hivescum-class

[low harbor]

x0.6 block cost from front

u can unironically block a plague ogryn charge and no guard break

[limber cradle]

If i ever care to level it I'll lyk

[low harbor]

XII genuinely good now

I think it's a legit t1 melee

[limber cradle]

But i really don't like chain weapons and how they function in DT

[low harbor]

they could be better yea

[limber cradle]

They just feel bad

Brunt sold me a 60 def one first try tho so

[low harbor]

I think 2 things would rly improve chain weapons

[low harbor]

u actually want 60 mob on chainaxe

def is not dump

[limber cradle]

Well, thank god I saw i still had to level it and did not want to use it

[low harbor]

1. make saw-rip tick rate scale with attack speed bonuses (or just make it faster baseline)
2. create a minor explosion (similar to Overload blessing) when player lands a special or heavy sawrip attack

[tender marten]

its taken too long for people to stop sleeping on the chaxe12

[limber cradle]

I just don't like weapons that bite and hold me still

[low harbor]

it's not that bad

for chainaxe anyway

[woeful hill]

that was close

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-freddy-fazbear-fnaf-foxy-foxy-fnaf-gif-24852323

[low harbor]

can't say the same for most other chain weapons

[pale python]

So I've heard the bone saw doesn't it like do damage over time toxin kinda affect if I hit the enemy?

[zenith pagoda]

https://klipy.com/gifs/big-oof-1

[dapper coral]

shivs or cb knife?

[mighty belfry]

it

is really preference at this point

both are good

shivs are generally better for clear at the cost of a negligible amount of single target

and a really good weapon special

toxin knives are great

[dapper coral]

❤️ thx

usually go gun type of build w shivs but don't use shivs as much as i should, but now messed around with cb blade on zealot and seemed fire, so was now wondering for a more melee focussed build on scum.

[past zealot]

Who has that parry build

[limber cradle]

At all is that bad for me

I just hate it feeling wise

[limber cradle]

This shit is exactly why I run shivs tbh

Still no curio drops btw

[mighty belfry]

jesus

[limber cradle]

This shit has to be bugged

[verbal dew]

wdym curio drops

[lost ravine]

have you thrown your melkbucks at the curio vending machine

[limber cradle]

Yes

[limber cradle]

Post mission with the curio blessing

[lost ravine]

[verbal dew]

oh you're actually trying to do that

I always thought that took too long

[limber cradle]

Apparently it does

Ive been doing auric maels anyway so its whatever

But I've done like 9 missions

And only gotten weapons

I'm not even asking for a 21 rn, I'd take anything just to make it sure it works

[muted pivot]

Also consider tac axe 7, combat axe 3, heavy sword (any)

Tac axe is a lot of fun

Bromentum does funny things with hyperviolence

[olive yoke]

hey how do i switch mode on my needle gun?

[lost ravine]

use special bind

[olive yoke]

oh thank you i wasnt sure wether it was in menu or on the fly :))

[mighty belfry]

now snipers are shooting without the lasers actually pointing at you

good god what is happening to this game

[clever wren]

May be related to whatever keeps kicking me back to character select with error 2004, 2014, or 2019

I'm a little scared of what happens when it reaches 2026

[shut grotto]

Is Combat Axe any good on Scum?

Or Taxe?

[mighty belfry]

Taxe is very good generalist and extremely good rampage weapon.

Rashad combat axe is generally considered the strongest rampage melee.

But I don't like it personally.

[shut grotto]

Any particular strat for the Rashad? Like attack combos, or is it just spam light into horde and heavy for armour?

I tend to use shivs for speed typically

[limber cradle]

Spam light for horde, use heavies for big things ime

Its Rashad, yk?

[shut grotto]

Cool, thought so

I just know that apparently one of the combat axe's is weird and not like that but couldn't remember which one

[tranquil fjord]

the first antax heavy is horizontal but its still strikedown/smiter

although all of its moves still have the same stats as the rashad

just

worse angles and moveset

i think

[muted pivot]

I think you can do heavies on Rashad strictly Vs Carapace from looking at the adms

Tac axe is way more fun though

[tranquil fjord]

higher damage is better for building hyper violence

[muted pivot]

Scum feels weird not leaning into crit

[tranquil fjord]

so if you heavy a horde enemy

it works well

[muted pivot]

Very similar damage though

Between lights and heavies for Rashad

Heavy main advantage is like 90% carapace damage instead of 20%

[muted pivot]

Achlys is the weirdo

Antax is basically a better Rashad for lower levels where you don't have all the modifiers full, but worse after

Small other differences but 99% it's that

[shut grotto]

Not a fan of tac axe tbh, tried it on vet for a different build but just don't like how it plays

[shut grotto]

Ohh right, what's the difference with it?

[muted pivot]

H1 is its only horizontal iirc

Every other attack is a vertical?

[tranquil fjord]

oh i got them mixed up

[muted pivot]

I always recommend Antax to people who aren't fucking with Hadron much yet

Just tell them to slap bromentum on it and relax on the other blessings and perks til they care more

Back in the day before the easy godrolls, it was so much easier to make a good Antax

[sturdy linden]

the Noctis Aeterna

[reef portal]

what are the best blessings for shivs?

[tranquil fjord]

uncanny, riposte/precog (precog if you have enough crit chance)

[coarse creek]

god, remembering rolling up a new batches of rashads and trying to test which of them could hit bruiser bps

[muted pivot]

You can also go Riposte and precog

Good synergy and shivs don't need uncanny so much

They get a nerfed version of it (still strong), but also you get great adms on carapace

[coarse creek]

rampage rend and rend stim too

[muted pivot]

And toxin dot

[coarse creek]

and that

[muted pivot]

Wouldn't bother with rend stim

You get way more from finesse

Or crit even

[coarse creek]

makes sense

(i have absolutely not done the maths)

[tranquil fjord]

the shiv's lights need uncanny

[muted pivot]

If you go chem dependency then definitely finesse

Does it help them on flak or something?

I find I can blend anything human sized with lights on a rampage build regardless of uncanny

[muted pivot]

Just look at those glorious attack tables on the inspect page

[tranquil fjord]

yes

[muted pivot]

Shivs crit and weakspot bonus on heavies is absolutely insane

[tranquil fjord]

youre only getting two thirds of the flak adm on lights

the uncanny helps with the light adms, and then heavy adms somewhat

[muted pivot]

Hm, it's nice to get to light attack down shotgunner or gunner packs true

[tranquil fjord]

scab ragers

[muted pivot]

Rampage rending though covers a lot

[tranquil fjord]

depends on the mark of shiv

[muted pivot]

I just use 1s

I tend to Heavy down scab ragers

All Ragers really, treat them as scary enough to go for timing hits

[tranquil fjord]

i just find its easy to kill them in a large group with uncanny vs going riposte/precog

[muted pivot]

Guess LMB spam would be good if it actually worked

[tranquil fjord]

i mean, it depends

im able to build enough overkill damage and then one shot them with lights

[muted pivot]

If it kills them then it's the best way

Fastest hit and it cleaves

Well, cleaves easily

Heavies cleave too

[tranquil fjord]

i mean it wouldnt even need to cleave because the shiv lights come out so fast

[muted pivot]

But in like a tiny cylinder

I take all the cleave talents lol

[tranquil fjord]

the first heavy on one of the shiv marks can hit two enemies

[muted pivot]

One-shotting two targets is a lot better than one-shotting one

[tranquil fjord]

i use the mk1

[mighty belfry]

when you're doing a lot of damage to feed into hyperviolence

this barely matters

[muted pivot]

The mark 1s are just better I think

Scum is probably the best class to maintain precog uptime too

[mighty belfry]

finesse maxxing will 100% get you to that point

[muted pivot]

And precog combos so hard with riposte

Like they're meant to be together

I think Riposte is the must-take of the triangle though

Like I wouldn't do uncanny precog

Tried Riposte flesh tearer too

It is unimpressive.

[bronze glade]

yeah FT is not worth on shivs

[bronze glade]

mk3 is mostly for the blender funnies

[muted pivot]

Hypercritical makes it a joke

Mark 1s are a blender already tbh

[bronze glade]

yes but mk3s blend even better

[brittle sierra]

Me one shotting the burgle with my tiny knife: 😈

[muted pivot]

I gotta get back into shiv gaming

Been doing all the good cross class scum rampage weapons

Tac axe, combat axe, heavy sword

(fuck combat blade)

[tranquil fjord]

i hope they will fix the on-kill blessings with hypercrit

chained deathblow on the heavy sword is nice but

[muted pivot]

Which ones are broken?

[tranquil fjord]

it works against you when you cant upkeep the blessing

[muted pivot]

What, headtaker?

[tranquil fjord]

on kill blessings dont work if hypercrit takes the kill

[brittle sierra]

That's intended they will never "fix" it

[muted pivot]

Eh, I don't take hypercrit on the cutlass already

[tranquil fjord]

ah

[muted pivot]

And on tac axe it's fine because it just helps you get killing blow on elites when you don't have hyperviolence rolling yet

Combat axe also doesn't take hypercrit

(actually I might have hypercrit on heavy sword can't remember now)

[brittle sierra]

Because if Hypercrit still kept the value of the one shot it would be gross

I think what they can do is just make it so that the damage applied is calculated before the HC proc

But even then, that would be gross that you basically can one shot everything in the game except bosses if you just slaughter hordes all the time

[tranquil fjord]

thats applying to hyper violence

[muted pivot]

🐴

[tranquil fjord]

i only wish that on kill blessings would work

oh

[brittle sierra]

Oh yeah they need to fix everything in the game

They only have fixed flash grenades I think

[muted pivot]

Silent sniper shots pls

They have been awful lately

[brittle sierra]

HC kills don't count as kills for anything that has a prerequisite for it

[muted pivot]

Also sometimes no wind-up plasma?

[mighty belfry]

#hivescum-class message lol

i heard the cue, but the shot fired off earlier too

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1473167130730954929/6CFCC81.MP4?ex=699dcb0e&is=699c798e&hm=b5cc69c2257dd06550060b218df54ec40dbd039a03deb73a75e6f0d4cf8eeb10&

[tranquil fjord]

i really hope theyre working to fix these things

but

ehhhhhhhh

[marble seal]

Wut

[sturdy linden]

fastest Sniper in the west

shoots before aiming

[woeful hill]

the invis vet agro swapped

as soon as the sniper played the audio for the vet he popped invis, so it swapped target before the lazer matched its target

[sturdy linden]

delete stealth

[thorny ginkgo]

would blackout grenades with pocket toxin work better with a tac axe rampage build instead of the rpg

[tranquil fjord]

tac axe can suffer a little into carapace outside of rampage

i mean, chem grenade would do the same but only if you know how to keep them in the area

[low harbor]

this vid is made 10x better by u opening chat and typing "fuck"

[woeful hill]

yeah

lol

It was after a 8 min clutch

they died 2 seconds after btw

we love agro dumping

makes enemies do goofy things

[bronze glade]

holy shit

you were playing psyker too

vet

[mighty belfry]

i love when i take people into my havoc and they end up having a better kill count on me than the actual enemies

as in they're the main thing actively killing me

:^)

my distrust for tauntgryns in havoc only grows more as the days pass

[tranquil berry]

10/10 darktide pvp move. Beats any barrel shot!

[zenith fern]

Taunt Ogryns that don't know how to use it correctly?

[mighty belfry]

yes

And also shoot their explosive weapon at every poxburster I'm trying to push

[zenith fern]

I recently tried to play havoc as shield bull charge and every single request I tried, all got denied

[mighty belfry]

Look

If you want

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drool-cat-drool-stupid-cat-stupid-gif-16115568451884306746

[mighty belfry]

I will gladly take you up with bullrush

I am so tired of tauntgryns fucking me over 😭

[zenith fern]

I used to main taunt a lot on havoc and it was the most helpful thing for saves

Been wanting to try bull but never got the chance lmao

[mighty belfry]

The audacity of them talking about how the other teammates sucked too

Really got under my skin

[zenith fern]

Ogryn "players" are a whole peerless specimen

[mighty belfry]

You either get literal gods at this game that are chill af

Or the most braindead, toxic players in existence

There's like no in between

[zenith fern]

I got few havoc runs saved but I remember playing with two psykers and no veteran and it was most chill run

Forgot it was 34 or 40

[brittle sierra]

This is AI so I respond with

[zenith fern]

Taunt and using my rumbler with spare because no veteran and also taunt was just carrying the whole game

[tranquil fjord]

what the fuck am i watching

[brittle sierra]

So basically, Diddy uses his baby oil technique on Epstein but he counters with Domain Expansion Epstein Island Temple

[bronze glade]

ram tripled in price for this shit 😭

[sturdy linden]

how do you even use taunt wrong

charge you can screw up

but taunt?

[woeful hill]

dragging agro through/into your team

example

watch ogryn

(I know taunt wasnt used here but this is what happens usually)

[sturdy linden]

so because he's dodging backwards, the mobs are being aggroed to everyone else?

[woeful hill]

crusher is locked onto the ogryn

he dodges into scum

kills them both

another example

this time it was taunt that killed me

I can't push a burster thats agroed to the ogryn cause taunt

[sturdy linden]

right right

this one is clear enough

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1445156741343084717/1E2CCF1.MP4?ex=699e1098&is=699cbf18&hm=d5b1f4b71bbaa9bd17788d1014605fca44067ed0cf65f7e67d49b755ca84910c&

another example

this time I get slotted by taunt

[sturdy linden]

Oh shit

But hang oj

If enemies move through you to occupy someone else's / your slot

Why does this situation happen at all

[woeful hill]

enemies can remove their collision with you when they are slotted to someone else

they can pass through you, you cant pass through them

this happens without taunt but taunt makes it way more common

[tranquil berry]

Best way to end up inside an ogryn... And not in a fun way

[exotic temple]

I hate the collision in this game they need to fix them all

[sturdy linden]

So then why didn't those poxxers just pass through you to get to the Ogryn

[woeful hill]

they were

they just got staggered by the rumber

so they stood their for a sec, frozen in my model

[woeful trellis]

hive scum should have a stimm that lets you phase through enemies on dodge

they could call it ozempic or something

[mighty belfry]

tried again with a tauntgryn

slotted because they go into a tight corner to pull the bosses

i'm just

[sturdy linden]

Oh damn

God, I used to think this game was complex before

The more I learn, the more of a scrub I realize I am

[keen sapphire]

thats basically just vultures dodge

if you use normal dodging with VD you just cant be touched

[mighty belfry]

it's not

they mean getting caught on enemies

not getting hit by them

[keen sapphire]

o

[strange acorn]

combat blade + hyper-critical, hyper-violence worth adding to?

I'm still working on the masteries to get more crits, but I was rewatching my last game and it didn't seem to proc super often (and the amount of damage on a non-crit has to be negligible anyway)

[keen sapphire]

tbh not sure how hyper critical and hyper violence work together

if it applies on the instakills still itd prob be good but it might not

[strange acorn]

wondering that as well

[zenith fern]

Love that in all these clips the Ogryns are always backed away dragging all agroed enemies into the teammates who are in front

Like man you want to be ahead and take all agro so the team is safe behind or around you while they fight other enemies

[woeful hill]

Yeah

Always inclined to decline taunt ogryns

Which is 95% of ogryns

Because it's often the only thing they know how to do

[keen sapphire]

as taunt ogryn i know 2 things

taunt and special action shield

i will just taunt and go into a corner and then shield up

for however long it takes

[zenith fern]

Taunt and plant shield is a death sentence waiting for you

[keen sapphire]

i do plenty of push spamming too

[zenith fern]

If there's a time where I use taunt around or behind my teammates is when I see scabs about to overhead them or be grabbed by muties and CS to save them

I forgot can red aura crushers and maulers overhead windups be cancelled with taunt use?

[woeful hill]

No

That's a stagger/stun

They still finish their attack iirc then agro swap

[zenith fern]

Been too long since I got to play that modifier

[cosmic scroll]

can i settle for this 61? i feel like ive seen 100 shivs and no perfect 60

[bronze glade]

literally unusable

1% off, it's over

[upbeat gyro]

Would heavy attack go to 170 with that 1% though?

But perfectly useable

[keen sapphire]

i dont think so

[keen sapphire]

even still i dont think it actually matters

might just be annoying to look at

[calm aurora]

That explains sooo much

[hollow gate]

you must be havoc 40 24/7 guy in order to be saying that tbh

[cosmic scroll]

stopping power dump just keeps you from staggering plasma gunners or something right?

[exotic temple]

Or it could be a joke….

[zenith fern]

There were really some weird ass downs from this team but still managed to defend the most lmao

[river skiff]

Did you take the node for crit on dodging?

[unreal stirrup]

I mean its like auric mael isn't that hard

[strange acorn]

I did

but I still decided on dropping the +25% on overkill and I'm not seeing a huge difference tbh

[main trellis]

True

[river skiff]

It works really well with shivs maybe knife has too low base dmg?

[strange acorn]

tbh, it's not like it's easy to see in the first place

when you're spam clicking like a mfer in front of a horde it's hard to see if you're carrying 25% of the overkill from one mook into the other lol

[main trellis]

Don’t need to; it dies

[river skiff]

Yeah it's pretty noticeable when more of them start dropping at once lol

[keen sapphire]

yea at first you dont notice it but when it starts it dont stop till everythings ded

[neat delta]

Why have you been playing roblox for 9 hours

[flat mist]

For the kiddies

[unique spire]

He's letting Roblox collect his data for Persona

[main trellis]

Yes… that one Officer

🫵

[strange acorn]

...wait, so with practiced deployment you can basically stimm up before deploying your F and basically double dip into all bonuses?!

god damn and here I was thinking this ability was already busted lol

[reef portal]

yeah im also going with uncanny but idk if it’s good compared with precog

[main trellis]

No

If you use your stimm your crate does not have its bonuses cause its on cooldown

[strange acorn]

huh

could swear my gun fires faster when I do one first and then the other

[muted pivot]

I think what it does is lets you build up Chem Dep sooner

So you're closer to full power on first engagement

[lost ravine]

you can also do a silly 15s cd stim and have perma supply

[lavish forge]

I want to do this but irl

[severe tinsel]

so is hivescum broken and OP?

[muted pivot]

I mean, it's not the strongest, but it's in the problematically-strong tier yes

[zenith fern]

High skill level class

It is very strong but squishy

[severe tinsel]

high skill level huh

well eventually like arbitrator it will be nerfed

[bronze glade]

lol it’s not even squishy if you don’t want it to be

It’s literally like psyker

“Glass” cannon

[near mauve]

"nerfed" lol

more like get a slap on the wrist

[muted pivot]

Desperado if you want easy mode where you don't have to be afraid of bullets ever

[zenith fern]

Psyker is not even a glass cannon anymore

[bronze glade]

Yea

Neither is HIV tbh

[marble seal]

Regen toughness on being shot makes scum more of a “tank” than most classes in havoc

[zenith fern]

You see Arbites is a low skill class

Everything you touch just get staggered no matter how little it is

And will remain like this for a long time

[zenith fern]

The early February balance changes incident

[marble seal]

Regen on being hit by trash shooters and massive dodge distance are pretty much the perfect tools for surviving anything

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1461399148581490863/371AC71.MP4?ex=696a6984&is=69691804&hm=202a86e0f3dbe10698eb491a3792264cc384bc2e0aded6eb76bd9bc743e9c966&

And just plain ol DR stacking

[marble seal]

lol is that with toughness stim

[bronze glade]

Nope

That’s just hive city brawler and rampage iirc

#hivescum-class message

This is if I try to actually DR max

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-slap-kat-slap-slap-cat-cate-gif-7906458944533086715

[muted pivot]

fuckin hulk hogan level no-sell there

[severe tinsel]

true tho

[obtuse ruin]

say this might be a.... real awkward question if I fucked up, but when people talk about the vraks for scum... is it the braced or infantry autogun?

[woeful hill]

Infantry

[obtuse ruin]

oh thank the emperor. Otherwise I would've had to spend a long time getting another gun lol

[brittle sierra]

Yeah this idea that scum is "fragile" has never played Ogryn on a shock trooper auric 😔

[cosmic scroll]

does this allow healing past the nearest wound? or is it limited to only healing your nearest wound like stim supply is?

[livid raven]

no

[brittle sierra]

No

[livid raven]

you can't ever heal wounds unless it's it's the health stimm or the medic station

[cosmic scroll]

so that node serves zero purpose if you're already using stim crate?

other than maybe procing it more with direct stimming

[livid raven]

it generally serves 0 purpose entirely, but yeah

[brittle sierra]

Compared to 25 toughness the other nodes look like peanuts

[cosmic scroll]

so i was messing with single node 15 second stim crates, but it doesnt feel too impactful, whats a good middle ground of drugs to cool down ratio people like running?

[brittle sierra]

If you run sampler it doesn't really matter

It depends what you are playing too, for higher difficulties stimm supply had more value

[cosmic scroll]

dumps for needle are stopping or damage as they only affect the near meaningless initial hit right?

[zenith fern]

Just had two crusher overheads on me because my teammates dodge into me lmao

[livid raven]

yeah

[brittle sierra]

You can dump everything except mobility it doesn't really matter

Even ammo if you are taking pit pocket

[cosmic scroll]

my current is mobility, i was thinkg ammo but i think since pickpocket is based on % total ammo that ammo might mean getting less than 2 full mags from pickpocket

finally hit 30 so gonna send one to 500, but not sure which

actually my current one has 8 mobility so, ive been slugging it around

[brittle sierra]

I would upgrade the ammo dump one

[river burrow]

New to scum, couple questions

Taking carapace and flak for shivs, but what’s the dump stat? I’m assuming mobility?

Also, secondary fire on needle gun explodes things, but other than looking cool, does it do anything else? Like spread into others around?

[zenith fern]

Mobility for shivs

I usually take unyielding and carapace for shivs

[cosmic scroll]

if you spread the alt fire into multiple targets in a horde, it seems to aoe spread enough toxin stacks to melt the horde, it just doesnt chain beyond what you shoot, so its limited

and needs to be spread by you and your aim

[mighty belfry]

Flak and carapace is valid too

[cosmic scroll]

but it only applies 1-2 toxin stacks as opposed to 6-7 with the primary fire so its ass for st application

[mighty belfry]

#hivescum-class message

[zenith fern]

What was the max chem stack again? 32?

[mighty belfry]

30

[zenith fern]

Insane stacks

Can't wait for next class gonna have another bleed like mechanic but has even more stacks than chem

[brittle sierra]

Perks are Unyielding and Cara

You can take maniac instead of Unyielding if you want

Yes mobility is the dump on them

The secondary fire in needle is pretty underwhelming, it's only use case is to help proc stimm supply on trash hordes so you can get your stimm cooldown back

[mighty belfry]

It's underwhelming. Until you realize pickpocket is a thing.

Then it just becomes temu purge staff because all you have to do is just spam secondary needles and at some point, it snowballs into actually doing decent horde clear even for bruisers and the like.

[brittle sierra]

Reload maxing supply build

[mighty belfry]

I hate it so much.

I do not like that it's a thing

But it is in fact a thing that you can do.

[brittle sierra]

I wish that the poison spreads

[mighty belfry]

It does. Just only from the enemies you actually hit with the needle.

Which is the main thing keeping it from going into absolutely gigabusted territory by itself

[brittle sierra]

Me getting 30 stacks of poison in a wall of meat on havoc 40

[mighty belfry]

Which is why pickpocket is so ridiculous with it. You can just keep firing in a crowd and it propagates like mad

[muted pivot]

If you fire 6 blues into one dude

Do they explode with 6 stacks or 1?

I always try to spread mine out anyway just in case

[mighty belfry]

Only one

You have to spam the hell out of it to get actual horde clear out of it.

[muted pivot]

Threshold effect

I'm tempted to try the stub pistols on a rampage build, think they might work well with Rashad since it doesn't need help on crushers

[low harbor]

Boltpistol VI lethal prox + tox blinder

Which u can afford with Rashad because it can skip cleave talent

[tender marten]

i just do a practiced left-right sweep clicking seven times

i dont really care if i miss a couple or one guy eats two

bottomless ammo after all

[cosmic scroll]

what keybinds do people do for sliding? i dont find it very comfortable to do on space dodge and ctrl slide

[woeful hill]

I have dodge and crouch on spacebar

so I press spacebar when sprinting to slide

[zenith fern]

C key for me

That's the default

[cosmic scroll]

and double press to dodge slide?

[verbal dew]

I have it on the same key, trying out the better movement mod rn that's supposed to stop jumps while trying to dodge and some other stuff

[woeful hill]

I dont dodge slide

uhh, I dont think you can with that keybinds

[cosmic scroll]

im trying to find a way to get comfy dodge sliding

i think theres mods for it but trying to find an easy way without (if that exists)

[livid raven]

default inputs are good enough for it

[fast gust]

Nerf

or nothing

[cosmic scroll]

oh man better movement slide on double feels sooooo good though

[thorny ginkgo]

tac axe gets the job done

[novel oracle]

Youre banned from using taxe with that name

[thorny ginkgo]

But but

[brittle sierra]

Onlyrocks

[exotic temple]

Kids play it on the computer. I guess they have a farm going or something

[strange acorn]

if you cleave through several enemies, do you roll crit for each hit?

[bronze glade]

No it’s just one crit roll for the entire thing

[solar phoenix]

is chem toxin affected by rending or finesse? or both?

[bronze glade]

Rending but only a bit

[strange acorn]

taxe fraud

[solar phoenix]

do crits effect chem toxin at all?

[strange acorn]

I mean there's a skill that applies toxin on crit so there's that

[solar phoenix]

i mean how effective the poison is

but i figure likely not

[strange acorn]

right, I'm assuming you knew but just in case

[bronze glade]

No DOT crits

[brittle sierra]

No but weapons that apply dot apply more if you crit

[solar phoenix]

interesting

was wondering in connection to a blackout/pocket toxin build

but I suspect it's irrelevant

[exotic temple]

Yes I have kids they play Roblox I guess they don’t always shut it off. Accusing someone of being a pedo Is really shitty when you are talking out of your ass

[unreal stirrup]

man rampage change is actually crazy

[brittle sierra]

You hate Roblox because it's filled with pedos

I hate Roblox because the company makes money off of pedos

We are not the same

[mighty belfry]

I feel like this is a touchy subject.

And probably shouldn't be taken very lightly.

[brittle sierra]

Nah, I'll make it simple

PDFs get the lead in the skull

Nuff said

[mighty belfry]

Ofc. I mean throwing around the implication even jokingly.

It's just kinda tacky if I'll be real.

[brittle sierra]

I think it's pretty funny to kill PDFs

[verbal dew]

this moebian 21st in havoc makes the scum blender a bit more chunky @mighty belfry, still managed 1.4k kills on archivum without any psykers

[mighty belfry]

Moebian 21st ez clap

I've been trying skullcrusher instead of shred

I like it.

[verbal dew]

I think I only go from 40 to 50 avg crit chance with shred

[mighty belfry]

But I can clearly there's a difference in general performance

[verbal dew]

it is nice on single targets

[mighty belfry]

It is. But it's also weirdly inconsistent just cuz crits have so much value in particular for this class

I'd say it's good if you want a skullcrusher on your team but otherwise I just think shred is better if you already do have one.

[verbal dew]

it'd mostly be relevant for elites right?

[mighty belfry]

And bosses.

Especially bosses actually.

[verbal dew]

do they count as staggered from just hammerblow?

for skullcrusher that is

[mighty belfry]

They have to be in a state of stagger. Or, an arbitrator procs concussive on them

Hammerblow helps for sure though.

[verbal dew]

I'll give it a try tomorrow

[violet oar]

Hey guys silly question but I just brought hive scum do the stimm components stack or is it forced viscosity to get the big perk?

Also does chemical dependency work with the custom stimms?

[warm axle]

yeah and yeah

[mighty belfry]

The more you invest in a branch of the tree, the more benefits you stack from that branch.

Viscosity is basically how much investment you've put into your stimm

[violet oar]

Ahh got you wasn’t sure if it stacked cheers guys

Also another quick one I just put on gunslinger improved and it says it’s augmented version of gunslinger but I can’t find the standard gunslinger in the tree?

[brittle sierra]

That's the base ability of scum if you don't pick any ability

[violet oar]

What desperado ?

[brittle sierra]

Desperado is the left ability

[unreal stirrup]

did rashad got stealth buffed or shit because istg before update rashad cannot cleave more than 1 poxwalker without strength modifier

[lost ravine]

de-spera-do

[unreal stirrup]

not counting bm

[mighty belfry]

Oh fyi

Forge's is a complete must have if you go skullcrusher

Because you'll need a way to consistently stagger bosses

[verbal dew]

ye I'm still using forge so

[jaunty spire]

despacito

[warm axle]

hadnt thought about that but it totally makes sense.

does it not do the second burst with the removal of exhaust?

[bronze glade]

they fixed it

it does the 2nd shout now

despite removal of exhaustion

[zenith fern]

Don't worry they will soon make the shout upgrade be applied to base rampage

Make rampage even more brain easy to play

[bronze glade]

the scriers gaze of hive scum

[cosmic scroll]

took no less than 200 but i finally got one

[bronze glade]

200?

that's really bad luck

[cosmic scroll]

yeah ive had no issue finding any other weapon (since old forcesword power cycler grind)

[vapid jungle]

Those were such dark days

[cosmic scroll]

i sunk at least 500k plasteel into fishing for power cycler 4s and never hit before the rework

[sturdy linden]

Most toxic era

[sacred pilot]

i feel like I put Darktide down for just the right amount of time

came back to Arbites and a lovely wpn system of "buy greys until one is godroll" 🙂

[maiden pine]

is melee shiv pistol scum really hard to pla

[austere coyote]

you said 3 different things there

do you mean needle pistol?

[zenith fern]

Question is what pistol

Dual stubs? Needler?

[river skiff]

There's also revolver

[zenith fern]

Uhm that is not a pistol smh

[river skiff]

Huh?

[zenith fern]

I don't see any magazine for the revolver

[river skiff]

They are still handguns

Pretty sure they fall into the umbrella of the pistol

[sacred pilot]

This conversation reminds me of my buddy who gets triggered (heh) by people calling magazines "clips"

[mighty belfry]

i mean

magazines quite literally aren't clips

[sacred pilot]

The line between "correct" and insufferable pedant is a thin one.

[zenith fern]

Lol

[sacred pilot]

I am one of the first to bemoan colloquialisms breaking down the coherency of the English language, but some crimes are lesser.

[sacred pilot]

having to be missing sections of health to be strong is ... awful.

[zenith fern]

You don't need martyrdom to be able huge damage when zealot itself is already strong enough

Martyrdom just makes him stronger

But we know psyker is even stronger

[mighty belfry]

one of zealot's best builds is quite literally one of the tankiest builds in the entire game

bar none

[sacred pilot]

I shall have to look into thsi.

[zenith fern]

When the Mangus is fat

[sacred pilot]

cus I suuuck at the Zealot

[mighty belfry]

and it actually does good damage

[zenith fern]

@mighty belfry have you been having anymore unhinged Ogryns in havoc lately again

[mighty belfry]

I haven't played Havoc tonight

Finally did my 40

[zenith fern]

Ah gotcha

[sacred pilot]

isn't an unhinged ogryn the best kind?

[mighty belfry]

And ofc it was without an ogryn at all lmao

[mighty belfry]

not the ones i've been getting

[zenith fern]

I just thought as I have done H30 yesterday, bull and shield

My team did some crazy ass questionable decisions lmao

And more of half time ammo dump

[zenith fern]

Unhinged as being unable to use taunt correctly and crowd control

[maiden pine]

needler sorry wasnt clear earlier

[zenith fern]

Literally one of the strongest build conbo you can go for

Did wish the modifiers were tougher but somehow the red aura got my teammates screwed up the most lmao

[sacred pilot]

do you mind my asking which Zealot build was Tanky and did good dps?

[zenith fern]

Pretty sure they were talking about Fatmangus build

[sacred pilot]

oh. that was the name

Fatmangus is quite a word.

gus knows his stuff?

[flat mist]

The insufferable pedant is also more often than not misunderstanding or ignoring the register being used in a given context

[mighty belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82EpvAqXth0&pp=ygUJZmF0bWFuZ3Vz0gcJCaIKAYcqIYzv

[mighty belfry]

one of my most consistent setups for h40

this build's got some real thought put into it

[flat mist]

When discussing video games a clip definitionally is a magazine. When discussing the use of actual firearms or at a gun show, it is not.

[sacred pilot]

nice. I need something that can make Damnation easier for my friends and i

I tend to be the responsible one

so I want something I can clutch with.

[mighty belfry]

i'm fairly certain the only thing you can really die to with fatmangus in anything beyond auric is specialists if you know what you're doing

because it's just that ridiculously tanky

[sacred pilot]

I been Arby for the utility but as they've grown more responsible I've been playing other stuff

[sacred pilot]

hmm.

That video

def looks more like high lvl play than a high lvl build

as far as tankiness that is

that res speed though lol

ppl pop up in like 1.5s

[mental igloo]

revive speed on curios goated

[zenith fern]

Always has been good

But it has become greater since the buffs applied on ledged and rescue

[sacred pilot]

that's some serious speed

i'll have to spec into it

[mental igloo]

imo it wasn't til it applied to rescues + clutch being so important in havoc recovery

[sacred pilot]

normally run 5 tough, gunner res and either stam or abil

[mighty belfry]

it's high level play

[mental igloo]

on hscum you def don't need to run any stam recovery

[mighty belfry]

but with a very survivable build

[sacred pilot]

ya on scum it's abil

[mighty belfry]

i've

honestly grown to disagree with this a lil

because as it turns out

Hive City Brawler is an amazing talent.

[zenith fern]

as someone who used before all buffs seeing it made my day as ogryn player

[mighty belfry]

And stam regen actually helps keep the DR going a lot more

I don't think the class needs stamina curios at all tbh

but stamina regen

is actually really helpful

[mental igloo]

if it works for you cool, I still run two stam curios (no 3rd stam just b/c after a point stacking attack speed wears down my hands too much lol) and don't have issues maintaining stamina

[mighty belfry]

it's not maintaining stamina that's the key thing here

it's keeping it at or near 100% as much as possible to max out HCB's DR portion.

if you have stam curios, it's not as big of a deal

but i honestly just don't use stam curios on this class anymore

kinda hard to go back when i can accomplish goofy shit like this #hivescum-class message

or this #hivescum-class message

[mighty belfry]

i found a diamond in the rough

[zenith fern]

[mighty belfry]

i think he also got true survivor

[zenith fern]

Dude I was just soloing captain and plague ogryn low on health, plogryn does the slam stunning as the captain overhead me

Literally one second before my taunt was on again

[mighty belfry]

I honestly should try ogryn a lil more

[zenith fern]

Goes mental

Ignore my portuguese tongue

[mighty belfry]

I will not.

That is so unfortunate.

[unique spire]

Waow

Didn't knew Gears knew Portuguese

But is it the bad one or the good one

Only a true Portuguese will know

[main trellis]

Jajajaja language

[unique spire]

That's racist

[main trellis]

Portugal is a race?!

[unique spire]

Is used by people of race

[main trellis]

Also is that the dogo from total war? Or am i tripping?

[unique spire]

Monster Hunter World

Good game

[main trellis]

Oh…

[zenith fern]

not even this rat cant tell

[unique spire]

Just tell me already dude

You just said 3 lines and murmured

[zenith fern]

Portugal

[unique spire]

The bad one then

[fringe perch]

Doggogaron

||its odogaron||

[compact oyster]

odogaron

[main trellis]

From now on you shall be remembered as
Jajajajaja boi

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205

[lost ravine]

i like the ebony odogaron set

very stylish

[fringe perch]

Its been likr 7 8 years i dont remember how it looks

[lost ravine]

i mean wilds

[fringe perch]

Dont play, doesnt spark joy to me

[austere coyote]

um in wilds it's actually the Guardian Ebony Odogaron

[reef portal]

is hyper-critical good?

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

usually a must-take on builds unless youre going full melee

it has a few bugs with on-kill blessings and wont stack with hyperviolence

[reef portal]

i’m going with melee build though

[tranquil fjord]

well it depends on a melee build

if you can upkeep hyperviolence and rampage you don't really need it imo

although hyper crit can help, it can also make gaining hyperviolence harder from kills

this also depends on the weapon

shivs are nice on a melee build with both hyper crit and hyperviolence, although i dont feel i need hypercrit if i have hyperviolence

also,

can you regularly one shot chaff and lower health enemies enough without the hypercrit to build enough damage

because hypercrit kills dont give hyperviolence damage

[main trellis]

Especially on full melee wdym

[main trellis]

The only weapon that does not work well with HC is crowbar cause it ain’t a crit weapon… and Hsword to a degree too
Rest are crit weapons…
And thats only looking at crit dmg & finesse of those weapons

[rotund agate]

even rashad, which doesn't really need hypercrits (aside from instakilling trash mobs with the PA ime)?

[main trellis]

Rashad is a crit weapon to a degree; some crit dmg values are better than others vs certain hp types

The main issues are 2;
Ammount of dmg done per attack
Attack spd

If you have good att spd but low dmg (like shivs or knife) and is a crit weapon you win cause more attacks = more crits = more chances to instakill everything that ain’t a boss/ogryn

Crowbar for example ain’t really that fast nor is a crit weapon and its att dmg is a mixed bag (cause lights do little dmg; crowbar is more of a push att into heavies type of a weapon vs mixed)

[rotund agate]

insert Patrick from Spongebob voice here is chaxe a crit weapon?

[main trellis]

No; forgot about those

Chainsword is a crit weapon tho

But loses badly vs cara

[reef portal]

oh so they don’t stack to each other? makes sense

[rotund agate]

so hypercrits would do nothing on the mk4 chaxe's light attacks?

[main trellis]

Its not like it will do nothing; its more like ‚it will do less than you would think’
Also revs just delete singles as is so why bother

It would be purely for chaf

But then again… why you wanna make chaf easier? Ain’t no threat

Especially on rampage

You get soo much power from the ability you delete stuff

[rotund agate]

sometimes I spam lights at a mauler and he doesn't die quickly (I would spam revs if the mauler would be completely alone, which is mostly impossible)

[main trellis]

Learn timings; its not hard - once you observe the enemy & understand the slot system you will be able to rev in the middle of a horde & not get punished ever

Also abuse terrain to your advantage & your stagger options

[reef portal]

for shivs melee build should i go with anarchist or ruffian?

[tranquil fjord]

i dont like hypercrit because i like to use light attacks to whittle down mobs so i can get more hyper violence damage where otherwise hypercrit would just kill that enemy anyways without giving me overkill

[tranquil fjord]

outlaw feels somewhat like bardin from vt2

whilst anarchist reminds me of a borderlands psycho

its the same high pitched shrill into death metal voice

while also saying batshit things

https://youtu.be/U0r8yv8EdNk?si=Uxzj8yMnAeikcFrb

you can hear all of their ability lines here

[rotund agate]

I always go ruffian aura for melee builds personally, but as I don't use shivs on melee builds idk if that still would be a good idea...

maybe use ruffian first, and then try anarchist if you feel like you lack enough crits...?

[blissful yew]

Bits and pieces EVERYWHERE!!

[calm aurora]

WHAT

ah fuck it's a message from 2 months ago

[brittle sierra]

Btw does speed load blessing work on needle poison kills?

[verbal dew]

besides like pickpocket

there's very little that needler interacts with on dot kills

[muted pivot]

Sample collector is main synergy

[astral canyon]

Kmity

[zealous ravine]

dark twisted THING

[muted pivot]

Does shivs 1 rampage scum need the cleave talents in middle bottom tree?

I'm going chem dependency for a change so I need more points freed up

do they help at all?

[lost ravine]

imo not really

but i also don't havoc

so take from that what you will

chemdep sounds like a good keystone but i keep forgetting to take my meds

[muted pivot]

I wanna try critmaxxing harder on it

I was doing adren before

but the finesse scaling on shivs is so crazy I wanna push it harder

[lost ravine]

adrenaline feels smooth

[muted pivot]

just to see what happens

I know, I do love adrenaline on shivs

I've played a bunch of it, just looking for a change now since I've got a heavy sword adrenaline build going too

[lost ravine]

chemdep riposte float like a butterfly

free(?) 60% crit

plus whatever base crit

[muted pivot]

yeah I want a point for float too

if I drop both the cleave talents I get it

fuck it, let's just send it and see how it works

[mighty belfry]

If this is rampage, you really don't need them

[muted pivot]

good good

almost queued in then realised I still have flesh tearer on the shivs from experimenting earlier

they can gtfo lol

[marble seal]

Ft ain’t that bad

Free boss damage

[lost ravine]

flesh tearer is aight

[bronze glade]

It’s not great on shivs

[verbal dew]

there's a great cooldown mod for them

it does a popup when it's ready as well as a countdown

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

I've tried double dot on scum, bleed just does very little

[zenith fern]

The all time peak mod that FS cant be bothered to make the scum stimm more visible on vanilla game

[verbal dew]

yeah coupled with this it's nice and purple https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/265

or maybe that's another mod that makes it purple

[mighty belfry]

Ourple 😡

[verbal dew]

no it's that, it was just updated very shortly after scum and not since

forgot it was 3 months ago it came out

and then there's what's in the box to show what effects a stimmed crate has

[muted pivot]

yeah I think with the total critmax build you really want riposte precog

[mighty belfry]

Riposte precog best for finesse/critmax

[muted pivot]

65% bonus crit after a dodge, plus like 15% base right?

[mighty belfry]

22.5% base from shiv innate and class base crit

5% from crit chance node on bottom left

[muted pivot]

factored the 5 in

[mighty belfry]

40% on dodge

And if Chem, extra 15% on top

[muted pivot]

20 if 4 stacks

[verbal dew]

does anyone like running the 4 stack one

idt I've ever did

[muted pivot]

I'm doing it, it's just more stats

I'm using a shorter stimm and it works

[bronze glade]

It’s bad

[mighty belfry]

I don't think it's worth it for a point.

[bronze glade]

Really reduces your flexibility

[muted pivot]

5% more crit and 5% more tdr

[bronze glade]

Costs 1 point

Negligible gain

[verbal dew]

I mean I have like 90% 3 stack uptime in havoc games

idt I'd want that much lower

not that I have a point to spare either

[bronze glade]

It’s not just an uptime issue

It greatly reduces flexibility in when to pop the stimm

And also imposes limits on how you build your stimm

[muted pivot]

I think if you do a single-branch stimm you can spam it without much worry

[bronze glade]

And costs a point

[muted pivot]

with sample collector

[bronze glade]

And for what

Negligible crit and tdr

[muted pivot]

5% crit, 5% tdr and 10% cdr

[bronze glade]

Yeah pennies

[muted pivot]

put together that isn't negliable imo

[mighty belfry]

I wouldn't call it negligible

More that the actual benefits

[muted pivot]

Also if you go stimm box it's trivial to maintain even with a double leg stimm

[bronze glade]

It’s negligible and the cost is way too high

[mighty belfry]

Do not line with the cost

[bronze glade]

A good crit node for example is conditional 20 percent crit

[muted pivot]

it increases the effect of the keystone by 1/3

after you had already spent 3 points on it

[bronze glade]

This is conditional 5 percent crit and with some other meaningless cherries on top

[muted pivot]

I don't see it as not being worth it at all

[bronze glade]

You do you

[mighty belfry]

Ye. For an extra talent point and extra awkwardness to using a stimm

I just don't think it's worth it.

But preferences are preferences.

[muted pivot]

it's as good of a deal as however many other points you put into chem dependency are. I feel like if I didn't want to all-in it, I'd just go adrenaline anyway

[verbal dew]

I've yet to run the 1 point crate build

[muted pivot]

but I'm the weirdo who likes adrenaline too lol

[verbal dew]

but I've also not played goo havoc yet

[muted pivot]

I like the maximum buff crate too much

[verbal dew]

max buff crate is nice

just kill stuff faster

[bronze glade]

You spent one talent point for 15 percent crit. To get another 5 percent you need to spend another talent point in addition to other oppressive costs

Yeah sorry I’m never thirsting that hard for five percent more crit

[verbal dew]

ogryn does :^)

[mighty belfry]

Plus I would never be able to figure out what I'd even trade for that talent

[lost ravine]

i know and i have it

but i still forget to take my meds

[mighty belfry]

Oh about this

Run pocket blinders

Extremely powerful with skullcrusher

[rotund agate]

adrenaline with crate? or adrenaline in general?

I use adrenaline on almost all rampage builds, the exception being cha(d)xe, which I use chem dep with because I feel chem dep generally helps with that more reliably than smiter adrenaline... (smiter adrenaline with chaxe is harder to proc-spam than with rashad or non-revving swords ime...)

[muted pivot]

I used to use adrenaline for it but looking at the finesse on shivs I feel like not leaning into that is a mistake

same with tac axe

[mighty belfry]

Chem dep will prompt better results ya

Finesse multiplier is crazy on shivs

I personally have been running that with combat knife too

Somehow even crazier

[lost ravine]

adrenaline funni though

[mighty belfry]

Because you'll just one shot a crusher out of nowhere sometimes because you build up so much overkill from crits

You can do that with shivs

But. It feels way more explosive with knife

[verbal dew]

even without the tox talent?

[mighty belfry]

Nah use tox talent

Trade off sweet spot

Trust

Played my 40 yesterday and got a True Survivor run with it

[verbal dew]

just this or is the extra blitz worth it

[mighty belfry]

I used the extra blitz

Cuz when you have your sword out, if anything you hit gets any degree of stagger and takes any damage, skullcrusher procs

So virtually, against appropriate targets, your toxin is doing nearly double damage anyway.

[verbal dew]

fair

[livid raven]

it's hard to beat an extra rocket

[mighty belfry]

It's not rockets tho

[livid raven]

is this the blackouts

[verbal dew]

I might build another dclaw

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[verbal dew]

and have two whole separate sets

[mighty belfry]

Skullcrusher dclaw makes pocket toxin blackouts crazy powerful

I've been wanting to step away from rockets cuz honestly I'm just kinda bored of them

[verbal dew]

yeah they're prone to be wasted

I think I use them on bosses more than armor hordes

[cosmic scroll]

for just horde clear am i better off with uncanny/riposte on shivs or bleed/something?

since anything big i wip out the needler anyway

i seem to have mostly over 50% crit in combat so im guessing 8 stacks of bleed every other hit will do some work

[bronze glade]

FT is kinda eh on shivs

[muted pivot]

I really like riposte precog tbh

it has such a sick scaling with finesse shit

and precog activates at the same time as riposte and that dodge talent

you can get some really consistent monstrous crits going

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think i prefer this to having uncanny

[muted pivot]

shivs honestly don't need it

great carapace ratio anyway

[limber cradle]

I agree+I'm running tox crits as is

The crusher gone die either way

[cosmic scroll]

hows that feel? been ,meaning to try it

wasnt sure if 1 stack per crit was enough to mean anything

[muted pivot]

I've not tried it for similar reasons

I think it's mostly to feed sample collector

but I'm anticipating my shivs 1-shotting most things they hit

so idk if they even feed it like that

[limber cradle]

You swing like a blender

And you can hit 80-100 percent crit reasonably easy iirc

[cosmic scroll]

sure but how many enemies get hit more than twice in that blender?

[limber cradle]

The ones that matter

Crushers and bosses

[limber cradle]

Aye

[cosmic scroll]

i guess its nice on bosses to keep stacks up instead of swapping back to needle

[limber cradle]

I do not run needler fwiw

Boring weapon

Also dislike the lack of instant feedback

[cosmic scroll]

i like my witherhorde analog

even if its kinda meh to actually use

[lost ravine]

needler is effective

but stub pistols are infinitely cooler

[rotund agate]

I use needler only if either one of the following is true:

1. I am using a melee build and cannot afford to take Like The Wind but still want to avoid getting hit by gunfire while sprinting at gunners.
2. my chosen melee struggles against monsters

[lost ravine]

valid

[rotund agate]

based and true.

if only I could figure out how to make stub pistols work as a ranged option for my melee build... (I only use full-auto guns on ranged builds).

I use flak and reload speed perks with Run&Gun and a crit blessing, because I dislike the 2 sec duration of the Speedload blessing being over by the time I actually reload...

[limber cradle]

slide my boy

wtf is a gunner

[limber cradle]

style>substance

[limber cradle]

i run falkiacs with run and gun and uhhh, im blanking on the name but 20 percent more damage on shots 2-4

[lost ravine]

"needle pistol oneshots all specials" idc stub pistol go spin

sniper head go doink

this makes happy chemical

[limber cradle]

they also stagger the living shit out of things which is pretty cool

[lost ravine]

the humble 1911 made it to 40k

it's just that good

[rotund agate]

not enough stagger to trigger Pinning Fire, so idc about Collateral...

[limber cradle]

sometimes its nice control

[tranquil fjord]

are there any mods which change the sounds of weapons

the dual stubbers sound a little too

small

[limber cradle]

idk i play the game vanilla to have as objective an opinion to give to people as i can

[lost ravine]

in my objective opinion melee scum is hilarious

[limber cradle]

melee scum is both good and fun

and good enough to where i can run .45s secondary without feeling bad about it

[zealous ravine]

in my extra objective opinion hive scum doesnt do enough drugs

[mighty belfry]

My propaganda spreads once more

[limber cradle]

i just do not notice a ttk difference in a proper game tbh

between riposte/uncanny and riposte/precog

against big fat targets

[mighty belfry]

I mean there's precog and uncanny

But let's be real

[limber cradle]

i do notice precog one shotting more man sized targets tho

[mighty belfry]

Crit sound effects activate the brain chemicals

[limber cradle]

i hated executor tho fwiw

[limber cradle]

it reminds me of max level garlic in vampire survivors

[mighty belfry]

Yeah executor gets weird in mixed hordes

Primarily because not every unit is the same height

Which really throws off executor.

[limber cradle]

agreed

[verbal dew]

man

[mighty belfry]

That being said

[verbal dew]

I love when first two ppl leave when we all got down on h40

[mighty belfry]

I was trying riposte precog with knife

[verbal dew]

bot revives the other two

and now when we both got downed later, the host left

leaving me

[mighty belfry]

The burst damage from crits is actually crazy even compared to shivs

[verbal dew]

rezzed by a bot

and now I can't start another new havoc mission

I think it fixed itself now, but fs man

[mighty belfry]

Happened to me the other day

When I actually finished a havoc too

Well not finished

We lost but

We didn't dc

But the game thought I was still ongoing even if we went through the screen and all

[verbal dew]

ye the host started a new lobby after and got another scum as well

[mighty belfry]

Oh to explain this. Push attack, light light. The hyperviolence build up gets bonkers doing this in hordes

[verbal dew]

now they're even lying to me

[strange acorn]

what's the base stamina?

[novel oracle]

This is for scum

Don't forget that weapons also have a base stamina, which gets added onto this

Shivs are 1, crowbar is 3 for example

[verbal dew]

I think I'm digging skullcrusher blinders, archivum 21st final toll

[mighty belfry]

Oh

There was one thing I didn't mention

Run lethal prox bistol

[verbal dew]

right

what are you running on it, execution?

[mighty belfry]

Nah. Just puncture

Because you're mostly gonna have your sword out while using the blinders

Since you always have the radius bonus

[verbal dew]

ye

gonna miss stripped down

[strange acorn]

ssoo with swift endurance and a crowbar you're already starting at 12%+ attack speed huh

[novel oracle]

Yes

[zealous ravine]

doing fent gives you strong lungs

[novel oracle]

You can also check how many stacks you have and you can infer the stamina of a weapon from there

Also bear in mind
Its not max stamina, its current, so at low stamina youll have barely any

[strange acorn]

I mean it's either that or unload and for a mostly melee build with needler might as well grab swift endurance 🤷

or gag ammo jack

[pseudo venture]

quick question: is it just me or do hicescumm not get curios from melks limited acquisition

[tranquil berry]

it's just you

[river burrow]

For the heavy sword build, is there a reason mark 7 is used over 9? Or just personal preference?

[river burrow]

He can be like that for all operatives. I’ve gone to check on him a few times with others and never seem to find curios

[bronze glade]

mostly preference

though ig 7's a bit easier if you want to do the hyperviolence crusher shredding memes

[river burrow]

Really? Because of its vertical slash or horizontal?

As in heavy slashes

I only ask cause I would think 9’s overhead slash would be similar to 7

[bronze glade]

one of the single target heavies is an uppercut that's diagonal enough to cut through a poxxer nearby into a crusher

yeah the overhead slashes are the same

[sturdy linden]

is the director particularly evil tonight

istg I've never seen spawns this nasty

[river burrow]

For real, I had a couple matches and it was just non stop specials and hordes. Like it never ends. And hordes are like high concentration of scab ragers and maulers for some reason!

[sturdy linden]

I just had a normal histg auric with close to 700 elites and specials

like hello

sir

[exotic temple]

Histg is nutty tonight

[river burrow]

That’s what I was playing as well. Won a match at archivum sycorax with a psyker, arbiter and ogryn, but it was a fucking gong show