That's all I've ever wanted 😭
#hivescum-class
rancid gulch
flat mist
Thats so rough, im sorry
manic wolf
Desperado was and still is the least skillful version of Scum, theres no escaping that reality
Interact with game mechanics? Nah, just hold M1 and W your way to victory
lilac schooner
That's kinda understating it, but it changes the dynamic a lot compared to before
flat mist
That's kinda understating it, but it changes the dynamic a lot compared to befor...
Yeah, fair, i am underselling the impact
It hugely increases the skill floor for left side on h40
manic wolf
It hugely increases the skill floor for left side on h40
I wouldnt say hugely, but a bit
upbeat pendant
Desperado was and still is the least skillful version of Scum, theres no escapin...
Range immune, dog immune, most dodges compared to other classes, infinite ammo lol
lilac schooner
Desperado was and still is the least skillful version of Scum, theres no escapin...
I don't think it was really that overpowered in the higher difficulties, but in auric and lower yes it was a problem
manic wolf
At the end of the day, you're still ignoring most of the really threatening enemies for most of the match
flat mist
You have to have good awareness of how to actually get that kill efficiently, esp if you have minimal investment into melee nodes
Sometimes it's super easy, other times good fucking luck
lilac schooner
Reason being armor is spammed in high havoc and desperado can't do shit against them
flat mist
Ironically playing with subpar teams its way easier
upbeat pendant
There's a lot more armor packs than rpg charges
My recent runs had generous grenade spawns so I can’t really say much
flat mist
But i played with a goated squad and god it was hard to get that kill quickly and efficiently
lilac schooner
My recent runs had generous grenade spawns so I can’t really say much
Yeah it's gonna be inconsistent to rely on blitzes
upbeat pendant
Generous enough that I don’t run the +1 blitz anymore compared to pre patch
But holy havoc is just filled with blight modifiers melee feels ahh to play without getting aids constantly
flat mist
Reason being armor is spammed in high havoc and desperado can't do shit against ...
Im now way more likely to take shivs, hyper crit and a couple of nodes that help melee on despo builds
fallen void
torpid cloud
I think the spread was reduced
neat delta
Is crowbar worth using yet
prime cape
Is crowbar worth using yet
define "worth" xD
stray mulch
i think if you like the moveset just use it
neat delta
theres a moveset?
I've just been spaming light attack with peak melee speed until things die
zenith fern
horde clear and single target
neat delta
you mean the modes
zenith fern
the hook mode is pretty much single target
neat delta
I don't like hook mode ngl
stray mulch
i mean dodges cancle that no?
neat delta
i mean dodges cancle that no?
yea, and you get only one hit instead of two
torpid cloud
theres a moveset?
Off topic but whenever I see you around I keep being amazed by your profile
Absolute cinema
Peak vibes
Reminds me a bit of psychopomp actually
neat delta
stray mulch
yea, and you get only one hit instead of two
i mean its the same for the bone saw
and i still like it
neat delta
Off topic but whenever I see you around I keep being amazed by your profile
Abs...
thaaaaaaaaaaank you I actually love that game!
The video game its from is Picayune Dreams!
And believe it or not, it actually has an easter egg referencing psychopomp!
torpid cloud
thaaaaaaaaaaank you I actually love that game!
I think theyre working on a sequel aren't they
That's exciting
neat delta
bro, does brunt EVER give +3 stam curios?
stray mulch
i wanna be a goo scum, but i am NOT waiting for 3x +3 stam
nah thats a grind im never going through again
torpid cloud
They got the desire sensor from monhun and integrated it here
stray mulch
They got the desire sensor from monhun and integrated it here
i felt this heavy
farming sets in g rank mh4u
absolute worst feeling
torpid cloud
Also I feel like one Stam curio and two toughness curios works well
stray mulch
Also I feel like one Stam curio and two toughness curios works well
i will settle on this
12% attackspeed isn't worth the sweat and tears
maybe
torpid cloud
Was it 2% per each current stamina?
stray mulch
Was it 2% per each current stamina?
yup
+6 = 12% attack speed
its noticable , im on 2x+2 atm
just the 8% makes the bone saw smoother
torpid cloud
One +2 Stam curio gets you to 6 on tac axe at least, I've been happy with that
reef spoke
it does adjust based on your current stamina in combat
but that shouldn't be too much of an issue
stray mulch
yeah
my plan is stam curios with stamina regen
higher value up time on the dr and attackspeed
plus more attack speed translates to more toughness gen in melee
farming points for melk on other characters for more pulls on curios
boy do i miss gatcha systems XD
upbeat pendant
good yeah but not needed, the entire dodge section is personal preference
spice cloud
And why is it forcing me to either take long lasting or blessed stimms
I shouldve stayed on my ogryn
upbeat pendant
yeah its a shame just go blessed cause havoc seems to love spamming blight recently unless youre doing crate or desp or if youre not doing havoc
zenith pagoda
And why is it forcing me to either take long lasting or blessed stimms<:KEKW_ogr...
Yeah I hate that change sm
astral canyon
yeah its a shame just go blessed cause havoc seems to love spamming blight recen...
You need to take blessed to reach crate lol
upbeat pendant
You need to take blessed to reach crate lol
oh yeah forgot about that part lol
you'll also be taking both of them if you want the crit coherency with desp
flat mist
my plan is stam curios with stamina regen
Stam regen is a waste, especially now theres no penalty on rampage
flat mist
you'll also be taking both of them if you want the crit coherency with desp
Which you shouldn't do
upbeat pendant
its whatever, ranged doesnt need much nodes anyways unless you want some melee nodes
stray mulch
Stam regen is a waste, especially now theres no penalty on rampage
im not using rampage
weird assumption
war crimes with chemicals
dire badge
Nimble or alley rat?
Entirely personal pref but I always do alley rat. I've gotten used to the normal dodge immunities so the dodge distance for repositioning and dodging crushers is just super helpful
stray mulch
i would say alley cat > nimble mostly for the mobility and safety
but it also gets you killed more than you'd expect
winged bay
doubt it's better for safety
chained nimble dodges already give you distance vs anything
stray mulch
whatever arbitration you choose is up to you
winged bay
and you lose ranged linger
if you don't have jittery i can see alley cat being better for safety
winged bay
yeah but I'm never going to drop jittery in any build
astral canyon
Ye lol
winged bay
It's not just about being wasteful with dodges
stray mulch
dashes and run sliding will help you maintain both stamina and the dodge charges
astral canyon
Scum has so many fucking dodges
stray mulch
5 base dodges is already so good
after i put on alley cat i cant see any reason to need more dodges
so much distance gained, especially off of ledges
which unfortunately gets you killed
slingshotting into the aether
astral canyon
after i put on alley cat i cant see any reason to need more dodges
Alley car 🐱
winged bay
chained jittery dodges gives you the best mobility in the game. It's not just about safety and sometimes you are still going to make mistakes. I've enough hours in tide games to not be wasteful and I still think it's more than worth
stray mulch
Alley car 🐱
i finally know what my hotwheels cars felt like flying through the air off the ramps
winged bay
certainly better than whatever node I would take instead
stray mulch
not saying it doesnt give more mobility but, not everyone cares nor does everyone want to use 2 points for something they probably arent going to utilize to maximum efficiency. 1 point is less than 2 and gives you space for something else
winged bay
depends on what kind of content you are playing of course
compact oyster
Alley cat is busted
All ill say
Instant dodge out of any melee situation and kiting possibilities
stray mulch
i think both are strong, but one is an enabler of another talent and gets enabled by a second other talent more than the other.
also in expeditions alley cat is so much mobility
ledges galore
spice cloud
Entirely personal pref but I always do alley rat. I've gotten used to the normal...
Yeah i took it aswell
Some changes and perk positions are very weird
But the crate build seems overall stronger with the chem explosions
stray mulch
But the crate build seems overall stronger with the chem explosions
its the only way i will choose to play the class
legit have been holding off for like a month because all ive been seeing is rampage. When i saw the new tree it made me happy
feels like a completely diff way to play the game, fire and forget, swing and forget, press F and forget
spice cloud
Yeah i like the crate a lot aswell
But bonesaw could use a little lovetap in balancing
Just a little
Then it would be perfect
unreal stirrup
yeah like making it doesn't have dogshit flak adm
stray mulch
a buff would be nice on bonesaw, but i actually thinks its decent as is atm
maybe more base cleave and it will be good
astral canyon
Buffing the base cleave and letting its tox refresh blinders would be really nice
spice cloud
If the heavy attack did more single target ir smth like that
Because its so slow anyway
stray mulch
Buffing the base cleave and letting its tox refresh blinders would be really nic...
YES
unreal stirrup
bonesaw have shock and awe but toxin doesn't proc it
astral canyon
maybe more base cleave and it will be good
ABSOLUTELY more base cleave
unreal stirrup
Buffing the base cleave and letting its tox refresh blinders would be really nic...
that require making toxin count toward blinder
astral canyon
that require making toxin count toward blinder
Nope
stray mulch
Why does the DoT not count on bonesaw but the DoT from the needle pistol shot does
astral canyon
^
astral canyon
Its completely possible to make exceptions for certain tox applications
spice cloud
Why is that list soooo long lmao
stray mulch
Why is that list soooo long lmao<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
because FS is dumb
they could just include them
and increase the threshold
astral canyon
Eh idk about that
stray mulch
even 5 would be a valid threshold
as is those kinds of talents only scale with difficulty
spice cloud
I havent tried blinders yet
astral canyon
Like all the aoe tox applications are perfectly valid to not work for blinders
stray mulch
I havent tried blinders yet
they are fun
astral canyon
Pocket toxin, needler special, splash damage, booby trap
stray mulch
we have a lot of resources to apply it
astral canyon
But bonesaw and coated could def get a pass
stray mulch
if one gets a pass they all can
spice cloud
No only bonesaw
astral canyon
if one gets a pass they all can
Absolutely not
stray mulch
if the total percent count increases you can do the math to increase the threshold by the same percent or more
spice cloud
The others dont need it really
astral canyon
Pocket toxin blinders feeding its own refresh would be fucking insane
stray mulch
if we went from 2 to 8 things affecting it you could increase the threshol 4x
or even 5
astral canyon
if the total percent count increases you can do the math to increase the thresho...
Yeah but then you fuck over the people who arent running those things
stray mulch
Pocket toxin blinders feeding its own refresh would be fucking insane
so then that would be excluded, but its not hard to code in
astral canyon
so then that would be excluded, but its not hard to code in
Any form of aoe tox application should be excluded
stray mulch
Yeah but then you fuck over the people who arent running those things
balancing something like that provokes interaction through building for it
astral canyon
Bonesaw and coated wouldnt be as insane because it requires you to directly attack the enemy
stray mulch
feeding off of shriek and the whole tree can feed off of soul flame as a mechanic
astral canyon
look at flam staff builds
Are you deadass saying flame staff is not problematic
stray mulch
before it got nerfed it was okay to just have shriek reset itself every 5 seconds
stray mulch
Are you deadass saying flame staff is not problematic
no that;s not what im saying
its getting in a better place
astral canyon
Flame staff is fucking insane
stray mulch
but having that kind of synergy isnt that bad, it had been in the game for a hot minute
until yall got a damn yt video about it
astral canyon
Hell psyker as a whole is fucking insane
We really should not be using it as a benchmark for balance decisions
stray mulch
noone knows whats good until a popular yt yaps about it, and if we know what makes it problematic it becaomes easier to correct no?
you are severley misunderstanding the point im making
astral canyon
Maybe
stray mulch
we know what synergy could look like and what made soulflame broken, assuming the worse in the situation is a bit dull
astral canyon
But still letting aoe tox refresh blinders would make it way too busted
stray mulch
But still letting aoe tox refresh blinders would make it way too busted
only if handled wrong
why make that assumption
spice cloud
I think what hes trying to say is that fs could find a way to make it balanced
spice cloud
To regen with some type of tox dmg
astral canyon
But how the fuck do you balance infinite tox grenades
stray mulch
To regen with some type of tox dmg
it should only be kills imo
the threshold would have to be much higher than 20 though
legit
astral canyon
To regen with some type of tox dmg
I mean im fine with tox kills refreshing blinders
Just not the aoe sources
spice cloud
But how the fuck do you balance infinite tox grenades
We just dont do THAT particular thing tho
stray mulch
aoe should be included, the radius that they need to be in could be lessend
there are aspects
player radius
kill threshold
astral canyon
the threshold would have to be much higher than 20 though
And again if you do that you just fuck over the people who arent running those things
stray mulch
And again if you do that you just fuck over the people who arent running those t...
dang almost like that's a good thing to avoid abuse
astral canyon
?
stray mulch
disallowing things to be abuseable is not bad
the ppl who were using soulflame felt the fall out too
even when they werent abusing it
no?
not everyone using it was using it to the same degree
astral canyon
Im talking about how people who dont run a fuckton of aoe tox stuff would be fucked over by this change with 0 compensation
stray mulch
im not sure i see anyone crying about them getting punished for it
stray mulch
Im talking about how people who dont run a fuckton of aoe tox stuff would be fuc...
good
that's a choice you should make in a game where choices matter for builds
like what?
astral canyon
???
stray mulch
if they want to use 25% of the methods to regen let them
astral canyon
Its already a choice you are making by not running those talents
stray mulch
its not punishment
its giving more options
literally
you take too much of a pessimistic view on this
more options more avaliability, even if the base thing is balanced around it
not sure how that's not apparent with all the nerfs we've had, as well as some of the buffs we've had over the years
astral canyon
Just making coated weaponry and bonesaw work with it would already enable more options
stray mulch
even more so, again those type of interactions scale with difficulty, so alreadyt most ppl arent getting much benefit from them
stray mulch
Just making coated weaponry and bonesaw work with it would already enable more o...
guarenteed if you though what i was advocating for would be abuseable, this would be too
guarenteed
astral canyon
Not nearly as much
stray mulch
all you would have to do is commit crit and cleave
astral canyon
Yes
stray mulch
that would 100% be worse than you think
im already spamming them in havoc and auric, lmao
not having a threshold but having the effects that apply to it increase is such a weird take
astral canyon
And allowing aoe tox to apply would be even worse
stray mulch
that's just a buff waiting to be abused
stray mulch
And allowing aoe tox to apply would be even worse
but im not saying add it without shiftinf a goal post
you are
see the difference?
balancing is give and take, not just give
thats how you get power creep like soulflame
the same thing you yourself thought was busted
astral canyon
balancing is give and take, not just give
Thats fair probably
astral canyon
I just dont really see the reason for why coated/bonesaw dont refresh but the fucking needler gets a pass
stray mulch
fat shark is dumb
astral canyon
Hypercrit too but i wouldnt be surprised if thats unintentional lol
stray mulch
but if the anumber ws higher to begin with i asure you ppl would bitch and moan about it
stray mulch
Hypercrit too but i wouldnt be surprised if thats unintentional lol
i use hyper crit becaue it helps stack the blackout
hyper crit is a nice addition ngl\
astral canyon
i use hyper crit becaue it helps stack the blackout
Hypercrit doesnt refresh them
stray mulch
lemme see if i can clip
astral canyon
.
stray mulch
hmm, maybe im just killing them that easy then
ill take that correction, i think if the DoT did affect it i would go from getting 1-3 nades a wave to a full 5 each wave
maybe even more
i would like that, but it wouldnt be balanced
probably would out pace the living hell out of the other 2 ordinances
stray mulch
as is atm, its just frustrating that it pretty much only works in auric or like 25+ havoc
works well i should say, maybe my bar is a bit high
but i like spamming shit
astral canyon
as is atm, its just frustrating that it pretty much only works in auric or like ...
Eh not really
Its still pretty good outside of that
stray mulch
again, my bar might just be high
in lower levels i cant get the kills because the waves dont get close enough
unless im the last one alive, or like one of the last 2
might try using hot shot
zenith pagoda
I would love to have all the toxin talents but there is so much investment
Especially if you're getting chem dependency too
stray mulch
in all fairness i think toxins do well enough by just focusing on them
i think i only have a few actual damage nodes
and im almost back up to h25
if only the damn game would work well
zenith pagoda
Is the street tough stagger significant? I haven't tried it yet
lost ravine
Is the street tough stagger significant? I haven't tried it yet
dog immunity
and very helpful into rager packs (get hit once, mass stagger, carve them up)
lost ravine
in short, it's a stupid talent that should not exist
astral canyon
in short, it's a stupid talent that should not exist
True
At least not for scum of all fucking classes
astral canyon
And specially not with that low of a cooldown
leaden pendant
Is chainsword a weapon you stack crit with?
jw if i can just translate a shiv build to it no fuss
zenith pagoda
Ah classic fatshark, all the push back enemies talents are ass
lost ravine
chainsword is a weapon
astral canyon
Ah classic fatshark, all the push back enemies talents are ass
No lmao
lost ravine
Ah classic fatshark, all the push back enemies talents are ass
bait
stray mulch
Is the street tough stagger significant? I haven't tried it yet
I USE IT FOR THE MOVE SPEED
sorry caps
but you can go into fights just block for float like a butterfly and also have the speed
astral canyon
Also float requires a perfect block
stray mulch
or just block lmao
you already do block for a lot of melee chains
its not like youd be practicing something new
astral canyon
Which ones?
stray mulch
lets see
psword
ogryn shield
any weapon that has a chain worth repeating
that can be looped off of a block
like what, have you never done one?
astral canyon
What about scum
stray mulch
bonesaw
zenith pagoda
I think the reason why the talent is so good is BC the cooldown is only 8s
astral canyon
Or just heavy light repeat
unreal stirrup
I think the reason why the talent is so good is BC the cooldown is only 8s
yeah basically fuck all
and you have 2 billions way to avoid damage
zenith pagoda
Well I think it will be really useful for me for silent or unstaggerable hounds
stray mulch
Specially when stacking attack speed
and what when you are in crowds of mixed armour or bulwarks
you can always add a variable that makes an argument better
instead of side swiping i could just commit my overheads to where i'd want them instead of bouncing an attack off in that situation
astral canyon
and what when you are in crowds of mixed armour or bulwarks
In that situation i'd just light spam to get as much tox as possible
Or even better
Rocket
stray mulch
In that situation i'd just light spam to get as much tox as possible
the heavy attack actually does damage and would kill faster
so why would i default to killing threats slower?
especially when i can just select a few ragers to one shot with hyper crit
astral canyon
Unfortunately latch attacks have the issue that they dont scale with attack speed
stray mulch
there will be times you dont have rocket as well
we should not just make random assumptions
yeah they don't but i never argued that, im not sure you want a ton of attack speed on bone saw to begin with
astral canyon
Do you actually have a clip showing H1 cancel on bonesaw being faster than cycling heavy light
stray mulch
im stopping at the 20% when i get the +3 curio
astral canyon
yeah they don't but i never argued that, im not sure you want a ton of attack sp...
You want it because more attacks=more tox
Like why would you not want more attack speed
stray mulch
Like why would you not want more attack speed
if you are comfortable with what you have or arent particularly building for it
the assumption you NEED or WANT more is weird
astral canyon
Plus bottom left stimm path gives even more attack speed
stray mulch
more can be nice, but also there is damage, resistance, health, toughness
stray mulch
Plus bottom left stimm path gives even more attack speed
IF you are taking it
lots of those are ifs
i will conced the point that it is faster
they look roughly the same
but a chance to get a free block for float is one im going to default to
block canceling for me is already easy to me since im accustomed to P.sword
astral canyon
block canceling for me is already easy to me since im accustomed to P.sword
I mean same for me
stray mulch
idk, at least not after that convo
astral canyon
But unless im doing PA i just tap the block button for a single moment
zenith pagoda
Wait hold up? Explosion? Lethal prox??
stray mulch
being accustomed to cancling would mean you are aware of the weapon that use the tech no?
astral canyon
Yeah power sword uses it
stray mulch
ogryn shield used it too
astral canyon
Ye but i dont play ogryn shield
Karsolas spam all day for me
Love me my looping heavy sweeps
stray mulch
Krourk uses it too if you want to spam lights
astral canyon
Krourk?
stray mulch
think i started using that loop after the batter change
jovial heron
Wait hold up? Explosion? Lethal prox??
Kuli doesn’t list them interacting. I wonder if the “non damaging” aspect makes it differentiated
zenith pagoda
He didn't say it didn't though 
stray mulch
yea so i gotta take that one on the chin, they are like the same speed, block cancling and swinging with the light for bonesaw
i would legit have to go count the frames
imma say that was 1 big cap
astral canyon
Kuli doesn’t list them interacting. I wonder if the “non damaging” aspect makes ...
Blinders are affected by lethal prox
Idk if scum has any weapons that really use blocks for melee combos outside of the occasional PA
stray mulch
I just do it out of habit
stray mulch
just weaving it in gets you the float proc every now and then, so block canceling and dodging is just more up time i guess. You also technically get a bit of damage from losing stamina on a block if that matters XD. (probsbly only if you arent stacking stamina)
wheat brook
Is there a steam community resource for all weapons, MKs and their combos? I used one for Vermintide
zenith pagoda
I don't have mods so I can't test if lethal prox increases the radius
jovial heron
Blinders are affected by lethal prox
I mean it IS FOR grenade explosions
stray mulch
Is there a steam community resource for all weapons, MKs and their combos? I use...
i don't think there is, at least not one that im aware of
astral canyon
Is there a steam community resource for all weapons, MKs and their combos? I use...
Pinned guide on #veteran-class has it for all weapons on veteran and zealot (including shared weapons) and ogrynomicon on #ogryn-class has it for ogryn weapons
None for psyker, arb and scum exclusive weapons for now
stray mulch
yeah you might not find that kid of sstuff consolidated in one place
astral canyon
I mean it IS FOR grenade explosions
Nah
All explosions
It even affects crusher special
stray mulch
None for psyker, arb and scum exclusive weapons for now
really?
wheat brook
Pinned guide on <#1046912126746374274> has it for all weapons on veteran and zea...
Thanks
stray mulch
psykers only care about shooting i guess XD
jovial heron
All explosions
So you think it works with street tough then
wheat brook
I only know the Saw combos (I have never used anything else on scum since unlocking it)
wheat brook
I don’t know if the other stuff is even good
astral canyon
So you think it works with street tough then
Probably does ye
wheat brook
I bought scum because I saw someone use the saw in QP and wanted it
astral canyon
I don’t know if the other stuff is even good
Shivs are cracked af
stray mulch
Tbf not like either have melees with very intricate movesets lmao
i think most weapons dont have intricate move sets, so fair
astral canyon
Bonesaw is unfortunately uhhh
stray mulch
shivs are nasty
astral canyon
Kinda mid
astral canyon
In an ideal world its horde clear combo would be PA heavy heavy
vapid jungle
Our crit chance DR discussion yesterday inspired me to make this little chart
stray mulch
i swapped some cleave off of mine because i wanted to stack poisons faster, but the cleave is so needed
stray mulch
In an ideal world its horde clear combo would be PA heavy heavy
yes
wheat brook
I only notice it’s lack of cleave in havoc
topaz adder
love me bone saw
stray mulch
I only notice it’s lack of cleave in havoc
you'll notice it in dense enough packs
zenith pagoda
Does rashad have a cleave cap like taxe or no?
stray mulch
use it without any cleave talents then with cleave talents
it's like night and day diff
topaz adder
astral canyon
Does rashad have a cleave cap like taxe or no?
No
zenith pagoda
If only bonesaw had perfect strike 
astral canyon
But it still has godawful base cleave
zenith pagoda
I'll take bromentum and all cleave talents
stray mulch
the only combos i like on bonesaw atm are Shock and Awe + Decimator or Shred + Decimator
either way you need at least 1 cleave blessing i think, and shred is for the idiocy i like
astral canyon
Shock and awe is pretty much mandatory for it
stray mulch
i feel like ive cleared waves at th same pace with both
might be placebo, but sitting at 90% crit kinda feels nice. Maybe it's the toxin getting kills
high mirage
What about wrath?
stray mulch
What about wrath?
well you have shock and awe
astral canyon
What about wrath?
Shock and awe does more
stray mulch
i think wrath could be interchangeable but if you are already getting kills 60% less mass is just more andeasier to get
stray mulch
and decimator gives damage, cleave and stagger iirc
low harbor
Does rashad have a cleave cap like taxe or no?
No
stray mulch
nah
chilly patio
oh okay then
astral canyon
Embed fail
stray mulch
new game mode feels like a tony hawk pro skater track
chilly patio
how embarressing
astral canyon
and decimator gives damage, cleave and stagger iirc
Ye its strength
stray mulch
when playing the scum
astral canyon
But it takes a lot more effort to stack
chilly patio
new game mode feels like a tony hawk pro skater track
omg that would go hard af
stray mulch
Ye its strength
just had to clarify i though, since im remembering as I go. Everytime i leave this game i delete my last experience
chilly patio
okay fine, put it this way: I retract everything negative I said about Hive Scum
stray mulch
ty
chilly patio
cus i think i get it now
astral canyon
cus i think i get it now
The fact scum got buffed also probably helped lmao
astral canyon
is str and power diff
Pretty sure it isnt
chilly patio
playing the new game mode as a fast-paced Hive Scum build is such a rush
stray mulch
Pretty sure it isnt
im gunna harpoon this damn shark out of the water and grill it
chilly patio
so much ground coverage with enough firepower to stand alone for a while
astral canyon
No i mean im pretty sure its the same thing
stray mulch
No i mean im pretty sure its the same thing
i cry
maybe power is from weapon blessings and strength is from everything else
maybe?!
astral canyon
Nope
stray mulch
chilly patio
https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the...
NOW WAIT JUST A MINUTE
chilly patio
you can post gifs and i cant?
astral canyon
Red name
stray mulch
special perk for being terminally online
jovial heron
you can post gifs and i cant?
Classism exists in Darktide server
astral canyon
You need to talk more in the server to gain image permissions
jovial heron
Need a red name
astral canyon
Helps mitigate bots i imagine
chilly patio
literally have to get fatshark tattoo'd onto your forehead just to post gifs
man this server sucks
jovial heron
astral canyon
man this server sucks
So true bestie
chilly patio
❤️
stray mulch
Again im pretty sure its the exact same thing
bro it hurts, yeah some mention power other blessings mention strength
wheat brook
What stim do you guys run?
stray mulch
What stim do you guys run?
i think the people here like the bottom left and some of the bottom right?
or like bottom left and top right
for power crit attckspeed and the likes
astral canyon
What stim do you guys run?
I like running this with rampage shivs
Most stimms i see are usually top right+bottom left too
stray mulch
ive seen double right as well for the CD on rampage
chilly patio
How much of my lifespan to I need to waste here before I am bestowed the great honour and privilege of posting react gifs?
stray mulch
How much of my lifespan to I need to waste here before I am bestowed the great h...
give it all to the emperor
jovial heron
ive seen double right as well for the CD on rampage
That’s like what an extra 7.5 seconds of cooldown off of rampage?
chilly patio
I WOULD IF I COULT
stray mulch
That’s like what an extra 7.5 seconds of cooldown off of rampage?
i think in total if you can keep killing when the stim is up you get rampage down to like 15-16 seconds CD from what i saw
and that was without ability cdr on curio
jovial heron
i think in total if you can keep killing when the stim is up you get rampage dow...
Is there some kind of kill related cooldowns talent?
jovial heron
Okay so 15 sec off of rampage
stray mulch
i am just not a rampage enjoyer atm
yeah, just off of rampage
idk about anything else past that atm
been dedicating myself to the stim supply
astral glade
What's the lore behind this class? like did they recruit hive people?
astral glade
could you elaborate a little bit if u got time
main wagon
main wagon
I dont think it was actually 38 but that's hilarious
Average surface mission feels like that with the revolving door
stray mulch
more than 1 death per minute?
main wagon
Oops all imperial guard
Just picking up the tech remnants like
"Sorry Hadron, lost another guardsman"
Airlock 1v1 is definitely the best part about the new mode
Swagger just goes "no intruders" and you gotta 1v1 a boss in the cage
stray mulch
no clue what that is
main wagon
You gotta kill anything you close in the gate with you lol
low harbor
isnt the hive scum a mercenary?
They’re cartel enforcers
stray mulch
i think i just finishd unlocking the nodes connected to beta
stray mulch
They’re cartel enforcers
why do they have banter about merc work with the different party members?
low harbor
i think i just finishd unlocking the nodes connected to beta
I have all 8 grid points unlocked and the purple cosmetic set
low harbor
why do they have banter about merc work with the different party members?
Bounty hunter is very clearly a gun for hire
stray mulch
i dont, ive only been playing on auric
and im usually alone half the game
sad to say not a lot of completions
main wagon
why do they have banter about merc work with the different party members?
Subcontractors
stray mulch
especially due to lag
main wagon
My Outlaw scum keeps trying to recruit people
Should carry around free t shirts
Also taught me a new word, "treacle"
Not common in American English compared to British English
stray mulch
Should carry around free t shirts
if they offered me an helmet i would immediately join
mighty dew
Is anyone else annoyed at the hivescum talent layout change?
I have to pick useless stimm talents for myself cause I don't use cartel special
main wagon
stray mulch
is there a benefit to not using cartel special?
other than getting to pick up stims i guess?
mighty dew
I like medstimms too much
main wagon
Is anyone else annoyed at the hivescum talent layout change?
Initially it seems annoying but they're basically free with the changes
stray mulch
legit those 2 perks should just be baked in 🙂
main wagon
I'm more upset about the changed pathing to the Auras
If I saw another HS in lobby I would swap to another Aura so we didn't have redundancy, but now it requires taking a whole talent above each
stray mulch
i guess having tax talents is appropiate
main wagon
Sample Collector is hardly the worst tax node in the world for Anarchist though so I'm chillin
^^
main wagon
Hive Scum paying taxes now that they're part of the Inquisition
It's rough out here
I know what you're talking about, I'm just saying that I'm more upset about the Aura than those lol
stray mulch
aaah
main wagon
I think you're just part of the very small minority that doesn't engage with an entire third of the class lol
stray mulch
i touch melee, but not much of the left side
main wagon
Stimless + Crate is a good setup that still benefits from the changes
stray mulch
i can see that but that cd still gunna be hefty
main wagon
Corruption clearing med crate if you use it with green stim
mighty dew
well I kinda recreated my original build
muted heath
send me your best crowbar builds scum!
manic wolf
I think you're just part of the very small minority that doesn't engage with an ...
I don't either tbf, I don't like paying taxes
main wagon
At first I didn't like drugs
But now I have sample collector
Hey wait a minute...
stray mulch
stim supply is the only fun way to play imo
doesnt feel samey like playing melee not DoT
only reason to play a class is to be unique imo, DoT is just that
manic wolf
At first I didn't like drugs
Oh, I meant Desperado
obsidian cipher
What are the chances fatshark swap boom bringer with blackout so the 25 toughness node isnt a tax one, pls
spice cloud
Tax node 
wheat brook
Fatshark said the penance one is incorrect and they’ll fix it
The event one is right though I think it looks pretty neat
red solar
stim supply is the only fun way to play imo
I’ve just been using desperado and rampage but I should try stimm supply today
Honestly I can see stimm supply just being the best option since the team could probably kill more stuff together with those buffs than hive scum taking rampage/desperado
bronze glade
Tax node <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Tfw 25 toughness is a tax node
main trellis
What are the chances fatshark swap boom bringer with blackout so the 25 toughnes...
Imagine ever even considering toughness+ node to be a tax node
Pepega thinking
astral canyon
i mean it technically is a tax node
but its like the same way i would consider bottom right of vet tree to be tax
its way too fucking good for you to pass up so it might as well just be an autoinclude in every build
also ngl blinders on middle tree and rocket on left would actually be more fitting
rockets are a lot more useful for ranged builds than melee ones since they patch up their biggest weakness of carapace and bulwark shields
and blinders fits the other stagger stuff middle tree has with street tough, bellow and cheap shots
modest patio
Is Float worth taking on Shivs?
astral canyon
ye
combined with riposte you get +40% crit chance after a dodge
also another +12.5% crit chance shivs just have on all their attacks innately
jovial heron
Does scum innate crit add to that?
modest patio
also another +12.5% crit chance shivs just have on all their attacks innately
Do you run both precog and riposte? Or uncanny+riposte?
astral canyon
currently uncanny but precog is also very good if you go that route
specially with chem dep and a finesse stimm
modest patio
I was going to do Chem dep and finesse stim
astral canyon
then precog is really good for that yeah
though you might have to pick the rending on heavy attacks node on rampage to compensate
modest patio
Too many nodes I want and not enough points lol
astral canyon
ye thats why i replaced precog with uncanny
modest patio
do you use str+crit in the stim lab then? or do you still use finesse there
astral canyon
still finesse
my setup reaches 80%+ crit chance immediately after a dodge so i find the finesse more valuable
modest patio
Mind if I see your current talent tree?
I keep trying to fit in Toxic renewal and I think I just dont need it lol
astral canyon
i dont use it either
lemme find it
only thing i changed was swapping out street tough for pocket toxin
modest patio
The only difference is that I don't run numble and was using pocket toxin
unreal stirrup
blinder without pocket toxin?
astral canyon
blinder stagger is still pretty good without it but i did swap out street tough for it
vapid jungle
Its fun with the stagger power talent and rampage for extra blender
main trellis
blinder without pocket toxin?
Can work
torpid cloud
If I'm just sitting in lobby I'm at like 29% crit rate on my taxe mk7
With the dodge talent it's 50%
I specced finesse in my stim, should I go crit rate instead?
I think I'll spec into adrenaline rush instead of Chem dependency for a while since I wanna go for the penance, but the 15% extra crit from it seems delicious
unreal stirrup
Can work
pocket toxin id just insane value
especially with how sample collector is free now
torpid cloud
One stack of toxin kills chaff right quick, which is neat on blinder
Though I usually use my blinder to stun a trapper or something to approach easily
Or to make space to pick up a teammate
manic wolf
blinder without pocket toxin?
In some contexts its better to not
You will tend to get them back faster because you won't be killing stuff with DoTs
unreal stirrup
Or to make space to pick up a teammate
blinder is just very versatile
unreal stirrup
You will tend to get them back faster because you won't be killing stuff with Do...
that not a problem at all unless you tend to spam it
manic wolf
that not a problem at all unless you tend to spam it
I didn't say it was a problem, merely that its an outcome
It depends if you value more on-demand staggers or you value higher potential burst damage
torpid cloud
Since we are on the topic, I find stunning the shield ogryn with my blinder to be inconsistent
Is there some angle or something
unreal stirrup
need direct hit
manic wolf
Even then its inconsistent, its just how they are
unreal stirrup
if in doubt throw them near their feet
torpid cloud
I do enjoy the blender playstyle
Though I need some more practise with rager and rampager swarms
Either alt attack or blinder is my goto but there's a lot of stuff going on sometimes
manic wolf
Either alt attack or blinder is my goto but there's a lot of stuff going on some...
Simply hit the heretics until they fall over
torpid cloud
Simply hit the heretics until they fall over
That also works
Leaves me a bit hurt usually but yeah, works
I'm wondering if, of the mandatory stim nodes, the cleansing one would be worth it over the longer stim in some cases
manic wolf
Longer stim is good if you don't use Chem' Dep', its much less good if you do
Cooldown doesnt start till end of the stim
So by extending its duration, you're at a higher risk of throwing your stack
manic wolf
The cleansing one is decent enough QoL, but is probably only really relevant if you're eating constant chip from poxwalkers or in the puddles havoc modifier
manic wolf
I do
unreal stirrup
it just not that good imo
astral canyon
Much better options to spend that point in
If it was 5 stacks then maybe it could be worth
manic wolf
Quite frankly tho, neither stim node I can in faith call "good", they're kinda just vestigal nodes that don't really offer a whole lot and mostly result in being tax nodes
astral canyon
True
limber cradle
Condensed the tree to free up 3 points, somehow I want even more shit
astral canyon
Another issue is that if you want to take desperado+crit aura or ammo pickup aura+crate you have to take both of those talents
Plus the fact both of them do fuck all for crate
manic wolf
Another issue is that if you want to take desperado+crit aura or ammo pickup aur...
I was about to mention that, its funny that they nerfed Desperado and Vulture's Dodge passively because of those two nodes being where they are
astral canyon
They shouldve just placed sample collector where the +25 toughness node used to be instead of above the auras
limber cradle
I think nimble and alley cat should be where the stimm nodes are tbh
And probably have a little better of pathing out of them
I feel like someone at FS was mad the nodes they liked and made weren't being used
astral canyon
if that was the case it'd straight up be impossible to get gunslinger+crate and crit aura+desperado
since they are mutually exclusive
astral canyon
the better pathing could just be moving sample collector in between the two other stimm nodes
and make it directly connected to each aura and ability
like the +25 toughness node that used to be there
manic wolf
Yeah, sample collector should have been on that row
astral canyon
like this could be fixed by just placing sample collector exactly where that toughness node was
stray mulch
only thing i changed was swapping out street tough for pocket toxin
lmao our rampage tree's are almost identical wtf
i just dont take a mid key stone and take maxed out chems
oh nvm
i dont take stim duration, and went boom bringer
spice cloud
Does voice of tertium work with needler dot now?
stray mulch
only things that affect the needle dot is power and the toxin scaling on the tree
and rending/brittle
astral canyon
Does voice of tertium work with needler dot now?
doesnt seem like it
spice cloud
Damn
astral canyon
spice cloud
Ah well it is what it is
spice cloud
Quick and deadly is ranged and melee tho right?
astral canyon
its all damage
astral canyon
it's not a ranged kill, yeah
wouldnt be the first time needler gets special privileges tho
obsidian cipher
Imagine ever even considering toughness+ node to be a tax node
You wont need eventually, keep improving
stray mulch
wouldnt be the first time needler gets special privileges tho
so dumb lmao...
limber cradle
like the +25 toughness node that used to be there
I'd accept that tbh
astral canyon
that way you dont have to spend an extra tax point to run an ability+aura that are on opposite sides and crate builds dont have to spend 1/2 points on talents that are literally useless for them
spice cloud
only thing i changed was swapping out street tough for pocket toxin
What stimm with this?
astral canyon
though idk what could be placed in the spot sample collector is currently
astral canyon
What stimm with this?
near mauve
average recon vet
leaden pendant
which tac axe is a good fit for rampage build?
modest valley
Is anyone else having issues with loading in as hive scum. I keep getting the disconnected from sever error message when logging in.
manic wolf
which tac axe is a good fit for rampage build?
Whichever one you prefer, they're all good
modest valley
Never mind I'm finally in
main trellis
You wont need eventually, keep improving
leaden pendant
def digging the devils claw
woeful hill
its very very fun
torpid cloud
is devild claw gameplay parry abuse?
lost ravine
against armor sure
mighty belfry
Does parry activate street tough like blocking does?
It's why I don't use it with d claw
jovial heron
Lmao
mighty belfry
It actually messes up my rhythm
jovial heron
Yeah I believe it
lost ravine
overkill is the best kind of kill
mighty belfry
Honestly
limber cradle
I get that but I kinda only use that stagger for dogs anyway lol
limber cradle
I genuinely don't think its a healthy talent to have in the game
It's not
It's more p2w dlc classes ignore CC shit
zenith pagoda
@mighty belfry have you tested if lethal prox increases street tough
mighty belfry
<@109528432425062400> have you tested if lethal prox increases street tough
I don't believe it does.
Its a stagger. Not an explosion.
By that notion, we would have already seen that happening with Vet Shout
zenith pagoda
mighty belfry
And blinders are affected so
I think this requires some testing
That I can't do because I'm working
zenith pagoda
I don't use mods so I can't really test
whole marten
Lovely tammate
team mate hurt you , but that death was on you ... seems like you tilted and the sniper took advantage on that
zenith fern
I just let it happen at that because of brain-dead recon vet
whole marten
so it was tilt ?
zenith fern
Somewhat but was also funny
torpid cloud
Lovely tammate
why does that vid dont work on my end
zenith fern
I don't get too upset in games but Darktide randoms make my brain tingle
zenith fern
why does that vid dont work on my end
Maybe restart discord or install the video
limber cradle
I don't get too upset in games but Darktide randoms make my brain tingle
Stop expecting anything from people
You'll never be disappointed
mighty belfry
I am always disappointed with myself
Well, stop that
zenith fern
Pretty sure that sniper shot was not for me at first but locked on me right as I landed
Scum does not have recon right? I barely pay attention his ranged arsenal
zenith fern
If scum ever got access to recon, it would be the end of public matches
jovial heron
Hahahahahahahha
manic wolf
If scum ever got access to recon, it would be the end of public matches
No! Pickpocket was nerfed! Scum is dead now and noone will play it! Reee!!!
mighty belfry
It's more p2w dlc classes ignore CC shit
Honestly feels like they pulled a helldivers
limber cradle
Elaborate
mighty belfry
Specialist behavior worsens
Paid content is released that actively counters this issue for some of them
It reminds me of Arrowhead hearing all the complaints about ragdolling
Just to release a warbond with an armor
And the passive, makes it harder to ragdoll.
limber cradle
So
Just like needler and tox got introduced into another rot season
Contamination and one of the stimm nodes being very good into it got introduced at the same time again
mighty belfry
Street Tough feels like it's there to sell Scum more because it lets you ignore something that's become more of an issue than ever.
limber cradle
So I do think it's a bit like The Psyker Problem
mighty belfry
I'm not sure I vibe with that kind of balancing for paid classes at all
limber cradle
Where most psyker players suck right
But if yk what you're doing it's a stupid class
Most scum players suck
mighty belfry
But good scum players
limber cradle
Trivialize the whole game lol
zenith fern
What was street tough again
limber cradle
It's the knock things back on melee
Up every 6 or 8 seconds I think
Auto removes dogs
Negates a ton of chip
mighty belfry
And it's so much more prominent because the thing Street Tough can counter, is something good players can abuse heavily
low harbor
It's the knock things back on melee
does it work if u block the attack
limber cradle
does it work if u block the attack
I believe so, yes.
mighty belfry
I can't even recommend using it for newer players because it will straight up not allow them to learn the game properly.
zenith fern
It's the knock things back on melee
Oh that, eepy talent
mighty belfry
does it work if u block the attack
D claw is impossible to use to its full potential with Street Tough
Because the parry also will proc it
It is extremely dumb
limber cradle
The cooldown is what's wild to me
Like what do you mean
6 second or so CD on some of the most insane free survival in game
mighty belfry
Like I'm not even mad about the actual effect. I'm mad about how often it kicks in
Dude even a minute cooldown
limber cradle
That shit could be on CD for a fucking minute and it's still be good
limber cradle
Dude even a minute cooldown
mighty belfry
But yeah I just
Cannot see this talent staying this way
But I'm also concerned they're not gonna nerf it enough.
limber cradle
I would like for it to be nerfed but am unsure of it happening.
limber cradle
But I'm also concerned they're not gonna nerf it enough.
People would freak out if 6 seconds to 60 seconds, maybe they do it incrementally
I think I'm dropping it and uhhh
Tox toughness
For tertium welcome and float
mighty belfry
I tried tox toughness on d claw build last night
It ain't it
You can't really benefit from that talent
If everything just dies too fast lmao
Skullcrusher op
limber cradle
Exactly how I feel about it
mighty belfry
That being said
limber cradle
I thought it'd be neat if I was weaving around elites and proccing on hordes but like Precision Violence+all your other stupid regen talents just overtake it so fast.
mighty belfry
Virulent?
limber cradle
Ye
mighty belfry
I believe it reapplies as long as the enemy is still inflicted with toxin?
I may be wrong
limber cradle
That's kind of insane on shivs with crit tox if it reapplies every single time
zenith pagoda
It's only really useful for crushers and monsters
mighty belfry
Nah I don't think it does
But its really easy to reapply anyway
Because as long as you hit them at all, even if the stacks run out, they're still debuffed for the duration.
manic wolf
D claw is impossible to use to its full potential with Street Tough
That talent honestly has caused me more problems than solutions with a whole bunch of weapons
mighty belfry
That talent honestly has caused me more problems than solutions with a whole bun...
Yeah I got tired of it really quickly.
It is 100% an s+ tier talent
But its also disruptive to my flow of combat
And I don't like that.
manic wolf
Yeah, its weird having everything suddenly stagger because you blocked something or a poxwalker tickled your buttcheeks
Not comfortable to play with
mighty belfry
I see it being incredible on ranged builds though
Since it basically nullifies the one real threat they have lol
manic wolf
Ranged builds have threats?
limber cradle
Their user lol
manic wolf
mighty belfry
Tru
mighty belfry
It's only really useful for crushers and monsters
It helps in higher havoc with elites
limber cradle
It just doesn't play nice with the guns I prefer
mighty belfry
Cuz I don't run needle Pistol,
manic wolf
Agreed, but BPistol tickles the Ork brain better
limber cradle
I like Bistol reload a lot
manic wolf
It makes heretics explode into chunks, automatic S-tier
tranquil fjord
adrenaline frenzy should really do more for crit builds
actually, i remember seeing some datamined possibilities for talents
limber cradle
It's gonna be hard to beat "hey want some free crit?" for crit builds ngl
tranquil fjord
more finesse and also some crit?
limber cradle
Maybe, but it'd have to be a fair bit
manic wolf
adrenaline frenzy should really do more for crit builds
It kinda does quite a lot because it boosts the damage going into said crits
Also, swing fast = more crit in a given timeframe (if RNG blesses you)
zenith pagoda
adrenaline frenzy should really do more for crit builds
That's the only problem with it tbh
But I think I might use it anyway
If shivs have 12.5% base, scum 10%, aura 5%, node 5%, float 20%, riposte 20%
jovial heron
Is scum 10 or 12.5?
tranquil fjord
10+5 usually
i havent been able to open darktide to check lately
also, would be hard to check without the crit chance mod
unreal stirrup
it still work
unreal stirrup
Idk if 12.5 includes that or is extra
iirc knife and shiv don't have real crit chance shown with the mod unless you're attacking
tender forge
anyone manmaged to come up with a good fentlord setup?
my thoughts, but I'm missing 20% crit and slippery customer
tranquil fjord
it still work
have you been able to play?
zenith fern
I almost feel bad running it lol
Oi oi rotundfish, more cannonballs for the cannon class
tranquil fjord
my copy has a problem with shaders and immediately crashes
unreal stirrup
delete shader cache in document folder
mighty belfry
Also, be careful with stimm crate if you use scoreboard
Cuz there's a crash related to those right now
I think they already released a fix for it
zenith fern
delete shader cache in document folder
Hold up, you can delete the cache in the files?
unreal stirrup
use powerdi instead because scoreboard unironically make your performance worse
lost ravine
delete street tough when
zenith fern
Delete scum and psyker when
rotund agate
delete street tough when
what's wrong with it?
zenith fern
what's wrong with it?
No need to exist for scum
unreal stirrup
for some reason ui mod really fuck with performance in this game
lost ravine
what's wrong with it?
"hmm today i will put gromril armor on the slayer class"
it does not fit the class and is powerful beyond reason
unreal stirrup
slayer with gun
rotund agate
"hmm today i will put gromril armor on the slayer class"
ohhh... yeah, thanks for helping it make sense.
zenith fern
Petition to rebrand Scum as death star rank class
This game will never have a real glass cannon character
tranquil fjord
scum is already an evasion tank pretty much
zenith pagoda
Scum is still fragile but after the buffs there is more of a safety net
Which shouldn't really be there I agree
mighty belfry
It's far too safe of a net
tender forge
I am annoyed by the stimm supply tax node that does nothing
mighty belfry
That talent is an issue
mighty belfry
Scum rework #3 when
tender forge
Both the stim talents are pretty ass
yup
tender forge
tax node makes me miss slippery customer
zenith pagoda
I would rather have to take a 25 toughness than that tbh
tender forge
unreal stirrup
the 25 toughness is free
zenith pagoda
Ik
tender forge
mainly because there are too many fun things in the fent keystone now
unreal stirrup
you don't even need to go out of your way for sample collector
zenith pagoda
Eh I think it was fine where it was, it's optimized for toxin builds