hivescum-class

[near relic]

I say semi-duo because me and bruh moment had 3 deaths, and our teammates had 20.

Adrenaline felt like it was pretty consistently up, but I was also just throwing myself into every enemy I saw

Uptime mod is turned off for performance reasons atm

[flat mist]

Was about to ask haha

[near relic]

It costs like 10-20 fps for me to use it

I think the on-kill node is good, and I would like to take it. But there's nothing I want to drop in exchange. Hard choices

[flat mist]

Id say your last/weakest talent is welcome to tertium

[near relic]

This is my melee + crate build, with 2 or 3 points in the toughness stimm

[near relic]

It helps with booping elites

[flat mist]

I like crate with max CDR + strength stim and maxed out chems

[near relic]

I'm using it for blight havoc

Need low CD

[jovial heron]

Actually with devastated channeling not calculating correctly….

[flat mist]

Which talent is that again

[jovial heron]

Has synergy into hyper violence

[near relic]

Crit chance = damage

It has some weirdness

[jovial heron]

It’s currently kind of broken

[flat mist]

Yeah, fair. Maxed CDR supply ends up having quite good uptime if you abuse the supply without stimm buf

[near relic]

"In regard to the sources of crit chance that are picked up by the talent, there is inconsistent behavior: properly accounts for crit chance granted by Hive Scum's base template, by weapon perks, and by weapons' handling templates; crit chance granted by weapon blessings is properly accounted for but not once changes have been made to the loadout in the Psykhanium; crit chance granted by talents and Cartel Special Stimm is not accounted for (except for Float Like a Butterfly)."

[jovial heron]

Yep

[near relic]

It makes blight a bearable modifier

[jovial heron]

Ugh

[flat mist]

Honestly this seems fine for six's build because you have 22.5% crit at base with shivs

[jovial heron]

Yeah not saying it’s bad just saying that 11.25% is lower than 15%

[near relic]

• Riposte

[flat mist]

Yeah fair, riposte/float makes up for that a fair bit though

Would average 13% atleast

[near relic]

This build works quite well so far

[flat mist]

~60% uptime on riposte is pretty normal

[jovial heron]

Yeah I run very similar but I grabbed kill stacking on adrenaline and I also grabbed the toughness regen sub node

I figure that it lasting 20 sec isn’t an issue cause I can stack it so fast

Two elite kills or 6 chaff

[near relic]

This is fair

On kill and 10s duration is worse for bosses tho

[jovial heron]

Definitely but I have toxin for that

[near relic]

I toss a few needles on them then go melee

[jovial heron]

Same

[near relic]

Tox on crit and throwing knives keeps the stacks high

[jovial heron]

I also have strength branch on my stimm so I can pop that

[near relic]

Throwing knives on shivs are ridiculous

[jovial heron]

I need to get better at using them

Like remembering they are there

[near relic]

It takes practice

But a single shiv kills most specials on H40

[jovial heron]

I am accurate I just forget I have them

[flat mist]

Doing this to a DH and then popping rampage for forges bellow just as it starts attacking is so fun

[jovial heron]

Ohhhhh that’s a good use of that

[near relic]

I swapped Bellow for Street Tough

No regrets

[jovial heron]

Agreed

[main wagon]

(It bugged we didn't actually have this many deaths lmao)

[near relic]

We actually had 27 deaths D:

[main wagon]

Little sad there's only one single respawn point

Sometimes you're close enough to grab the homies and other times it's like "eeeehhhhh this is really out of the way but...kinda want to get that person back in the game"

[near relic]

It is an odd design choice

[stray mulch]

stop editing the numbers to be higher

no way ppl die that much

i refuse to believe

[zenith fern]

this expeditions we talking about

[stray mulch]

i still havent seen more than like 5 deaths

even in auric

you die a few times and win, or you just die and lose XD

38 deaths is dedication

[main wagon]

Deadside is a place of many bugs

[reef spoke]

you would be surprised

the Darktide team themselves released stats for Darktide a long time ago

and the top deaths was like 50+ lol

also interestingly Maulers were the top player killer. I wonder if that's still accurate

[flat mist]

I can see why they might be higher than crushers - harder to see and dont get focused as hard

I wonder how they counted deaths when trapped though

[reef spoke]

it was also like 2 years ago so the meta was WILDLY different back then

[main wagon]

Also Ogryns can survive a one shot from crushers but not maulers

[flat mist]

Wtf

Why

On psyker i can survive mauler overheads but not crushers

[main wagon]

Hilarious to see them shrug off another ogryn swinging rebar at them but then a dude in a welding mask just bonks them

[stray mulch]

sure this is factual? could have sworn both were coded to be knocks unless you have gold toughness

as in they don't care about toughness or dr

when the game had a tutorial that was a defining feature they mentioned about overheads too

[reef spoke]

na you can survive them it's just A LOT of damage

Arbites can actually survive a direct hit them too

like snipers do 1000 toughness damage

so if you can somehow reduce that, you can facetank them

[stray mulch]

i need a clip

[near relic]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3568035743

[reef spoke]

misremembered, it was snipers

[stray mulch]

yeah

overheads are designed to be one shots unless you have gold toughness

[reef spoke]

no?

[stray mulch]

i would NEED a clip to see otherwise

[near relic]

I just linked it.

Crusher overhead is 416 damage and a 2x toughness modifier

[reef spoke]

it's not some big secret that those are survivable

and no I'm not using True Grit

[near relic]

Which also has health spillover

[stray mulch]

this link is just the base hps and hitzones no?

[near relic]

No.

[stray mulch]

k lemme see if i can find it on page

[near relic]

It has damage

[stray mulch]

yes it has damage, because the spill over goes through gold toughness

[near relic]

Mauler overhead is 300 w/ 2x toughness damage and melee spillover

[stray mulch]

but outside of gold toughness ive never seen a soul survive and overhead

[near relic]

Spillover does not go through yellow toughness

[stray mulch]

if you have a mod

[reef spoke]

that's just wrong though?

[stray mulch]

plz

just show me you sirviving an overhead

[near relic]

An Ogryn can easily survive it.

[stray mulch]

saying vs showing

[reef spoke]

I never recorded because it's just a normal thing to survive lol

like it's not a big deal

[near relic]

Even in H40 oggies survive overheads

[stray mulch]

i just need to see it, i know some of tall got modes

[reef spoke]

just play an Arbites and facetank a hit

[stray mulch]

arbites has a specific skil that stops that

that's different

[reef spoke]

I already said I don't use True Grit

[stray mulch]

again, with all the sharing we do here, you can understand why a clip would be beneficial

[near relic]

Overheads are literally not coded as an instakill.

[stray mulch]

there is none in the link

[reef spoke]

yeah but I don't record

so good luck with that

[near relic]

The link is to Kuli's guide.

Kuli is law

[reef spoke]

I'm not making some outlandish claim anyways so I don't really care to prove it

[stray mulch]

that's fine, but saying something bs proving it is diff

im too used to ppl saying stuff that isnt true

[reef spoke]

it's literally just "they don't do enough damage to one tap me"

[stray mulch]

even if its multiple

it's happened enough on the server for me to have to ask

[reef spoke]

then test yourself. I already know it's true

I don't care enough to prove it anyways

[stray mulch]

i can reenable mods, what were you using to survive it?

[zenith fern]

tell that to H40 crushers

[reef spoke]

216 toughness, Hold the Line, Imposing Force, MAYBE Canine Morale but I can survive it without that

no hp curio

[near relic]

They are bullies

[reef spoke]

I wonder if Ogryn can facetank crushers with toughness now with the 50% DR when dodging

[stray mulch]

hmm 4 back to back crashes

mod updates needed?

[near relic]

H40 crushers do 50% increased damage (all melee enemies do) and 30% corruption damage

[near relic]

Yes

We did an all-Ogryn H36 or something

[reef spoke]

lol

amazing

[near relic]

Can survive so much nonsense. Even blight spreads damage is halved

[reef spoke]

yeah, wild that it's just flat DR

[near relic]

I'm happy about it

I don't play Ogryn often, but I want there to be more Oggy players

[reef spoke]

I really need to try a shooty ogryn one day

[near relic]

So they can protect me

[reef spoke]

lol yeah, I always feel I can trust an ogryn plater to not die

[flat mist]

i get that, ive believed bullshit and accidentally spread bullshit. but as six said, kuli is law.

[random shuttle]

That new Dr on dodge also cancels bursters

[flat mist]

you can rely on his content

[random shuttle]

Which is nice

[reef spoke]

amazing, I didn't really like playing ogryn previously as I felt it was too vulnerable to shooters

now they got 50% DR when dodging, surely my skill issue can be covered by that UwU

[random shuttle]

Oggy stronk as always

[stray mulch]

ill take it with a grain of salt for now. Mostly because i cant test it

idk if you remember the last few times ive been back in the discord

ppl say too much without proving

Disagreements aside, ppl on the server get really bothered by others not believing them, and I always try to say that just saying something doesn't help as much as actually showing something. Especially when some can go out of their way to show other content

[near relic]

You can always trust Kuli. You can always trust Path on things that aren't based in opinion. You can usually trust me. You can always trust Syllogism. People who read the code for fun, like us weirdos, are generally trustworthy.

Generally.

Kuli is the best of us by a wide margin, tho

[random shuttle]

Yeah Kuli has like 99% factuality factor

There is always small possibility of error

[reef spoke]

for me, an overhead is something I can survive with a lot of hp left

[random shuttle]

But it's small.

[reef spoke]

so I just don't really feel the need to prove it as it's not an unusual sight

[stray mulch]

at least there is a link for reference, which is nice

[flat mist]

fair enough, always good to reserve complete faith

[stray mulch]

is creature spawner also just not working atm?

[flat mist]

hot take but i actually really like that i get to take long lasting stimms now.

always felt like i stimmed and then it was almost dropping off straight away

20s feels way better

[stray mulch]

i'll apologize. I meant no ill will, the burn out from the community ive gained from over the years makes me have to question many things posted

[reef spoke]

na it's ok. Just explaining why I don't want to prove my claim

[flat mist]

dude dont sweat it, no ones judging

[reef spoke]

I like it for my ranged build as it bumps me so where my stim runs out where my cooldown for desperado comes back

[ashen osprey]

You guys were right they complained about the pickpocket nerf

[reef spoke]

it happened when they touched power sword and plasma

[zenith fern]

How about you start picking on some girls

[ashen osprey]

Where do these people come from

[reef spoke]

it'll definitely happen if they touch pickpocket :p

[reef spoke]

brb shooting a daemonhost

[ashen osprey]

That’s mean
And I’d rather they pick on me first

[zenith fern]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HC9JoKoboAA54dA.gif

[ashen osprey]

They did, under the BtH patch notes and hotfix

[zenith fern]

this folk does not know

[ashen osprey]

I do not understand how these people function
How do they have the mental capacity to feed themselves much less read and write

[stray mulch]

ppl who cried about power sword were dumb imo

im probably one of the biggest P.sword enjoyers and i think it needed the slap it got

[ashen osprey]

I never understood what the power sword was good for
It always felt worse than most of psyker’s melees

[reef spoke]

it needs no investment for extreme output

so you can focus all your points on ranged damage or survival

[stray mulch]

well before crushers got their hp buff it bispatched them in an instant

[compact oyster]

chinese players already started reviewbombing

[ashen osprey]

O h.

[reef spoke]

they should buff it UwU

[stray mulch]

now it can still do that but with much effort

[reef spoke]

it went from 2 hit kill to 3 😔

[ashen osprey]

Truly the weapon is totally worthless now and veteran is unplayable above malice

[stray mulch]

#hivescum-class message

[ashen osprey]

Because something something “illusion of choice” and “viable options”

[reef spoke]

it should show how stupid the damage output is when the 50% hp increase only bumped it to a 3 hit kill lol

[stray mulch]

what i did there was possible with no effort at all before

[ashen osprey]

Holy shit
I feel slightly better that I only ever took P.Sword for its crowd control qualities and not… This

[reef spoke]

yeah it used to be able to 1-tap them with a very stupid build

[stray mulch]

it also is good into hordes

[compact oyster]

og powersword had 5 charges

[stray mulch]

nah you only needed a few nodes

[compact oyster]

this was as expected very dumb

[stray mulch]

i used to post themin vet chat

[reef spoke]

hell yeah even better

[near relic]

Reddit, steam forums, and DT forums believe Scum is ruined because pickpocket got a super gentle nerf. Ignoring the fact that every other change was a massive buff.

People are dumb.

[stray mulch]

its the reason why i would constantly say sunder>brumentum

you NEVER needed brutalmomentum

[ashen osprey]

I thought it was just the Helldivers community that whined like this about nerfs

[stray mulch]

until after the crusher update imo

[reef spoke]

also the push attack has enough reach to get past Bulwark shields lmao

so it's a melee weapon that can kill bulwarks from the front lol

[near relic]

I've been enjoying the stupid drama

[stray mulch]

i might never had known this i think

[reef spoke]

you have to facehug it

[stray mulch]

i always avoid the shields and kill them from the side lmao

[reef spoke]

it's doable but not something you should try in big groups

[ashen osprey]

Fucking- Which one? The doxxing or the 86,000th “arrowhead bad” YouTube video

[reef spoke]

but it'll let you 1-tap them from the front when you can't bother

[compact oyster]

the funniest was the super earth invasion

[stray mulch]

the clip is from current patch too, old p.sword i think was hands down the strongest melee in the game and it wasnt even close

[ashen osprey]

Didn’t dueling sword take its place?

[reef spoke]

for raw damage, it's funny that it still is

[reef spoke]

no

power sword is basically better

[stray mulch]

dueling sword only mattered after the changes

if you used psword, you didnt care about dueling sword

problem with p.sword is that you are basically playing a fighting game

because it relys on techs

guard cancling the power up especially

[reef spoke]

also the fact that mk6 is just strictly better

mk3 power sword got ignored :c

[stray mulch]

^

you had everything on the mk3

especially with sunder

easy crusher kills, horde clear and great boss damage via heavy spam

iirc the blocking on it also made it good at tanking hits too

[reef spoke]

ironically, power sword actually has a "relatively" high skill ceiling

as its mobility means you need to be good at controling groups to use it well

[stray mulch]

yeah, or at least know how to quick cancle into sweeps

with sunder you can just stagger groups entirely

or use to

[near relic]

Not doxxing. Doxxing actually hurts people. I enjoy the petty and meaningless whining about game mechanics by people who don't understand and often end up telling on themselves with their terrible takes

[reef spoke]

REAL helldivers use tesla weapons UwU

[stray mulch]

HD2?

yeah!

i think the community criers have SOME valid complaints but most of it is garbage

[ashen osprey]

I gravitate towards using my ranged weapons for heavy deleters and my melees for crowd control, just in general
I love the boltgun and I ADORE the force greatsword, psyker is my favorite class specifically because of FGS and assail

[stray mulch]

space magic talks are funny

the guy losing his job made me not want to return to the game

[near relic]

Here's some dumb DT whining from reddit:

"Why nerf Pickpocket so it only works on Hive Scum's melee specifically, but will not work if poison inflicted by my melee kills the enemy, on the only class who can poison enemies, which have melee weapons and skills specifically for poisoning enemies?

Why replace the most notable feature of Hive Scum with a half-baked idea of making them a dodge tank while only adding a single mutually exclusive skill to play into said half-baked identity?

Why did we prioritize nerfing Hive Scum in general instead of fixing the more prevalent flaws, like being unable to grab a stimm if I have a custom stimm, or my stimm not having a cooldown until after it expires so I need to avoid the mandatory node that extends stimm duration?"

[stray mulch]

don;t like how things were handled community side

[reef spoke]

if you use power sword, you have a weapon that's a heavy deleter AND crowd control UwU

[ashen osprey]

I will never pass up the opportunity to share this absolute gem for Helldivers

[reef spoke]

"erm give it health bars"

[ashen osprey]

You know what the gaming industry needs? MORE heathbar PvE games

Complex armor allowing for fun weapon combinations and creative techniques against enemies? Nahhhh, just do the same shit we’ve been doing for 30 fucking years

[stray mulch]

no

i need games to stop holding the hands of players

also screen clutter makes new games annoying to look at

too much visual noise

[ashen osprey]

The visual noise is what gets kids to download it!
Look at all the pretty colors! Don’t you wanna make pretty colors? Don’t you? Here, have a giant gorilla that screams at people and makes pretty blue lightning

[reef spoke]

I do find it funny because I used to play Men at War and their future games added health bars instead of armor and module based damage

I don't play Men at War anymore

[stray mulch]

This generation is doomed as is. Cant asnwer simple questions without consulting google ai or grok

ofc they need their hands held

no critical thinking for the future moving onwards for them

[reef spoke]

I'm just happy stuff like Menace are still being made

[ashen osprey]

It’s by design but that’s a conversation we can’t really get into here

[stray mulch]

i used to love things like monster hunter and the likes

but even in that community the audience is ruining the franchise

[reef spoke]

the handheld 20mm autocannon

[ashen osprey]

I was so excited for helldiver’s armor system and now it’s almost removed entirely
AT weapons serve so little purpose aside from “I don’t want to think about this thing anymore”

[stray mulch]

goofy af

[ashen osprey]

Ooo this looks cool
I should give that game a look
Damn the Lahti is such an awesome gun

[reef spoke]

lore-wise, this specific char is SO jacked he can carry squad heavy weapons by himself

[stray mulch]

tf

super soldier?

[reef spoke]

no, he's just REALLY buff

I'm not joking

he can handcarry and fire ATGMs and miniguns

[stray mulch]

bruh

[ashen osprey]

Bro doesn’t need tank armor to be bulletproof

[reef spoke]

I like it a lot. The tactical side is lighter but the sci-fi gear means there's interesting systems like the use of orbitally dropped turrets to create safe zones etc

[reef spoke]

I love him

[ashen osprey]

Which game should I start with?

[stray mulch]

it's an rts?

[reef spoke]

"Vehicle-mounted Direct Energy AT"

Tanks a direct hit lmao

[stray mulch]

oh wait no its that newer turnbased game

okay i didnt know the name until i read your message earlier

[reef spoke]

It's just called Menace. There's only one

[stray mulch]

MENACE

[ashen osprey]

Oooh okay

[stray mulch]

it fully released?

[ashen osprey]

What luck it’s on sale

[reef spoke]

no, early access atm

also Menace has the funniest whiplash between Trailer and Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIUtj5qvMG4

[stray mulch]

need something to hold me over until the next total war game

[reef spoke]

this hype as fuck trailer and then it's a turn-based strategy game lmao

[ashen osprey]

Oh yeah another gem from the Helldivers community
(It was never an AT check. You had other options, AT was just the best at it.)

[stray mulch]

im not the biggest 40k fan, but if its anything like or better than the wh40k fantasy total wars ill be happy

[ashen osprey]

Of the chess variety or the XCOM variety

[reef spoke]

It's more jagged alliance imo

you command elite Squad Leaders with limited supply and deploy them to complete objectives for rewards on the campaign map

[stray mulch]

my bad i was just expressing i need another strategy game to fill a void

it's my favourite genre

[reef spoke]

ah ok, just didn't want to give you the wrong idea

[stray mulch]

Played rogue trader on max diff and beat it in like 4 days. Got completely absorbed in it

[reef spoke]

XCOM

[ashen osprey]

Oh dear

[reef spoke]

if you've played Wasteland, you can get the idea of combat

[stray mulch]

XCOM is rough bro

still have not cleared a run

[reef spoke]

instead of 1 check. Your squads typically fire salvos to compensate

like the HMG fires 10 rounds of 25 damage

so you CAN whiff shots but you likely will land a few

[stray mulch]

oh so no fireemblem ass 92% misses 3 times back to back like in XCOM?

[livid raven]

rogue trader stops being any similar to xcom after like lv4 tho

[reef spoke]

technically that happens, but you compensate by firing as a squad

so your attack is actually 2 shots x (your squad size)

[stray mulch]

maybe i played bad, but on max diff, you dont really have much power till like lvl 10

[reef spoke]

so my DMR team fires 2 rounds x 8 rifles basically

[livid raven]

not even about power, more like

cover, hit chance and all that stops mattering and you press abilities

[reef spoke]

also you don't NEED to hit the enemy, the game reflects fragmentation

[stray mulch]

XCOM 2 is like that imo

[reef spoke]

"this crust will be their tomb" -most friendly Squad Leader

[livid raven]

xcom 2's abilities are much lower in power and buffs

like

run and gun is one of the best abilities

and it's just running and gunning

[stray mulch]

yeah!

[reef spoke]

XCOM is actually a lesson in Mechanized Warfare

you rush SHIVs -> you win

[stray mulch]

i did kill the final boss in 2 turns

lmao

[livid raven]

meanwhile rogue trader be like

mhhh yes, now you can take 10 actions

[stray mulch]

run n gun is absurd

soldier bountyhunter op

[reef spoke]

I prefer the "my face is my shield"

also the Lobotomy build

[stray mulch]

bro

how do you get that high before killing everything?

[livid raven]

a shame they nerfed Cassia so hard so she can't clear the field in one huge aoe attack she can use 3 times in a turn

[reef spoke]

This is a very FUNNY ability

[livid raven]

pretty sure it got nerfed heavily

[reef spoke]

this meme is still accurate

[livid raven]

can't even use it on herself now

[stray mulch]

i know the ability but i pump that into the sister of battle

and then the fight is over

[reef spoke]

yeah, she can't cast it on herself

but just cast it on your RT psyker

[livid raven]

pretty sure they also nerfed the scaling

[stray mulch]

yeah

[reef spoke]

it's more that Cassia is basically all you need

[stray mulch]

the numbers dont go that high from when i started playing

[reef spoke]

they didn't thankfully

[livid raven]

yeah they go to like what

20?

[reef spoke]

actually it's gotten higher

[stray mulch]

highest will ive gotten is like 300 ish

[reef spoke]

the images I posted above aren't impressive anymore

remember they added paid DLC classes

you can imagine the rest

[stray mulch]

aah, never touched those

[reef spoke]

as you might guess they're very "balanced" UwU

[stray mulch]

but i think by lvl 27 you can see something like 170 will base

[livid raven]

they aren't that incredible

[reef spoke]

wah

[livid raven]

they also got nerfed quite a bit

[reef spoke]

they can 1 shot a Lord Destroyer

98% damage resist? na 1-tapped

[stray mulch]

if you are stacking cassi on a will build it can still get pretty high

maybe not 700 tho

but 450+ is still possible on the 1st turn

in the game getting that high is a death sentence for anything in your way though XD. At least in base game

[reef spoke]

tbh, this level of min-max is largely irrelevant anyways

the INSTANT you get Degraded Defenses, you win

no build needed, it's just that good

and everyone can get it 😭

[stray mulch]

soldier only needs a gun, boots and a back pack

fire rate and accuracy

i do forget what Degraded defense does tho, that's the one that increases the damage by Will/Int?

[reef spoke]

basically "every hit makes the target take more damage"

and it's basically exponential damage increase

combo it with the Lobotimizer 9000 or even a sniper

[stray mulch]

oh, the way i played was just using the sister of battle because her scaling on willpower helps with shooting, and such. She alone strips all defense and infinitely scales her own damage. Willpower, Percision and Agi for fire rate, crit and damage.

i dont have it downloaded but you would get her fire rate to sky rocket and could just burst fire for like 10k damage, reload and do it again

not a single boss survived in highest diff XD

i like breaking owlcat games

[flat mist]

Huh. Tank/Barrage doesnt apply to Gloryhunter (which im now seeing is in Kuli's guide - dude doesn't miss a thing)

Would've been kinda cool to restore over 2/3 toughness just by shooting an elite

Guess ill have to settle for 1/2

[lost ravine]

hmm today i will clear out the entire encounter in one turn

• bladedancer class and also yrliet when you first meet her

I HEAR YOU MOVING NO MORE

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah most blessings don't interact with toughness replenishment

Confident strike being the most important

[flat mist]

rip

[zenith pagoda]

If it did, ogryn could replenish like 50% toughness per hit

[flat mist]

nutty

you can restore 75% toughness with one bistol elite kill

kinda funny if not actually good

[zenith pagoda]

I'm just using bistol to increase rocket size, but I'm hoping it increases street tough size too

[flat mist]

interesting

not the easiest thing to test

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah, it would increase to 3.75m

[brazen stirrup]

Whenever i deploy my stim box it instantly crashes my game, anyone else have that happen?

[dire badge]

does anyone know if packmaster boss shows up oin havocs?

Also for weopans whats good against cruhsers regarding ranged weapons? Not the fent gun, im a bit bored of it

[livid raven]

packmaster shows up only in expeditions for now

[spice cloud]

Not yet i think once event is over

[livid raven]

no gun is good against crushers except sneedler

[spice cloud]

Kinda

[muted pivot]

you can kinda make others less shit if you take them with desperado and rending stimm (or at least you could before the patch, I have no idea what's changed)

but they're just less shit, not actually good

[zenith pagoda]

scammer

[torpid cloud]

Am I throwing by not liking to actively swap to my needle pistol for faster running all the time

[torpid cloud]

Can't you just change it

If this is about dockets

[tranquil fjord]

400ps is enough to change the display to +3 stam but it still only gives +2

[torpid cloud]

WHAT

Lmao

Does it need to be 420?

[tranquil fjord]

410+

including 410ps

[torpid cloud]

Good to know

Now I can make sure that the one +3 Stam relic I wanna take is actually +3 stam

Tbh maybe two 3stam relics and one toughness might be better but I'm sloppy

[tranquil fjord]

tbh +9 stam from curios is pretty fun for a melee build

i wasted all of my melk bucks for a shitty gimmick

[tranquil fjord]

youre at least getting +18% melee attack speed

which is getting near zealot of so much attack speed you probably couldnt click fast enough to use it

[unreal stirrup]

helbore moment

[livid raven]

We are talking about scum tho

[unreal stirrup]

3 stam is a meme

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

[unreal stirrup]

you need at least 1 hp to not instantly die to a burster in h40

also +6% attack speed for per curios is uh

not very good

just run 1 3 stam + innate stamina already give you at least +10%

[muted pivot]

I guess bolt pistol is an option for it, the mark 4 at least

But it's still so much worse than just stabbing them in the face

[torpid cloud]

I don't think I'll get into havok

Auric I like

Perfect challenge for me personally

[dire badge]

the packmaster is usper fun to fight, i lvoe his attack patterns

[muted pivot]

Havoc is a social challenge

I don't mind the gameplay bit

But party finding and guilt/shame just kill me

[zenith pagoda]

Lmao street tough is so broken, you can open up a bullwark horde like BTL

[torpid cloud]

I need to learn to not overextend

When I pop rampage I just wanna get in the thick of it

Falling back would be smarter but

Kill

I'm ashamed to admit that I'm also guilty of chasing down trappers for way too long

[tranquil fjord]

does street tough work on blocked attacks?

[flat mist]

Kuli says yes

[tranquil fjord]

ah good

oh they really buffed the spread on the dual pistols

[torpid cloud]

Charge your phone

[manic wolf]

Well, a bit, they dont feel overly different tho the damage bump was nice

[tranquil fjord]

now i can run pinning fire as a damage blessing, which is nice

[zenith pagoda]

I think I might drop alley rat

It send me too far away that I miss my hits lmao

[manic wolf]

Was doing so anyway i'll be honest lol

[unreal stirrup]

i told yall mfs 💀

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/Y8j5dN

ok link actually worked this time

looks like lethal prox does affect street tough

[stray mulch]

sorry, I am having trouble finding the bone saw's base crit

if anyone knows

[stray mulch]

pretty sure its expected or was designed for ranged use, unfortunate though

[vapid jungle]

That is real funny that lethal prox effects street tough

[spice cloud]

I gotta say after playing dual stubs desperado on expeditions i didnt feel the puckpocket change at all

I think i didnt even proc it once

Usually its door or extract before i ever run out

Might just take it off honestly

[manic wolf]

Eww, Desperate-tard-o player

[topaz adder]

[leaden pendant]

i feel like trick shot has extra stagger which would go hard with pinning fire

[manic wolf]

Dont need to use it to benifit, there is usually stuff in the way of the thing you want to shoot and they have decent enough cleave to punch through a couple rotbags

[rotund agate]

trick shot does have extra stagger and can proc pinning fire, but what would really be the point? it stacks slowly like that, and the duration isn't really long enough to have it matter where it could count imo...

[valid token]

Do we or do we not like overdosing on random needles on the ground?

[flat mist]

we do

[manic wolf]

I think they're asking if we like picking up stims rather than using the cartel special

In which case, we do not

[flat mist]

lame

[manic wolf]

Heretic gear is weak sauce and doesnt last long enough

[livid raven]

don't even think about that meme healing stimm crate stuff

[leaden pendant]

Nurgle doesn't support needle exhange tbh

[stray mulch]

bro im so annoyed

[manic wolf]

Well, be less annoyed then

[stray mulch]

nah because why does one work and the other not work?!

tf fat shark

both specify ranged damage but one affect the DoT specifically

[manic wolf]

Welll us the one that works

Not giving us a whole lotta context here

[zenith pagoda]

New debuff to hivescum: HIV

[flat mist]

Are you talking about unload?

[stray mulch]

I showed them in the clips but 'In your face' affects the needle pistol damage on the DoT from primary fire types and as well as the DoT from the alt fire that spreads to enemies.

Unload doesn't affect any part of the DoT

[stray mulch]

Unload vs In your Face

[manic wolf]

If you're gonna unload onto my face, at least buy me a drink first

[leaden pendant]

just doing the fent lean in spawn while the whole team presses on

[stray mulch]

ayo

i was doing a bunch of testing and just noticed this BS tho

its a bit aggrevating

but now when i alt fire into a crowd i can run at them and increase the damage with Run'n Gun + In Your Face

[flat mist]

Working out (and then trying to remember) what talents actually do is part of the fun/hellscape fatshark has provided us

[stray mulch]

back to labbing i go

[stray mulch]

1 sec i got you

in the order i tested them

[flat mist]

TIL that sample collector actually does proc for 2% if toxin is applied but doesnt get the killing blow

Even tho kuli seems to imply that it should only apply if chem tox gets the kill

BUT

I tested in the psykhanium and that isnt reliable

[stray mulch]

it works like the soul flame perks

which is why i felt like they could change some of the mechanics

[flat mist]

Yeah and thats a perfect example bc they behave differently ingame vs psykhanium

[stray mulch]

in the psykhanium it always gives me the cd for killing with the DoT

not sure why it isnt for you

[flat mist]

It does give the cd for me

[stray mulch]

i think i misunderstood somthing

srry

[flat mist]

All g

[stray mulch]

were they implying if you get a kill that wasnt due to the Toxin, you wouldnt get the CDR?

that would be so ass

imo

[flat mist]

Thats what i thought was happening

And its possibly still is what is happening in the live environment

Watch this video

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/0JyNxG

A large % of the time i dont get a souldrinker proc

But it happens every time in the psykhanium

[stray mulch]

oh wtf

soul drink should be procing everytime you kill a dude on fire

lmao

when i use ek i always see it if it's a burning target i kill

it could be that it's happening but not showing all the time

like how blackout actually has a counter in the psyk, but not in mission

if you remember back when we had the buff bar issue

not the arby one but the one before where it wasnt showing the key stone staks on psyker

[flat mist]

Same with calling for a timeout. Shows up in psykh but not live

[stray mulch]

inconsistent af yeah

[flat mist]

I havent confirmed yet if its even doing anything in live

[flat mist]

Yeah i remember

[stray mulch]

idk why my game always crashes when i try to use mod loader

but i might have to get the buff bar mod again

the blackout stacks need to be visable in mission, and i really dont like that they arent

[flat mist]

Ring hud can give you an indicator

[stray mulch]

i'll try downloading again when im done goofing off in the test area XD

[flat mist]

Its not a number tho, just a grenade square that becomes less opaque as you approach 20

[stray mulch]

i'm having fun with this

gunna try to make it work

[stray mulch]

eeew

I need the psykhanium one, it has the number 🙁

[flat mist]

Lmk if you get it working

[stray mulch]

i think im no longer using hyper crit or street tough

fully committing to war crimes and degeneracy

[flat mist]

The +15% damage on dodge node works on chem tox

[stray mulch]

i know

[flat mist]

Cool 🙂

[stray mulch]

i REALLY do not have space for it tho

lmao

[flat mist]

Fair haha

[stray mulch]

trying not to have too much of an ass melee cycle

i dont have any melee damage

XD

also

swapping weapons changes the damage that Toxin does

so i can actually hit a bunch of the horde and slide away while swapping XD

nvm, its my damn perks

or just the weapons adm...

[flat mist]

Nah that isnt a thing

Itll be the weapon perks

@stray mulch i started working on this degeneracy again

I had the idea of rampage + vultures hybrid like week 1 of scum coming out

And its become somewhat less garbage with all these changes lmao

[stray mulch]

has to be, look at the diff numbers and the rolls

nothing for unarmored on either

whenever it loads

[stray mulch]

that for the stubbers?

and melee?

that's a spicy reload add ngl XD

or actually a shotgun could probably abuse that right?

[flat mist]

The video where you hit the crusher?

[flat mist]

Oh this one

[stray mulch]

oh i was talking about something i just noticed, the video took a minute to upload

[flat mist]

Is it In Your Face?

[stray mulch]

couldnt be, I didnt move

lmao

the damage of the DoT changes on the left guy, when i swap weapons

[flat mist]

In your face only affects your dot if you have your ranged weapon out

[stray mulch]

it's consistant

oh

brain rot

big ass brain rot

okay ty

[flat mist]

Its a dumb talent

[stray mulch]

i still had it on

also yeah, that's annoying

[flat mist]

And to answer this i havent decided on a ranged weapon

[stray mulch]

so basically anytime i want to melee im gimping the DoT

[flat mist]

But something that can utilise vultures dodge

[stray mulch]

carapace and unyielding have the same mod for Toxin right?

so the damage would be the same iirc?

[flat mist]

Not sure

I think no

[livid raven]

Yep

[zenith pagoda]

@fluid ether

[stray mulch]

getting upwards of a 1k interval of damage for DoT is hilarious

that was without in your face

im gunna enjoy deleting bosses XD

OH

and that's without the brittleness debuff

this is gunna be fun

[fluid ether]

any explosion

[stray mulch]

doth thee knoweth why unload no work with the Needle Pistol DoT?

if you could take a guess at why if you don't know -- that would also settle my mental on that

[fluid ether]

because it's ranged_damage and not damage_near / damage_far like In Your Face or Quick and Deadly

[stray mulch]

that's how its written when you look at the code im assuming? The ingame description is weird. Thank You

[fluid ether]

I've created guides for a reason

[stray mulch]

Run N' Gun affects the DoT and im trying to figure out the destinctions

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

Its what kuli said here, the distinction between them all is whether its near/far or ranged damage.

[stray mulch]

this is the part where i either show how dumb i am, or actually prove a point

[flat mist]

Lay it on me

[stray mulch]

IF it's ranged damage it considers, then it makes no sense that run n gun would work there right?

using the logic i was given ----> unload doesn't work because it's ranged damage that affects

so does Run n' Gun, at least when you read it

oh nope

i see why am dumb on one part

but then i still have ot say

both of these say ranged

this says close

why tf cant the shark just be concise and consistent

ffs, why do we need a guide that has to look at the damn code. I really appreciate it because its damn near impossible to make sense of this otherwise I feel like.

like i get it, but damn does it still feel like i got hit with a confused status after having it being explained

[woeful hill]

[fluid ether]

In Your Face says "ranged damage" because one of the proc checks is that you have to have the ranged weapon wielded – like Zealot's Anoint in Blood – despite the buff itself not being limited to ranged attacks; the same was also true with Veteran's Longshot before they changed the buff itself.

the idea is that in these talents' cases, the buff is active only while ranged weapon is in hand, hence the descriptions say "ranged damage". which is disregarding anything related to DoTs and explosions. for weapon blessings like Run n Gun it's the same logic: buff is active while specific weapon is in hand, if it's the ranged weapon, descriptions mostly say "ranged damage" (or "close damage" if they want to convey that there is a distance requirement).

this isn't very consistent and intuitive and masks mechanics, so if you want to know for sure what is happening 'under the hood', better check some guide

[stray mulch]

i hope yall get paid or reached out to by fat shark lmao

they need the help fr

[astral canyon]

the goat has answered

[stray mulch]

i actually learned a lot from that one response ngl

looking at the guide makes me happy that im no longer running hyper crit too

im getting more nades ever since I stopped using it

[hybrid veldt]

@stray mulch got a 3 stam curio on my scum

Feels good man

[mighty belfry]

😭

God this game is so annoyingly complex in its definitions

Well, no matter to me cuz I refuse to use it

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

so true bestie

[mighty belfry]

It got really annoying having it break my melee flow

I get that it's dumb strong but I like consistency in my engagements and Street Tough fundamentally clashes with that for me

[astral canyon]

same

spite is also another thing that motivates me to not use it

[mighty belfry]

Also it working when you're blocking is stupid

I block to proc Butterfly and it just invalidates me doing that

[astral canyon]

i really need to use block more on scum

[mighty belfry]

Makes Float Like a Butterfly way more reliable ime

Since a perfect dodge is kinda finicky to rely on still

[astral canyon]

isnt perfect blocks even more finicky

[mighty belfry]

They're a lot easier to proc than one might think

All you really need to do is just block at times in the middle of a horde and it just kinda happens

Since at least one of those attacks are probably gonna get perfect blocked through the numerous others

[stray mulch]

let the warp take you XD

[mighty belfry]

Devil's Claw pretty much always procs it on parry too.

[stray mulch]

IT IS FREE!

[unreal stirrup]

anyone have link to the broken mods dchannel

[stray mulch]

at least it feels free

[unreal stirrup]

on dmd

[stray mulch]

im not sure but it almost feels like the timing for dodges is like double that of the blocks

[hybrid veldt]

Hear me out, 3, 3 stam curios on scum

[astral canyon]

funny

[hybrid veldt]

9 stam + stam on weapons

[astral canyon]

but definitely overkill

[hybrid veldt]

😂

[astral canyon]

ok stamina perk is too far

[mighty belfry]

Stamina perk is like 4%

[astral canyon]

ye

[mighty belfry]

There's no need for that

[hybrid veldt]

The whole build will be stamina

[astral canyon]

its still much better to get two +25% damage vs armor type perks

[hybrid veldt]

20% dmg reduction on high stam, would it scale?

9 stam bars

Im gaming guys

[astral canyon]

no

its just 20% if you are full stamina

[hybrid veldt]

Oh

[astral canyon]

getting more max stamina doesnt change anything

[hybrid veldt]

🙁

Thats fine

Ill be super fit

[stray mulch]

it would, technically

probably not how you;d hope

[hybrid veldt]

Yea, because overall total is higher

I knew it was right

[stray mulch]

i think the best case for hive city brawler is to not have more stamina, so you can sit at the 50%

10%DR and Melee Damage

[hybrid veldt]

9 stam scum

Ill make it a build

[stray mulch]

if you go 9 stamina its just for the 18% attackspeed

which i would liek to try

but the gacha has been shafting me

[astral canyon]

eh not really

[hybrid veldt]

Would it be more stam bars?

[astral canyon]

20% dr is pretty big

[hybrid veldt]

How does it work overall

[stray mulch]

yes 20% dr is good, but then you are only actively using half of it

20% melee damage is also good

dont need DR if things are just dead

[astral canyon]

by that logic 10% dr and 10% damage is also only half of it

[stray mulch]

if you want to get the most benefit from it all, im saying is that you;d not want to increase the stamina bars

[hybrid veldt]

No chance

[livid raven]

i dunno, it's really hard to use the melee damage

[stray mulch]

that means not just the dr

[hybrid veldt]

% regen would scale

[livid raven]

you'd have to spam push attacks

[hybrid veldt]

On having so much

[stray mulch]

that's easy

[livid raven]

most weapons don't want to spam that

including the shivs

[astral canyon]

what weapons on scum even spam PA outside of mk6 knife

[stray mulch]

even if that is the case you'd still be benefiting both side by not commiting the stamina

[livid raven]

well

at least not the mk1 shivs

[stray mulch]

the more stamina you have, the less value you will get out of the melee damage, that is all

[astral canyon]

even the slicing shivs that need PA for its single target damage also throw in a heavy attack immediately after so youre probably regenerating a bit if not all the stamina you spend on the PA

[astral canyon]

yeah but the more value you will get out of the DR

[hybrid veldt]

Listen i honestly couldnt care, it would be funny non the less

[stray mulch]

i say do it for the attack speed

that matters more than the dr imo

[hybrid veldt]

so much stam ill never have a problem with it

[stray mulch]

it already has like 80% uptime for the DR if the only time you use stamina is when running

[hybrid veldt]

I be running alot mate

[stray mulch]

me too

run'n gun

but you regen stam when sliding so its usually high

you also regen stamina when hit

like by any stray bullet

that plus the fact that its DR paired with the 30% toughness regen from taking stay shots, makes it pretty effective as is

[hybrid veldt]

So 9 stam is viable

Say no more

[stray mulch]

anything is viable provided you got the skill

except maybe melee only psyker staffing

or butt slamming with guns 🙂

[hybrid veldt]

I got no skill 🥀

But atleast ill have 9 stam

[stray mulch]

well you for sure got gacha skills lmao

[radiant magnet]

i run 9 stam knife with 8 bleed on crit, absolutley melts

[hybrid veldt]

?

[stray mulch]

you got the +3 stamina

[hybrid veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-14770887436103544323

[stray mulch]

you beat the gacha

and im jealous

[hybrid veldt]

Oh yea

Yeah tbf it was kinda rare

[stray mulch]

HAHAHAHA

NO WAY

[hybrid veldt]

I barely see them, and some fella in the game was like "i have 4"

Wow

💀

[stray mulch]

THANK YOU FOR SHARING BRO

[hybrid veldt]

LETTT GOOOOOOO

[stray mulch]

2 more to go....

[hybrid veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-banging-shield-rahhh-thiccatina-gif-2077174781171827192

9 stam scum build

[stray mulch]

i just want it for melee toxin stacks. Being able to try it with shivs will be nice

[hybrid veldt]

Yeah i traded my hp out, so its 3 stam and 2toughness 15% cause im poor

Well both hit 20% since of the extra 5%

[brittle sierra]

Pu$$iie shyte

Go full health

[hybrid veldt]

Full health? The scum relyings on toughness

[stray mulch]

wouldnt going full health be more puss?

[hybrid veldt]

Full hp builds feel pointless

Considering there is no life steal, or hp scale dmg, or anything hp related

Its a real shame

Because i would love to stack 3 20% hp with +5% curios

[stray mulch]

if tide games allowed lifesteal that would be wild and probably not good for the game

grey health was already abused a ton in VT2

[hybrid veldt]

No im not saying they should, im saying hp feels pointless stacking, unless you're going for wounds

[brittle sierra]

No because wounds is a crux for your teammates

[stray mulch]

nah

i think hp is valid

[brittle sierra]

Health maxing

[stray mulch]

i see the merit to hp, especially for havoc

[hybrid veldt]

hp scale talents would be cool

[brittle sierra]

Face tank everything

[stray mulch]

like 2 licks is enough to kill you without any extra hp

[hybrid veldt]

But i have 9 stam

No i dont, I wish tho

[stray mulch]

15*

total i think

nutty

give scum a way to channel stamina like vet and ogryn

🙂

[hybrid veldt]

Scum needs more movement speed 💀

[brittle sierra]

Gross

Stop dodging

Fucking just kill them

[hybrid veldt]

Never

[stray mulch]

that's what the stamina is for tho

[hybrid veldt]

How would I get my 20% extra crit

Its important for the build

[brittle sierra]

Ok but hp make big number go up

Get rekt sheeple

I'm on that gamma grindset

[hybrid veldt]

Ye

Brittle bonesaw

[stray mulch]

stamina make dps go up, which is a big important number

[hybrid veldt]

Ill make a rampage/hypercrit/velocity 1shot build with 9 stam

[brittle sierra]

Invest big loose big

[hybrid veldt]

Cant forget the 9 stam

😂

[brittle sierra]

Nuff said

[hybrid veldt]

And if i have 20%dr then melee dmg isnt a problem

[stray mulch]

with rampage it would be45%

[hybrid veldt]

That with any dmg resist perk and I feel ill be pretty tanky honestly

[stray mulch]

free ass tanky boy

Hive City Brawler + Rampage + Chem fort would be 60%-65%

[hybrid veldt]

And 9 stam

💀 okay ill stop

[stray mulch]

keep rubbing it in

imma get to 9 before you

[hybrid veldt]

I dont have it

I wish 🙁

You probably might

[brittle sierra]

Ortho dockets is the best perk in the game

Change my mind

[stray mulch]

ive never used it

like ever

ordo dockets XD

[hybrid veldt]

Whats this?

Its havoc what people play?

Whats the meaning to it?

I havent played in along time

[brittle sierra]

Havoc deez

[hybrid veldt]

[brittle sierra]

cringe gamemode dont play it

real chads play auric mortis

[manic wolf]

I mean.. Havoc do kinda be a bit of a meme mode

[stray mulch]

It's where people like me go to see how much we really aren't about that life

think you're good?

climb havoc

cry, leave havoc. try again and repeat

enjoy the various bugs

Deamonhosts will spawn out of holes you never knew existed

[mighty belfry]

I love cbt

(Havoc)

[hybrid veldt]

Yeah welp maybe one day

[mighty belfry]

Haven't been able to make it back to 40 cuz I've been working so much

😭

[manic wolf]

Well you only had to say 😏

[mighty belfry]

Thankfully, this climb is kind of a freebie with the modifiers

And I guess specific to me, actually getting invited by good teams

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/its-gonna-be-so-easy-robin-james-its-going-to-be-easy-its-not-that-difficult-you-can-do-it-gif-19051090

[mighty belfry]

I played with a.a last night

On his pillaging build

I have never seen so many elites killed in my near 4k hours playing this game

Absolute mad man

[neat delta]

Speedrun w @unique dagger

Got back up same day levels got reset

[verbal dew]

ok @mighty belfry I've been trying your hsword build in just psyk and holy hell

[rotund agate]

I just now realized needler dot kills can give blinder regen stacks...

[mighty belfry]

Its extremely fun

[verbal dew]

I assume you been doing havoc with it too

[fresh oar]

Anyone have any good fast melee builds?

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[verbal dew]

meanwhile I get auto-declined in party finder

[mighty belfry]

It helps that I'm apparently a reliable enough teammate for Havoc that I'm getting invites lol

Might change it a Lil when I get home tonight

I've been trying to omit hypercrit for the sake of better blackout regen

[zenith pagoda]

I'll never give up hypercrit

[verbal dew]

ok got an h40, let's see how it goes

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/mission-failed-the-incredible-hulk-ultimate-destruction-playstation-2-xbox-gamecube-gif-4437056820694753591

[candid flint]

anyone else experience instant enemy spawns at start of a mission?

3k hours, never seen before

[livid raven]

that really shouldn't happen

[verbal dew]

ate an overhead under rampage and forgot that kills me with your setup

[mighty belfry]

LMAO

I mean, could run health if you want

[verbal dew]

is the stam that needed

[mighty belfry]

It's just fun

[verbal dew]

I want min 2 health prob

also were you supposed to use mk6?

[mighty belfry]

Curio setup can be whatever really

Heavy sword?

[verbal dew]

ye

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[verbal dew]

like I've always preferred 9

[mighty belfry]

Special heavy chain is really nice imho

[verbal dew]

and I switched to it now on my second run

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword is really up to preference too

I just like that one the best

[verbal dew]

ok good to know

at least only I died

doing mercantile

[lavish bronze]

the beauty of heavy sword

[torpid cloud]

which one

how does this work?

[snow scroll]

Reading the penance explains the penance

[torpid cloud]

no i mean

does it only count coherency or something

[zenith pagoda]

Yup this happened to me

Fatshark has broken everythin

[snow scroll]

Have at least 50% drug juice, take nodes where your drugs replenish toughness (top left arm)

Use it until bar filled

[torpid cloud]

i guess ill just take one node and work on it passively

[snow scroll]

It's what I'm doing. Tried doing it actively with stim supply and more than one node, but it still took forever to make progress, because turns out everyone and their mother has talents to replenish their own toughness, or you get shout, bubble, shouty zealots...

Now I just have one node on my DPS stimm and crawl to the finish line

[torpid cloud]

ill need to run stim supply again at some point for the penance as well

but also seriously whihc nodes should i take for adrenaline frenzy

kills seem consistent unless i hard focus on a boss or something

maybe longer frenzy

[verbal dew]

you need to actually restore toughness

like take toughness damage, restore it

[snow scroll]

Smiter is kinda shite because it requires kills and disables on hit, I'd take adrenalin ass, stoked rage, and maybe uncontrolled aggression if you have the point

[north crow]

longer frenzy or more stacks on elite kill

and toughness regen ofc

[whole marten]

so whats the builds people have made so far

I scraped some together real quick im curious what the general opinion is

[north crow]

depends on the keystone weapons?

you cant jsut ask for a build in general lol

[whole marten]

I usually make a build for each skill

[upbeat pendant]

if its a rampage build, you probably got at least 26 nodes the same as others

[bronze glade]

smiter is good

[torpid cloud]

im kinda freestyling mine and asking for suggestions sometimes
its fun

[main wagon]

Turn your stimm into a toughness regen stim crate, go into Mortis Trials, and you’ll be good in like 3 games

[bronze glade]

if you take any adren keystone for stack-building, it should be smiter

in fact

adren ass is the one that's ass

[snow scroll]

Smiter makes me think it's pretty worthless into anything you really want the damage against, and good into trash

[bronze glade]

well thing is

[snow scroll]

Guess it evens out if you're always in the horde?

[bronze glade]

you're going to spend all your time surrounded by trash anyway

and elites also give 10 stacks

which is massive

the problem with adren ass is that your weakspot rate is never as high as you think it is

[snow scroll]

Might depend on weapon

[torpid cloud]

the speed at which you blend stuff, makes smiter seem really attractive

[bronze glade]

you can aim at head-level

and end up with 50% weakspot rate in a horde

[snow scroll]

Like, I don't think hitting enough crits and weakspot hits with shivs is in any way worse than smiter

[bronze glade]

which means... it's basically a sidegrade to the base keystone stacking

[north crow]

hmm

no

shivs have body prio I'm rather sure

[bronze glade]

except you paid a point for this sidegrade lol

[north crow]

I average like 10% less headshot rate with than any other weap

[main wagon]

Id believe it

Feels like Evi sometimes

[north crow]

I have usually 35%ish headshot with shivs

whereas 45% is average

60% with thunder hammer

[zenith pagoda]

Havoc is unplayable rn, buggy mess, enemies right at spawn, the modifiers are fucked, enemies walking through closed doors, frame gen still broken so performance is ass

[north crow]

bro I cant even bother to fire up the game, until they fix FSR

[main wagon]

Havoc? I’m still grinding Grid Points

[north crow]

I REFUSE to play 40 FPS

[main wagon]

Kappa is goated, they give you like 30 mins and it’s night time lmao

[snow scroll]

I turn framegen off because it sucks and average 80-90 frames

[main wagon]

I’m very fortunate to not be dealing with performance issues

[zenith pagoda]

My modifiers were blight, hounds, rampage and lights out

On the fucking snow map

So you could just dodge off edge without knowing

[snow scroll]

Frankly, expeditions are more frustrating than Havoc. At least in Havoc everyone can agree on where to go and work towards the same goal

Expeditions is mostly someone pinging the closest point, then half the team swarms to god knows where, accomplish nothing, and die

[jovial heron]

15 on elite

[zenith pagoda]

Smiter is a must take