hivescum-class

[lethal quartz]

IEMs are so stupidly good for what they are

[austere coyote]

I splurged and got some planar magnetics for myself for Christmas

they're really nice

[sinful matrix]

Most expensive pair of headphones I've ever bought was 250usd or something

IEMs are a bit out of my budget lmao

[final temple]

Good quality IEMs are usually under 100.

[main trellis]

Jesus Christ… imagine spending that much on headphones…

[final temple]

you can absolutely splurge on them like I did and get some nice fiio FH7S for like 300.

[sinful matrix]

Worth it, honestly

Like, it's hard to quantify how good sound can be until you experience both good and bad

[final temple]

like. proper quality chifi are like 30-50. that’s reasonable.

it completely transforms the experience and if you care about sound cues in a competitive environment IEMs are a serious alternative to blinged out overears.

[sinful matrix]

I'd need them to be custom molded tbh

Which skyrockets the price

any kind of earbud/in-ear anything is painful for me cause my ears suck

[final temple]

I am good with some nice foam tips over silicone

I had the same issue until I found foam tips that fit

same issue I had with airpods until I got foam tips.

[sinful matrix]

As for the price thing, Hyper X Clouds are really all you need if you want a built-in mic

The Audiotechnicas I got are objectively better, but probably not 150 dollars better for most people

[trim wind]

im looking at philips shp9600, my current headphones are falling apart

[tropic crag]

honestly good headphones can also be cheap if you just shop "top of the line but 5 to 10 years ago"

you'll still get quality for the most part

since headphone tech doesn't change that much

[latent belfry]

is brauto a good pick for scummin? if so which mk and blessings?

[bronze glade]

criminal that brautos didn't get buffed with hiv release

[latent belfry]

is there anything to rival dual autos or

[tropic crag]

needle gun alt fire spam is kind of comically broken

but its less fun tbh

[brittle sierra]

Bolt Pistol and IAG

[rough peak]

at the same time?!

[brittle sierra]

Fuck it we ball

[exotic temple]

I think Reginald just did testing on the brautos I think agri was on parity with vraks iag and daps

[rough peak]

idc if it felt worse for me to use the iag, I'd still want to use it

[mighty belfry]

Explody bistol goated on scum

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

Heretics pov:

[exotic temple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZdD-Yl-cQyg?si=_jnWUDoxsNXZ9TI2

Back with Siro’s favorite test

[latent belfry]

what should i run on iag? Marks and blessings

[spark gyro]

Dumdum and uhhh the uhhh

Does that stamina refill talent work with stripped down?

[low harbor]

mk5
unyielding, flak
dum dum, deathspitter

[low harbor]

yes but not rly relevant vs deathspitter

[spark gyro]

Bros are spitting deaths

[bronze glade]

imagine testing for havoc

it's like kicking yourself in the nuts repeatedly to prepare for true CBT

[spark gyro]

das cockenball, ja

[latent belfry]

Thank you mang

[exotic temple]

And he does a bunch of times for each weapon that would drive me up a wall

[bronze glade]

it's like path said, these tests are worthless lol

there's no point in doing these tests if the situation is completely different for each time

and you can't control for the variable you're testing for

it's like middle school science 💀

[tropic crag]

you can give it the ol' squint test

[zealous ravine]

its just to try the feel of the weapon since enemies standing still really isnt the most gameplay accurate

unless you have a smyker i guess

[bronze glade]

yeah that's fine ofc. i'm just hoping this isn't the methodology he uses for that ttk excel sheet lmfao

[exotic temple]

I wouldn’t say they are worthless there are just more variables. It becomes how fast can he clear a scenario vs how fast does the weapon or build clear.

[bronze glade]

I mean the test is just vibes basically

Depends on what you want ig

[zealous ravine]

awesome vibes hype moments and aura

[robust minnow]

Less a hivescum question and more a chainsword question: Says here that Carapace Damage on the MkIIIg chainsword is 0. If I add on +25% Carapace damage, is that still 0, or will it add carapace damage based on its Damage/Penetration stat?

[bronze glade]

where are you seeing 0?

shouldn't be 0

should be a low number, but not 0

[robust minnow]

one minute

It's 0 across the non-crit light attack board

It's like that for the MkIV wtf

Heavy attacks have normal damage stats for Carapace.

[bronze glade]

it's prob wrong or you have low damage stats on your weapon

that being said

carapace isn't worth taking on chord anyway

[robust minnow]

I usually agree, however carapace is the one damage type I struggle with on my melee ganger build.
Ranged weapon is the autopistols.

...Wait I should just grab a bolt pistol.

[tranquil fjord]

carapace modifier wont make a weapon thats inherently terrible against carapace much better

really, youre looking for another boost such as rending or

a different weapon for the use

[bronze glade]

just grab a needle pistol

requires 0 investment

ez carapace deletion

bistol isn't particularly amazing against carapace on hiv

unless you juice the fuck out of it ofc

[robust minnow]

wdym juice tf out of it?

[bronze glade]

desperado, stimms, ranged talents

surgical + DA

[robust minnow]

Ohhh

[bronze glade]

it's not worth it

[robust minnow]

I've got a fully modified needle pistol ready to go

[gloomy prawn]

Bonesaws effects?

[brittle sierra]

Dumdum and deathspitter

[brittle sierra]

No

[brittle sierra]

The best range weapon for Desperado Scum imo is the explosive bolt pistol

It's just too funny

[robust minnow]

Funny how? Funny ragdolls, or funny effective?

[bronze glade]

everything go boom

it's pretty effective too

but that's a desperado build

[robust minnow]

I'll keep that in mind!

[mighty belfry]

It's also one of the best for melee scum tbh

Not for the sake of being an actual ranged weapon but because the stagger gives a degree of crowd control that complements Scum's lack of really well.

[near mauve]

250 usd is mid tier level unironically

its worth

[sinful matrix]

Kinda

Headphones are weird in that you'll find best bang for your buck at at the 100-300 dollar bracket and again at the 2000-3000 dollar bracket

[near mauve]

yeah a lot of the great ones are around 300 BUT objectively the high end is stuff like audeze and that's around 1k range

[sinful matrix]

1k for just the headphones

don't forget your wires, your dac, etc

[near mauve]

all what u need is that one famous dac/amp combo for 100$ i forgot the name

everything else is snake oil

[sinful matrix]

snake oil or meant for Eminem's producer

Home ownership stuff though, yeah, around 300 bucks is all you need for your headphone/dac combo

[near mauve]

1 day i will own a dt1990

best headphone ive ever tried

[sinful matrix]

I just have a pair of ATH M50x STS-USB

Didn't really feel like shelling out for a DAC too when I got em

[near mauve]

they dont need one tbh

u can drive them on a phone

dac/amps are for low ohm headphones

[manic wolf]

I use that on melee Scum tbh, can take RPG without feeling bad about missing out on Blackouts coz the gun does more or less the same thing

[spice cloud]

Yeah bistol despacito is funny.

First time i enjoyed the new bistol mark.

[dreamy rover]

https://tenor.com/view/mel-gibson-simpsons-spin-violence-gif-9453042

Me with braced auto and desperado

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-sam-double-barrel-shotgun-shotgun-double-barrel-loading-gun-gif-25050836

[muted pivot]

Why use the braced when you can live the crit life with IAG though

[verbal dew]

mag size

[muted pivot]

Braced is like IAG with a lobotomy

[verbal dew]

its cosplaying suppression being a core game mechanic

[final temple]

Making Suppression Great (Again?)

[livid raven]

i wish we had real stubs instead of infantry autoguns but bad

[timid seal]

kind of annoying that using the Cartel Special keeps you from using the pickup stims.

like...but why though? becomes ESPECIALLY lame on Pox Gas maps if your teammates wont help you out.

[dim moth]

because the cartel special is a regenerating slightly worse combination of up to 2 stimm effects

red stimms are 25% strength and rending

cartel special is up to 20% strength and 15% rending

but it can also have that alongside 20% attack speed+stun immunity

and can also be spread to the entire team by stimm supply

[timid seal]

yeah. I just wish there was an option to recover white health with kills or something.

like removing corruption, I mean that's easy. but as it stands it's basically "No Med For You"

[upbeat gyro]

How does uncanny melee sidearm work with desperado? Switch to hit few melee hits to get it and then shoot?

[spice cloud]

That would make healing station and medipacks redundant.

Aswell as managing ur health.

And a zealot perk.

[timid seal]

and med stimms. like I said. weird that scum can't use em.

[spice cloud]

They can tho

Just dont have cartel special

[timid seal]

at the least the game should make you "Pick up and jab, no taking it with you." you're gonna tell me a drug addict's just gonna leave it there on the ground? very dumb.

it doesn't even make thematic sense.

[spice cloud]

It does

Our drugs are better

Why would we take that weak shit?

[timid seal]

clearly not because it doesn't let you replicate med stimms. give your shake a head bud, and quit while you behind.

[spice cloud]

It clearly lets u make stronger stimms.

Only not a health one

However if u are so hellbent on it pick stimm crate and no cartel special and pick up a med stim

And there u have ur team healing

[livid raven]

what's the best brauto for scum again

[spice cloud]

Graia or vraks

Graia if u brace

[livid raven]

uh graia has the same fire rate as the iag vraks if you brace

[spice cloud]

Graia has goated rom if braced

[livid raven]

why would anyone use the brautos again

[spice cloud]

Fun

Bigger mag

[livid raven]

it's not even that much bigger

[spice cloud]

Depending on mark it almost double

[livid raven]

they really should made them actual machine guns

it's more like 20% bigger

[spice cloud]

Idk graia has 74 or smth and the iag i use has öike 39?

So it is quite a bit imo

[livid raven]

i mean you are taking the slow firing iag vs the fastest firing one

if you take the slow firing iag vs the slow firing brauto, they are 37 vs 46

[spice cloud]

Ah well

I mean iag are just better

[rough peak]

at least the agripinaa brauto has stopping power instead of collateral as a main stat

[livid raven]

true

[dim moth]

cleave, suppression, and reserve ammo

[rough peak]

oh yeah, doesn't the agripinaa version have 4.5 cleave or w/e?

[livid raven]

brautos have worse cleave

well not worse

but not really much better

[spice cloud]

Whats better in your opinions? Iag or dual autos?

[livid raven]

agrupppina has 3

iag is better imo

dual autos are pretty cool but the finesse just isn't there

[livid raven]

definitely less clunky for a complete ranged build tho

[spice cloud]

I like iag more aswell

It seems to be better vs elites and specials in general.

But doesnt clear horde as well

[final temple]

It feels both more consistent and more powerful

[livid raven]

yeah it's generally better except against hordes

which still does rather well

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[dim moth]

iag 100%

[livid raven]

also since it doesn't take 10 years to reload you can use 2 strenght/damage blessings

[dim moth]

dual autopistols have the worst crit of any gun in the game p sure

even ogryn guns

[livid raven]

i hear they can't chaincrit

[spice cloud]

I did that anyway i dont feel the reload blessing on the dual autos.

Its super fast anyway

[livid raven]

yeah i did that too

[spice cloud]

I also enjoy the shredder a lot on scum.

[livid raven]

imo it's the worst of the tree but also a good balance between the two

[spice cloud]

All those guns i hated before feel really good on scum in general

[livid raven]

they should just give scum a minigun

[spice cloud]

Its allmost like they were held back by a horrible ammo economy or something.

[dim moth]

ammo economy isn't really holding back guns outside of havoc

[rough peak]

vets that bolter dump every horde:

[dim moth]

that's them being dumb not the guns ammo economy holding them back

that's terrible trigger discipline

[livid raven]

hivescum gets the rumbler. How does this change the meta

[rough peak]

[compact oyster]

the game would be unplayable

[rough peak]

^

[livid raven]

so based

but yeah i hope they will also add new weapons for dlc classes too

if they will ever add a stubber

[dim moth]

stubber would be for 3 classes

SCUM, Arbites, and Veteran

all 3 use heavy stubbers

scum had one in their concept art, veteran still has one on their fucking skill tree art

[livid raven]

i can only dream of holding left click for 10 seconds on a horde with it

[spice cloud]

U gotta admnit that its pretty bad compared to other guns.

And that hivescum enables a different playstyle with those weapons kinda.

[dim moth]

which one?

if you're talking about the shredder autopistol I'm not going to lie and say that it's particularly bad compared to other guns

because it isn't bad

[spice cloud]

Imo all autoguns have bad ammo econ

Especially shredder

[rough peak]

Autopistol is decent if you know what you're doing

[dim moth]

I have to try really hard to run out of ammo on the vigilants and infantry autoguns on exe vet

[spice cloud]

Ill give u that yeah

[dim moth]

Like it takes a long time for them to run out

[spice cloud]

Those are good

[dim moth]

Shredder is kind of in the same boat but a bit less

Can sometimes take more ammo because the spread decides it hates you

[rough peak]

shredder requires better target priority

[spice cloud]

Iag i still think are not that gret tho

Vigilant is ok

[rough peak]

dance of death helps with this on zealot

[dim moth]

why the fuck would I play zealot if I want to use a gun

[rough peak]

Cause it's your backup weapon...?

[spice cloud]

No?

Burn the heretics?

(Im jokin)

(Actually not jokin)

[rough peak]

That sweet sweet 120m sniper sniping

[livid raven]

if people make ranged arbites build (shame on them), why not ranged zealot

[rough peak]

zealot has way less ranged stuff going for them on the talent tree

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/twomad-knife-throw-gif-18410865

[rough peak]

I've gotten snipers on the opposite side of consignment yard cause of dance of death, with the autopistol lol

[dim moth]

or I could play like

veteran

https://fximgur.com/a/cGAG4ZQ

[rough peak]

Yeah, but, then I'd have to play veteran

[livid raven]

apparently you can aim down sighs with weapon customization mod on brauto

[spice cloud]

I honestly enjoy not to ads on the iag.

[dim moth]

still has spread

it's LYING

[livid raven]

yeah i mean

you can aim the vraks too but you can only pray the shot goes in the general direction

i suppose the first shot isn't guaranteed to go where you aim with that

[dim moth]

the vraks has recoil it doesn't have spread

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-recoil-gif-17602980

[muted pivot]

I like both. I feel like VIAG5 wins being the better gun, but Dual Autos has the better subjective feeling. Mainly, determine whether you want significantly better dps, finesse synergy and somewhat better range, or if you want to be able to sprint into their faces without taking your finger off the triggers. Also, dual autos with mag size talent caps out at 69 ammo, so there's that.

[rough peak]

When I scrolled down after typing recoil in the gif search 2/3rds of the gifs appearing started being anime stuff and I had no clue what i was seeing

I was hoping for better gifs showing recoil, but, I got anime instead...

[timid seal]

doing your best Megaman Axl impression never gets old. Dual Autos are the one-stop shop for never dying and never running out of ammo since you get two mags minimum with every specialist kill

[rough peak]

I just liked having the 10 extra bullets for the lulz, I didn't notice what my mag capacity was

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/TeAg.gif

[timid seal]

put ye olde +25% Vs Flak +25% Vs Maniac, Inspiring barrage 4 and blaze away 4 and just become death on two legs.

[rough peak]

I missed that one cause I was so confused by the other gifs x.x

[timid seal]

I'm so sad the scum can't use Spear Bolters but eeeeeeeeh. that talent would make it broken as hell

[muted pivot]

The taxman?

Not such a fan of +maniac though, feel like I get more out of +unyielding

[timid seal]

I dont even care if that setup is lazy, it's just way too fun to turn this game into a round of Rise of the Triad.

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[muted pivot]

Dreg ragers are the only things tough enough and dangerous enough for +maniac to matter on

Everything else gets chewed up fast anyway

[rough peak]

hear me out: trapper racism

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXJ-RUZHV3g Gonna try this instead of Desperado for Havocs for the corruption clean

[dim moth]

almost all specialist enemies are maniacs

[muted pivot]

Trappers die in 0.4s instead of 0.5 then

[timid seal]

I go with +Maniac just because it covers more enemy types. unyielding is...like what. two?

[dim moth]

consider +maniacs as 25% increased damage into specialists

[muted pivot]

Yes, but DAP/VIAG5 kills them so fast anyway

[timid seal]

and +25% Vs flak covers everything else. if you're not shooting Crushers or Flak Ragers in the legs you're already screwing up anyways

[muted pivot]

It's too marginal outside of dragers

Flak ragers are weak in head, not legs

[dim moth]

okay so what the fuck else are you going to be shooting at with IAG that has health

[muted pivot]

Crushers are full carapace

[dim moth]

maniacs/flaks are kind of it

[muted pivot]

Ogryn and bosses

[dim moth]

can't damage carapace with it so

[timid seal]

I mighta been thinking of Maulers. I get the two crossed.

[dim moth]

oh yeah true ogryn

[timid seal]

even then, just hit your F key and drill a hole in the Crusher and call it a day. they die easy. the insane high crit rates will carry it.

[rough peak]

maulers and plasma gunners have flak bodies

[muted pivot]

I'm Desperado so I want to shoot strong lads

[dim moth]

I do have +crit/unyielding on my IAG for psyker/veteran

[muted pivot]

Rending stim if I use DAPs for crushers

[upbeat gyro]

Suprised to see that build doesnt have dance like butterfly, but i suppose the crits from chem dependancy are enough

[muted pivot]

But tbh even with that it still sucks at them lmao

[timid seal]

like I said. F key + crits means Crushers hate you with this one easy life trick

(everything else just dies.)

[muted pivot]

I usually just swap to the shivs and chuck a couple of shitknives at them

Or break out the pocket rocket

[rough peak]

Just have your teammate pop a combat stim on you after you pop the rending stim, then activate desperado for 15% more rending

and it still probably sucks at them...

[livid raven]

ok the agrippina brauto has better aim than the vraks lol

[timid seal]

rocket launcher my beloved whenever I see like 6 friggin crushers walking down a hall.

gotta love the "Nope" button

Lo Wang would be proud

[muted pivot]

Feel like it's necessary for desperado

[rough peak]

Well yeah, it has a slower rate of fire and more damage per shot and better adms to maniac/unyielding/flak

[muted pivot]

You get stopped relatively hard by carapace

But the rocket solves that super well

[livid raven]

they have the same firerate

[timid seal]

one or two is easy. you just pop desperado and go to town on em, let the yellow hit markers take care of it. more than that? nope. boom time.

[rough peak]

Really?

[livid raven]

sorry i meant graia

[rough peak]

Ah

the graia is more accurate

[livid raven]

and with vraks i meant the iag vraks

[rough peak]

and has the most accuracy while braced of the brautos

[timid seal]

you gotta trust that high crit rate more, I'm tellin ya. even Crushers go down to the desperado build. I dont even bother with the other two outside of when I going for achievements.

[livid raven]

also man

i pity the people who like brauto on desperado

this feels like shit to use

[rough peak]

Don't look at me, the 2 dodges are rough on brautos

[dim moth]

yeah after firing half your fucking mag

[rough peak]

Congrats, you killed 1 scab gunner!

[timid seal]

also, the "Common Weapons" have lower damage per bullet than the class specifics. why even use them again...?

that's like choosing the shitty SMG in Mass Effect when the Locust is right there.

[dim moth]

Vraks Infantry Autogun is functionally a direct upgrade to the dual autopistols

high dps, better accuracy, and has real crits

faster reload too

[livid raven]

vraks has much better finesse and crits

[rough peak]

Yeah iags have real crits

[livid raven]

and better adm values in general

[dim moth]

vigilant autoguns are also usually good but uh

not on scum lmao

[timid seal]

mmm. sounds like heresy to me.

[livid raven]

i can see vigiliant autoguns being a valid sidearm for melee scums

[timid seal]

commissar, we have spies about. fire when ready.

[dim moth]

the combat shotguns are also a "these are so good when you're not playing scum" kinda guns

[livid raven]

if, you know

the sneedler didn't exist

[dim moth]

yeah

[timid seal]

double shotgun my beloved

[livid raven]

or the shotguns

or the revolver

[dim moth]

yeah

[timid seal]

also magnum revolver my Psyker's beloved.

[dim moth]

vigilants have no purpose because of pickpocket actually

[timid seal]

(seriously, the staves suck)

[dim moth]

just use the revolver

[rough peak]

triple barreled shotgun

[dim moth]

spend a talent point on pickpocket for it

[timid seal]

pickpocket is too good. here, just ALWAYS have ammo.

[livid raven]

they should buff pickpocket so it also gives you 20% of your magazine back

[dim moth]

it's definitely very good but I think it's also overstated how good it is xd

[timid seal]

now what I'm curious---because I haven't been able to tell---does that stack with Gunslinger? like does Pickpocket refill ally ammo? or is it just pickups.

[dim moth]

no it doesn't

gunslinger only affects ammo pickups

[timid seal]

now I know you're just a chaos spy. easy fix.

[dim moth]

(including ammo crates lol)

[livid raven]

gunslinger explicitly refers to ammo pickups yeah

otherwise you would be an insane ammo battery and vets might aswell all switch to scum

[dim moth]

I think it's overstated how good it is because I play exe vet with shocktrooper constantly

[rough peak]

Does the 15% more mag affect pickpocket, since it increases your total ammo amount by a tiny bit?

[dim moth]

So I am accustomed to infinite ammo on questionably balanced ranged weapons

[timid seal]

si.

[rough peak]

I haven't actually checked

It's an easy test, tho

[timid seal]

getting a refill of double 69 (twice as nice) never gets old. just chain specialist kills and you never run out. desperado does the rest.

honestly not having access to Spear Bolters is a crime on that alone. full auto scum with that would be just a little silly.

as it stands with how goated bolt pistols are, never running out with those is STILL just as nuts.

[livid raven]

bolt pistols?

goated?

https://tenor.com/view/the-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-fresh-prince-bel-air-uncle-phil-uncle-phil-we-gif-17928280954374577895

[muted pivot]

There is so much more to the weapons than the headline damage score

Some of it is displayed (look at those disgusting crit/weakspot/both bonuses on the Vraks IAG)

Some of it not (crit rate, crit string, etc)

[timid seal]

spoken like a heretic who hasn't beheld the warm enduring glow of casting Fireball.

https://tenor.com/view/just-fireball-jocat-fireball-only-fireball-gif-20838934

[muted pivot]

Potent robe/agonising blast boosted Eldritch Blast stuffed full of damage riders is more my speed ATM tbh lol

[timid seal]

yeah but you still get access to (free upcast) fireballs so I give you that

[muted pivot]

10 sorc 2 lock in the endgame atm

[timid seal]

I respect it.

[spark gyro]

It's fun playing as John wick (snub pistols and shiv build)

[livid raven]

Stub pistols

Unless they are pretty rude pistols

[manic wolf]

On melee Scum kinda tbh, explosive B-pistol to not have to feel bad about taking RPG over Blackouts

Not like you ever really use it to kill stuff outside the odd sniper, just as a disruption tool

[muted pivot]

On the other hand, mark 2 needle passively farms sample collector

Which feels great

[manic wolf]

Needle pistol doesnt tickle the Ork brain, erefore I don't use it

Like its fucking strong, but man its so un-fulfilling to play, no boom, no fanfare, stuff does'nt explode in a violent manner. Just kinda boring

[main wagon]

I dont use the needle pistol because firing two shots just for someone else to dumpster my enemy and rook me out of dopamine hurts my soul

[upbeat gyro]

Can notice im still fresh to havocs, first over 20 one and i had to take break after it to chill bit

Tried the stimm supply Vraks IAG, and few awkward moments where i ran out of ammo, as i was shooting into rotten crushers and didnt score the kills

So ran out of ammo

Desperado certainly handles those ammo situations better

[muted pivot]

Pickpocket can cover any build that isn't just full range focus

[rancid coral]

I don't think it's worth to use anything else than needle pistol on stimm supply builds

It's a little silly

[muted pivot]

Needle is a cheat code into literally any enemy that appears on the kill feed

[rancid coral]

True

Pickpocket needs nerfing xddddd

[muted pivot]

The more I play Scum the more I feel like we're the secret OP class

It's just so highly strung that if you slip you're dead

Also rampage adrenaline shivs with Emperor's Favoured on Mortis is a trip

Swimming through rivers of blood

[astral fiber]

That is indeed how glass cannons feel typically

And why some people despise balancing them

[muted pivot]

Speedy glass cannons in particular

my favourite playstyle lol

[dim moth]

I still don't think this is the actual problem with gu nscum

infinite ammo is hardly a new thing

[rancid coral]

Pickpocket needs nerfing regardless of gunscum

[dim moth]

and the only class who has infinite ammo that is considered overpowered is psyker

and the infinite ammo is not the biggest factor into them being overpowered

it's soulblaze, and talents like empathic evasion that allow them to ignore game mechanics

veteran isn't considered overpowered just because shocktrooper gives them infinite ammo

[rancid coral]

Me when I'm forced into a specific bunch of weapons, with lots of tax nodes to win "essentially" infinite ammo

And I compare it to 1 blue talent from scum and still does worse than that single 1 blue talent

[dim moth]

the only tax node there is this loser

and fun fact hyper crit and most of left side for scum is also tax nodes that aren't relevant for most builds

you have to take dead nodes to get infinite ammo for both of them

[rancid coral]

5% crit chance is not a tax node

[dim moth]

Ammo Jack, and Unload kind of suck, and Swift Endurance basically requires you to run stamina curios to get real value out of it

[muted pivot]

Attack speed from stamina is great for any build iirc

[dim moth]

And of those three the only one that doesn't force you to spend another point on Hyper Critical (again might not be relevant to your build) is Ammo Jack

Shock Trooper is one point further down however since it's below the 0.5s stamina regen delay

[rancid coral]

It's still an aura + a talent vs a talent

And the aura + talent is not true infinite

[dim moth]

You don't need the aura for veteran to have infinite ammo with las weapons

Sure helps tho

[muted pivot]

Veteran has more highly desirable talents for all builds deep in every leg though

[dim moth]

Yeah

[muted pivot]

It feels like a lot of points

[dim moth]

Shock Trooper is ultimately a minor priority simply because veteran has so many better talents

[muted pivot]

Since it might cost you Onslaught or the elites/monsters bonus

[dim moth]

Onslaught is not one of those talents

[muted pivot]

It can be for Recon, no?

[dim moth]

shit like Exploit Weakness/Agile Engagement is what you give up for Shock Trooper

[muted pivot]

Arguably Vraks

[dim moth]

I do actually willingly path down there on melee builds myself tho

I don't like taking BiD since middle tree is dead to me

I play exe stance all the damn time

So I usually spend the points I save from that to get the stamina regen delay to spam push attacks on chain axe/knife

[spice cloud]

Thank u. Finally someone agrees with me

[dim moth]

Like I don't take pickpocket on my melee scum builds because why the fuck would I

I'm meleeing things

[rancid coral]

Ammo jack is defenitely not a dead node in stimm supply tho

[dim moth]

I use my gun for what I need to use it for and otherwise never touch it

[rancid coral]

You're gonna be shooting needle 24/7 anyways

[dim moth]

Oh you think spamming needle is good that's why

[rancid coral]

If stimm supply yes

Rampage/Desperado defenitely no

[dim moth]

You lose damage doing that compared to just melee with coated weaponry on bonesaw/shivs

Almost entirely because of the constant reloading

[muted pivot]

Is coated worth it on the saw?

[rancid coral]

Slap le 10% reload speed on it

And the ammo jack helps with reloading less

[muted pivot]

Since it already does like 3 stacks per bonk iirc?

[rancid coral]

Ofc include stimm crate explosion

And that's it, Havoc rotten armour is solved as easily

[muted pivot]

Is crate explosion good, then?

I was avoiding it

[dim moth]

kind of?

7 tox stacks is a fuckton of damage

[rancid coral]

It does require the linger talent tbh

But it does save you from using a grenade, for example

[dim moth]

but it's finnicky to use and not always helpful

I use blinders so that I can heavy stagger armor packs into it

[rancid coral]

Very good against rotten armour

Else it's dubious to pick

I only pick it when rotten armour

Since rotten does not reduce DoT damage for some reason

[dim moth]

until they patch it to make it even worse

[rancid coral]

(yay fatshark thanks for buffing rotten and making it resist melee!!! Everyone loved that)

[rancid coral]

This would be good if

And only if

They made all rotten count as infested

Why did they not do it yet idk

It's literally the easiest and best way

Make rotten count as infested and you remove 70% of the issues it has

[muted pivot]

I feel like linger is essential anyway

[spice cloud]

I use it with saw and crate yeah.

Feels good dunno about numbers.

[dim moth]

3 stacks on crit instead of 2 upgrades it from "one shot trash enemies" to "one shot gunners"

just by touching them with a crit

[final temple]

the booby trap is trash, not because of 7 stacks but because of the mechanic of the delayed explosion. unless you deliberately go out of your way to drop it away from your team the team itself will kill what is right on top of it before the trap goes boom.

it needs sth like a trigger, ie you drop it and after let’s say 1s it explodes if an enemy is in the radius (needs a bigger radius too!) and leaves behind a cloud of gas for 4s

[muted pivot]

I guess if you did like a pure CDR stimm and just made it a repeating bomb with a shorter cs

Cd

[livid raven]

that makes the booby trap work but it means you have functionally no ability

[final temple]

the booby trap build is to simply drop your stim to a single node and then spam it via deployment

[livid raven]

nor a stim

like

just take the blinders at that point

[final temple]

yeah. the whole concept of the trap is counterintuitive to what the supply actually offers

you either waste your ability or you waste the talent point

[dim moth]

it's not awful for dealing with armor packs

every other circumstance is eeeeeh

[muted pivot]

Yeah that was my intuition too. It might be worthwhile if you're fighting all crushers all day

[final temple]

even then, your team tends to rush the crushers before you get swarmed by a mixed horde to pick them off. this is just not reflective of an actual gameplan.

[dim moth]

yeah I use blinders to knock down crushers and maulers so they're guaranteed to get hit by the stimm supply

[final temple]

that’s why I suggested the shortened delay, so you drop the crate on top of the crusher wall

and even then there is the whole issue that it becomes a very situational gimmick if you cannot spam it readily due to high viscosity

I’d much rather the trap gets reworked into let’s say allowing to pick up a dose of your supply for your team instead of consuming it immediately (you still consume it right away yourself) and it locks out each other with fast acting

idk. anything but a clunky mechanic that doesn’t work out most of the time.

[muted pivot]

Tac axe Vs combat axe for a rampage build? And do they build the same? What mark of tac axe?

[willow violet]

Oh mai lawd geezus

is there a mod which turns off the double barrel's terrible screen shake?

[livid raven]

can't you just turn off screen shake in the settings

[lilac ermine]

Rotten armor should resist melee

[willow violet]

its off

[main trellis]

It does

[lilac ermine]

But some ppl was saying it shouldnt

[main trellis]

Well; it was bugged before
Now its working as intended

[livid raven]

i wonder if it really was bugged before

because it worked the same way when it was added as a trial in normal matches

[lilac ermine]

Before it just mess up psyker and vets

[livid raven]

did fatshark really not find out back then

[main trellis]

Or they added extra to it and fabricated a ‚fix’

We’ll never know (code should tell)

[lilac ermine]

Bc ppl get angry when you say buffed havoc mode

[pulsar aspen]

People are generally angry at Rotten Armour because they can't one shot it.

That is how it sounds like all the time.

[dim moth]

well yes kind of

because rotten armour means that every horde is a mixed horde of these huge carapace swarms

before it was managable because you could just melee them

now you have to use the best anti-carapace tools in the game or you will get overwhelmed

Or you need very very strong DoT like scum's chem toxin

or a psyker abusing uncanny+soulblaze

if you don't have ways to ignore their damage reduction you just kinda die

[main trellis]

Nobody does that in the wild unironically

[main trellis]

TFW mfs don’t include no CC in their class that can have some

And wonder why they lose everytime

[dim moth]

every source of CC that can keep crushers stunned is temporary, or limited use

(except smite psyker lmao)

[lilac ermine]

Trauama psyker can infinite lock them

[main trellis]

Its still there & gives room & time needed to kill them
Its crucial

[main trellis]

Not really cause stagger immunity to that specific stagger type they were subjected to exists
3s immune atleast after stagger wears off for ogryns

[lilac ermine]

Idk I have trauma psykers and they seem invincible in rotten armor

[spice cloud]

I LOVE to have smyker when im ogryn.

[elfin root]

whats the difference between the two needle guns?

[spice cloud]

One does more dmg in single target mode the other in the explosion mode i think.

[dim moth]

Mk VI has more stacks on headshot/crit
Mk II has a better alt fire

[elfin root]

Thabk you sire. I shall equip the mkVI

[main trellis]

Go to psykanium & see for yourself; fully charge a trauma on a crusher & ogryn after they stand up; you’ll see what i mean

[exotic temple]

I prefer caxe Rashad is good but antax works too

[lilac ermine]

Im in school

[main trellis]

After school then

[lilac ermine]

I have after school school

[muted pivot]

I figured between the combat axes, Rashad is a no brainer

Outside of low weapon level, levelling scenarios where Antax is better due to low modifier bars

[main trellis]

The problem with antax (and achlyss) caxe is that their heavies are more ‚sticky’ than Rashads aka they take longer to chain heavies (i dunno if thats intended or an oversight and no; finesse att spd increase has nothing to do with it)

Not to mention antax has cleave targets instead of finesse which is the main reason its in the dumpster and not rashad

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[thorny ginkgo]

what does more damage autopistols or vrak IAG

[muted pivot]

Vraks afaik under most circumstances

DAP niche is more mobility

[dim moth]

vraks

[muted pivot]

You can use either but Vraks is the way for maximum damage

[thorny ginkgo]

i figured thanks

[unreal stirrup]

https://youtu.be/6cT6_92u5kg?si=cgVPnECpR3FP36Lk

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-let's-take-a-look-let's-take-a-peek-skeleton-running-peak-game-gif-8302872191306117493

Banger mod?

[unreal stirrup]

maybe

I haven't play with it myself since burnout

[sturdy marsh]

Having to play uprising again is mind numbing

[leaden fable]

Just focus on barreling your teammates, then speed run

[sturdy marsh]

Now that's a good idea

[leaden fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[sturdy marsh]

What nakes it worse is I did account mirroring. So I'm lvl 30 on uprising

[main trellis]

Toxic

[limber cradle]

Tbf

When you're on your 5th match in a row of smykers I get it

[main trellis]

No excuse

[limber cradle]

I'm not saying it isn't toxic

I do understand it tho

[sturdy marsh]

For the shivs do y'all use precog or riposte? Or does it matter?

[leaden fable]

I don't deliberately barrel anyone tbh if I'm disliking how my team operates I just leave without a word

[limber cradle]

Riposte, personally. You could make a case for precog

[main trellis]

Precog; you already have such high crit chance

[limber cradle]

I normally leave smykers to die tbh

[sturdy marsh]

Cool thanks

[limber cradle]

I'll just walk past what they're smiting

[leaden fable]

I will leave someone being exceptionally toxic or shitty on the ground

[limber cradle]

Nah not on the ground

But like

I will walk past all the smited enemies if it's constant

[leaden fable]

Like someone taking literally every resource or talking shit in chat gets left on the ground lol

[leaden fable]

True I just assume they got that haha

Granted I tend to do that with teammates if I see the fighting something I think is reasonable for them to handle

[limber cradle]

I wish smite had better design

[sturdy marsh]

I thought when I mirrored my account that I was going to have a bunch of mats so I could just upgrade everything immediately. I had 30 diamantine

[leaden fable]

It's thematically cool and I love the visuals but I do hate that it's essentially turning the game off

[limber cradle]

Same

Like it is simply not fun to be in a lobby with

Ignoring all the "it turns my buffs off and steals last hits" if I wanted to kill enemies who cant fight back i can sit in psyk

[leaden fable]

Inferno staff is just as bad imo

[sturdy marsh]

Is it smite fun to play? I've never tried it

[limber cradle]

Inferno Staff and Desp Scum are their own issue

[livid raven]

yes very

[leaden fable]

Everything is staggered, I cannot see, psyker moves at 2 mph and everything slowly takes damage

[limber cradle]

You hold a button

It's not like, the epitome of gameplay or anything imo

[sturdy marsh]

Yeah that's part of the reason I never tried it lol

[lilac ermine]

Guys I was playing with lvl 5000 smite psyker and they were ok

[dim moth]

I'd say in short bursts yeah

It being so braindead gets to you after a bit

[limber cradle]

Ok how?

Mentally? I think not.

[dim moth]

But the fact that enemies fuckin' explode into gore from lightning damage is very nice

[lilac ermine]

They use smite for 1 second and run at enemy with melee

[limber cradle]

Yeah that's not a smyker tho

[unreal stirrup]

good smite player?

[limber cradle]

Thats a psyker who uses smite

[unreal stirrup]

in this economy?

[lilac ermine]

I think it was melee psyker they didnt have bubble

It was the skull ability for psyker

[pulsar aspen]

Smykers are very elusive creatures. They have a tendency to just..disappear.

[unreal stirrup]

glaze

[lilac ermine]

I added them I think there famous

[unreal stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1421253376951324834/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-09-27_4-52-52_AM.mp4?ex=6971f39a&is=6970a21a&hm=3d5b72a5ea2ae7cecd617e07da8341f9473dce9d0e3b28dc1b09eeaaaf075261&

[pulsar aspen]

Very impressive gameplay.

[unreal stirrup]

why are smyker like this

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[unreal stirrup]

😔

[dire badge]

me playing this leaf in the wind type class https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cZkzjjHxfMM

[pulsar aspen]

Well i think the idea is this. The smyker keeps everything stunned and going close to the Chaos Spawn could disrupt that, so, someone else has to do it.

[dim moth]

My idea for this smyker is that every single barrel will blow up next to them mysteriously

[final temple]

The Beneficient Emperor tells us: Suffer not the Smyker to live.

[pulsar aspen]

@dim moth That is sabotage i will not support any of that.

[vapid jungle]

Smite was pissing me off more than normal yesterday. Netted on gloriana staircase after somehow fighting my way out of the dead end hallway with 2 monstrosities and a psyker loads in and smites directly on top of me. Doesn't get me out of net we die and wipe.

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-my-computer-gif-18858423

[dim moth]

that's the one thing that other people do that consistently makes me snap at them

is using chorus/smite and then not just fucking reviving me themselves

[vapid jungle]

That is my pet peeve PICK ME UP ITS LESS THAN ONE SECOND

[pulsar aspen]

They channel their thing of course, to keep all the enemies stunned so someone else can pick them up.

That is the thinking process.

[vapid jungle]

He was the only other person alive.

There is rarely a justification for taking an action other than picking up someone netted if they are close to you.

It is simply poor play regardless of class build playstyle IQ

[pulsar aspen]

I wouldn't say it is poor play, it sounds more like the player simply didn't know what to do or was too slow or too afraid to do what you considered to be necessary.

[vapid jungle]

Poor play.

[limber cradle]

Tbf we all fuck up sometimes

[livid raven]

me when i draw my smite/book and use them in bad situations so that if everything goes bad and we wipe, it's not my fault because i was doing the thing

[limber cradle]

If i get dropped into the middle of a fucked mission I fuck up too

[vapid jungle]

Do you smite on top of the only other living person who is netted?

[limber cradle]

I mean

Wasn't it poor play to get hit by a net?

[vapid jungle]

Oh naturally I need to be better.

[limber cradle]

To actually answer your question tho I do not play psyker

[pulsar aspen]

Well yes of course, you need to be better.

[vapid jungle]

But at a certain point you will be dogged and netted.

[pulsar aspen]

But the psyker ALSO needs to be better.

[limber cradle]

And we all learn together, slowly.

Painfully.

[vapid jungle]

And your teammates need to make the right decision. Which smite was not.

[limber cradle]

Speak for yourself, i turn incorpeal when nets come for me.

[uncut sphinx]

Scummers, does vultues push work on rager flurries?

leftside bottom keystone addnode

[mighty belfry]

Stagger is very weak

Vultures Push is pointless right now.

[uncut sphinx]

but does it stagger them out of the flurry?

[mighty belfry]

Nope.

There's not a lot it actually will stagger.

It's a dead node. Even Kuli's guide bluntly says it hardly does anything.

[livid raven]

it's a meme

it's not often Kuli goes out of script to tell you it's trash, but he did for vulture's push

[uncut sphinx]

fair, just wanted to check

since i couldn't test it while in the flurry in the canium

[mighty belfry]

#veteran-class message speak for yourself

[limber cradle]

Trappers shoot through walls a lot lately

[mighty belfry]

That wasn't even recently

That was last year.

[limber cradle]

That was like

What 4 months ago?

5?

Idk

[mighty belfry]

Definitely before Scum update

[limber cradle]

Tbh I don't even care to descend into the normal commentary

[mighty belfry]

Which just made specialists worse.

[limber cradle]

Game is dumb and broken

Yk it

Ik it

Fatshark won't fix it in any reasonable amount of time

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle Trappers can even shoot through objects you consider to be solid..

[limber cradle]

I'm very aware lmfao

[pulsar aspen]

There these containers in the torrent.

Those are apparently not net-proof.

[limber cradle]

The literal only way to guarantee you're not getting hit by a net is to not be there

At all.

[mighty belfry]

Like, I can understand why what happened to me in that video happened, even if it's an extremely jank reason.

But trappers recently have been getting shots that have regularly had my jaw drop.

[limber cradle]

I really want to know what went wrong with scumdate

[mighty belfry]

Tech debt.

[limber cradle]

Like why did adding a new class fundamentally shatter the specialists and elites

[limber cradle]

Ik but the actual

Hour long YouTube deep dive, yk?

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle To make everyone rant about how weak the class is of course

[limber cradle]

They'd have done that anyway

[leaden fable]

Because we now get to one shot all of them very quickly with shivs that still work well against armor

Granted assail been doing half of that for free at range for over a year

But it still feels like cheating after playing slow weapons on zealot ngl

[limber cradle]

Thammer will suffer for your sins

[leaden fable]

We will suffer together because I'm not putting it back down lmao

[limber cradle]

Fym together

I'm playing elden ring

[tropic crag]

lately every time i try to play elden ring i end up just playing nightreign while listening to elden ring lore

[limber cradle]

I play NR if people ask but playing NR just makes me want to play ER tbh

[tropic crag]

same tbh, which is why i listen to ER lore when i play it, but right now my characters are in a bad spot where i have like 2 at the start of the game and others on different ng+ cycles so no characters in the sweet spot

[leaden fable]

Me and my thammer ofc

[limber cradle]

I sat down and did borderline all of thr content on a new character in the last week

[limber cradle]

Okay good

[tropic crag]

lol yeah sometimes i can do that but i've done it enough times that now i really have to be in the mood, i'm just glad nightreign is there to kind of be a low investment quick fix for when i want it

[limber cradle]

Nah I get it

I just

Hate not having My Build

Wylder is very fun otherwise tho

[tropic crag]

with the addition of the new nun lady i have at least one of my builds lol

and i guess i can always go full fist weapon on the raider but its hard to find fist weapons in nightreign

[limber cradle]

Nah like I play greatsword knight man in most souls games, I just like having minor casting too

[tropic crag]

i'm always full strength fist weapons for my first playthrough, then usually some holy build, then i start just doing other things

my first souls character ever was a guy named "Bruce Hamfist" so i make every first character after in honor of him and his punching ways

[limber cradle]

Ds2 and ER have actually fun fist weapons tbh

[tropic crag]

honestly yeah... i think i had the worst time in DS3

[elfin root]

What are you guys talking about?

[tropic crag]

souls games for a bit

[elfin root]

Dark souls?

AH ER IS ELDEN RING

I love spiked fists

[limber cradle]

I love Dryleaf arts

[elfin root]

I kinda made an int build tho.... with no spells

Er being the only souls game i played btw

[tropic crag]

ER has the best basic caestus in the series i think

[tropic crag]

its doable technically

[limber cradle]

Build rn

Debating going to 200 instead of 150

[elfin root]

Yeah like using that sword that shoots waves, forgot the name

[limber cradle]

Moonlight

[tropic crag]

with the dlc i like going to 200 because alot of the weapons are hard to fit in at 150 with the requirements

[elfin root]

Moon something

[limber cradle]

I think in ER it's Dark Moon

[elfin root]

In the other hand the staff that boosts damage by 50%

[limber cradle]

They're just

More specific builds tbh

[elfin root]

Heavy armor and lots of vigor

And just did tons of damage

[tropic crag]

lol battlemage

[elfin root]

Yup

Just beat the hard mode twins today with some friends

Damn i like hive scum for the easy mauler/scab rager removal and the insane dmg output

[tropic crag]

i've really been enjoying the chaxe on scum

[elfin root]

For the time being when im not doing... stupid fights like twins, im trying to get all hivescum specific weapons to max mastery.
Got half so far, need crowbar, like 4 more levels on bonesaw, and dual stubs.

[tropic crag]

lol i'm so lazy about mastery now adays that it made me recently poor enough i had to play some havoc for the weekly rewards to restock

i'm just like "i'm gonna try this weapon now" and dump resources into making it maxed out

i did do like half the weapons normally before getting lazy tho

[muted pivot]

I mean, once you got enough hours, you can totally just rush all of them

[livid raven]

yeah

which is not many, even

[tropic crag]

yeah but the dlc classes keep making me have to actually stop spending it all mindlessly sometimes, i got under 20k plasteel recently

i'm back at like 35k atm

[livid raven]

me when i rolled weapons at lv1 for hivescum without knowing the math is skewed to fuck you over at lv1

[tropic crag]

i always just play around with what i find or buy straight from the shop till 30

[verbal dew]

yeah I tried for 3 mil to get a 76 weapon at lvl 1

then I got two from mission rewards later

[final temple]

I want a 21% health curio. fucking drops like candy on every other class but scum

[verbal dew]

bistol desperado is my new stupid binge, you really can just slap some stuff together and it just performs

[tropic crag]

lol i found 2 while checking the shops from time to time for toughness curio on scum

[dreamy rover]

Its a drag looking for the highest percentage toughness for classes

[bronze glade]

It’s good to see people coming around to bistol desp

[livid raven]

wow that sounds trash, give me the recipe

[tropic crag]

i settle for 15% and then just check from time to time when i'm playing after that, its fast that way tbh

[bronze glade]

Your desperado build and explodey bistol with lethal prox and execution

That’s it

[livid raven]

dump stat is collat on that?

[bronze glade]

Mobility

[livid raven]

what's the logic behind the build

[bronze glade]

You’re hood trauma psyker

[livid raven]

so you suck against elites

this doesn't run vulture then

[bronze glade]

Just aim for the head

Bistol has good elite damage except maybe crusher

You can stagger everything besides ogryn and bosses anyway

Good horde clear too

[livid raven]

will test and then complain how it's worse than iag vraks, will be right back

[bronze glade]

Vraks 🥱

[livid raven]

does that use chem dep

[bronze glade]

I think I use vulture

Crit isn’t particularly important

[livid raven]

by the icons it looks like chemdep

the third looks like a stack of it

[bronze glade]

Oh yah that’s dep

Idr what I run now though

Either is prob fine

I don’t think it really matters

[verbal dew]

I aim for nothing with bistol

I use vulture

[lilac ermine]

Do some ppl use chem dependency and desperado

[bronze glade]

It’s good for crit and cdr

So it works

[lilac ermine]

Do you think better than vulture

15% dmg, 15% crit, 15% movespeed, 15% toughness on kills v. 30% cd, 15% crit, 15% damage reduce

[bronze glade]

Up to you prob

Though bistol can’t really make use of vultures dodge

[lilac ermine]

Vulture has alot of ability downtime

[bronze glade]

I do like the move speed tho

[lilac ermine]

Ill try both ive been using shredder auto pistol with desperado

[main trellis]

I would say vultures is better than chem demp for bruhistol cause dmg increase with crit

While chem demp is just crit

Still a meme build

[rough peak]

Also you don't need the subnodes as well, right?

so that's free talent points to put elsewhere

[main trellis]

Yes; vultures is almost like WS; you don’t take any subnodes & you’re still good

• vulture subnodes are mega doodoo

Might aswell not exist

[rough peak]

Meanwhile when I take chem dep I end up wanting at least 2, but, I like that 4th stack with a crate build for 5% more crit and tdr

[main trellis]

Imagine waiting for your own buffs

[rough peak]

At least with chem dep you can start the ball rolling at the very start of the mission, so the max buffs happen sooner

[livid raven]

ok i tried

this is stupid

i thought iag was mindless

this is pure lobotomite stuff lol

man, imagine if pocket toxin worked with it

also cool customization options

[verbal dew]

I might try with chem dep actually

[rough peak]

It's funny to me how the bolt pistol killed them faster

[livid raven]

also man, i wish this bolt pistol had like

5 more shots in the magazine

[low harbor]

10r mag boltpistol would be nice

[lilac ermine]

it do kind of

All explosions with lethal proximity have 25% more radius so your black out grenades and rockets have 25% more radius to apply pocket toxin

[verbal dew]

this was prob my bistolest run

2/4 weakspot/crit rate

[bronze glade]

Yup. Like I said, it’s just hood trauma psyker

[bronze glade]

Tbf dep for bistol is mostly for the desp uptime

But I think either keystone works well

[verbal dew]

ye I have decent uptime on vultures

I love enchanced descriptions version of this talent

barely anything

[tropic crag]

honestly tho? if that skill actually shoved everything around it would be crazy strong, like too strong

[exotic temple]

I think that’s why they nerfed it as hard as they did. Media build it was far more potent and it was broken

[tropic crag]

yeah i think it was a "hey this is a cool idea!" and they only realized how bad it is in practice later

"bad" as in "broken op"

[exotic temple]

And I like cool ideas but I don’t get the feeling there is a lot of qc going into these patches

[lilac ermine]

It should give 3 toxin stack to all enemys at your location

[exotic temple]

Like its end of the talent tree it should be pretty good it should certainly not be so useless

[exotic temple]

Just drop a blinder at your feet on like a 5 sec cooldown or something

If you have pocket toxin then 3 stacks

[tropic crag]

i'd rather they just replace it with something else but that may be too much work depending on whatever else they are working on

[exotic temple]

For a premium class they shouldnt have garbo talents in the keystones.

[tropic crag]

game design is hard lol, no one is gonna get only hits, theres gonna be some misses

[verbal dew]

yeah I'm just running the 8 to 12 secs

[exotic temple]

Not every talent gotta be a home run I’ll take a punt here and there

[verbal dew]

and even that is mid

[tropic crag]

honestly the hive tree is like 90% home runs so its hard to get too upset over a few duds in the batch

[livid raven]

untouchable became untouched as soon as it stopped being a taxnode

[tropic crag]

yeah that node feels like not a good node at all, i'm glad its over on the side like that

[exotic temple]

Untouchable seems like a grief node. That’s the one where you dump aggro right?

[tropic crag]

while sprinting

[lilac ermine]

Yea

[astral canyon]

Whats the db desperado build

[tropic crag]

honestly, in that portion of the tree i just take jittery and tis but a scratch and then grab my aura

sorry

not jittery

nimble

[lilac ermine]

But jittery so good

[tropic crag]

nimble is way better tbh

at least how i play

[exotic temple]

Right the only use case for ut is to do a backstab build but that’s superjanky

[tropic crag]

you'd be better of just taking nimble and circling things

[lilac ermine]

Do you think they should make precision violence but for ranged

Toughness on hit with ranged

[astral canyon]

No

[tropic crag]

gunscum already has toughness back from ranged enough

[lilac ermine]

When im against bosses theres no way to regen toughness except take precision violence

Against bosses with ranged build

[tropic crag]

hit all the things around the boss

[lilac ermine]

Sometimes theres not any thing rlly to kill like just crusher and bosses

[tropic crag]

then you probably don't need the toughness back faster than team regen will already give you?

[fast surge]

if there isnt much you dont need the toughness then

[exotic temple]

With vm and vot you get 30% t back on elite kills

[lilac ermine]

I thought team regen only works out of combat

[exotic temple]

I also take precision violence on my ranged builds to get flab

[lilac ermine]

Elite kills with ranged weapon its hard to kill crusher packs with my uzi

[lilac ermine]

I said if bosses and crusher packs

[exotic temple]

But that’s what rpg is for. I think it still counts as ranged too

[lilac ermine]

Is team regen work in combat

[tropic crag]

it works as long as you don't take any damage and stay in coherency

if you like leave coherency for a second and dip back in it restarts the timer i think

so you can't get pinged by gunfire or anything for a bit

but you can trigger it in combat, just not when you're actually in trouble because its very slow to start

[lilac ermine]

It says coherency regen is blocked by nearby enemies

[main trellis]

Not required nor that substantial

[tropic crag]

but you're ranged build i thought

[main trellis]

The most efficient way

[lilac ermine]

Yh but when im fighting boss

Some of them just stay on you

[tropic crag]

if theres not enough on the field to regen and its just a boss you should be able to regen with coherency

then pull out a melee weapon and kill it

put confident strike on that weapon if you need

like if you're not using your melee weapon for damage you may as well build it for living

[lilac ermine]

Do shivs even have confident strike

[tropic crag]

you could use not shivs if they don't, i can't remember

like if i run gunscum i run shivs only because i pull them out alot to kill things, if you aren't doing that then pick a weapon that does what you need it to do when you find yourself in that situation

at least thats how i make builds, i try to fill holes that my own playstyle or the other weapons leave

[exotic temple]

Pv is pretty much all the recovery you need in melee for desp scum

[lilac ermine]

Bruh none of hive scums weapons have confident strike

Its just an ogryn thing

[tropic crag]

i'd agree tbh, i don't run confident strikes on anything anymore because all the classes have enough built in

[brittle sierra]

Then scum will dethrone Psyker as the most busted class in the game

[tropic crag]

i thought i saw it on crowbar? but maybe i'm wrong

[exotic temple]

I wish toxic renewal wasn’t at the bottom of the tree

[tropic crag]

but you can still run safer weapons than the shiv, like one of the axes would probably work or heavy sword for horde safety or chainsword for more general safety

[lilac ermine]

R u ogryn main

[exotic temple]

You could throw a knife at something then stab its face for 27% of your toughness back

[tropic crag]

i just don't run confident strike on anything for the past like year and some change since some changes came through so i didn't check if it was on any scum weapons

i blank ALOT of blessings because i don't find them useful

so they all blend together

[exotic temple]

Yep you are an ogryn main

[tropic crag]

i'm more a slayer main

which is why i'm more of a scum main in this game

because i can just stick chaxe on and win

[lilac ermine]

Wait how without precision violence

[exotic temple]

That what I’m saying if toxic renewal wasn’t buried at the bottom of the tree it would be more easy to take both pv and tr

[tropic crag]

like i'm currently having the easiest time with a rampage chaxe scum in havocs because it fits my playstyle the best

[lilac ermine]

Oh ok toxic renewal and all those are so far away

Voice of tertium and vultures mark both need ranged kills to even give toughness

[tropic crag]

how are you not just dodging the boss forever tho?

[lilac ermine]

So when hive scum isnt getting ranged kills then they start die without precision

[exotic temple]

Right but I think one of the rifles has inspiring barrage

[lilac ermine]

Cause I fight the boss and not just run like some ppl

[tropic crag]

my question remains the same

[lilac ermine]

Ppl dont just not get hit at all

[tropic crag]

like if its just a boss, and a couple of crushers, you shouldn't be going down even if you can't regen unless you're making alot of mistakes in a row

i'm not calling you bad, because we all make mistakes

but i do think its a problem that isn't really a problem in the tree or build if that makes sense

[lilac ermine]

In havoc scum gets killed in like 2 poxwalker hits

[exotic temple]

Yeah uzis have inspiring barrage

[tropic crag]

on some builds, you can survive a good bit more than that with rampage builds and even kind of on box builds depending on how you did things

like i'm finding i'm having the comfiest time in havoc on rampage scum with the chaxe

[lilac ermine]

Inspiring barrage isnt give toughness

It gives toughness regen from coherency

[tropic crag]

but honestly you should be dodging nearly all attacks a boss throws at you if you're playing havocs

like if its just you a boss and a crushers

[lilac ermine]

Melee scum kind of easy against bosses

[tropic crag]

even a shield arby can dodge what i'm saying tho

they just have to be cleaner about it

[exotic temple]

Umm are you sure? The way it’s written and when I used it in the past it was a flat recovery

[tropic crag]

i think its just the hypothetical i'm getting caught on because there isn't enough to kill to get back toughness but enough to be a danger... if i die in those situations i blame myself for mistakes

[livid raven]

i blame the game and the teammates actually

[low harbor]

??

[exotic temple]

And since you mag dump all the time it should insane levels of toughness back

[tropic crag]

you can blame its alright, i walk off ALOT of cliffs during critical moments

[low harbor]

inspiring barrage is toughness replenishment

not coherency regen

[lilac ermine]

Cause this what someone said in forum

[low harbor]

wrong

[livid raven]

that kinda comes out of nowhere

[tropic crag]

their math is already wrong so i'd question it even tho i dont' know how it works lol... the way they wrote it here it would half your regen and not give it a boost lol

[livid raven]

their math is right, they just didn't express themselves that well

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

[tropic crag]

like it would be 1.5 x regen rate

not .5 x regen rate

[livid raven]

it would be your regen rate + 0.5 x regen rate

[astral canyon]

Doesnt really matter cause theyre completely incorrect

[livid raven]

but i dunno why anyone would think it boosts your coherency regen