Blinders are my favorite, personally
#hivescum-class
limber cradle
upbeat pendant
I’ve had times when I rpg a crowd and there was a pox burster inside and someone goes down
mighty belfry
Pocket Chem nades are actually really good
limber cradle
Chem pools with bonus stacks talents iirc auto kill anything below a mauler
mighty belfry
But for melee, I just think blinders are better overall
For the sake of immediate stagger
upbeat pendant
Does blinders stagger bosses out of grab animations?
reef spoke
But for melee, I just think blinders are better overall
indeed, it helps you can also give them toxin if you want to go that route
limber cradle
Blinders are the best "what lone poxxie is body blocking me rn?" Nade imo
reef spoke
Does blinders stagger bosses out of grab animations?
no
mighty belfry
Does blinders stagger bosses out of grab animations?
No, unfortunately.
limber cradle
Imagine if they did lol
mighty belfry
But that's why we run Forge's 
reef spoke
tox blinders can kill horde enemies in Damnation and below
limber cradle
If my idiot teammate gets grabbed it's their fault
reef spoke
sadly Havoc scaling is too high for tox blinders to kill in 1 nade
reef spoke
If my idiot teammate gets grabbed it's their fault
to be fair, that beast of nurgle looked so friendly :c
reef spoke
indeed
would be hilarious if tox blinders got buffed to where they 1 nade hordes in havoc lol
upbeat pendant
I’m going full bottom right tree with triple toughness curios and tanking everything
reef spoke
with toughness stim to double down on it c:
zenith fern
Does blinders stagger bosses out of grab animations?
no lol
they not built like impacts
upbeat pendant
Wait is stagger in this game like a bar to fill or a threshold?
mighty belfry
Threshold.
near mauve
undervaluing rockets is crazy
u can insta delete a crusher pack FOUR TIMES not counting pickups
that's insane
upbeat pendant
Is there a guide on stagger thresholds for each enemy and weapons base stagger?
near mauve
the pinned guide in vet chat
near mauve
or kuli's guide
low harbor
upbeat pendant
Nice thank you
mighty belfry
Oh well I was just about to link that
low harbor
just check the stagger breakpoints in mine
with most enemies u won't need to care about stagger breakpoints
it's just a select few where it matters a lot
mighty belfry
Also with this change, are we possibly seeing some hive scum snippets in the guide?
low harbor
Also with this change, are we possibly seeing some hive scum snippets in the gui...
lol I still need to overhaul all the weapon sections to newest format with images
low harbor
images are great cuz they save character limit
I might also merge weapon with its blessing section into one
to debloat the navigation panel
@mighty belfry did u see the newest format in my guide
it's just fully comprised of images for atk breakdown
mighty belfry
I didn't. I've barely been playing recently 😭
This six day work week got me fucked up
low harbor
it's just fully comprised of images for atk breakdown
which massively reduces the num of characters used
leaves space for putting more stuff in
I kinda want to overhaul ranged weapons with this format too
reef spoke
undervaluing rockets is crazy
u can insta delete a crusher pack FOUR TIMES not c...
if only there was like a lingering toxin grenade that could do anti-everything for like 30s instead of for 1 shot...
mighty belfry
if only there was like a lingering toxin grenade that could do anti-everything f...
It's the wait that balances that out though
RPGs are immediate
reef spoke
It's the wait that balances that out though
it's 6 stacks of toxin, you're not waiting long and it's not like hivescum has issues dodging
mighty belfry
Yeah true. But that doesnt mean the wait isn't worth considering. And especially for Havoc and with certain modifiers, that actually becomes an issue
low harbor
I kinda want to overhaul ranged weapons with this format too
but I will prob just play the new mode when update drops next tuesday
reef spoke
They already exist
I meant one that fires a rocket that sprays a field of toxin
because I want my cake and I want to eat it too UwU
mighty belfry
I see the vision. Carry on.
clear isle
Does rampage still have exhaustion when it wears off?
I don't see it in the talent description and I havent played in a while
alright thanks!
zenith fern
Does rampage still have exhaustion when it wears off?
not anymore sadly
stark escarp
fuck you mean sadly, respectfully
astral canyon
It was a cool piece of flavor and helped balance what is an extremely strong ability
bronze glade
god forbid players have to plan ahead slightly
and deal with consequences of recklessness
mighty belfry
fuck you mean sadly, respectfully
Rampage gives up to 75% extra melee damage for completely free now
astral canyon
75% melee strength*
livid raven
it should be buffed 10 more times, you say?
mighty belfry
Like, that simply isn't balanced. At most the stamina debuff could have been adjusted a tad
That's it.
bronze glade
10 more buffs to assail, SG and ramp
livid raven
so damn zased
worn yoke
i see that the hive scum tree is revised or is being revised?
lost ravine
is being revised (again)
worn yoke
2nd time is the charm
arctic imp
2nd time is the charm
it looks beautiful now. Some complaints still but fatshark knows their game better than we can pretend to.
arctic imp
The environments remind me so much of what vermintide environments looked like. It isn’t linear of course but it’s the architecture and skybox
livid raven
i dunno man, it all looks brown
vast plover
is being revised (again)
take away the toughness per hit talent fatshark you know you want to do it
mighty belfry
Honestly I wish zealot had a talent like that
All of their talents regarding hitting enemies is on kill.
clear isle
lads, so what's the fastest way to farm the "purge the heretics" penance? cuz I have 580 hours on the game and I only have 287k/1m kills...
drifting heron
Playing the game
drifting heron
Theres no real more effective method besides running like
clear isle
aint no way I have to get to 2000 hours...
drifting heron
Psyker on true solos
If you try to grind that you will burn yourself the fuck out
clear isle
I guess I aint gonna get that one ever then
livid raven
well, what difficulty do you play
clear isle
right now, damnation and auric
livid raven
no idea then, built different maybe
drifting heron
Or playing havoc most likely
dreamy rover
Did yall see the new talent tree yet?
livid raven
nah i would waste more time finding a match than slaying
mighty belfry
lads, so what's the fastest way to farm the "purge the heretics" penance? cuz I ...
You don't farm this penance
livid raven
isn't it just a title anyway
poxslayer?
something like that, the orange title for people who can't beat maelstrom
clear isle
true but I just wanted to get a 100% on the game lol
livid raven
makes sense
clear isle
its all meaningless
marble seal
Anyone know how the new dodge node choices work
Dodge is too complicated for me to understand
livid raven
uhh the new dodge node makes it so when you dodge, you cover 50% more ground
and you get a choice between that or Nimble, which is already in the game
mighty belfry
And nimble makes you cover normal ground faster while making you considered "dodging" for longer
Last part mainly being for dodging ranged fire more efficiently
livid raven
nimble sounds much better imo
mighty belfry
Honestly depends. We haven't really seen how the new node will affect things
livid raven
oh also you can of course just not take any of the two
vapid jungle
I am going to get myself killed with the distance for sure
Some of those angled stairways man
livid raven
i can see distance for combat axe and other shitass slow weapons
livid raven
how so
mighty belfry
Because I'm fairly certain nimble right now both increases dodge speed and distance
mighty belfry
Or it increases distance by virtue of the faster dodge
But that's weird. What would the other node really do differently
vapid jungle
I guess we'll see but it looks like its the same.
I feel like the distance is prolly overkill for most weps.
livid raven
Scum with double power falchion
marble seal
Give scum force greatsword and rumbler
mighty belfry
Give scum plasma gun
low harbor
But that's weird. What would the other node really do differently
50% dodge distance is crazy man
mighty belfry
50% dodge distance is crazy man
I imagine it is.
I just need to see how it scales compared to Nimble
If anything
It feels like that node is gonna be better for the slower weapons if it plays out how i think it's gonna play out
low harbor
I imagine it is.
+50% dodge distance gives rashad like 3.78m dodge lol
mighty belfry
Meaning
Heavy sword stocks are rising once again
Especially since you can be more mobile with new h sword
lost ravine
Give scum plasma gun
pickpocket plasma..
clever wren
pickpocket plasma..
icy scaffold
Give scum Reconlas 🙏
manic wolf
Give scum plasma gun
Fuck that, give Scum the Shovel
astral canyon
give scum pickaxe
lost ravine
give scum power sword
clever wren
give scum trollhammer torpedo
lost ravine
give scum trollhammer torpedo
reef spoke
+50% dodge distance gives rashad like 3.78m dodge lol
it's actually a nerf because they secretly removed all the guard rails on the maps uwU
pale trench
it's actually a nerf because they secretly removed all the guard rails on the ma...
Sweet, now I can fling myself off the ledges accidentally 50% faster
pale trench
Give scum plasma gun
And bolter
astral canyon
god scum with mk3 bolter would be fucking insufferable
pale trench
I feel like the distance is prolly overkill for most weps.
For melee builds I think +50% dodge distance is too much. Can't stay on target as easily and can't always exploit this will all the enemies surrounding you in melee.
For my melee Scum builds I'll be sticking with Nimble. Still good.
mighty belfry
For melee builds I think +50% dodge distance is too much. Can't stay on target a...
Not every weapon has a good dodge distance on scum
Like, I could 100% see rashad and heavy swords making a lot of use out of 50% dodge distance
drifting heron
Just do rapid spins once you reach your desired distance
Or do the old ass zealot tech of bending your dodge behind a bulwark so you can get the chained backstab talent working
pale trench
Like, I could 100% see rashad and heavy swords making a lot of use out of 50% do...
To be honest I don't use those often. I don't even really use daggers or shivs at all, either. I think with the weapons I use Nimble is fine. It's more about dodging at the right time than dodging further.
pale trench
Or do the old ass zealot tech of bending your dodge behind a bulwark so you can ...
I hate backstab anything because I feel as though you have to be perfectly perpendicular to your enemy's back or it doesn't work and that's so hard to do in this game
mighty belfry
Yeah, but point is, there are some weapons that most likely will like having the dodge distance.
drifting heron
I hate backstab anything because I feel as though you have to be perfectly perpe...
120 degrees
pale trench
Yeah, but point is, there are some weapons that most likely will like having the...
I know there are, just most of the time with a melee weapon you shouldn't need it. On a few, it could be a big help
I'd take it in almost every ranged build though
pale trench
120 degrees
I'm definitely exaggerating, but my experience is that it feels inconsistent.
mighty belfry
Also I'm gathering, it may also affect whether you wanna take jittery or not.
light shadow
they should make a power melee for scum n make it like daul power daggers where u attack faster n do a lil bit more dmg
low harbor
Give scum plasma gun
tbh plasma pistol not impossible now that plasma wield time is getting a nerf
lavish bronze
i see plasma pistol in dt if it ever happens as faster but less damaging variant
dusk robin
Crackhead with plasma pistol would be great
river skiff
I hate backstab anything because I feel as though you have to be perfectly perpe...
I think they should give it to vet instead
90% threat level would make it consistent enough while giving a big dmg boost
Because yeah it does not synergize with anything in scum tree
fallen void
does hyper violence activate on guns
upbeat pendant
does hyper violence activate on guns
no only melee
oh wait no, activating it can be done with any damage, its only melee that gets the damage buff
low harbor
does hyper violence activate on guns
melee only
lavish bronze
I think arbitor should get a halberdier
nope
wont happen 100%
not in theyre codex not happening
going by same logic we can ask for grenad elaunchers and lmgs
dusk robin
Ogryn giant spoon
lost ravine
force halberd
hybrid veldt
30k powerswords 
Anyway I think expanding the hive scums weapons with maybe like over sized nail guns for bleed or other wacky 40k weapons
vapid jungle
I want something like the pipe pistol in fo4.
hybrid veldt
I mean adding more weapons overall is nice ingeneral
vapid jungle
Or a frying pan
hybrid veldt
😂
verbal dew
FS is a competent studio and wouldn't even give scum a fo4 pipe pistol
vapid jungle
Yah idk if it exists in the lore but I want it
So I can do a Preston Garvey cosplay
verbal dew
more so meant that fo4 weapons are often very bad
vapid jungle
There's a settlement that needs your help!
verbal dew
psyker has the rogue trader hat that matches at least
sorta a similar coat too but it's sleeveless
doesn't preston have the laser musket tho
that would be funny for scum
makeshift laser weapon
lavish bronze
Anyway I think expanding the hive scums weapons with maybe like over sized nail ...
gw said no
hybrid veldt
🙁
lost ravine
what if they gave hive scum a new mark of shivs but one of the shivs is twice the size ofthe other and also not in reverse grip
lost ravine
it was not an original idea
just sword and dagger
could be released alongside dreg mauler
river skiff
They were dying so much 😭
verbal dew
2 digit deaths or bust
river skiff
I tried so hard and got so far.. xD
upbeat gyro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-XvOzafy2c is there better more TL;DR source for this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQT0Sjg0u2g i guess this is more compact info on this, couldnt find any news for these in written form
Just crazy stuff
compact oyster
Just crazy stuff
This will genuinely be so cracked
And i might not need needle pistol on melee with this
upbeat gyro
Yeah, thats gonna be absurd
Seen this?
manic wolf
Gonna scale so hard with density
upbeat gyro
Was #1 comment on that Mr.E vid
manic wolf
Lule, I don't watch that goober
upbeat gyro
Me neither, why i asked for better source for these changes
Rather than watch him ramble about em excessively long
manic wolf
Ryken I think has the most comprehensive video on it atm, patch notes aint here till patch drops tho idt
There will probably be more in those than what can be put in video form too
upbeat gyro
First few weeks when i returned to game, i checked his content, but after a while when i learned the new game mechanics and classes, started noticing his build advise and other stuff too was questionable or down right bad at some parts
Just because youtube kept pushing him the most
pale trench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-XvOzafy2c is there better more TL;DR source fo...
TLDR: tree got rearranged so more builds "waste" fewer nodes and some talents are rebalanced by changing their nodes and connections. For example sample collector is now super easy for every build to get it that wants it, as it's now higher up and a central node with lots of connections.
Pickpocket barely nerfed.
A few useless nodes removed, a few new ones added.
Mostly tree rearrangement, but a good one.
silver mural
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283579612695625729/1180115604636696576/...
Your darktide UI looks weird af /j
Melee chem is gonna go so hard with the changes like damn
It was already my favourite build
silver mural
Very similar for sure just a bit more crit a lot less cleave and better dot but slower to apply
silver mural
Just focus few elites in packs and they all melt
Heavy 1 go brrrrrr
Freaking love that attack
So visceral and rippy
For blessings, do people think the cleave on hit is better then the minus enemy mass on kill?
upbeat gyro
Yeah i just finished 8th, 2 left for insignia ill never use so ending there
Was after those resources
hybrid veldt
Ez Wins
river skiff
This will genuinely be so cracked
It does not kill anyone
I think it will increase your DPS quite a bit but will not help you that much with eliminating stuff
upbeat gyro
Yeah im not a fan, shoehorns too much what is viable in it
river skiff
Yeah im not a fan, shoehorns too much what is viable in it
It just showcases the extent to which poxbursters are broken and also bombs after death are also annoying
Plus some classes will really struggle with waves of bulwarks
I was dying in pain anytime I used zealot lmaoo
river skiff
I think it will increase your DPS quite a bit but will not help you that much wi...
Honestly that combined with flame staff will be really effective
But otherwise somewhat meh
river skiff
But otherwise somewhat meh
If it could kill poxwalkers on its own it would have been busted with sample collector
upbeat pendant
it probably could if you take that other new perk which increases the damage they take by 10% when they get infected with tox
river skiff
2 stacks kills a lot of things
It does not
winged bay
yes it does
it kills all unarmored non-elites/specials, including groaners and with buffs poxwalkers
winged bay
you can just shoot at things with your needler alt-fire to apply 2 stacks to see what it kills
livid raven
you could just go in the game and try shooting a poxwalker with the special mode of the needlegun
that's 2 stacks on hit
winged bay
and there's the new 10% damage buff you can pick which lets you hit the poxwalker breakpoint I believe
and unarmored toxin modifier is 2.5x vs 0.9 infested, so all dregs die
river skiff
and there's the new 10% damage buff you can pick which lets you hit the poxwalke...
A lil too much overextension for a melee build I do not wanna invest 4 points just to get this
upbeat pendant
tbf if a pox walker gets close enough for splash damage to even tag it, you probably are gonna push them anyways
manic wolf
I dont think looking for a 2 stack breakpoint is even relevant if you consider how hard this is gonna scale with density
winged bay
okay actually In Your Face wont apply so I overlooked that
manic wolf
It's gonna massively expedite the deaths of everything near you regardless
livid raven
also starts HV
manic wolf
also starts HV
Yeah, it could help scale that really hard
Less HP on enemy hit = bigger overkill = bigger HV proc
Like Splash Damage is gonna be absurdly strong
river skiff
Less HP on enemy hit = bigger overkill = bigger HV proc
Oh my actually I think I will go for it now
LOL
livid raven
they are basically always in groups of 4-7
manic wolf
Yeah
Like looking for a 2 stack BP on poxwalkers would only be relevant in Malice
If you're playing Auric or Havoc, that talent is gonna pop the fuck off constantly
river skiff
If you're playing Auric or Havoc, that talent is gonna pop the fuck off constant...
Atm I am playing havoc
upbeat pendant
desp builds drop from psyker tier, in comes splash damage to bring melee scum to psyker tier
manic wolf
Its Perilous Combustion with its lowest ADM being 0.9 on a class that massively profits from overkilling enemies
Like this skill is ridiculous
river skiff
More density = more profit
Yeah I was thinking I am already killing trash in one hit anyway so them losing half hp before is somewhat meh but I have not thought of hyper violence
manic wolf
desp builds drop from psyker tier, in comes splash damage to bring melee scum to...
Melee Scum was already Psyker tier
winged bay
PC is good because it stacks with other sources of SB though, not comparable
manic wolf
PC is good because it stacks with other sources of SB though, not comparable
This will probably stack with other sources of toxin
winged bay
I don't think so, if it has 2 cap it won't go above 2
river skiff
Melee Scum was already Psyker tier
Fully agree
winged bay
but you can go above the 2 if you apply something else later
manic wolf
The node itself has a 2 cap, until we get it in game, we don't know if thats hard-limited from other sources until we do
manic wolf
but you can go above the 2 if you apply something else later
Indeed, so stacks on crit node, Pocket Tox blackouts
Needlegun
upbeat pendant
I am actually dealing more dmg than psykers
how much on average would you say? i havent played melee much so i cant say
manic wolf
All of which are stupendously easy to use
river skiff
The node itself has a 2 cap, until we get it in game, we don't know if thats har...
I do not think it is limited from other sources but it will not stack on top of each other just refresh its duration I am guessing
winged bay
relevant maybe for blackouts, not really for needler
manic wolf
relevant maybe for blackouts, not really for needler
Why? Just quick swap an dump a few needles, profit
river skiff
how much on average would you say? i havent played melee much so i cant say
Just had 3 games back to back with 1 mil dmg in each
winged bay
since needler already kills everything in 1 or 2 shots and can apply them so fast
it's slower to go for some melee kill and then switch
river skiff
Just had 3 games back to back with 1 mil dmg in each
Others were at 750k
manic wolf
I do not think it is limited from other sources but it will not stack on top of ...
Even if its still totally capped to 2 universally, its still a stupid amount of extra damage fed into HV
upbeat pendant
Just had 3 games back to back with 1 mil dmg in each
just 1 mil? 1.5? last game i tried melee was 1.3
manic wolf
it's slower to go for some melee kill and then switch
It'll be more situational, but it'll still be very viable vs large packs of melee elites/crushers/bulwarks
river skiff
just 1 mil? 1.5? last game i tried melee was 1.3
Relatively low lvl havoc
upbeat pendant
ah ok makes sense
river skiff
just 1 mil? 1.5? last game i tried melee was 1.3
Wait are you counting overkill too?
upbeat pendant
nah
manic wolf
Like I will be going out of my way to take Splash Damage, even if its in a ridiculous place lol
river skiff
It'll be more situational, but it'll still be very viable vs large packs of mele...
I do not think it will do a whole lot against tanky enemies but it can help clear out trash if you can kill their front elites fast enough
upbeat pendant
cause with desp im already hitting 2mil in almost every game unless it was an easy seed
manic wolf
In fact, it doesnt even specify a limit, it just says +2 stacks to local enemies, so there is the potential this scales infinitely
Well, psuedo infinitely
river skiff
Well, psuedo infinitely
Practically infinitely
I doubt you will hit 31 stack cap for poison just from this
manic wolf
I do not think it will do a whole lot against tanky enemies but it can help clea...
Which is the whole point > kill the trash faster with melee, kill the bigger dudes faster because HV proc is massive
No, you likely wont, but it seems it could proc often enough that everything just wilts
The thing I wanna know tho
Can it proc itself
manic wolf
Coz i wouldnt be surprised if they've straight up lifted some of the code from Perilous and if the DoT kills another elite, does it reproc
river skiff
Wait what is wording on it?
upbeat pendant
wdym? it has to be by a melee attack
manic wolf
Oh it does specify melee, yeah
Nvm then
#hivescum-class message @river skiff
Still, this skill is gonna be one of Scum's strongest
river skiff
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1444017590748975125/148272260400...
It does not specify max so I assume max is regular poison cap?
upbeat pendant
yeah, its the first thing im trying out after the update drops
manic wolf
It does not specify max so I assume max is regular poison cap?
Seems like it
river skiff
Okay that can be busted af
upbeat pendant
it can only apply the 2 stacks, stacks from other splash damage procs wont stack
livid raven
if you read the talent, it seems it has no cap
winged bay
as we know the talent descriptions are always accurate
livid raven
hard to say if it's just fatshark, but i doubt it has a special cap
upbeat pendant
the talent doesnt say it but ryken mentions it
river skiff
Okay that can be busted af
It can help with the big guys too
manic wolf
it can only apply the 2 stacks, stacks from other splash damage procs wont stack
It doesnt specify any sort of stack cap, it might do, but until we have it, we don't know
But as I said
Even if its limited to two stacks
upbeat pendant
its still really good yeah
manic wolf
Thats still lowering the HP of every enemy it tags, which means it directly feeds HV
upbeat gyro
https://youtu.be/G-XvOzafy2c?t=1363 Timestamp where Mr E tests that talent
upbeat pendant
man he didnt test if it stacks higher
upbeat pendant
either way melee scum's eating good, if it stacks more than 2, it'll be insane, if not still really good
manic wolf
Jup
Not to mention most of us are saving a couple of points with this tree change
Pure profit
river skiff
Not to mention most of us are saving a couple of points with this tree change
I do not really see where tbh
It feels like I wanna spend more now
LMAO
Before I ignored the whole tox tree
upbeat pendant
yeah, im going all in the tox tree after this
river skiff
Now I need to invest 3 points mandatory there
manic wolf
yeah, im going all in the tox tree after this
Even im considering it now as a previous ardent Adrenaline supporter
upbeat pendant
like chem dep was already really good, then now they add in all these extra goodies in the same tree
ill probably drop the points from the left side and put them into the tox tree
upbeat gyro
I guess the ranged builds gonna invest more into becoming hybrids
And no more just full autoing basic mob groups nonstop
river skiff
like chem dep was already really good, then now they add in all these extra good...
Last time I checked it was lowering cooldown for abilities which is alright if they have long cooldowns but I simply don't feel like I need it when I have stim for the downtime and rampage is just 30 sec cooldown
upbeat gyro
New chem skill + Sample Collector gonna bring lower your downtimes drasticly
upbeat pendant
yeah and the fact that the talent is a dmg buff for everyone and not just yourself since its dmg taken by enemies
pale trench
Melee chem is gonna go so hard with the changes like damn
I can't fucking wait
I don't even care that the crowbar is barely getting buffed either, I love melee Scum with the crowbar
unreal stirrup
either way melee scum's eating good, if it stacks more than 2, it'll be insane, ...
2 is the max stack
It cannot stack more than 2
it doesn't matter anyway since 2 is enough to kill chaffs
lost ravine
no it does matter because imagine the impact this would have on elite packs
upbeat gyro
Stacking beyond 2 would make it absurdly gamebreaking strong
heady moth
So like
Stub Revolver hive scum is really fun
3 shotting crushers on auric is really funny
What's a decent melee weapon for hoard clear? Aside from the shivs of course
heady moth
Oh? Which mark?
manic wolf
Take your pick, they're all good, its just about moveset
heady moth
Tac axe has crit bonus? Oh boy
bronze glade
And IV is very build specific
manic wolf
IV has the best Decimator potential, so thats the one I vibe with
Easy restacks if you drop them coz three hit ultra-fast special
heady moth
Brunt is actually trolling me
manic wolf
He's good at that 
manic wolf
That do be the dump
livid raven
crazy how a weapon can be good if you give it 4 damage stats
manic wolf
Wild innit
heady moth
Featurecast?
Ahhh!
I'm having a dilemma atm
Do I upgrade my revolver and raise the flat 500 damage to like, 502? I really like where it is but also want to raise the rest of the stats
manic wolf
If you have the mats to spunk, mightaswell, but its up to you
heady moth
This gun is chunky as hell and I love it
manic wolf
Not really played much of it on Scum tbh, bangs on Zealot an Vet tho
manic wolf
Scum has Stubbies tho, my beloved
heady moth
At first I went with Crucian Roulette and the speedloader version, because a 12 round cylinder with the 7th and onwards rounds being guaranteed armor piercing crits
That shit was magical
FINALLY got the rolls I needed ffs
manic wolf
The vinegar base for the sauce
loud herald
have we gotten to see this hive scum talent tree rework thing?
or am I on crack and it doesn't exist and I made it up
verbal dew
yes
loud herald
yes as in i'm on crack or yes as in there is a talent tree rework
(could be both tbf)
verbal dew
the tree is reworked yes
astral canyon
yes as in i'm on crack or yes as in there is a talent tree rework
yes
verbal dew
just trying to find the images here
manic wolf
yes as in i'm on crack or yes as in there is a talent tree rework
Put down the pipe, man
verbal dew
loud herald
verbal dew
there's prob vids that go through it
loud herald
also like
I haven't played too much since late jan, did the shivs catch a nerf
or is my rampage build karked
loud herald
or I meant even before this new update
verbal dew
no
loud herald
ahhh ok 
loud herald
yeah I noticed the exhaustion is gone
lost ravine
I haven't played too much since late jan, did the shivs catch a nerf
shivs catch a cleave nerf but you get perilous toxbustion so realistically nothing changed
loud herald
nice
formal valley
dual stubbers are more accurate
and Scummers are getting three new abilities in total
iirc it was like
melee kills on elites cause them to explode in a 4m radius, applying 2 stacks of chem toxin to 10 enemies
when hit, you stagger/knockback enemies around you and get movespeed, 10-ish second cooldown
and my favorite
every 1% of your current crit chance gives you .5% melee damage
lost ravine
when hit, you stagger/knockback enemies around you and get movespeed, 10-ish sec...
do we know more about how much this staggers
is it dog immunity like i thought
formal valley
do we know more about how much this staggers
I think it's a knockback but I haven't really experimented with it, I might do so on tonight's stream
as in idk what it staggers
being honest, it feels a bit counter-intuitive to Scummers in general who already don't wanna get hit lmao
lost ravine
it does indeed
formal valley
oh also there's one more talent that makes the uhh
toxin on crit talent even stronger
lost ravine
"glass cannon class"
look inside
psyker health that is actually ogryn health
formal valley
when you apply toxin on an enemy, for 5s they take 10% more damage from all sources
lost ravine
big number 
formal valley
also the general layout for the Hive Scum is drastically different
more talents at the start, easier to get keystones overall
and they removed the middle Toughness node in-between the two Stim enhancing stuff in the middle of the tree
formal valley
ye Gang Tough is gone now
lost ravine
now only street tough remains
formal valley
also Nimble has an alternative now
Alley Rat, which gives 50% dodge distance
and is exclusive with Nimble
lost ravine
seems overkill
lost ravine
it could also be funny movetech
formal valley
what other changes were there let me see if I can remember
lost ravine
side dodge for speed
formal valley
honestly I think the biggest thing for us is gonna be the fact that
they finally set up a system that tries to maintain as much of your talent tree as possible
formal valley
I mean that's been a thing since forever, you can just right click the Blitz and select smth else
but I'm more talking like
yeah you'll have to remake some of your builds cus the tree changes are substantial
but you won't have to make them from scratch
lost ravine
I mean that's been a thing since forever, you can just right click the Blitz and...
has it? it was new to me
formal valley
with the scummers iirc
lost ravine
so still relatively new
bronze glade
so still relatively new
yeah you needed a mod before that
river skiff
seems overkill
It's for ranged builds I suppose
But yeah it will be counter productive for melee builds
river skiff
it could also be funny movetech
You are better off dodging backwards than running lol
lavish bronze
i will likely use that on desp build
molten shale
Also good for scenarios where teammates don't push a jumping burster; easier to get out of the blast radius
river skiff
Also good for scenarios where teammates don't push a jumping burster; easier to ...
Too niché tbh
It's not worth picking it for that purpose if it will f.... with your positioning the rest of the match
It's only worth it for ranged builds
near mauve
gun scummuing all over the place
lost ravine
gun scummuing all over the place
how much of that was roket
near mauve
a lot
i dont get how this event works sometimes i get 10 rockets in a row sometimes i get none for like 5 minutes
pulsar aspen
Most likely Ogryn kills have a chance to give you grenades back.
winged bay
Iirc it's 10%
near mauve
unlimited rockets
molten shale
It's not worth picking it for that purpose if it will f.... with your positionin...
Generally I agree; I'm saying I wouldn't immediately write it off for extra burster modifiers with randos
near mauve
Most likely Ogryn kills have a chance to give you grenades back.
ye but i noticed i dont get anything during events
whenever we're doing an objective i actually have to lock in because im not being gifted 10000 rockets xdd
near mauve
also these nades that drop after they die do so much dmg lmao
pulsar aspen
@near mauve Sounds to me like you are relying on them way too much and you need to work on your basics.
pulsar aspen
You'll figure it out
near mauve
its a bomb spam event bro of course im gonna bomb spam
verbal dew
doesn't the bulwark death grenades just throw you around a little
near mauve
when u nuke 10 of them at once u eat shit
lost ravine
as someone who recently leveled something during the event, they singlehandedly nuke your toughness
near mauve
it is better now tho
near mauve
depends on what class you're playing
lost ravine
nah they're not that strong
when leveling they are
lost ravine
(was psyker)
verbal dew
I was fine on psyker
molten shale
It's like ~100 toughness damage per grenade, right?
verbal dew
I've had more fun with shredder vet or rending trauma psyker personally
near mauve
i played half of it using a meme gun build, rockets for armor and everything else gets wrecked with daps
lost ravine
i've had most fun with melee psyker
verbal dew
melee psyker also not bad, but preferred trauma
near mauve
i tried to play a melee build and it was boring cause krak/rocket/ogryn boom ect were just being spammed 24/7
lost ravine
trauma kinda eepy
lost ravine
i tried to play a melee build and it was boring cause krak/rocket/ogryn boom ect...
i like to just leave in such a case
it is good fun in absence of these things
near mauve
nah the event is just made for those
near mauve
u give people trillion bombas they'll abuse the bombas
lost ravine
i think handing out this many bombas was a mistake
verbal dew
I've especially enjoyed trauma blasting conga lines of bursters from afar
pulsar aspen
Nah, its fun. Fun when people just mindlessly spam them and suddenly find themselves out of it and die because they are wasteful.
near mauve
just lock in
pulsar aspen
Many don't.
lost ravine
skull issue
verbal dew
psyker is always locked in
pulsar aspen
If they wouldn't have their overpowered gimmicks, they wouldn't last
clear isle
bros, adrenaline or chem dependency (for crits)?
using shivs
verbal dew
chem
lost ravine
chemdep verygood
verbal dew
both work tho
clear isle
fair enough
loud herald
chemdep is the right capstone that gives CDR for spamming stim right
clear isle
I avoided chem dependency bcz Im not using the cooldown reduction part of it, but then I saw the only crit talent was on it
verbal dew
yes
verbal dew
I just like chem dep overall
works with anything really
nice crit chance and TDR
like CDR doesn't do much on crate unless you're running the tox splode
but still good
lost ravine
chemdep good for melee, good for ranged
more crit more hypercrit
plus cdr which gives more uptime on murdermode of your choice
clear isle
wouldn't you want vulture's mark for ranged? it gives crits too
verbal dew
I wonder how insane the crit -> melee dmg will turn out when you're stimmed out and dodging up to 100% crit chance
50% dmg sounds like a lot
clear isle
they're both 15% (provided u dont take the 4 stack node of chem dependency, in which case that one is 20%)
verbal dew
depends if your range hits weakspots or not
lost ravine
wouldn't you want vulture's mark for ranged? it gives crits too
chemdep higher uptime methinks
aka 100% if you do not forget to take your meds
verbal dew
yes easily
clear isle
depends if your range hits weakspots or not
most ppl are using wp ranged weapons though
clear isle
chemdep higher uptime methinks
fair point yeah, 12s stack vs 90/60s stack
I dont think I ever saw a ganger running db, ever
lost ravine
i have
lost ravine
well no not really, it's not dbarrel
it's tbarrel now
verbal dew
lost ravine
bang bang bang reload
clear isle
Ive seen IAGs, both dual pistols, tons of needlers
lost ravine
fine red mist factory
verbal dew
I mean there's levels to it all ofc
clear isle
but rarely a shotty, and even rarer a db
lost ravine
my favorite is definitely stub pistols
verbal dew
im gonna miss my crate stub pistol build
clear isle
why're you gonna miss it?
verbal dew
have to actually pickpocket for ammo
clear isle
oh yeah they changed it to melee kill
clear isle
minor inconvenience for me tbh, I love melee way more than ranged
verbal dew
it was fine on non-broken weapons, but it was the change I figured would happen
is that britney spears
clear isle
ye, removal of gang tough confused me though
warm axle
yes
lavish bronze
just do that
become hot milf with 2 kitchen knives?
lost ravine
become hot milf with 2 kitchen knives?
and shank
clear isle
lads, what do you normally slap on ur stimms for crates?
lavish bronze
lads, what do you normally slap on ur stimms for crates?
bypass the crate and inject straight into my veins
clear isle
do u go the full measure on the strength tree too?
clear isle
argh 75s stimm gah damn
clear isle
might be the first time Ive ever done above 60s on a stimm
clear isle
sample collector
oh shit u right
Ive only used crate with no stimm and just yoinking the ones I find along the way
verbal dew
I've never done that
astral canyon
I wonder how insane the crit -> melee dmg will turn out when you're stimmed out ...
caps at 15% damage
clear isle
I've never done that
it's mostly to just hoard med stimms and heal a buncha people at once
verbal dew
cool in theory
clear isle
mildly goofy yes
lost ravine
medicae station (sometimes)
clear isle
exactly
clear isle
I usually play support characters and a lot of games dont have a healing character so this is the closest it gets
verbal dew
corruption immunity is still p support tho
clear isle
meh I havent had that much corruption outside of pox gas or havoc tbh (and in those cases Im either not playing this goofy ass build or not playing hive ganger)
clear isle
ok lads, rate this suspicious build and lemme know what I should fix
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a14ee34a-ee6b-431e-977b-f85f085ec281/dubious-choices
thanks
cooking or cooked
verbal dew
I wouldn't bother with flesh tearer, bleed doesn't do much on scum
clear isle
uncanny strike then?
verbal dew
yeah
river skiff
ok lads, rate this suspicious build and lemme know what I should fix
https://dar...
Cooked
verbal dew
I'd do float like a butterfly
skip ammo jack and go hypercrit
60s chem dep is not my jam, but some like it
if you do, you need a smaller stim tree
river skiff
ok lads, rate this suspicious build and lemme know what I should fix
https://dar...
No point to boost "ranged DMG" when your ranged doesn't have it but DOT and fleshtearer instead of additional crit chance is truly dubious
river skiff
No point to boost "ranged DMG" when your ranged doesn't have it but DOT and fles...
I could probably go on but don't wanna
river skiff
I could probably go on but don't wanna
Pick some other build
river skiff
it's close ranged
Doesn't matter DOT doesn't count as ranged that's why perks that boost dmg don't work for it
clear isle
damn, well thanks
river skiff
Yeah
verbal dew
close ranged is just within 12.5m or so
has nothing to do with ranged
melee works in close range too
river skiff
Wait what?
river skiff
close ranged is just within 12.5m or so
Why did they add "ranged" there
river skiff
I thought that was for despe builds lmao
verbal dew
anyway here's minimal changes if you wanted some @clear isle
clear isle
ok rq then, riposte, uncanny, and precog, does it matter out of these which I take?
for shivs
clear isle
anyway here's minimal changes if you wanted some <@428108996570906625>
thanks!
verbal dew
I still prefer tertium welcome over quick and deadly so
river skiff
ok rq then, riposte, uncanny, and precog, does it matter out of these which I ta...
I did some math precog / riposte is best for it
clear isle
common thing here is riposte, ima get that
clear isle
I still prefer tertium welcome over quick and deadly so
since it's needler I think Ill drop pickpocket and take both, I use melee way more anyways
verbal dew
yeah also works
loud herald
speaking of talent builds, does anyone have a neat one for rampage and chemdep 
river skiff
I'd do uncanny riposte
This is more consistent but does less DPS overall - probably okay for ranged builds
verbal dew
ye I mostly shiv on ranged builds
clear isle
what do u use on melee builds then? tac axe? knife?
verbal dew
speaking of talent builds, does anyone have a neat one for rampage and chemdep <...
that
river skiff
what do u use on melee builds then? tac axe? knife?
Shivs my beloved 
clear isle
O ma gah devil claw
river skiff
They are so good ngl
clear isle
they are, but I like variety, otherwise ill be running shivs on all my builds
verbal dew
@mighty belfry is the author, they'd know best
river skiff
Shivs my beloved <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Some people like combat axe more tho
clear isle
dclaw lowkey terrifying to use
verbal dew
ik they've done more combat blade stuff recently, idk about shivs
river skiff
dclaw lowkey terrifying to use
Wdym
verbal dew
let me show some vids in action, it goes crazy
clear isle
Wdym
its the weapon I choose when I feel like exploding myself like psyker, I aint never got it to work for me
loud herald
are those vids combat blade
river skiff
its the weapon I choose when I feel like exploding myself like psyker, I aint ne...
Wdym just keep tapping parry? If it's too hard bind it to your side mouse it's stupidly easy to parry in this game
clear isle
are those vids combat blade
nah its not, u can see the icon in the bottom right
clear isle
Wdym just keep tapping parry? If it's too hard bind it to your side mouse it's s...
last time I tried it I turned into a blended paste lol
verbal dew
yeah I've never really used it on other classes
river skiff
are those vids combat blade
Dclaw
loud herald
ta
silver mural
I don't even care that the crowbar is barely getting buffed either, I love melee...
Killing a plague ogryn with crowbar is its own reward
loud herald
do I have to use mk 6 or is mk 1 okay ish to use til I can swap the mark
silver mural
You have to use only the marks i use or ill find you
vapid jungle
7 is the best dclaw mark
verbal dew
I think they meant 7 ye
verbal dew
but idk, I didn't try 1
clear isle
what was the dump stat for dclaw? mobility or cleave targets?
verbal dew
cleave
river skiff
last time I tried it I turned into a blended paste lol
Isolate enemies if you are too scared to get hit by them and if they are just trash get in their face and let it rip
verbal dew
you get so much cleave with scum anyway
pale trench
Killing a plague ogryn with crowbar is its own reward
It's so fun to solo it while everyone else is dealing with shit and then they run to help and I'm just like "I beat a Plogryn to death with a metal stick"
All covered in goo and smiling too wide
verbal dew
you get so much cleave with scum anyway
this
it barely makes a difference
between 60 and 80
vapid jungle
Lots of weapons aren't dumping mobility these days. It seems like weve collectively sorted out tbe bad stats like collateral.
verbal dew
and mobility is king on scum
silver mural
Tbf you could swap the word cleave with mobility and make the same argument
verbal dew
like you dump damage on needler as well
not mob
because it only affects the first hit, not the dot
clear isle
A weapon that isnt mobility? Are you sure
there's a bunch that dont dump mobility, esp ranged weapons that have collateral or dot weapons like flamer
vapid jungle
And like he said the difference isnt noticeable in most cases. I cant think of a weapon that gains a dodge 60-80mob. Dueling sword 5 maybe?
pale trench
Honestly all I want for the crowbar is better crit access, damage itself is fine. Especially with how fast you can get that thing swinging
clear isle
for melee any time they have defences is another, I think the only time u dont dump defences is oggy shield
river skiff
It's so fun to solo it while everyone else is dealing with shit and then they ru...
Reminds me of today 😭 soloed one in the basement while the rest of the team was fighting for their dear life outside was so funny being at full hp while they had like half all 🤣
pale trench
And maybe slightly higher crit multiplyer
verbal dew
they're making the alt crowbar less sticky I believe
low harbor
Lots of weapons aren't dumping mobility these days. It seems like weve collecti...
It depends
Most weapons still do
river skiff
Reminds me of today 😭 soloed one in the basement while the rest of the team was...
They should give him more moves or smt he's so easy
verbal dew
you don't lose that much with dumping mobility across the board
vapid jungle
Most weapons still do
The proportion feels more skewed than ever.
clear isle
they're making the alt crowbar less sticky I believe
ye, less stam loss on dodge out, and it swaps modes faster too
verbal dew
but you can always go for more optimized stuff
pale trench
Reminds me of today 😭 soloed one in the basement while the rest of the team was...
Yeah they're all down and trying to pick each other up and just dealing with wave after wave of BS and I'm just dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge, and crowbar-ing the plogryn to death
low harbor
The proportion feels more skewed than ever.
Does it?
clear isle
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a11fe48b-dc4b-4c3c-94fa-07dcf94bc769/de...
question, why no shred on the dclaw?
vapid jungle
Does it?
Yar back in the pre locked and loaded days it felt like it wasn't even a thought.
pale trench
Lots of weapons aren't dumping mobility these days. It seems like weve collecti...
I'm still dumping it on every weapon and having great success, what changes were made?
woeful hill
Mobility is just a safe dump when someone is unsure
silver mural
there's a bunch that dont dump mobility, esp ranged weapons that have collateral...
Sure for some options, but mobility feels like it does nothing all the time. I think some weapons just have 2 dump stats
woeful hill
What the best min maxed stat is
verbal dew
I never remember when collateral matters on a gun
pale trench
I would only consider more than 60 mobility if it means my dodges go from 3 to 4 but most weapons give 4 at 60
verbal dew
I mean it's not only dodges
pale trench
It's the main benefit. +1 dodges is talent-level benefit
verbal dew
dodge distance, dodge speed, sprint speed
low harbor
I never remember when collateral matters on a gun
(Never)
river skiff
I never remember when collateral matters on a gun
If it shoots pebbles you can dump it if it hits like a truck think about it a lil more lmao
low harbor
I would only consider more than 60 mobility if it means my dodges go from 3 to 4...
Mobility is mainly for sprint bonus
pale trench
Mobility is mainly for sprint bonus
For me personally: Eh. As long as I have 4 dodges at 60, I don't see the point. The rest of the benefits are negligible, to me. But I can see reasons to go higher on certain weapons regardless of the dodge count change
low harbor
Some stats affect the weapon even less
So mobility happens to be better in those cases
It’s rly case by case
mighty belfry
does it work for shivs too
it works on shivs
flat mist
I would only consider more than 60 mobility if it means my dodges go from 3 to 4...
Going from 60 to 80 mobility doesn't give an extra dodge on any weapon
pale trench
Going from 60 to 80 mobility doesn't give an extra dodge on any weapon
Exactly. ATM, that isn't true for any weapon.
silver mural
For sawblade blessings is the cleave on hit considered better then the minus enemy mass on kill?
loud herald
it works on shivs
ty
clear isle
dodge distance, dodge speed, sprint speed
just tried out ur melee build on damnation, its good stuff
I will be stealing it
silver mural
Gabagool
silver mural
just tried out ur melee build on damnation, its good stuff
You stole my name smh
clear isle
wait whats the name of ur hive ganger?
silver mural
Carrion, but my name is Dallas
clear isle
ohh I thought u meant ingame name
silver mural
Name stealer, its mine and my mommy gave it to me
clear isle
dallas from payday 2
mighty belfry
just tried out ur melee build on damnation, its good stuff
i am a generous god
uwu
silver mural
Some gods dont deserve worship, and its the ones that go uwu
clear isle
i am a generous god
thank you, but actually since ur here I have a question on the build
why 3x health curio?
mighty belfry
why 3x health curio?
because it's funny
okay the actual reason is because that build is meant for high havoc
and a lot of what threatens scum in high havoc doesn't really care about ur toughness
clear isle
fair enough lol, cuz I saw swift endurance on it so I was wondering why not use 1x stam 2x health curio
mighty belfry
so, naturally, i thought to give scum a lot of health instead
silver mural
Honestly i get that, i never feel like its my toughness getting me killed
mighty belfry
fair enough lol, cuz I saw swift endurance on it so I was wondering why not use ...
because dclaw has enough base stamina that you really don't need a stamina curio
verbal dew
do you straight up eat overheads on non-havoc with that much health btw
clear isle
and a lot of what threatens scum in high havoc doesn't really care about ur toug...
the 1 pox burster vs base health scum
verbal dew
I never tried
mighty belfry
hell honestly you don't need a stam curio for even stuff like shivs or combat knife which have low base stam
mighty belfry
do you straight up eat overheads on non-havoc with that much health btw
ya
verbal dew
sweet
mighty belfry
with a decent chunk of health too
silver mural
Especially with the new talent for generating toughness from chems i might swap my 2 tough curios for health
verbal dew
idt I can do that build on non-havoc anymore tho
silver mural
On top of gromnil armour making us alot less needy for toughness in melee if it works how i think it does
verbal dew
the hordes are too small
clear isle
ofc the one class I finally get a 17% tough curio on makes better use of health 😭
mighty belfry
i wouldn't say better
clear isle
FS trolling me fr fr
mighty belfry
but i also do value having more health on this class for particular reasons
silver mural
Toughness is still good i think, we dont scale hp that well. Its just we have alot of safety nets for toughness that i get the reason someone might want hp
verbal dew
if you scroll back up to that first vid I posted
I eat a sniper shot while in pox gas
clear isle
welp either way its back to the darius melk foundation for me to make more donations
mighty belfry
Toughness is still good i think, we dont scale hp that well. Its just we have al...
actually, it's toughness that doesn't really scale well, at least where in h40 where i usually use it
verbal dew
you can see how comparably little it does
low harbor
and a lot of what threatens scum in high havoc doesn't really care about ur toug...
I think toughness/health/health split is safer overall
mighty belfry
I think toughness/health/health split is safer overall
i'm crazy so
also i can admit
low harbor
It helps with some wack instant 100-0 toughness scenarios
Like shotgunner or plasma gunner
mighty belfry
at least currently
i can see why someone would want more toughness
when the servers are as ass as they have been recently
verbal dew
the boost with one toughness curios isn't much in h40 tbf
low harbor
I run +27% toughness atm, it’s generally enough
manic wolf
As they've always been is probably more accurate
low harbor
U get >100 toughness
mighty belfry
the boost with one toughness curios isn't much in h40 tbf
they're talking with 5%+ perks too
verbal dew
ye ik
silver mural
actually, it's toughness that doesn't really scale well, at least where in h40 w...
We dont scale health well either, the only way for curios to scale rhe health is by having more base so technically other classes like arbites scale health better. But im saying i agree with you but its because out toughness talents are the way they are and what kill you doesnt care about tough they shouldnt feel bad for having a 17 percent tough curio
low harbor
when the servers are as ass as they have been recently
Might be placebo but it got better on Linux
mighty belfry
We dont scale health well either, the only way for curios to scale rhe health is...
health scales better in havoc purely from a numerical standpoint
low harbor
Idk what’s going on
mighty belfry
because of how havoc debuffs work
livid raven
Squid games
silver mural
health scales better in havoc purely from a numerical standpoint
Sure, but that isnt class specific, i dont understand where we are missing each other
low harbor
I switched back to Linux because microslop’s update borked windows for me once more and I’m just done with it
I run win11 on Linux VM now
Only use it for PowerPoint for guide anyway
mighty belfry
Sure, but that isnt class specific, i dont understand where we are missing each ...
oh we're not missing each other at all
but i'm more saying there's a reason health scales particularly better than toughness for havoc
with curios
mighty belfry
considering for some reason, they decided to make the debuff for health percentage based
silver mural
Sorry i needed to get that off my chest
mighty belfry
but the toughness debuff a flat value
silver mural
Yeeee i get you
mighty belfry
i will never understand the reasoning as to why they did it that way but here we are
low harbor
I like my wacky curio set up rn honestly
silver mural
I only have perfect curios on arbites atm, but thats because i havent had the chance to get as many scum games on since its newer
mighty belfry
tbh i might be one of the highest level scum in the game rn lmao
silver mural
All my resources go into the scum i just need some good rolls lol
mighty belfry
i don't see many of them breaking 200
silver mural
But melk and brunt are too mean to me
verbal dew
I've seen one 250
mighty belfry
cuz i really enjoy this class
verbal dew
in havoc
silver mural
Well brunts servitor
verbal dew
I might've seen a 400 even, idr exactly
mighty belfry
i've seen one that was legit over a 1000
silver mural
Do you mean 200 by like level in that mod people use to calculate true level
mighty belfry
but i know that simply cannot be legitimately attained
verbal dew
true level mod ye
silver mural
I don't have the mod so im 30 lmao
verbal dew
my male scum is 110
mighty belfry
i cannot really believe this class has been out long enough for someone to pull that off
verbal dew
female 70?
clear isle
you could check the penance if you want to know the number of games played
mighty belfry
it's really good on scum