hivescum-class

[dire badge]

is this good on combat knife for hivescum?

[unique spire]

Dump

Where is it

[livid raven]

mobility

[unique spire]

I see it now

I mean, scum does crit a lot

So fresh tearer would have somewhat of a impact

But you don't need bleed

Other than that it's good

[dire badge]

what owuld you reccomend isntead of flesh tearer then?\

[livid raven]

riposte or precog

[unique spire]

More crit chance or more crit and weakspots damage for dodge

Your choice

[dire badge]

procog then

also is it true that dagger doesm ore dmg from the back as baseline

btw whats the dif between the two marks?

[livid raven]

mk3 is simpler and worse

mk6 is better at single target and horde clear

[dire badge]

gotchu with mk6 do u use heavy atk on single target?

[livid raven]

H>H>PA for single target

or block cancel instead of PA and loop back

or just do H>H>H loop

[flat mist]

if you just take cooldown stimm + maxed out chem dependancy you have like a 32-40s supply supply cooldown depending if you're getting overlapping stimm buffs, and if you time it correctly and drop your supply right before your stimm comes off cooldown you actually drop more crates than just having a minimum cooldown stimm

[flat mist]

why purposefully avoid the strikedown heavy?

[livid raven]

kinda slow

but you can just do heavy loops

[flat mist]

doesnt seem much slower than h1 and h2 just eyeballing

but the push attack does come in way faster

[livid raven]

you could just spam PA really

if you got the stamina

it's kinda the goat

[flat mist]

yeah that was always my go to playing psyker

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/kbOogG

@dire badge this is what i mean btw

in the 90s video i drop four crates (the last one is the loop restarting, so one per 30s-ish).

and the loop is far faster when you're dropping your stim cooldown through sample collector

[vast yoke]

i usually do PA-H spam for single target mk6

honestly tho i prefer mk3 just because it's more fun

i don't think it's better tho but i am tired of mk6 and mk6 has the most simple moveset ever

besides rashad ig

mk3 pa-h-l just feels more fun </3 it's not even better

[dapper kraken]

Hmm why knife over shivs?

Unless you are bored of shivs.

[dire badge]

just wnted to try all optons

[muted pivot]

Knife gets a better Uncanny too

Not sure if that makes a difference though

40% rending is plenty since the Shivs have good carapace ADM on the single target attacks iirc

Also the throwing shiv

[livid raven]

knife is better against crushers

[compact bronze]

Dumb question - Does Stimm Supply copy my custom stim, or does it mean a picked up stim from the map

[muted pivot]

Can do either

[compact bronze]

Oh, neat. Does it consume the stimm if I have one picked up from the map?

[muted pivot]

Yes iirc

[compact bronze]

Fair. More fun to make a custom one anyway

[muted pivot]

Would be crazy strong

If you could drop a healing stim as your F

[compact bronze]

Yeah I was gonna try and grab a healing stimm

Kinda loving this class so far, it feels like it does everything

[muted pivot]

Everything except absorb damage lol

It's very close to Psyker imo, it's like a broadening out of the gun Psyker design space

[compact bronze]

Psyker is the only other class I like playing so yeah I kinda feel that

Surviving is def trickier, but the mobility is so high I feel like thats a solid form of survivability

Dual Autopistols are so satisfying to use too

[muted pivot]

Vraks IAG does more damage but DAPs feel right

Sprint and shoot without needing a blessing for it

[compact bronze]

Yeah I have no clue about the power, but the feel is just amazing

Felt good out the gate

[upbeat gyro]

I wish i had not watched comparison video, because i also really like the feel of DAPs, but cant unsee the non-existant crits anymore

[muted pivot]

DAP strength is it doesn't need to crit

Base damage is great

But both keystones a Desperado might want are crit lol

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah that too, its not like you gotta go other side of tree to get em...

[compact bronze]

I'm still a baby in this game so im gonna keep using my awful setups until it becomes a problem and live in blissful ignorance

[muted pivot]

Desperado gets refreshes on F easier from it because you're running into the enemy faces

[muted pivot]

DAPs are not awful

[compact bronze]

Glad to hear it

[muted pivot]

Probably a desperado's #2 choice

It feels more scummy too

[compact bronze]

What's the #1

[upbeat gyro]

#2 choice in cool too, only dual pistols cooler, but... lets not even talk about their performance

[muted pivot]

Vraks IAG

[compact bronze]

Fair

[muted pivot]

It's the meta monster

[compact bronze]

I'm still leveling so I'm not too worried about the meta yet haha

[muted pivot]

Crit and weakspot damage insane, excellent fire rate, better range than DAPs (unless you count ability to close distance)

[upbeat gyro]

After leveling my Hivescum recently with Vraks IAG, i went and get it for my Arbiter too to replace the shotties 😅

As felt so comfy with it

[muted pivot]

It's a god gun on Psyker and on scum

I don't like it so much on the others

Maybe Veteran too but tbh marksman veteran doesn't work for me these days

[upbeat gyro]

Early 2024 when i played more i had it on my zealot, veteran and psyker, was called Columnus V then

[muted pivot]

I think the nerf hurt it on Zealot

[upbeat gyro]

So returning to game, could just get it on mastery 20 instantly and slap on while leveling

[compact bronze]

What's the meele weapon go-to out of interest

[muted pivot]

Much more than on the others

[muted pivot]

Mark 1 shivs, Rashad, Tac Axe all highly rates

[compact bronze]

Shivs feel amazing to use so glad to hear that

[muted pivot]

I love my bonesaw too

Wait til you try a melee build with shivs too

It's like swimming through a river of blood

[upbeat gyro]

Knife zealot on drugs

[compact bronze]

Sounds fun for sure

[muted pivot]

With actual good horse clear too

Horde

🐴

Don't neglect the throwing shiv

[novel oracle]

Taxe

[upbeat gyro]

Ketamine, the horse's choice

[muted pivot]

2 of them murders a crusher

[novel oracle]

And you get 2 back from killing them with a melee hit

[upbeat gyro]

I just made my first ever Taxe today, too bad for wrong class, arbiter, but if i like it, hivescum about to follow

[muted pivot]

And if you leave Desperado at any point, set yourself up a Needle gun

[compact bronze]

I love throwing shivs yeah. How do we get ammo back for the shivs though?

[novel oracle]

Soften them with the toxin

Kill em with the shivs

[upbeat gyro]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1385180267148476466/1464531872678936576/image.png?ex=6975cf18&is=69747d98&hm=0bce203d91760c68021567687e55e7e99a9554a92d3f1c666e347b3888653bfd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[muted pivot]

Backstab kills, and melee kills on elite/specials iirc

[muted pivot]

Do we use the 7 as well then? Double hyper?

No Shred needed I guess

[upbeat gyro]

Well, im the wrong person to ask those questions, ive swinged tac axe 0 times ever

[muted pivot]

I love it on my Zealot

[upbeat gyro]

But tonight is the night

[muted pivot]

Not sure of difference in strengths/weaknesses compared with a Rashad or Shivs in practice

Obviously it crits better than Rashad and swings faster

[novel oracle]

All classes like taxe

[upbeat gyro]

Rashad doesnt need crits but has no mobility

[muted pivot]

I guess Rashad might be better into Crushers?

[novel oracle]

Taxe is probably my 2nd choice melee on arbitrs

[muted pivot]

It's their best everything-killer right?

[upbeat gyro]

Can confirm Rashad is pretty amazing on crushers, i almost feel tempted not to just needle em from distance instead 😄

[compact bronze]

Thank you

[muted pivot]

The shivs dance already does Crushers in pretty well

[novel oracle]

Their shock maul is but its just that broken

[muted pivot]

But could be better

[upbeat gyro]

Back when i played 2023-2024, Taxe was memetier and only some tryhards who wanted challenge played it for sake of that

[muted pivot]

I mean the Arby maul is better at group control and still good at killing

[upbeat gyro]

Like for bragging rights how they can even make weapon so bad work

[novel oracle]

Cuz people used it wrong

[muted pivot]

But you aren't really a damage dealer with it

[novel oracle]

It didnt change much

[muted pivot]

You're more of a spicy bruiser

Tac axe got buffed too iirc?

[novel oracle]

With the 1h shock maul?

[muted pivot]

Yeah - it's not bad at damage, but it isn't great either

[novel oracle]

You can kill crushers in mere seconds with lightspam when half of the lights are sweeps

[muted pivot]

I always try hard the combo lmao

But it's like, good Crusher kill speed but poor into Unyielding or something?

[novel oracle]

You can inflict a stunning dot dealing 150-200 damage for nearly free

[muted pivot]

And tends to batter targets around in a horse more than kill them

🐎

I mean it blows the Crusher out of the water at least

(weapon)

Like it's crazy damaging, for such a safe crowd control weapon

Not compared to the high end of damage focused weapons

[tranquil fjord]

combat axe on scum feels so fun

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-2-warhammer-vermintide-slayer-bardin-gif-15875181584785943192

[fallen crypt]

Any weapon that makes getting clinical assassin and brutal bludgeons done faster?

Its the hit weak spots and kill with heavy attacks (respectively) while under cartel special

[tranquil fjord]

the mark of the shiv which has the slashing heavy attacks will work

or any weapon with a heavy attack horde clear

such as one of the heavy sword marks

one of the chainsword marks

[fallen crypt]

Hm ill try iut the heavy sword then

[echo python]

Heavy Sword with deathblow is good for progressing both at the same time

[astral canyon]

Mk4 chaxe

For the heavy attacks

[blissful gull]

hyper-critical or hyper-violence on shivs?

[unique dagger]

I use hyper critical because of the insane crit chance you get

I prefer hyper violence on havoc 40 solos since teammates arent a factor

[blissful gull]

reckon jittery is worth it or do you reckon slippery customer is better?

[unique dagger]

I always take jittery only from middle row

Going down straight and one point in jittery

[blissful gull]

so no slippery for havoc40?

[livid raven]

both

[unique dagger]

Slippery is cool but ultimately not needed when you figure out the movement for shivs

[livid raven]

i mean it's knife dodges

[jaunty coral]

do i run cooldown on range/melee kill or not go that deep?

[lilac ermine]

Hive scum is so weak in pox gas

[livid raven]

you should consider getting out of the pox gas

[bronze glade]

but i like the smell

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-wwe-smell-gif-16277621

[kind mist]

drop crate and be immune

[nova valley]

If you smeeeeelllllllllllllllll

[uneven plinth]

so iv mastered the dual auto and shiv now i must do the needle gun and crowbar?

melee guy needle gun ?

[hot edge]

beyond overtuned class

[brittle sierra]

Psyker 🤝 Scum

Being the most giga broken class in the game

[mighty belfry]

When he was cool 😢

[brittle sierra]

Nah wait till you see his Oscar winning performance

I'm not coping, trust

[bronze glade]

playing a literal rock

[mighty belfry]

[jaunty spire]

Send me a carton of milk and I'm a walking pox gas modifier thing

[jaunty spire]

Bonus points if you give me beans and broccoli

I can scare away even nurgle, easy

[main wagon]

Ring around the baggage cart

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/disaster-girl-waving-burning-house-trendizisst-gif-3534518855473024284

[versed spruce]

What flavor of broken were you running today sire

[versed spruce]

Ewwww AI

[zealous ravine]

the slop

[livid raven]

ehrm moooods

[uneven plinth]

whas perks for crowbar ?

[bronze glade]

prob flak cara

[uneven plinth]

needlegun is flak/maniac?

[astral canyon]

Unyielding

Flak/maniac is mostly for breakpoints and needler doesnt care for breakpoints

[livid raven]

doesn't really matter tho as you need to hold the weapon out to affect the damage, no?

well i suppose with unyielding you do get some extra damage

[astral canyon]

Unyielding is for magdumping into bosses pretty much

[zenith fern]

you might use reload speed too

[spiral rover]

Chat what are all the acceptable melee weapons for tox melee scum

[livid raven]

what is a tox melee scum

[spiral rover]

Cause something bout the shivs ain’t clicking with me

[spiral rover]

Tox build with the rampage ability?

[livid raven]

you mean stim crate build?

[spiral rover]

No because using the rampage ability

[livid raven]

right, then what's tox supposed to be here

in any case, any weapon he has is valid

[spiral rover]

You realize there are other ways to inflict tox

[livid raven]

there is one real way to inflict it and it's with the sneedler

but like

[spiral rover]

Coated weaponry talent, shivs alt fire, bonesaw, pocket toxin,

[livid raven]

using it doesn't really make you a tox build

well yeah but you are not using the bonesaw

[spiral rover]

What are we doing here chat

[livid raven]

it's just not really a build per se, but anyway

rampage /adrenaline/chem dep make everything work

i'd avoid the crowbar tho

if you don't go well with the shivs (have you tried mk3 shivs?) try the tacaxe

[ocean hollow]

I wonder what it is.

I have very good success with shivs. Pretty busted weapon with scum

[bronze glade]

def the strongest of the unique melees

[burnt vapor]

what are good modifiers to put on my hivescum relics

[spiral rover]

part of it I think is I just don't like to break my fingers clicking to light attack spam so much

also why'd they make the shivs just a better combat blade

[zealous ravine]

one of the devs loves shivs

[spiral rover]

Chat what if we put flesh tearer on the shivs while also running coated weapons

For the very silly dot on crits

[upbeat gyro]

How should my shivs look like btw?

Just noticed i had this silly stamina thing

[hallow socket]

If you run Float Like A Butterfly it's exactly the same as Riposte so Precognition works. It's got a shorter time but it's a different modifier that goes on crit anyways.

I'm experimenting with my hybrid melee. As I use shivs and chem Grenades, Pocket Toxin and Coated Weaponry seem to be the best fit personally nothing else works on this build no matter what I try.

[bronze glade]

float like a butterfly is much worse than riposte

[hallow socket]

Float has 3 seconds instead of 2 I believe.

[bronze glade]

riposte is 6

[hallow socket]

Oh yeh lol it's precog that's 2 seconds.

Hmmm you got me thinking now.

[bronze glade]

float isn't the worst thing ever

but it's not great either

[hallow socket]

True

I wonder what node I could swap for if I go riposte and ditch float like a butterfly.

What's some good melee nodes?

Oh float applies to range as well soo I can't ditch it 😔

Maybe I could swap Precognition for flesh tearer? I'm not running anarchy either.

[bronze glade]

shivs typically go with riposte and uncanny

[hallow socket]

I'm gonna try this bleed thing next run.

[eager zephyr]

Bleed isn’t worth it

imo at least

[hallow socket]

Yeah I've noticed in the hive scum with the combat knife isn't that crash hot. Flesh Tearer and Uncanny strike on that.

Need a bleeding skill then take mercy killer like the Vet and Zealot.

Still have unrelenting strike.

[bronze glade]

MK isn't that good on vet either

[hallow socket]

Blessings have a allot to with the build, took me long enough to notice.

Oh ok I'll take note

[bronze glade]

on vet knife usually goes with serrated blade talent, with uncanny/tearer as blessings

the bleed does a lot of work

[hallow socket]

I don't like the Duelling Sword on Vet personally either.

Coolbeans interesting

Oh that's what I run lol

[brittle sierra]

Uncanny

[mighty belfry]

Serrated tearer knife goes hard

Also for scum tbh

Flesh tearer does have a niche for rotten armor specifically ime

But otherwise, usually anything else is better

[hallow socket]

Is that a hive scum tree node? I know that as a blessing.

[bronze glade]

nah it's just a blessing

[mighty belfry]

A Tertium Welcome is very good for melee

One of the first nodes you can pick

[hallow socket]

Aye got that one it's essential for melee builds

[mighty belfry]

I also will say hyperviolence is a complete necessity

It is not a proper melee scum without that.

[hallow socket]

I got hypercritical, apparently don't run both together.

I would of gone that for sure if I didn't want to make it down the left tree.

[mighty belfry]

This was debunked a while back

I actually recommend running both.

[hallow socket]

Oh ok

Noticed a difference?

[bronze glade]

the power of both nodes outweigh the "anti-synergy"

[hallow socket]

All I could swap is coated Weaponry for it.

[tranquil fjord]

what weapon are you using?

[hallow socket]

Shivs

I'm using Claude to compare and it doesn't fit math wise.

For my build that is.

[tranquil fjord]

what is your build

[hallow socket]

Kinda went things that have less conditional qualities. I'll send the link.

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt recommend coated weaponry with the shivs as you commonly make enough damage to the point where it wouldnt matter

[hallow socket]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e46c07-a207-4bc8-9cc0-7f64782134f1/puke-nukem-melee-hybrid-desperado-explosive-bolt-pistol

[tranquil fjord]

it is still nice, especially with bosses

[hallow socket]

Agreed I've noticed it when I don't run it.

[tranquil fjord]

i have

[north crow]

WOW

[tranquil fjord]

a few things to say about tha tbuild

[north crow]

that is a build

[hallow socket]

Different aye

My own design it's been trial and error of course.

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt recommend hyper violence outside of a dedicated melee rampage build

[hallow socket]

Feels really good personally. Also agreed

Tried needle gun Desperado didn't work for me lol

[tranquil fjord]

uh

i could make my own tweaked version

[hallow socket]

Dooo it and show me

[tranquil fjord]

needle gun doesnt benefit so much from desperado imo

[hallow socket]

Fully

It's a weird one the needle gun that is.

I'm keen to see your version of this.

[tranquil fjord]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e1e699-216c-457e-bdb5-0ba25db0c807/desperado-dual-stubbers

this is my usual desperado build

minus some changes

[hallow socket]

That's good man

Stubs feel righteous 😁

[tranquil fjord]

chem dependency might be good instead of vulture's mark if youre looking for a lot of crits on the shivs

[hallow socket]

I prefer the chem keystone I've just taken up so many other points.

[tranquil fjord]

chem dependency would give a constant cooldown reduction to desperado

instead of having only cooldown reduction on the stim

[hallow socket]

Maybe I ditch that left side and go all chem lol

Lose hyper critical and swift endurance.

[tranquil fjord]

hyper crit is very good on the shivs

[hallow socket]

I know right 😂

[tranquil fjord]

without other melee buffs, it helps the shivs a lot in many situations

i havent tried a tox build yet though

perhaps with the bonesaw

[hallow socket]

Slaps hard

Bone saw and needle gun ftw

[upbeat gyro]

https://youtu.be/IwhqNR4Jq98?t=126

That timestamp demonstration of oneshotting those scab maulers with tac axe and hypercritical in quick succession kinda sells me this, gotta try

Arbiter didnt have talent like that so wasnt possible and bit disappointing

[drifting heron]

Thats combat axe

[hallow socket]

Looks fun

Thumbnail sells it.

I like the concept of short stims to stack chemical dependency. Got a melee build like that.

[upbeat gyro]

Ah true, watched further

I blame fancy cosmetics

[north crow]

wtf

shred?

[drifting heron]

hypercrit maxing

[north crow]

huh

HC with rashad?

excuse me?

[drifting heron]

Idk

Watch the video

[hallow socket]

Prefer the tac axe hands down.

[upbeat gyro]

He plays amazing, but those are some dodgy talent choices

Like what he does with the +1 ammo for needler?

And no Hive City Brawler

[hallow socket]

That's the thing man I can think of a YouTuber who is obviously a really good player but his skill choices are like a meme.

[upbeat gyro]

Hyper-Critical isnt triggering Brutal Momentum so that nearby similar enemies drop too, makes me wonder if its that worth it to build just for it

Though, not possible to oneshot Scab Maulers without critting and that talent triggering i guess anyway

Still, looks fun enough i might consider Chem Dependancy and crits rather than Adrenaline Frenzy on axes

[north crow]

rashad wants dmg and AS

not crit

[upbeat gyro]

What ive been trying out, those 3 nodes on right could be elsewhere too...

[north crow]

yea thats 27/30

you literally can place 3 wherever

[upbeat gyro]

I like how he sprints into sniper shot point blank, with that needler blessing

[worn portal]

for autogun build, what melee weapon is ideal vs crushers

currently im using alt fire crowbar

[bronze glade]

Shiv

[worn portal]

uncanny and..

[bronze glade]

riposte

[worn portal]

heavy stab head each time?

[bronze glade]

i usually open with a throwing knife at range

then heavy to the head yeah

[upbeat gyro]

I dont think im ready for havoc40 quite yet

7 sniper ambush in a doorway

[real python]

what is the horde clear moveset for shivs

[bronze glade]

LLLLLLLL

[real python]

watching some bluds video and it looks like he's block cancelling his lights

[bronze glade]

wtf what

[real python]

LLL Block Push LLL or something but I can't really tell

[bronze glade]

Yeah don’t do that

[tropic crag]

who's video?

[bronze glade]

Push if you need to

But that’s it

[tropic crag]

yeah they might just have a weird habit

[real python]

https://youtu.be/aybgdych4gQ

I could also be stupid and seeing things

[tropic crag]

from what i'm seeing sometimes he's doing push attacks to access the stab easier... like the thrust from the chest

i'm skipping around tho

[real python]

nah that's normal

[tropic crag]

and he's shove out of habit or just to reset... they almost look like timing shoves, like he's accidently worked a shove into his auto movement

[real python]

it's the horde clear stuff that looks funny to me

things are dying much quicker than when I do it

[tropic crag]

yeah he's doing weird shoves but they are either like timing shoves he's just accidently started doing over time or whatever

i will say the ai director is pretty calm in this one from what i'm seeing

not like weird just a lucky roll from the skips i'm doing

i might be missing some more hairy moments tho lol

[woeful hill]

just ask him

combine is pretty fast to respond

[tropic crag]

it kind of just looks like stuff i do something where your spacing is off or the horde isn't staying where you want so you're overshoving

yeah watching more its not pointless, just watched him shove alot and it looked weird until he pulled out the needle gun and he had clumped them into a nice deathpool

[real python]

im a little shy 😳

[tropic crag]

he looks like he shove alot but he's not blindly shoving its about control

[hallow socket]

I noticed I shove when I have clearance or I'm not completely surrounded.

Shoving when your surrounded with shivs is suicide.

[tropic crag]

he plays alot more thoughtfully than me, its nice

[hallow socket]

Ripthejack3r does a good vid in enemy slots and spacing.

[tropic crag]

his series he's doing is great tbh

[hallow socket]

Bloody spell check *on

[mighty belfry]

I tend do block cancel the first light a lot on shivs

Cuz it has a nice and wide angle

[tropic crag]

i pushattack too much with chainsword

[hallow socket]

This works well

[mighty belfry]

It's really quick and it also allows really easy Fly Like a Butterfly procs

[tropic crag]

honestly tho everything he's doing seems normal, like you're never just looping a combo forever in anything and he's mostly just flowing in and out of melee while doing shoves and stuff to maintain control

[worn portal]

is jittery good?

[bronze glade]

decent

not a must-have

[mighty belfry]

It's good but not necessary by any means

[tropic crag]

its fine, its not nimble good but its good

[hallow socket]

Good for melee

[final temple]

Jittery is comfy but you dont need it.

[mighty belfry]

I recommend not taking it honestly

[worn portal]

that whole center area above auras - which ones are really good for survivability

[hallow socket]

Yeah it's not mandatory I just like it.

[tropic crag]

i usually skip it and just take nimble

[mighty belfry]

Because it's the kinda talent that will seriously screw with your muscle memory.

[worn portal]

every now and then i just get caught in a mob and die

been running tac axe so much just cause i can hack and slash my way through that kinda situation

[tropic crag]

it is a very "just keep clicking" weapon lol

[worn portal]

ya, it staggers most humanoids

bonk bonk bonk

[hallow socket]

Tac axe my beloved

[worn portal]

i just dont have great answer to crushers

[hallow socket]

Don't use it as much honestly but I've made a build on every class for it. Yeah that's probably why. The Arbetis is my fave with that weapon.

[tropic crag]

needle pistol

[hallow socket]

It's like the answer to everything 🤣

[tropic crag]

honestly i started using the bolt pistol alot more recently just because the needler was getting a bit... boring lol

[real python]

thanks for checking. I noticed something but wasn't sure

[hallow socket]

Range immunity while sprinting is ridiculous in its own I wasn't sure it made you immune to snipers. I'ma gonna do so much dumb shit with it now.

[worn portal]

i like infantry autogun

[hallow socket]

Same

[mighty belfry]

I unironically think it can be better for melee scum if your melee has carapace prowess

For the same reason blackouts are good

[hallow socket]

Throwing shivs go brr

[worn portal]

i guess i just gotta learn to shiv better

[tropic crag]

yeah i currently use it with chaxe, chainsword, and bone saw and they can all handle carapace

[mighty belfry]

Never forget the throwing knife

[hallow socket]

Chainsword needle gun sound fun

[tropic crag]

cainsword is fun on the scum tbh

[worn portal]

bone saw swing pattern feels so awkward to me

i might consider using chainsword vs carapace

[tropic crag]

chaxe is my current fav

[hallow socket]

I've done the penances on it just haven't made a build for it I guess. Now I will cheers lol

[tropic crag]

but i'm using chainsword alot too

[worn portal]

feel like i might get kicked from lobbies for memeing

[hallow socket]

Give in to the dark..tide

[tropic crag]

honestly even meme builds on scum are havoc ready

[worn portal]

what about riposte with cat sword

[hallow socket]

Yeah some on other classes to have been a blast. Haven't tested in havoc though.

[tropic crag]

lol someone better with those than me would have to try some memes might be too big

[worn portal]

the hell, i have maxed masteries on chainaxe

and 0 mastery on plasma gun

[hallow socket]

Lol

[tropic crag]

rampage scum in havoc is really fun, but its very "eat one attack at the wrong time and fall over"

[worn portal]

and hardly any on combat blade

[tropic crag]

like SG pysker

[worn portal]

when did i get so into chain axe

[hallow socket]

Be like those carapace chains axe dudes.

[tropic crag]

below like the mid 30s in havoc the scum can still tank some stuff, but that feels like it falls off a cliff the closer you get to 40

its not every attack that gets you tho

[hallow socket]

Noticed they have hive scum paint jobs on them.

[worn portal]

any particular talents i need for chainaxe?

[real python]

ok now what about a build critique
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0eadf0a-e061-4281-84fe-24f688bf93b9/stabitha-v1

[hallow socket]

Dunno but I would go for something that wouldn't require you to rev it all the time or make it better as well. Like one of each I dunno just my opinion.

[tropic crag]

uhhh i just kind of built basic rampage with no tox stuff (outside of tox blackouts)... i think the only "weird" thing i took was cheap shots but i'm not sure how useful that actually is

i used the mk12 tho

i don't like the other mark

the mk12 has strike downs as heavies

[hallow socket]

Got one exactly the same lol nearly

It's good

[tropic crag]

earnestly i've never run rampage and chem dep together (because my favs aren't crit heavy weapons) but i know its really good

[real python]

i feel pretty strong with it and when I try to switch off or try a different shiv build it just doesn't click

[tropic crag]

yeah i think shiv is just better with that chem dep sort of build

[hallow socket]

It's 💯 viable

[tropic crag]

the axes are probably really good with chem dep too but thats just me guessing, i barely use them lol

[hallow socket]

We must field test 🧐

Lol I should be studying not nerding out.

[worn portal]

chainaxe it is there

this seems unga bunga enough for crushers

what blessings?

[tropic crag]

you will 1 shot them while rampaging (or stimming depending on stim) with the special but its a long commit so when theres alot of crushers you just kind of overhead them because that will cc them

[real python]

[tropic crag]

i use thunderous and slaughterer but headtaker might be better, i've never checked with smarter people about builds than me

[hallow socket]

I compare them on games lantern builds and test them in the psykanium and live games. You might find something that fits you in particular or dislike others.

[tropic crag]

thrust might let you overhead crushers better but i never tested lol

[bronze glade]

headtaker slaughterer

[hallow socket]

I don't have mods so I can't spawn enemies.

[tropic crag]

thunderous is comfy when dealing with armor swarms tbh

[bronze glade]

well you'd run chaxe on a rampage melee build prob

and with HT slaught you could just light spam crushers to death

pretty quickly

[tranquil fjord]

which mark

[bronze glade]

mk12

[hallow socket]

Full Texas style

[tranquil fjord]

huh

[hallow socket]

Fueeld up on stims

[tranquil fjord]

i prefer the mk4, you can still access rev heavies

[hallow socket]

Sorry I have a vivid imagination

[tropic crag]

i usually cc them and stop them from moving, i acutally don't disagree with you that what you're saying is good, i just like thunderous lol

[worn portal]

how is chem fortified?

[bronze glade]

was going to react but you have me blocked

🤷‍♂️

[hallow socket]

Glorious

[mighty belfry]

The tea spills once again.

[worn portal]

perk vs carapace and flak or maniac or unyielding

whats a good breakpoint on this

[tropic crag]

lol yeah if someone annoys me enough i block them so i remember to not over engage i can't remember what you said to me but i usually have a reason, it happened a long time ago from what i remember

[hallow socket]

Everything in hive scum I've found for big enemies.

*on fsake

Gonna throw this phone in a tantrum over spell check

[tranquil fjord]

chainaxe mk4 likes flak unyielding as it can hit breakpoints for carapace anyways without perk

[hallow socket]

Carapace, unyielding, flak

[tranquil fjord]

chainaxe mark twelve is uh carapace unyielding

[tropic crag]

yeah i have carapace on

and unyielding because yeah

it does everything else fine lol

[hallow socket]

Chainaxe build post let's go!

[worn portal]

playing with a guy named Diddy.. great

[hallow socket]

Your in for it now

[worn portal]

someone just abandoned after joining lol

[tropic crag]

lol maybe crashed

[hallow socket]

Still funny

[tropic crag]

[worn portal]

we didnt even start yet, just in lobby

so does MK12 stagger crushers? I dont want to eat an overhead like a derp

[tropic crag]

on normal overhead yeah

[hallow socket]

"It's not a sex crime, it's an act of violence" - some prisoner.

[tropic crag]

you can also get staggers out on the side heavies

[worn portal]

so i use heavy or special to stagger them?

[tranquil fjord]

push attack has good stagger iirc

[worn portal]

i should install psyk mod to fight enemies at some point

instead of learning in game

[tropic crag]

yeah, if you're double dipping on the damage blessings then you can light them to death between that.... i personally find it safer to kill them with overheads but that might be a playstyle thing

and yeah the push attack is pretty good tbh on the chaxe

it can kill even

[hallow socket]

Tried to get mods but failed. I'm on a Microsoft account as I've moved from Xbox One to PC and wanted to keep everything.

[worn portal]

private-perts joined

im not making this up

[tropic crag]

i play without mods, sometimes i uninstall this game to play other games and i don't want to deal with that lol

[tropic crag]

you're gonna be on the news man

[hallow socket]

Luv the names gets me every time. Had a nightmare recently with Fallout 4 and New Vegas. Got Skyrim and New Vegas modded but yeah I'm done for a long time lol.

Diddy looks the part 🤣

[tropic crag]

sometimes when i've modded both those new vegas games they became crash city and took me forever to figure out

[hallow socket]

Holy lol I think I've had a match with diddz

Modding Bethesda games is a true test of ones patience and will power

[tropic crag]

morrowind modding is suuuuper simple lol

[hallow socket]

Gotta play that game

New fable coming out looks mean AF

[tropic crag]

it and oblivion are the only two i keep installed always

i keep a modded oldblivion installed and sometimes reinstall the remake to play vanilla

[hallow socket]

Got a 2nd hand switch and the Zelda BOTW series. Not bad at all but I play darktide more lol worse than fent.

Fiendtide

Fenttide ok I'll stop now.

[tropic crag]

lol once tide games get their hooks in you properly its hard to shake them, because no other game fully scratches the itch lol

like its one of the few games series where after so many hours and years playing i'll just have moments of "man this game is fun" sort of clarity lol

[hallow socket]

Warhammer 40k + Left 4 Dead clone + RPG build/class elements = Fentanyl.

This is the way of the Lex.

[tropic crag]

the... lex ... undercover arby

[hallow socket]

I play every class but my Puke Nukem hive scum is my first main. I honestly have each class with the opposite ribbon badge thing.

Ogryn class Psyker badge etc

Get people's hopes up lol

[worn portal]

axe is awesome holy

[hallow socket]

Oh a shield Psyker? Oh ok it's a charging ogryn throwing rocks .

[hallow socket]

Very moist

[worn portal]

rolled a H20 with a bunch of... degenerates

special attack just tears through the shield

what a weird bunch of people

[hallow socket]

I've just started buying crap over and over from the brunt armory to get rolls with everything buffed besides mobility. Gonna take a long time for all builds classes but I'm probably gonna spend more hours in Tertium.

[worn portal]

so rotten armor is like flak++ on maulers and stuff, would shooting them in the chest with infantry autogun be helpful?

[hallow socket]

Not sure unless it had mad buffs.

Heard rotten armor can be pain

Hive Scums weakness is penetrating armor to keep in mind especially crushers.

[bronze glade]

rotten armor is stupid damage reduction against ranged and melee

fortunately HIV gets a DOT that's super strong

tox

so needle pistol's pretty effective against rotten armor

[hallow socket]

Didn't really get into the autogun until this class came out. I haven't run it on anything else but if I did I would use flak and maniac for something with strong melee like Zealot or Arby. I have a Hive Scum build that leans on chems with dum dum and another close range damage. Pretty sure it has unyielding and carapace but I'll have to double check.

For Desperado I prefer the Dual Auto Pistols and the Autogun.

I use dual stubs and needle pistol on melee.

And never use the crowbar unfortunately

Did the penance that was enough.

Some of these weapon penances had to use a build on a class that really didn't need it at all. It was just there for specials.

[worn portal]

ok, still not great vs rotten armor hahaha

[hallow socket]

Scum doesn't get the Vigilant Autogun?

Oh nah I think it does

Needle pistol is the answer to all. Not a fan of the time delay but it's fantastic dropping a wall of armored goons.

[bronze glade]

yeah needle pistol doesn't have much of the oomph you'd want from guns

but it's strong

[hallow socket]

It's like a set and forgot more than a take cover and blast, shooty shooty blast repeat.

I'll have to use it for placement more with that sprinting range damage blessing. Giving me the old Muttley chuckles that he does.

It's on there just the whole sniper thing, knowing is half the battle.

[mighty belfry]

That is not true at all

Hive Scum when you build em right can absolutely shred armor

Even Rotten Armor is not immune to that when you reach the damage heights this class can amass.

[hallow socket]

Chems

[drifting heron]

3 needler shots:
Any of their unique weapons:
75% melee strength and 40% rending:

[hallow socket]

Side of things I'm guessing?

Gonna have to run this chemist build haven't really tested it out.

[mighty belfry]

Not even.

Don't get me wrong.

DoTs do help.

[hallow socket]

Please explain

I'm all ears

Reasonably new

[mighty belfry]

Catachan already explained it. The amount of damage this class can stack is nuts.

And how sustainable it is.

Not only that.

[hallow socket]

Yeah true I gotta give it more of a chance I don't like it in this build for some reason.

[mighty belfry]

But hyperviolence is incredibly powerful for a particular reason.

[hallow socket]

*on

Ahh with that?

[mighty belfry]

If you're dealing with a horde and you suddenly bolt over a crusher to hit them, there are times where you will just outright one shot them.

Because you've stacked so much overkill.

[hallow socket]

Would you run the city nvat knife with hyper violence and critical?

Combat knife geez

[tropic crag]

yeah you can death tap surprising things with HV on accident when just shredding through a horde

[hallow socket]

Kk so Hyper Violence + critical. Combat knife with flesh tearer and uncanny strike?

[drifting heron]

I wouldn't run knife with hyperviolence

[hallow socket]

Oh ok

The mark 6 is my fave

[mighty belfry]

I would.

[drifting heron]

Cool

[mighty belfry]

But I'd run mk3 honestly.

But I'm also crazy so

That being said, flesh tearer and uncanny

[hallow socket]

Mmk interesting so I could drop Coated Weaponry and do that? I'm gonna test this anyway lol.

[mighty belfry]

does fair quite nicely for rotten armor

But usually you're better off going for more damage

[hallow socket]

Straight up more damage all the way.

The Hyper combination sounds ridiculous but I gotta try it 😂

[real python]

is there a character height to naturally hit more headshots?

max height?

[drifting heron]

Whatever you like I guess

[tropic crag]

honestly its whatever you're used to, i prefer shortest but any can work its just on you to aim a bit different

[bronze glade]

i do max height to whack heads easier

[tropic crag]

i played way to much slayer so basically same reason basically lol

[flat mist]

did you mean hyper critical?

[jaunty coral]

so hypercritical kills dont count towards getting blackout grenades back? man it makes them feel so bad

but losing HC in a crit knife build seems like a big loss as well

[tropic crag]

yeah if you're running HC you probably run rocket or tox nades

[jaunty coral]

i know the answer is 'just use rocket' but i like the idea of refreshing stagger grenades that tox everything + the 15% base damage etc and just controlling things with blackouts and meleeing it all

losing hc just hurts alot

[tropic crag]

hyperviolence fills the same hole just as well or better depending on the build but yeah crit knife is probably better with HC

[jaunty coral]

how crucial is the chem stack on melee crit hit talent do you think

i cant decide if i like it or not

[tropic crag]

its kind of where you get the most crit right? i think you can make it work with adren but i don't think it will proc as often overall

[maiden heart]

hows devils claw on scum?

[woeful hill]

great

[maiden heart]

i was hoping so, cheers

[jaunty coral]

hows vulture's push for ranged build, is it any good?

the left node on vulture keystone

[pallid quail]

nah it sucks

the other 2 are good tho

[tropic crag]

it doesn't really do anything basically

[jaunty coral]

i havent tried it, but it doesnt say it has a cooldown

i imagined it constantly pushing enemies as you go brrrr

ok word lol

[pallid quail]

the aoe is like nothing

idk about any internal cd but it wouldnt surprise me

[jaunty coral]

ill test it in pyschanium and see

fatshark would never add a hidden effect on an ability not in a tooltip, what do you mean?!

👀

[pallid quail]

[upbeat gyro]

Hivescum has ruined me, couldnt play psyker as kept getting overrun by poxwalkers as too used to amazing mobility

[unreal stirrup]

how do you even get overrun by chaff with psyker

😭

[weak mason]

Bonesaw is bad? I almost never see anyone use it, like compared to crowbar which are both hive scum exclusives

[bronze glade]

BS is bad

Crowbar is dogshit

[upbeat gyro]

Well tbh was kinda surrounded situation and i overestimated my mobility and distance of dodges after playing hivescum recently, psyker moved like elderly person instead and got hit

[bronze glade]

Spam push as you slide away

Psyker also has great stamina

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah its just matter of not being used to that mobility, was my 2nd or 3rd game with psyker since returned, so previous games were early 2024

[sinful matrix]

By not using a staff

Or, if you are using a staff, the voidball one

Otherwise yeah, giga player-side issue. PBKAC

[pure kayak]

Can anyone please tell me if you can trigger Voice of Tertium with the Needle Pistol?

[woeful hill]

Only if the direct impact deals the killing blow

Look in the pins for the steam guide

Kuli explains indepth each talent plus some extra interactions

[pure kayak]

Aigh thanks. I was reading the VoT part in Kuli's guide, but didn't see the Needle Pistol or Toxin mentioned there.

[woeful hill]

I see, might be implied

Since needler is dot

And dots aren't ranged

And he only notes some talents that include dots for ranged buffs

[verbal dew]

#hivescum-class message mods tell you the answer

[worn portal]

how is like the wind

[livid raven]

pure ass

[worn portal]

so i have 1 more point, trying to get more survability, got jittery, untouchable, regain posture, calling for time out, moving target that i didnt take yet

on infantry autogun desperado build

any of those good?

[livid raven]

you should just post your build

[worn portal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0eb8859-0bb5-4f64-82bd-88919b4f8252/infantry-autogun-with-axe

its doing ok up to H20 or so. Im pretty unga bunga

shoot most of the time, axe when needed

just right now im trying the toughness regen thing, before that I was just using blitz pouch and a bit more attack speed/weapon swap

[livid raven]

cheap shot does nothing here

[worn portal]

autogun staggers doesnt it?

oh i guess 'fully staggered'

[livid raven]

and you also don't want sustained fire on the autogun

[worn portal]

oh

[livid raven]

desthspitter is much better

[worn portal]

is fishing for crit chains worth it?

[livid raven]

yes but not so worth you take the crit branch of the stim imo

[worn portal]

so maybe get +30 rending

[livid raven]

and definitely not worth it enough to have crit chance on the weapon

take flak instead

[worn portal]

k

[livid raven]

i'd avoid untouchable and regained posture

maybe taker jittery

[worn portal]

pick your target?

i can get 30 rending with stim, iono if thats ideal

kill like... 1 crusher ha

[livid raven]

imo either finesse or rending

also avoid the toughness branch of the stim, it's bad

also do take pick your targets

[worn portal]

k ill just put 2 pts into the bottom left for 8% ATS and 50% swap

60% visc is like only a few more sec of cooldown

[livid raven]

i think you also want the sweet spot if you can get it

it's actually worth it on vraks

[worn portal]

maybe drop float

[livid raven]

and unload is a pretty good talent too

[worn portal]

so maybe unload, hyper crit, pick pocket, sweet spot

[livid raven]

instead of dropping float, drop ammo jack

[worn portal]

not sure how to get sweet spot without going through hyper crit or swift

[livid raven]

you get it through hypercrit

[worn portal]

well im short one

[livid raven]

i'd drop nimble

or jittery

[worn portal]

i dont have jitt so ill drop nimble

so center is slipper and tiss

[livid raven]

is it like this

[worn portal]

yes

[livid raven]

seems good enough

[worn portal]

well one exception... and iono what to think about this

saw that video about stacking 3 toughness regen curio perks

and getting loose formation

[livid raven]

toughness regen is garbo

god, please link me that video

was it mr E

[worn portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpM7doQ-y_A&t=534s

no ryken

[livid raven]

unfortunately i don't know what people think of him or his infamy

but nah that's silly

[worn portal]

so back to 3x ability regen?

[livid raven]

or whatever else you usually take

toughness, health, rescue speed

resistances

[worn portal]

resistances might be pretty good, been melting to bombers

esp flame bombers

with desperado im not usually dying to a gun fight

its usually gettting trapped and overhead, caught in fire, netted, or thatk inda stuff

[livid raven]

not quite sure about bomber resistance

[worn portal]

im amazed at how fast hp melts in that

[livid raven]

yeah but it has to through your toughness first

[worn portal]

i guess the other class ive been playingg is a fatmangus zealot, so that thing is hard to burn down

or ogryn, arbites can break the line charge out of it

but i get this annoying aim punch stutter that soemtimes makes it hard to move

i guess its just been recent memory, lotta bomber downs

[broken relic]

Does desperado work against trappers?

[livid raven]

no

[worn portal]

i wish

considering gold toughness protects against bursters

[unique spire]

Turns out nets aren't bullets

[worn portal]

turns out... .criminals get caught

[sacred estuary]

What do you call a group of trappers? A network.

[hallow socket]

That's when we start typing "gg"

[manic wolf]

Bomber resist is terrible

Sniper and Gunner are the most effective ones, though note that Gunner does not impact anything with a gun, just actual Gunner elites

[novel oracle]

Gunners and reapers

[rough peak]

^

[grand jewel]

if only it also covered shotgunners so it affected plasma

[muted pivot]

Do Desperado and Empathic Evasion affect snipers and plasma?

[livid raven]

yes

any talent or skill or anything that makes you dodge or immune to ranged applies

[keen timber]

A run ender

[keen timber]

Does it not actually cover shotgunners too

[grand jewel]

It doesn't

[indigo sedge]

reminder emperor loves you stim addicted genuses

[astral canyon]

Forgetter that the emperor loves you

[zealous ravine]

reminder that nurgle HATES you. 5 MILLION poxbursters outside your house

[astral canyon]

True

[broken relic]

Fair enough, didn’t know how generous “immune to ranged damage” was

Then again I guess the net itself doesn’t actually do damage until you’re down already

[wanton dock]

ranged damage (but not ranged CC)

So what is your opinion on "Booby Trap"

I rarely make it work and at best it kills a few maulers.
But maybe thats a skill issue.
Do you guys have any decent use for Boobs?

[bronze glade]

it's whatever

fun but not very good

[wanton dock]

I would not even call it "fun"
because its allways a tragedy to see my stims explode without a single victim

[bronze glade]

well it's fun in the sense that i can drop a crate

and lure a crusher patrol into the crate

radius is way too small though

[wanton dock]

yeah the small radius combined with the 5 seconds explode timer (with Fast Acting Stimms)
makes it very hard to get that timing right.

because if you have to dodge back once, the fight allready moves out of the explosion radius.

[wanton dock]

Okay I checked, and on Damnation it does only 25% of a crushers health.
That does it, I will quit the Booby Trap

[blissful gull]

which needle pistol mark is best?

[bronze glade]

yeah the tox is mostly just a dps boost if you're fighting ogryns

[bronze glade]

VI if you just care about single target damage

II if you want to have tox spread from the special

[misty hearth]

So there's an actual difference between the two marks beyond different alt modes?

[bronze glade]

mk6 has extra tox on weakspot/crit

[north crow]

1 extra

on a gun that uses no ammo

mk2 all day long

[exotic temple]

It’s ok. If I hear a horde of ambush I’ll typically set up in a choke point and it’s easier to hold a horde or patrol in the blast zone.

It’s usually the first node I cut when I get in a bind tho

[bronze glade]

what does that have to do with anything

if you don't need the alt mode

mk6 is just better

[nova valley]

Enemies that explode cause of Mk6 also infect others with 1 stack, right?

[bronze glade]

no thats only mk2

[astral canyon]

Ye its why i use mk6

[nova valley]

Weird. Could swear that hordes got poisoned by the exploding guys

[grand jewel]

yeah they do, on Mk2

[nova valley]

Maybe it's that small radius then... Shooting in hordes with special mode on Mk6 still manages to poison more than 1 enemy

[north crow]

wrong

you are shooting the groudn

[nova valley]

Cool

So that is the small 0.825 radius mentioned in the spec.

They don't explode when they die though if you miss. Thankfully, otherwise it would be insane beyond measures

[north crow]

yes, the alternate fire effect does not activate

when you kill enemies shooting the ground

[nova valley]

Good good

Anyway, I am a fancy scum, so I always pick the mark that just looks cooler

But, the more you know

[north crow]

it literally doesn't matter

they do the same

[nova valley]

Mk6 reminds me of the reaper weapon from Harlequins' Death Jester

[compact oyster]

mk6 makes enemies explode on death and spread toxin to the nearest ones mk2 makes enemies around them stagger on death

[mighty belfry]

I uh

Think you got that backwards.

[rapid shale]

As a gun scum I only use melee in bad situations
Ive been using whatever melee weapon gets me outta that spot and bak to gun again. Any suggestions for a melee weapon that would be good at that?

[woeful hill]

Dclaw

[sacred pilot]

so uh

mk 3 shiv?

lower everything ?

how is this an.. upgrade?

[rapid shale]

I haven't tried claw yet. Ty

Can you just hold block on dclaw and it will auto parry?

[exotic temple]

Nah it’s the weapon special

[rapid shale]

Im looking for a lazy way out, so just hold down special or spam it...?

[exotic temple]

Spam it

[rapid shale]

Awesome. Ty

[exotic temple]

Highest mark is rarely the best. It has to be an inside joke or something at this point. Although I don’t think it worse it’s just a side grade. The heavies are sweeping strikes vs strike downs. You can access the single target attacks with the push attack so it’s still good just more fiddly

[bronze glade]

faster light spam if you want to embrace the meme

[sacred pilot]

I AM THE MEME

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-lightfall-the-witness-darkness-black-fleet-gif-27606723

[livid raven]

@pulsar aspen is that you in a match with HivesCum

[pulsar aspen]

@livid raven I am sorry what?

[livid raven]

nervermind

[worn portal]

if you sldie into an overhead with slipper customer - does it proc

[livid raven]

no

[heavy patio]

do the dual stub pistols require specific timing for maximum effect or just click while flipping the guns?

[astral canyon]

just click

timing doesnt matter afaik

[pulsar aspen]

@livid raven If it would have been me, would it mean anything?

[livid raven]

no not really apart from being a coincidence

[jaunty coral]

if im running a stimm supply build (like reginalds 'chemist' build) with a 15s stimm supply for blight in havoc, is it worth just running it the same way in non-blight? Or should i be running a higher cd more power stimm?

[exotic temple]

I don’t see a point in running a 15 sec stim outside of blight. I’d just run the stim he has for the chemist

[trail folio]

isnt there a build where you can Drop stim supply --->Stim Shot--> re Stim supply? when I try to do this my stim shot goes on CD right after the first stim supply the first time. What am I doing wrong here?

[astral canyon]

stim supply puts your cartel stim on cooldown if its available

you'd have to use stim supply right before your stim cooldown ends

[supple torrent]

You just need the node that refreshes stimm supply whenever your stimm is off cooldown

With enough CDR you'll naturally have stimm supply up before cartel stimms so you can spam it all you want

[muted pivot]

Does the crate always apply your cartel stim? Even if still on CD?

[astral canyon]

its not supposed to

but apparently theres a bug with fast acting stimms that lets you do it

[dim moth]

15 seconds isn't even worth it for blight imo

if you need your stimm to have 100% uptime 30-40 seconds is ideal imo

[jaunty coral]

it doesntr have 100% uptime then tho? the 15s one lets you constantly apply it to the whole team

[dim moth]

do you not use sample collector

[mighty belfry]

tbf 30-40 isn't 100% uptime

[dim moth]

do you not kill enemies

[mighty belfry]

you can have a lot of uptime yes

[dim moth]

I have like 80% with a fuckin' 75 second stimm

you can bring yourself to go stab enough dudes to get 100% uptime with half that cooldown

[mighty belfry]

there's still those small moments of downtime to consider where you don't have enough to kill for the procs

[dim moth]

if you don't have enough to kill for procs you don't have enough blight spreads goop around to need the corruption immunity

[mighty belfry]

true but the point is, it isn't 100% necessarily

[dim moth]

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[mighty belfry]

like it can be damn near it, but i have experienced those moments where even with a stimm in the 30-40 range, it's not available when i might have needed it for blight

[tranquil fjord]

what if coated weaponry worked with ranged

[dim moth]

needle pistol found dead in the streets

shot to death by vraks infantry auotgun

[tranquil fjord]

most things already die when you start critting with the vraks

[amber sundial]

would shotgun crit apply once per shot or per pellet

[tranquil fjord]

probably once per shot

like flechette

[neat delta]

What blessings to put on my bonesaw

[astral canyon]

Shock and awe and then decimator/shred/wrath

[neat delta]

whats the diff between uh

purple and yellow on the saw

[dim moth]

yellow is 1 chem tox stack on hit, 2 on crit

purple is...7.5% brittleness on hit and higher ADMs into armor (more damage)

[astral canyon]

how much more damage is it

[winter tusk]

the brittleness should let it do a good bit more id think

havent used bone saw myself yet

[muted pivot]

Love purple on bosses tbh

You really feel the increased party damage

Especially on burgles

[tranquil fjord]

with coated weaponry, you can apply both brittleness and toxin on crits

[prime turtle]

So I’m getting rid of slippery customer because it is giving me a bad habit, is inconsistent, and some melees count as aoe and not actual melee, should I get regained posture for more dodge in bad scenarios or forges bellow for crowd control?

With my setup I get my ability back pretty quick so I would get use out of the shout but the other has infinite uptime

Does the shout do anything to bosses?

[upbeat gyro]

So the shout wont work through voidshields atleast

Regained posture i see noone using so i guess its of low value, hard to tell what you should get without seeing build and weapons used etc.

[jaunty coral]

anyone sometimes their stim supply doesnt drop, and your guy just holds it?

just failed a havoc clutch bc of it

frustrating

[ornate flame]

What is this awful bug

This costed me a H40 game

Can't bring out the rocket launcher

I don't even know what causes this

Never had something like this before with other classes

[jaunty coral]

same, i was honestly fine and it was me + the arby duo 'clutching' arby goes down, BON kinda far away and some poxwalkers near him, we just cleared a huge rotten wave us 2 just fine. I go to stimm supply to make us immune to the coming BON spit and quickly pick him up, knowing we have the time bc of the immunuty + 3x revive speed curio, and ofc i'll block the poxwalkers.
but my guy just stands there with his stimm in his hands, and wont throw it, and that 1.5 seconds of confusion i got smacked twice in the back by h40 poxies and insta deleted

easily we coulda had it, we were right next to the 2 teammates rez point

so frustrating

[timid seal]

couple days of playtesting later. yeah nah the Vraks IAG sucks. dual auto better.

[spice cloud]

You are mislead brother

Iag is very good

[zenith fern]

never let this guy speak again

[spice cloud]

Duals are better for hordeclear but iag is better for overall special killing.

And still has very good horde clear.

And i think people agree iag is best gun for desperado.

[zenith fern]

best? Not sure

But it really good choice for desperado

[bronze glade]

Turns out stupidly powerful gun plus stupidly powerful ult is still stupidly powerful

[timid seal]

yeah nah.

[spice cloud]

Cool argument

[timid seal]

shush, Boy. AG is lacking Blaze Away and Inspiring Barrage. the blessings it has instead all revolve around close range kills which makes ADS pointless. your reload speed with Gun Scum is already lighting quick unless you're a brainless mutant to begin with on your talent points and stimm choices. terrifying barrage? pointless, just kill them---except it does less damage per shot, I checked, and somehow has way shittier spread despite being a friggin auto rifle than the two one-handed guns does. salvo? no one cares about the salvo blessings and for a spray-n-pray gun who's worried that much about headshots. hit'n'run? cool, you're usually immune to ranged regardless or again, just kill the target.

better to synergize Blaze Away 4, Inspiring Barrage 4, and Unload Talent. IAG cant do that. the best blessings it has are dum-dum and the rest are conditional versus "Just Shoot Them, Clownass."

I'm sure the gun works great for someone else but why would you use it when the game literally starts you with the best ranged choice for the class to start with in terms of mass body count. you're just nerfing yourself.

shit's like the Claymore in mass effect 2 and 3. overrated as hell and the Paladin fires a slug instead with a faster reload. meanwhile the ungabunga vanguards still praise the thing for...whatever reason.

[zenith fern]

If it kills, it kills smh smh

I just wanna have an excuse to hate duals

[timid seal]

literally a Skill Issue on your end then.

[zenith fern]

Shredder desperado does go funnyy

[zenith fern]

never liked them in the first place

[timid seal]

bro in that picture managed to have a shittier hairline than Vegeta somehow. he should focus on that.

[spice cloud]

Desperado literlly is a close range ability.

[sacred pilot]

I'm always impressed by the amount of passion on display around here.

[spice cloud]

Long range blessings do nothing for it.

And scum ranged combat buffs mostly go for closer ranges aswell

[sacred pilot]

wtb Scum Helbore

[zenith fern]

true

[sacred pilot]

my buddy was saying one of the missions we hear their radio chatter and the baddies app;arently think our team of 4 is a giant assault by hundreds

[zenith fern]

need hellbore desperado

[sacred pilot]

Akimbo Helbore go

[woeful hill]

One of the carnival missions iirc

Mercentile maybe

[zenith fern]

Pretty sure Wolfer also says that voiceline on hab dreyko

[sacred pilot]

is good for our ego

[spice cloud]

Ainz what do u prefer iag or dap?

On desperad

[sacred pilot]

surprised the emperor doesn't immediately chastise us

[woeful hill]

I haven't used either on scum

They aren't fun for me

[spice cloud]

Really?

[woeful hill]

I don't like sustain damage

I like burst

[spice cloud]

Its the first class where i like the autoguns and stuff tbh

You should try it.

[woeful hill]

I dislike ranged combat so that's also a reason

[sacred pilot]

oh my

somebody LIKES autoguns?

[spice cloud]

I agree it can get stupidly easy

[zenith fern]

based

[woeful hill]

Like hooray, I can hold m1 and kill them

Yippee

Side note

Here is the unmatched power of the sun

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[sacred pilot]

this game has beautiful melee combat. It is a crime to shoot guns instead.

[spice cloud]

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