hivescum-class

[junior dune]

also I haven't used taxe on scum yet because I'm trying to master all the new weapons

down to just bonesaw and needle pistol

[novel oracle]

Taxe goes so crazy on scum
A crit heavy weapon with bm on a crit heavy class with hyper violence

[mighty belfry]

honestly taxe feels better to me than rashad does

[zenith fern]

dude i could not even see one frame out of it

[flat lotus]

desperado scum and i like all my talents i have at the moment lots

[mighty belfry]

o-oh

don't use hyperviolence then

actually not ideal for desperado lol

[flat lotus]

i would certainly use it on rampage

that would be nasty

[mighty belfry]

i've been using it on supply actually

fairing suprisingly well

[flat lotus]

scum is my new fave class so i will probably master all the weapons

(i was maining zealot)

desperado itches my brain in the right ways

[limber cradle]

The literal only thing that keeps me from only using TAxe is the fact that cross mapping snipers with shiv exists

[flat lotus]

has anyone ever used the shotguns with desperado

[mint epoch]

double barreled works decent enough

just get some reload speed on the loadout

[flat lotus]

highly doubt its anywhere near optimal but it sounds funny

[mint epoch]

not like you have to minmax for aurics and the like anyway, it´s just silly fun

[flat lotus]

run n gun seems kind of redundant if youre using desperado ngl

i guess the close damage bonus is good but blaze away just seems much better

[foggy phoenix]

Nothing like getting rotten armor modifiers for this week's havoc

[spiral horizon]

shivs, knife

[flat lotus]

knife, shivs

im a ceritifed knife hater but i ❤️ shivs

[flat lotus]

Hate how true this is

[candid flint]

Same. Day 1 knife hater

[lavish bronze]

what would he the hordeclear combo on the saw

[ancient basin]

if attack speed is up, light spam, it can also do light > heavy repeat for side to side, or push attack > heavy > heavy > (light > heavy)

[lavish bronze]

aye

i dont see myself using the saw right now

but tha may change while i lvl it

[ancient basin]

purple mode is only for isolated crushers and flak ragers, the heavy 1 overhead with rip does a large chunk of burst damage and applies poison twice

decimator shock & awe is a stong combo on it

[fallen void]

how good is infantry auto on gun scum? seen a few people run it

[ancient basin]

shock and awe is the best though, as it improves the stagger and cleave by a large amount

IaG is good but less mobile

[tired prairie]

Comparable to Dual auto pistols, just with better ADS and worse hipfire.

Maintaining the power buff (either Dumdum or Deathspitter) on an IAG might be a bit more challenging too, but it's not that big of a deal.

[ancient basin]

better head shots for sure

[lavish bronze]

i think im gonna go wrath and refined lethality

[main trellis]

its a nice meme
untrue tho on a complex level
still funny tho

[ancient basin]

Refined helps for boss and crusher dps. Anything that can survive a 1 shot, which 80% of what you fight wont last past 1 hit base. Wrath will work for hordes

[vast yoke]

did we rlly just get 3 weeks of rotten armor

[keen timber]

yep

[vast yoke]

isn't refined lethality just worse than decimator in most cases

[jaunty spire]

I'd rather deal with rotten armour than blight spreads tbh

[keen timber]

both are unfun

but rotten is way more loadout restrictive

[limber cradle]

All my homies hate rotten armor

[vast yoke]

both are dookie but at least blight spreads doesn't fill 80% of the map with nigh unkillable elites

[spiral horizon]

blight you can at least ignore if anyone is bringing stim supply or some other corruption cleanse

[jaunty spire]

yeah, I was hoping to experiment with more builds but rotten armour forces me back to krak vet

I mean I main vet but I was hoping to play around with hive scum builds

[vast yoke]

mk3 cknife rampage build deletes rotten armor

but I'm not playing that shit bruh

I'll just wait a week

[limber cradle]

Watch RA not rotate off

[jaunty spire]

yeah, I wanna play gunslinger desparado. Let me dakka dakka dakka like a proper git

[vast yoke]

yeah sorry 4th week of rotten armor I'm afraid

[keen timber]

what rotated this week?

[vast yoke]

my head around it's neck

[keen timber]

i will surely not use psword kraks for another week because I dont want to deal with gigabulked crushers

I think the worst bit is if u get toll too so they keep the damage reduc

[jaunty spire]

yeah, as much as the power sword is great, it does get kinda stale after a while

[keen timber]

I like it a lot

it's very satisfying

I do sort of stop enjoying every match being the same thing though

slow slog fests with enemies that are too tanky to feel good to fight

[limber cradle]

It reminds me of No More Heros in a way

[vast yoke]

tbh we've been running ultra CC for last week before we got tired of rotten armor, hammerblow arbi shield + impact maxxing slab shield ogryn. the issue is when you get it 3 weeks in a row people start to get reallllly bored

[jaunty spire]

oh yeah, combine it with trench fighter drills and serrated edge with sunder, the crowd control is chef's kiss

[lavish bronze]

well teh saw i got of melk is relentless + decimator

[vast yoke]

i should prob give bonesaw a 2nd chance

maybe crit max with shred and dependency

[lavish bronze]

i know i like teh crowbar the most

[idle ore]

Try smite

[jaunty sail]

guys can you describe to me how does vraks iag sound like?

i want to see what you come up with

[lavish bronze]

like a csgo ump45

[scenic adder]

amazing

[jaunty sail]

dude you really had to hit me so hard with nostalgia

[zenith fern]

smol machine gun with big ammo mag

[zenith fern]

[jaunty sail]

the correct answer is I KNOW I KNOW FAAAAAAAAAAIREEEEEEEE

[lavish bronze]

idc i hated csgo

[jaunty sail]

cs go sucks i agree

also cs cz models suck

1.6 models all the way

although cz models arent as bad as hl1 hd pack models

speaking of bad models

never forgetti denise spageti

[fallen void]

I LOVE THIS THING

[lavish bronze]

chaxe?

yeah its nice

i like it on zealot

[jaunty sail]

explain how to use it

because i couldnt

like what is the play with it

[lavish bronze]

which mark

because how you play it differs

mk4 is light for elites heavies for horde

[fallen void]

rampage+chainaxe....

[lavish bronze]

and mk12 is the oposite

[fallen void]

mk12: lights for chaff heavies for big stuff
mk4: reverse

[lavish bronze]

revved heavy for crusher

[fallen void]

both of them are good but i like mk12 more

[lavish bronze]

its preference

however i have never seen the other chainsword

all people i encouter use 13g

[fallen void]

i hate dogs

[jaunty sail]

: ( why you kill innocent pooch

dog just being dog

[fallen void]

anyway rampage scum is pretty good

[jaunty sail]

that name

tru floridian

[dire badge]

hello my fellow scum hives. would dual shivs work well on am elee build wih rampage

[bronze glade]

Yes

Insane attack speed if paired with adrenaline

[modest patio]

There are two versions of this and both work well

[fallen void]

bit far off im afraid

[brittle sierra]

I'm wondering for crate if I should take dependency or adrenaline for shivs 🤔

Crit is very nice on shivs

[fallen void]

i run mine with adrenaline

they’re so good i wish i could use them on zealot

[willow vine]

Needle gun and shivs are op I destroy the entire game

My teammates are praying on my downfall

[lapis raft]

on crate you kinda want dependency always as the cdr is actually useful until they fix the "bug"

and without rampage hv isnt that good with shivs so the crit is nice for hc procs

[brittle sierra]

In higher difficulties, the CDR of the stimms always comes back up before the ability CDR anyways

So I don't really care about the CDR, it's more for the crit versus the attack speed

[final temple]

crit is more impactful

unless you run some insane auto clicker, at some point the attack speed just has diminishing returns over damage per swing and cleave

[brittle sierra]

I want data tho

Im curious to see how I can do a control test with this 🤔

[lapis raft]

well thats because you are doing your crate setup incorrectly, you should be running cdr on stimm as well, gives you around 80% uptime on 75s crate

and it allows you to rotate it

[brittle sierra]

Even with stimm with CDR I almost always in havoc get the stimm back up before the crate itself

[final temple]

could you provide an example stimmlab?

[brittle sierra]

Sometimes I do the double pop in downtimes

[final temple]

and this comes up faster than just running wildfire?

[brittle sierra]

But usually the stimm CDR is pretty useless on the person dropping the crate

I can see it being useful for the team tho

[lapis raft]

it is extremely useful for the team yea

[final temple]

which is kinda the selling point of supply, isn't it?

[lapis raft]

thats also why i run the bottom cdr over the top 2

as thats useful for everyone always

[brittle sierra]

I know but having unlimited stamina feels soo comfy

[lapis raft]

you should have unlimited stamina on scum by default no, idk idr last tiem i actually ran out (outside of well knife)

as slides will restore like half a bar or something

[brittle sierra]

I'm talking about very high pressure situations

Like being sandwhiched by the twins and a demon host

Dodge distance and blocking being required to get out

[exotic temple]

If it’s one crusher you can stun lock it and 2-3 tap it with rampage. The problem is if you have to dodge out of the heavy sticky animation it’s clunky af. The benefit is you can stagger lock whatever you are hitting is just awkward to use in real games

[bronze glade]

the better question is, how shit is the crowbar

[brittle sierra]

But the stimm lab itself isn't too important I'm mostly wondering what shivs wants

More crit rate or more raw damage 🤔

[exotic temple]

And caxe can get similar ttk without the bs

[final temple]

what shiv really wants is finesse damage.

once you hit like 70% crit, finesse damage starts to overtake more crits.

[lapis raft]

well in those situatons giving your teammates the cdr is generally gonna be more useful most likely

[ancient basin]

Crow bar is right in the middle of all melee weapons. It can kill carapace, deal with hordes, block fine, and stagger decently. Only down side is it has power sword tier dodges, and the alt mode for killing carapace is even slower due to the rip animations.

[bronze glade]

i don't see how a weapon that has 1/3rd the horde clear speed of a rashad is mid

it's just straight up bad lol

[brittle sierra]

I 1000% agree with this statement

Never used crowbar

[dire badge]

is coated weaponry useful on the bonesaw?

theo ne that coats enemy in toxin on crit

[charred bronze]

Napkin math based on CombatStats after each run, I get an average of roughly 10% more rampage/despo uptime by tailoring the stimm to melee or ranged. Probably more if I were better at timing it

[livid raven]

what's the best knife mark again

[exotic temple]

I like it because it’s an extra stack on crit I wouldn’t call it necessary

[final temple]

no.

[charred bronze]

I recently did a run with 25% cdr node selected after having not used it in a long time, and it was notable (and painful) how often I was waiting for despo to come back up.

[bronze glade]

6

tho i like 3

[jaunty sail]

more dakka

ork gameplay

[brittle sierra]

Btw I'm starting a new campaign for Warhammer 3

Vote with emoji reactions 😈

[final temple]

if you dont play ogre kingdoms, you are wasting your life.

[brittle sierra]

Ok we got one for ogres

2 for ogres

[dire badge]

do u ugys ever use the purple shit on bonesaw?

[final temple]

yes

[lapis raft]

10% more or +10%?

[bronze glade]

only worth it for carapace

[dire badge]

yeah i sue it on cruhsers but im not seeing faster kill times

[final temple]

it's less for yourself and more for your team. just like brittleness in general.

[brittle sierra]

From 1-10 how comfy is she?

[lapis raft]

the baseline on saw is so giga trash into carapace you need quite a bit of brittle stacks but toxin is probs gonna do most of the killing there anyway :d

idk how many does saw apply on blue mode dont have debuff indicators

[jaunty sail]

21

[livid raven]

mostly for your team

[jaunty sail]

i speak doggish

[livid raven]

otherwise you should probably slam crushers with toxin anyway

[lapis raft]

i wouldnt even bother right clicking crushers with saw ngl just needle them use saw for rest

*left

[livid raven]

is executor bugged at the moment

[lapis raft]

i was getting stacks just fine in psykhanium when i was testing it at least otherwise idk

[tired prairie]

In what way would it be bugged?

[livid raven]

apparently you don't gain more strength with more stacks

[lapis raft]

lol

[charred bronze]

~40% uptime vs 50%+ uptime, again, I haven't made a spreadsheet or anything, but it was extremely notable in play too

as tracked by combat stats

and that was me slamming the 25% stimm as soon as despo ended

[lapis raft]

yea thats 25% more uptime thats very significant

[haughty badger]

if it refreshed cooldown while the ability is active (like concentration stimm does) then that uptime could be way higher

anyway, cool looking picture of my Scum. the colors dont really come out in this, but the pose is cool

[lavish bronze]

Shotgun

[haughty badger]

shotgun

[candid flint]

shotgun

[brittle sierra]

this goes hard 😔

[bronze glade]

Idk hard to tell if it’s hard if I can’t see the bottom half

[junior dune]

me when I wear camo pants

really annoying that the Toughness recovery stim penance seems to only count the toughness you actually regenerate

the attack speed and strength penances are easy because those always apply

[amber sundial]

Atk speed being 1000 higher than strength for no reason was weird

[junior dune]

also true

[amber sundial]

still easy but just weird

[junior dune]

but then again, when have penances in this game ever made sense?

[charred bronze]

I got it done in mortis. Just toughness, and followed around malice players keeping them alive as best I could

[junior dune]

“stun 3 billion enemies with stun grenades for the chance to wear a leather thong over your face”

[charred bronze]

since I believe it counts toughness regenerated by allies too

[amber sundial]

Fan-atic is the only penance that makes sense because rule of cool

[zenith pagoda]

I saw someone with the best hivescum name

Legsbreaker

[junior dune]

nice

[echo python]

My arbites is named Legs

[pallid quail]

lore accurate btw

[junior dune]

kid named legs

i saw someone complaining about the lore accuracy of using toxins against Nurgle forces but my headcanon is that it’s bleach or hand sanitizer or something like that which actually destroys infection.

[amber sundial]

Well nurgle just makes them not feel pain, if their flesh melts no amount of unfeeling is gonna keep that moving

[pallid quail]

its that nasty purple stuff they use to clean the floors in restaurant kitchens

[junior dune]

filling my needle gun with penicillin before taking on the hordes of Chaos

[amber sundial]

Hell nah keep that away from me

gonna be more lethal to me than any chaos you shoot that at

[junior dune]

shivs coated in vaccine doses

[zealous ravine]

shivs coated in lean

[final temple]

being a nurgle cultist doesnt make you immune against toxins.

otherwise tox bombers would have no point either xD

[junior dune]

wait the steam review lied to me??

[zealous ravine]

steam reviews would never lie

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[junior dune]

but it strengthens enemies that walk through it, it doesn’t hurt them

[keen timber]

nurgle is a god of disease and decay not poisons

there's some overlap

and sure they're more resistant

but they're not immune

[junior dune]

unguent of shriving is definitely something like this

injecting the flesh tree with bleach

[final temple]

Path of the Dark Eldar specifically depicts how Plague Marines, arguably the most resilient of the mortal forces of nurgle are not immune against drukhari toxins

[junior dune]

ah cool.

[hearty night]

They're not really immune against diseases either, they just enjoy them. supposedly.

[keen timber]

the warp connection to nurgle stops a lot of the more uh

lethal effects

but they're still doing damage

I believe there's a book or story or something where the warp connection gets cut off for a bit and they immediately just fucking break down

[final temple]

in any case, tox away, young stimmer

yeah, several

[junior dune]

chem grenades are just tide pods with detonators

[lavish bronze]

chems are likely manufactorum waste

[junior dune]

so that’s why all the hive scum are constantly shoplifting detergent from the commissaries

[pallid quail]

acid from all the batteries we forgot to throw in the ocean ...

[junior dune]

leftover sulfuric acid from dissolving rival gang members

[astral canyon]

I like to think its actually waste from stimm/drug production

[final temple]

it’s my acid reflux after reading too much tau #34

[tranquil berry]

It's just mountain dew baja blast, new formula

[junior dune]

it’s faygo from all the juggalo hive scum

[keen timber]

Equal effectiveness on nurglite cultists and MTG players

[brittle sierra]

Asmongold's nightmare

[rotund agate]

I always wonder what MTG means, until I have to remind myself that Magic The Gathering exists...

[spiral horizon]

hittin' em with the tea tree oil

[compact depot]

do dual pistols work in havoc 40

[woeful hill]

Yes

[compact depot]

sweet thanks

[marsh plover]

On dual auto pistols, run 'n' gun or pinning fire

[vocal saffron]

No nothing works in havoc 40 dual pistols arent havoc 2000 viable

[woeful hill]

Default orange

Special blue

[vocal saffron]

Bornana

[woeful hill]

Mk6 buffs orange

Mk2 buffs special

[vocal saffron]

Would a grizzly bear or an alligator win in a fight

Are grizzly bears havoc 40 viable

[marsh plover]

I never knew it had two mk's

I assumed it was just the one

[woeful hill]

Most weapons have 2-3

Bar maybe like 8 weapons

Plasma, shredder, double barrel, flamer, arby weapons (not shotgun), psyker staffs, ogryn shield, Pmaul, Grenade gauntlet, rumbler, kickback, bone saw, crowbar, duel pistols, duel smg

I think that's all with only 1 mark

[marsh plover]

Thats a nice bit but i assume it had only the 1 mk because very unique weapons have only one

[woeful hill]

I see

Fair point since it's mostly correct

[marsh plover]

The mk 2 with the aoe spreading chem toxin sounds kinda busted, never knew

[woeful hill]

Yes

Needler is too strong rn

[astral canyon]

en

[keen timber]

it is

[faint fossil]

if this scum player is here hope he can review his gameplay cause he was for sure talking when he died early on, kept going down and the moment me and the other player clutched first thing he does is take the health even tho me and the arbi were low hp

couldn't clear shit with rampage plus shivs

[woeful hill]

No need to shame, just block and ignore

[vocal saffron]

U cant reason w these ppl

Yah just block and ignore

Kr

Alternatively

[faint fossil]

nah its one thing to insult me but the other player was a newbie

[vocal saffron]

U can ragebait them

[faint fossil]

i don't care at that point

[woeful hill]

Then make a report

[astral canyon]

Were they anarchist

[lavish bronze]

rampage benefits crowbar and saw more than the shivs imo

[faint fossil]

yes

yes they were

[astral canyon]

Lore accuratte

[faint fossil]

i run rampage with crowbar and shivs

shivs can destroy with rampage

[astral canyon]

ramage

[faint fossil]

ramage

[lavish bronze]

melee scum with crowbar is gonna be my main build

ranged second

and i doubt i will play with the crate

yes its nice to buff teamates

[faint fossil]

its not always the anarchist players but most of the time its the anarchist players

[lapis raft]

anarchist + jonkler cosplayer, gg go next :d

[faint fossil]

one of my crate builds is pretty good

issue is when im left to clutch with the crate

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-batman-batman-absolute-kick-dc-dc-batman-gif-7467735231163525917

any enemy when im running crate

[brittle sierra]

I'm the scum player 😈

[jaunty sail]

its actually me

put me in jail

[marsh plover]

Is it worth running deseprato for needle gun?

[unique dagger]

no

you have infinite amo

[marsh plover]

Yeah didnt think so

[unique dagger]

play a melee build, use the pistol during your downtime

and to instastack bosses to 30

takes one needle to kill most specials

[marsh plover]

What blessings and perks?

[unique dagger]

try my build if you want to

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d582b-0cdc-4c42-8ea5-59195fa259ae/hamdols-melee-hive-scum-havoc-40

[woeful hill]

Erm

1/10

No 4 stacks of chem depend

We need drugs

Not a real addict

[unique dagger]

damn

I also changed the stim for the build

[woeful hill]

Question ham

Weakspot damage?

Why

It takes the same calculation as the perk

[unique dagger]

it's still a solid roughly %15 dmg up on headshots for shivs

that's solid for going through rotten armor/armor waves in regular havoc

especially with hyper critical in play

also the stim is different

I don't run cooldown no more

[woeful hill]

I really wanna test the weakspot damage talent

It doesn't seem good unless you have a free point

[unique dagger]

Test it with the build

it's decent for this style

[woeful hill]

Going to after studying

[final temple]

idk idk. I don't see the value in sweet spot and coated weapons. I would rather put these into rampage

[unique dagger]

Play with %20 rending stim + attack speed

it's purpose is damagemaxxing for hyper critical cleanups

[unique dagger]

pop it before engaging and before you lose stacks

[unique dagger]

coated weapons is for keeping 30 stacks on boss while meleeing

after toxining it with gun

you can do it with specials as well

[keen timber]

lmao

[unique dagger]

but I prefer not thinking about it

[faint fossil]

damn 2 people playing the same scum

no wonder the gameplay changed

man after maining ogryn since launch whenever i play scum i swear i have the bad habit of when i see a mauler overhead coming to a teammate i just don't move

thinking i can take the hit

[woeful hill]

How to sum up ogryn players

Ignore game mechaincs

[faint fossil]

exactly

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-mad-max-fury-road-gif-mad-max-road-rage-powerful-gif-23410772

[faint fossil]

at least with rampage i can take 1 mauler overhead

[jaunty sail]

desperado and bokkake spray with vraks iag

literally maulers kryptonite

[worn yoke]

blight spread pox gas and rotten armor in the same mission holy fuuuuck this havoc sucks

[dim moth]

pox gas instant demote

[loud herald]

I got rotten armor for the first time in havoc recently

I understand now why people hate it so much

[worn yoke]

rotten and pox gas shouldnt exist they're so unfun

[final temple]

laughs in crate spam

[dim moth]

Rotten Armor USED to be tolerable until fatshark buffed it

Used to only affect ranged damage

But then Fatshark in their infinite wisdom saw people already complaining about the modifier's armor spam waves

And decided to make it worse

[trim wind]

They should make them immune to blitzes too just for fun

[foggy phoenix]

I knew randomly logging in would finally yield me the last 17 toughness curio for my scum

[loud herald]

Hugh mungus

[foggy phoenix]

It's so beautiful.

[unique dagger]

ok lads listen

I did soem testing

sample collector doesn't actually give you %2 off

if you dont get the kill with toxin

I was noticing it when my stim wasnt coming off cd fast enough so did some psykhanium testing rn

its bugged

[foggy phoenix]

Isn't it basically CD regen buff for a moment, instead of outright CD reduction on kill?

Pretty sure people have already known that

[zealous ravine]

i love darktide

[unique dagger]

it's working as intended, as %1 cd off

but it is not giving you %2 instead when you get a kill on toxinned enemy

it only counts if the toxin itself gets the kill

[rotund agate]

wow, I didn't know that... But is that part working as intended too?

I suddenly am starting to doubt my decision of running Sample Collector with literally every Sccum build, just because I now know I'd need to let the DoT kill stuff (I don't use Chem Nades, only Pocket Tox Blinders)

[unique dagger]

you get %1 off from my testing for every kill still

you just dont get the %2

if the toxin doesnt kill

I'd still utilise it for faster cycling of stim but it is a weaker choice now

[astral canyon]

Its still really good even without toxin kills

[worn yoke]

even if it doesnt work as intended 1 chem grenade or a few needle kills or just big hordes will make it worth anyways

man desperado iag has been so much fun

unending minigun

[final temple]

sample collector still single nodedly carries most builds as is 😂

[charred bronze]

what exactly does the bomber gas do to buff the dudes that walk through it? More health, more damage?

[tight dragon]

what does burple do

[woeful hill]

"There are currently three sources of toxic gas: Dreg Tox Bomber grenades, the 'Pox Gas' mutator, and the gas clouds from Karnak Twins ambushes and boss fight. All sources apply the same buffs to enemies (see below). Enemies who are in toxic gas receive applicable buffs and keep them for 6s after leaving toxic gas. Buffs are applied to all enemies including Captains, Twins (if they are in Dreg Tox Bomber gas cloud), and monstrosities; toxic gas spawned in relation to Karnak Twins events (ambushes, boss fight) and the Havoc mutator 'Rotten Armour' only affects Poxwalkers and no other enemies.

• adds green VFX to enemies' eyes (Beast of Nurgle and Chaos Spawn don't play the VFX but receive applicable buffs regardless)
• reduces incoming damage by 20%
• increases enemy movement speed by 30%; does not apply to Captains/Twins and monstrosities; Mutants are the only specials that have their movement speed increased
• increases enemy hit mass by 150% which makes enemies harder to cleave; weapon blessings like Devastating Strike, Perfect Strike, Savage Sweep, Shock & Awe, Sunder, and Wrath that buff an attack's effective hit mass limit can mitigate this effect"

from

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3318538305

Kuli's debuff/buff page

[charred bronze]

preciate you Ainz

I really need to just bookmark all of Kuli's stuff

[woeful hill]

do that

please

[charred bronze]

and done

[woeful hill]

Kuli is one of the best sources for DT

[worn yoke]

Stupid tox bombers that i hate

[charred bronze]

tox bombers are irritating af, yes

[vocal saffron]

Tox gas modifier that also spawns in 18 toxbombers

[shy blaze]

hey, the stim buff i use, like talent, it give me thes ebuff each time i use a stim i looted in agame ?

[winter tusk]

Scum cant pick up normal stims

Your stimlab is a repeat use item that locks you out of normal stims

[shy blaze]

so how do i get the buff of stimlab ?

[livid raven]

you press 4

or press your ability if you have stimm supply

[mint valve]

Why did they make the middle node so ass compared to chem dep

Chem dep is literally just free cooldown

[vocal saffron]

The middle keystone?

Adrenaline ?

Whar..

[astral canyon]

Adrenaline is literally just free damage

[vocal saffron]

Quite a bit

Massive dps boost

Attack speed and 25% damage

[drifting heron]

And its damage so its multiplicative with the power from rampage

[vocal saffron]

Yerp

On hit and not on kill unless u take the nodes (u should take one or the other)

And 5% tness gen during its activation

Pretty Nice

A little less than the tness gen u get from inexorable

On zealot

[worn yoke]

i still think the adren modifiers are buns

2 of them feel like band aids to make it work

need more flava

[dim moth]

I actually stopped using chem dep on my crate build

100% crit chance is funny and all but attack speed and damage is so much better

[candid flint]

most ppl i run into are using chem dep

[spiral horizon]

because they're stoners

[candid flint]

but i def prefer vultures for ranged and adrenaline for melee still

[worn yoke]

if drugs are so bad why do i get so strong from them

[candid flint]

drug glorification, in my warhammer?? ??

[trim wind]

Especially that guy who kept vaping over his mic everytime he went down which was always

[worn yoke]

i forgot who said it but i do agree they should bring some of the mortis trials stuff for scum into his actual tree

iirc he gets some funky stimms?

[pallid quail]

sry was me

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cheapest-drug-tim-meadows-dewey-cox-gif-17887399

[candid flint]

i believe fatshark scoured that gameplay and it was the reason we ahve hivescum now

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children-think-about-the-children-children-the-simpsons-gif-20004023

[candid flint]

they wanted-no--needed to make a class for that vaper

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-hard-the-dewey-cox-story-kinda-want-it-gif-12796072

[rotund agate]

I have one melee build with adrenaline, and one with chem dep.

I like chem dep because its so accessible (I always take sample collector, so its basically super easy to get compared to something like vulture's mark, as I always have to waste a point into hypercrit just to reach it), and because it saves me a point on a melee build (adrenaline needs 3 extra nodes to be good imo, those 3 nodes being unbound, smiter and stoked rage, while chem dep needs just 2 at most, one for the crit node, with the toughness node being a potential bonus)

[tranquil fjord]

adrenaline frenzy feels hard to fully utilize, with buffs which have diminishing returns

[astral canyon]

Its literally just free damage

You activate it you get better at killing

Its not that complicated

[tranquil fjord]

im not saying its bad

chemical dependency has just really easy conditions, even easier than the conditions of adrenaline frenzy

which are constantly active

[mighty belfry]

i orefer adrenaline frenzy over chem dep if i'll be real

smiter makes adrenaline really consistent to upkeep

[astral canyon]

The condition is use your melee

Thats pretty much it

If youre doing a melee build the condition is piss easy

[rotund agate]

not true imo, chem dep needs you to use your stim within a time limit to both build up and maintain stacks, while adrenaline just needs you to click spam in melee...

[tranquil fjord]

the stacks are lost one at a time, where you can just let your stacks be one below the maximum and then stim while entering combat

[rotund agate]

I myself am just saying that chem dep needs so little point investment compared to adrenaline, meaning more points to put into literally anything else, that taking chem dep (probably) feels more comfortable for most players.

[tranquil fjord]

the stacks are lost one at a time, where you can just let your stacks be one below the maximum and then stim while entering combat

[final temple]

You Camorans were always foul people!

[candid flint]

the foulest of a foul race

you are jealous

[final temple]

also the one crit node kinda outperforms all bonuses from frenzy. but whatever makes you enjoy playing a build is best.

[final temple]

nah. I sit in my death swamp content with everybody just fucking off while I get high on tree sap and the evil hivemind tells me who to kill next

Kirkbride’s TES lore remains best.

[candid flint]

the farm equipment is talking

why

[mighty belfry]

I'll be real, it depends on what you're trying to do

I run adrenaline on my melee supply scum because I run a full crit stim and I don't need that extra 15%

The extra damage and attack speed gives me way more mileage for what I'mm doing with that build.

On top of the passive toughness regen

Which is actually kinda huge for an aggressive playstyle.

[tranquil fjord]

what

[dim moth]

I have 87% crit chance what do you honestly think another 15% is going to do for me damage wise

That 25% damage and 10% attack speed will not

It's funny to see guaranteed crits for 15 seconds straight that's for sure

[random shuttle]

Love me Scummy Arsenal

[astral canyon]

WIDE scum

[drifting heron]

Heavy sword scum is very balanced

16 kills in a swing

[lapis raft]

having hypercrit and coated proc always makes pretty big difference ngl

[candid flint]

ty for your honesty

and not lying

love to see it

[dim moth]

hyper crit will proc on things more often with higher damage

[lapis raft]

will it tho, does the 25% inc damage enable any breakpoints?

[final temple]

I would have likely divested other crit sources in finesse where applicable.

[shy blaze]

how do my special stim of hivescum do reset ?

[final temple]

it’s on a cooldown

[shy blaze]

ok bcause nothing show a cooldown or smthing, do we know the cd time ?

[final temple]

the stimmlab shows you the cooldown when you concoct your poison. apart from that the timer is sadly not numerical on the default UI. it starts with baseline 15sec and can go up to 72dec

[shy blaze]

oooh ok i didnt saw it haha ty !

[mighty belfry]

this right here

just having the highest crit chance isn't entirely synergetic with hypercrit

because you need more damage for that crit to reach the threshold for the one shot

[tropic crag]

you'd probably be fine if you were also rocking haymaker since that will cover the gap from time to time by proccing on its own

[mighty belfry]

this usually doesn't matter for first targets but say, for horde clear, definitely makes a big difference because of cleave distribution

[lapis raft]

well my point is what if you are already on the threshold. for example with mk6 knife i alraedy one shot most important stuff as long as i crit on crate build

[tropic crag]

honestly i assumed most hypercrit builds were running closer to 50% crit since that would mean ALOT of uptime

[lapis raft]

and shivs heavy should be similar

[mighty belfry]

even in auric, i've ran into situations where a crit won't always guarantee the one shots

and on top of that, extra attack speed means you're critting more frequently anyway by volume of attacks

[lapis raft]

well 10% attack speed wont make up for having to attack extra time because you didnt crit

[mighty belfry]

it very usually does. 15% on a very high crit build really isn't that impactful

you already crit a vast majority of the time on the right setups

[bronze glade]

lol dafuq

anyone else seeing this?

[tight musk]

I personally wouldn't really take hyper-crit on a full melee build. If I crit an enemy for more than half their health and they survive, my next hit will most likely heavily overkill them and fuel hyper-violence.

[mighty belfry]

uh oh

[tropic crag]

i think the math wouldn't agree over a certain amount of time, but i hate math soo much i dropped out of comp science so i could be wrong

[mighty belfry]

I see.

[bronze glade]

@mighty belfry why are you scamming people

[mighty belfry]

It still thinks I'm hacked. LMAO

[bronze glade]

ahhh

that's what happened

[mighty belfry]

yeah i had a bit of a compromise earlier

[final temple]

tsk tsk

[mighty belfry]

It's fixed already but I guess Discord is taking precautions.

[bronze glade]

how do we know you're not an imposter

[tropic crag]

you're not being filtered by me so its probably a thing that might lag based on their stored temp files

[spiral horizon]

sorry but I'm gonna have to hold you in solitary until you can verify your identity to me with those 3 funny numbers on the back of your credit card

[mighty belfry]

6

67

[final temple]

we know they are an imposter because they still defend frenzy 🫣

[mighty belfry]

I've been defending frenzy well before this sir.

Because I am

[spiral horizon]

FN Herstal Six-Seven

[final temple]

you were an imposter all along!

[mighty belfry]

~A professional gaslighter~ uwu

[lapis raft]

math definitely agrees on average, you always just use percentage change for stuff like this

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-gif-22100680

[mighty belfry]

Seriously though, like, I do think Adrenaline at least if you wanna try and do a melee build that's not rampage

Is a perfectly valid option.

[lapis raft]

going from 87% to 100% crit is critting 14.9% more often, going from 100 to 110% attack speed means you are critting 10% more often

so only thing that matters is if the 25% damage actually brings you to good breakpoints or not

[tropic crag]

depends on how many attacks you gain with the 10% over a period of time, and then attack speed would probably gain even more ground in practical application since 10% attack speed can make some things you'd have to not swing on swingable

[mighty belfry]

Like, chem dep is great. But for some setups, I honestly would prefer adrenaline.

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-heresy-meme-gif-27213968

[mighty belfry]

OH GOD THIS PERSON

i've played with them a bunch

[lapis raft]

well that applies to also having less enemies around as you did not had to attack them twice, also both knife and shivs already attack very fast, especially if you also click swift endurance which you are on hypercrit anyway

[mighty belfry]

or it's just another person with Junkrat but they usually get downed and leave

[lapis raft]

(and my % change actually did not accounted for having swift endurance)

[tropic crag]

my gut feeling is that the napkin math would be misleading in a situation like this but thats just a gut feeling based off of past experience so i could be very very very wrong

[final temple]

just sabotage the math and not attack continuously

[mighty belfry]

actually, this right here was me running a melee supply build with adren and no pickpocket on a monstrosity auric in gloriana

#hivescum-class message

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[mighty belfry]

me and an ogryn had to duo it

and lock tf in

it was hella fun

[tropic crag]

i saw that , felt too baity for even me to type in that thread

[final temple]

wat?

[tropic crag]

its amazing how often fake 40k fans out themselves tho

[random shuttle]

Lorewise "There is hardly 1 space marine per planet"
Loerwise "There is about ten morbillion hive scum per hive"

That guy:
"Akchually it would be more likely to have space marines than hundreds of scum"

[tropic crag]

wonder why he thinks the arby have such a hard time taking them out

[lapis raft]

well it always depends but you started with math part and there the crit def always wins :d but also from my experience when i was doing triple stam memes with knife and then just dropped 2 stam curious it barely made any difference, 1 still felt nice so kept it but as also has diminishing returns

[final temple]

I feel like uttering expletives.

like the hard h word

[tight musk]

How dare people living in the hive city actually defend their hive city.

[tropic crag]

pretty sure the meta is to go no bonus stam because i don't think that skill really pays off the way people think it does and its best value is with zero extra stam since its the same return for less investment

[lapis raft]

(also as you can see i rly do not like shivs with crate i just run knife always xd)

and switched my previous shiv crate setup to chainaxe

[random shuttle]

I am the Gatekeeping Final Boss. Gaslight. Girlboss. Gatekeep. Since I am a Warhammer fan for literally 30 years. I was there, when it was written. I have first Realm of Chaos books. I have WFRP 1st Edition. I have forgotten more lore than most would learn! My Weaponised Super-Nerd-Tism is uncanny!

Amongst Game Store and Basement, I alone, am the Undeodoranted One.

[tropic crag]

chainaxe is probably my favorite weapon on scum atm, followed by bonesaw

[random shuttle]

Whenever I see people sharing ther Lore Wisdom on any Warhammer Game all 5 of my chins shake in admonition.

[lapis raft]

well that depends on weapon right, on shivs/knife the swift endurance returns alone are pretty bad, especially on knife, it is still better than ammo jack when pathing to hypercrit for sure as baseline tho

[versed spruce]

Nah, anarchist is a fun personality

[final temple]

didn’t mention slaves to d0rkness. fake!

[lapis raft]

yea i started trying chainaxe because i saw your message about mk12 here :d

def my fav one too atm

[tropic crag]

lol its just good

and fun

[mighty belfry]

also idk if it's just me

[random shuttle]

I member when people genuinely speculated Hrud being added as an army.

HRUD.

[mighty belfry]

having that extra 10% attack speed

also just makes me feel safer in melee

[final temple]

shivs without swift endurance feel sluggish. with it, no stamina curios feels perfect

[random shuttle]

I 'membmer Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau!

[final temple]

listen. I remember female space marines.

[tight musk]

Is that the female space marine?

[tropic crag]

were those like... skaven in 40k at first?

[random shuttle]

That's Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau, you numpty!

[random shuttle]

kinda sorta

[random shuttle]

I member when Tyranids had /Diplomats/

[final temple]

I remember when Fists celebrated eating shit.

[random shuttle]

I member when first Necrons were Chaos Infested AI robots.

[final temple]

YOU take that back!

[tropic crag]

they.... still could be argued to be that

[final temple]

I have the White Dwarf where they came up with necrons!

[random shuttle]

I member when a Dreadnought was just a suit of armour for a guy sitting inside!

[tropic crag]

i don't like how they've changed killer kan lore for the orks over time

[random shuttle]

I member when Space Marines were street police in Hive Cities

[final temple]

those were the days.

[tropic crag]

honestly the arby carry that legacy proudly

[final temple]

scum made me rekindle my appreciation for necromunda. I might start collecting Delaque again.

[tropic crag]

or they do their best to live up to it at least

[random shuttle]

New lore only rarely has some true gems of true OG Warhammer Goofiness I love.

The last bit that really made me tear up with nerd joy

was introduction of, my beloved

Massif Ballistus

The stupidest most awesome thing added to Warhammer recently.

[tropic crag]

it does feel like sometimes new lore is just trying to patch all the really stupid holes left in the goofy like 20 years before they started trying to make it make more sense

[final temple]

PVKK being 40k confirmed

[random shuttle]

Proppa Warhammer Idiocy.

10/10, no notes.

[hardy maple]

something about the scale here just screams wrong

[random shuttle]

This gun fires Skycraper sized shells

[tropic crag]

for when you have to shoot a sizable portion of your planets resources somewhere else

[random shuttle]

Each time it fires a city built around it is destroyed 😄

and the best part?

It's reloaded manually

by people

[hardy maple]

damn thats peak

HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES THAT TAKE

holy shit

[random shuttle]

Hundreds of thousand 😄

[tropic crag]

lol my favorite part of that blurb is some freebooterz caused them to hit their own moon, not even a propa waaaaagh

[final temple]

yes.

[random shuttle]

Lorewise, Massif Ballistus have entire GUILDS

dedicated to, for example

lubricating the gun

[tropic crag]

yeah it would be structured like big void ships at that point

[random shuttle]

Lube Guild hires countless thousands of people to make their entire life about smearing the gun with lube.

[hardy maple]

you live and die by the lube

you eat the lube, you sleep in the lube

[final temple]

‘Lubus Maximus, Master of the sacred unguent of flush(water based)’

[random shuttle]

"Son, my father was a lube guy. His father was a lube guy. His grandpappy was a lube guy. And you, too, will proudly spent your long 30 years of life carrying canisters of Sacred Lubricant to smear over the cannon."

Lots of fun little lore bits about Massif Ballistus.

For example

[tropic crag]

since they don't know who built it i wonder if its housing some heretical AI stuff they are just choosing to not look too closely at or try to turn on

[random shuttle]

one would think that having a planetary gun so comedically impossible would make most enemies of Imperium stay waaaaaaaaay the fuck away.

But...

If you have an Ork Brain...

And you see this kind of Dakka...

[hardy maple]

Thats the problem with Orks

you fight them and they just wanna fight more

[tropic crag]

its like when a dog barks, if you yell the dog thinks you're barking with it. You have to not join in if you want the problem solved

[random shuttle]

As for lore stupidity

I still love that Speranza

has a cannon that fires black holes

and a cannon that fires Time Travel

[tropic crag]

if it can fit in the barrel, its ammo

[random shuttle]

Enemy Ship: "HAHA! You've MISSED!"

Speranza:

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-rewind-time-happy-gif-14810665

[tight musk]

Sending the enemy to that one awkward moment they had in high school so they can feel embarrassed again.

[random shuttle]

No no

its even better

Speranza often uses its Time travel gun

to shift enemy ship back in time

and make it

crash into itself

logic

[tight musk]

Stop hitting yourself.

[random shuttle]

Or that ork

who travelled back in time

to kill himself

so he can have second copy of his favorite gun

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

[hardy maple]

what an ork reason

[pallid quail]

based tbh

[random shuttle]

OId Orks lore is truly delightfully unhinged

Wazdakka Gutzmek once made a Speed Waaagh so huge that when Imperium Navy appeared over a desert world Gutzmek occupied, he made his entire army make a planet size writing in smoke and dust spelling "ZOG OFF"

[tropic crag]

the scariest part of that story is that they could spell it

[random shuttle]

Then he jumped with his bike through a Warlord Titan head, ripped the heads of its princeps and moderati, came out the other end of the titan and, I shit you not, just drove his bike into Space.

[hardy maple]

Orks are stupid, warbosses are smart

[tropic crag]

honestly compared to the average imperium humans, orks are probably way smarter ork to ork

mostly because of all the genetic knowledge

[random shuttle]

I loved reading that book

were Orks invaded Dark Eldars city

and Deldars were constanty finding out that impossible is merely a suggestion to Orks

[tropic crag]

because humans have to rely on education and the imperium is lacking in that area but orks are just born knowin gwhat they need to know

[tropic crag]

when dying is a form of propagation actually impossible becomes a higher bar

[random shuttle]

my fav piece of orky lore

is that they often disable geller fields when travelling through warp

just to have demons invade them for some fun

[pallid quail]

sometimes i wish i was a 40k ork

[pallid quail]

you think if i paint my ogryn green theyll adopt me ?

[random shuttle]

tbh Orks would likely absolutely chum it out with Ogryns

[pallid quail]

bully seems very orky

[amber sundial]

If you wish hard enough eventually you might turn into one

Ork logic

[pallid quail]

you got it backwards man

they gotta believe that painting me green will make me an ork

[random shuttle]

Lots of lore already tell us

that Orks consider humanity to be like

failed orks

[amber sundial]

Shrimply beat up biggest and greenest ork to prove you are better ork

[random shuttle]

With beakies being almost 99% orky but ruining it by not enjoying fights

[final temple]

I swear, Godwyn’s Law also applies to 40k lore discussions, just instead of you know who it’s Orks. It’s always Orks.

[random shuttle]

Orks also 100% approve of Imperial Knights and Titans

like, 0 notes.

[amber sundial]

don’t the orks also approve of Big E

just not the rest of us

[random shuttle]

Uftak even mention that Knights/Titans are proppa orky because they have their heads located like an ork. Low, hanging between shoulders, stooped down. Proper. Wise. Orky.

[random shuttle]

ye

[pallid quail]

yea

theyd still fight him tho

[random shuttle]

Orks lorewise consider Big E 'the biggest humie boss' and therefore, super cool

[pallid quail]

or at least try

[final temple]

Remember, when the Beast had the Imperium at its throat at Terra, they sent an Envoy.

[random shuttle]

I mean

Yarrick serves Emprah

[amber sundial]

yea because they love fighting

[random shuttle]

so Emprah must be awesome

I do love

that IN LORE Orks

fanboy over Yarrick

[mighty dew]

Okay kinda shamed to say this but I just realized how good speedloader and speedload combo is

[astral canyon]

Speedloaderer

[mighty dew]

speedestloaderest

[light phoenix]

Seedloader

[final temple]

I am speed.

[rotund agate]

I mean, Yarrick did lose his arm to a big ork, only to kill said big ork, steal his power-klaw, and later replace his own missing arm with that power-klaw.

as far as orks understand, Yarrick is worthy of fanboying (even if we'd somehow ignore everything else about Yarrick, him stealing his ork opponent's arm after winning a duel and replacing his battle injury with it is probably reason enough for in lore orks to fanboy over him).

there is also the potential line of Yarrick holding the power-klaw, and threatening the orks who were going to go help the big ork he just killed with "like for like. which part of yourselves are you willing to give me?", leading to the orks running away.

[light phoenix]

Orks believed Yarricks cybernetic eye can kill with a stare so he had the Mechanicus install a laser blaster in his cyborg eye

[grand jewel]

yeah that

[light phoenix]

My headcanon is that Ghazkull is gonna WAAGH against Angron for his lost best war buddy

[final temple]

Apart from this one display of orkish morals, he is also a tenacious fighter and an accomplished strategist. He is kunningky brutal and brutally kunning.

[dim moth]

I'm still confused as how to Veteran's infinite ammo via Shock Trooper is considered fine, but Pickpocket here on Scum is considered overpowered

[rough nimbus]

people hate lasweapons

[amber sundial]

because ermmmm ermmm it lasts for 30 seconds!!!! (Shock troop is permanent)

wait I’m mixing up pickpocket and desperado

ermmmm because it gives you ammo if you had none on kill!!!! (Survivalist does the same)

[rough nimbus]

if laspistol applied toxin as a dot instead of fire it would probably be even more broken than needle pistol

but other than that no one plays helbore or recon lasgun or the infantry las

[dim moth]

I guess

But like Shock Trooper is just as infinite of ammo but it does it by not consuming the ammo at all

So you just never reload

[rough nimbus]

pretty sure you get like 100% crit chance with las pistol too

can fire that thing all day lol

[amber sundial]

I guess people just don’t know how to crit is all

[light phoenix]

It'd be fun if some Blitz interact with one another

Eg: Zealot Immolation Grenade and Scum Tox Grenade

[rough nimbus]

I'm surprised dot stacking doesn't lead to more unique interactions at this point

majority of this game at this point is just different colored enemies

[dim moth]

It's like 80% yeah

but like you can get a 1:1 equivalent to iag scum with recon lasgun deadshot

using Mk XIV variant

[dawn portal]

Imagine fat shark coding that. You throw your fire nade on the chem nade, some number underflows and the whole map goes into the warp

[dim moth]

just go through missions and shoot everything

[rough nimbus]

I used to run mmf recon lasgun for fun

that was a good time

probs even better after buffs, more facetanking for deadshot upkeep against shooter seeds

[light phoenix]

Seeds???

[rough nimbus]

if room is shooter, then shooter seed

[dim moth]

that seed was lots of bulwarks/crushers/maulers

oh wait you mean

yeah enemy seeds exist for missions

that determines how common certain enemy types are

[rough nimbus]

idk recon bps anymore but you can just stand still with exhilarating takedown and confirmed kill and just let the room blast you like it's 1.0 vet so your stamina is like 100%. great times

[dim moth]

yeah works in havocs too

[rough nimbus]

exe gaming

[dim moth]

you're so insanely tanky and regenerate so fast that genuinely if you need stamina just get shot on purpose

[rough nimbus]

I remember being asked by my havoc group how do I keep stamina for deadshot and I just went "I tank the bullets" lol

[light phoenix]

Also that one Penance to get Toughness via Stimms is real bothersome

[rough nimbus]

idk how that penance functions but I just played mortis trials with a bunch of cdr and got double stimm supply with stimm dependency and maxxed out toughness stimm

got it in one run lol

[light phoenix]

Oooo aights will try that

[woeful hill]

@rough nimbus I hate your hud...

but nice video

[rough peak]

was 100% sure a crusher was gonna tag me during the dark communion end event since it was my 1st run of the night and in a while... managed to not get tagged by 1. My teammates, however, all got overheaded x.x

[dawn portal]

tfw you dodge a overhead and see your whole team walk where you just were. Oops

[rough peak]

There were 3 crushers... all of which went for my teammates instead of me :\

That's honestly barely any crushers

[dawn portal]

Barely even enough for them to phase overheads through each other

[tight musk]

Honestly kinda makes it better than desperado and pickpocket cause the less you reload the more DPS you can keep pumping out.

But it's restricted to only las weapons, unlike desperado and pickpocket which work with all guns scum has access to.

[dim moth]

yeah but las weapons are also busted as fuck

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1455106126465994782/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.29_-_01.51.53.27.mp4?ex=69542d6f&is=6952dbef&hm=82181f6f06ae4f6923a4e0fe772473bcb5377cfc053edae7c9cf80079d83564e&

(this is not a practical build but this was funny)

[rough peak]

I was 100% expecting the silent crushers, which was probably why I didn't get overheaded... since I was spannering my vision extra during the event >.>

[rough nimbus]

Funny, I was just told by a friend that he wanted my config so he could have my hud

[woeful hill]

this my hud

minimal

[rough nimbus]

but thanks it was truly amazing to winfarm back to havoc 40 with such a difficult build. I needed every advantage

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/FBL8.gif

[rough nimbus]

My old hud used to not have my ammo on display but I need to keep track of stims now so it's all back on

otherwise I'd probably turn that segment off and hide usernames, but names I have on bc I need to pay attention to what's happening at times in havoc

[unreal stirrup]

shock trooper need crit, only apply to lasgun

meanwhile pickpocket work with everything

the conditional is dogshit easy unless you're on sedition lmao

[dim moth]

yeah but you have like every archetype of gun for the lasguns

and the only one that's weak is the infantry lasgun

helbore can one shot h40 crushers

[rough nimbus]

the average h40 pubber does not care for your breakpoints, they will continue to use the funny plasma gun and the bolter until morale improves

[tight musk]

The very hard condition of getting crits on veteran.

[dim moth]

and yeah that

especially for guns

considering 3/4 lasguns are semi autos that heavily rely on headshots

[rough nimbus]

I think pubs are just going to stay behind on what actually works/is fun in havoc forever

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because shit like pestilence exist lol

bp in h40 is funny

also stim

[haughty trout]

The other part is that it does require you to use the lasgun and to crit.

Pickpocket still refunds ammo on melee elite/special kill, too. They're both easyish to proc, but one is definitely more than the other.

[rough nimbus]

I mean you can guarantee oneshot everything with helbore, it will proc 100% of the time on that lol

[dim moth]

except monstrosities very sad

[rough nimbus]

neither run out of ammo just out of design

[unreal stirrup]

yeah sometime you don't have time to wait for guranteed crit

good enough is enough

[rough nimbus]

buff helbore with an extra 1000% finesse modifier

I usually tapfire on my helbore builds since everyshot oneshots up to like melee elites or something

[dim moth]

yup

[rough nimbus]

if you're really desperate though having one mag left in civi is pretty funny lol

[dim moth]

yeah so you just don't the helbore has monstrous damage crit or not

the only enemy it has to crit to one shot is a crusher

and it will 2 shot them if you don't

[rough nimbus]

if you get a psyker and a scummer in your group with 5% crit chance from both of those it's practically guaranteed too

at least on the heavy mark for full charges lol

[tight musk]

Haven't played vet in a while but I'm pretty sure I just use the AoE bolt pistol and knife on vet.

I don't play Havoc tho.

[unreal stirrup]

everything work in auric

unless it fucking crowbar or smt because it feel awful even in fucking heresy

[dim moth]

helbore is like the havoc gun vetran gun tho

It was a reason to run exe stance even before vet tree rework

Just for its ridiculous breakpoints and infinite ammo

[rough nimbus]

crowbar slander

[unreal stirrup]

zero damage, zero cleave, zero mobility

zero bitches

[dim moth]

yeah that sounds like crowbar alright

[rough nimbus]

the problem with helbore is that you have to aim and be good at the game, but plasma has funny cleave and go brr

[unreal stirrup]

the problem with helbore is teammates

[rough nimbus]

i'd scoreboard mog with my crowbar build but I don't want to look through the screenshot folder for darktide

[tight musk]

No idea how people struggle to use the crowbar. It's not the strongest melee, but it works fine. With rampage, I can crit a crusher for like 3.5k damage in regular mode.

[unreal stirrup]

also its like 0 for both since cdr aura is big on psyker and scum gunslinger is much more value

[rough nimbus]

the only psykers I play with play scrier's

[unreal stirrup]

after universal cdr nerf any crumb is good

[rough nimbus]

and no one I know plays gunslinger scum

but that's just my group that plays

[unreal stirrup]

yeah you don't even run crit chance aura on gaze because you already got crit from gaze itself lmao

[rough nimbus]

everyone I play with just do rampage or stim supply

[dim moth]

okay but I COULD have a tiny bit more with crit aura

[rough nimbus]

you don't need damage aura and by the time scrier's runs out you can just pop it again

so the only reason to think about aura is what benefits your team most, which is probs damage tbh but crit is more fun build wise

scum I think damage is probably better too especially for melee heavy teams but crits are more universal so makes sense

[tropic crag]

crit auras can probably bring good damage to teams depending on the weapon setups but its just whichever

[unreal stirrup]

5% crit is like nothing

[tropic crag]

like both give more damage

[rough nimbus]

I mean most auras don't really matter

[tropic crag]

a 1 in 20 chance to crit in a game where you attack as much as you do in DT is not nothing tbh

[unreal stirrup]

while 10% less cd for your team is pretty good

[rough nimbus]

10% cdr really doesn't matter imo

[tropic crag]

its like a couple seconds here and there

[unreal stirrup]

Its cooldown reduction instead of regeneration

[rough nimbus]

it's not a lot, you can just bring more damage to the team

[tropic crag]

yeah i think adding a 5% chance onto crit earnestly brings more value then reducing the cds of things a bit

[rough nimbus]

most of the time cdr is something you want because it brings survivability

like more voc, more chorus, more taunt

[lapis raft]

alright i have a suspicion my overkill damage tracking either isnt right or its all just the rockets lol, probably rockets

[unreal stirrup]

who use chorus nowaday

💀

[tropic crag]

because like... even 1% crit chance can make a bit of a difference when you "roll" as many times as we do in a mission. +5% is outright noticeable

[rough nimbus]

I don't but I don't think I play with anyone who brings cdr either lol

[limber cradle]

I prefer crit aura to ammo aura

Class has infinite ammo

Everyone else can pick up all the ammo in the game

[lapis raft]

i just played with 2 zealots with book, smoothest havoc ever xd

[unreal stirrup]

yeah except gunslinger help your team ammo in havoc

[tropic crag]

i refuse to run any ammo generating things on any class i play, i never need to pick up ammo so they can take my ammo

[rough nimbus]

team doesn't need ammo if you just kill things a little faster

[limber cradle]

Me picking up exactly 0 ammo pick ups helps them too tbf

[rough nimbus]

I liked vet back when I could play exe stance without nade regen or ammo regen aura

now it's one or the other lol

[tight musk]

I'm pretty sure I have exactly zero progress on zealot chorus penance.

[tropic crag]

and in high havoc they should plan better

[rough nimbus]

I think I did chorus penance back when it was really funny to ledge every monster in the game

[amber sundial]

Gunslinger really depends on the weapon the team is using too

[tropic crag]

any ammo regeneration is wasted on me tbh

[rough nimbus]

the huge dps you can generate by firing your gun will make up for your team's ammo consumption most of the time

I still like old vet more than current vet

[tropic crag]

lol all someone having ammo regen on my team does for me is slightly annoy me when i go to check my ammo reserves and go "oh its still full" like 5 times a mission

[rough nimbus]

ye especially in aurics

havoc actually runs me out at least but I've been getting lazier and just wanting to not play melee lol

[tropic crag]

yeah... in higher havoc its not as annoying to have, in aurics (where i spend most of my time because i like to relax while i play) its just not needed

[rough nimbus]

I miss my old infiltrate build on vet that just took every single damage node while skipping out on survivability and ammo/nade regen

[tropic crag]

in higher havoc i'll think i should be running dry and realize we have ammo regen when i see i have like 1/3 of my ammo left

[tropic crag]

lol the ol' drop aggro on your team builds

[rough nimbus]

a single vet in havoc and ammo's just never a problem, idk how pubs run out when I have iag clearing rooms and still have ammo lol

I used to run into a player called Pie a lot with that build in 1-2 and would purposefully stealth next to chaos spawns so they go to grab him instead of me

[sharp dune]

its cause some people just rat all the ammo crates

[tropic crag]

people are really bad about ammo economy and ALOT of players in this game don't really feel comfy in melee still

even tho the melee is more forgiving then vt2 by a good amount

[rough nimbus]

I think they just need to stop playing bolters or whatever lol

[woeful hill]

pick up a infantry las

[rough nimbus]

I think this patch has proven how forgiving it is with the funny dodge linger on ranged attacks

[tropic crag]

yeah theres more ways to coast, and like... i'm all for easy builds but it annoys me when people basically skip out on the basics of the game then complain about it being too hard or something

[rough nimbus]

If I ever get the mod that gives it an ironsight again I'll play that gun

[tropic crag]

being neo is fun and it will 100% kill me a few times when they fix it

[rough peak]

So... does the special on the dual pistols increase crit chance on top of accuracy? I've been testing it out and I get a lot more crits when I use it

[tropic crag]

maybe? i thought it was just a funny headshot thing but i never tested it

[rough nimbus]

In my videos there are several moments where I am standing in front of 12 gunners and several reapers dodge spamming while reloading my gun and it's still making me laugh thinking about it

[rough peak]

the crits seem to do more damage as well >.>

[tropic crag]

even if it increases crits it probably evens out on actual crit rate because it fires so much slower

[rough nimbus]

idk if it increases crit chance but I think there is a boosted finesse and stagger profile to the funny shot

[tropic crag]

lol sniper gauntlets have been actually fun in this patch

[rough peak]

Well yeah, I just am testing using it before I take them into a run. It seems useful for getting skill shots, but, the tighter spread also means more chances of me missing due to skissue(bad aim)

[tropic crag]

oh yeah if it has boosted finese on the shot that would make sense for what they're seeing

[hardy maple]

anyone ever had a group of snipers perfectly target each teamate so that you all die at the same time?

[tropic crag]

but yeah i'd need to test it and i just keep using the needle gun because i like ranged weapons i can just put on all melee builds

[rough nimbus]

I've killed people as shield ogryn by planting and letting it shoot through me

[limber cradle]

No but that's cause I mash spacebar like it has the chance to give me a million dollars

[hardy maple]

wait it still shoots through the shield?!

i didnt know that

[charred bronze]

Not that exactly, but I have been in squads where everyone got disabled more or less simultaneously

[hardy maple]

wait no it doesnt...ive protected my teamates with the shield

[tropic crag]

when you shimmy for your life in a funny zig zag towards the sniper swarm

[rough nimbus]

I'm pretty sure it goes through the sheild but you take no damage

[tropic crag]

when everyone goes "oh" because it was just bad timing all around

[limber cradle]

I do that shit all the time while reloading cause I can't reload while sprinting tbh

[rough nimbus]

or at least it used to

[tropic crag]

i'm just forever brain damaged from too much vt2 so when i feel in danger i default to vt2 movetech

[rough nimbus]

do you also do the dodge-qq-dodge tech

like short dodging

[tropic crag]

kind of as a tick yeah

[rough nimbus]

hell yeah

[tropic crag]

when i'm waiting for things lol

[rough nimbus]

it's pretty fun with some weapons that have a lot of stage reloads

dodge, one reload stage, qq dodge reload stage repeat lol

[tropic crag]

yeah i really like the multistaged loading of DT

i think i cancel my needle guns reloading right before the final pull of the plunger on the back every time tho on accident

[rough nimbus]

I go back to vt2 and I get owned trying it with huntsman handgun and it's stupid noise before the reload finishes

[rough peak]

Fervor on a stim + nimble seems like the perfect combo for accidentally ledging yourself with a dodge(with a knife equipped)

[hardy maple]

VT2 is harder than darktide

[tropic crag]

tbh i did that for a long while even when it was just vt2 around , the handgun is one of the few ranged weapons i'd put on builds

[rough nimbus]

hive scum is perfect for ledging yourself with a dodge regardless that stuffs way too fast

[rough peak]

Okay, but, what about comparing vt2 chaos wastes to darktide(I'm joking, btw, cuz you can't compare a rogue lite to a non-rogue lite very accurately I don't think)

[tropic crag]

i find darktide to be harder but thats mostly because it takes more actions per min, i think vt2 is more difficult UNTIL you get the spacings and timings for things burned into your brain, then its alot easier and more relaxed then dt

[rough nimbus]

handgun and blunderbuss were the most fun weapons for me, luckily even in c3dwons and dutch I was forced to play huntsman and rv

on like highest possible difficulties I think darktide is on par with vt2, they both have different skill checks at this point though

[rough peak]

Gimme the handgun in darktide, I want a sniping bullet weapon that isn't the agripinaa combat shotgun x.x

[tropic crag]

current auric feels harder than cata tbh

[rough nimbus]

you will play agrip shotty or helbore and you will LIKE IT

No single shot firing weapons capable of massive damage in my funny massive infinite cleave game

[tropic crag]

and high havoc is def more difficult than anything in vt2s non modded options i think... but its not like... good difficulty thats doing that

[rough peak]

Well yeah... we have silent specials and aurics have been filled with not as great players ever since havoc was launched(since the tryhards had a harder difficulty than maelstroms available). >.>'

[rough nimbus]

If cata spawned specials at the same rate as darktide it'd be infinitely more difficult

[rough peak]

Cata with 1/2 players is rough, tho, if the other person doesn't know what they are doing or if they have a high ping(for 2 players) <.<'

[rough nimbus]

imagine 4 blightstormers on top of 3 gunners and fire rats with a couple assassin rats lol

[tropic crag]

lol vt2 has had 1000% more problems with silent specials over the years to be fair (they are pretty much fixed now tho)

[rough nimbus]

cata duos are pretty chill up until dwons tbh

c3dwons duos are much harder than havoc duos imo, but they're also more possible to beat without cheese

[rough peak]

You gotta admit that silent specials can be extremely problematic when like... 20 specials spawn while you have a patrol on you... granted specials spawning on you in vt2 when a patrol is triggered can be fatal with blightstormers... >.>'

[tropic crag]

i'm still mad they fixed kiting the storms in place... i probably talked about it too often tho ... i swear they had some rogre in them because you could kite the storms in place with the same motion you'd use to make the rogre ground slam over and over... but they fixed it