hivescum-class

[glacial gyro]

I fucking despised it, mostly because poxbursters are janky, and the more of them that spawn the higher the risk of critical jank

[hybrid veldt]

Wdym... I love when 20 of them train towards you and you either kill the first and wipe them all out or get dog piled by all 20 in 1 go because of the stun lock they throw you into

[blissful yew]

Nothing says pain and suffering like a conga line of poxwalkers loaded with melta bombs.

[astral canyon]

two conga lines

[foggy lantern]

I have been having fun with chem dependency coated blade crit shivs.

Throw on the bleed stacks on crit blessing and you get reliable double dots, which is quite good at wearing down monstrosities and captains.

[blissful yew]

And you thought the cliff segment of Clandestium Gloriana was brutal with exploding barrels…

[split barn]

Did the change to Hive Scum’s talent tree happen?

[limber cradle]

Yes

[foggy lantern]

Yes.

[split barn]

sweet, I can use my talent points more efficiently now

[lilac anvil]

I dislike the hive scum talent tree changes

the critical strike aura node and the melee damage node should be swapped in location

the +5 stimm duration is bad for chemical dependancy

i also cannot find the node that reduces stimm cooldown on kills

[verbal dew]

it's in the middle

[lilac anvil]

yea just found it again, im glad that one is easier to get too actually

[verbal dew]

right above melee dmg aura

[hybrid veldt]

Not true

[verbal dew]

it's not making that much of a difference

[lilac anvil]

chem dependancy doesn't grant any buffs while the stimm is active

[verbal dew]

it's not hard to keep chem dep at 3 stacks

[hybrid veldt]

You get whatever stim cooldown and normal proc is 15seconds then youll get the cool down with 5+ its 20s

[lilac anvil]

it only cares about usage

oh it doesnt affect cooldown timing?

[hybrid veldt]

It effects it by 5seconds longer

Since the cool down only Activates once the stim runs out

[lilac anvil]

yea that makes it so i would have to either play better or reduce stimm power level to compensate?

[hybrid veldt]

So personally

[split barn]

actually yeah that was one thing that got me pretty upset

[hybrid veldt]

The stem and investing points seems kinda "invest all in on a node" sure youll have whatever youve spec'd into but having just 2 branched from all sides so 8 in total is like 39secs?

[split barn]

the early talent tree changes are great though so i feel like it somewhat balanced it out for me

i only play chem scum

[hybrid veldt]

Thats more then enough with 8% strength, toughness, speed, cdr

[lilac anvil]

so you are agreeing that i have to have a worse stimm to compensate for the +5 seconds?

[hybrid veldt]

Rather then 1, 5 cost stim upgrade, for extra 10 second time add

[hybrid veldt]

Show me your stim

[split barn]

Doesn’t the extra time mess with booby trap?

Or the cooldown at least

[lilac anvil]

exactly

[split barn]

Sounds kinda bad

[hybrid veldt]

Personally I find the extra 5seconds huge

[lilac anvil]

bepu you told me what stimm you prefer with the +5 seconds, but its still objectively a worse stimm than a normal one with no extra time

[split barn]

I use cooldown and toughness stim

And even then I don’t think I’d ever want the extra duration

[lilac anvil]

yea id rather have the downtime faster to get another charge in lol

[split barn]

Exactly

but its all preference

I know people who only put little levels into their stim so it recharges faster, but I personally max out my stim so I have can a strong use whenever I really need it

Even if the cooldown is higher

[hybrid veldt]

You do you

[lilac anvil]

once you get max level on chem dependancy its not a use on CD anymore so its gotta have a bit of a kick to have use after the stacks

[split barn]

true

[hybrid veldt]

Personally the multi buff at 20seconds with 4 stacks of dependacy work well for me

[lilac anvil]

im not saying it doesn't work well

[mighty belfry]

Four stack bade

[lilac anvil]

im just sad that its forced to have a slightly worse setup to go into desperado

[hybrid veldt]

Worse?

[mighty belfry]

It's probably even worse now because of the pathing of the new tree

[split barn]

Do y’all know an optimal way to use the bonesaw’s modes btw?

[hybrid veldt]

Its free stats

[split barn]

I’m assuming the brittle mode for larger enemies?

[mighty belfry]

It's not free

[hybrid veldt]

The stim is insane regardless of how potent you make it

[mighty belfry]

Brittle mode is honestly more for bosses than anything

[split barn]

so not really worthwhile on large elites?

[mighty belfry]

Because even for carapace, its still a big loss in dps because of the lack of toxin on hit

[split barn]

got it

[hybrid veldt]

Personally brittle for solid crit on the bigger guys, but even still it doesnt matter if you have chem stacks

It works just as good if not the same

Or better

[split barn]

I’d assume the same for needle gun? I never see anyone use its alternate chem

[mighty belfry]

Check pins

[split barn]

ty

[hybrid veldt]

The explosive proc seems kinda redundant

It doesnt spread chem

And is more of a aoe mob clear

[mighty belfry]

One does

[split barn]

yeah thats not very impactful at all lol

the standard fire just seems to do more and spread chem

[hybrid veldt]

The explosive mode on the needle gun?

[mighty belfry]

Yes. Mk2 has spreadable toxin

[hybrid veldt]

The mk2

And the mk4 has more crit

But its so tiny

[mighty belfry]

Nah, more stacks on crit and weakspot

Which is actually significant

[hybrid veldt]

So the mk2 does spread it?

[mighty belfry]

Also it's mk6

[split barn]

definitely feels like elite and boss munchers

nice

[mighty belfry]

Mk2 does ya

[hybrid veldt]

Oh cool

Ill try that out

[split barn]

I think I can still sneak scavenger too, that “nerf” just doesn’t feel impactful

[hybrid veldt]

The dot is insane towards bigger targets since you can stack the dot

[modest patio]

Mk2 has been the favorite for a while right?

[hybrid veldt]

Ive been using the mk4

With no real description of the 2

I wasnt sure that either were different

[mighty belfry]

Yeah they're quite different

Mk6 regular fire is better

[split barn]

Might do a melee scum, the recent changes feels like they just made it insane

[lilac anvil]

^

[mighty belfry]

Mk2 regular fire is somewhat worse but has a much better secondary fire

[lilac anvil]

melee feels insane right now

[modest patio]

I haven’t seen the new tree yet

[split barn]

It’s great, just kinda sucks for chem scum midway down

[modest patio]

Chem dependency?

[hybrid veldt]

My builds here for melee crit chem

The stim is use

Weapons

[split barn]

theres a +5 stimm duration talent that you kinda have to take to get certain talents and I feel like it messes w/ my build

its also harder for me to get gunslinger with chem scum since I’d have to spend more

[hybrid veldt]

However ive been thinking of taking out the "group chem proc on elites"

[main wagon]

While I was initially butthurt about having to take it, since I also have to take sample collector in order to use Ruffian aura it doesn’t feel so bad

Longer stimm + shorter CD

[hybrid veldt]

The radius on it is so small and barely noticeable

[main wagon]

Stimm for me is mostly used when desperado is off

[split barn]

I’ll give it a look, if I can keep a low cd then I won’t be so uppity

[main wagon]

Triple barrel go brrr

Excited to try when I get home from work today

My tree looks so ugly lmao

[split barn]

I think im gonna make a melee scum with the bonesaw just cause I love chems so much

[modest patio]

Any major changes to our skills or keystones?

[main wagon]

Curious to see if hypercritical is worth over sweet spot with new Mk1 shiv nerf

[hybrid veldt]

Depends on the play style tbh

[main wagon]

Since I’m not a rampage build

[hybrid veldt]

I think no build is "perfect"

[main wagon]

I figure it’ll help offset maybe not being able to heavy 1 shot most human sized enemies

I already bring battering strikes to help with the lesser cleave

[split barn]

yeah theres some

I definitely wanna try the new toxic renewal

[hybrid veldt]

Cleave seems very hard to pump up

[split barn]

that is crazy

[hybrid veldt]

And rending im unsure, but the power scale on rampage proc

[main wagon]

Nimble is a keystone now

[hybrid veldt]

Is a good dmg increase the longer you hold it

[main wagon]

But jittery still a talent

[split barn]

regen 10% toughness each second in a 15m radius as long as you’re doing what chem scum does best

insane

[hybrid veldt]

P much

@split barn did you see my build by chance?

Nearly all chem dependency nodes are good imo

[split barn]

no, but I can assume its a lot like what I’m gonna do

[hybrid veldt]

I pinged it

[hybrid veldt]

Here man

[split barn]

Ah I see

[hybrid veldt]

Again ive been testing the chem explosion on elite kill

And its kinda sad how bad it is

Its not 100% chance

And its very unreliable

[split barn]

But I went for stimm supply instead

[hybrid veldt]

I could be wrong, its hard to tell when you move through hordes and everything is chemmed up anyway

[split barn]

why is street tough a thing on hive scum’s tree wtf

this is an ogryn talent

or should be at least

[hybrid veldt]

Scum got the juice

[split barn]

aoe knockdown effect for getting hit every 8 secs

Ogryn just getting cheated

[hybrid veldt]

4 Depend stacks at +20% crit hit chance is really good for crit procs always

You get a solid +5% per stack

[split barn]

the possible scum nerfs are gonna hurt

[hybrid veldt]

People would be silly not to grab the insane crit this character has

[split barn]

so ima enjoy scum while it is what it is

[hybrid veldt]

Yeah lets be real

The buffs will be short lived

[modest patio]

Any significant weapon changes?

[hybrid veldt]

Duel sluggers, got less recoil

[split barn]

did they tweak the shivs?

theyre pretty damn strong

[main wagon]

Yes

Mk1 heavily reduced cleave, Mk3 heavies buffed

[split barn]

yeah valid

i could mow down hordes like crazy with em

[supple torrent]

I really felt that reduced cleave

[hybrid veldt]

Quick question

[split barn]

before the reduction

[hybrid veldt]

On the bonesaw

[supple torrent]

I tried lawnmowering a horde and just ate shit

[hybrid veldt]

With chem choice, does it stack more on crit/hit regardless

[split barn]

I’m glad I didn’t get too attached to em

Bonesaw my beloved

Was funny just effortlessly cutting down a horde

[main wagon]

Couldn’t find it at first lol

[supple torrent]

pinned messages has the toxin info

[hybrid veldt]

Bonesaw is under rated

Sure its different

[split barn]

yikes that hurts

[supple torrent]

Should be the first pin

[main wagon]

It looks bad on paper, but I’m waiting to see how it’ll feel in practice

Before I pass judgement lol

[split barn]

mayo already said he felt a difference

[supple torrent]

ah wait is that just the pistol

[split barn]

but im gonna also try myself

[hybrid veldt]

Im talking about the bonesaw

Chem coating

Not brittle coating

[brittle sierra]

Oh no it's definitely overrated 😈

[split barn]

I think its getting plenty love now with this new update

maybe a little too much, i don’t want a nerf

[supple torrent]

Bonesaw is balanced by being absolutely awful to swing

[hybrid veldt]

Cool so +2 with normal proc and crit proc

Huge

[hybrid veldt]

😂 yeah

[split barn]

kinda feels like a chainsword

[brittle sierra]

Dude that's crazy, 2 Tox per crit

We gaming

[split barn]

especially when it gets stuck sawing one dude

[supple torrent]

Naah

[split barn]

lmao

[brittle sierra]

3 if you get the talent oof we cookin

[supple torrent]

chainsword feels amazing to use. Chain weapons just dont work in darktide

[hybrid veldt]

Ah well, cant complain, the coating makes the entire weapon with chem procs

[split barn]

yup, chainaxe is def better than chainsword but horde clear SUCKS

[supple torrent]

Only reason I dont run evis every game is I have to deal with 10 crushers

[main wagon]

Silly Fatshark should’ve used the force greatsword mechanic for chainswords initially

[split barn]

i just love me chain weapons

[supple torrent]

And 20 ragers

[main wagon]

Turn them on, they slay harder while they’re revving until it overheats

Alas

[split barn]

ragers cancelling your revved attacks is bs

[supple torrent]

I run zealot so idk about that

[hallow socket]

Shivs opinions now?

[supple torrent]

the problem is they just kill me

[hybrid veldt]

3 with crit proc in tree

Yeah thats why im cooking hard

[hallow socket]

I went Devils Claw Mark 1

[hybrid veldt]

All day long

[supple torrent]

Still top weapon

[hallow socket]

And bone saw on another build

[split barn]

tried runnin it on scum before and you get knocked out of your rev attack easy

def not for scum

[main wagon]

Bonesaw punching air

Have you tried battering strikes with Mk1 shivs?

[supple torrent]

By top I mean its at least one of the best

[brittle sierra]

Those crushers won't know what hot em 😈

[hybrid veldt]

Bonesaw enjoyers are simply acending

[supple torrent]

idk how good bonesaw is cus I refuse to touch that thing

[main wagon]

Sync mentioned you’d felt the difference after the nerf

[hallow socket]

I use it so I can go other nodes besides coated Weaponry for chemical dependency

[split barn]

its great dude

join the cause

[hallow socket]

Everything dies

[hybrid veldt]

Well I mean, the last thing they see is a meth induced junkie with a bonesaw

[supple torrent]

Naah I run it as my side weapon for gun scum. Before I could just handle hordes with 0 cleave investment. Now I have to like push and space them

I wonder if rampage scum players noticed a difference

they already get like 100% cleave

[split barn]

rampage scum players are eating the most

[hybrid veldt]

My light attacks still get stopped

[zinc mirage]

I gotta get used to the pick pocket change

[hallow socket]

Yeah that's probably why I ditched it because I'm not using rampage. I like my cleave.

[hybrid veldt]

I think the con is the 90dmg lights and 350dmg heavies 😂

[split barn]

mfers don’t even have to push, street tough does that for them if they even get poked

[hybrid veldt]

If you dont charge it slightly

Then 90

[main wagon]

Ah, gotcha. I run a Desperado DB Hybrid so I’ve been running Battering this whole time

[supple torrent]

You see if you were dog at the game like me. You already had to go melee to refill ammo on gunscum

[brittle sierra]

Me hitting the crushers 40 times and then just staring at me

Truly they can't comprehend the fent

[hallow socket]

Need cleave yet to try this Vet ranged cleave 👿

[hybrid veldt]

No chance, rocket launcher cleans them up

In a second

[split barn]

boutta do a rampage build with bonesaw just cause of how strong melee is rn

[hybrid veldt]

Sync

My build bro

[zinc mirage]

don't worry, it just takes some time to use a melee weapon after countless matches of not using melee at all XD

[hybrid veldt]

Try it out, or alter it

[split barn]

def gonna alter it

[supple torrent]

I sorta run hybrid with chem dep and relying on hypercrit to deal with elites. But yeah I might slot in some cleave now

[hybrid veldt]

You get the general idea, keep in mind crit chance is the most important for procing chem

If you proc chem you proc toughness/dmg so on so forth

[hallow socket]

People thought I was silly for going Hive Scum Hybrid and now we are forced to.

[supple torrent]

scum hybrid? Thats just rampage scum with pickpocket

[split barn]

I’d prob dump a few talents to get street tough

Such a necessary “oh shit” talent

[hallow socket]

I use Desperado

[split barn]

for melee scum at least

[hallow socket]

No pickpocket on one build

[dark stream]

Me When Hive Scumming: Drugs. Lots and Lots of Cartel Drugs.

[tranquil fjord]

i dont understand why they force you to pick either stim
talent

[supple torrent]

Im just joking. Since melee scum can abuse pickpocket to go hybrid anyways

[hybrid veldt]

I think personally one or 2 of my nodes feel lack luster, mainly the one which causes elites to explode chem around them

The proc is super inconsistent

And basically pointless

[dark stream]

"i'm a giver! You lot Look like Takers!"

[split barn]

try street tough and tell me how you feel

[supple torrent]

I love the free tox application

[hybrid veldt]

Im in bed about to sleep bro

😂

Maybe tomorrow

[hybrid veldt]

Dm?

[supple torrent]

Ran into a tiny room with ragers and maulers and they just melt

[split barn]

yeah whenever you want im cool with it

[hallow socket]

Just hit it for pathing

There seems to be more pathing options in a way

[supple torrent]

easier tox application for sample collector too

[main wagon]

Would you say hyper crit over sweet spot or both if possible?

[split barn]

melee scum’s gonna get smacked so hard with the nerf hammer man

[supple torrent]

sweet spot depends on the weapon.

[main wagon]

I think melee scum was so juiced in its own ways that it’ll be alright

[supple torrent]

I think shiv and knives benefit the most. Hypercrit just feels good

[main wagon]

They got a free dodge and more dodge angle

[split barn]

maybe just scum in general is gonna get hurt by a nerf

[hallow socket]

Yet here we are I was laughing at the skill tree and inbuilt buffs last night flabbergasted.

[main wagon]

Plus more toughness

[hallow socket]

It was already gross

[split barn]

have any of y’all used that one talent that extends your dodge distance lmao

[supple torrent]

Yeah its beautiful

[main wagon]

I’m just giggling at all the pickpocket DAP players crying that they’ve got to melee a single dog now

[hallow socket]

🤣 yet to try it on main missions with ledges.

[split barn]

prolly for ranged scum, the bigger dodge distances feels like it’d mess up melee rhythm no?

[supple torrent]

Yeah I run it on ranged scum. Basic nimble feels great for melee

[split barn]

gravity is already my enemy anyways

[supple torrent]

Although I guess you dont need either. But it makes the class feel alot better

[hallow socket]

Me too bud me too

[main wagon]

Not to say you can’t still fling yourself off ledges with just nimble and shivs lol

Speed is speed and we are on drugs

Gonna miss the really crazy jumps though

[hybrid veldt]

@split barn dmmd bro

[split barn]

a true scum player doesn’t know wtf they’re doing anyways

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-thundercrash-titan-gif-20747023

[modest patio]

Finally home and can take a look at the tree

[fast hedge]

is hyper critical working rn?

[main wagon]

Dodging off a ledge while charging Mk1 shiv heavy

[fast hedge]

something seems off in meat grinder

[modest patio]

It's FatShark, assume nothing is working

[fast hedge]

rel

[clear isle]

lads I have a question, does it matter who picks up the tech remains?

[main wagon]

It’s also the Psyk

Assume nothing works in a real game like in there

[split barn]

just gaslight yourself into thinking it works as intended

[main wagon]

[Glares at 400 Stamina Curio bug]

[fast hedge]

bro forgot to die

[main wagon]

Dying is cringe after all

[hybrid veldt]

Dw bro, ive been there, full double dashing on accident then being sent out of the map at mach 1

[main wagon]

Fatshark, let me rocket jump and my life is yours

[hybrid veldt]

Source Velocity mechanics

https://tenor.com/view/halflife-hl-sv-autobunnyhop-speedrun-bhop-gif-20253168

[fast hedge]

data reliquary barrel hop to zone 3

[hybrid veldt]

Anyway I sleep

Gn

[fast hedge]

Crack dreams

[modest patio]

splash damage reads well, anyone tried it?

[vapid jungle]

The middle section of this tree is a bit fucked

[hallow socket]

Yeah I noticed something when I left the psykanium I could see everything come to life and attack me.

Might ditch chem splash for chem toughness to get Dependency keystone pathing.

I didn't go to school so I can't talk much, please white fella spare a dolla for the bus.

[mighty belfry]

You don't need the 4th stack tbh

That's arguably the worst node for that keystone by far

And it's actually even worse now with the new tree lol

[modest patio]

what do you run for Stimm Lab?

I'm struggling with the new tree, I have no idea where to go

[mighty belfry]

I go full strength + movement speed stimm with rampage

And use Chem nades or Chem blackouts for quicker stimm regen

[modest patio]

Movements Speed? Is that the fervor with dodge distance and stuff?

[mighty belfry]

Ya

I used to do 52s stimm with max strength and a little attack speed but

I like being fast

[modest patio]

I was also going to try rampage first

Do you have your talent tree easily available anywhere and/or want to see what I have and tell me what I missed?

[mighty belfry]

Unfortunately I haven't remade it with the new update

But I can take a look and see

[modest patio]

I'm not sure if this is easy enough to read

[mighty belfry]

Hmm

What weapon is this?

[modest patio]

I was going to rock shiv

Probably Shiv 1?

[mighty belfry]

Backstabs off. Hypercrit on

Ramping backstabs is just not consistent enough for the point compared to something as strong as hypercrit on a weapon with a lot of crit and finesse

[jaunty lava]

Mister e hive scum?

[modest patio]

Did he post a build?

[mighty belfry]

Also. Maybe this is just me

I don't think extra blitz is really all that necessary

[modest patio]

I always love it on rockets, but it could just be something I'm used to

[mighty belfry]

And I'd rather put that to something that will help me hold up better in melee

Like A Tertium Welcome

[modest patio]

Toxic Renewal seems really good to

[mighty belfry]

Thats just a personal preference for me tho

[modest patio]

I'll give something else a try, tbh idk that rockets are even needed if I'm not playing rotten armour

[jaunty lava]

No, but he is using it on his livestream

[mighty belfry]

It's not needed even if you are.

Rampage scum goes crazy on rotten armor

[modest patio]

Alright, going to try Chem nades first

[mighty belfry]

And it's probably even crazier now cuz of Splash Damage

[astral canyon]

Does this seem good for shiv rampage?

[modest patio]

dropping 1 extra blitz, what would you add?

[modest patio]

Ah, that tree doesn't have ramping backstabs

[mighty belfry]

Am I crazy or is that not backstabs on bottom left

[modest patio]

nah, backstab is middle left now

[mighty belfry]

Wh

[modest patio]

it's the node directly above gunslinger improved

[mighty belfry]

I didn't even realize

[modest patio]

I was confused because I certainly didn't intend to take it and just realized it's up in the middle now

[mighty belfry]

What the heck is the node on bottom left I'm seeing with the knife

[mighty belfry]

Ohhhhh

Right.

[modest patio]

hilariously, theyre the same icon

[mighty belfry]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense to have actually

[modest patio]

it seems super strong

though I think I'm Str+Finesse on top right

on stimm lab*

[mighty belfry]

In that case, change blitz to hypercrit imho

Or

[modest patio]

That's exactly what I did, hypercrit is insane i can't believe i missed it tbh

[mighty belfry]

Hmm

I do see street tough working really well with shivs particularly

But you're already pressed for points

[abstract surge]

whats the nest build now?

best

[lofty sand]

How should I be balancing my stimms between viscosity and cooldown? Is going all in on, say, the cooldown reduction tree worth the minute-and-a-half recharge?

[mighty belfry]

Minute and a half?

Should be a minute at most without sample collector working

[lofty sand]

Slight exaggeration - I think it's 75 seconds right now
I'm also only like level eight or something on my scum

[mighty belfry]

Don't even worry about that until you level up

[marble seal]

No one clear answer. Depends on your playstyle

[lofty sand]

Right now I'm pretty much just popping it as soon as desperado ends to get back in sooner

[marble seal]

Then it would make sense to go all in on cd reduction

[mighty belfry]

Ye that's a good choice.

[marble seal]

If you save it just for that

[mighty belfry]

You're not gonna get the balance of viscosity and time right

Because that scales with your level

As you go up, that stimm will decrease in cooldown time to 45s

[lofty sand]

Oh that's very nice

[mighty belfry]

And you'll have more points to spare for the other nodes if you wish to push it further.

[lofty sand]

That'll bring it closer to being able to pop it every time I'm out of desperado, right?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah

[lofty sand]

Nice

But yeah right now I'm all in on the cooldown and will probably take either the ranged node or the extra cooldown node as soon as I can... and idk after that tbh

[modest patio]

I have street tough already

it's bottom middle now

[limber cradle]

Spend 1 point, I'm mainly thinking tertium welcome or punching above one's weight

[astral canyon]

What weapon

[astral canyon]

Its basically free +15% melee damage

[alpine orchid]

Last time I played Forge's Bellow's second shout did not activate, can anyone confirm if that's been fixed this update?

(I have to reinstall the game I can't check myself rn lmao)

[astral canyon]

Anyways does it seem good or is there anything i should replace

Im really feeling the effects of rampage being a 4 point ability at minimum

I really want to take the tdr from chem dep but i dont even know what i could replace

[mighty belfry]

That got fixed a while back

[foggy lantern]

Cooldown maxes out at 75 seconds for the stim. If you're building a CDR stimm, it is better to go the Stimm Supply route to spread that buff to the rest of the team. If it's for Rampage, I recommend going for attack speed and crit chance. For Desperado, you want reload speed and either rending if you dont have a can opener crowbar, or finesse damage if you do.

If you really want extra CDR to lean into your ability with, spec into Chemical Dependency.

[alpine orchid]

Oh. lmao

Yeah I haven't logged in in a few weeks my b

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-b-that-this-man-big-chungus-reddit-gif-16394899

[lofty sand]

Tyvm
Probably gonna be back asking the same question once I've leveled far enough to get the stimm supply and chemical dependency tbh

[alpine orchid]

Also how good/bad is the new Alley Rat thing

[foggy lantern]

Since it's on the same side of the talent tree, you might as well grab coated blades and the subtalent of ChemDep that gives crit chance per stack. If you fit the 4-stack subtalent in as well, you can get up to 20% crit chance just for keeping up with your stimm usage. Great for shivs due to the huge attack rate.

[frigid thorn]

if you're running rampage/chemdep, is it still best to just run like maxed out cooldown stims?

[lofty sand]

And here I was planning on making a gun build with this
I get that I can do both but still

[eager reef]

god damn is my game crashing alot

[astral canyon]

4 stack chem dep isnt really that good

doesn't do enough to be worth the extra point and makes running maxed out stimms not as reliable

if it was 5 stacks it would maybe be worth

crit chance is really good tho and the primary reason you even take the keystone

btw i still think chem dep shouldve given stimm cdr as well

[timid idol]

Alright 2 potentially stupid questions from a new hivescum:

1. Any resources for the attack flowcharts on the Hivescum specific weapons?
2. What sort of cooldowns am I actually looking for in my stimm? Like I could completely fill it but a 75s cooldown feels like a bad idea

[astral canyon]

theres not really any issue with maxed out stimm

[verbal dew]

long cooldowns are not that much of an issue because of sample collector

[astral canyon]

ye

[verbal dew]

you just kill stuff to have them come back sooner

[timid idol]

ah, gotcha

[verbal dew]

especially now that sample collector is basically free

[astral canyon]

also the most complexity you really get on scum weapon attack patterns is mk3 shivs having push attack into heavy for single target

[frigid thorn]

for tacaxe, is it best to go down the crit chance tree on the stims?

[timid idol]

Darn, I've been playing with the Mk1 shivs and I've been trying to find any sorta complexity in it at all outside PA -> H2

[mighty belfry]

I'd do it if you're running coated

[astral canyon]

nah mk1 is just light spam for hordes and heavy spam for single target

[frigid thorn]

I maxed out the Crit chance one and got the Fervor one lol

[astral canyon]

though if you take hyperviolence (which you should) you can also drop a heavy on some random trash poxwalker to get a bunch of overkill damage to boost your light spam

[foggy lantern]

Avoid using Hypercritical though, kills from that do not count.

[limber cradle]

Shivs

[modest patio]

I really like punching above

[mighty belfry]

That's blackouts

Sample collector is procced normally on hypercrit kills

[astral canyon]

idk if thats the case but hypercritical is still worth taking

[mighty belfry]

Blackouts are the thing with the weird antisynergy

And honestly

Even that's a nothingburger

[frigid thorn]

Blackouts still don't come back from toxin and hyper kills?

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[frigid thorn]

Oh noooo

[astral canyon]

ig that explains why it felt like it was taking longer than it should to get blackout charges back

[frigid thorn]

That always has me scratching my head when I killed a bunch but was still on like one grenade lol

[foggy lantern]

Oh, it is? Didn't used to.

[astral canyon]

damn thats actually a pretty long list of stuff that doesnt regen blinders

[mighty belfry]

Yeah they fixed that jank a long time ago.

[astral canyon]

i imagine kills from splash damage tox dont count either

[mighty belfry]

Yep

They don't want collateral toxin spread to proc it

And I kinda get it

[astral canyon]

ye between that, hypercrit and coated weaponry its really no wonder it was taking so long to get back blinder charges

[astral canyon]

i do feel like coated could reasonably get a pass

and also bonesaw cause lmao thats a pretty big L for it

[tranquil turret]

so what's the concensus on crowbars now?

[mighty belfry]

Eh

Better but not by any large degree

[tranquil turret]

honestly not sure about that stamina change, doesn't seem much tbh

[mighty belfry]

Probably still better off with the other scum non exclusives

[astral canyon]

the main thing crowbar needs is for latch attacks to properly scale with attack speed

[tranquil turret]

which one would you recommend? Please not tacaxe that thing gave me carpal tunnel

[maiden rune]

does hive scum have better survivability with the new patch.

[astral canyon]

yes

[tranquil turret]

100%. Alley rat is hilarious with range builds and toxin builds got decent buffs on toughness regens

also street tough is pretty good

[astral canyon]

you also just have an extra dodge as a class passive because why not lmao

any glass this cannon mightve had has been gone for a while

[timid idol]

Alright y'all were super right about the sample collection perk

Also, I'm 100% certain it's terrible, but taking a quickdraw revolver with desperado (the normal one, still leveling :p) is too cool

[astral canyon]

agripina?

[mighty belfry]

Could try heavy sword

D claw

Rashad caxe

[tranquil turret]

might give chainaxe a go, thanks 😄

curious about the heavy sword changes, is it viable now?

[muted pivot]

Already was tbh

[tranquil turret]

I always find it awkward to play before

[muted pivot]

For us specifically

It's still probably worse than an axe but yeah

We have needles and rockets so we don't need a melee that eats carapace

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/metzen-say-what-huh-gif-15607523

Most of our melee is still pretty yolked into cara

[astral canyon]

(It should also be a thing for chain weapons tbh)

[main wagon]

Even the broken scissors can just toss two knives, do 2-3 heavies and it’s gg for the average heretic Ogryn

Maybe a couple more if you accidentally hit the canvas of carapace that is his BIG BACK

But backstabbu damage helps even with that

[astral canyon]

Tbf shivs are already a really strong anti-carapace melee by themselves

Heavy attacks have ~60% carapace adm, has uncanny strike to hit nearly 100%

[marble seal]

If you have to fight crusher for more than 5 seconds it’s not viable shrimple as

No one could possibly dodge attacks for that long

[main wagon]

[looks at talent tree]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

You can legally walk away from crushers

[reef spoke]

shivs need buff confirmed

[muted pivot]

I'm saying this in support of heavy sword specifically

And lesserly in support of tac axe

They aren't great into carapace but scum doesn't need to give a shit like the other classes do

[worn gull]

Hey scum, are the dual stubbers still ass?

[rancid gulch]

I'm about to start my scum char, wish me luck 🫡

Hopefully the levelling path changes make the first few levels a bit more survivable, I've heard nothing but complaints about early game

[worn gull]

Good luck, it's a bit of an ass-kicking until you get some talents built out

[tranquil fjord]

still mid

[dim moth]

even if it isn't just crank attack speed/crit chance and spam lights into crushers lmaoooo

[violet steeple]

What are the two modes for saw blade? Toxic dmg and … purple?

[worn gull]

Rending. Stacks -armor debuff. Affects DoTs, so very good after you have some stacks up

[timid idol]

Alright, building out my melee shiv build, I'm assuming I'm probably going to want Krak Launcher Boom Bringer for the Crusher horde murder, Adrenaline for it being the melee keystone, build out my stimm down Spur and Wildfire, and obviously rampage. Daggers are probably uncanny + Precog? And are there any super important nodes I should look into grabbing?

[violet steeple]

Shiva is the best melee for scums yeah?

Shivs *

[worn gull]

Shivs still easily best unless the latest patch threw things off. And some melee scum swear by chem dependency rather than adrenaline

But adrenaline still works

[timid idol]

I mean makes sense, if my psyker time has taught me anything it's that more screaming usually solves your problems

[violet steeple]

I don’t like them. I don’t like dual daggers in vermintide either

The crowbar and saw blade don’t seem great vs hordes? I’m no master by any means.

[worn gull]

Sawblade is meh but kinda fun if you want to do a chem alt build. You really need attack speed and cleave to make it feel like its doing anything

[timid idol]

Should I be going for coated weaponry? or is it not terribly worth it

[violet steeple]

I want to play hive scum I just don’t really like any of their weapons sigh

[worn gull]

Crowbar is okay for melee build but not shivs good.

[main wagon]

Ahh gotcha. In my experience hsword was actually somewhat impressive albeit a bit reliant on the special for cara, but that was on a rampage build

Rampage turned the hsword lights into respectable swings that killed instead of leaving them with cool face scars for the sequel lol

[main wagon]

Whatcha typically run on other classes?

[flat mist]

Its a "sometimes good, but not necessary" type talent. Its nice on bonesaw if you have high crit. On other weapons its mainly just going to help against bosses because on other enemies the stacks you build from it are pretty irrelevant.

Also pathing - if im are taking blackouts im always taking coated weaponry. With chem nades/rpg im taking the extra blitz on everytime

Toxic Renewal seems kinda shit, huh

[rare idol]

i been using splash and coated with toxin on crowbar to try to get mroe stim uptime

i can beat a lot of shit to death but idk that im really able to manage stims

[flat mist]

How often is coated actually causing toxin to get the kill though

The 2% is only on tox KB iirc

[rare idol]

i have no idea how scum works v0v

[flat mist]

Had to double check to be sure

[rare idol]

so if i kill em with chem on i get the coodown reduced right?

[flat mist]

Nah only if chem itself gets the killing blow

Id skip coated weaponry on crowbar

[rare idol]

ok so that does nothing then

[flat mist]

Yeah

I really only find coated weaponry useful for maintaining max chem stacks after spamming a needler clip into a boss then switching to melee

[timid idol]

So this is what I got going right now

Any recommendations? Obvious mistakes?

[flat mist]

Taking an extra nade with blackouts is basically a wasted point since you should be leaving nades for team members with a non regenning blitz

[timid idol]

fair enough

-# I had boom bringer on before, and completely forgot to reassign that point

[flat mist]

Also toxin mania is just bad

[flat mist]

Yeah that happens haha

[timid idol]

Really? feels like a pretty consistent 15% damage

[flat mist]

Nah its actually super inconsistent since things dont just hang around you with tox stacks on

[timid idol]

Fair enough

[flat mist]

Maybe with splash it might be worth it, but i doubt it

[timid idol]

Where should I put the 2 extra points?

[violet steeple]

I don’t really like DS. I like heavy eviscerator, thunder hammer, relic blade- rule of cool.

I used brutal momentum combat (?) axe, on ogryn I like knife and pickaxe

[flat mist]

Gang tough is super strong

Street tough*

Also hypercrit is bonkers on shivs

Also pick pocket

[tranquil fjord]

id recommend the talent under the weakspot one for damage depending on crit chance

instead of the extra blitz with blinders

[timid idol]

Does hypercritical interact with all the "on kill" perks? I know darktide gets weird about instakills

[tranquil fjord]

it doesn't sadly

[timid idol]

Darn

[flat mist]

Oh yeah nah, it will fuck with blackout regen

[timid idol]

Hmm

[tranquil fjord]

its a bug but i doubt theyll fix it

[timid idol]

Maybe I just switch for boom bringer again then

[mighty belfry]

hypercrit is bonkers on any weapon that can crit reliably

[timid idol]

So now I'm running out of perk points, how fucked would I be if I dropped Slippery Customer?

[tranquil fjord]

you can drop that

[flat mist]

TRUE

[mighty belfry]

As in, any weapon scum can use because chem dependency is a thing lol

[flat mist]

Thoughts on splash damage and toxic renewal?

Renewal seems garbage for the same reason mania is garbage

[timid idol]

Alright how's this looking now?

[eager reef]

watching a vet lost a fight to a bruiser then claim they are rusty

[tranquil fjord]

if youre going full melee then i wouldnt recommend pickpocket all of the time

chem dep would do more for shivs but

[timid idol]

-# pretend I didn't accidently switch pulverizing strikes and forge's bellow

[tranquil fjord]

hard point tax

[timid idol]

I'm running a needler secondary, not sure what I would pick up with the point if I were to drop pickpocket

[flat mist]

On kill node for your keystone

Improves uptime drastically

[timid idol]

Does it work with Hyper-critical?

[tranquil fjord]

id recommend the damage node for rampage instead of forge's bellow

[flat mist]

Really doesnt matter tbh, it'll still improve the uptime by a lot

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

[tranquil fjord]

with shivs and uncanny, i dont think the rending on rampage is needed too

[timid idol]

oh for sure, that was a misclick and I'm too lazy to take another photo

[tranquil fjord]

oh

small writing i cant see

[timid idol]

No worries, lol

[tranquil fjord]

my phone's brightness was too low

[flat mist]

Oh also u switched to boombringer

Get your extra nade

[timid idol]

That too

[mighty belfry]

I gotta get more time with em to really tell

But I feel toxic renewal is good if you also run splash damage.

[timid idol]

figured if hyper-critical is gonna fuck with blinders I might as well switch

[mighty belfry]

Since that increases consistency

[mighty belfry]

Is it a rampage build we're talking?

[timid idol]

Yep!

[mighty belfry]

I will say this.

[flat mist]

My initial thought is that renewal is definitely shit without splash and still maybe bad

[tranquil fjord]

i also remember you took 5% crit refinement on shiv

i think, if you arent taking chem dep for crit chance

itd be better to take riposte instead of precog to get more crit chance

[mighty belfry]

I think it's gonna be one of those cases

That are better the denser the hordes are.

[timid idol]

Fair enough

With Extra pouches, I could also just take Virulent Strain and switch to chem dependancy

[flat mist]

Yeah, clear out the chaff while you're hemmed in situation

[timid idol]

Which I might do just to try it for a while

[flat mist]

Bc two stacks is never gonna kill an elite

[mighty belfry]

You gotta use other means to propagate the toxin more.

[timid idol]

I guess I could take pocket toxin but I feel like if something survives the boom bringer the toxin won't help much

[mighty belfry]

I appreciate that they played it safe to never let it go past 2 stacks on itself honestly

[flat mist]

With a pock tox blackout u hit breakpoints

[mighty belfry]

Because it would be absurd if it was like perilous.

[flat mist]

Yeah that'd be absurd

Possibly worse than even 4 stack perilous

[river skiff]

Not very fucked since you have 1 more dash now

[timid idol]

Alrighty, Version 3

With 40% less misclicking on the wrong perk like an idiot

[flat mist]

Pls always take the last node on top right

(Stimm)

[timid idol]

ah

Was trying to keep the cooldown low

[flat mist]

Its worth the increase

Drop another node on the bottom left if you want to save cd

They made the fourth node objectively worse than the prior ones for some reason

(Well, worse than spur I and spur II)

[timid idol]

Yeah dropping spur 4 leaves me at a 57s cooldown

Which feels workable

[flat mist]

2s CD increase to lose irrelevant stam and 4% attack speed and gain 4% strength and 25% finesse

Insanely good trade

[timid idol]

And this is why I consult those with a few more braincells than me

[red solar]

Just had to fight the pack master in the closed gate transition thingy solo so the gate will open it was goofy

[flat mist]

Sounds fun

[red solar]

mmmm with the hive scum build I had on wasn't that interesting

as other classes it would be more interesting

had dodge distance talent and the shivs

didn't seem that threatening without any other enemies with it

hivescum is so miserable sometimes for me I cant really kill much with shivs they're like low stats for now cause I don't really have resources to max it out

but tbf I'm level 24 not 30 yet so I havn't looked into viable builds

I think I just run away from my team too much and I don't provide anything at all when I do it

took all attack speed for now not much damage

[river skiff]

Weird stim lab

Why to skip 25% finesse for 16% atk speed?

[river skiff]

He's bonkers broken

Get your stuff leveled up

[hybrid veldt]

Bonesaw

Enjoyers

Where you at?

[timid idol]

Incompetence! Has since been fixed

[hybrid veldt]

@river skiff my stim is even more cooked in your vision

[marble flower]

I haven't played in awhile, I think since around when hive scum came out. But the builds I had that worked great back then aren't working well now. Any broken builds that work after this update?

[hybrid veldt]

BOOM

[flat mist]

Symmetrical stimm best stimm

[hybrid veldt]

39secs

[timid idol]

Perfectly balanced

[hybrid veldt]

Cant complain

[timid idol]

As all things should be

[hybrid veldt]

4 stacks of dependency

[river skiff]

I think pretty much everyone should be running full cooldown tree alongside with one else of your choice but preferably DMG one to get your ability right after your stim

[hybrid veldt]

I think going for 5 nodes in 1 tree towards the end scale up, i feel i get more for less with not as strong stats but a mixture of all of them

[lofty sand]

So I'm struggling a lot to get throwing knives back on the shivs
How the hell does backstab work?
Is it just any melee from behind?
Is there some method to more consistently get enemies to not turn towards you?

[hybrid veldt]

At 39second time, which was quicker then 45seconds and I had 2 more nodes of stats

[river skiff]

That's true but it doesn't matter if you run sample collector which I hope everyone does it's so broken

😭

[hybrid veldt]

Here's my main build for scum

Tho thinking of editing it slightly

[near mauve]

just secure a melee kill

throw 2 at a crusher do 2 heavies and make sure he dies to the melee hit

and not to the tox

[river skiff]

Your stim feeds your ult and your ult feeds back your stim - which means you are boosted 100% of the time in some way

[lofty sand]

I know I can just melee specialists and elites but there's other things that buff backstabs or require them so I want to know how to make them happen

[river skiff]

All elites and specials restore one ogryns 2 if I am not mistaken

[red solar]

yea just running a non optimal loadout but going to change all that at level 30

[river skiff]

Ignore backstabs for scum way too inconsistent without any threat %

[lofty sand]

Is threat % like aggro?

[river skiff]

Yeah

If you had 90% threat detection as vet you could actually stack these 10%

[lofty sand]

This is a question for my playing of every class
I tried asking in another channel but got ignored

[river skiff]

But since you don't most of the time you get to 1/2 stacks before losing them altogether

Plus most of the enemies tend to face you straight

[lofty sand]

Yeah that's my issue
I'm looking for like
A particular method to dodge around them or maybe abuse push stun or something idk

[main wagon]

Push/Push Attack, side dodge around them, heavy

[lofty sand]

Ahh, tyvm, I'll give it a try

[main wagon]

It kinda just naturally happens as you circle the horde and M1 spam tho

Think of fighting hordes in Darktide like herding cattle into a small box

[lofty sand]

I haven't been having much luck with that, oddly enough

[mighty belfry]

alright

heavy sword

holy shit

[main wagon]

Real gaming hours

[river skiff]

Maybe with the new 50% dodge distance but honestly it's not worth it - it puts you in more danger and you will likely lose stacks soon after

[main wagon]

Hsword bangs

I’m so hype to try expeditions when I get home tonight

[river skiff]

Keep dodges as defensive tool

[river skiff]

Orrr

If you really wanna try it

Take some weapon that has refresh dodge efficiency as a blessing and try it that way

[river skiff]

Should be safer than without it

[hybrid veldt]

found this to be bad honestly

unrealiable

proc

[river skiff]

But I still think 50% DMG will be inconsistent

[river skiff]

You need coated weaponry for consistent procs of toxin but this is fine as it increases base dmg reliably when it procs

[hybrid veldt]

yeah but as i test it 4m is a small area

and 9/10 enemies die before the proc happens

since you need to hit them to proc it

[mighty belfry]

it's pretty consistent for me

[hybrid veldt]

as a finial hit, yet if they die without this then you dont proc it

[river skiff]

You need to first kill elites

[hybrid veldt]

personally i found it not as good

[mighty belfry]

"with a Melee Attack"

[hybrid veldt]

yeah?

it needs to be a melee final hit

if chem kills them before i do

then it doesnt proc

[river skiff]

??

[hybrid veldt]

anyway

i switched it up for this

[river skiff]

How many chem stacks you even apply lmao

😂

[hybrid veldt]

alot

[river skiff]

I only ever find it relevant for bosses

I deal way too much DMG in melee for enemies to be dying to toxin

[hybrid veldt]

3 stacks on a crit

not to mention thats 1 hit

[river skiff]

But it doesn't matter since sample collector just needs em to be infected

[hybrid veldt]

crit chance is insanely high

[river skiff]

Oh that explains quite a lot

I only do 1 stack at a time

[hybrid veldt]

kinda sad tbh

even with 80 crit its only 4.8%

🙁

why fatshark

why not 5%

[river skiff]

It's likely it acts as 5 in practice

Programs hate floating points

[hybrid veldt]

damn

i been thinking honestly

[river skiff]

Useless

[hybrid veldt]

yeah true

1 shot is unrealiable

[river skiff]

Especially with chem build

[river skiff]

Chem ticks make this very hard to proc

Unfortunately

[hybrid veldt]

crowbar could be good?

[river skiff]

I'd love more finnese on the saw tho

[hybrid veldt]

very fair point honestly

[river skiff]

You don't wanna be depleting your stamina in the first place

Jittery only works above 75% stamina

[hybrid veldt]

sometimes i cant control my stam

brutes and crushers like to 1v1 face tank all the dmg

[river skiff]

That's fair but it's very optional

You don't wanna be intentionally draining your stamina to proc it so it's too situational

[hybrid veldt]

this 1 nod is enough apparently

[river skiff]

It's

[river skiff]

There are blessings that are active always

It's better to have those than 50% strength 1% of the time

[hybrid veldt]

well as it depletes

so 50% could range

as stam is managed

realistically if you were at say 80% stam all game that would be roughly 10-15% dmg buff

[river skiff]

Yeah

[hybrid veldt]

as strength

zealot would benifit from it

tbh

[river skiff]

I mean you wanna be pushing often so you get some use of it but it's not for very long and full effect is extremely situational

[hybrid veldt]

this needs better explaining in my opinion

[hybrid veldt]

yea

flat strength builds could stack insane amounts of flat strengh

[river skiff]

I think it's self reinforcing until it reaches critical mass where it gets reset

[hybrid veldt]

im sure you could pull off some crazy raw dmg build

[lofty sand]

So you get a quarter of your overkill as bonus damage for a single second?
That doesn't sound that great tbh but maybe I'm just not seeing something

[hybrid veldt]

ohh so 25% of current mob hp as dmg

for 1 sec

[river skiff]

Now imagine you kill 10 grunts in that one second

[flat mist]

It stacks.

[river skiff]

It's great horde clear tool

[lofty sand]

Anything that can kill that many grunts isn't going to give that much damage bonus though, right? Even stacking

[hybrid veldt]

sounds kinda lack luster, sure brutes have 4k health so 25% would be 1000 dmg proc

but it would only proc for 1 second

[flat mist]

Grunt has 500 health. Crit headshot it for 2k. You're now doing +375 damage.

[lofty sand]

Hang on am I misreading it? It's 25% of the excess damage, right? Not their total health?

[hybrid veldt]

25% of the total health

[river skiff]

As I said it's self reinforcing - it makes cleave deal more damage in later swipes but it can get reset if your damage reaches threshold of instant kills then the whole loop starts again

[flat mist]

No

[hybrid veldt]

25% of the health of enemy re-used as dmg for 1 second?

[lofty sand]

Oh wait I see, the difference between the attack damage and the health
So yeah it would be better for low damage high cleave stuff

[river skiff]

No

[hybrid veldt]

no?

someone explain it

to much wizardry for me

[flat mist]

Read the full talent

[lofty sand]

The difference between your attack's damage and the enemy health
So if your attack deals thirty damage and the enemy has 100 health then the difference is 70 and you're dealing a quarter of that

[flat mist]

Youve ignored like 3/4 of the text

[digital lynx]

its not that hard to get if you read it

[mighty belfry]

this

may actually be my new favorite weapon proper

[river skiff]

Imagine you have a grunt with 100 hp

You deal 200 DMG instantly killing him - 25% of it adds to your later dmg procs so the next grunt in the line gets 25 more damage than it would otherwise get

[mighty belfry]

heavy sword is so god damn fun on this class now

[hybrid veldt]

the damage difference between the health and the damage you deal?

[flat mist]

Yes

[digital lynx]

divide the excess damge youve dealt to the enemies health after death by 25%

[hybrid veldt]

so it would be even less depending on the attack

[flat mist]

25% of that

[digital lynx]

youy get that much damge for 1s

[hybrid veldt]

if its a light it wouldnt scale insanely off 25%

[rancid gulch]

Is needle gun the best gun for scum? Anything else even worthwhile?

[digital lynx]

i still really like the smgs

if you go ranged

[flat mist]

Thats why you start with a heavy

[lofty sand]

It's not even the excess, is it? It's just the difference

[river skiff]

It scales quite hard but it has a cap to it

[flat mist]

Jesus christ

[mighty belfry]

you start with heavies

[hybrid veldt]

nah cbf

[mighty belfry]

and even lights will ramp up a lot of overkill in a dense horde

legit disservice to not run hyperviolence on melee builds

[flat mist]

Uh yeah a cap so high your game will crash

[digital lynx]

so the scaling with it comes with the fact that it ramps and its gives itself more damage the more you kill with it

[flat mist]

You can oneshot a boss with it

Not that that will ever happen in reality

[mighty belfry]

it's completely infinite as long as you keep on killing

[digital lynx]

does it still not work with hype crit

cause thats still nice for shivs to wipe hordes

[flat mist]

Hyper crit doesnt overkill

[mighty belfry]

It never didn't.

[digital lynx]

ya

[flat mist]

But its still better to use both if you have the points

[digital lynx]

i didnt know if they changed it

[lofty sand]

Wait where does it say that it's the overkill?

[mighty belfry]

it never got changed, the antisynergy everyone was scared of was a nothingburger to begin with

[flat mist]

In the description

[lofty sand]

I know I said that earlier but that was when I was misreading it

[mighty belfry]

this is now

[flat mist]

The difference between your DAMAGE (eg 2k) and the enemies health (eg 500)

[mighty belfry]

like

the 1000th time this hv/hc topic has come up lol

[flat mist]

So (2000-500)/4

[flat mist]

Its only complicated for maths goobers

[digital lynx]

i still really dont like melee hivescum

[lofty sand]

It doesn't say the excess
Just the difference

[digital lynx]

it just feels like worse zealot or psyker

[flat mist]

Jesus christ

What do you think that means

[river skiff]

It's capped by enemy hp - if your later attacks in one cleave starts killing enemies without much overkill it gets scaled back a bit - previously these enemies at the end of the line would still be alive which would feed the next round of overkill for hyper violence but since they are dead it won't

[mighty belfry]

"worse zealot"

[flat mist]

A negative number?

You think its a debuff?

[mighty belfry]

It's capped by enemy hp until you reach a threshold where you will always get a significant amount of overkill enough to keep the flow of it going

it's just a matter of hitting something in that 1s to keep it going

[lofty sand]

No I just don't know why you're assuming oneshots
If you melee a crusher's last five hp or something, for example, then it's not going to give you the two points of excess from your dagger, it's going to give you a quarter of the difference between the couple thousand full hp and your double-digit dagger damage, no?

[flat mist]

We didnt assume a oneshot

You did

I didnt say max health

[river skiff]

I agree just pointing out it's not infinite

[lofty sand]

Okay fair, but still, you're saying it's the excess damage, no?

[flat mist]

If you melee a crushwrs last 5 health with a 4005 damage hit you will get a 1000 damage bonus

[hybrid veldt]

normally

[flat mist]

Yes its the excess damage lol

[hybrid veldt]

thats the damage increase

1500 on heavy

for 1 second

in damage

[lofty sand]

Where does it say it's the excess?
It's the difference between the weapon damage and the enemy health, as in the damage of whatever attack it was even if it's just 20 or something, and the amount of max health the enemy had
Is that not what it says?

[flat mist]

Its not their max health

[digital lynx]

i think you might need to look through a dictonary

[glad latch]

This aura does nothing in expiditions since the devs forgot to add ammo pickups lol.

[astral canyon]

Why are you talking about max health

[lofty sand]

Okay it does just say the health of the killed enemy, sure

[river skiff]

It's excess damage difference between their hp and the attack that killed them

[lofty sand]

What part do you say I'm not getting
Please, I really do just want to understand this

[astral canyon]

Max health does not matter

[flat mist]

(Damage of hit-Enemies CURRENT health)/4

[river skiff]

Ammo pick ups are somewhat pointless since you can get all ammo back for 10 scrap in sanctuaries

[astral canyon]

Only thing that matters is their current hp on the moment they took the hit and the damage you dealt with that hit

[lofty sand]

Okay so is this just a difference of reading?
It does not say current health at all that I can see

[flat mist]

Current health is the default

[lofty sand]

Or has it been actually, like, tested and proven that it's the current health?

[lofty sand]

Wdym?

[glad latch]

Yeah, but they should still have ammo pickups otherwise the aura is more or less bugged since it can't function.

[hybrid veldt]

honestly

about to go to the psyc an test it myself

[flat mist]

"How much health does the boss have?"

If its damaged are you going to tell your teammate what its max health is?

[hybrid veldt]

all this talk and no practical evidence

[river skiff]

They wanted you to use new builds .. They achieved it ig

[hybrid veldt]

yes

mods can do this

[lofty sand]

Please do, this is giving me a headache

[hybrid veldt]

[hybrid veldt]

i gtg to a appointment

so afterwards sure

[astral canyon]

#hivescum-class message

[glad latch]

I mostly play melee HS anyway, but is still an oversight for sure. besides HS can still have infinite ammo via pickpocket anyway, it's mostly the team mates that will get nothing if the ammo aura is selected.

[river skiff]

Same here

Tbh I never used pickpocket

[river skiff]

Never felt like I needed it

[mighty belfry]

it is. only thing is you actually need to ramp up enough overkill to disregard the health pool of what you're hitting

which isn't impossible

but because of the 1s time, in theory, you're never gonna get gains that crazy

at least not consistently enough that it's gonna bring you to like

100s of thousands of damage

so, technically infinite, but in practice, you're never really gonna take full advantage of that fact.

now if it was prerelease hyperviolence

lmao

[river skiff]

I think you are confusing 2 things - We want to disregard hp of things we are hitting yes - but if we achieve it by hyper violence these kills won't have much overkill dmg to them at all - not saying it's bad but it keeps it from scaling infinitely even tho it reaches a consistent level of one shots per swipe that's above the baseline

[mighty belfry]

I feel like you're underestimating the heights hyperviolence can actually achieve. There's a point where you're doing enough damage that you can keep the flow consistent because you're doing so much overkill that even against larger targets, you're still doing a ton of overkill to be transferred

It's more the time that caps it than anything

[river skiff]

I am not underestimating it - I think the talent is nuts all I am saying is that it doesn't have infinite scaling

[digital lynx]

6 crushers have enter the chat and are blocking swings into the horde

[river skiff]

Most of the time probably

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-explosion-rpg-boom-gif-5135363

[river skiff]

Lmao

[digital lynx]

You cant rocket launcher away all the problems in you life

[spice cloud]

Yes i can

[river skiff]

Is that a dare?

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/femme-fatale-фемфаталь-вивьенcабо-vivienne-sabo-pomadella-gif-20995704

[river skiff]

[main wagon]

One single groaner

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-gif-19479612

[main wagon]

BACK BLAST NOT CLE-

[digital lynx]

tbf that groaner is a menace

[spice cloud]

Forreal tho

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-bomb-explosion-cat-mad-gif-16907961

[spice cloud]

Crushers are not that bad as scum

Its usually the bullwarks for me

[river skiff]

2 shot all of em

[hybrid veldt]

20 crushers are on their way as we speak

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-car-krusty-simpsons-jheaton416-gif-4939143860707268157

[hybrid veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/fraggle-rock-conga-line-dance-party-gobo-fraggle-gif-25150158

Pox bursters be like

[spice cloud]

I had some scary conga lines in expeditions

[river skiff]

Oh yeah gotta love when they clip into each other while doing their crushing attacks

[spice cloud]

At the end there was so many crushers and bullwarjs

[hybrid veldt]

when they corner you

Its over

[spice cloud]

I had the power maul luckily

And grenade box