hivescum-class

[limber cradle]

I run health almost entirely cause of bursters tbh

[final temple]

and in consequence, supply scum has become a welcome sight during corr conditions in havoc

[north crow]

that is why I have HP over stam on scum yea

[limber cradle]

Vet health means one fuck up or bad teammate in havoc and you're dead to a burster

[north crow]

because when you fail to

burster will murder your ass without extra HP

buggy bursters are literally the biggest threat on havoc

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[final temple]

I run 3x17 and 3x5% health

[limber cradle]

Please fix them fs

[limber cradle]

I did this at one point tbh

Well

[teal quartz]

I just picked up the corr removal perk, I havent had a chance to even try it yet

[limber cradle]

2x17s with 1x3 stam with 3x5hps

[final temple]

I don’t really feel like I can make good use of extra stam. swift endurance makes all weapons feel fine for me on base stam

[limber cradle]

tbh i like the other QoLs stam has like "shift+w is fun" and "oh fuck i need to block that rn or im dead"

its rare but it happens

[north crow]

stam crit shiv covers all my stamina needs

well stam, crit has nothing to do with 😄

crit I need to reach the 67% threshold

[astral canyon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/964267145678716991/1294415454730846262/togif.gif?width=717&height=999

Begone

[north crow]

https://observablehq.com/@manuelblanc/pseudo-random-distribution

67% is the magic number you wanna attain

[fervent flint]

is dual smg focused build possible?

or does it falloff on higher diff

[brittle sierra]

All range scum builds are about the same

[keen timber]

I think double barrel might be the strongest option

[pallid quail]

i took it into a 40 a couple weeks ago. it was surprisingly effective

[brittle sierra]

No it's explosive bolt pistol

Trust 😈

[keen timber]

Well

Triple barrel actually

[fervent flint]

would boom bringer be better than chem grenades for gun builds

[bronze glade]

possibly

since gun builds' biggest threat is crushers

i think either works tho

[keen timber]

I think they do very similar jobs

[main trellis]

its not would
it is

[limber cradle]

I like rocket for gun builds tbh

Solves the one issue they have

[bronze glade]

i prefer tox nades because i like making heretics die slowly and painfully

[reef spoke]

I use blackouts and just stab them to death

[exotic temple]

I get the feeling that’s what you are supposed to do but big boom is just easier.

[north crow]

Usually you are the only person on your havoc team with nades

Letting he most OP blitzes go to waste would be unwise

[mighty belfry]

Ima be real, I've been preferring blackouts more and more on melee builds

Like I know the other two are just

[pearl cliff]

Understandable

[mighty belfry]

Stronger

[north crow]

blackout is definitely good

[mighty belfry]

But blackouts provide a utility for melee builds that the others dont.

[pearl cliff]

The other 2 can’t be regenerated like the blackouts so that makes sense to me

[north crow]

it's just, the other 2 are the best blitzes in the game

ideally, someone else would be using nades so you can blackout

[exotic temple]

I agree, most rampage builds deal with carapace just fine so the black outs just fit better

[north crow]

but every other nade not krak kinda sucks donkey dick

and shredder to a degree

[mighty belfry]

Running those and having Forge's Bellow actually give you some genuine cc capabilities for a scum.

[exotic temple]

It gives you a decent oh shit button

[mighty belfry]

I'm not even talking pocket toxin either. Just the nade itself is useful.

[exotic temple]

I still try to find a way to get pocket toxin in there because it’s just handy

[mighty belfry]

Nah my melee builds are pressed to fit it since there are other things I want that I find more value in.

Plus since I usually run Needle pistol anyway, I'd rather they didn't have the toxin so it doesn't interfere much with my blackout regen.

[exotic temple]

I run a bonesaw rampage chem dep build I like and I take all those dumb nodes that give you effects if the enemy is already effected by toxin

So the toxin blackouts basically keep all those talents running

[vale viper]

Is stopping power useful for needle pistol?

[mighty belfry]

Eh.

[exotic temple]

Not really

[vale viper]

Good

Good

Dump stat hehe

[exotic temple]

But yeah outside of that I can see where pocket toxin could be mid

[muted pivot]

about blackouts

what does 1 blackout kill on auric?

I wanna try to force blackouts into my rampage build since I'm taking sample collector anyway

[bronze glade]

you mean with toxins?

because without toxins blackouts don't kill anything

[scenic glacier]

Hivescum channel I require your assistance

[faint fossil]

today i ran some matches with fem anarchist voice and idk why i find it so funny that if a arbitrator complements her for killing a lot she says "i could have been a thite rat"

and my mind just imagines hivescum as a arbi

[mighty belfry]

I can see the use with bonesaw for sure

[dire badge]

Scum your hive then chop your fent. You're welcome

[exotic temple]

3 stacks of toxic really only kills chaff

[dire badge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-world-grandma-ben-stiller-happy-gilmore-gif-14859831135997081348

[scenic glacier]

I saw a video recently about a build where you build up stacks with the needle pistol and then when an enemy dies it explodes and adds stacks to surounding enemies etc

Seemed giga fun but just cant find it again

[exotic temple]

Mark 2 needle pistol does that with its secondary fire

I’m assuming if you put 5 stacks on an enemy when it dies everything around it gets 5 stacks but I haven’t tried it . I’ll spread my needles around so when stuff dies it’s spread the toxin further

[muted pivot]

including bruisers? I'm still fine with that, rampage with needles kills everything very easy anyway

needles and shivs and rampage

but good way to force more cartel specials

[dire badge]

Mk II pistol using the alt fire (blue fent needle). I imagine just spamming it a whole lot? Using pickpocket talent for LITERALLY INFINITE ammo.

If you want everything to implode definitely bring chem grenades.

You COULD bring desperate to spam the needle gun even further but the kills from the poison wouldn't count for desperato buffs.

[exotic temple]

I believe so

[dire badge]

Obv if you only want to spam it you can bring reload talents on the left wing.

Attack spd and reload fent stim too

[exotic temple]

If it doesn’t they are basically on deaths door which is nice because that feeds your hv

[jaunty coral]

for double barrel hivescum, should i run manstopper + crit blessing, or is a dmg blessing/flechette better?

is the natural crit enough

[scenic glacier]

Hmmm I see I see tyty

[heavy patio]

is stability a fine dump stat for needle gun?

[zenith fern]

Damage is the main dump

But I heard stability does not change but still preferred damage

[lilac ermine]

For mark 2 are you suppose to stack with primary fire mode then switch when they are about to die to alt fire to transfer all the stacks to enemy

[muted pivot]

I don't think it transfers ALL stacks

[lilac ermine]

Or it only counts stacks from alt fire

[muted pivot]

just one per blue needle

or maybe just one for a target infected with blue

[bronze glade]

for gun build i've gone with both barrels and manstopper

i found this to be the most comfy combo

[lilac ermine]

Oh idk if that sounds good then

[muted pivot]

it's still really good

[bronze glade]

sub-30 min run with DB last night

[muted pivot]

if it did all of its stacks it'd be way too strong lol

[lilac ermine]

So to kill like group of gunners you need to shoot one of them like maybe 3-5 times and itll kill them all?

[jaunty coral]

i was thinking flechette with aoe bleed with infinite cleave could be really cool

[lapis raft]

you need to shoot different targets with blue mode

[jaunty coral]

but ya both barrels is nice, reload is nice

[bronze glade]

i tried that but the crits just aren't consistent

and reload speed is super important

from talents you can only get 30%

which sounds like a lot

but you're reloading literally all game

[jaunty coral]

i just dont always fire both barrels...

[bronze glade]

just do

[jaunty coral]

i often fire the shots individually

and feel i get more value

[lapis raft]

you get 30% from tree and 30% from stimm

[bronze glade]

i spend my stimm on crit

[jaunty coral]

is speed loader from tree not enough?

[bronze glade]

i tried that but imo no

[lapis raft]

with just speedloader the weapon feels like ass

[bronze glade]

for me, it actually feels better to just run both barrels

and only use double shots lol

the reload is sooo snappy

and you can just drop the speed loader talent

[main wagon]

Dropping sticky hands and float like a butterfly for "toxin on crit" with shiv/DAP desperado is hurting me. It's convenient, but fuck I miss my free accuracy

[lilac ermine]

Toxin on crit is bad

Even worse for desperdao

[bronze glade]

doesn't sound like a good trade for DAP desp build

[main wagon]

I wish it wasnt 1 stack

[lilac ermine]

Me playing syringe build

[main wagon]

Those times the stack kicks in and just executes something that wouldve survived with a bee's dick of HP is nice but idk

[main wagon]

I think I like sticky hands going ooga booga sniper uzis more than 1 stack

Most crusher hordes even if you're solo you can chuck 2 knives, heavy spam, chuck 2 knives, heavy spam until all are dead

[lilac ermine]

Sticky hands is better less misses is more dmg

[main wagon]

Still mad about it losing the top free position

Just dont miss™

[jaunty coral]

is deathspitter worth it? both barrels + deathspitter

[final temple]

it only transfers one stack. this is more your lazy hordeclear than some big brain thing

[bronze glade]

idk, infinite cleave is super powerful so i'd rather not give that up

unfortunately, DB blessings force you to make hard decisions

[mighty belfry]

Darktide players when they actually have choices: 😱

[mighty belfry]

It depends honestly

[bronze glade]

boy do i wish i could have manstopper / scattershot / both barrels / flechette on the same DB

[mighty belfry]

It does help if you have means to apply toxin to begin with since it helps the upkeep on stacks.

But by itself, yeah its kinda ass.

Coated weaponry's use is very dependent on your build.

[mighty belfry]

That's vet's thing.

Can't work as well on this class since while it can have higher than average crit chance, it doesn't have a means to guarantee it like vet can.

[lapis raft]

quadra barrel

[kind mist]

Good ol' doomstick.

[bronze glade]

wished we got a DB mark that had a third barrel for slug rounds

[final temple]

I mean. the talent icon is showing a bonesaw not for nothing, lol.

[amber sundial]

Those m30 drilling shotguns?

[spark gyro]

Bro pulling out the Killing Floor memes

[bronze glade]

Yeah that’s the name

Forgot what they were called

[amber sundial]

I only remember the name because I absolutely loved that shotgun in battlefield games lol

[covert obsidian]

I don't like the removal of jittery among other things

[final temple]

jittery sure is comfy. I don’t feel like I ever needed it tho

[limber cradle]

Love jittery

Personally I'd drop 2 shout for jittery

But i don't love 2 shout to begin with

[lilac ermine]

Is frenzy or dependency better

[lilac ermine]

Whats 2 shout

[mighty belfry]

Forge's Bellow.

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[lilac ermine]

But thats really good for 1 point

[mighty belfry]

I honestly find more value over shout than jittery.

[limber cradle]

Im aware

[lilac ermine]

It lets me get like 6 free headshot stabs on bosses

So there mostly dead after that

[subtle zenith]

hear say says it's only 1 stack to those hit by the explosion. 2 stacks when hit directly by a needle

[mighty belfry]

It's true.

Also. Jittery is like

Really bad for muscle memory.

And makes you very careless with dodging.

[limber cradle]

This whole mf class is bad for muscle memory

[mighty belfry]

True but Jittery is one of the worst culprits.

[limber cradle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Don't use it if you don't want to

[final temple]

I would say dependency. others prefer adrenaline.

[lilac ermine]

Is chemical dependency even worth it I feel like the extra crits isnt needed and the toughness damage reduction is worse then toughness regen from adrenaline

Its like a mini rampage too so your not weak outside of rampage

[final temple]

no. TDR is vastly more valuable. you have plenty of sources of TR but next to none for TDR.

[lilac ermine]

I feel like as melee they take alot more chip then big hits and tr over seconds actually keeps you alive then damage reduction

Plus they have like 20% damage reduction from hive city brawler and 10% from gang tough

Chem fortified would put at 45% but it doesnt feel that strong

Oh I guess theres the ability cd too

[low harbor]

dependency good for shiv

[final temple]

TR does nothing when you are at max T but TDR stays valuable continuously. plus, as I said, you already have extremely good TR. if this could spill over in gold toughness I would agree. but as it stands, given active nature of your defense you want your failures to have as small an impact as possible

[low harbor]

but if u run rashad go adrenaline

[exotic temple]

I think it’s a depends. I feel like finesse weapons like dependency more and power weapons like adrenaline

[limber cradle]

Thats how I see it tbh

[final temple]

yeah. whatever your weapon wants more.

[limber cradle]

Shivs, TAxe? Chem dependency

CAxe? Adren

[mighty belfry]

I'm gonna be real. Its not as clear cut as that. That TR is passive.

[lapis raft]

also dr makes stuff like tis but a scratch and precision violence stronger

[mighty belfry]

Hive Scum's regen is connected to being constantly engaged.

[lapis raft]

so its not like chem dep do not boots your recovery

[final temple]

every moment you are at max TR, passive TR is just as wasted.

[lilac ermine]

Hive scums only toughness regen really comes from getting shot by ranged and melee kills if you go dependency

[mighty belfry]

Having passive TR for this class when you're playing ultra aggressive does actually help.

[lilac ermine]

For melee build

[lapis raft]

melee hits

[lilac ermine]

Oh yah

[lapis raft]

pretty important difference :d

with enough dr you can just hold left click against bunch of stuff while actively facetanking it with precision violence and rampage

[lilac ermine]

I feel I get chip damage less on adrenaline cause im constantly at full toughness

The only time my toughness breaks rlly hard would be pox burster and mauler but dont those just ignore toughness resist

[lapis raft]

you should be at full regardless unless you are playing weapon that has to spam heavies or are sitting in dots, and for sitting in dots the recovery from adrenaline isnt enough anyway

[final temple]

oh I am not claiming it’s worthless in general. just that when you have other sources of TR that TDR has relatively higher value to have.

[mighty belfry]

You mean pox gas?

[lilac ermine]

For this build I have similar but I dont go into toxin tree some of my points is spent on top like regained posture

And jittery

[mighty belfry]

Because having passive regen at all counters pox gas.

[lilac ermine]

Isnt regained posture rlly helpful for the downside of rampage

[exotic temple]

I feel like it is

[low harbor]

Yes

[exotic temple]

It’s saved my skin several times

[lilac ermine]

I think I will dump quick and deadly and sticky hands though

For pickpocket and hyper critical

[lapis raft]

yea i guess it counters the corruption

but do not helps with your tougnessgetting to 0 which is the scarier part imo :d

[low harbor]

That 5%/s is not enough to tank pox gas

Only 2 classes can do it

[lapis raft]

i like how we talk about regen from adrenaline and you dont even take it

[lilac ermine]

Oh wai I switched it

[lapis raft]

also i think skipping sample collector is bad idea

on like every scum setup

[mighty belfry]

Not to tank it entirely but at least circumvent it enough to buy time.

[lilac ermine]

Sample collector has alot of dead nodes like 10% tox dmg

Before it

[lapis raft]

it has 1 dead node

[lilac ermine]

And extra blitz

[dim moth]

it has one

[lapis raft]

extra blitz is insane node

[lilac ermine]

For stun grenade

[low harbor]

Nah it’s a rly good talent but not mandatory

[mighty belfry]

There are times where I know pox gas would have screwed me way harder if I was using Chem dep over adrenaline.

[dim moth]

extra blitz is really fucking good?

[lilac ermine]

I dont need extra blitz for the stun

[dim moth]

so don't take it

[low harbor]

Then the other path is coherency radius

[dim moth]

doesn't make it bad just because you don't need it

[mighty belfry]

And also, I value extra attack speed and base damage over the crit chance tbh

[lilac ermine]

Its a dead node in a stun build

[lapis raft]

even 45s stimm without it sounds pretty rough to use if you lets say only clicked the cdr branch

[dim moth]

bro

[low harbor]

Nah rampage goes long enough to be ok with 45s stim recharge

[low harbor]

Coated weaponry and toxin mania are both mid at best

[mighty belfry]

Toxin mania is

Eh

Coated weaponry is nice depending on the weapon imho

I think it's best for shivs since they have the knives.

[lilac ermine]

My stims is the finesse one full strength its like second rampage but shorter

I feel I dont need stims rlly with rampage so I dont have sample collect

[low harbor]

It’s good for 1 weapon and that 1 weapon happens to be ass

[vapid jungle]

Love coated on the shivs

[lapis raft]

that do not rly sounds better than cdr stimm to get rampage back quickly

also coated is good for any crit weapon imo, keeping the toxin stacks up without needing to swap weapon is pretty good value in general

[lilac ermine]

Coated is good with syringe but not any other ranged

[mighty belfry]

It's not meant to be a talent for the sake of being a damage dealer itself. It's meant to compliment setups that can use toxin to upkeep it better.

[low harbor]

Coated is mid across pretty much every weapon besides bonesaw

[mighty belfry]

Are you forgetting that shivs have a toxin throwing knife

[low harbor]

No, it just doesn’t matter enough

[mighty belfry]

And yeah, it is. Because the talent itself is mid without actual application for it.

[low harbor]

Because hypercrit just kills things on crit

[mighty belfry]

It does to me for bosses.

Being able to keep a boss at 30 toxin stacks without stopping my melee dps is actually pretty damn useful.

[low harbor]

It’s pretty much exclusively a boss dps talent that only really matters when you’re forced to solo bosses with nobody else around

[mighty belfry]

And also crushers. Especially rotten crushers.

[lapis raft]

or you have multiple bosses around

[mighty belfry]

Ya. Arguably, it's a talent that has more value in havoc or monstrosity modifiers.

[low harbor]

It builds stacks just way too slow

If it did 2 stacks on crit-weakspot it’d be much better

[north crow]

crit toxin is only good to upkeep needle stacks on monsters

and some extra stim CDR, but that part is mostly irrevelant

[lapis raft]

well the sample collector part is very relevant, but im not sure if the 2% actually procs when you one shot enemy when you have coated

[north crow]

indeed

not with HC most likely

[upbeat gyro]

Accidentally started empowering and upgrading wrong needle pistol, is this too terrible?

[low harbor]

Usable until u get a better roll

It’s not a big deal

[upbeat gyro]

Id have better rolls already

Just not the resources

Guess ill take it 500

[lapis raft]

it has max ammo, thats good enough :d

[upbeat gyro]

And then if i really play it much, take another

[muted robin]

I really struggle with the shivs when there are enemys coming from all sides. Eg the mission with the tree poison. I can kite with hive scum, but even normal horde enemies hit me occasionaly when i cant control the direction fron where they are coming. Any ideas how can i improve here? Do i need to block more in these situations?

[mighty belfry]

Push.

[muted robin]

Ah push attacking them one by one?

[brittle sierra]

I'm not exactly sure what you are doing

But the only enemies that scum struggles in melee with shivs is ragers

[muted robin]

Interestingly i think i can ha dle ragers better than on arbi with hive scum ^^

They are oneshots with crits

[brittle sierra]

Sure that's the primary solution

But there will be situations where you can't do that against multiple

[muted robin]

Yeah sure. But the stun grenades help with making space if there are many. But i struggle against hordlings in my back 😅

[brittle sierra]

Then turn around and start mowing them down

I think this is just fundamentals

Because Scum does not struggle into hordes

[muted robin]

Yeah but they hit me and chip away health slowly

Yeah i also think its a fundamental issue.

[drifting heron]

Scum really helps you keep your fundamentals tight if you play melee

[muted robin]

But i am not sure what i need to do. I mean i can clear the melee trials. But only by kiting them. But ireally struggle when i dont have the space

[drifting heron]

Cause if you don't you just bite it

[muted robin]

^^ yeah and i bit it alot the last game 😅

Thank you for the input. I will try around some more in psykhanium

[north crow]

That's not hive specific, do you know how the slot system work?

[muted robin]

Erm, i guess not?

Whst do you mean by slots?

[north crow]

Look it up, and try to manipulate hordes accordingly

[muted robin]

Aah nice

[north crow]

aka, wall behind your back really

[muted robin]

Okay will have a loon

Thank you so much

[north crow]

there are 8 slots around you, chaff can occupy one at a time

if you seal off directions, you have less to deal with

[muted robin]

Ah great. Yeah that is something i didnt know

And it makes sense

[north crow]

but you shud never fight surrounded anyhow to begin with

try to coral them into a choke

or position yourself so they streaming from 1-2 direction at most

[muted robin]

Yes, thats good advice

[north crow]

once you have em where you want em, you can mow em down with rampage

also worth mentioning, the less slots are occupied, the harder they hit

[abstract inlet]

Don't corner yourself though, either cover team's blindspots or glide along arena wall

[muted robin]

Ooh, that also explains why those single latecomers hirt so much

[north crow]

exactly

the lone trashmob randomly spawning behind your back

will kick your kidney down

[muted robin]

Yep

Interesting

Thats something i have to think and learn about

Thank you!

[north crow]

@muted robin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooMbHUXXHys

that one is pretty informative

and not too long

[muted robin]

Great, i will watch it! Thx

[north crow]

Enjoy

[bronze glade]

not push attack, push

push is a 360 degree effect

same with blocking for that matter

[north crow]

albeit with increased stamina cost at the odd angles

like pushing the dog pouncing from behind

[main wagon]

For posterity I counted. My Hive Scum has...

(x12) +3 Stam Curios
(x3) +21% HP Curios
All wound curios are instantly discarded

ZERO 17% TOUGHNESS

My zealot doesn't even have that many HP curios 🙁

[tranquil fjord]

greedy

[main wagon]

I wish I could Santa Claus these stam curios on the ship

[tranquil fjord]

this game only gives me 430 rated wound curios on scum

[abstract inlet]

I got lucky eventually having 3 17%s, but I'm still stuck in damnation to upgrade weapons

(And also I suck at this game)

[north crow]

We all do, just the amount of suckage varies

[tranquil berry]

Some don't suck, they blow

So the pressure evens out overall

[eager reef]

not missing anything in auric

it's jsut game aftert game of desperado scum

about to start playing smyker to fuck with thme

[abstract inlet]

I have never touched havoc yet, and consistently dying to auric means im not ready

[tranquil berry]

It's not so much that you're not ready, havoc 1-5 is gonna be easier than auric, it's that the rewards in havoc aren't worth it unless you're higher level. You get more cash and materials for beating damnation regularly

[abstract inlet]

Is diamantine guaranteed in havoc or do I have to find it on map?

[tranquil berry]

Might as well stick to damnation till it starts feeling too easy and you're carrying most rando teams, then move on up to auric. By the time auric feels easy, you should have enough resources to build any weapon and get good stuff out of mid havocs

[tranquil berry]

You don't get any

Havoc rewards are from the weekly chest based on the highest you beat that week

[abstract inlet]

Ahh

[tranquil berry]

So not really worth it at all, per time spent, if you still need resources, until you can at least beat a mid havoc, which is slightly harder than aurics

Im pretty sure damnation and auric have the same amount of plasteel and diamantine on the map. At least they used to before auric became its own diff

You just gonna loot gobble it up, check your corners

[abstract inlet]

Or go fast YEEHAW

[upbeat gyro]

Just go play some easy Havoc 10-19 mission to get weekly bonus, one win is enough

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/havoc

[north crow]

Ok I'm never touching any other gun but BDL for desperado

this shit is fun

[keen timber]

the fuck is a bdl

[pearl cliff]

blending dogs later

[trim wind]

brazillian dong lift

[north crow]

Black Dick Lover

[tranquil berry]

all of the above

[dim moth]

baby diaper lover

[worn yoke]

i need pox gas and rotten armor to vanish

[drowsy relic]

pox gas should be on every havoc mission 32+

[worn yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-rage-bait-l-l-lawliet-gif-335936460115950438

[mighty belfry]

#hivescum-class message

[spiral horizon]

I'ma be real, even after looking through the list of options on Hive Scum I still have no idea which gun you mean

[north crow]

DBL

double barrel

[mighty belfry]

BBL*

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-thumbsup-confused-thumbs-up-gif-5066056

[north crow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0a0ac2c-4c46-4aca-a0bd-447945e12e27/clearing-floridas-slums-swat-style

courtesy of Lord Ainz

fuck the dclaw tho

grab a mk6 knife or a taxe7

[spiral horizon]

nah I'm a dclaw enjoyer

[north crow]

eew

[spiral horizon]

me parry

[mighty belfry]

Okay hold on

[north crow]

I never could get myself to enjoy the parry

[mighty belfry]

Dclaw is Hella fun on scum

[north crow]

sitting there dick in hand, waiting to get hit

[drowsy relic]

It kills things is scary

[granite verge]

That is just Cole's Desparado build with the weapons swapped out.

[spiral horizon]

nah you just swing away and then parry when/if a swing comes in

[drowsy relic]

I've never seen the dclaw do that

[north crow]

very possible, ainz and cole are the only 2 I trust when it comes to lantern builds

[spiral horizon]

tbf pretty much all the meta builds in the game are like, just the same 2-3 skill trees with weapons swapped out

[north crow]

the devil is in the details

[spiral horizon]

it's rare anything truly off the wall gets developed, fatmangus is like the only one

[north crow]

most builds on lantern get things 8-90% right only

[mighty belfry]

Rampage makes dclaw sing.

Same with heavy sword.

[spiral horizon]

hyperviolence hsword allowing you to dunk crushers

[novel oracle]

I still need to give deathspitter speedload a shot on double barrel

What's interesting though is the cleave talent on 3 enemies hit in melee gives a global cleave buff, so you can proc it then fire your db lol

[bronze glade]

too much work

i've gone with both barrels manstopper

[novel oracle]

I think outside of vet you really need scattershot to make manstopper have enough crit to justify it tbh

And then youre slacking on reload speed

Deathspitter does give you some more cleave cuz its strength and the damage is nice too

[eager reef]

does speedload stack sith scum reload trait?

bc if so you might as well be slam firing the damn thing

[novel oracle]

And both barrels falls off super hard cuz youre literally able to have 3 shots loaded, and firing 2 puts a long delay before you can fire your third

[bronze glade]

you can get 50% pretty easily, which i think is fine tbh

[novel oracle]

And yes it stacks

[bronze glade]

but deathspitter i'm sure isn't half bad either

[novel oracle]

Its strength so its giga juiced

[eager reef]

i had been running flechette and scatter for memes

[novel oracle]

Then you just fire 3 shots in a row

[bronze glade]

i tried with speedloader, triple barrel and just found not using speedloader but both barrels feels a lot better

[eager reef]

but i need to actually not be silly to use it above auric

[bronze glade]

30% reload speed boost isn't enough

[novel oracle]

Which is why speedload is 50%

As in
The blessing

[bronze glade]

oh you're talking about the blessing

[novel oracle]

Which you then pair with the talent

[bronze glade]

idk

i don't like the proc requirement

for DB

[eager reef]

realoading faster than doom slayer

[bronze glade]

on DAP sure

but for DB? ehhhhh

gotta stack with 5 close kills right?

sometimes you just delete two elites and need to reload

[novel oracle]

Firing 3 shots in a row with deathspitter its gonna stack fast

[novel oracle]

And youre already at 50% from there

Cuz of the talent

[eager reef]

also if you are using despacito you'll be in range to stack the perkl

[bronze glade]

well i could also just do both barrels

[novel oracle]

1 single kill puts you at 40%

[bronze glade]

and not have to spend a talent point

i guess it doesn't matter either way

i just find the both barrel approach to feel a lot better

[novel oracle]

But then youre not firing all 3 shots nearly as fast cuz of the delay

[bronze glade]

this felt better than firing 3 shots

and having a reload

pretty good for a sub 30 minute auric game

[spiral horizon]

speedload DB feels plenty good to me

it's pretty much the only desperado build I care to run

though I might try bolt pistol at some point just because I actually haven't done that yet myself

[bronze glade]

you should, it's very good

assuming explodey bistol

[spiral horizon]

yea explodey

[bronze glade]

it's basically hood traumaker

as opposed to DB, which is hood purgker

[eager reef]

you mean cooler

[north crow]

Speedloader feels really nice on DBL

you will have no issues stacking it, when it matters

[brave beacon]

so has the comunity figured out the best viscosity for the stem lab on the lunch box build?

[bronze glade]

which lunchbox build 🤔

[brave beacon]

stem suply with chem dependincy

[final temple]

full viscosity. no point leaving power on the table for a shorter cd

you can always drop an empty supply to keep up chem dep stacks

[brave beacon]

so ive ben playing around with runing only the CDR box

you can reliably get 2 boxes down each drop

or stagger them for 2x the deration

corse you dont get any bonus damage that way

[lapis raft]

you go either 100% viscosity with stimm crate or just 1 point for the booby trap meme, no reason to do anything else really

[eager reef]

i ut toughness and strength in the crate bc it amuses me

and it ends up being budget shout

[indigo sedge]

to all hivescum the emperor loves you stimm addicted karkers

[cinder rampart]

rampage with crowbar might just be the most fun i’ve ever had in this game

[abstract inlet]

or unload in a horde

I have deathspitter on my agri brauto, should I replace ceaseless barrage?

[abstract inlet]

but bombs

also, is achlys caxe better then rashad at single target?

[bronze glade]

deathspitter and fire frenzy

[livid raven]

don't think so

[bronze glade]

no

[abstract inlet]

suppression not worth and 50% reload not worth the FIFTY damage?

[bronze glade]

building for suppression is a meme

[abstract inlet]

I believe it

I just hate the long reload

[bronze glade]

speedload the talent gives enough reload speed

just take that

agri brauto has a big mag

[abstract inlet]

maybe fire frenzy will maker it big enough

[bronze glade]

i mean brauto already innately has a lot of suppression

more than you'll need

LOVE IT

some cunt sets off the DH

leaves the game

DH kills me instead

you can be sure as hell i just left the match

fuck you game

[vapid jungle]

That's what we call "gaming"

[trim wind]

ah the ol tertium ta-ta

[abstract inlet]

best perks for splody bolt pistol?

[vapid jungle]

Lethal proximity execution/puncture

Wait you said perks flak maniac

[bronze glade]

also fucking instant pouncing dogs

[abstract inlet]

blessings and perks always trip me up, so you gave me what I wanted first try 👍

[vale viper]

Rampage with shivs wooowee

https://tenor.com/view/stabby-cat-stab-knife-attack-gif-8323277341918006992

[modest patio]

Can anyone recommend me a build to use Rashad

[vivid wedge]

@brave beacon If you run the CD supply and desperado brings CD stim, they get desperado back in 15 seconds lol. (With Chem Dependency)

[vast yoke]

how high Havoc are we talking

[modest patio]

I don't typically queue for anything less than a 35 usually try to just do 40s

[vast yoke]

ah then fair enough, lemme whip smth up for u

[fervent flint]

is Focused resolve a waste for a point?

[vast yoke]

asking cus on lower Havocs a fun and effective meme is decimator + headtaker rampage, but at 30+ BM ends up edging it out due to hitmass

[fervent flint]

also would chemical dependency be good for desperado builds

looks like it can increase uptime

[vast yoke]

a melee focused build I usually run is smth like this on rashad. The second one drops Hypercritical/Float like a Butterfly for Speedloader and Ammo Jack to be used with double-barrel which Rashad builds can facilitate since you get a lot of floating points

[subtle zenith]

I believe they were discussing it a little while ago. I think if you scroll up a bit you'll find a whole discussion about it

[vast yoke]

chem dep is worth it sometimes yeah. the main benefit over vultures mark on en.desperado builds is you can get away without using a CDR stim, so you can stack a Power + Rending stim to have on demand Crusher DPS

but you are losing Vultures Mark, which is

• usually only a 2 point investment, can be even 1
• gives you a fuck ton of movement speed on top of damage and crit

[vast yoke]

focused resolve is only worth it on niche builds, such as syringe gun desperado

5s is 11%

[modest patio]

I was assuming bromentum would be best but wasnt sure. havent used the axe on HS yet

[modest patio]

I'll give your first list a run here, I tend to prefer the needle pistol on melee focses and tbh i havent used the double barrel yet

Thank you for the lists and explanations! Ia ctually just threw both in there, still need to make a double barrel though

[vast yoke]

weirdly you can get away without it for a long time, decimator + headtaker with a bajeelion melee damage buffs is kinda absurd on this class, especially since the amount of cleave buffs it gets can turn rashad without BM into a horde blender. still at higher havocs i'm not brave enough to recommend that cocktail lmao

[subtle zenith]

What does Rashad mean? I've seen it pop-up, but can't think of a definition

[vast yoke]

db is rlly good on this class. it is also migraine inducing since every shot jolts your head 90 degrees up

[vast yoke]

rashad combat axe, it's a mark for the caxe

[subtle zenith]

Thanks

I'm trying to go for a chem build. So bone saw and needle pistol

And sharing is caring

[modest patio]

You dont like weakspot damage? or did you not take it on the first build since it's decimator

[vast yoke]

weakspot damage doesn't really add 25% damage per headshot, it might be worth it but you're realistically getting a boost from 870 on flak weakspot to 940 which is a 7.78% boost to damage

i mean if you find that worth a talent point then go right ahead, it's usually only worth it on shivs/cknife

[modest patio]

Makes sense, what about battering strikes/momentum for extra cleave

[vast yoke]

mk3 knife for example gets 15.77% boost on flak with the talent

which imo is worth it

[vast yoke]

i only run that on decimator+headtaker build

tbh i only rlly use the rashad + rampage on rotten armor

but imo there are better classes for melee rotten armor, even melee vet has mercy killer cknife and psword which are more consistent than scum imo

(plus kraks etc etc)

[modest patio]

Some anti HS propaganda here

[limber cradle]

PSword is for losers

Use some bits of broken pipe like a real killer

[upbeat gyro]

How does rotten armor work with chemtoxin?

Cooked up that build lastnight and seems to be the answer to crushers my desperado was missing

Still missing some empowerements on weapons so havent taken to havoc

[mighty belfry]

DoTs are unaffected by Rotten DR

Toxin has very good ADM across the board, even for crushers.

It's literally a counter to rotten armor

The issue is that it takes time to ramp things up.

Since it's a DoT weapon.

[subtle zenith]

1 magazine of a needle pistol is full stacks no? 30 stacks max?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

Other than crit or weakspot hits.

[upbeat gyro]

Kinda wish i could add Booby Trap in my build, but should get rid of some other talent first

Like when pack of crushers come to chokepoint, could see the value

Or those situations your team is cornered or in small room

[vast yoke]

less actually, i believe its 6 shot per bodyshot so 5 shots without any crits/headshots

[vast yoke]

still rlly good on rotten armor tbf because of syringe pistol, but i'd say its scums weakest niche, there are just stronger classes for that piece of shit modifier

[upbeat gyro]

So Booby Trap is basicly bit over 1 needler shot?

[vast yoke]

yeah it's not the best imo. in theory its a ton of value but the AOE is small and 5 seconds to wait for an explosion is an eternity in this game

it was super popular like week 1/2 of scums release but nowadays i dont see ppl running it

if you like it there's no reason you shouldn't use it though, esp on a dependency crate build

[upbeat gyro]

Well i have never used it yet, why im asking as it sounds like potentially fun and good, but i havent seen it yet in practice even

Logging to test it in psykhanium now

[vast yoke]

in practice 5 seconds feels way too long. if the explosion happened on deployment it'd be amazing but as it stands you need every subnode to make it worth using

5 seconds means the enemy you wanted 7 toxin stacks on will likely already have walked off, in 5 seconds you can magdump almost twice with the syringe pistol, its just a lot for very little

[upbeat gyro]

Good i logged

Hmm.. its like 25% HP away from crusher

[vast yoke]

oof

yeah tox scales pretty linearly, it's the best DOT in the game haha

so more stacks is a mostly lossless dps gain

[upbeat gyro]

And the area is very small, not worth it

Like youd have to lure enemies in that small area and maybe eat overhead because of trying to keep them within range, for not that great dmg

Better use of talents than that

[vast yoke]

Yeah I really wish it activated on dropping the crate, even if that doesn't make much sense

or even activated slower, rather than 7 stacks at once it applied 2 stacks per second while in its AOE

it'd actually make a non 5s crate build worth using

[livid raven]

chem grenade at home

[vast yoke]

would be fun though

atm it's a really fun idea that's poorly executed

frustrating at all levels of play

[livid raven]

i remember people at launch intentionally shooting themselves in the foot by picking a 15 seconds stimm and the explosive crate

[vast yoke]

i ran that build for maybe two games? it was really bad

some people ran that when dependency got buffed thinking they needed a 15s crate to maintain 4 stacks lmao

[livid raven]

who would have thought that a worse blackout grenade every 15 seconds was bad

[upbeat gyro]

Can i gain those stimm penances from dropping medkit from teammates too?

[livid raven]

no

[vast yoke]

im astonished you have more in Enchanced than in Speedster

[upbeat gyro]

Oh well, just gotta run medkit build with Speed+Toughness stim for a while 😭

[vast yoke]

make sure to run every +25 toughness node since the toughness replenishment nodes are very fickle with penance progress

[upbeat gyro]

I have actually run to take dmg and then stimmed myself, to progress it 😄

[vast yoke]

yup

[upbeat gyro]

Brutal Bludgeons seems most painful out of thoes

[patent bone]

Lemme ask yall this

[vast yoke]

not really, run a mk4 chainaxe, heavy spam with crowbar or heavy sword

[patent bone]

What type of Scum are ya?

[drifting heron]

Forgor

[upbeat gyro]

All those are like lvl 0 still, so thats the problem, only got Saw so far

[drifting heron]

But the water cartel drip is nice

[spice cloud]

The one that forms on my beef stock.

[patent bone]

Purple fella?

[plush pagoda]

Drugs

[patent bone]

The correct answer

[upbeat gyro]

IRL or ingame?

[plush pagoda]

Both

[subtle zenith]

Both

[patent bone]

What type of Scum are ya?

Puts on red glasses

[upbeat gyro]

My hive one is bit more into drugs than me, cant call it recreational use anymore

[plush pagoda]

I need to level up i need more drugs in my pills

Jesse. We need to cook

[subtle zenith]

I'm playing an anarchist, The Show. But all my drip is water cartel. Irl, I'm roleplaying a nice person

[drifting heron]

You kill people

And are an active of member of a high level crime ring

[patent bone]

Nice?? AS A HIVE SCUM?!?

WE GOT A TITHE RAT!!!

[spice cloud]

Yeah nah i think the being a nice person train has left a while ago.

[upbeat gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/peep-show-super-hans-moreish-gif-16904726018749754929

[plush pagoda]

What you mean "nice person" ?

[subtle zenith]

Well being nice opens a lot of doors😎

[upbeat gyro]

Named my hivescum after him

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-a-cop-fast-and-furious-gif-5305478

[subtle zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/nealcaffery-whitecollar-mattboomer-hat-shocked-gif-6752411

[spice cloud]

You are literally a cartel comissar. You prolly killed hundrets of innocent people for no reason at all.

[plush pagoda]

That's a cop link or something i ain't cliking that

[drifting heron]

This is 40k

Nobody is nice

[plush pagoda]

He wants my drugs

[subtle zenith]

Kill them with kindness

[drifting heron]

Everyone is evil, just pick your flavor

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-honey-no-gif-5584828

[subtle zenith]

Well tbf, nobody expects the spanish inquisition, or being backstabbed by there buddy

[drifting heron]

You underestimate the paranoia involved in any part of this process

[plush pagoda]

Jokes aside wich grenades for the scum do you recommend ?

[subtle zenith]

I use the launcher

[upbeat gyro]

Wish i could see its AOE ring when aiming jk BN;FkkkkkkkkkkkkkkB`/H*(9å

[spice cloud]

Launcher is nice yeah

Or chem nades.

Launcher is faster to kill stuff

Chem nades kill more over time

[vast yoke]

fem anarchist the show as well, i named her after chara soon from gundam because they're both unhinged, although my anarchist keeps flirting with other women so maybe I'll rename her to count dykeula

[plush pagoda]

Or
You name her maximus decimus the 3rd

[spice cloud]

*maxima decima

[novel oracle]

I named mine after cartnite
Like the fortnite themed thc cartridges

[spiral horizon]

called mine Kano

[plush pagoda]

I named mine after how many drugs i managed to inject in my body in one minute

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-kano-oh-hello-sunshine-hello-sunshine-hello-gif-22197414

[trim wind]

Named mine after what stan thought what a NWA member was named, Beneficial B

[vast yoke]

this sent like 10 mins late because i was taking a dump and my phone had no wifi in the bathroom

</3

[mortal meadow]

me just sitting here with my character named "Gas Station Tweaker"

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-black-guy-homeless-guy-gif-12306843104510607338

[spice cloud]

The hidden fentanyl claw.

[upbeat gyro]

Here the drug of choice of local hivescummers has been alpha-pvp past year or so, some dodgy zombies on it around

Friends yard, lives next to druggiest park of the whole country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Α-Pyrrolidinopentiophenone

[subtle zenith]

ohhh Flakka, yeah that's bad

[upbeat gyro]

α-PVP is sometimes the active ingredient in recreational drugs sold as "bath salts".[31] It may also be distinguished from "bath salts" and sold under a different name: "flakka,"

Its really made the drug problem in Helsinki worse in 1-2 years by considerable amount

Meth junkies were annoying but predictable mostly, this just makes people crazy and unpredictable, psychosis is common on it

You know drug is bad when it makes you miss the safe and nice meth junkies

[verbal dew]

thank you for linking this btw, this is stupidly funny to run

[buoyant stone]

I think the Hive Scum is a lot like Octane from Apex Legends in that they do not care about the Specifics. As the Octane meme goes "Oooh thats got a kick = tasty drug"

[pallid quail]

bro lives in the pvp zone

[north crow]

LOL

[ocean hollow]

Blackout is genuinely pretty fucking insane

It's not as flashy as the other two and an absolute fuck you to whatever is standing in the way but it flows extremely nicely with melee

You can also disrupt the flow of final toll enemies by CC'ing them for practically free since you'll get 20 close kills in no time

[upbeat gyro]

Does blackout want the blitz chem stack talent?

Only way i can see them doing something else than 1s stagger

[novel oracle]

Even still sometimes a 1s stagger is gamechanging

[ocean hollow]

I take it for sample collector mainly

[compact oyster]

Pocket toxin is really good on blackouts

[ocean hollow]

Exactly and you get to do it like super frequently

Melee scum is just so fucking fun

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah no doubt, i was just running it lastnight to get the penances done and it was comfy tossing it on big mixed horde and then swing chem saw at em helpless

But i will definitely be happy to run bazooka or chemnades again over it now that im done

Those just give you more room to for example revive fallen teammates

1s aint enough

[ocean hollow]

They should die for going down

Let them have their punishment

:(

I'm sort of surprised havoc allows downs to tbh

or doesn't have something like a wound reduction

They tried to do it with the corruption damage thingy I guess

[mighty belfry]

good but not even necessary on melee builds if i'll be real

the stagger already has crazy value

[nova valley]

Bullying someone for going down? In this economy?

[ocean hollow]

They clearly did not have the Emperor's will if they fell so easily

[upbeat gyro]

Im one of those going still down here and there

Not everyone is 1k+ hour tryhard supremo running only havoc40 with buddies

[novel oracle]

We're wholesome in this economy
You WILL run 61% revive speed zealot and you WILL win games

[verbal dew]

always

[ocean hollow]

I only broke 500 this week 😭

[ocean hollow]

Before they reworked everything, I trialled running revive speed and honestly itnm,

it was sofun

oops my space bar broke

I just wish it applied to rescues

[upbeat gyro]

I got 400ish but over half of it is AFKing to check the shop every 1h, back in 2023-2024 when crafting was bit more tedious

[ocean hollow]

nn

[ocean hollow]

I never could bring myself to do that

Finding good curios still remains crap in 2026

[verbal dew]

it does now

that's why it's good

[upbeat gyro]

I hunted one Powersword Blessing for half year, then gave up and left the game 😅

[ocean hollow]

o

That's sick

[verbal dew]

it's all kinds of helping

zealot is the new clutch machine

with the revive talent being in the way anyway

[ocean hollow]

I usually have a build philosophy of win-more rather than preventative disaster but perhaps I should change my outlook

[verbal dew]

tbf I run some revive speed on all characters now

[ocean hollow]

I'm not sure I could bring myself to play Zealot now since until death is unskippable

[verbal dew]

zealot is prob the one I've run the most post-tree rework

[ocean hollow]

I'll look into it

[verbal dew]

you always get ugly middle trees unfort

usually variations of these on my builds

[upbeat gyro]

Havent played zealot now that ive returned, it has apparently gotten some kind of rework too?

[upbeat gyro]

Made me realise i dont have on hivescum

Guess thats tonights agenda when get to play

[verbal dew]

yeah vet, psyker, and zealot got reworked trees the update before this one

bound by duty

[novel oracle]

And now it does and its dope

[novel oracle]

And people think the talent is bad and a tax

When its fucking goated as hell

[verbal dew]

yeah it's way better team help than chorus

coupled with the immunity after a rez

[north crow]

you only don't take revive talent on zealot with stealth

and even with that, it's good

but than again, I run into vets without field improv on havoc all the time

people are smart like that

finally a 420 curio!

[verbal dew]

for the flex

[upbeat gyro]

Couple more rampage games for the penance and then finally get to start playing this, undecided still on chemnade or boom so guess ill keep switching around

Bonesaw+Needler to be as meta/generic as possible. Not yet quite getting the massive hype about needlers damage, maybe i should spam more in AOE mode to hordes besides singletarget on elites/specials/bosses

[candid flint]

dont get the hype? great boss damage, great crusher damage, its fire and forget

soublaze/purga staff, but for hivescum

[livid raven]

bonesaw to be as meta as possible?

[verbal dew]

it's more archetypal for right side of tree than meta

but it doesn't really make it meta just because it's toxin

[upbeat gyro]

Well i mean its amazing with only needing one talent, pickpocket, but the damage has been lower than nonstop Desperado shooting

Needler that is

[livid raven]

don't hope to match desperado damage with any melee build

[brittle sierra]

Bonesaw is pretty bad in comparison to Scum's other finesse weapons

[upbeat gyro]

That how reginald sold it on his video

[candid flint]

he was talking about needler

not saw

said that he didnt understand needler hype yet

[upbeat gyro]

Im open to other options instead of it, just gotta farm resources first

[brittle sierra]

They did say "meta"

[dire badge]

id replace bensaw wiyh like shivs

[candid flint]

good for them

[upbeat gyro]

Reginalds dmg hype mainly, saying only 2nd to flamestaff psyker and sometimes beating

[livid raven]

lol

[brittle sierra]

Because needler can be used for every enemy in the game

[livid raven]

it's good but not that good

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah with other options i meant to replace bonesaw, whatever is complimentary to needler, horde clearing

[brittle sierra]

Shivs, Combat Axe, tax axe, knife, chain axe

[upbeat gyro]

Will test once resources

[warm axle]

i’m still pretty anti-tox for my hive scum. after using the various tools for em, the only option i really like is the blinders+ as a pseudo shredder. otherwise i really dont like how they… feel?
i like punchy animations, snappy feedback, and crisp sound effects. i just don’t get that with lime gatorade soulflame weapons.

[upbeat gyro]

Needler certainly lacks punch visually and soundwise, most anticlimatic baddie deleter

[unreal stirrup]

strongest ranged in the game at the cuck of your enjoyment

[upbeat gyro]

Maybe if they had painful melting animation, like 80s Indiana Jones style nazi puppet sips holy grail Juice style

https://tenor.com/view/face-melting-indiana-jones-fire-transforming-gif-12010697

[exotic temple]

It’s kinda disappointing when someone just kinda slumps over.

[fallen crypt]

Currently im doing the ranged weapons with hive scum but im new to the stimm labs, any recommendations? Im feeling maxing out combat ability so I cna get desparado a lot as well as some attack speed and/or toughness regeneration

Any advice?

[livid raven]

toughness regeneration is garbage

[exotic temple]

I wish the kills would do the explody or liquidity animations

[livid raven]

i'd go either full cdr and strength (rending) or full rending

[fallen crypt]

Is attack speed worth it?

[exotic temple]

Yeah rending from the stim and the desperado node is a pretty nice buff

[livid raven]

i don't think attack speed is that good for guns

[upbeat gyro]

Crusher counter on demand

[exotic temple]

Yes especially with the reload speed node

[dire badge]

with reload node it goe sharder than magnus blasting the webway wall

[fallen crypt]

Hm, alright thanks

[upbeat gyro]

Talents keep you alive way better

[fallen crypt]

Im currently only 16 with my hive scum so are there ones to prioritize? I kinda B-lined it to vulture

[livid raven]

pickpocket

with pickpocket, vulture, vulture dodge and desperado, the build is more or less complete

[fallen crypt]

Yeah ive made sure to grab that one, inevitably I gotta get the other ones but ill save focusing on penances till im level 30

[livid raven]

also the desperado subnode to extend it to 30s

[fallen crypt]

Hm alright

[livid raven]

oh sorry i am dreaming it (that's a rampage upgrade), but it's the one that gives rending

and make sure you are using a good gun for desperado

anything works as long as it shoots fast

[lapis raft]

i think as is way better for guns than for melee

but it depends on gun i guess, but the recoil + reload speed node is very strong for some of them

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a1191-d386-4a2b-8511-26c27b84718e/professional-vicodin-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[fallen crypt]

Currently running dual pistols (the single shot one)

[livid raven]

dual stubs?

[fallen crypt]

Yeah

[livid raven]

they are not good

[fallen crypt]

Damn

But thats fair 7 shots a side isnt very efficient or fast

[brittle sierra]

I don't think that is the problem

[fallen crypt]

Haven't tried many ill have to run to sefoni and try em out. I did like the dual auto guns though but still

[livid raven]

i hope fatshark buffs them but i don't really believe they will

[brittle sierra]

The issue is they are pistols and for some reason they can't punch thru carapace

[fallen crypt]

Oh wait really?

[livid raven]

they have ass carapace damage

[upbeat gyro]

Cant find anywhere info on how Hive City Brawler works besides its very vague text

[livid raven]

it's a scale

at 50% stamina you receive 10% less damage and deal 10% more melee damage

[pseudo harbor]

Man this weapon.... I don't want to try it again

[livid raven]

at 100% you receive 20% less damage

at 0% you deal 20% more melee damage

[livid raven]

they are pretty cool thoe

[pseudo harbor]

The funny thing is, they're not the worst weapon in this class.

I don't know how they did it

[livid raven]

you think vigilant are worse?

[pseudo harbor]

No. Braced

[livid raven]

i wonder

[pseudo harbor]

Crowbar I HATE THIS

[livid raven]

i think they would do ok with desperado builds

[upbeat gyro]

You saved me from having to open up 2h30min Tanner rant on Hivescum talents indepth

[livid raven]

lol, if you have doubts check kuli's guides on steam

[brittle sierra]

Braced is one of the best for Desperado

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah

But You won't be able to use this ability all the time, so no

[livid raven]

desperado builds don't need to be in desperado all the time

if anything, desperado isn't a big boost in power

desperado builds already abuse the shredder. of all weapons, and make it look like the third best weapon in the game

[pseudo harbor]

I don't know man this class is stupid

[fallen crypt]

Oh so im just running one of the worst builds

[livid raven]

if you are using a ranged build don't worry too much about your melee

you are using it 5% of the match at worst

having said that, crowbar is pretty ass on a ranged build imo

[fallen crypt]

Yeah its mostly to deal with the heavy guys who are coming at my like crushers and maulers

[livid raven]

maulers you take easily care of with your gun (aim at the body, not the head)

i suggest the knife or shiv instead

[pseudo harbor]

I can't talk about this weapon. I don't want to get kicked off the server because of it

[fallen crypt]

Well damn

Hm well looks like I gotta rework my load out

Eh after breakfast

[livid raven]

crowbar needs some melee investment to make it work imo

[pseudo harbor]

The shivs it's really good

[livid raven]

they are, but i prefer them on a rampage build

knife is better against crushers

[pseudo harbor]

And needs 7000 buff to be useful

[fallen crypt]

Idk I kinda like the crowbar still, but what about the axes?

[livid raven]

i don't like the combat axe because it's very slow, but it's a great all arounder

[brittle sierra]

All axes are good on Scum

[pseudo harbor]

Tactical Axe was good with rampage

[livid raven]

the tacaxe is pretty much the knife

but with better horde damage

[brittle sierra]

Combat Axe is by far the strongest melee on Scum with Rampage

[livid raven]

chainaxe i don't think you should use as a sidearm in a ranged build, but it's fine

[fallen crypt]

Hm ill use thst fir the penances then

[pseudo harbor]

Hmmm interesting

[upbeat gyro]

Combat Axe still fine if going chemmy route instead and needler spam?

[pseudo harbor]

I think this another build for another day

[brittle sierra]

No, adrenaline is better

[fallen crypt]

Is needler good? I haven't unlocked it yet but ive heard its popular

[pseudo harbor]

I don't like the idea of keystone only melee or something like that

[brittle sierra]

Chem dependency is only taken in order to abuse the crate bug atm

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah

[fallen crypt]

Crate bug?

[upbeat gyro]

What im asking basicly if Caxe would be good replacement for the bonesaw in this build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0cd8de6-1daa-4f60-b673-0890e53892c0/my-chempacker

[brittle sierra]

Probably the best range on Scum outside of Desperado builds

[pseudo harbor]

You need it for snipering elites or delete crushers quickly

[brittle sierra]

No

[fallen crypt]

Is needler good for desperado?

[pseudo harbor]

Eh no

[brittle sierra]

It's good but the lack of wave clear make it not useful for the ability

[upbeat gyro]

It already does everything it needs to without it

[brittle sierra]

The only reason you take it is to reset the clip

[upbeat gyro]

Freeing you up to use talents for your melee or something else

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah exactly

[livid raven]

yeah it's not good for desperado

[fallen crypt]

Hm guess back to ol reliable (shredder autopistol)

[livid raven]

you don't need desperado for needler

[brittle sierra]

You are missing some talents on the bottom right to make the bonesaw tolerable

[livid raven]

try the vraks infantry autogun

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah. It was a bad experience

[fallen crypt]

Aight

[pseudo harbor]

Sometimes it turns against you

[upbeat gyro]

Coated Weaponry?

[livid raven]

shredder/dual autogun/vraks infantry autogun are the holy trinity of desperado builds

[upbeat gyro]

Leveled with 500ish Vraks IAG, good experience

[livid raven]

i only learned to love it later

[pseudo harbor]

I wounder if pocket toxin work with Chem grenade

[livid raven]

no

[covert lagoon]

which stim effect in stimlab would be most handy with the stimm supply? currently ive just used strength boost plus crit chance and the attack speed ones.

[livid raven]

it doesn't really do anything

[upbeat gyro]

Depends what your weapons are missing

[brittle sierra]

You are missing that but also toxin mania and quick and Deadly

You also are taking rending on the stimms which is almost useless for poison damage

[astral canyon]

pocket toxin only really works with blinders tbh

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah fr

[livid raven]

they should have made it a blinder subnode

[upbeat gyro]

Im taking rending because im tired of seeing my team fail against crushers

[pseudo harbor]

I don't use it with Boom type shit

[livid raven]

it doesn't do much for the rocket launcher

[pseudo harbor]

Fair enough

[brittle sierra]

15% is not nearly enough

Especially if their weapons where not good at dealing with crushers to begin with

[upbeat gyro]

But yeah thats easy +30% dmg im missing, but i just like the two midtree dodgy nodes for survivability

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah. Rocket need to work with in your face talent

It's more than enough

[upbeat gyro]

Slippery and Jittery atleast sound like they would help me a lot since im constantly dodge sliding around

[brittle sierra]

Slippery is a waste of a node for me

Jittery is a crux

[upbeat gyro]

Ill play around with those suggestions

If ill end up dying more, then back to them

[pseudo harbor]

What is slippery?

[upbeat gyro]

I need talents that boost survivability still, not playing perfect

[astral canyon]

a fish

[pseudo harbor]

Tbh why you need melee immunity while you sliding

[astral canyon]

for not getting hit by melee

[pseudo harbor]

This mf it's really really good that make me dead because of it

[upbeat gyro]

If im in middle of thick horde with rager coming at me and dodgeslide backwards hit into something and got me stuck there for 0,1s? I honestly cant tell how effective it is, but ive just felt like it improved survivability

[north crow]

you dont dodge melee

you pick up a double barrel

[fallen crypt]

Placebo

[north crow]

and shoot em in the face

repeatedly

[pseudo harbor]

Untouchable it's the worst talent ever.

[livid raven]

slippery customer is great

for ranged builds at least

untouchable is a talent

[upbeat gyro]

I mean its nice if rager gets too close, dodgeslide backwards and unload needler into em without getting hit

[north crow]

dodge slide is enough for that my man

[pseudo harbor]

Talent.

[astral canyon]

big if true

[livid raven]

competing with Loose formation and Like a wind for worst talents

[pseudo harbor]

Add Regained Posture with them

[brave beacon]

any one play with ?

[livid raven]

i was considering it

[brave beacon]

has anyone played around with
ve ben enjoying the bone saw... it makes a good horde killer and dose an ok job agents armor too and i was wondering if it was worht trying to find the points for TM in my build

sadly the only point that i think i might want to get rid of is

[subtle zenith]

I think it would only be worth it for the bone saw

[brave beacon]

yea the curent buld im playing is bonesaw nedlee pistol

[subtle zenith]

Booby trap is a whole discussion about, but tldr: is not worth it

[austere coyote]

yeah booby trap has never seemed worth it to me

[livid raven]

it's a bad blinder on a cooldown

[pseudo harbor]

I enjoyed using this actually.

But it took years of my life to use it against real enemies.

[austere coyote]

with no guarantee the explosion will be worthwhile

[upbeat gyro]

Tried booby trap once in psykhanium, was enough to decide against it. More like talent trap.

[pseudo harbor]

If they made it so that you press a button and it explodes. It will be better

Not wait 25 minutes to kill stupid trash enemy

[brave beacon]

so the stem box build im most happy with drops a box evrey 28 secs

[pseudo harbor]

I love drugs build

[upbeat gyro]

https://youtu.be/bE8v-9wxL7Y

tl;dr Slippery gets S from him for ranged builds and Jittery C

[brave beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ginascantina-gif-24623482

[fallen crypt]

I plan to eventually run a chem build

[upbeat gyro]

Gives you the best looking bling cosmetics

Leopard pants and gold

[fallen crypt]

I also like playing out my dream job (the labs I work at wont let me drink the chemicals)

[pseudo harbor]

It's really fun and powerful

Chem grenade it's Hilarious

[candid flint]

cowared outed himself. just because they wont let you, you will let them stop you?

[pseudo harbor]

I can't believe how they can fix it

[upbeat gyro]

Reginald's Chembuild had Slippery and Jittery so thats why i defaulted to em

But maybe +30% more melee dmg might be worthwhile trade

[fallen crypt]

Your so right, I need to I ject mercury into my veins IMMEDIATELY

[upbeat gyro]

Thats how one chinese Emperor became immortal back in like 2K BC, or was it quicksilver

[candid flint]

me too i think it'd be sick, i'd turn into the t-1000 i think

[fallen crypt]

It is but people keep stealing my grenades, I need to play with more pskyer and vets so they can leave my grenades alone

[pseudo harbor]

Lol

[fallen crypt]

Quicksilver is the old name for mercury since its the only silvery element yhats a liquid at room temperature

[upbeat gyro]

"The Chinese emperor associated with quicksilver (mercury) is Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China, who died from mercury poisoning after consuming mercury-based elixirs in a desperate, ironic quest for immortality, leading to his early death and the construction of his vast mercury-filled tomb complex. "

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah english not my first language so wasnt quite sure

[fallen crypt]

Thats fair

[brave beacon]

i fell like slippery is a point tax... you get SO MANY doges with jittery the dodge immunity seems like overkill dont it?

[pseudo harbor]

That's why dogless Arbites are hilarious too

[upbeat gyro]

Could be, just feels like my survivability has gone up, but it could be multiple things, like hitting lvl 30 and getting fully consecrated curios 😂

[fallen crypt]

Dogless arbites is like pskyer without a staff, effective i guess but where's the fun in that?

[upbeat gyro]

Or maybe ive learned something along the way even? That would be best