hivescum-class

[livid raven]

i mean, it already gives 5% toughness/s

that's already nuncio aquila

[flat mist]

Also 42.975 toughness per weakspot crit from precision violence is objectively hilarious

[sturdy linden]

Nunci Aquila

[brittle sierra]

Nunya

[flat mist]

125×1.91×0.12×1.5 if my math is right

Err precision violence. I love insomnia

[iron patrol]

khornate berserker levels of durability

[flat mist]

You can also abuse Calling For A Time Out's interaction with darktide's weapon swap times and staged reloads for 59.68% damage reduction

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/bKwdWe

I love finding stupid shit like this, even if its impractical

Look at my buff bar. Im proccing calling for a timeout by weapon swapping inbetween attacking with the shiv

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah it's been a very underrated talent

[manic wolf]

Not really, Scum scales with density a lot better than Vet, Zealot or non-Rumbler Ogryn do

Hyperviolence... well.. kinda exists

[zenith pagoda]

Problem is in h40 - they never stop coming

[flat mist]

I think six meant scum performs worse at lower difficulties, maybe because of lower density or lower skilled players eating dirt constantly on scum

[neat delta]

We shouldnt even balance around that bruh

High havoc is just bullshit

[flat mist]

Thank god fatshark has learnt their lesson and has stopped buffing class damage every second patch

Sign my petition to buff scriers again

[upbeat gyro]

With 2 hivescums it could be nice, covering both bases

Aurics kinda powercreeped at this point, needs some new difficulty level, like add the extra boss spawns and other spawns too there

So you can have your pseudo Havoc gameplay with QP

Without stress of defeats

[near relic]

Both, really. But that is what I meant, yes. A ton of balance decisions are based on telemetry that we will never have access to. Weapon and talent pickrates, kills of each type per weapon and class, time spent down, etc.

I can't say for certain how Fatshark adjusts it, but I imagine they can sort the data based on class, difficulty, etc.

And so they probably have at least a few devs, probably as a part of their work rather than the whole of it, analyzing this data to make balance changes

If 90% of the playerbase plays on H20 or below, to use a random number, it would be silly to balance for H40

This isn't a competitive game like Counterstrike or DotA

No one is making a living playing it

So high-level balance is secondary to keeping the majority of the playerbase happy

[bronze glade]

You know it’s bad when I can’t play fun builds because they just trivialize the game

[near mauve]

do u guys just run into super cracked people in every auric lobby or what

90% of my lobbies have at least two dead weights

nvm i've probably asked this question 10x times

[near relic]

And if that telemetry is showing that certain talents or classes are underused or result in worse than baseline performance, things get changed. Today's patch, to me, reads as Scum underperforming for a majority of the playerbase, so they're trying to bring it to baseline. While in H40, these buffs will empower an already strong class (for <5% of the playerbase)

[flat mist]

Yeah i think the larger powercreep in auric is actually how goated we all are

[near relic]

Tbh I would imagine no more than 1-3% of players touch H40 regularly

[near mauve]

auric is ez if there's 4 good players and can be spicy if there's deadwights, solution? play duos

[near relic]

I did an Auric after a particularly strenuous H40. 2 of my teammates also had True Survivor badges. The last guy spent all game apologizing and praising us for such a smooth run.

[astral canyon]

The solution is to actually barrel all 3 teammates and play solo by never reviving

[flat mist]

Classes have gotten way stronger but your average player, the centre 20% of the bell curve (not 20% of the playerbase, like 80% or whatever it is) id imagine is sonewhere around damnation

[near mauve]

i know im gonna fall asleep if i see many people with havoc titles in aurics

but also a lot of true survivors/havoc forged insta ragequit after getting trapped

[near relic]

I play goofy builds in Auric. In this case it was Assail + Shriek Voidstrike. :D

[flat mist]

Thats why i run the mod that gives projection lines for players getting hit by barrels

[livid raven]

Nothing make me cower in fear except havoc titles in aurics

[flat mist]

(I wish that actually existed)

[near mauve]

i feel like u have to gimp yourself to make a bad psyker build for aurics

every build just melts everything lmao

[near relic]

Voidstrike struggles in Auric on Scab seeds

[flat mist]

Just run illisi

[near relic]

Since the HP buff

[livid raven]

Voidstrike struggles

[flat mist]

cowers from noob psyker hate

[near mauve]

which one is voidstrike again

the flippy one?

[livid raven]

the bowling ball one

[near mauve]

where u make people people do flips

[livid raven]

you know, the bad one

[flat mist]

Corpse parkour

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/wii-wii-sports-wii-bowling-bowling-bowling-strike-gif-24891879

This is what i use to remember which is which

[unreal osprey]

are we deadass 🥀

why on earth was it like that in the first place

[near relic]

Because Fatshark.

[near relic]

Voidstrike is my favorite to play. I just can't reasonably use it in Havoc.

[rose flax]

I feel like, the patch notes are misleading, they mention, that dodge windows for nimble is now a flat bonus instead of multiplicative, but they then state that, it's for dodge speed
So which is it?
Unless they mean "dodge windows" as the length of the dodge and not how long you count as dodging

[reef portal]

is hive scum worth buying?

[lavish bronze]

that depends on you

how many hours you have in game

[reef portal]

200

[lavish bronze]

fatshark and theyre terminology

[verbal dew]

are you used to squishy ones like psyker?

[lavish bronze]

if you played psyker and zealot fair bit you will have fun

[verbal dew]

scum can be in that range at times

[reef portal]

yeah i cab play zealot well i admit

[verbal dew]

it's a dodge, block, push char

[lavish bronze]

you mean dodge and give everything lead poisoning?

[rose flax]

So, it's talking about dodge speed only then?(If it's dodge duration, then it becomes 0.40 seconds instead of 0.375, interesting)

I also wonder if "cheap shots" is actually strength or just a label

[lavish bronze]

while having inf ammo

[verbal dew]

yeah it's the one I prefer at least

[reef portal]

i saw it using dual daggers or something like that which is a weapon i really loved for Shade in Vermintide

[verbal dew]

yeah dual shivs are good

[lavish bronze]

shivs are fun

[verbal dew]

the other unique melees not so much

to be generous

[reef portal]

yeah i like fast chars too tbh go yolo all over the places is kinda fun

[verbal dew]

yeah it has long and fast dodges

[lavish bronze]

That not hive scum

You are fast sure

But not durable

[rose flax]

Very similar, but much slower, and does have a awkward delay between light 1 and 2, so you can't do that easily while block canceling no matter the attack speed, pushes cost normal stamina but are very strong compared, Has less inmate crit chance than combat knife(12.5% instead of 15%), has same innate block cost as combat blade I believe, uses more stamina while Sprinting than combat blade though, not too much

The mark 3 shivs don't have that awkward delay and attack faster, but it's heavy combo for armor DMG specifically is similar to sword and dagger(push attack+ heavy)

[reef portal]

i see

thanks for the information

[rose flax]

Swift endurance and adrenaline though can increase your attack speed pretty well, without including rampage and your stim

Biggest issue with hive scum is dealing with ranged enemies, it's very hard to die in melee, but ranged enemies will drop you especially if you're used to Zealot

[verbal dew]

discounting the ability that makes you immune to ranged

not that I think ranged is a problem overall for scum

[rose flax]

Oh, fat shark

Knew strength was just a label

Oh, so I was wrong, they meant time counted as dodging, but incorrectly labeled it as speed in patch notes
Nice

So hive scum can dodge ranged longer than default tracking broken from dodge

[river skiff]

Does dmg matter at all with the needle pistol?

[woeful hill]

Not really

The damage stat only affects the impact damage of the needle not the dot

[river skiff]

So I can use it as a dump stat then

[woeful hill]

If you want yeah

Needler can honestly dump any stat

[river skiff]

I already dumped speed with my melee I want 80 at least with one weapon

[reef portal]

yeah the havoc’s gunners are absolute wack

[river skiff]

Any dif between mark 2 and 6?

[upbeat gyro]

Voidstrike was my first staff i liked back in 2023

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1451035789776523264/image.png?ex=698c8fa3&is=698b3e23&hm=bdd4c21712456e94449e8f4c1b9d47901ffc1b0d38883c88fa38506c8173a1f6&

Check pins

Mk2 is aoe, mk6 is single

[river skiff]

What can mk6 reliably kill in one shot?

[woeful hill]

Idk, I don't needle pistol

[river skiff]

Np

Thank you anyway

[river skiff]

Stacking more AOE does not make much sense to me I do not have problems with clearing hordes that said if mk6 is kinda useless at single target dmg then AOE sounds better

[zenith fern]

the power creep is getting stronger every day

[woeful hill]

Interesting

That's really the only danger zone for my solo

[mighty belfry]

i mean

[woeful hill]

Losing stam and needed to block/push

[mighty belfry]

scrier's gaze exists

[zenith fern]

i dont see it lasting forever

at least they changed this for the better lol

He won people

[bronze glade]

It’s really incredible how with every patch I just continue to lose interest in the game

[livid raven]

hivescum is still shit

[lavish bronze]

like i get a 2 week phase every big update

maybe more

[livid raven]

please buff desperado multiple times

[lavish bronze]

it seems fatshark makes increasingly more stupid decisions balance wise

[gray rampart]

I hear after 2 more years of rashad + IAG they're making the game good again

[lavish bronze]

i just returned to playing ogryn and arbitrator

[zenith fern]

Dude the exhaustion removal is just sad

I just tried and is so damn easy with no punishment to use rampage now

[bronze glade]

Yeah fatshart pussied out

The exhaustion wasn’t even bad lol

For such a strong ability

[zenith fern]

Yeah

You require to know when position yourself when rampage about to run out

[bronze glade]

Yup

[gray rampart]

at most I'd have made the shout base kit since the shout on end just like, negated the exhaust for the most part

[bronze glade]

God forbid players need to think a little bit ahead of time

[gray rampart]

or like, spend the one point lol

rampage definitely wasn't why hive scum was struggling

[zenith fern]

I really like of an ability Darktide having a trade off and scum rampage was such a good idea

And they just removed it because people are bad at the videogame

[gray rampart]

ime the issues with hive scum are toughness sustain vs range, not rampage having exhaust

[supple torrent]

I wanted to like rampage exhaustion but the stamina hit felt awful.

[gray rampart]

like idk maybe I'm just used to crutching on infinite toughness on vet and 90% TDR on zealot but like, idk

[supple torrent]

Sad they removed the resistance debugf though.

[zenith fern]

High risk, high reward they said as advertised

[mighty belfry]

I think the stamina debuffs needed to be looked at.

I don't think the downside needed to be axed entirely.

[lavish bronze]

it needed to stay as it was

it was fine

[supple torrent]

I've always felt losing your DR. Dodge regen and AS buffs that scaled with stamina in the midst of a fight was too much.

[brittle sierra]

High risk if I fall asleep

[gray rampart]

I think that's a bit more symptomatic of having exactly 1 DR talent

[plucky nymph]

thank god they buffed the needle pistol to work with talents

It most definitely certainly needed help xdddddddddddddddd

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lewd-cat-dumb-gif-7213020066017231983

[plucky nymph]

only 3m dmg in non healing modifier game. Should be 4 imo thx for reload buff

[supple torrent]

Who the hell is running vultures mark needle pistol.

[plucky nymph]

does it actually buff the DoT cause iirc the only “range dmg” thing that works is in your face?

How do I use cleaver do you just run att speed crit and left click stack toxin to win?

[woeful hill]

It's called swap off saw and use Dclaw parry only

(idk never used saw)

[winter tusk]

what are the different modes for needle pistol good for

do they do more damage to different enemy types

[brittle sierra]

Memememmememeeme

[woeful hill]

Check pins

[zenith fern]

Little risk

The buffed scum is little risk, high reward

[supple torrent]

Fatshark spending half their dev time trying g to get every talent to work with needle pistol

[plucky nymph]

Was hoping toxin would count for close range kills to refresh blackout nade

[jagged latch]

Bubble psyker makes tank hive scum unkillable

[jagged latch]

Talents are still bugged rn so maybe

[north crow]

what is a tank hive scum tho

never heard of such a thing

[zenith fern]

probably stimm crate or rampage while in bubble

[jagged latch]

The “tank” stimm option

[zenith fern]

Oh

[north crow]

ah

yea replenish is a good stat

[zenith fern]

Left top branch got buffed too

[north crow]

yea seen

[zenith fern]

So might be worth using more

[north crow]

replenish is strong

[mighty belfry]

Actually considering adding some left top to my stimm for rampage now lol

[north crow]

it works with every outside source too

shout

chorus

bubble regen

toughness / kill

it works on everything

replenish is strong

[livid raven]

i'm almost convinced they always meant to use toughness replenishment there but thought toughness regeneration was the same thing

[jagged latch]

Yeah if you run tank and regen bubble pops you can actually tank an entire pox

[brittle sierra]

Should I actually take replenishment? 💀

Idk scum is soo strong ig I can take anything

[north crow]

scum is a DLC class

they had to make it OP

they missed the mark on launch

fixed now

[supple torrent]

Yeah but I only.stack AS and strength.

[jagged latch]

Replenishment buff effectively increased total gains by all nodes combined of like 180% toughness

[jagged latch]

They lowkey just decided “give give scum 4% less op stats than psyker and also make tox even more meta”

[supple torrent]

I don't think it's good but 10 stack chem grenade explosion seems odd.

[jagged latch]

Compensation buff

[supple torrent]

I'm glad cheap shots got buffed.

[supple torrent]

But it didnt get nerfed?

Unless I missed something

[jagged latch]

Tox gernades lost 5 seconds of duration

[supple torrent]

Oh right.

[jagged latch]

Unload being buffed was lowkey insane

[river skiff]

Kinda mid still

[jagged latch]

It’s good for certain weapons

Like combat axe n stuff

[supple torrent]

I'll take anything that helps cbar

And I wish they did more with stagger on scum

[jagged latch]

Melee regan build

Idk they always think ppl are going to run stagger perks

[supple torrent]

TiL ligt stagger exists.

[river skiff]

Not enough points to invest into it

There are better perks for melee

[sturdy linden]

What even is this...

[jagged latch]

Day 0 toughness buff

[supple torrent]

I'm pretty sure long lasting doesn't work with crate

[zenith fern]

this is funny

[jagged latch]

It’s literally just to run with a psyker w/bubble walk

Very was “is the 10% toughness r actually good or not”

[zenith fern]

[jagged latch]

It’s fun kinda “debuff then tank everything” more than is this actually good

[upbeat gyro]

Even noob like me who abuses everything OP thinks that rampage downside removal was lame

I mean, sure helps my gameplay, but i feel it dumbs it also down some

Feels more earned when there is more nuance to it than just press F to win

[jagged latch]

Downtime on hive scum melee was kinda bad tho

[zenith fern]

Next they gonna make the shout upgrade be added to base rampage

[upbeat gyro]

Sure, but completely removing it was overkill, just tune it down some

[mighty belfry]

I think the downside needed some touching up but just axing it altogether is admittedly a little much

[sturdy linden]

Calling it "downtime" is a stretch

[zenith fern]

Maybe like 50% stamina removal or something

[livid raven]

i think running out of rampage should give you a cold, in real life

[mighty belfry]

Or no stamina dump but the regen debuff stays.

[zenith fern]

maybe even kill you

[mighty belfry]

Or hell even a duration decrease to like

4s would also do something.

[upbeat gyro]

Maybe shaky hands for few seconds and character shouting nonsense

[jagged latch]

I think if it can proc whenever yeah it needs duration decrease

[zenith fern]

Borderlands 2 Krieg ability type shit

[jagged latch]

Make hive overheat

[zenith fern]

Self damage

[jagged latch]

Octane…

[upbeat gyro]

Never played Borderlands, but i assume thats something similar

[zenith fern]

Pretty much rampage but will deal self damage overtime

[zinc mirage]

my favorite borderlands character, I based my hive scum character appearance on him

[zenith fern]

stop hitting yourself with the axe krieg

[jagged latch]

It would be cool if hive scum got some sort of blood letting ability

[zinc mirage]

imagine being able to overstim and turn into something like a mutant and go on melee rampage

grow double the size

like ogryn

[jagged latch]

Twink to bear stim

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[fierce aurora]

I want to use MK XII chain axe with thunderous blessing, but should I take slaughterer or headtaker

[zenith fern]

Headtaker

[fierce aurora]

Thx, Gears

[brittle sierra]

Best scum curios GO

[mighty belfry]

One health two toughness

[north crow]

why would you need thunderous

[brittle sierra]

Wrong

[mighty belfry]

This class don't need stamina, especially now.

[north crow]

never have

6% AS doesn't make a lick of a diff

[jagged latch]

I maybe run block efficiency if I’m going full melee otherwise the usual curios

CDR + resist + corruption res

[thick adder]

Okay so I play rampage hive scum (when I do play hive scum)

Seeing the rampage buff scares me considering how powerful the class already is

[north crow]

DLC class gotta sell bro

[livid raven]

don't worry, they are going to nerf it like arbites soon

[north crow]

rampage buffs were completely unneeded

[thick adder]

I know, but legit legit Ogryn needs more buffs. That's the class that's struggling the most

[north crow]

yea, poor nerfed arbi

you rarely run into one anymore

[mighty belfry]

Downside just needed some tuning at most. Not to be just, gone altogether.

[jagged latch]

Likely going to be an update soon because of next event

[thick adder]

I see them extremely often wtf you talking about?

Although yes they do need to be rebuffed

[north crow]

😄

[thick adder]

Hopefully

[livid raven]

they should make the mines 30s cooldown

[jagged latch]

Arby literally went nuts without dog

Nerfed the shit out of being able to run no dog

[north crow]

it's called being sarcastic

[thick adder]

Dog is more fun than no dog tbf

[north crow]

arbi is easily the best class in the game

[livid raven]

the nefarious psyker:

[jagged latch]

I had a instant res arby one game hard clutch

[north crow]

average player dies on psyker

[thick adder]

One of the best

Hive scum is dependant, since we are still figuring out power levels, but Psyker is the best

[livid raven]

so hivescum is the worst class by that logic, yes?

[jagged latch]

Ogyrn…

[thick adder]

Top players or people who lock in outclass everything with psyker

[livid raven]

i agree

buff hivescum

[north crow]

as far as the median goes, it probably is

can only explain the insane rampage buffs with

[livid raven]

millions must pickpocket

[jagged latch]

Honestly just change pocket change and hive scum would be fine

[livid raven]

yeah it's not carrying hard enough

buff it

[mighty belfry]

Eh, rampage admittedly might be a little much with the buff but at the same time

[jagged latch]

Needle pistol doesn’t do enough

[mighty belfry]

There's already been an ability like it that's had no downsides for quite some time

[thick adder]

Ogryn needs buffs man. They need to actually feel like a presence that can outtank and protect their team while not being outclassed by arbi

I think they need stun immunity as an option or a default with it being buffable to last longer or happen more often. Specials shouldn't be able to ruin an Ogryn's day

[jagged latch]

Ogyrn needs more options

[thick adder]

That too

[jagged latch]

They have a total of 2 builds that actually work

[livid raven]

what if the shield's special increased aggro by like 200%

[thick adder]

Too little options, too slow and weak without being able to tank

[livid raven]

they gotta do something about the shield

[jagged latch]

They’ve gotta make Aggro passive as well (as base) I feel

Like disrupt destiny

Such a cooldown muncher

[hollow leaf]

Do youse guys generally prefer dual autos or dual stubs for a ranged build? I keep switching back and forth because I like em both lol

[livid raven]

neither

[zenith fern]

autos is commonly used

[livid raven]

dual stubs for sure not tho

[zenith fern]

But vraks is more funny

[thick adder]

Aggro being passive in general means they will have to buff toughness and allow him stun immunity.

I want to rock the shit out of a plague Ogryn charging me if I can't counter or dodge it or out damage it

Not get stunned with some shitty outdated animation and thrown aside

[sturdy linden]

Need to solve baseline problems first. It's 2026. Ogryn doesn't need the worst stamina management, worst weapon swap speed, worst dodge speed, worst dodge distance, and zero dodge linger. A few? Maybe. All of that shit? Fuck no.

[jagged latch]

Rock is such a funny ability

[thick adder]

EXACTLY

[livid raven]

i don't think ogryn has the worst stamina does he

[thick adder]

(And rock needs better Regen too lmfao)

[thick adder]

Yes unless 🛡️

[jagged latch]

Not enough rocks

[sturdy linden]

Absolutely does

Not even close

[jagged latch]

He does

[sturdy linden]

Just has a high stamina pool, the recovery is complete ass

[jagged latch]

If you run out of stam you can’t regen fast enough to push a pox

[livid raven]

psyker has the worst stamina

[hollow leaf]

Dual autos seem to have better DPS and with good reload speed they're monstrous, but I feel like several perks (especially sticky hands) are necessary to make em shine

[sturdy linden]

And efficiency is piss

[thick adder]

The biggest class being weak at everything including what his main purpose was 😭

[thick adder]

Uh no, coming from a Psyker main

[jagged latch]

Psyker has warp ghost

[zenith fern]

my big issue is lack of stagger

[jagged latch]

Literally free +2 stam

[sturdy linden]

What. You can literally spam pushes on Psyker regularly and stay at full because the recovery is that good.

[thick adder]

You don't even need stamina as Psyker half the time because you can absolutely dominate games just by blitz or staff alone

[livid raven]

even with warp ghost, he still has worse stamina

[jagged latch]

Maybe amount but regen hard carries that

[hollow leaf]

With the autos?

[livid raven]

ogryn regens it faster

[zenith fern]

yes

[livid raven]

he only has a 0.5 worse delay

[thick adder]

Nah he's actually good

Arbitrator has the best stamina no contest. I have managed to play a full tank build that blocks entire horded of crushers

[livid raven]

but regens it 50% as fast

[zenith fern]

Autos are good for sustained fire

[hollow leaf]

I do like how with stubs I can literally push back bursters with each shot

[livid raven]

hivescum has the best stamina

and it's not even a contest

[hollow leaf]

I play a lot of both arb and scum and I agree scum has better stamina

[jagged latch]

I mean that should be given

[thick adder]

I'm aware. Arbitrator is up there though.

Hive scum kidna needs it for obvious reasons (being his low toughness and health)

[sturdy linden]

A 400lb slab of muscle having worse stamina than a crackhead is an insane take from FS

[livid raven]

arbitrator is not much better than ogryn in stamina

[thick adder]

Fr

[thick adder]

Again, blocked hordes of crushers with shields

[jagged latch]

A 400lb SUPER SOLDIER infact

[thick adder]

And demonhosts in fact

[livid raven]

good for you man, i'm literally reading the stats

[thick adder]

Ye fair

[livid raven]

i think i remember vet also having rather bad stamina

[hollow leaf]

Scum certainly does have a lot of good things to make up for her low toughness and health, she's a true glass cannon and I love how they implemented it

[jagged latch]

Demons hosts kinda eh now

[livid raven]

actually yeah vet might be the worst at that

[jagged latch]

The fact you can guard most of her attacks

I don’t even think she guard breaks below havoc anymore

[hollow leaf]

As arb I've solo'd hordes of crushers, bulwarks, maulers, even daemonhosts, especially with a shield you're basically god

I don't like comparing any class with arb because arb is just kinda broken in every way lol

[zenith fern]

Cannon*

After this hotfix

[hollow leaf]

Yeah I just read the notes, so many buffs

I always felt the exhaustion after rampage was kinda nonsensical

[zenith fern]

And also the rending while above 50% duration on rampage

Actual not any brain thoughts

So have 25% rending for free while active all time

[upbeat gyro]

Rending only for heavy hits right though?

[hollow leaf]

You're a junkie, just run around and destroy shit and go brrrrrr

Basically rampage playstyle

[calm aurora]

Vet is worse but i run 24 stam regen

This is psyker vs vet

[hollow leaf]

Also Hive Scum may have low toughness and health but she has lots of ways to regain it so it kinda evens out

[livid raven]

not really many ways

quite worse than other classes at generating it imo

[hollow leaf]

Still having toughness replenishment on stim and ability activation is good especially when you run a build where you basically always have one or the other active

Hive Scum is more about avoiding damage than tanking it or regaining it anyway

You're meant to be dodging and sliding a lot so you don't get hit so much

[ancient basin]

ride the line of toughness regen in combat to cover the odd attack that leaks through, similar to psyker

still have to read through all the changes but changing from toughness regen to replenishment is huge

no exhaust eating good, I can use my stim for something that isnt covering my down time

[bronze glade]

Rampage buff was stupid

What’s next

[hollow leaf]

No wonder I like the class so much coming from being a psyker main

[bronze glade]

Desperado buff?

[livid raven]

vulture has some unimplemented cool stuff

[bronze glade]

This class is basically hood psyker

[livid raven]

adrenaline too to be fair

[bronze glade]

So not surprised psyker players like it

[livid raven]

like, vulture has a commented out line about every close ranged shot being a crit at full vulture stacks

[ancient basin]

psyker main, and hive scum was just a slightly harder version of my normal play style

weaker damage output, less flexible, and fragile like tissue, but still similar

love my attack speed though

light spam goes brrrr

[livid raven]

i was an arbties main but the nerfs to him and how easy i find hivescum made me switch

[mystic rain]

whats the best stimm for melee scum?

[jagged latch]

Strength stims

[hollow leaf]

I go for barrage and strength

[jagged latch]

I’m still cheesing at the fact you can eat a pox buster w/bubble

[hollow leaf]

I've been trying to make a ranged build with the needle pistol

I usually only like needle pistol as a supplement for my melee build but I wanna see if I can make it work in a ranged build

[bronze glade]

HIV can be tanky af if you want it to be

[hollow leaf]

Also can we get better swings for the bone saw pls ;-;

[ancient basin]

Hive works, and I find them fun, but psyker is on that strong buff juice right now and hive didnt get any tweaks after its release to compensate for poor release balance

it didnt need huge buffs, just tweaks like what we are getting now

[hollow leaf]

The only thing I want from hive scum rn is a better skin on thursday

I have cool skins for my psyker and my arb, I just need one for hive scum now

[calm aurora]

I miss exhaustion 🙁

[hollow leaf]

I didn't really vibe with the current skin in the shop, seems like a generic biker

[livid raven]

if you buy the first skin, you kinda show yourself to be a basic bitch so it's good you avoided it

then again

[hollow leaf]

Also my wife plays ogryn and now rock is an inside joke between us 😆

[livid raven]

it's maybe also the only skin you'll get for hivescum

[calm aurora]

Not gonna happen

[jagged latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brick-meme-break-explode-gif-13868715770986833670

[hollow leaf]

So far all I got for hive scum was the scratch and snick shivs and the reaper mask

[livid raven]

do the penances and get the metal dome

[hollow leaf]

I mean from the paid cosmetics

[calm aurora]

Penance cosmetics for HVS are actually very nice

Like far better than other classes imho

[hollow leaf]

Yea most of my cosmetics are from the penances

[hollow leaf]

Idk I liked psyker and zealot's cosmetics

They had some cool penances

[dire badge]

This is all the cosmetics you'll need on hivescum

[hollow leaf]

That For The Emperor penance cosmetic for the zealot is really dope

[hollow leaf]

Which penances are those from?

Looks badass

For the base classes I tend to think the free cosmetics are better than most of the paid ones lol

But so far I've really disliked the hive scum's cosmetics

[dire badge]

Yeah you're homeless no matter what you put on so I leaned into it. I'm FentChoppa now.

[dire badge]

Can't remember exactly it was two of the ability ones I believe

[wet arrow]

Why has the Hivescum class been buffed?

I thought it was quite strong already

[latent belfry]

The wider public must have thought otherwise

Or fatsharks data analysts

[ancient basin]

its bringing up the skill floor and smoothing out the toughness perks

[latent belfry]

Did they really remove the exhaustion from rampage

[ancient basin]

yep

[latent belfry]

Dam

[ancient basin]

going to go super saiyan now

[latent belfry]

Kinda thought that was cool but whatever

Ig I'll put dependency on my melee build

[ancient basin]

dont even need to save stim for after rampage, just pop all the buffs and go ham

[latent belfry]

And go nuts

[mystic rain]

can i get one comaxe without 60 pen

[wet arrow]

Actually one questione

Between the three main melee weapons for this class, which is the best one?

[hollow leaf]

Dependency is my fav path

[wet arrow]

I'm currently using the knives

[hollow leaf]

You mean the melee weapons?

[wet arrow]

Yeah I corrected it

[hollow leaf]

Shivs are prolly the best followed by crowbar

[flat mist]

To be fair half the buffs are to talents like cheap shots, unload and toughness stims that had weird mechanics (unload) or were just plain bad (cheap shots and toughness stim)

[wet arrow]

I fear the crowbar is mainly good for single targets?

[flat mist]

Rampage buffs are a bit questionable

[ancient basin]

the stab knives are very strong, bonesaw is a bit wonky but workable, crowbar is also wonky but requires much more try hard to make amazing. bone saw feels off because of the rip moves, crowbar wants you to use power attacks, and both of them have power sword tier dodge profiles (aka terrible, ponderous, and slow. Good luck dodging anything)

[flat mist]

Completely removing the rampage exhaustion is way overkill, they shouldve just lightened or removed the stam regen debuff imo

[wet arrow]

I agree it's a little weird

[livid raven]

crowbar is a failed jack of all

[uncut falcon]

Its a shame cause flavor wise its a fun match for the class but I haven't found a way to make it work / feel good to use

[hollow leaf]

Blunt side is decent for hordes, sharp side is good for single target

[mystic rain]

damn needlegun doesn't destroy crushers but id does do a nice job

[astral canyon]

Shivs by a long shot

[ancient basin]

infinite ammo hip fire spam into crushers from needle gun is amazing long term

with room to kite any situation is recoverable

[mystic rain]

whats the best blessings for fent gun?

[bronze glade]

Crowbar is a joke

[brittle sierra]

Oxy and Benzos

[bronze glade]

This is correct

[brittle sierra]

Ur a joke

[bronze glade]

Shivs >>>>>> saw > crowbar

[bronze glade]

No u

[astral canyon]

Run n gun and stripped down or whatever the ranged immunity while running blessing is

[ancient basin]

run and gun + stripped down yeah

damage, crit, and reload dont really apply to fent gun at all

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-just-kidding-checkmate-liberal-checkmate-liberals-gif-5913342555620609909

[brittle sierra]

Crit increases the amount of toxin

Reload is nice too since it has such a small clip

[flat mist]

Yeah it should only take 2-3 shots instead of 5 to kill a crusher. Having to invest most of a clip on a quick firing, quick reloading, infinite ammo ranged weapon is just asking too much

/s

[brittle sierra]

The only blessing that really matters is run and gun because it has such a slow aim snap speed

[mystic rain]

i got rpg for large groups, but if its one or two or a goddamn sniper im not using an rpg

[flat mist]

Needle pistol should definitely be compared to a non-regening blitz that is one of the most powerful in the game, yes

[mystic rain]

also magazine not clip

[mystic rain]

it has a similar niche in my build at killing crushers and i think it does need less reserve ammo

[ancient basin]

even just reducing the overall hp of a crusher pack applies a massive gain from your team too, as crushers should be the #1 target of most teams

[brittle sierra]

I've tried doing reload builds with needle and it was funny

[zealous ravine]

would be funny if one of the devs was a massive shivs fan

[flat mist]

Extra damage for it now they've made unload not delete itself over and over

[bronze glade]

I would believe it. And one of the devs is a massive psyker fan

[zealous ravine]

the biggest psyker fan

seers beloved works at fatshark even

[zenith pagoda]

I love saws design and it's uniqueness but relying on DoT on melee is just flawed

[bronze glade]

And the moveset is trash sadly

[zealous ravine]

i cant help but feel like bonesaw is just some cursed weapon

probably came from the warp

[mystic rain]

ANOTHER 60 PEN COMAXE STOP I HAVE 5

[brittle sierra]

Desperado or crate for reload I can't decide 😭

[mental trellis]

You could just make your own

[mystic rain]

make my own what

[mental trellis]

Axe

[mystic rain]

im not forging an axe dawg

[zealous ravine]

why not

[mystic rain]

money

i cant buy metal

or a forge

[zealous ravine]

atoman economy has fallen

[mystic rain]

trillions must die

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/ol7yGypmcZA.gif

[mystic rain]

im doing cartel favors for that 50,000 dockets and idk if that will be enough to rig against my horrid luck

[hollow leaf]

You say crowbar is a joke yet you put the saw above it?

[bronze glade]

I know it’s hard to accept but it’s true

Crowbar is like shovel

If shovel didn’t get all its op blessings

[livid raven]

and you had to do a shitty mode switch to access your single target/horde options

[bronze glade]

Yeah

Shovel has better latching tbh

[livid raven]

also doesn't it even have worse cleave

[bronze glade]

At least mk3

[zinc mirage]

infantry autogun has become my favorite gun on hivescum

[livid raven]

oh and the heavies are slow as shit

[bronze glade]

Saw is also bad but at least it has great synergies with sample collector

That alone is quite good

[livid raven]

bros could have just added the shovel to the hs at that point

[mighty belfry]

Saw is better solely because of toxin

[bronze glade]

If be ok with that if falch was buffed

[hollow leaf]

I agree crowbar could be a lot better but the saw just isn't very good imo, it's slow, has horrible attacks, not great base dmg, relies entirely on its chem toxin which helps a lot especially if you build for it but I don't see how that puts it above the crowbar, if anything they're equal I'd say, good for different things

[bronze glade]

Saw sucks too yes

[livid raven]

nobody is saying the saw is good

[bronze glade]

But saw has tox

[zealous ravine]

clearly the class with a billion attack speed bonuses needed attacks that dont scale properly with AS

[mighty belfry]

Which says more about the toxin than the actual weapon.

[livid raven]

just having toxin puts it far above the crowbar tho

[zealous ravine]

entire special where the latch attacks dont scale with AS properly

[hollow leaf]

I ran a full chem toxin build with saw and that was when I saw it really start to click, but otherwise I just prefer shivs

[zealous ravine]

shivs just do everything extremely well

[mighty belfry]

I mean

Shivs are legit like

At least Scum's best all rounder weapon

And edges as best melee weapon if not for choices like tac axe and rashad

[bronze glade]

Shivs are so strong they don’t feel like a HIV exclusive melee

[zealous ravine]

shivs make hive scum actually play like a crackhead

[livid raven]

it seems like two entirely different teams made the crowbar/saw and the shivs

the former two look like the devs were under gunpoint to not make a strong weapon

[zealous ravine]

i'd rather them have buffed crowbar/bonesaw instead of rampage

i dont think the shivs need to be better

[hollow leaf]

I use shivs over axes just because I'm not a big fan of axes and I like using class specific weapons

[zealous ravine]

yeah i never use the axes in this gam

[hollow leaf]

If they ever put a mechanicus class in the game and give it an omnissian axe I'll play the fuck outta that tho

[zealous ravine]

any 2h axe would be peak tho

[astral canyon]

Any 2h melee

[livid raven]

we need a 2h chainaxe and a 2h sledgehammer

[hollow leaf]

On psyker I almost exclusively use force greatsword lol

[zealous ravine]

its true

[pallid sapphire]

Combat axe feels awful

[livid raven]

it does

[zealous ravine]

force greatsword is like the 1 thing psyker has that i like

[hollow leaf]

Sometimes I use the regular force sword too but force greatsword is my baby

[bronze glade]

Need attack speed. Rashad is the strongest HIV weapon for a reason.

[hollow leaf]

On arb I typically use shield and maul but sometimes I go for arbites maul when I'm using the shield and shotpistol

[jaunty coral]

trying a pretty standard rampage + adrenaline build for heavy sword.
What do you reccomend my stimm is? Just cooldown, pop it after rampage, and get rampage back up is the best?

or should i consider a rending stimm or something

[untold sonnet]

best melee to farm heavy attack cartel special penance? would it be combat blade or mk3 shiv?

[hollow leaf]

Sometimes I use crowbar just to feel like Gordon Freeman but the shivs always pull me back

[low harbor]

heavy sword

[untold sonnet]

ah hmm. i realize i havent actually tried out the melees besides 3 so i should be experimenting anyway

[untold sonnet]

ill do this last then

[astral canyon]

I used mk4 chaxe

[untold sonnet]

gotcha. thanks yall

[mystic rain]

one teammate with a brain PLEASE

[hollow leaf]

What's the better mark for shivs usually?

[mystic rain]

1 game of cartel special cause people stand still for no reason

[livid raven]

mk1 is easier to use

mk3 has better horde clear (don't use the heavies) but has to use pushblock for single target

[hollow leaf]

You will get teammates who rush forward by themselves and play like they're solo and instantly use all the resources on themselves and you will like it

[mystic rain]

im unironically losing it i swear to god

[reef spoke]

You get used to it

I expect 6+ deaths per match with randoms

So far the record is 11 deaths with a 3 man team

[mystic rain]

nah cause everyone dies and missions failed

[hollow leaf]

I always play with my wife so it's always at least a 2 stack team

Sometimes our teammates are so bad we switch to private matches for a while lol

[reef spoke]

Such is the fate of quickplay

[neat delta]

actual poopy

[reef spoke]

At this point, I expect to be solo carrying missions

[neat delta]

solo'ing is fun

when everyone is dead, you have less mistakes

and less enemies

theres less spawns when ur the last person left

[hollow leaf]

I swear sometimes it doesn't feel like it though

[reef spoke]

Unless you play Havoc, every down and death temporarily lowers spawns

But that doesn't stop existing spawns

[neat delta]

yeah you need to deal with what already spawned as well

[hollow leaf]

We usually play maelstroms and havoc

Sometimes we go on damnation

[sinful matrix]

It's because you're taking the full brunt of every horde

[reef spoke]

Havoc is the only exception to that rule

[sinful matrix]

So like 50 poxwalkers, 30 gunners of mixed elite/standard variety, 4 bulwarks and a couple crushers is normal

it's NOT normal that you're tanking all of them at once

[reef spoke]

It wouldn't be so bad if bots were better

I still do solo Deep Dives in DRG because I trust Bosco more than a lvl 600 player

[hollow leaf]

We usually play public matches but we often go a while before anyone joins

[sinful matrix]

Last time I played DRG I apologized to a random for being so drunk I was seeing triples, he laughed in VC and I left

[hollow leaf]

I've been wanting to get into DRG

Haven't had the chance to buy it yet tho

[sinful matrix]

It's fun

But man is the grind kinda ass these days

[reef spoke]

DRG hasn't changed much at least

[sinful matrix]

Same problem as Helldivers 2, if you haven't kept up since release, all the shit you can do just keeps stacking up and stacking up

[reef spoke]

Good game, annoying community

[sinful matrix]

Community for DRG isn't too bad

All the randoms I played with were super friendly and helpful

[reef spoke]

Always have to be "polite" in DRG instead of telling them their build is bad

[sinful matrix]

If you're going to build cop in a pve game, you probably deserve whatever vitriol is heading your way

That's my take anyway

[reef spoke]

Gameplay-wise my main issue is that mods aren't really controlled

[hollow leaf]

I've been wanting Helldivers 2 as well

That one's more expensive tho

[reef spoke]

So you could join a lobby and see 50 bulk detonators

[sinful matrix]

It's not an MMO where someone having a shit build or not knowing mechanics wastes 4 hours of 39 other people

Its. . . DRG.

Shit takes like 40 minutes at the absolute worst to do a set of missions

[reef spoke]

No I can solo in DRG hazard 5

The issue is I can't critic the game

Say something negative and you're gone

[hollow leaf]

Why not just say it directly

[reef spoke]

Because you get banned

[sinful matrix]

Depends on what you want.

Helldivers 2 is 100% spectacle shooter

DRG is a much more methodical process for doing missions(While still being pretty chaotic on the higher difficulties)

[hollow leaf]

When I see how they react to the concept of female dwarves, yeah I can tell

[reef spoke]

I can in confidence critic Darktide. I can't critic DRG

[sinful matrix]

The best female dwarf is a female dwarf that I can't tell apart from a male

[reef spoke]

But that's just the community

[low harbor]

drg is pretty easy to solo carry, unless u roll bad RNG in haz5+

[reef spoke]

DRG itself is good and fun

Not challenging like Helldivers or Havoc Darktide though

[hollow leaf]

I'd only play DRG with my wife and maybe friends

[sinful matrix]

I wouldn't even call Helldivers challenging tbh

If you can move backwards and shoot

[reef spoke]

Just the new season added a new enemy that I hate lol

[sinful matrix]

it's the easiest game on the planet

Just CoD Zombies tactics

Kite forever

[reef spoke]

WHY is the grounded snatching asshole High armor

[sinful matrix]

should've brought your railgun pistol

[reef spoke]

Eh I usually like bot and squid fronts

[low harbor]

and u can pretty easily tank people's framerates in drg

[hollow leaf]

Helldivers 2 looks fun

I'm just waiting for a good sale

[sinful matrix]

Squids still feel like bugs to me

just with an enemy that flies added on top

[sturdy linden]

that gave me vertigo

[sinful matrix]

(I'm aware bugs have two flying enemies, but they're not ranged like quids)

[hollow leaf]

Your WHAT

Okay I want this game now

[reef spoke]

They're just so bulky :c but that's probably just my loadout. I haven't really bothered to learn how to counter the squids

[sinful matrix]

I think it's called a coilgun or something in DRG?

[low harbor]

it's on sale rn on steam

[sinful matrix]

On the heavy gunner class IIRC

Lets you shoot through walls and stuff

[reef spoke]

You can get a railgun pistol that burrows through walls

[low harbor]

he's actually not that hard to kill, u do need to kit for burst dps tho

[reef spoke]

Be aware it does NOT 1-tap things

[low harbor]

EM refire stubby with ROF mod can burst it down super fast

[sinful matrix]

It can with an overclock and 40 meters of wall

But definitely not for a new person, no

[low harbor]

coilgun is great crowd kill with hellfire

[reef spoke]

It's the armor that annoys me because I typically don't have good armor pen guns like the Autocannon

[sinful matrix]

God I love the autocannon

[low harbor]

u can hit the weakspot in the middle

that's how I kill it with stubby

[reef spoke]

Ah ok

[hollow leaf]

I saw, not a good enough sale for me, $21 instead of $28 is bad

[reef spoke]

I haven't learned their weaknesses yet so that's good to know c:

[low harbor]

any gun with 300+ dps or super high burst dmg can kill it fast

[hollow leaf]

I'm waiting for at least 45% off

[low harbor]

the issue is that they're sometimes hard to spot

heightened senses stocks so high rn

also BC can 2 shot them

[reef spoke]

Same, I use Big Bertha for the real "autocannon" experience

[sinful matrix]

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/deep-rock-galactic

There ya go

its 9 bucks on humble bundle

[reef spoke]

Indeed :c Vampire and Iron Will is too good

I'm so spoiled by it

[low harbor]

I haven't ran iron will in forever

lol

[sinful matrix]

isthereanydeal is so pog

[reef spoke]

I find it has the best value as Vampire lets you lifesteal to negate the penalty

Though I typically expect to solo carry missions

[low harbor]

some perks in drg rly should be baked in

resupplier and born ready

[reef spoke]

Agreed

Perks in DRG are surprisingly bland

[low harbor]

because I actually wanna run unstoppable on almost all classes

it's so good

[sinful matrix]

Do you think Kazuka is going to buy DRG from humble bundle

Or did I waste my time

[low harbor]

but it's not vampire/resupplier/born ready tier good

[reef spoke]

I just suggest shit to people

95% of suggestions are typically ignored

[sinful matrix]

Fair

[reef spoke]

Just do it anyways

[sinful matrix]

Figured I'd try

[reef spoke]

Lol yeah it's just a lot of "this perk is just way better"

[sinful matrix]

I do like that DRG just lets you grind for shit forever though

[hollow leaf]

Oh I'm subbed to humble classic so that's perfect

[sinful matrix]

Overclocks, whatever seasonal content, blablabla

[reef spoke]

Like the bug taming is cool but not good

[sinful matrix]

Unfortunately there's like 600 overclocks now

so that's a pain in the dick

[hollow leaf]

Holy shit that's actually great

Thanks!

[low harbor]

beastmaster and berserker could be way better if CD were massively reduced

esp berserker

I honestly think berserker should be like a 30s CD

[reef spoke]

Overclocks are fun IF you get the fun ones still RNG

I have every Engineer overclock, I have never played Engineer

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, I tend to ignore any build advice around OCs because I only have like 30-40 of them or something

[low harbor]

u can save edit to skip a lot of the tedious grind (and jump directly into the endgame cosmetic grind)

[sinful matrix]

Perk points and weapon choice matter way more

[reef spoke]

Yeah especially because a lot of the best perks don't have a cooldown to begin with

[low harbor]

if berserker was 30s CD I'd consider running it over dash

[sinful matrix]

No problem buddy. And always remember, MUSHROOM

[reef spoke]

Ah I haven't looked into that. Good to know c:

[low harbor]

dm

[reef spoke]

My gunner is lvl 400ish and no Neurotoxin Payload lmao

[drifting heron]

Good

[reef spoke]

Oh and no Hellfire for Coilgun

[sinful matrix]

Gotta do your weekly deep dives

Those are weekly right? It's been a minute

[hollow leaf]

Buying it rn

We're gonna pretend like our dwarves are trans

Like us

[sinful matrix]

\[T]/

[reef spoke]

The rewards are

But you can throw yourself into as many Deep Dives as needed

[hollow leaf]

I already know which class I'll be

Engineer

Mrrp

[sinful matrix]

Satchel Charge has a big AOE

it will also kill dwarves

you have been warned

[reef spoke]

Just be aware that there's a new event active at the moment so you're going to running into a bunch of new enemies that may or may not be fun to deal with

I fucking hated Stingwings

[low harbor]

word of warning
engineer's starting kit SUCKS but he is the best class after u unlock everything (takes very substantial grind if u don't save edit)

[compact oyster]

we love the lok and breach cutter\

[reef spoke]

Agreed

[low harbor]

I don't use them much

[sinful matrix]

I wish cheat engine worked on Space Marine 2, speaking of

How I skipped all of the grind in World War Z after doing EVERYTHING on one class

[reef spoke]

Loki and Breacher Cutter brings Engi to "I can solo missions" in my observations

[sinful matrix]

Repetitive task grinding that Saber uses to pad gameplay hours is so fucking shit

Especially new weapons. "Ah yes, I want do literally 0 damage with my new gun because its innefficient to grind on anything but ruthless" (Please don't go into absolute with level 0 weapons)

[low harbor]

VIR shard brings engi to "I am destroyer of worlds"

spawn camp every grunt horde

max kills

[reef spoke]

Oh I haven't seen that combo. To be frank I have exclusively used Gunner and Scout

[low harbor]

think
flamer sticky fuel
but attached to a gun with minimal recoil, infinite range, and actually good single target dps
and doesn't take away any of the above

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

run any single target dps primary (CO warthog, EM refire stubby, Executioner LOK) and u get urself an extremely flexible & versatile engi

[reef spoke]

Engi is funny like that

I find they are often the top kills in missions (and top resupply hogs)

[low harbor]

most engi secondary can do a lot of dmg but also dump ammo super fast

VIR shard does the former but not the latter

[reef spoke]

Indeed, that's been a problem with my friend who mains engi lol

But we play Hazard 5+ with increased spawns

So it's expected

He uses Breach Cutter with the spiny blade thing

Iirc that OC dumpsters ammo :c

[low harbor]

there was a game I played with @woeful hill and @echo plaza on haz5 with +2 spawn and it was legit like h40 difficulty because game spawned like 7 different events in 1 cave

[woeful hill]

Ran out of nitra and ammo at the end

It was before they reduced scarab spawns

[low harbor]

1.8k combined kills

[reef spoke]

"Tyrant shard" funnily enough I have seen the Tyrant boss like twice?

[low harbor]

in a drg game

[reef spoke]

You know it's a rough match when the gunner goes down lol

I love shields

[low harbor]

Shield actually single biggest contribution gunner brings to a team

[reef spoke]

Lol yeah it's my favorite utility across the classes

[jaunty coral]

I enjoyed this game but the high end just wasn’t quite as fun to play as darktide with its more simplistic point and shoot combat. But it
Is a great game

Scout was my favorite

[reef spoke]

yeah I had a lot of fun. I only stopped because I kept getting burned by RNG

"omg there's this cool and fun build using this overclock" -> never gets overclock

[mystic rain]

FINALLY 60 mobility comaxe

[low harbor]

It’s not a complex enough game to grind continuously but it is a great game to go back to every 6 months or so

[jaunty coral]

Ya agreed

[charred bronze]

Arc Raiders stole my attention, so I haven't been playing much DT lately, but I'm astounded that they adjusted Hive Scum without nerfing pickpocket or desperado

I just had to scream into the void about that a little bit.

[bronze glade]

Can’t nerf the psyker playstyle

[manic wolf]

Many of us are shocked by it

[light phoenix]

Did Hive Scum just get a BUFF??

[bronze glade]

lol yeah

[light phoenix]

Is it just me or is new Rampage now feeling sorta basic?

I liked the risk reward aspect of losing stamina at the end

[bronze glade]

It’s a dumb change

Gosh forbid players be required to plan ahead a little bit

[modest patio]

I can’t read, can someone tell me how we are looking after the balance?

[arctic imp]

It looks good my dude. Technically they didn’t really change anything CRAZY, and the change to rampage means the ability is less risky/punishing to use if you were having trouble with that before

[drifting heron]

They made the rending node way better

Heavy sword stays winning

[bronze glade]

stupidly strong ability gets even stronger

the only way they could've fucked up balance even more was by buffing picpocket/desperado

[mighty belfry]

Debuff needed adjustment. Not to be gone.

[hardy canyon]

also I genuine cannot remember, which was the correct needle pistol again?

[jagged latch]

They did

Shadow buff but buffed unload to work with pickpocket

[mighty belfry]

For something that was inevitably going to run out, the stamina debuffs were a little brutal. But all they had to do was ease up a bit on the stamina loss/regen debuff

[bronze glade]

even that i think was fine

[hardy canyon]

generally, stronger and much easier to play for more casual players
they improved a lot of wording on some descriptions to clarify what they did

[mighty belfry]

Nah there was some jank I couldn't ignore with it. Because it's sometimes hard to tell when it's gonna run out and immediately losing your momentum out of nowhere caused some understandable gripes.

[jagged latch]

Hive scum tank stimm tree lets you eat pox busters if bubble psyker breaks on you now so idk

[hardy canyon]

while I do get why they removed it, and there are some pretty damn good arguments for removing
I personally think they should've instead gone the route of like "if you dont extend the duration long enough, then you get hit with the debuff"

[bronze glade]

the sfx gives a pretty clear indictation, even if you don't look at the buff bar

[hardy canyon]

but uh, yah I'll re-ask this
I dont really use it but I need to start the mastery grind

[bronze glade]

not really, the ability was already super powerful

but they decided to buff it instead of... oh, i don't know, buff stimm crate instead??

[hardy canyon]

yes, but not very fun on the casual players end
I think this change felt very directed towards the casual audience that struggles more with it

[bronze glade]

it feels like they're balancing for gaming journalists

it's not that hard to understand the concept that you should play it safe if you're about to run out

instead of just full sending even when the ult is immediately about to end

god forbid there be any consequences

[hardy canyon]

its a very minor change, not really
like, its stronger in the hands of new players. New players just trying to play with randoms heresy arent gonna get screwed over by the guy on adderal showing up mid rampage, killing everything small, and ditching like a coward when a crusher shows up

[bronze glade]

it's a pretty big change since the power level of rampage was entirely justified by the exhaustion period

now that's just gone entirely

ok fatshart

and the new player should probably read the description more carefully, and understand the very very very basic concept of retreating when necessary

[hardy canyon]

I mean I agree, its definitly a little overtuned now
but its not by that much, especially for the casual audience. Im very certain thats who they balance around

[bronze glade]

yeah balancing around "casual" players is why the game's balance is a joke atm

[hardy canyon]

no, you can balance around casual players and still have a well balanced game
you just need to make good balancing changes

[bronze glade]

lol let's not ask too much of this company

[hardy canyon]

no, im not
these are fairly basic things
from my general expirence, they're not too bad at this
not the greatest
but not bad, definitly not even close to the worst

[bronze glade]

given their track record, you're definitely asking the impossible of fatshart

[hardy canyon]

but as I said, I think they should have gone in the direction of rampage instead giving a punishment only if you dont extend the duration long enough. Limiting you some, but only when you pop it at really shitty times too early before a horde shows up or the like

[bronze glade]

waiter waiter, a dozen more buffs for gunker please

[manic wolf]

That would mean the people that can already cope with the debuff would be uneffected by it, and the casual player would be overly punished

[latent belfry]

I feel like what made scum so memorable at the start was the balancing of cooldowns

[manic wolf]

Like it should have just stayed as is

[latent belfry]

Well and the skill check

But like

You were always meant to dip in and out of combat

Now you don't have to

[manic wolf]

"meant to", but in practice that was never really a thing

[latent belfry]

It's irrelevant now in either case

[bronze glade]

yeah it really isn't asking too much of people to keep tabs on ONE thing instead of yoloing

but fatshart disagrees

[hardy canyon]

It would require a lot of tweaking so it isnt too little but iisnt too high
But I think its a bit more fair with how it looks like they want to change it

And I do still think it was wrong to completely remove it

[hardy canyon]

No
They dont work for ubisoft, they have a chance at making good changes

[bronze glade]

well this is the company that allows psyker to stay in its current state

so i'm not surprised that they always fuck up balance decisions

[manic wolf]

I mean yeah.. Sirosky is right tbh

Its been a never-ending chain of powercreep for quite some time now

[bronze glade]

can't wait for auric crushers to go up to 8000 hp because players have become too powerful (again)

[manic wolf]

Lule

[mystic rain]

Should i run adreneline or chem dependancy for the melee build?

[bronze glade]

either works

[manic wolf]

User's choice

[latent belfry]

So if there's no more exhaustion, scum doesn't need to have the second shout once rampage ends, right?

Right?

[manic wolf]

I mean, I never took Forge's Bellow anyway

[mystic rain]

So adreneline it is

None of the addons for it look very good

[latent belfry]

It's kinda weird

Very versatile

[mystic rain]

But the stat buffs really help the comaxe, very much with speed

[manic wolf]

You only need two Adrenaline sub-nodes; Stacks on kill, and Duration

You can take toughness too if you have the points free, but those two result in it effectively always being on

[bronze glade]

smiter is good

[mystic rain]

That does look good, i kill like every swing anyway

[bronze glade]

yeah if you're running rashad, stacking without smiter is quite slow

[mystic rain]

What other nodes are like, nessesary for melee scum?

[bronze glade]

hyperv, hypercrit

battering strikes if you don't have brumentum on your weapon

[manic wolf]

Hypercrit is kinda pointless with Rashad

[mystic rain]

Whats hyperv?

[manic wolf]

Its whatever for TacAxe, can take it or leave it, but its best for Shivs

Hyperviolence

[mystic rain]

Ok i saw the description, but it makes no sense to me

[bronze glade]

#hivescum-class message

rashad hypercrit still worth

based on path's testing

hypercrit's effective against ragers and maulers

which are the most dangerous human elites

[manic wolf]

25% of your overkill damage is added to your next attack, it can stack infinitely provided you can keep dealing more overkill damage on each kill, its rather trivial to upkeep

[manic wolf]

HV generally lets you kill them very quickly regardless in my experience

Not to say HC is bad, because its not, its just not required an its whatever if you wanna take something else

a 5% increase, being generous as he states in the postings is'nt a big enough margin to justify it all the time

[mystic rain]

Is hive city brawler a waste?

[bronze glade]

no basically a mandatory node

[mystic rain]

And ig pulveriser is kinda useless with brutal momentum

[bronze glade]

all fun and games until you get 20 ragers and you're unable to build up hv

[mystic rain]

Oh no 20 rager!!! The ever reliable boom bringer

[bronze glade]

i prefer to save launcher for crusher/bulwark waves

[mighty belfry]

For us, who are seasoned players. Think about it from the perspective of more casual players.

Don't get me wrong. I think them nuking the drawbacks entirely wasn't a great idea either but, I can't say Rampage didn't need at least an adjustment to its function or debuff.

Or at least a timer because apparently that isn't a thing base game still

I don't like what they did. But I get why they did it. Rampage wasn't intuitive enough for the pretty severe drawback it had and being in the middle of a fight just for it to suddenly poof and kill every bit of momentum you had at a bad time because you couldn't notice it was about to run out admittedly, isn't the greatest feeling.

[bronze glade]

i think anyone with half a brain can plan 5 seconds ahead and know to back off when rampage is ending

regardless of whether they're a casual or a long-term player

[brittle sierra]

What did they change about rampage?

[mighty belfry]

The issue is not knowing when it's happening. Which simply can't be expected from every player.

Not every player is us dude.

[bronze glade]

if only there were cues...

[bronze glade]

they removed exhaustion completely

[mighty belfry]

You mean a sound effect and a buff widget on a really shitty buff bar which can straight up disappear sometimes?

[bronze glade]

the game states very clearly, in no uncertain terms, that you should expect an exhaustion period

after rampage ends

if a player can't read, it's not an issue with the game

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. True. That doesn't mean the actual depiction of it was intuitive.

[bronze glade]

i think it's pretty intuitive

[mighty belfry]

Because you know the game.

[bronze glade]

no

it's like how shooter games have cues when you're running low on ammo

the sound of the shot becomes more high-pitched

rampage has the exact same effect

doesn't take a genius to realize after the first few times that it means rampage is ending

clearly i'm expecting too much out of people

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

Not everyone is a genius.

Legit that's the exact problem.

[bronze glade]

to read and listen??

[mighty belfry]

While you're knee deep in a horde and it's about to run out? Honestly I can see why some wouldn't realize it's about to end.

[bronze glade]

that's actually the most obvious

because you're smacking shit and the sfx keeps changing

[mighty belfry]

For. Us.

[bronze glade]

maybe some fuckers should learn

how do you think SG ended up in the state it currently is?

instead of catering to the lowest common denominator every single time

maybe fatshart should grow a pair

[manic wolf]

Eh, at that point you should already have HV up an running, like 5% isnt a massive boost over the course of a match. I don't think its a bad pick, but I also don't view it as a mandatory pick

[manic wolf]

The issue I don't think was realizing it was about to end if im being honest, I just think that people have become so accustomed to being nigh-invincible that when something involves them taking increased damage, even for a short duration, it was enough to trip them up

[bronze glade]

they could just make the cues more obvious

but that's too much work clearly

[manic wolf]

Vet? Invinvible with Exe and near-invincible with Shout, Zealot, invincible because Zealot, Arb, same story, Psyker, utterly juiced toughness regen and Ogryn has like 300HP, Scum has average toughness economy and not a whole ass load of DR, so when that extra damage taken procs, people just werent used to it

[mighty belfry]

That's what I'm saying. They could just make it more obvious or if not that, just tone the stamina debuff down a little. Not completely fucking nuke the downside entirely.

I get them wanting to make the class more user friendly.

But this was way overkill.

[astral canyon]

rampage also muffles the hell out of the ost in its duration

so its pretty clear when it has run out once you start hearing peak again

[manic wolf]

The only reason they made it more user friendly is because it effected their bottom line, if it was designed to be the class you have to put the work into and was a release class, this wouldnt have changed imo

[mighty belfry]

And honestly a lot of sound in general

[mighty belfry]

The increased damage wasn't the real trip up

It was your stamina being completely nuked and also unable to be recovered for a decent chunk of time reliably that was the real trip up with Rampage.

[low harbor]

I think we shud have burster, trapper and overhead sound cues placed priority above everything else

[mighty belfry]

You know as well as I do that isn't happening. 😔

[manic wolf]

Idk... Stam could be regained with talent on dodge, granted that would require players to have the foresight to take said node, or be competant enough to not need it

[manic wolf]

Particularly trapper and burster

[low harbor]

idk I don't hate most of the changes in the hotfix today

I don't mind exhaustion being gone

[mighty belfry]

Here's the funny thing. It's the worst at the immediate moment it drops.

[manic wolf]

Sure, but you only had to dodge one attack and you basically mitigated the issue there and then

[low harbor]

and they're kinda teasing another game mode now with the new mourningstar construction

[manic wolf]

Mortis 2.0

[mighty belfry]

The unfortunate push you had to do to get something off of you only for a single poxwalker to hit you while blocking and now you're endlessly stunned.

[bronze glade]

it's another mode?

[astral canyon]

what else is it gonna be

[bronze glade]

idk, didn't put much thought into it

[mighty belfry]

Which, mind you. You could take Forge's to kinda circumvent thaf.

[zenith fern]

Possibly

[astral canyon]

and blinders

[manic wolf]

I can't say I ran into that problem very often personally, an even when i did, it didnt feel like it was a case of the debuff fucking me, it always felt like a misplay on my part

[mighty belfry]

But that exact scenario has happened to me before even with Forge's

And yeah its definitely a misplay.

But it wouldn't happen if that debuff wasn't as significant as it was as well.

I don't think there's any ability that's actually punished you that hard for it ending until Rampage came around.

[zenith fern]

Mirrored hangar and havoc terminal

[mighty belfry]

And now it's gone.

[zenith fern]

Players now spawn in the left side