hivescum-class

[lost ravine]

and here i thought i was just lagging

[limber cradle]

Alley rat puts me further than I'd like to be a lot

[woeful hill]

Dodge linger too strong

Plus longer dodge state for dodge buffs

[limber cradle]

Nimbles linger+the fact it's just flat out faster is nicer

[manic wolf]

Nah game is running like pure shit at the moment. Silent specials left right an centre, massive fluctuations in FPS and connectivity issues

[limber cradle]

DT update? Yk what that means

Optimization is somehow even worse than it was prior

[manic wolf]

I'm loving it, but its gonna take some getting used to

[astral canyon]

Fish

[limber cradle]

I still heavily prefer nimble

I feel like I have way more control over it

[manic wolf]

Yeah I mean, you literally do

A slide-dodge with Alley Rat sends you fucking miles

[stray mulch]

bro the game is unplayable

crash into abort on every one

[limber cradle]

Yeah, it's cool but it isn't for me

[stray mulch]

wtf is up with FS

[limber cradle]

Kinda like forges

[manic wolf]

Yeah im not so keen on Forges either

[limber cradle]

Especially now that street tough exists

[manic wolf]

Not sure about the new knockback one, should probably take it whilst the game is running like dog, but havent thus far

[limber cradle]

It's stupidly good

Free dog be gone

Free anti chip too

[stray mulch]

I'm pretty sure nimble is melee oriented and alley cat is more for ranged.

gun gameplay

[limber cradle]

I just prefer the dodge control nimble gives me

They're faster which means I spend less time dodging and more time killing

[stray mulch]

Nimble is nice for Float like a Butterfly

[limber cradle]

I don't use float tbh

[stray mulch]

not a fan of free crit?

[limber cradle]

I am but

I'm more of a fan of other things

[manic wolf]

Its not free, you have to spend points on it

[limber cradle]

My scum build atm

[stray mulch]

idk what you are talking about, I made a build and it was just sitting there. I used all 29 out of 29 points

[limber cradle]

I might drop tox toughness?

Idk

[manic wolf]

It literally takes skill point expenditure

[limber cradle]

It's free passive toughness gen which is great

[limber cradle]

I believe they're being facetious

[stray mulch]

nah man its a 0/29 talent. Might as well be a built in passive

[brittle sierra]

Jittery is a crux node

Change my mind

[limber cradle]

Crux or crutch

It's defo a crutch node but it feels stupidly good.

[stray mulch]

so are street tough, nimble and alley cat

they are still pretty good too tho

[manic wolf]

Not doing a good job of it tbh

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

Im sure they have a complaints box somewhere for you.

[stray mulch]

you just dont know how to spend your 29 points 🙁

[manic wolf]

No doubt

[stray mulch]

sorry. but jkes aside it is just sitting there

[limber cradle]

I liked the node in old tree

But new tree just had so much shit I want

[stray mulch]

the dependancy side is chalk full of fun

watching things burn while team mates take the last tic of hp

[limber cradle]

Eh

Sometimes

[stray mulch]

but also watching the Monster HP drain while you kite it XD

[limber cradle]

Aye

I look at a dog and think "free dot damage" now

[stray mulch]

i like dependance with rampage too, but ill finish with that when im done setling on a booby trap set up

still think if i should sit at 45s or 27s cd

[limber cradle]

I run a full 75 second stimm

[stray mulch]

i can't because im ''dependent'' on the stimmies

[limber cradle]

I run chem dep too

I never really have issues keeping it up

[stray mulch]

but like whats your cd?

can youn use them back to back or no?

[limber cradle]

Depends on how much shit is around me to feed sample collector

[stray mulch]

for me im trying to either have low down time on the booby traps or no down time because its the main way i regain toughness outside of combat

at 27s its 7 seconds of down time and at 21 it's basically free

anything past 21 needs at least 5 kills at 27 i think from the math i did earlier and 45 needs something like 20

[limber cradle]

I like killing, the drugs like killing

It's a mutually beneficial arrangement

[stray mulch]

fair, but sometimes in these clutches against bosses

that bomb comes in handy

I think if it's anything other than the booby trap, I wouldn't mind going for the full 75s

[manic wolf]

It's more compelling than it was in the previous tree

[stray mulch]

now if they would make blackout count any close range kill and upped it by like 10 i would like that

but as of now it only counts actual melee kills and the needle pistol DoT

which is dumb that the DoT from the needle pistol works but no other DoT does

[main wagon]

Nah just playing to have fun but the people are so unbelievably hopeless haha

Finally get to try out the night mode

[mighty belfry]

Its so weird how I'm having the opposite experience here

But that's probably because I'm also not running the hyper mobile weapons with it

[stray mulch]

1st roll of the day

[mighty belfry]

Alley rat helps me close distance on targets I typically wouldn't be getting to without that dodge distance which is letting me be way more aggressive

[stray mulch]

i win!

[limber cradle]

Alley rat seems like default opinion from what I can tell

[limber cradle]

I mean you've seen my set up

[mighty belfry]

Ya

[limber cradle]

I just dodge a lot and they come back fast

[limber cradle]

Yeah see I'm on shivs and stubs

When I dodge with alley rat I go 5 miles

[mighty belfry]

Then shrimply

[stray mulch]

you dodging off of boxes, ledges and stairs?

[mighty belfry]

Stop running shivs

[stray mulch]

shit launches you XD

Even on the bone saw

[limber cradle]

Nah

Like shivs

Like the funny throw

[stray mulch]

i got into a closed area by launching off of a ledge

the one where you have to put the bombs on the wall

no where close to the ledge btw, i just get in

[limber cradle]

Not purposefully but it happens

It's gotten me killed before

[stray mulch]

yeah

flying into random ravines is part of the experience

[torpid cloud]

i should prolly path towards chem dependency soon huh

[limber cradle]

I've been popped into the air into a crusher overhead

That was nifty

[stray mulch]

yikes

i still want to punch the person who okayed damage and stopping power on this damn needle pistol

like why not reload speed?

[manic wolf]

Hmm, it strikes me as Desperado and Vulture's Dodge both got passive nerfs with the new tree

You're losing out on the 5% crit aura unless you wanna take both stim nodes

[stray mulch]

sacrifices

[torpid cloud]

am i on the right path with this

its been working

[limber cradle]

The stimm nodes being obligatory is so weird

[stray mulch]

i like blackout but i think its only really good with the toxin passive

[limber cradle]

Cause like I don't want either of them

[stray mulch]

i am a bit weird tho

[torpid cloud]

i like not having to take nades

and im mainly after the stun anyway

[stray mulch]

well the corruption one actually stops you from dying due to the max life lowering during a time out in expeditions

if you can keep it up long enough

its funny

[limber cradle]

Neat, I still wouldn't take it if not obligated tho

[brittle sierra]

Yes Scum struggles at staggering Bullwalks and Ragers

[stray mulch]

yeah, fair. IMO its better than 5 sec stim duration

i feel like that 5s is troll

maybe not so much for rampage now that i think about it

just use a cdr stimmy, and get kills

[manic wolf]

It is an odd choice for sure

They're not even overly impactful outside of the puddles Havoc modifer

An in some instances 5s additional duration on Stimm could be considered actively detrimental

[limber cradle]

Yeah like it's nice QoL that it cleanses corruption rn

[limber cradle]

Imo it's horrid

Like why do I want my chem dep timer ticking 5 seconds longer

When I could be getting my stimm back

[manic wolf]

Ye

Like I would have been happier if they were straight up removed from the tree entirely tbh

They give us a free extra dodge and scrap that talent in lew of making us spend points on those fucking nodes

[stray mulch]

im sure FS sees all the videos about the talents from 3 months ago

they did it to troll ppl

or at least put a road block you gotta path around if not through

they technically could have just baked it into the kit and put something else there if they wanted to nerf that aspect

[limber cradle]

I think the best option is to put alley cat and nimble there with better pathing from auras

[stray mulch]

would be the only solution

free up a skill pooint to, get rid of them XD

or at least put them into another node

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I could take punching up or something

[stray mulch]

like why no node that gives a conditional base on using stims other than corruption healing?

or duration

like a talent that said + whatever when you use a stim, or when its on cooldown

FS doesnt have gamers in their group

[unreal stirrup]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15711be-703e-47fd-94ee-cb2fa9c51dd7/aaa-3

[mighty belfry]

I haven't tried knife scum since update

I need to

Wait

Assassin???

[unreal stirrup]

what is assassin again

i forgor

[mighty belfry]

The subnode for adrenaline that makes only weakspots give stacks

But its two instead

Which

[unreal stirrup]

yeah i like it better on knife

[mighty belfry]

Isn't very good actually.

In most cases

[unreal stirrup]

since you can have adreneline up when fighting cara pack + bossing

[mighty belfry]

I mean fair.

I would just rather have the extended duration if I'll be real

Knife attacks fast enough for it to be consistent to me

[unreal stirrup]

im sure its 2 additional stack so youre getting 3 per weakspot

4 on crit

i just dont liike smiter outside of caxe tbh

since it pretty much just make adrenaline useful for horde clear

[eager reef]

shame scum didnt get any desert themed cosmetics

but we expected that

[mighty belfry]

Two extra on weakspot hit but none on normal hits at all ya

Crits still give stacks tho

[unreal stirrup]

it still startup pretty fast anyway even with slower weapon compare to baseline

problem is upkeep which is why i pick 20s

10 melee weakspot hit is like the first 8 seconds in a engagement

[limber cradle]

I kinda like weak spot gen for adrenaline tbh

I defo prefer it to elite kills

[mighty belfry]

Honestly I just think it's the fact that you have to use a point for it

That really turns me away from it

[unreal stirrup]

most people say smiter is better but as i said it pretty much make adrenaline only active during horde dclear

[mighty belfry]

It's on demand forced stagger

On activation and deactivation

Street Tough stagger isn't as strong as Forge's

[limber cradle]

I don't use forges fwiw but I do use street tough

I use nimble but I also don't like forges

I get why people do tho

[unreal stirrup]

street tough is also anti dog defense

8s cd is extremely low considering how often you can get away from bs with scum mobility

I would pick forge too but nimble is fun

if only they let us pick nimble + alley lmao

that would be dogshit

[low harbor]

yea people do NOT know how to play obj in this game

[limber cradle]

I've seen people struggle to figure out the jumping puzzles man

Expeditions is the "oh so you think you can solo carry?" mode

[unreal stirrup]

is expedition fixed

[limber cradle]

Define fixed

[unreal stirrup]

I haven't try expedition because

[warm axle]

i had a failure at mission valk exit so no

[unreal stirrup]

the horror

[warm axle]

but i didnt dc a single time today so thats a plus

[main wagon]

I think a lot of people are very used to having hallways they can hide in and being exposed is a whole new ballgame

I am slaving the hyper mobility class though so ya know...grain of salt and all that

[leaden pendant]

love the crowbar for everything except the special after using it a lot more.

[astral canyon]

How to fix crowbar (and chain weapons as well)
Step 1: make latch attacks actually scale with attack speed

Done

[main wagon]

Oh no

New Hadron line discovered

[warm axle]

the sound effect too, i need to hear 50% faster chainsawing

[main wagon]

"Be a good cheer, Varlets..." kind of sounds like "Be a good chair, Varlets..."

[warm axle]

max speed chainsword m1 spam is music to my ears

[main wagon]

We cant give them this

[manic wolf]

Well, thats it, the locals are gonna be in full revolt

[red solar]

you ever play nothing but hivescum for 1-2 days then go back to the other classes and you're like damn hivescum is truly a crazy class

night and day with the movement, but on the human sized classes you do have the dueling sword and combat blade

[red solar]

hivescum makes a lot of weapons more enjoyable with the attack speed

like usually yea those chainswords are more sluggish

and the axes aswell since they usually swing bit slow

[modest patio]

I think I try some heavy sword tonight, I’ve been convinced

[leaden pendant]

the devils claw feels great

[torpid cloud]

should i go adrenaline frenzy actualy

i still need that penance

[cunning hawk]

head taker/slaughter spree pretty good for tac axe?

[manic wolf]

Scum has Combat Blade

[red solar]

yea ofc

[manic wolf]

It can be if you can reliably keep it proc'd

Combat Blade on Scum might actually be meta for this new mode

Lets you survive immesuareable quantities of bullshit

[red solar]

wonder how it pairs against shivs cause that is what I use for right now

[manic wolf]

I mean, try it an find out

[red solar]

[torpid cloud]

this is where ill leave it for tonight
debating going adrenaline frenzy for the penance

crit chance kinda low tbh

actually no with dodge its at 50%

[leaden pendant]

Anyone enjoy mk3 shivs?

[brittle sierra]

Nope

Because the class I try out next is Psyker 😈

[bronze glade]

There’s dozens of us. Dozens!

[leaden pendant]

are they still decent at single target? I feel like a bunch of horde clear weapons do better against single target than expected

[stray mulch]

can confirm this slaps, i clutched so hard i might be constipated after the game i just had

alley cat and street tough are 100% crutches and im not good enough to play without them now

[manic wolf]

Eww, box build

Imagine sharing your stims with the Arbs

Shame

[stray mulch]

BOX SAVED LIVES!

[zenith pagoda]

I really want to use them but they are so ass against armour

[leaden pendant]

ah ok ty

[stray mulch]

1 solo clutch for like 13 mins of running around almost dying

[manic wolf]

Knife > Shivs, thats just how it be

[stray mulch]

was sitting on 27 life for a hot minute

then at the end the zelot kept me from taking any damage lmao

[zenith pagoda]

Just give me power sword

Alley rat + jittery would solve the movement issue

[stray mulch]

dont need jittery if you never run out of dodges

though it is actually nice

[zenith pagoda]

On power sword you will

[stray mulch]

.>

[mighty belfry]

I wanna play havoc rn 😭

I was having fun with hsword

[stray mulch]

have fun with the mini crashes

[mighty belfry]

Mini crashes?

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah I'm not playing until they fix frame gen

[stray mulch]

when the game freezes you get the little loading icon, it's a crash

[mighty belfry]

Oh.

Forgot about that

Honestly didn't experience it last night when I was playing

[zenith pagoda]

There's a new bug when exiting psykertorium too

[mighty belfry]

Oh

Yeah

Everyone aggros on you as soon as you prompt to leave

[zenith pagoda]

How does one achieve such bugs

[mighty belfry]

Pasta

[zenith pagoda]

I mean the base movement system, animations, ragdolls, all interacting with tonnes of separate AI is genuinely an insane feat

It's just overshadowed by the performance and bugs

[stray mulch]

doesnt frame gen usually do like nothing? If the game can't keep up it sometimes just lag input -- in other game even if the frame are being generated outside of what you are able to refresh since it's fake data on screen you can't really do anything with it sometimes

never used it for DT so im mostly asking if you ever get dropped inputs when it's on

[zenith pagoda]

I've never used it outside of darktide so I really don't know, but all I know is, my game is literally unplayable without it

[stray mulch]

dang

FS gets all this money and what do they do with it?

[zenith pagoda]

I have 13th gen i5 and 3080, so not a bad system at all. But if I don't use frame gen, I get HUGE stutters and FPS drops

When I enable it, I'm at a smooth constant 165 FPS (my Hz)

[stray mulch]

sec

can you go to the start up window?

[zenith pagoda]

I don't even think it's a GPU issue because when I lower all my graphics it doesn't make a difference

I think the bottleneck is ram speed

[zenith pagoda]

Why

[stray mulch]

do you know how to get to this screen?

on lower gen models you can limit the threads

it mostly affect cpu load but can also help with gpu load

as long as you arent at max

[zenith pagoda]

Why would you want to limit threads?

[stray mulch]

to avoid stutters

to much work load is something that can actually cause that a lot

[zenith pagoda]

Hmm I think I tried it before but it didn't make much difference, maybe it does.. but then I still have way less fps

[stray mulch]

is the thread count max less than 10?

i would say lower it to half but if half is like 4, it might not be worth

[manic wolf]

It made no difference to my game, I think FS just done fucked something up this patch

[zenith pagoda]

I'm not on my pc ATM but I think it was 18 lmao

[brittle sierra]

The game isn't designed beyond 30 meters

[stray mulch]

i lowered it and i dont get stutters

didnt stop the crashing tho

[zenith pagoda]

Darktide requires XMP enabled for everything too lol

[stray mulch]

still poorly optimized after so many years

i dont want to have to go back into the file to edit it, i just got back into the game and that will 100% kill it for me

but not being able to play on my off days is rough buddy

in the last 2 hrs i got exactly one game that didnt crash

or have a dc in it

[zenith pagoda]

Oh I also didn't mention I don't use mods at all

[stray mulch]

i dont use mods

the ppl in this community made me despise them

not worth getting into

[zenith pagoda]

Tbh none of them are that useful to me

Apart from scoreboard

And party/friend UI

[stray mulch]

scoreboard is the worst offender of many problems i have with ppl

especially the ones that play to farm the numbers

[zenith pagoda]

It's just nice to see stats of the build

[manic wolf]

The funny numbers must go up

[stray mulch]

i get that, you might not be the kind of person i have enmity towards

[blissful gull]

how does CDR on trinkets work? does it mutiplicitvely or additively reduce your ability cooldown?

[astral canyon]

Pinned guide on #veteran-class explains it

Dont remember the exact explanation rn

[zenith pagoda]

I think it's just reduces time entirely

[stray mulch]

reduces the base amount

[main wagon]

^^

[stray mulch]

take VoC. If you have 3x 4% Ability Cooldown it will be 12% or 0.12. Yo multiply the 40 by 0.12 and subtract that number from the 40, that's the new base you work with

35.2 seconds

[blissful gull]

is chem dep good to take if you're only getting the crit node from it?

[stray mulch]

yea

even for rampage

[blissful gull]

idk if I should respec into adrenaline frenzy

[astral canyon]

Yes

The crit node is the primary reason you even take chem dep in the first place

[stray mulch]

if you can keep it up with less duration i think maxed out is good too, since its an extra 5% crit and 10% cdr

[astral canyon]

Eh not really

Only one extra stack isnt worth it

[blissful gull]

reckon I should change anything with my build?

[astral canyon]

Specially with the extra downside of shorter duration

[astral canyon]

What weapons are you using?

[blissful gull]

shivs and needle pistol. same as last patch lol.

[stray mulch]

i think that minimizes the value 10% crd and 5% crit is

[astral canyon]

If it was 5 stacks i could see it being worth tho

[stray mulch]

but to each their own

if you don't need it or want it i cant say take it

[astral canyon]

Take hyperviolence over battering strike i think

[astral canyon]

Its just not really worth the point

[blissful gull]

my crit rate is like 92.5% I nevre get hyperviolence to trigger

[astral canyon]

Wdym

[stray mulch]

if you arent that means you arent doing enough damage, but also i think that's impossible

if you hit a dude for 101 and they are at 1 your next swing takes over that 25

[blissful gull]

because my crit rate is so high, I don't often get enough low health enemies to stack hyperviolence on with overkill damage

[stray mulch]

its always active if you are killing something technically

[blissful gull]

I just tap light and then hypercrit instant slays however many poxwalkers I tapped

[astral canyon]

Just use a heavy attack on some random poxwalker

And hypercrit doesnt proc if the enemy wouldve died without it

[blissful gull]

i can see the hypercrit proc going off in H40 the psykanium when I do that tho

[astral canyon]

Literally fucking how

How the fuck is a shiv heavy not doing enough damage to instakill a poxwalker

[stray mulch]

its grey

actually i dont even think that could be the case either XD

[astral canyon]

How do you even know if hypercrit is proccing

[stray mulch]

you would just need to know the damage and total hp of the target

almost all the maths in the game is doable if you actually try

base hp - base damage with modifyers

if base damage can get hp to double its value or less, it will proc

[astral canyon]

its a fucking shiv heavy attack in a melee build on a fucking poxwalker it should fucking instakill it

regardless of hypercrit

[stray mulch]

i think they might be misunderstanding something maybe

[stray mulch]

can we get you to share the shiv?

[lost ravine]

lobster too buttery

can't carry overkill along because you kill things on the spot anyway

[stray mulch]

yeah the crit doesnt really have much to do with it either i think

[reef spoke]

too much hypercrit procs? brb doubling ogryn spawns

problem solved UwU

[astral canyon]

again hypercrit only procs if the enemy wouldve otherwise survived the attack

[stray mulch]

^

if you hit a dude with 100 hp for 150, hypercrit does nothing and hyper violence will take 14.5 damage over

[reef spoke]

speaking of hypercrit, are mutants "human sized"?

[stray mulch]

if you hit a dude with 100 hp for 50 damage hypercrit will see that the remaining hp is eaqual to or less than the damage dealt and kill it for you

[reef spoke]

they don't seem to be but wished to ask to be sure

[molten shale]

Mutants are human-sized

[reef spoke]

ah ok, I probably need to tune my shivs then :c

[blissful gull]

487.5 is havoc 40 poxwalker health. Shiv crit weatspot hit is 426 no buffs so not enough to kill. Also, I forgot to tap F and apply buffs lol

when running all buffs its 426 x (1+0.1+0.25+0.15) x 1.75 = 1118 damage, leading to a 157 damage buff for the next attack.

[astral canyon]

yeah with buffs it should be more than enough

[blissful gull]

which is like a 14% damage buff on the next attack

[astral canyon]

keep in mind it also applies to the light attacks

[blissful gull]

is it worth dropping the cleave on the shivs though for a condition 14% damage buff that requires me to heavy attack every second to make it work?

[astral canyon]

yes

[stray mulch]

100%

[astral canyon]

you could also drop jittery

you already have nimble and 5 dodges so jittery is pretty unnecessary there

and also street tough

[blissful gull]

nimble gives you 0.15 s of total range immunity on dodge

[astral canyon]

i mean yeah

[stray mulch]

nimble enables Float Like a Butterfly

[astral canyon]

even less reason to take jittery

[stray mulch]

i wouldn't give it up

jittery low key is only needed if you feel like the crutch helps a lot more than anything else would

imo

ie; you suck just as bad or worse than me

[blissful gull]

it lets you play super agressively since you can just grab walk into the gunner firing line with total impunity

[astral canyon]

i mean

you could also just slide

[stray mulch]

or just pull out a gun for like half a second

[lost ravine]

i mean so do normal dodges

[stray mulch]

enable as in the sense of making something easier to achieve

to enable something

.>

[jovial heron]

Enabler

[stray mulch]

to enable

we shouldnt do this

[jovial heron]

Lmao

[stray mulch]

it IS something that can easily be googled

[blissful gull]

the reason I like the jittery nimble combo is because it lets you chain the 0.15 seconds of ranged immunity from nimble into the slide ranged immunity, and then regain both those dodges as soon as you stand up. you don't need to do the 0.1 second of sprint you normally do between slides, so you don't really have downtime between your windows of ranged immunity. like 90% of the time it doesn't matter, but I swear on PUBs with gunner seeds its run saving.

do you think I should just kill hyper crit for hyper violence?

[astral canyon]

no

[blissful gull]

you think its better than violence?

[astral canyon]

best is having both

[stray mulch]

^

personally i pref hyper crit over hyper violence because it requires less braincells

swing and something might die

or not

[lost ravine]

hypercrit also applies to ranged

[stray mulch]

it doesnt

[astral canyon]

thats hyperviolence

hypercrit is melee only

[lost ravine]

what

[blissful gull]

both are melee only

[mighty belfry]

Is this regarding hyperviolence

That

[stray mulch]

hyperviolence can take the damage from the kill with a ranged attack and apply it to your next melee iirc

[mighty belfry]

Is not a 14% damage buff

[blissful gull]

it is

[stray mulch]

but critical strikes specifically references melee. -- at least in this instance

[mighty belfry]

It literally is not.

[topaz adder]

yeah huh

[hot moth]

I'm late to the patch, but it looks like they did it; they actually made pickpocket require a melee attack to proc, and not just let you chain ranged attacks infinitely?

[topaz adder]

yes

[mighty belfry]

Hyperviolence can ramp infinitely under the right circumstances.

[astral canyon]

yes

in compensation scum received a million other buffs

[hot moth]

honestly to me that -is- a buff

[blissful gull]

read it carefully. I think you're reading the line of all buffs applied to attacks without hyperviolence. its a 14% damage buff after one heavy attack with shivs.

[topaz adder]

scum stocks up crazy

[stray mulch]

it is a variable increase

14% is only 14% because you make it so in this case. It really is X%

[hot moth]

i hated that the optimal way to play ranged scum was just to hold down the trigger in basically all circumstances

[astral canyon]

so the class is even more fucking busted

[mighty belfry]

Which will increase

[hot moth]

weapon swapping and sneaking in melee kills is -fun-

[lost ravine]

i am not sure this is factual

[blissful gull]

its a 14% damage buff after one heavy attack crit precision kill on poxwalker. that's all I said.

[mighty belfry]

But you were saying if it was worth losing cleave for a conditional 14% buff for doing heavies per second

[stray mulch]

so then it starts at 14% is what you meant to say there no?

[mighty belfry]

It will not stay 14% in actual practice.

[stray mulch]

not that it's just a flat 14%

[mighty belfry]

At all

[stray mulch]

^

[topaz adder]

i feel like this could use better language

[mighty belfry]

It's why it's such an incredibly powerful talent

[stray mulch]

thank you for sharing it

[stray mulch]

reference the pic above having hyper-critical

[jovial heron]

Looks like ranged damage can boost hyperviolence but it boosts melee attacks specifically

Not sure

[stray mulch]

yeah thats what i was saying

ppl think i cap for some reason

[mighty belfry]

So to answer your question, hyperviolence >>>>>>>>>> more cleave

[stray mulch]

ty again

[jovial heron]

Nah I trust you Kuro

[mighty belfry]

Unless the weapon simply isn't that good at getting overkill to be coverted

Like crowbar for example

[stray mulch]

TBF it's always a good thing to see skepticism. It means that those in the community are learning

[jovial heron]

Eh I dunno about that

[stray mulch]

ppl acquiese too easily

[jovial heron]

/s

[stray mulch]

mostly then?

idk

i like seeing it

[jovial heron]

Lmao I was messing with you

[blissful gull]

if you continue to overkill, and the problem with that is that with hypercrit you're arleady one tapping poxwalkers on light attacks. so in practice you're building up a damage buff that can only be used against elites. the problem with that is that in havoc 40 ragers have 3000 health, so the you're going to get like one pop of your hyperviolence and then be out of luck unless you've been farming by heavy attacking 9 pox walkers in a row.

[jovial heron]

Group discussion is good. Having a META so locked and loaded that there is zero discussion around it is boring and stale

[mighty belfry]

You don't need to constantly heavy attack for this accumulation though

[jovial heron]

Respectful discussion

[stray mulch]

actually can you link me that page?

im still cooking something up and the info might be very useful

[blissful gull]

to get the 14% increase on loop you do.

[mighty belfry]

Once you do enough overkill, you reach a threshold where even your lights will start to do crazy amounts of overkill.

[jovial heron]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

[mighty belfry]

Because the overkill is flatly added to the value of your damage.

[stray mulch]

and? you killed a rager

[jovial heron]

I am thinking I want to take my streettough point and just pick up jittery. ABD (always be dodging)

[stray mulch]

i think you are valuing the scaling too heavily

just take it to help kill if it can help kill fast

personally if you dont want to that's fine

but if you ask if it's worth i think most will say yes

[blissful gull]

It's two heavy attacks with hyper crit.

[stray mulch]

2 less idiots you have to worry about grabbing at your cheeks 🙂

[manic wolf]

Hyperviolence is the single best skill in the game.

[jovial heron]

It’s good I don’t know if it’s best

[stray mulch]

best is wild

[mighty belfry]

It's class defining at least.

[blissful gull]

I'm trying to figure out whether or not to use violence or crit; The hyper violence scaling is really good, but if you're kiting you can lose it really quick. I've used both and I think I only have space to take one.

[manic wolf]

You literally get paid for nuking the fuck out of enemies. Its goated

[stray mulch]

but its a methodology i wouldnt mind subscribing to

[blissful gull]

I don't necesarily prefer hyper crit, I just feel werid deciding between the two

[hot nexus]

Is bonesaw good now

[stray mulch]

okay, imma be honest

[reef spoke]

it's bad because it's melee and REAL players mag dump poxwalkers

[hot nexus]

[stray mulch]

they said use both preferably

[manic wolf]

Desperado enjoyer spotted

[stray mulch]

because they are complementary

if you ask him he says violence

i say crit

less brain work

[reef spoke]

I have unbound my melee key

[stray mulch]

general horde clear

crit will cover what violence does not get

[manic wolf]

The answer to everything is violence, and if its not, you're not using enough of it

[stray mulch]

when violence stops ramping crit will continue to help you kill hordies

[stray mulch]

oh no

where's me rocket?

[blissful gull]

crit makes it harder to start the hyper-violence chain a lot of the time. like if I don't have all buffs up, hyper-crit will instant kill a poxwalker, and prevent me from getting a nice hyperviolence damage bonus from killing that walker with a follow up attack.

[stray mulch]

again, that is false, they do not interact with one another directly

[jovial heron]

That’s with no sub nodes

[stray mulch]

if you would get the kill without h.crit it will never be activated

[blissful gull]

It's completely true. if hyper crit instantly kills a target, then that means that target is no longer alive (and at low Health) for me to hit with a follow up attack and stack tons of hyperviolence

[stray mulch]

they can work in tandem to help kill things, but never actually bother one another

[manic wolf]

I am aware, but its on Psyker, which means its automatically dogshit

[jovial heron]

Lmao

Man scum are starting to sound like Ogryn

[main wagon]

Why did Reginald have to go "hey guys look at my gary guardsman build"

All these nooblets running around with literal bot loadouts just dropping like flies

[blissful gull]

this is the problem I'm getting at. its not that hyperviolence cucks crit, its that crit makes it slower to ramp up hyperviolence.

[jovial heron]

Because he wants views?

[manic wolf]

It does not

[stray mulch]

again i think you need to lower the actual importance of the node

[reef spoke]

I hope so

[blissful gull]

which node?

[stray mulch]

it's legit feast or famine [hyper violence] Talent*

[jovial heron]

I was doing damnation while leveling and I kid you not the other 3 downed almost 20 times

[stray mulch]

you either eat good and stack up with a nice chain or you don't. but not because you get a lesser value does that mean its no longer worth

[manic wolf]

What? You want us to start drooling on ourselves and become obsessed with food?

I can do the first one, just pass me another hit yeah?

[reef spoke]

Darktide players being bad? Say it isn't so 😔

[main wagon]

Damnation I'm I feel like I'm literally driving the shortbus, Auric is pure hell as I watch all 3 icons turn red at the same time

[reef spoke]

rations = stims

[main wagon]

This is what purgatory feels like but hey, the mode is genuinely fun lol

[blissful gull]

I just explained how it does. hyper-crit will slay enemies that would normally be left at 1 hp; that prevents you from hitting that 1 HP enemy with an attack and getting a ton of overkill damage for hyperviolence.

[hot nexus]

Ogryn needs brain powa sar

[hot moth]

I don't think that (older) video has naything to do with it? probably people testing the new infantry lasgun changes?

[hot nexus]

[stray mulch]

damage > survivability imo. harder to die when there are less enemies

[reef spoke]

damage IS survivability

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/station19-maya-bishop-so-you-want-me-to-lie-lying-lies-gif-26247726

[manic wolf]

Stimms are better than rations, they let you not need to eat so you can sell your rations to the Ogryns and buy more stimms

[hot moth]

as an Infantry las main on vet most people are using the wrong mark and don't properly weave its usage into melee and try to play the build like ranged hive scum, which doesn't end well

[main wagon]

Need a.a to drop Veteranmangus immediately

Get this shit to the masses

[reef spoke]

the average hivescum uses glucose shots to eat as they have not evolved from syringe based eating UwU

[main wagon]

I need my fireteam members to not run across the map and die alone trying to solo and objective when they dont have the game skill ;-;

[hot moth]

i think you severely overestimate the impact of content creator slop on the general playerbase

[main wagon]

I think they see me do it on Scum and go "oh he pulled it off so let me try"

[hot moth]

most people just use whatever's new, whatever's in the pathc notes, and only then what content creators are shilling as a distant third

[main wagon]

Not realizing that I'm kiting these bulwarks like I've got albanian loansharks on my ass

[stray mulch]

Hthe modifyers are wild today

[steep cobalt]

are bleed shivs worth running or is riposte + precog/uncanny just that necessary for these doggies

[manic wolf]

True, now pass it here, I'm sobering up hungry

[reef spoke]

honestly if you really want to black pill on the darktide community. Just go around and inspect random people's builds

[main wagon]

Their build doesn't disappoint me

[reef spoke]

you'll see some lvl 1000+ vet with some shit you'd never even conceive of

[main wagon]

It's the fact that they try to go into the highest difficulty content with like blues

[hot moth]

YEP

[main wagon]

And while actual decent players can do that and it's fine, they aren't typically those people

[manic wolf]

I'm guilty of that

[main wagon]

They're literally pantsless

[reef spoke]

and then they'll alt f4 once they go down

[main wagon]

Id like to believe you're at least proficient the way you talk

[stray mulch]

yis

[steep cobalt]

are bleed shivs worth running or is riposte + precog/uncanny just that necessary for these doggies

[frigid basalt]

I'm probably the 53rd guy to ask already but what are y'alls thoughts on new gun scum?

[main wagon]

You've got a good head on your shoulders, you know what you're talking about

[manic wolf]

I was once, but I am the big rusty at the minute, couple that with trying to learn to play with dodges that send me into fucking space half the time and its rough man

[reef spoke]

personally I find bleed not that good on Hive Scum. I couldn't find any way to make it not "worse toxin" at best

[main wagon]

But THESE GIBBONS IN QUICKPLAY

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[frigid basalt]

it feels a lot worse for me. Especially on open maps or if you have allies stealing every kill on specials or elites

[stray mulch]

i dont think they are, seeing as how theyve cause a great mass of wrong information to float around

it happens non stop

[main wagon]

I feel bad because every time I see an Ogryn player over level 1000, I know they're going to be fucking dogshit

[steep cobalt]

quickplay on expeditions is like going to a prehistoric zoo and watching tardigrades and single celled organisms interact

[main wagon]

I love Ogryn players

[steep cobalt]

its a whole new spectrum there

[manic wolf]

Well, back to Big L and getting stuck on the terrain for a bit

[main wagon]

But consistently they always ragequit at 4 digit levels

Like

[hot moth]

you only encounter that 'misinformation" from people who are

1. talking in here
2. talking in youtube comments to begin with

IMO the vast majority of players have zero clue of what's in the game beyond the game

[main wagon]

You had to at least play like 200+ hours to hit level 1000+

Unless they did the XP glitch a year or two back

How do you learn NOTHING that entire time?

It's baffling

[reef spoke]

one time I qp'd into a match where my allies died 4 times before the 2nd zone. I genuinely just called extract before I tried to carry those animals

[manic wolf]

Simply hit the heretics until they die and embiggen numbers

[main wagon]

I watch these players have no target priority, they don't play the objectives, they scatter like cockroaches when they see two armored ragers

[hot moth]

lots of people play the game at a level fo competency sufficient to get carried and if they die they write it off as "my team sucked"

[main wagon]

I knew someone like that around launch time

[hot moth]

you have to engage wit hthe game at a higher level of effort to actively improve

[main wagon]

Would sprint ahead on psyker all by his lonesome

[hot moth]

and the majority of people don't.

[main wagon]

Run straight into a mauler squad and die

[reef spoke]

they saw this quote and took it to heart

[main wagon]

"HELP PSYKER"

[stray mulch]

idk tanner has made a few wrong statements that still need correcting every now and then

and thats no hate to him

misinfo is EASY to spread

[hot moth]

Anyone talking in this discord is already at a greater level of "engagement with the game" than probably 95% of the total "has installed and played the game"

[stray mulch]

ppl like to act like they know shit

and if your acting is good enough others share what you gave them

[main wagon]

For the most part I like to believe that most players should be able to unconsciously improve just from raw experience but yeah, that's really the truth

I'm not asking anyone to get R6 levels of sweaty with callouts

[manic wolf]

Good way to live life tbh, thinking is too much effort and ruins things for you

[reef spoke]

there's a reason why it's a warhammer quote. It's not a good thing 😭

[hot moth]

advice straight from the pages of Uplifting Infantryman's Primer

[manic wolf]

Was that too much? Sorry about that, I'll do better next time

[main wagon]

"Blessed is the ignorant mind" or something like that

[stray mulch]

this is why we hyper crit

[main wagon]

"The wise have much to fear; the ignorant are blessed with courage"

[stray mulch]

swiing first, worry about math later

[main wagon]

Thank you, loading screen

[reef spoke]

I usually just put "UwU" when joking somehow never fails

[reef spoke]

take hypercrit -> oops only ogryns

[manic wolf]

I am not an anime enjoyer and thusly it would feel like cultural appropriation for me to do the same

[reef spoke]

UwU

[stray mulch]

aint no bitch, my bone saw will take the last 50 hp and i will be happy

[frigid basalt]

S-so um is a-anyone still discussing gun scum?

uwu owo

[steep cobalt]

is stam + toughness 2x usually the best curio combo for scum?

[frigid basalt]

ye

[stray mulch]

burn in warp fire

im sorry

[mighty belfry]

Nah the real meta

[reef spoke]

gun good

[mighty belfry]

Is health maxxing

[reef spoke]

3x stam curios and a dream

[frigid basalt]

It feels pretty terrible after the change to not be infinite ammo

[mighty belfry]

I love how this class has no discernable curio meta

[stray mulch]

its what i think is the best or at least tied for 6 stam 16 toughness if you're god enough you probably don't need the toughness that attack speed adds up

[frigid basalt]

especialyl if a teammate managfes to steal every melee elite or special

[reef spoke]

just use Desperado for infinite ammo and then use stim for minimal cooldown

you'll then edge between being drugged up or infinite ammo

[steep cobalt]

yea i deffo need more toughness than stam haha

[reef spoke]

3x wound curios UwU

[frigid basalt]

what kind of stim are you running. Pure cooldown? Do you dip into one of the last nodes for gun/melee cooldown increase?

or do you leave it before those

[mighty belfry]

Also I'm not kidding about health maxxing

Lowkey really good

[stray mulch]

the only character ive seen +3 stamina curios on is my vet

and the build is practically a troll

just so i can delete crushers in havoc

[frigid basalt]

+3 stam is fun for the classic recon gunner

[stray mulch]

Vraks IAG

[reef spoke]

I use this because I have Sample Collector + toxin blackouts

the +25% cooldown node at the end because I'm not always shooting so this one is more consistent

the crit because shivs

[manic wolf]

I use that because I like the name, we are not the same

[modest patio]

Do you mostly light spam or heavy with the heavy sword?

[frigid basalt]

Do you run vulture or stim addict

[reef spoke]

I basically made my stim boost me when my desperado is down :p

[reef spoke]

Vulture

[manic wolf]

Fair and valid tbh

[reef spoke]

Stim addict isn't that useful with this loadout because the cooldown is already so low

[frigid basalt]

Which guns

[reef spoke]

dual auto smgs

[frigid basalt]

did you test the stub pistols yet?

[reef spoke]

na, they're still semi-auto

[frigid basalt]

yeah but I mean like

are they good now after the buff or nah

[reef spoke]

and I can't be bothered to get Full Auto mod when the dual smgs are right there

[reef spoke]

from numbers, they're probably decent but not as good as dual smgs but I haven't tried them in practice

it's mostly that I don't really see a niche they fill that the dual smgs don't already do well enough or better

also they're more annoying to use due to their semi auto nature

[steep cobalt]

I do have a lot of fun with stubbies. they arent as good as SMGs but they are so very satisfying

[frigid basalt]

Do you sill run pick pocket?

[steep cobalt]

sticky hands + run n gun on them and they are laser beams, super good for headshots on specials from longer distances

also

you can spin them around

[reef spoke]

let me just pull up my desperado build brb

[manic wolf]

Shame on you not wanting to use the space hi-points

[steep cobalt]

me every time i use stub pistols as HS

[stray mulch]

no one hates them more than me

[reef spoke]

I don't run Pickpocket NOT because it's not good but because I can control my ammo usage well enough that I don't need it

[steep cobalt]

a hive scum player that doesnt just hold left click for 25 minutes?

impossible

[frigid basalt]

Very possible after the pickpocket nerf :(

[manic wolf]

Hey! Some of us click it too

[reef spoke]

I do a dance between Desperado ranged + stimm'd up melee

[stray mulch]

i spam f

[frigid basalt]

Though to be fair

[reef spoke]

I just weave between melee and ranged

[steep cobalt]

pickpocket nerf was kinda inevitable ngl

[stray mulch]

booby traps for everyone

[manic wolf]

It wasnt nerfed enough

But people arent ready to have that conversation

[stray mulch]

chiil, its my first time using it, let us have a bit more fun before FS sees these comments

[steep cobalt]

instead of 20% it should be 2% smh

[frigid basalt]

unlimited ranged and melee damage immunity with high crit, infinite ammo swarm and elite melters was on the unbalanced side

[reef spoke]

outside of Havoc and needle pistol builds, I personally find pickpocket unnecessary for a good player

as you should be able to weave between melee and ranged without compromising either

[manic wolf]

What is ranged?

I am unfamiliar with this concept

[reef spoke]

that thing you do because bombers are assholes

[stray mulch]

a silent needle in the night

[manic wolf]

You mean rush them and kick them in whatever poor excuse for testicals they still have?

[reef spoke]

ranged is simply throwing tiny knives very fast

[manic wolf]

If only Scum got throwing knives like Zealot

[reef spoke]

indeed, the shiv throwing knives are good at least

a shame the Scab hp buffs means they don't 1-tap scab elites anymore

[upbeat pendant]

Even for havoc, needler already has a pretty good ammo pool, pp isn’t needed unless you’re spamming it, you at most need one or two ammo refills an entire match and none if there’s a vet

[mighty belfry]

Just don't spam it

You have the anime protagonist of DoTs at your disposal

You don't need a lot of stacks for most things to die

[modest patio]

Goblin, do you mostly use lights on heavy sword? with H1 for things that need to die like ragers/elites

or do you just always heavy

[timid idol]

On today's episode of a psyker tries to gitgud at hivescum:

I think I've got the whole thing down now?

I'm quite liking how this plays

[astral canyon]

I'd drop crit chance perk on shivs for +25% damage to another armor type

Prob unyielding or flak

[timid idol]

Prolly flak then

-# gotta get around to downloading the crit chance showing mod

[astral canyon]

Also not taking pickpocket on needler

Based af

[upbeat pendant]

Can try to get a dump stat damage or stopping power for needler instead

[timid idol]

Never really had problems with ammo, so it was an easy drop

[astral canyon]

Also that

[timid idol]

oh for sure, but that's a lotta effort and I'm too lazy rn

[astral canyon]

Needler prefers to dump damage or stopping power over the other stats

[timid idol]

I put 0 thought into the fact damage does fuck all on the needler

-# It's not a lotta effort, but I'm really lazy

[astral canyon]

I'd also run stripped down over ghost there

Safer time approaching ranged threats

[timid idol]

fair enough! Never considered it

[astral canyon]

I'd also recommend swapping some talents so you can grab hyperviolence and the elite/monstrosity damage nodes

[timid idol]

I mean I should probably drop Jittery for that, but it just feels so nice to have

[upbeat pendant]

I’d suggest changing nimble and jittery into punching above one weight and hv instead but its a playstyle preference

[manic wolf]

Jittery is so good on the new mode ngl

[astral canyon]

Hyperviolence is insane value for shivs and a ton of other melees

[timid idol]

Jittery just feels so nice, it's hard for me to drop

I know I should though...

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah I love it too but… more damage

[astral canyon]

Quick and deadly is pretty safe to drop

Wait nvm

[manic wolf]

I've ditched BM on TacAxe for Deci/HT so I can use all the mobility stuff I please and still have all the damage

[astral canyon]

Not quick and deadly

Tertium welcome

[upbeat pendant]

I kept bm and changed cleave to bellow for some more utility

[manic wolf]

Jesus, I dont take either bellow or rampage cleave

[timid idol]

I'll drop Tertium welcome,

[manic wolf]

Is bellow even still worth it now there is the new knockback talent?

[astral canyon]

You dont take the right node on rampage?

[timid idol]

and I'd rather keep nimble than jittery so I'll drop jittery for that

Don't like the shout effect, enemies on the ground are harder to stab

[manic wolf]

Nah, take both the left ones instead

[upbeat pendant]

I like it, more stagger

[astral canyon]

Fair, i personally find it way too good to pass up

[timid idol]

Feels very personal preference, and it's just not my jam, I can see the appeal though!

[manic wolf]

Blackouts exist if you still need stagger anyway

[astral canyon]

Right node also gives even more melee power for free tho

[manic wolf]

An they're much better in expeditions than RPG is

[manic wolf]

Ye, I know, but opportunity cost being what it is, tree is loaded with good stuff atm

[upbeat pendant]

Can’t say much about this, I’m guilty of being a desp user in exp so I kept rpgs for crusher groups

[astral canyon]

Theyre good but rocket is still pretty useful for deleting ranged clusters that are way too distant

[manic wolf]

Yeah, im not saying its not useful cos it absolutely is, but its avaliability when you're in one zone for a considerable time is very low compared to Blackouts

Also saves needing to spend on blitz refils

[timid idol]

The other aspect of the expeditions is you get 4 (if you're smart) rockets per expedition, and you aren't fighting for grenade pickups since you just refill at the outsiders shrine

[manic wolf]

Sure, whereas Blackouts you get just for killing things, which means you get fuckin loads of em

[upbeat pendant]

you could get 8 if you take the throwable rockets which are basically rpgs

[timid idol]

That being said, still prefer my blackouts

[astral canyon]

Ye blackouts are still good for melee builds

[timid idol]

Oh for sure! But not having to fight for grenade pickups means that they're still a perfectly viable choice, especially if you'll be taking an ammo hungry weapon anyway

[manic wolf]

That one of the purchaseables?

[astral canyon]

Specially with pocket toxin to deal with normal ranged enemies

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah

[manic wolf]

I've literally not bought anything beyond ammo and medicae

[upbeat pendant]

Try the bombing run it’s fun

[astral canyon]

Not sure if a single tox blinder is enough to kill either gunner on its own tho

[astral canyon]

Theyre really good for the ones i tried so far

[upbeat pendant]

But takes a while to actually do something when you throw it

[timid idol]

I like the stun mines, toss one behind you and run to the next PoI and you save sooooo much time on fighting things

[manic wolf]

Nah, idts, but I dont use it for that, just push em in melee or shoot em

[manic wolf]

But I wanna fight stuff!

[timid idol]

-# Fuck it's helldivers all over again

[manic wolf]

How dare you insinuate I would play such abysmal dogshit, I'm offended

[astral canyon]

Last run we were running out of time to extract and we ran into a chaos spawn but since i had artillery i managed to pretty much instakill the fucker lmao

Pretty sure that was one of the things that saved the run too

Otherwise we wouldve wasted too much time fighting it

[timid idol]

Our enemy may be unimaginable horrors born from the void between thought, but we have Lockheed Martin's latest billion dollar project

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah monstrosities die pretty fast in exp, should always kill them for the tech, captains maybe not cause the shield makes them take longer

[astral canyon]

I still want to know if bistol affects the size of the artillery explosions

[timid idol]

A psyker Gitsgud, round too many to count

[astral canyon]

Looks a lot better

Though 3 stamina curios is def overkill for the attack speed

[timid idol]

yeahhh a toughness curio wouldn't hurt

[astral canyon]

I'd run one of each tbh

[timid idol]

-# now I just need to find a decent one 🙃

[manic wolf]

Yeah was aboutta say

[astral canyon]

One stamina, one health and one toughness

[manic wolf]

x1 TGH, HP an Stam

[astral canyon]

Also i'd prob run the finesse branch on top right instead of crit chance

[steep cobalt]

Q: nimble or Alley rat? or are neither really that important

[manic wolf]

Preference

They're both stupidly good

[upbeat pendant]

Preference, you can choose any or none it’s up to you

[astral canyon]

Nimble for most melee builds, alley rat for ranged or melees with poor dodge distance (eg heavy sword)

[jovial heron]

Is a Tertium Welcome good for a melee build?

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah I use it

[timid idol]

I mean +15% crit v +35% finesse? Wouldn't I want more crit for hyper-critical?

[manic wolf]

I would be more inclined to run Nimble on normal maps tho cos it can yeet you off ledges an shit really easily if you have Alley Rat, but on the new mode Alley Rat feels way better

[upbeat pendant]

The +dodge distance scares me on some maps

[astral canyon]

It is nice but its prob one of the first to be dropped for other talents

[timid idol]

I mean I've sent myself off a concerning number of cliffs with nimble...

[astral canyon]

With that setup you already have 80%+ crit chance

[manic wolf]

Its a LOT of extra distance with some weapons, it can like actually yeet you miles on slide-dodges

[manic wolf]

Aye, now add a bunch more an you go off all the guard rails

[timid idol]

get used to dodging sideways off drops and cliffs and you'll go far!

-# usually too far

[astral canyon]

And more finesse damage means even more damage to feed into hyperviolence

[upbeat pendant]

But wait why ammo coherency? Why not melee damage

[manic wolf]

Plus side is, if you got practiced with it, Alley Rat could probably make you fucking untouchable

[astral canyon]

Oh right that too

If its for expeditions ammo aura is pretty much useless

[timid idol]

mostly for the team support, 10% damage is fine? but every ammo pickup being 130% size teamwide kicks ass

[astral canyon]

130% size?

[manic wolf]

I gotta be honest, I dont think i've ever run the ammo aura

[timid idol]

yeah, 100% for the person who picks up, and everyone else gets 10% too

[astral canyon]

Oh

Actually you also get the extra 10%

Or rather the person who picked up gets it too

[timid idol]

wait really?

[manic wolf]

Goofy

[timid idol]

The person who picks up gets 110%?!

[manic wolf]

Havoc ass aura

[timid idol]

Fucking wild

[astral canyon]

Its nice for normal missions but on expeditions its straight up useless

[timid idol]

True

I've been leveling my HS recently, all my expedition runs have been psyker

[astral canyon]

Also the ammo allies get isnt based on their reserve ammo, its based on the reserve ammo of the person who grabbed the pickup

[timid idol]

I mean the usual ammo hogs are like vets with plasma guns and lasrifles or ogryns with fuck all ammo reserve

[upbeat pendant]

IMO there’s already enough ammo even in havoc, most of the time it’s only two people taking ammo anyways, you being not one of them

And if you had the melee damage aura that means you kill more which means there’s less things to shoot which means you saved them ammo, big brain

[timid idol]

If I were to take ruffian, I might switch to blessed stimms too, the extra duration is probably good but then it takes longer to come off cooldown and that means less stimm overall

The actual effect is whatever though

[upbeat pendant]

Take blessed stims if you are doing havoc with a blight modifier, it helps a bit

[astral canyon]

Blessed stimms could def be more useful than +5s but i personally just find it the latter more fun

[timid idol]

I mean, I assume it can't clear corruption past a wound?

[astral canyon]

Nope

Same as any other corruption cleanse talent

Only stuff that can do that are healing stimms and medicae stations

[timid idol]

Oh thank god

[zenith pagoda]

Does the cleave cap on taxe mean a +cleave is a waste?

[astral canyon]

Ye

Its why you run brutal momentum

[zenith pagoda]

So cleave from rampage and strength does nothing?

[astral canyon]

I mean

It can prob help for whenever you accidentally hit a poxwalker on the body

But rampage also gives a ton of damage so its still the best option

Even if the cleave bonuses dont really do much

[upbeat pendant]

The rampage cleave node still gives 25% dmg after 10s so still take that

[zenith pagoda]

Does anyone know what the cap is? Surely +cleave works until a certain point

[astral canyon]

Also taxe had like fuck all base cleave so its not like it even makes a big difference

[astral canyon]

Path guide says its 3

[low harbor]

Heavy attacks on tac axe do 0 damage after 3rd target

But will still stagger

[astral canyon]

Ye that

[zenith pagoda]

I wanna do an adrenaline build, but the crit loss from chem dependency makes me wanna take taxe since has inbuilt +crit chance

[low harbor]

Go Rashad for adrenaline

Best melee weapon on hive scum

[zenith pagoda]

Really? The finesse is lower

[low harbor]

Rashad is just straight up the best melee weapon on hive scum

[jovial heron]

How do you tell the cleave cap for a weapon? Is there a place I can check? Trying to see if battering strikes is overkill on shivs with Rampage, hypercritical, and hyperviolence

[zenith pagoda]

Does it benefit much from hypercritical?

[low harbor]

My guide

[low harbor]

Yes but I don’t take it for Rashad anymore

[jovial heron]

Isn’t it a WIP?

[low harbor]

Rampage + tox is better

[jovial heron]

/s

[low harbor]

It’s always WIP

[zenith pagoda]

Wdum tox? Like all the tox talents + rashed?

[jovial heron]

Do I just google Path Darktide guide?

[low harbor]

The road to perfection is a constant & ever present struggle

[low harbor]

Hammer of the emperor

Or just check vet class chat pin

I only have vet and zealot in it atm

[low harbor]

Some tox talents yea

[zenith pagoda]

Do you still do crit/finesse centered? Or just straight up damage

Like with aura

[mighty belfry]

Rashad isn't hugely benefitted by crit chance

Since

Finesse is there but its not a crazy high curve

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah that's why I'm confused since scum is very finesse centred

I assume there's no cleave cap on rashad?

[mighty belfry]

Because raw damage

It just

Gets the job done

That's why it mostly works with adrenaline and not Chem dep

[zenith pagoda]

What's the base stamina?

[mighty belfry]

I have no idea as the last time I used Rashad was when I first heard that it was good on scum

Only to realize

It still bores me

[zenith pagoda]

True

[low harbor]

wat I hav rn

[low harbor]

+3

[low harbor]

rashad does benefit from crit a lot vs unyielding and carapace

[zenith pagoda]

No rending on heavies?

[low harbor]

90.12% carapace ADM on heavy smiter

and 200% unyielding ADM

[zenith pagoda]

Oh damn, probably why it's so reliable lol

[low harbor]

it straight up just is the best hvs melee weapon

[zenith pagoda]

Unless they give me power sword

[zenith pagoda]

Bromentum headtaker?

[low harbor]

ye

[mighty belfry]

Ya know. Fair. I forgot about that.

[low harbor]

unarmored carapace

I thought abt running flak carapace but

scab bruiser 1 shot reliability more important

[zenith pagoda]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a157966e-af42-4676-a70c-a530eef189ea/cimbat

This is a non toxin approach, got a spare point though

[hybrid jay]

thoughts on channeled aggression?

[low harbor]

wats that again?

[hybrid jay]

the crit chance becomes 1/2 melee dmg

[mighty belfry]

It's aight

Free 15% melee damage don't hurt

[hybrid jay]

i see

30 stacks after butterfly proc

[low harbor]

it's good

free 7.5~15% melee dmg

[pulsar nebula]

what does the blue mode for needle pistol do?

[hybrid jay]

i swapped the two adrenaline frenzy subnodes though

took weakspot -> stacks and duration to 20s

[woeful hill]

@pulsar nebula

[unreal stirrup]

bruh I've been using the wrong one

[maiden rune]

i was kinda hoping that hivescum was gonna go on sale

[mighty belfry]

anyone use the stimm crate since the hotfix?

[lilac schooner]

patience

[upbeat pendant]

Probably after another dlc class comes then hs will go on sale

[flat mist]

Its literally just free with chem dep

[rancid gulch]

any juice behind bolt pistol + left side tree?

[lilac schooner]

Left side tree is pretty gutted now, and bolt pistol never really fit in a ranged only build due to its clunkiness and reload time/firerate

[upbeat pendant]

Bolt pistol is better as a secondary stagger weapon than a primary dps weapon, and the explosive aoe blessing is great to have with rpg

[manic wolf]

I dunno about gutted, but toned down a bit

You cant take the crit aura without being taxed for two nodes on the stimm row and you now have to melee something every few minutes, I wouldnt say thats gutted, just not stupid anymore

[rancid gulch]

What's a better gun as a primary? tbh I'm not feeling the needler, I like something with a little more impact. The delay between hit and kill is a little unsatisfying

[lilac schooner]

It's probably not something I would use ever again in high difficulties so it is for me

[manic wolf]

Dual Autopistols/Shredder

[coral mirage]

be a chad and use the duel pistols instead....

[manic wolf]

People rate the IAG aswel, but I am not keen personally

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/hFW6QLqcWaw.gif

[manic wolf]

Or those, yeah

They're not as strong, but they're still decent enough

[lilac schooner]

You'd have to melee something every 15 seconds pretty much since it gives you one mag only with dual aps

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[rancid gulch]

I do like the dual pistols tbh, but not sure if they've got the damage for primary weapon

[upbeat pendant]

It’s a shame, I use it though since ranged has some points to spare unless you want to add some melee damage

[manic wolf]

If I was in control of balancing decisions, you'd be meleeing something every 15 seconds, but you'd only get ammo back once in 60s

[coral mirage]

Honestly ive found the damage is great! its just the amount of bullets in each mag that give me issues

[upbeat pendant]

The stubs? You trade in raw dps for precision with that

[lilac schooner]

Well it's still pretty gutted, that's pretty unuseable in h40 where there are less oppurtunities to safely kill elites with melee

[coral mirage]

auto pistols are your go too tho

[manic wolf]

The most annoying thing is that with the increased mag size node there are 17 total bullets, which means one of the pistols has an odd mag size

Un-fucking-playable

[rancid gulch]

lol

Oh shit that did it I'M FINALLY RED

[manic wolf]

'Grats, now you can shitpost

[coral mirage]

GO BACK

NOOO

[upbeat pendant]

Now you can spam builds which are exactly identical except for maybe 4 nodes

[coral mirage]

you were so innocent and pure...

[flat mist]

So you melee something once, maybe twice, between desperado activations