hivescum-class

[manic wolf]

Nuncio Aquilla > Chorus

Why you might ask?

[main trellis]

Go back to warframe

[astral canyon]

Im not saying chorus does nothing

[manic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1EsTJI68s

This is why

[limber cradle]

Or yk, kill something.

[astral canyon]

Im saying that when chorus is up im not really engaging with the combat mechanics that make me enjoy playing the game

[main trellis]

I know what you mean
hurr durr me no attack me bad me no gene… gienie… do dmg type shit

[manic wolf]

Isnt Warframe just a game stapled to an egg timer?

[limber cradle]

It's alright

[astral canyon]

Can you fucking chill for a second man

[floral galleon]

With no plat yeah kekw

[limber cradle]

I stopped playing it years ago tho so I can't speak for the current state of it.

[main trellis]

There is a reason i have 6k+ hours in it
Also Voruna

[manic wolf]

Never played it, never will, F2P junk

[floral galleon]

None of that has stopped me

[astral canyon]

Im just saying why i dont find using chorus to be fun

[limber cradle]

It's good for a f2p tbh

Decent monetization

[main trellis]

I’m hot; can’t chill - i’m a fire elemental

[main trellis]

One of the best

[floral galleon]

And now I completely understand this is an opinion base, and I'm not here to dissuade you or somehow convince you to start using chorus I mainly fight misinformation

[limber cradle]

Better than war thunder anyway

[main trellis]

Not oppressive too; its simply an option

[limber cradle]

Hypothetically you can just trade for premium currency iirc

[floral galleon]

Cause some here with their 300 hours of auric gaming are convinced inferior tools are somehow better in every situation

[main trellis]

And i love it

[floral galleon]

And I'm saying no names, but they know who they are

[main trellis]

Entire market

[manic wolf]

No balls

[floral galleon]

I know you were messing with us kekw

[floral galleon]

Also warframe has infinitely better monetization and still has better revenue than, certain games we all here know

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

[limber cradle]

I don't think DT monetization is that awful I'm ngl

[floral galleon]

You can sell a kidney for that prime access full pack, or farm the items and buy the cheaper cosmetic pack if you really want to

Whereas here, what 15-20€ for a cosmetic set for a single class

Of 6 soon 7

[manic wolf]

It is.

Why hasnt Scum gotten any new drip yet?

[astral canyon]

Games workshop

[limber cradle]

I assume GW internal politics tbh

[floral galleon]

Also scum / arbi still don't have the black havoc armor set

[limber cradle]

Optimal cosmetics you don't need at all?

[manic wolf]

Trueee

[floral galleon]

But it's free and gameplay earned so of course they do it through gritted teeth

[pulsar aspen]

@wooden hawk Which does make sense, since both of them can't really be part of a regular Regiment, but at the same time..

[floral galleon]

We have ogryns with shiny leopard pattern pants, veterans that almost look like zealots and vise versa-

[astral canyon]

The biggest problem with dt monetization is the store cycling stock to induce fomo

[floral galleon]

Exactly

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be honest I think like 95 percent of paid cosmetics look bad

[floral galleon]

Yeah some of them just don't fit the class at all

[manic wolf]

True, this is the real Ogryn drip we need..

[floral galleon]

Not to mention the weapon trinkets of suspect appearance

[limber cradle]

I hate weapon trinkets ngl

I would pay to remove the stupid attachment points off weapons

[astral canyon]

I like them but a lot of weapons have them somewhere you cant even see

Or sometimes they even end up clipping into the weapon

[clever wren]

On the one hand the shop is so obnoxious
On the other hand, it's purely cosmetics and it means people with no spending discipline ||I would never haha|| are subsidizing my video games

[floral galleon]

Or maybe it's the prediction of the collapsing player numbers so better milk those who insist staying

The grandad of this game style l4d2 still has ~20k average players daily

[limber cradle]

Play l4d then idk

I like DT, I give FS money exactly when I want to

[floral galleon]

I play on the regular too, doesn't mean I can't criticize its monetization and decisions that have led to player exodus

Just my two cents and an euro

[manic wolf]

Not sure its been the monetization

But yes a lot of design decisions have pushed people away

I rarely play all that much nowdays myself because FS are terrified of actually balancing the game

[clever wren]

Remember what happened when Arrowhead tried

[manic wolf]

HD2 players overlapping with DT players are probably a large contributing factor. Particularly given that community is notorious for the "why nerf its PvE" mindset, not to mention childishly review bombing if they dont get their way

[limber cradle]

The only reason I'd quit DT atp is cause the engine is so metrically fucked and FS keeps pissing on it with Havoc modifiers

[floral galleon]

Oh not just monetization but so many poor decisions on the devs part not to mention the worst netcode I've seen in a videogame in my life

[manic wolf]

For sure, yeah. There have been many questionable decisions over time. Unfortunately. But the voices of the many outweigh the voices of the few, even if said voices come from idiots

[floral galleon]

If the whole lobby crashes and you're not rank 40? Enjoy losing a deployment

[manic wolf]

Worst netcode i've ever seen is Fromsoft's not gonna lie

At least Fatshark managed the bare minimum of region locks

[floral galleon]

I mean fromsoft's netcode may be high end slop but atleast it doesn't give up over a single lost packet and just disconnect you

Of course after letting you lag and take damage

[limber cradle]

Dark souls 2 lol

[manic wolf]

No, instead you have to endure the entire invasion being misery because the only hits you and your opponent can get are trades

[floral galleon]

Ds3 and its sliding players too oof

[manic wolf]

They're all the same in that respect tbh

[floral galleon]

Ds1 backstabs were a thing of beauty

[manic wolf]

Elden Ring is terrible, the Dark Souls trilogy was terrible and AC is terrible

Good games, appauling netcode

[floral galleon]

You can only exclude japan from matchmaking, looks like someone there can't read a map cause other countries far away exist too

Japan and, a few countries nearby iirc but the rest? Even AUS? Yeah

[limber cradle]

DT has the most issues of any FS game I've personally played tbh

Especially in regards to connectivity

[lavish bronze]

Idk take full maintenance update with no content but fuck ton of fixes

[limber cradle]

I would too but everytime I see an Op Health the game somehow gets fucked up more

[manic wolf]

No, actually you can't, they can block everyone else from matchmaking, but it doesnt work outside that region

Japan-only feature

[floral galleon]

Yeah it's horrid

[manic wolf]

Console actually has different versions apparently so there is a measure of region locks involved there, but PC? Nope. You've got the Japanese version an then one for everyone else

Very poorly thought out

Duskbloods is gonna bomb as hard as Concord despite it being a Fromsoft title because good luck playing from unstable work or public transport wifi with netcode like that

[limber cradle]

I'm not buying a switch for it tbh

[manic wolf]

Absolutely not, yeah

[limber cradle]

Maybe in like 7 years when they're $75

[manic wolf]

Even then, I would still buy a Steam Deck

[limber cradle]

I thought it was only on switch?

[manic wolf]

Remains to be seen if its gonna be a timed exclusive or not

I would bet probably it will be

[limber cradle]

I expect Bloodborne 2 in every way ngl

[manic wolf]

They'd be cutting so much of the potential market for it leaving it on that platform and given Fromsoft is now a common household name what with Elden Ring's success, it would be very short sighted

[limber cradle]

It is Nintendo tho

[manic wolf]

Thats true

Still, a fully focused PvP soulslike done by From is something much of the community has wanted for a long time, would be a massive fuck you to have to play it on a fuckin Nintendo device

[limber cradle]

Again tho people have demanded BB for how long?

It wouldn't be the first time

[vapid jungle]

Fromsoft turned down the BB pc remaster

And Sony closed their studio that did those ports

So were SOL

[compact oyster]

Fromsoft probs saw the demon souls remake and went no

[silver mural]

For sure weapons are the main factor. Our slowest weapon would be the rifles maybe? Maybe one of the chain weapons?

Wait do we have heavy sword

Lowkey only use combat blade and sometimes the saw lol

[torpid cloud]

did deperado scum change in any way these last two months

[lavish bronze]

No

It didnt

[torpid cloud]

good

means i still know how to play

[bronze glade]

unfortunately, knowing how to play desp scum doesn't really say anything about knowing how to play the game

[pulsar aspen]

Quite a lot of those Desperado Hive Scums run off into the distance and die alone

[clever wren]

No you don't understand I NEED to shoot more highlighted enemies and I need to get close for them to get highlighted

[torpid cloud]

im still a ogryn main dw

[silver mural]

What can i say? Im a giver and there are takers over there

[north saddle]

Any of you well versed in code/lag causes, etc. I have a personal theory. Every time i have severe rubberbanding, i also have an incomming Windows Update. Is this merely correlation or also causation?

Or has it to do with playing with people from another region because of low playercount?

[fast surge]

DT is not peer to peer so other players should not really impact your performance, besides the occasional spike when someone joins/DC mid mission

[unreal stirrup]

meanwhile vt2 is p2p and perfectly playable even at 150 ping

80 ping is enough to fuck you up in dt

[bronze glade]

Man I hated the p2p in VT

But they managed to make this even worse

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-clap-gif-8766590078260538864

[zenith fern]

Maybe your copies of DT are just silly

[unreal stirrup]

yeah you should buy gtfo now and play with me

[bronze glade]

Too busy with slay the spire now

https://tenor.com/view/donu-slay-the-spire-gif-27118660

[main trellis]

I wish that game waa no such heavily reliant on RNG when you play the ascended mode - it feels unplayable soo many times…

I hope in STS 2 they fix it

[muted pivot]

really, really good players can get surprisingly consistent

sts2 is currently a bit easier than sts1 imo

both are absolutely excellent games imo

[mighty belfry]

I'm on a hiatus after yesterday cuz the connectivity has outright become unplayable for me

Idk what they did to this game but something is really wrong

I got pounced by a dog from several feet away and got hit in my dodges several times

[bronze glade]

Yeah though there’s a lot of ways to mitigate bad luck

With deck control

I’m not exactly great at STS either

But the games RNG is actually pretty controllable

[main trellis]

Of all things; Darkest Dungeon makes me more chill than STS

[bronze glade]

lol I couldn’t stand the first one and the second didn’t really draw me in

[fast surge]

Do you also think balatro is heavily reliant on RNG? Because neither are

[main trellis]

Never played it

Not much into poker + i already have enough games to fill that gap

[main trellis]

Well if you build a nice deck & you don’t get to draw what you need it is RNG - go play ascended 20

Also you need to get lucky to get these cards in your deck to begin with; thats RNG no?

[main trellis]

1st one is peak; kino
2nd… well… its alright but… short-lived tbh; there is a reason i stuck again with 1st over 2nd

[fast surge]

Every run is winnable, I just used balatro as an example because Ive played it a lot more than sts. I don't know what the longest win streak in sts A20 is, but if it's like more than like 20 then not winning is a skill issue

[main trellis]

If only you could saw what i saw in many A20s then; ain’t no way you chain streak A20s; you baiting hard bruv

[fast surge]

Like balatroU won around 70 gold stake runs in a row, I think it's safe to say the game is not reliant on RNG to win

[main trellis]

Ye but i never talked about balatro cause i never played it - it has RNG elements and thats it cause duh

[fast surge]

I think the best win streak for a20s is like 25, cycling through all characters. Idk just trying to give some perspective that maybe it's a knowledge gap and not the games fault

[main trellis]

Oh believe me i know whats good in sts - its definitelly more reliant on RNG than Darkest Dungeon and no mistake

For example ofc

[mighty belfry]

L8 but

Better mobility on mk3 knife and the single target dps on punch stab combo combined with hyperviolence ramps up really fast

[muted pivot]

Is that special light combo? That's wild, never heard of that combo

I just used heavies with it on my Zealot lol

And light spam on the trash

Well, Flamer more but yeah

[mighty belfry]

Special light is lowkey really high single target dps

It's just more inflated by this classes high finesse output on top of hyperviolence making it really easy to transfer overkill to the next target

It's also really good boss dps.

Thing is

It simply just isn't good at dense horde clear

That's why I run pocket Chem nades with it

[unreal stirrup]

mk6 tbh

h1-h2 bc for horde pa spam for single target

it is less safe than mk1 shiv st since you have to spend stamina

my ass can't be bothered to check if mk6 h1 and h2 cleave and compare it to mk3 shiv

someone else do it

[upbeat gyro]

Anyone got gameslantern build for Bistol? This is the right dump i guess

This event would be fun time to try it as increases AOE also

Or is it mobi?

[vapid jungle]

Collateral is the dump i believe.

Puncture/execution lethal prox flakiac

[verbal dew]

I run the explody mark with lethal and execution

[upbeat gyro]

Which MK for desperado?

[unreal stirrup]

mk6 ig

[vapid jungle]

Both work. I like puncture if you are running blackouts.

[unreal stirrup]

puncture only work on direct hit

[vapid jungle]

Word?

[verbal dew]

I run it with that stagger talent they recently buffed as well

[vapid jungle]

Kuli don't mention that learned something today ty!

[verbal dew]

you're not usually getting that great of an uptime with bistol in my experience

[manic wolf]

If only BPistol got speedload blessing :/

[unreal stirrup]

if only bistol can hit meaningful breakpoint

[vapid jungle]

Would be nice.

[upbeat gyro]

Wasnt too impressed on Arbi trying it out for couple missions, maybe more fun on despy

[unreal stirrup]

boltgun is just better 90% of the time

[vapid jungle]

Its just not especially flashy. Most classes its just a stat stick.

[upbeat gyro]

Anything to change in talents compared to Vraks Iag desp?

[verbal dew]

the stagger talent in bottom middle

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah was gonna ask about Cheap Shots

Gotta make room for it somehow

[mighty belfry]

Single target being pa spam is kinda why I don't like it particularly on this class

You want your stamina to be as topped up as possible cuz of HCB

[unreal stirrup]

stamina stim frfr

but yeah if you block like a single attack while pa spam you're dead because no stamina

[mighty belfry]

You also lose damage resistance

And with enough spam, also attack speed

[upbeat gyro]

Well, it was a failure, i got bugged in corner i couldnt move out from anymore

Revived team at boss and they dropped down in like 10s over again

[low harbor]

It’s not rly worth it

[upbeat gyro]

I switched Sweet Spot for it. 25% weakspot dmg vs 10%-15% dmg on staggered

3rd event game finally win, had to clutch like it was something way harder

Took me half a match to realise aiming down sights increases RoF

[upbeat gyro]

https://youtu.be/tZuR3ldIow4

Probably looks like pretty bad gameplay to more experienced, but felt good to survive all that either way

[gilded torrent]

i wish the cosmetics were more unique to their respective gangs

aside from paint, i wish they all had some sort of gang respective little trinkets or different rigs

iron riders would probably be more heavily armored, the show armors would have little chemical stims or ordo docket necklasses hanging off them, the tread lightlies would probably have a bunch of mechanical tools and bandit belts strapped to them

that would be pretty cool

[bronze glade]

Yeah I agree

But that takes work

[near mauve]

its ok u will get those in the slop shop a year from now

[mighty belfry]

It's legit only worth it for crowbar tbh

Or maybe pocket toxin blackouts but

Really, really niche

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah its too conditional and small bonus on a class that doesnt meet the condition often

[mighty belfry]

Oh I guess hammerblow Dclaw also works but

Same issue really

[loud herald]

was rampage having its downside removed as OP as I thought it would be

I haven't played since late jan

or, well, maybe not OP but just more like "this ability is even crazier now"

[lost ravine]

it good, dwarf dk

[low harbor]

it's just rly good now

better than zealot in almost all things except boss skip

[loud herald]

yeah that's kinda what I thought

[maiden pine]

what’s the deal with chain axe on scum in regards to this event

does it shred through crushers

[lavish bronze]

Yes

[fathom raptor]

Shivs shred harder...

If you can headshot...

Rocket + Rampage =)

[mighty belfry]

honestly shivs are just stupid

[fathom raptor]

I just started using both Hyper talents...1-shotting crushers is fun. =)

It's a special build for the event though, with the coherency radius talent for blitz regen.

[silver mural]

Do any classes regen allies grenades

[fathom raptor]

No, veteran used to before the talent tree...

[silver mural]

Is there a bug or mechanic that brings back boombringer charges

[fathom raptor]

The current event gives everyone grenades when certain conditions are met...

[silver mural]

Oh i see

Thats what happened then

[fathom raptor]

IDK what those are exactly...but kill a lot of ogryns or elites =)

[silver mural]

I was totally confused why i kept getting boombringer charges back

[fathom raptor]

Makes Boom Bringer so much fun...

as long as you aren't taking away from other peoples fun =)

[silver mural]

That explains it, every ogryn patrol was prolly granting me grenades

[lethal kraken]

So I'm playing HS for the first time, and getting close to leveling to 30. I main Ogryn, so I like the crowbar more than the shivs, and I only use ranged for utility killing specialists. It's unclear to me of how much I should try to synergize my build around toxins and crits since the Adrenaline Frenzy and Rampage don't really play synergize with it very much.
Is there a meta crowbar build out there? Gameslantern didn't turn up results I like much.

[fathom raptor]

Mind the poxbursters

[silver mural]

I feel the crowbar will prolly be better served with other crit bases talents then building to stack toxin with it even if its an east 2 talent add for most build

But idk im incompetent

[fathom raptor]

Crowbar likes Adrenaline IMHO =)

Atk speed + more Dmg

and +5% toughness per second

with 20 second adrenaline talent

[silver mural]

Yeah that makes sense, especially when all it takes is like killing 4 or 5 enemies if you take that talent

Procs basically instantly lol

[fathom raptor]

I liked crowbar when I used it...so much control. But shivs just plain kill instead. =)

Gotta be good at dodging/blocking with shivs tho.

Crowbar does good CC.

[silver mural]

Yeah im a sucker for special snowflake weapons and so i mostly use the saw

Tho i also like being fast so i like combat blade alot

[fathom raptor]

Saw feels like a trap...but i guess it does have a certain skill floor. =D

It needs a buff imho

[lethal kraken]

If bone saw had better move set I'd jump at it

[silver mural]

I play a toxin build, it does not need a buff

[fathom raptor]

But I disagree?

[silver mural]

It can reach 100 percent crit rate and then every hit procs 3 stacks of toxin with the right talents, then it becomes anti everything

[lavish bronze]

Thats your right

You can disagree

[lethal kraken]

Oh yeah, bone saw just needs more sweeping attacks for me. It's very good, better than the crowbar

[lavish bronze]

Just dont become hostile

[fathom raptor]

But if I just kill everything first with my Shivs?

[lavish bronze]

Eh alot of weapons in this game need a buff and even more a nerf

[fathom raptor]

Mind you I'm not talking about Havoc 40. =P

[silver mural]

Shivs are very very good, possibly our best weapon ever, Saw is just also very good

But its awkward to use so i understand

[lavish bronze]

Like

[fathom raptor]

I think I'm just in love with Rampage Adrenaline Rocket Shivs with the current event...

[silver mural]

Its moveset is smth you have to get used too and its cleave is very bad and the rip animation can throw people off

[fathom raptor]

Such carry potential...

I wish we could do Events in Maelstrom... =(

[silver mural]

Yeah shivs are definitely S tier i totally understand why you love them

[fathom raptor]

Give me 20 poxburster trains!

BTW you can knockback poxbursters with AoE bolt pistol.

[lavish bronze]

Like blessings need a unification across all weapons

Imo

[fathom raptor]

Maybe a balance pass

But lethal proximity on a machine gun?

[livid raven]

Every weapon should have every blessing actually

[verbal dew]

don't get in to the habit of shooting bursters

[lavish bronze]

You miss understood me pall

[verbal dew]

just because they can be staggered

[lavish bronze]

Like surgical should be the same across all weapons that have it

[fathom raptor]

I disagree...some would be really OP with certain blessings, like the one that lets you sprint straight at gunners...I forget what it's called.

[silver mural]

Yeah shooting bursters should only occur when you know exactly where everyone is lest you burst one someone was gonna push

[lavish bronze]

It is not like that now

[lethal kraken]

You say don't pay mind to the crit and toxins synergies then? Okay, thanks

[livid raven]

Ain't nobody taking that

[verbal dew]

stripped down

[fathom raptor]

On needle pistol they are. =P

[verbal dew]

you take it on needler

[silver mural]

Needler likes it imo but yeah on other weapons more dps is harder to resist

[verbal dew]

because there's nothing else besides run n gun

v handy in h40

[silver mural]

That is also true

[livid raven]

Because it's the one of the few blessings that does anything at all on needler

[fathom raptor]

Also with a premade dedicated front-liner it could be useful...

To secure all those chokepoints

[livid raven]

It really wouldn't

[fathom raptor]

Depending on the skill of the player taking that position ofc

[silver mural]

If it had every blessing, what would you take? Assuming its dot would work with kill talents and such

[livid raven]

Good question

[verbal dew]

infernus

[silver mural]

I always forget we have heavy sword lol, ive never used it apparently

[livid raven]

Anything that improves damage for it, in any case

Infernus is a good one

[silver mural]

Idk what that one is

[verbal dew]

fire on crit

[silver mural]

Is it on flamers or smth

[verbal dew]

no las weapons

[silver mural]

Oh yeah the dot can crit cant it

[livid raven]

Nah

[verbal dew]

blazing spirit is the soulblaze version on force swords

[livid raven]

The initial hit can

[silver mural]

Oh so you just want more dot

[livid raven]

Yeah

[silver mural]

Is bleed still trash compared to other dots?

The bolters 4 stacks on bleed could work if not

[verbal dew]

it has the worst adm I think

[livid raven]

It has turboass caparace adm

[verbal dew]

toxin has the best adm

[silver mural]

Tbf needler isnt in need of help into carapace but i understand

[verbal dew]

idr what toxins 100+% are tho

if any

[livid raven]

Infested

Carapace

[silver mural]

Tbf needler isnt in need of help vs any target but it would be hilarious to one shot crushers instead of 3 shot

[livid raven]

And unyielding irrc

[silver mural]

(2 shot with the right talents i believe

[verbal dew]

i knew carapace wasn't over 100%

[livid raven]

Both infested and void shield are a bit deceiving tho, but yeah

[silver mural]

I do enjoy when the captains shield bursts and the dot basically instantly gets them to the health where it turns back on

[verbal dew]

soulblaze, bleed, burn

[silver mural]

I see so if you are insane bleeding hurts more then if you have no armour?

[verbal dew]

maniac is just the armor type

on ragers, flamers

[silver mural]

I know lol

[fathom raptor]

Ever seen someone pass out because they saw blood? =P

[silver mural]

I was making a joke

[lethal kraken]

So does Hive City Brawler mean when stamina is full that you have 20% damage reduction, and 20% damage boost when out of stamina?

[fathom raptor]

(Disclaimer) Me too. =)

[verbal dew]

it's a scale

it goes from 20-0, 0-20

[livid raven]

It's 10% of both at 50% stamina

[fathom raptor]

Very good talent.

[verbal dew]

some would say the best talent

[livid raven]

Literally every build wants this

[fathom raptor]

Naw, the best one isn't on a skill tree... ;)

[lethal kraken]

I thought so based on its inclusion on builds I've seen, but wanted to confirm what I was getting out of it at any time

Okay, thanks, I think I understood it correctly the first time, and you guys confirmed that

[verbal dew]

easy to check uptime on it if you have swift endurance as well

[lethal kraken]

Is that a mod?

[fathom raptor]

<3 3x +3 stam curios

[livid raven]

Yeah

[verbal dew]

uptime is a mod ye

very useful to analyze your builds

[lethal kraken]

k thx

[verbal dew]

to see what talents and blessings do for you

like when I run chem dep in havoc I have like 90% 3 stack uptime

[fathom raptor]

I think a useful feature for that mod would be a counter of how many enemies are around you in certain radii...maybe some people don't think a certain talent is very useful until they realize how often it's up when the "sh*t hits the fan..."

[livid raven]

I do think uptime isn't the most indicative

[verbal dew]

no it's a bit decieving on dodge talents

which never have that high of an uptime

but are very good

[livid raven]

Yeah

[fathom raptor]

C'est la vie

[verbal dew]

it doesn't have a competitive angle like scoreboard as well

if you're prone to get stuck on such

[main trellis]

Exacly; not everything has to be active all the time to still do its job (mostly as a ‚vaccine’ type shit)

[manic wolf]

Coulda fooled me way people were talkin a month or so back

[main trellis]

I mean you know what i mean right by my statement i hope

[manic wolf]

I know what you mean Willy, just sayin there was a period of time were some folks were trying to pick only the stuff with high uptime, regardless of the utility

[main trellis]

Yeah that; thats what i had in mind exacly 💯

Thx

[lost ravine]

this sounds like precog propaganda

[astral canyon]

Precog mention

[unreal stirrup]

precuck

[unreal stirrup]

expedition???????

chaos waste??????

[torpid cloud]

i need to get over my carprace skill issue
when i play ogryn the big fellas are no problem cause i main the pickax, but i dont yet have the feel for scums shivs for dealing with em

[unreal stirrup]

uncunny

make you reach almost 100% adm against cara

just do heavies

apply to both mark

[vapid jungle]

It looks so cool I can't wait for the trailer

[fast surge]

Uncanny on shivs is only 40% rending xd

[unreal stirrup]

shiv have like 58 adm against cara by default

[fast surge]

Not from the attack breakdowns that I'm seeing

[unreal stirrup]

on heavies

[fast surge]

Oh on heavies yeah I guess

[unreal stirrup]

washed

[ripe harness]

someone give me tips on how to do the penance where you regen toughness on stim use before i fucking crash out

[low harbor]

get shot into low toughneess, then use stim

[ripe harness]

didnt think of that one lad

[fast surge]

Join a tox gas mission>use stim in the gas>win

[warm axle]

at least that stimm is usable now. i did it when it gave coherency regen lol

[silver mural]

Oof

[vast vapor]

Love how people still think scum is getting cosmetics.

[manic wolf]

Shit, the cops are here, look busy lads

[limber cradle]

Oink oink oink

[lament stirrup]

Is the bone saw any good with rampage?

[vapid jungle]

There are much better options. That being said a Grey item would work with rampage.

[clever wren]

When you're not doing anything, always carry a stepladder

[upbeat gyro]

Is reding stimm overkill for Rashad? Mostly for crushers

[low harbor]

rashad heavy atk

.9 ADM vs carapace

u don't have to have rending

[upbeat gyro]

Ok, forgot this stupid event has the ogryns drop nades on you

No point going melee

And idiot teammates shooting bursters on your face constantly

Think ill just go desperado and hold full auto nonstop besides RPG for ogryns

[muted pivot]

Ten times more dangerous than a gun

[main holly]

i do that, is super fun tbh

[ripe harness]

blessings for autopistols desperado build?

[astral canyon]

Blaze away+pinning fire/speedload

[ripe harness]

ty

[near mauve]

scum is so goofy in the event

me when i deny people playing the game

[loud herald]

what kind of build you doin

[near mauve]

average desprado build

gun down all flesh enimies

spam rockets at armor

[loud herald]

ic ic

would I be cucking myself if I just went rockets in my melee build

and that's it

the only change I mean

[near mauve]

ill try a melee run on this mission

[loud herald]

bet

[near mauve]

rockets are just mandatory for maximum funnies

[loud herald]

yeah fair

you get grenade regen from something right

so you can just spam the rocket

[near mauve]

10% chance to get nades everytime u kill the big fellas

or something

[loud herald]

oo ok

[marble seal]

Rockets make the event so boring

[ripe harness]

should i re roll my 60 collat 80 mobility autopistols to 80 collat and 60 mobility or does it not matter that much?

(pls say it doesnt matter)

[eager reef]

I love picking an area i dont want tk see existing anymore

[near mauve]

its so goofy

[mighty belfry]

Event is literally made to sell Hive Scum tbh

[bronze glade]

"we can't sell p2w classes"

"but what if we create p2w events"

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[near mauve]

another 1 million event

goofy ass blitz

[mighty belfry]

I wonder if anyone has tried pocket nades in the event yet

[loud herald]

the blackouts?

[mighty belfry]

No, Chem nades

[loud herald]

oh

[bronze crown]

Which is better Vraks Mk V with 80% in all stats but 60% in Stability or Vraks Mk V with 78%-80 in most stats, 80% stability and amo in the 60%s?

[lost ravine]

i'd take the stability dump

[bronze crown]

Thank you.

[spice cloud]

On hivescum ammo doesnt matter

So you can dump it in theory if u have pickpocket and wanna go desperado.

[bronze crown]

Thank you.

[spice cloud]

And i personally wouldnt dump stability

As long as u just focus on killing specialists and elites you should never run out ever.

[river skiff]

Dumping it makes for better burst dmg since perks kick in a little sooner

[livid raven]

I don't get it

[low harbor]

ammo dump for inf autogun V

[lethal kraken]

So when it comes to the Chemical Dependency (CD) keystone, it seems it rewards you for having a short cooldown and stimming often. So why when I check the most upvoted builds with CD does it show a long cooldown below:

[low harbor]

Don’t bother with gameslantern builds lol

[lethal kraken]

Where else is there builds?

I'm an Ogryn in a HS body. I need instruction

[verbal dew]

the gameslantern builds are mostly just bad in general, having long stim cooldowns isn't necessarily a detriment to CD

because you have sample collector

[lethal kraken]

So the havoc 40 gameplay for a crowbar build around the time of HS release shown radically different: https://youtu.be/fIblA-Hye_g?t=31

[verbal dew]

and it's not that hard to keep CD at max stacks with the 90s window

[lethal kraken]

Others differ so much that I think it's wrong

[verbal dew]

just don't bother with the 60s 4 stack talent

it's not worth it in any way really

[verbal dew]

early builds like that were more to show off stuff, crowbar is not something you wanna bring in to h40 really

[lethal kraken]

YEah

I'm not shooting that high with the crowbar

I tried to see how others played it because I was dealing with dysfunction in my gameplay, and found that

[verbal dew]

min cooldown stimms are mostly a havoc thing, when you want to spam crate a lot to give corruption cleanse and immunity to your team

just maxing one tree is also a good middleground

[lethal kraken]

I'm not running Stimm Supply

I'm Rampage

[verbal dew]

but I wouldn't worry about stimm cooldown too much for CD since you're gonna be running sample collector

[lethal kraken]

Well, to have max stacks on it I have to pop it every 30 seconds

[verbal dew]

no

they go down one stack at a time

and you have 90s

[lethal kraken]

Yeah, so every 30 seconds one will fall off, right?

beacuse 3 stacks

[verbal dew]

no each stack is 90s

[lethal kraken]

Yeah, so I pop it and set a 90 second timer, pop it another 90 second timer, pop it and another 90 second timer. Unless I get well ahead of the 30 second stimm usage they will likely fall off every 30 seconds

If I use every 45 seconds, then I would expect only 2 stacks at any given time

[verbal dew]

they only go down one at a time

if the 90s are up

[lethal kraken]

Oh, that's what was meant

[verbal dew]

only one stack gets removed and you get another 90s timer

[lethal kraken]

There is only one timer

They all 3 don't countdown

[verbal dew]

yes that's basically what decay one at time mean

[lethal kraken]

I'm sorry for the confusion. Thank you

[verbal dew]

keeping CD up is no problem, regardless of what ability you're running

[lethal kraken]

Yeah, 3 stacks is very easy to keep up.

Or even to let it fall to 2 isn't a big deal. It's good to have high usage though

[muted pivot]

It's worth the same amount proportionately as the other keystone nodes

It's just that it limits you to using a half-stimm and getting to 4 stacks is tricky, but they only decay one at a time anyway so once you hit 4 you're fine after

10% CDR, 5% crit and 5% TDR is a lot when you add it all together. In a crit build I'd happily add a node that just says +5% crit without any of the other stuff

The closer you get to eliminating normal hits, the better

[verbal dew]

scum is hard pressed for talents as is imo, so I'd rather take something more substantial without a clear downside

[lethal kraken]

Does Blessed Stimm heal corruption to the next wound, like I think it does or does it keep going?

Dumb question, but I want confirmation

[zenith fern]

i think only current wound

[lethal kraken]

Thanks, I figured as much, but it would be wild if it didn't stop there

[verbal dew]

yeah, I wouldn't bother with that

[lethal kraken]

It isn't crazy to get puked on by a BoM, step in its puke on the ground or jumped on by a dog or someone picks up a grimoire. It has its use. Currently, I'm trying using a crowbar build without crit and toxin, and there is room in it for the node.

[verbal dew]

just don't get corrupted or run stim crate

it heals corruption and gives you immunity to it

[main trellis]

No; nothing does exept med stations, med stimms… and dying ofc
Aka dogshit don’t take it

[main trellis]

Apart from grims; rest is avoidable
Get better & you’ll see such dogshit talents are there to show you can pick smth but should not - just like some products at grocieries

Cam buy but ultimately not needed

[verbal dew]

grims are actually avoidable by not playing at difficulties or gamemodes where you'll see ppl picking them

[main trellis]

Quickplay

[lethal kraken]

lol, it's true that I haven't seen someone pick it up in high in damnation or auric lately

I haven't made a run at havoc since bouncing off 21+ to know much about that

[verbal dew]

they don't spawn there

nor in maelstroms

[lethal kraken]

Toxic gas modifier causes corruption, yeah?

That's a time it could be swapped in though, if so

[main trellis]

Don’t fight in the gas lmao
Learn pox gas layout on maps & adjust your strategy

There are always safe spots

Fixed locations

[lethal kraken]

Of course, just avoid it. Hard to not take damage sometimes because the modifiers are there to grief you

Oh, there are some fixed locations

Thanks for the advice. I made an adjustment

[main trellis]

Ofc; always been - some are better thought out than others but the main problem is the fact it interracts with spawn points for enemies so missions become more slow

Unless you rush & aggro multiple

& lose cause you play like you’re in auric

[lethal kraken]

Sounds like a learning process. Thanks for the advice. I'm off for the night

[delicate basalt]

man

i feel like

hivescum is a vet and zealot combined

and is better than both of them

at least i like scum more for ranged and melee with each build

also whats better for a gun build? chemical dependency or vulture's mark?

[astral canyon]

Vulture

[delicate basalt]

alright

[astral canyon]

Chem dep's main benefit is the crit chance which vulture also does as well as other stuff

That being more damage and move speed

[delicate basalt]

so what can i do to reduce desperado's cooldown?

what talents

[astral canyon]

Cooldown stimm is the only other source of cooldown for scum

[delicate basalt]

really now?

huh

cool

[astral canyon]

But its not really needed tbh

[delicate basalt]

then this is a must have skill no?

[astral canyon]

Pickpocket is already giving you infinite effective ammo

[astral canyon]

If you can afford the points ye

[delicate basalt]

alright

[astral canyon]

But again its not really needed

Its prob better to have strength stimm for desperado

[delicate basalt]

fair

[livid raven]

Desperado is not particularly fundamental

I suggest strength and speed stimm

[delicate basalt]

gotcha

[upbeat gyro]

Late december when i returned to game after 2 years, first game, i pick grimoire accidentally as thought it was tome, then asked next 10min how to get rid of it and couldnt

Then finally in elevator when we had time, went through every button and finally managed to make it disappear

[astral canyon]

I think i could count on one hand the amount of times i saw a scripture/grimoire retrieval secondary completed

[upbeat gyro]

Scriptures used to get done back in 2023-2024

[lilac crystal]

it was an event once

[astral canyon]

That was prob when i had stopped playing the game for a good while

[lilac crystal]

the health corruption is too harsh for such little benefit if you succeed

[main trellis]

Build without SC is a pepega build indeed

[astral canyon]

Eh not necessarily

It takes 3 points to path towards it

[main trellis]

Its purely for penances

[main trellis]

10% toxin str (can be a tax node)
+1 blitz (bruh thats very good; even with blinders)
And the SC itself
If you want your build to do more you take SC everytime

Unless

[astral canyon]

Eh i disagree about blinders

[main trellis]

You forgoe the stimm completelly

Its an option

[astral canyon]

For blinders the +1 blitz is def a tax

[main trellis]

Best pathing still if you want toxin for them so yeah

Not a tax

[astral canyon]

Which is an extra point on top

[main trellis]

But makes up for it

Its very powerful

[astral canyon]

Agree to disagree ig

Sample collector is very good but i dont mind not taking it to save a bunch of points

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah unless you're going toxin build I wouldn't recommend spending that many points

[main trellis]

I don’t run tox & i always take SC

[brittle sierra]

Haven't played the game in forever

Still telling people they are trash

[zenith pagoda]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a10c32ba-84f7-4d82-89de-7b0fc52648b9/avoid-blight

I've been running this since blight went out

[main trellis]

Quite bizzare

[zenith pagoda]

I love it, I just mag dump the IAG most of the time

Until carapace/bosses come

Then I rampage

[main trellis]

Then you should take forges

[zenith pagoda]

I swear the shout stagger does nothing?

The enemy slowdown isn't that useful to me tbh, my mobility is good enough to avoid anything and it only lasts 5s

[limber cradle]

I don't like forges personally

Don't feel like I need it for anything

Nice QoL I suppose

[vapid jungle]

Nice to have not need to have

[bronze glade]

wtf

forge is amazing

i won't stand for any forge slander

[vapid jungle]

I like what it does there's just so many good nodes below it

[muted pivot]

Scum has too many must-takes

[main trellis]

Its about the initial stagger; it can save you & others

If you use your ability for crushers & bosses having such stagger is precious

[livid raven]

Shout stagger is great

Easy to underestimate

Make vulture push like that

[bronze glade]

yes, buff desperado scum 🙂‍↕️

[limber cradle]

Ham doesn't run it either

He's why I stopped actually

I used to run it

Don't feel like I prefer it to say, stimm cooldown

[bronze glade]

what would a ham know about talent trees

[limber cradle]

swap black outs to chem nades on occasion

[bronze glade]

butterfly and coated are both dubious tbh

could easily fit forge in there

[limber cradle]

Like em

Don't like Forge

So yeah you could

I won't tho

I don't run needler either so I find coated nice

[bronze glade]

imagine not liking an ult subnode that's like 50% of VOC's power 😭

[limber cradle]

Fwiw

I do not like VoC

If I play vet it's exclusively ES

[bronze glade]

it's funny knocking things over

i don't run VOC ever, but i do like that

so bellow is just knocking more things over

on an ult that's actually cool

[astral canyon]

i still wish VoC got a rework to make it more focused on the team buffs besides gold toughness

like give it a bunch of other subnodes with different effects but the more you take the longer the cooldown gets

[vapid jungle]

Yah looking at the sub nodes of newer classes vs vet makes me sad

[astral canyon]

not really tbh

[vapid jungle]

Even just like move speed or something like that would be cool and thematic

[astral canyon]

both arb and scum have to cough up like 2-3 extra points for subnodes because of how good they are

[vapid jungle]

Im saying when you look at things like rampage there are builds and situations where you do and don't take subnodes. This isnt really the case for vet abilities its pretty consistent across builds.

I just want more viable options/flexibility and playstyles to lean into.

[astral canyon]

yeah but thats also in part because of how current vet tree gives you very few flex talent points

like the standard build template on path's guide leaves you with what, 4 points?

[main trellis]

Example;
Rampage ALWAYS takes 4 talents no matter the build… sometimes they take the rending one so 5
Anything below 4 is foolishness

[bronze glade]

vet tree second rework when

[bronze glade]

vet gets not one but TWO move speed nodes (and they both suck)

[vapid jungle]

Yah its part of a bigger problem

But they said the last reworks weren't the end of the changes

[vapid jungle]

Uh huh

[astral canyon]

8 unspent points, one of which is for blitz, another two for ability (both stance and shout want one subnode), and one last point for keystone with either focus target or WS so its actually 4 flex points

[vapid jungle]

And honestly I personally have even more must take nodes than that

[astral canyon]

and if you take kraks into high havoc thats another point gone to get tinkerer

[vapid jungle]

I don't like the way vet feels without the attack speed and stam regen delay node

[main trellis]

Eh; stam regen node is not needed - its more of a tax to get to shock trooper now

Which is sad

[bronze glade]

tbf 0.5s regen on vet feels really good

i wouldn't say it's a tax node

though i generally won't go out of my way to pick it up either

[livid raven]

doesn't vet have shit stam regen delay

[zenith pagoda]

Lmao I just found out you can shoot a rocket though a flamers backpack and it won't go off

[main trellis]

0.75s; same as zealot

[livid raven]

i thought it was 1

[main trellis]

Was

[livid raven]

owned

btw they should swap the ammo talent for something else

[vapid jungle]

I know its not needed purely preference.

But I love the knife and the 0.25 makes a big difference when youre PA spammin

[astral canyon]

They should change the layout so youre not forced to take one specific talent to path down

[livid raven]

yeah

that or like

[astral canyon]

As well as making the keystones not as deep down

[livid raven]

make the talent you are forced to pick actually be something you'd want

if you go down that way, it's most likely for shocktrooper and the capstone

[vapid jungle]

I also feel like nodes that only effect a small percentage of weapons should not lead to keystone. Kind of like how ogryns blast radius and burn is to the side and npt required to progress.

[livid raven]

actually they should be evil and make it forced deadshot

[warm axle]

my random scum cooked and blew up the lab again, but at least he had fun

[echo harness]

It's over

[livid raven]

yooo 84gbs just suddendly opened up on my computer

[near mauve]

good change

[echo harness]

if you cant hold m1 with uzi's the entire match why even live

[livid raven]

welp

[limber cradle]

Called it

[quaint field]

i need to prep for new update. i need my crowbar melee-primary gaming

is chemical dependency Bad

[verbal dew]

no

[muted pivot]

It's generally excellent for crit builds

Which is most builds

[quaint field]

i was mostly wondering about using it for big uptime on rampage

[verbal dew]

ye go for it

[quaint field]

but i plan to use crowbar and dual stubs, so it might be hard to justify..

[astral canyon]

dual stubs actually really like chem dep

[quaint field]

oh baller

[obsidian cipher]

Does anyone know what splash dmg new node do?

[astral canyon]

not yet

[quaint field]

what blessings do dual stubs take? i just have born in blood and hit & run for now

[astral canyon]

i run desperado run n gun

[unreal stirrup]

honestly deserved

still strong

[muted pivot]

I think about the only melee we have that doesn't care about crits is combat axe

[quaint field]

that makes sense...

[muted pivot]

Maybe chain axe too?

[quaint field]

also here's what i have as a sample tree

[unreal stirrup]

caxe doesn't need crit but it does have good crit breakpoint

[muted pivot]

Most people don't take the 4 stacks chem dep talent

[livid raven]

btw the 20% damage reduction got removed

[muted pivot]

(I do, but most don't)

Wait which 20%

When

[livid raven]

hive street something

[unreal stirrup]

hive city brawler

[livid raven]

that

[muted pivot]

Oh wow

Ok that saves a point on most builds now but that sucks lol

[jaunty spire]

pickpocket nerfed, it's so over bros

[muted pivot]

Did this patch just hit?

[limber cradle]

HCB nerf sucks ngl

[livid raven]

the tree got condensed apparently

[unreal stirrup]

where the new tree change

[livid raven]

you will save 1-2 talent points everywhere

[limber cradle]

I'd rather they take the useless melee damage lol

[unreal stirrup]

I don't want to open the game

[unreal stirrup]

which one

[livid raven]

youtubers

[astral canyon]

oh shit

[quaint field]

ough yeah thats an easy point reallocate

[unreal stirrup]

I don't want to watch youtube

[muted pivot]

Probably needed to happen, at least some of it

[livid raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJjdxfBByUs

i love when they kill the playstyle i like to play honestly

maybe i should go back to smite

it's not like psyker even get nerfed anyway

[quaint field]

i just love melee rampaging

[astral canyon]

he didnt mentione hive city brawler tho?

[livid raven]

yeah he did

a sec

[astral canyon]

whats the timestamp

[unreal stirrup]

do anyone have the full tree

[livid raven]

oh nvm

it's gang tough

[near mauve]

oh no i have to pull out my shivs and 1 shot a gunner/shotgunner/elite in melee

the absolute horror

[livid raven]

nvm then, it's a buff

[astral canyon]

lmao

[unreal stirrup]

mostly affect desperadoid

[livid raven]

literally killed ranged builds

[near mauve]

how

[unreal stirrup]

its so over

[near mauve]

just kill aen elite in melee when u run out

[unreal stirrup]

you have to engage with the melee system

[livid raven]

btw with gang tough removed you get more toughness instead as baseline

[unreal stirrup]

😔

[compact oyster]

Hive scum is now bounty hunter

[near mauve]

pure ranged builds shoult not be a thing

fuck that

[compact oyster]

If you want infinite ammo make a desperado build with cdr stims

[livid raven]

yeah right

[limber cradle]

Off HCB

Was 20 percent DR at full stamina and 20 percent melee at 0

[astral canyon]

hive city brawler didnt get changed

[unreal stirrup]

no i mean the melee damage one

what do you mean

[limber cradle]

Idk how to explain it more clearly

I thought someone said HCB lost the DR

[unreal stirrup]

cheapshot?

[livid raven]

yeah my bad i meant gang tough

[limber cradle]

Alright, ty

[compact oyster]

Hive scum lost 10%tdr

Reginald said that

[astral canyon]

but got more base toughness instead

[sacred estuary]

Is there a list of upcoming changes for hive scum?

[limber cradle]

Yeah where can I just see this myself

[astral canyon]

we dont have the actual patch notes

[limber cradle]

Fuck

[astral canyon]

just people saying what the changes are

[unreal stirrup]

also lmao

#veteran-class message

[sacred estuary]

Yeah saw that Pickpocket change a moment ago

[unreal stirrup]

imagine having to melee in a tide game or smt

[limber cradle]

I didn't run pp anyway tbh

[quaint field]

imagine not wanting to melee in a game with as tight and enjoyable of a melee system as this

[compact oyster]

Also needle pistol isnt as opressive now

[quaint field]

tbh i think that hive scum is gonna be the only class i play that i will actually do a ranged build on

how long till we see the new trees?

[unreal stirrup]

pickpocket change specifically gonna affect weapon that isn't needler the most lol

it still gonna be busted as hell imo

[quaint field]

it does give you a bare minimum to play with, just gotta be Careful

[livid raven]

true, the needle gun won't be as oppressive now that MELEE builds can't abuse it as much since they are just MELEE builds

[unreal stirrup]

bare minimum meanwhile needler 1-2 shot specialist/elites

the nerf is pretty much nothing on non desperado build

[jaunty spire]

Pickpocket nerf would make Vulture's Mark builds even less viable then, no?

[tribal falcon]

I just like hitting things with melee build

[jaunty spire]

but that means no more dakka

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[pale trench]

Does the needle pistol have a strict range I'm not aware of? Or is there some kind of a trick to aiming with it? (Inb4 "get good" or "don't miss")

[bronze glade]

aim for head

that's it

[obsidian cipher]

thanks NT for it

[livid raven]

yeah alright

[unreal stirrup]

damn

[obsidian cipher]

that looks hella op for havoc ngl (nvm it cant go over 2 stacks)

[livid raven]

completely made sneedler special mode outdated btw

[obsidian cipher]

You can hella solo carry as hs in 40s, but with that - OH BOI

[livid raven]

not like it needed any help for that

[unreal stirrup]

we have perilous combustion at home

actually better since toxin

[livid raven]

this is much more insane than perilous combustion

[bronze glade]

this might be stronger than PC

yeah

[unreal stirrup]

2 stack is enough to kill chaff iirc?

[livid raven]

yeah

i mean

you kill two chaffs

that's 4

at least those toxin talents now have a reason to exist

[unreal stirrup]

does this work like pc or wildfire

if it pc then yeah fucking busted

it gonna be insane in havoc

[livid raven]

i read it as 2 toxin to 10 enemy in a 4m range

but

fatshark

[unreal stirrup]

same im kinda illiterate

pc with target cap

10 is fucking insane though

[livid raven]

good thing pickpocket needed that nerf

finally the honest melee hivescum can now play the game with balanced talents like these

[unreal stirrup]

you know what

nerf ogryn

[livid raven]

true

also buff that scrier again

VoC? how about a 250% cd increase

[unreal stirrup]

exe stance upscale

[supple torrent]

gun scum didnt deserve this.

[obsidian cipher]

I mean melee was always the strongest build, but now its gonna be juicy strong

[bronze glade]

nah it absolutely did

tho the nerf also affects melee builds

[unreal stirrup]

pickpocket specifically make every build a gun scum build lol

[livid raven]

it really doesn't

[unreal stirrup]

It doesn't

[bronze glade]

well it technically does

[livid raven]

bro if you use 20% of your ammo without a melee specialist kill

[supple torrent]

Im a bit out of the loop. Is it the traditional dual auto/autogun guns scum thats oppressive or is it infinite needle pistol?

[unreal stirrup]

yeah it is a nerf but like you not gonna feel it on melee

[bronze glade]

but yes in practice it's a smaller impact

[livid raven]

you aren't exactly a melee build now are you

[unreal stirrup]

infinite needler

[bronze glade]

nearly anything gunscum

[unreal stirrup]

this doesn't solve this issue btw

[bronze glade]

except maybe dual stubs

basically any gun with half decent synergies with desperado becomes insane

with desp

[supple torrent]

Yeah I feel like this doesnt fix inifnite needle but I keep getting mixed reponses on how strong gun scum is

[bronze glade]

my very first auric match using SAP desperado netted 1.3m damage

SAP isn't even a meta pick

gun scum shouldn't exist in the game as it currently stands

[supple torrent]

I dont think I mind going into melee to refill pickpocket. I was doing that in some games already cus I hose down crushers

[limber cradle]

Explains why you think gun scum didn't deserve this

[muted pivot]

Ok just saw the pickpocket nerf and I'm absolutely fine with that lmao

[limber cradle]

It's just VT2 BH now

[unreal stirrup]

yeah scum get to be even more op at the cost of minor pickpocket nerf

[muted pivot]

Man could have been way worse than that

[supple torrent]

I was joking about it not deserving it. But its whatever

[livid raven]

except VT2 BH refills ammo just by critting

so it's not vt2 bh

[unreal stirrup]

griffon foot build 🤤

[unreal stirrup]

bh have on demand crit

[obsidian cipher]

splash dmg is capped a 2 stacks btw

[supple torrent]

More thematic anyways

[unreal stirrup]

• scourger

[muted pivot]

Now needle gun is a Flamer instead of an inferno

[unreal stirrup]

you can quite literally sustain infinite ammo

[livid raven]

yeah you can

[supple torrent]

Just ban needle from pickpocket and be done with it

[livid raven]

make pickpocket a vulture subnode

that would have been enough

like

VULTURE

[supple torrent]

That hurts the chem dep gun scum player

meaning me

[livid raven]

ahahha yes

yessss

[limber cradle]

Ok

[livid raven]

weapon blessing

[limber cradle]

Salvaged Munitions

[supple torrent]

I feel like pickpocket should be lower down in the tree. Like where the dodge talent is

[limber cradle]

You mean something totally agnostic of class

[livid raven]

i mean something that everyone fucking takes on the ranged weapon yes

[unreal stirrup]

.

[eager reef]

im happy with pickpocket

it's the change i wanted

[livid raven]

i'm also happy with pickpocket

my empty space increased by 84gbs

[unreal stirrup]

wdym

[livid raven]

i now have 275Gbs space on my ssd

[eager reef]

i was out here planning to pick up crimson desert and now i can skip that for more darktide

[livid raven]

i still refuse to believe crimson desert is a game

[eager reef]

i want to believe

but between marathon and now darktide next week

[livid raven]

oh yeah definitely enjoy marathon first before it dies in two months

[eager reef]

i have no time for what will (if real) liekly be a several hundred hour game

[unreal stirrup]

it take a while for me to realize that crimson desert is a sp game lmao

shit look like an mmo

[livid raven]

it's basically a mmo made single player, yes

[eager reef]

for what it is, i'm enjoying it

[unreal stirrup]

more marathon lore though

[livid raven]

yeah in the same way duke nukem forever was more duke nukem

[eager reef]

bungie can eat shit, but the game is fun

[quaint field]

what do yall do for stimm lab stimms

[eager reef]

damage or attack speed

depend on which mouse im using

[woeful hill]

mine

https://tenor.com/view/braindead-cat-brain-damage-gif-583403308765934478

[quaint field]

hahaha

[drowsy relic]

stim equivalent of a cigarette

[quaint field]

yeah im just going down the chem dependency path and im wondering if i send cooldown or something else

[pale trench]

That's basically the same as "don't miss". I even have the extended weapon customization mod and I put a sight on it and the dot is right on an enemy and I pull the trigger and the dart doesn't hit

I'm not saying I never miss but there are quite a few times where I swear I would hit with any other gun but not with the needle pistol

[eager reef]

but will be get new store cosmetics for arby and scum (it will be SOOO funny if scum get's some before arby)

[bronze glade]

well i'm not saying you have to hit literally every shot in the head. there is a bonus for hitting the head but it's not a big deal

[livid raven]

ahaha good one

[bronze glade]

if you're more comfortable going for body shots that's totally fine too

won't materially impact damage

[eager reef]

i really want it to happen

[unborn glade]

fatshark cannot actually put a lot of arbites cosmetics because it's gw dependant

while hs can literally be anything

skull mask, orc head on a waist - you name it, they make it

[supple torrent]

Is there a list anywhere of the class changes?

[eager reef]

oh i know, i jsut want arby players to suffer

[unborn glade]

WE ARE SUFFERING

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/summoning-gif-16806659066271167689

[unborn glade]

the only good cosmetics for arbi is that trenchcoat

and that's all

[supple torrent]

You get a trench coat and you're going to like it

[unborn glade]

even splinter cell mask is ass

[unborn glade]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-gif-22672301

[zenith fern]

Can't believe scum has received two tree reworks this soon smh

[quaint field]

the tree did feel rather tight with what you had to allocate on

[supple torrent]

tbh the 1st one was mostly shifting skills around to make early game scum easier

[livid raven]

and to remove two shit tax nodes

[supple torrent]

Delete the tox damage node pls

[livid raven]

they might actually be cracked now

like, i'm no doctor, but this might make them a bit better

[compact oyster]

Holy shit

[supple torrent]

Where is that node?

[unreal stirrup]

perilous combustion at home

[livid raven]

new node

i imagine in the toxin part of the tree

[unreal stirrup]

except it kill 10 chaff

[supple torrent]

Is it going to replace coated weapons or something

[unreal stirrup]

it doesn't replace costed weaponry because this is a on kill talent

[livid raven]

i don't know unfortunately

[unreal stirrup]

while coated is on crit

[livid raven]

he says if it's replacing coated weaponry on the tree

[unreal stirrup]

oh

[supple torrent]

Yeah I was thinking. All the subtrees have a "weird melee interaction" skill. It felt odd to have two on the toxin side

[icy scaffold]

Muh poor pickpocket