion even tho its kinda mid

[low harbor]

relic blade is at least 1 tier below power sword still

falchion gets nothing right unfortunately

[zenith fern]

this path annoys me so much

I dont wanna take Tis but a scratch so I can use Nimble

[lost ravine]

why would you not take tis but a scratch

regained posture and slippery both kind of suck

[zenith fern]

No need to if i keep dodging and sliding

[lost ravine]

and there is need for the others?

[zenith fern]

I like regained posture so I can keep up max stamina stacks for Swift endurance

[jovial heron]

well fuck @low harbor is right about tac axe

[unreal stirrup]

are you sure this isn't the case of your teammate being lobotomite

[steel atlas]

can I still have infinite desperado?
is there a build for that?

[jovial heron]

pretty sure? 2/3 were good actually. the arbiter clutched once

i was just diving into flak rager and mauler and crusher packs

[zenith fern]

you always could and can

[steel atlas]

sorry I mean a build

how chem dependancy ability cooldown work?
my Desperado has 39 sec
use stim at 4 stack and it does nothing

[stray mulch]

each stak modifys your cooldown when the skill goes on CD at that stack level iirc

so -40% cd [4 stacks] on desperado then the stim makes the remainder go 50% faster [if you built for that]

idk , this is just my assumed math

if i had the numbers i could reverse engineer them easy

[steel atlas]

I dont get about some build

they take Chemical Dependency with all extra node (60 sec from 90s buff per stack)
but also max out stim upgrade,
and ability is not stim supply
how do they manage to get 4 stack?

[stray mulch]

45s x .60 = 27s base from 4 stacks of chem dependency

if 27s goes by 50% faster that's 25% of the cd shaved off

so should be 20.25s under the stim at 50%

assuming

not counting cdr from curios

[zenith fern]

That was a oopsie from the sniper and me lmao

Mf shot the trapper by accident i was aiming and I ended up shooting the DH right behind her

[steel atlas]

but from what i saw build on webside, they all max stim (75s)
not sure why but multiple build do that
am i missing something?

[stray mulch]

with 12% cdr on curios i thin its should be 16.2s CD

[stray mulch]

oh

i think i idid the thing where i didnt fully read again

you want the stimm to cooldown specifically?

that just requires kills, and im not bout to do the math on all that

more kills faster cd

[steel atlas]

no i want ability cooldown

but this is different topic

[stray mulch]

they max the stim out because you can easily reduce it's cooldown in higher difficulties

if you get the kills

sample collector

[unreal stirrup]

pocket toxin blinder

[steel atlas]

it's just that i saw multiple build that has max stim, but also take node that reduce chem depend to 60 sec
and I just want to know why

[stray mulch]

^

[unreal stirrup]

that only on crate build

since you can double crate

[stray mulch]

because you can easily get the stim back before 60s

even outside of crate build

[unreal stirrup]

no lmao you can't

because there minimum 90s between stim maxed

[steel atlas]

oh i see, sample collector

[unreal stirrup]

crate make stim instantly regenerate

[stray mulch]

im talking about using the skill then using the stim, when the stim is off cd you only need 10 kills to shave off 7.5 seconds

you can actually get the stim back before 60s

looping your stims is literally based on how efficently you can rack up kills

and it's double if you are killing enemies with poison

[unreal stirrup]

except stim cannot regenerate during activation

so you have to get stim back in 45s somehow

[stray mulch]

AFTER the 15s YOU HAVE 45s to lose the stack

[unreal stirrup]

blinder can regenerate but it isn't infinite

[stray mulch]

you can clear that if you can kill efficiently enough

45s remaining till stack falls off, stim on 75s, i can run the numbers for the kills you need per second to beat the stack falling off

[steel atlas]

any good range weapon spamming build?

[low harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

[low harbor]

this is inaccurate
chem dependency is a form of CD rate (except it doesn't get called during ability)

at 3 stacks, this is +30% CD rate
so a 30s CD ability would have 30/(1+0.3) which is approx 23.08s

if u have 3x curio cooldown perks, this would be (30*0.88)/(1+0.3) which is approx 20.31s

u can use this formula

[stray mulch]

eeeh actually i think i have to check something in game imma need that cd mod

[steel atlas]

I was hoping something like Psyker cd reduce, but I guess that's too much

[stray mulch]

yeah i dont think they changed the math in game

[steel atlas]

I want something that can active infinitely like Psyker Scrier gaze

[stray mulch]

so any cooldown should be the original CD - CD x(the percent of cdr)

if im using the formula community has been posting the cd is 21.6 after mod, this is something i can jus check in game for myself

aah good...

[stray mulch]

this is simulating slow kills, but a 75s stim duration you could get it back before losing a stack, probably just not outside of auric or havoc

could easily get faster kills using the stim pistol

could also be that the psykhanium is absolute shit because it makes it hard to see the progress on the stim bar

but it's doable, been using a 75s stim on rampage every now and then [100% the test area being funky] [it really is unlikely to do outside of the higher difficulties]

[rare swan]

What does the purple mode on the bone-saw do differently?

[jovial heron]

Brittleness stacks

[plucky nymph]

dodge distance moment xD

[stray mulch]

PEAK

[heavy compass]

Is it worth it to buy a shirt for a hive scum so i dont have to look so ugly ?

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

deluxe edition is my favorite

[heavy compass]

Would be nice to have havoc armor atleast

[tranquil fjord]

with hive scum's whole retinue i was expecting more cosmetics

or at least more challenge skins

[tranquil fjord]

ig there are only 2 or 3 that dont fit the madmax criteria

[heavy compass]

Yes but thats ugly

Objectively

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pocket-sand-dale-gribble-king-of-the-hill-gif-16624323921082475194

[arctic imp]

Has anyone encountered a weird sort of delay when trying to switch from needle pistol to your melee? Sometimes it doesn’t even get put away when I try to switch off.

I think it has something to do with when i’m aiming down sights, but I’ve never had that problem on vet or arbites

[subtle yacht]

Heya ! Can anyone please explain how "A Tertium Welcome" works? What constitutes a "First Enemy?"

[spice cloud]

The first enemy hit by your sttack

If u cleave thru 3 enemys it will only count on the first

[bronze glade]

though damage to first enemy also impacts your damage to subsequent enemies

hit in the same attack

[subtle yacht]

Ok so how does this counter reset? Everytime I hit a new enemy that I've not hit before?

[spice cloud]

Every swing i think

[bronze glade]

yup

[spice cloud]

Like every attack idk hoe to say it

[bronze glade]

damage boost applies to the first enemy hit on each swing

[subtle yacht]

Hmmm, so based on this information, Quick & Deadly is better than A Tertium Welcome, no?

[low harbor]

depends

ATW is generally just strong

[bronze glade]

you have to look at the proc condition

ATW gives you a damage boost just for existing

[low harbor]

Q&D if u have really good dodge uptime is good too

[bronze glade]

quick and deadly requires a successful dodge

a lot of dodge-based talents also have pretty mid uptime

and quick and deadly has a very short duration

[subtle yacht]

You are correct. Ty people. I do have a build though which Id love to show u guys if u dont mind? I've spent 30min making & then tweaking it.

[bronze glade]

which just doesn't help

yeah feel free to post it here

[subtle yacht]

Any opinions on this? Thank you 🙂

The Stimm Lab

[bronze glade]

what weps?

[subtle yacht]

Shivs
Perks: Flak + Cara
Blessings: Precog + Uncanny Strike

Needle Pistol
Perks: Reload Speed + Unyielding
Blessings: Run n Gun + Stripped Down

Curios
Perks: 3x 5% Toughness, 3x 12% Revive Ally, 2x Gunner Resist, 1x Stamina Regen
Blessings: 3x 17% Toughness

[bronze glade]

tbh the build looks good, the only thing i'd suggest is dropping this talent

it's not very good

and moving it to hypercrit

[subtle yacht]

Also, can a case be made for Hyper Violence & Hyper Critical to be used simultaneously after the latest patch?

[dense hollow]

yeah you can use them

virulent strain is probably not that good if you're using shivs

you can swap it out for another survivability talent like nimble

[bronze glade]

yeah virulent strain can prob go

[subtle yacht]

What about Pickpocket ?

[bronze glade]

pickpocket is a good pick if you use needler a lot

[subtle yacht]

Btw I used Alley Rat & I was flying off edges into the abyss xD 1km dodge distance lol

[dense hollow]

pickpocket is good but realistically you should probably have nimble on all hive scum builds unless you care that much for muscle memory on other classes

makes you practically untouchable

especially combined with jittery

[subtle yacht]

I made this build too. Everything above these nodes is the same as in my build mentioned above.

[subtle yacht]

Should I remove Channelled Devastation in my 2nd build & swap it for Jittery?

[dense hollow]

i'd remove battering momentum because you already have a lot of extra cleave

[spice cloud]

Take the thing that pushes enemys away on hit

Dont sleep on it

[dense hollow]

street tough pushes dogs away as well

[spice cloud]

It will even save u from dogs

[spice cloud]

Why not i allways use it with my crate build

[bronze glade]

it really reduces your flexibility for using stimms

and the upgrade itself is very minor

[spice cloud]

But if u pick all 3 u get an extra 5% dr crit and cdr

That aint worth it?

[low harbor]

yea it's always been good

[subtle yacht]

Question: What if I use Quick & Deadly & A Tertium Welcome? Will I get the damage boost from both talent nodes?

[subtle yacht]

Question 2: Nimble or Street Tough here?

[spice cloud]

Both

[subtle yacht]

Hmmm, then what do I get rid of? Let me see.....

[spice cloud]

Maybe one of the rampage subnodes

But street tough is more valuable if u had to pick one

Imo

U could prolly do without nimble

But i like it

So guys is 4 stacks of chem dep just not worth it?

Is that everyones opinion?

[low harbor]

yea obviously

[low harbor]

no ofc
but it is not worth lol

[subtle yacht]

What node can I get rid of in this build to use Street Tough?

[spice cloud]

Why not?

[low harbor]

it's not worth 1 point

[spice cloud]

[low harbor]

compared to the myriad of other better things u could be getting

[subtle yacht]

Hmmmm

[spice cloud]

Oh well

Thats sad

[verbal dew]

• that I have to limit my stimm to be able to have good upkeep

[spice cloud]

I just spammed the crate tbh

Get it every 35 s

[subtle yacht]

So ur saying that a build using the Adrenaline Frenzy keystone is best for Hive Scum right now?

[spice cloud]

With max stimm

I agree its harder to keep it at 4 stacks

[low harbor]

I didn't say that