hivescum-class

[lapis raft]

yea i used uncanny riposte specifically for crushers as well on shivs it do be best damage

[livid raven]

you can switch off riposte with precog, but they are both the second best blessing imo

[mighty belfry]

Tbh it kinda depends on build

Like in some cases you don't even need uncanny with shivs

[lapis raft]

precog i dont like at all, too unreliable

[charred bronze]

was a little tempted by Ruthless Backstab because I frequently find myself attacking crushers that are busy trying to murder someone else, but I kinda don't want a blessing that does nothing if my enemy is actually facing me

[eager reef]

do it

[lapis raft]

lol

[near mauve]

wait do people use Skitarius to make heavies come out super fast?

[charred bronze]

I have zero melee talents at all

this is just 'oh, I've murdered literallly everything else in the room but the crushers, let me help'

[livid raven]

lemme start the game and take a screenshot of the setting

[lapis raft]

yea i've seen ppl doing haymaker but like i am not standing here attacking crusher 5 times on average to get the value or getting lucky

when shivs heavy kills crushers in 3-4 hits always from full, less if you have everything going even

[near mauve]

i find timing the heavies to come out fast too fun to ever automate it idk

[eager reef]

haymaker wont kill crushers, but it might gib the maulers

[lapis raft]

ah true its even only human sized

[charred bronze]

haymaker shouldn't work on crushers anyway

[livid raven]

i find it very lame

[charred bronze]

not human sized, right?

[lapis raft]

so even worse

[eager reef]

i promise haymekr/hypercrit is fun

[lapis raft]

i mean hypercrit is good yes

[warm axle]

ought to be two if you double special during

[livid raven]

is haymaker one of the worst blessings in the game

[charred bronze]

good for getting through elite stacks probably, just like Hyper-crit

[mighty belfry]

So it's a tox build

[charred bronze]

nah, despo

[mighty belfry]

Ahh

[charred bronze]

degen despo shoot always build

except crushers

[mighty belfry]

I suppose uncanny is your best bet then

[charred bronze]

and I take tox nades instead of zook

[warm axle]

its not degen to play the default class playstyle

[mighty belfry]

It's pretty degen

[charred bronze]

it's degen to completely and totally ignore melee except for one enemy, and be successful at that I think

[mighty belfry]

At least right now.

[charred bronze]

but it's fun so I'm not gonna stop doing it

[livid raven]

nah it's pretty vanilla

[lapis raft]

pickpocket playstyle is def pretty degenerate ngl

[warm axle]

weird victim complex

[charred bronze]

I say degen in a kinda tongue in cheek, self deprecating way

[lapis raft]

and i am abusing pickpocket myself and im not even desperado build

[charred bronze]

I fully expect it to be adjusted after they reassess data in the new year

so I'm gonna enjoy it now

[mighty belfry]

Pickpocket on needle build is stupidly powerful

[lapis raft]

it requires 0 thought and 0 setup to just right click everything

the 0 setup part is especially problematic imo

[mighty belfry]

Really desperado isn't inherently the issue

[lapis raft]

yea its just pickpocket really

[eager reef]

i hope it changes to only give ammo on melee kills, just to fuck with people

[mighty belfry]

It's pickpocket and vultures dodge that compound into something that really shouldn't be in the game lmao

[lapis raft]

i think ammo on melee kills would be best change ngl

as that fixes the setup issue and also 0 thought issue at same time

[charred bronze]

it's despo + pickpocket, which was obviously intentional. I just don't know if they expected it to be this effective

[brisk fog]

is there a way to apply chem toxin on melee hit?

[woeful hill]

melee crit with the talent

[lapis raft]

while not killing any of the builds using pickpocket at same time

[woeful hill]

and bonesaw

[charred bronze]

which makes me suspicious of eventual nerfs

[mighty belfry]

Coated uh, something

It's on bottom right of the tree.

[lapis raft]

coated toxin

[charred bronze]

Coated Weaponry

[lapis raft]

ok

xd

yea that

[charred bronze]

requires melee crits though, so keep that in mind

[mighty belfry]

Coated is mainly useful for upkeeping toxin you've already inflicted imho

[lapis raft]

yea its the best part about it

[mighty belfry]

Especially with shivs

[lapis raft]

refreshing needler and shiv special toxins op

[brisk fog]

on crit seems unreliable

[mighty belfry]

Synergy is huge particularly because of the throwing knife.

[lapis raft]

well refreshing needler would be more op if its ammo wasnt ifninite

[lapis raft]

you can literally get 100% crit on scum

and worst uptime on that 100% crit part is float like a butterfly xd

[brisk fog]

is that dependant on consumables or gimmicky buffs?

[lapis raft]

its dependant on tools that are available to you

you can have stimm up 100% of the time on some setups

so only thing thats unreliable is float like a butterfly

but even at like lets say 50% crit or whatever refreshing the toxin is strong

from needler/shivs

[mighty belfry]

I'll be real. Coated armament itself isn't that strong.

It's the synergies it provides that makes it useful.

[lapis raft]

i think thats kinda the point of it anyway

[mighty belfry]

Yeh

[vast ferry]

new slop just out

scum ranked as the worst of all classes

thank you for your attention

[lapis raft]

i used to play mostly zealot before scum and i think its just upgrade over zealot straight up for what i was doing before

[barren thorn]

and ogryn 2nd worst?

[lapis raft]

so 🤷‍♂️

[mighty belfry]

Dude how are these supposed darktide content creators this unaware of how strong scum is lmao

[vast ferry]

Psyker
Vet
Arby
Zealot
Ogryn
Scum

in that order

[barren thorn]

[mighty belfry]

OGRYN???

Nah this man is stimmed up on something the cartels can't get a hold of.

Absolutely no way.

[barren thorn]

also works as "easiest to hardest class to master" list

[brisk fog]

engagement baiting

say wrong thing on purpose

or just dumbasses

[eager reef]

i play crit maxing and love it. feels rewarding as it uses all of the kit to do

[lapis raft]

wouldnt he put that to title then

[mighty belfry]

It's either ingenious or they don't know what the hell they're doing.

[lapis raft]

i think hes just wrong and thats it :d

[brisk fog]

are you new to the internet?

[mighty belfry]

Scum is gamebreakingly strong in its current state lmaoo

[brisk fog]

i think id really like chem toxin if there was a way you could have it spread from enemy to enemy (SLOWLY, so not too broken)

but it still sounds pretty cool ig

[mighty belfry]

I mean.

[eager reef]

only if you have the brain cells to play it

[vast ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_dBKzUSGRM somebody managed to do this with a melee scum, haven't seen anybody solo with an inferno psyker..yet

[woeful hill]

have you seen what Soulblaze already does

[brisk fog]

im bad at psyker

[eager reef]

im not watching a vid with someone at that fov

[lapis raft]

well you can spread toxin with blue mode needler technically, it do not self spreads but as it has inifnite ammo you can pretty reliably just aoe toxin everything

[brisk fog]

infinite ammo???

u better not be exaggerating

[lapis raft]

yea because pickpocket exists

[charred bronze]

I was bad at psyker til I played a flamestaff void shriek build. Dead simple

[lapis raft]

im not

[charred bronze]

at some point I'm gonna try again with a melee primary scrier's build, but something about that talent doesn't click with my brain

[lapis raft]

scum has literally not exaggerated infinite ammo for 1 talent investment on any weapon atm

[charred bronze]

while true, it's not worth the point investment for non ammo intensive weapons outside of havoc

[brisk fog]

oh yeah this pickpocket shit sounds strong wth

[charred bronze]

like, needler is not ammo intensive in auric/maelstrom enough to justify it imo

[lapis raft]

its not unless blue mode :d

[brisk fog]

id probably take it on a chem build anyways

no matter the diff

[charred bronze]

there are plenty of other great talents in this tree begging for attention tbh

[near mauve]

ogryn second worst xddddddddddd

[brisk fog]

what does blue mode mean

[charred bronze]

if it's not actively doing something for you, probably not worth talenting

[lapis raft]

needler has 2 modes, first mode is yellow single target, second applies toxin in aoe when enemy dies

[brisk fog]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-blueman-why-are-you-blue-radioactive-glowing-blue-gif-7961548304504204931

[lapis raft]

see pins

[charred bronze]

is blue mode on the o.g. mk even worth it? Stacks tox so slowly

I guess you can horde clear with it maybe?

[lapis raft]

yea you can

[livid raven]

what's the og mk

[lapis raft]

you can clear most of stuff rather quickly with it

[livid raven]

if it's the mk8, no

[lapis raft]

outside of bulwarks/crushers

by just staying on blue

[charred bronze]

mk VI

[livid raven]

or 6 sorry

no, it does nothing

[lapis raft]

when you have inifnite ammo so you can just spray it at multiple clustered enemies

[livid raven]

the explosion does like 10-50 damage

[lapis raft]

oh wait you mean the shitty blue mode?

[livid raven]

in a tiny radious

[lapis raft]

yea that one isuseless

mk6 is the single target needler

[brisk fog]

wait horde clearing with toxin and having a beefy single target weapon sounds fun

[charred bronze]

eh

[brisk fog]

IF it's actually viable i mean

[livid raven]

i wouldn't use it too much against hordes

[charred bronze]

I mean, try stuff cuz it's fun

[brisk fog]

nah

i mean im kind of a metafriend in most games but i dont like playing things if theyre too gimmicky

or outright useless

[lapis raft]

i use it against hordes it worksmostly, but i swap between yellow blue as needed

[charred bronze]

but this class has some really great horde clearing weapons. Needler I guess can do it, but I wouldn't choose it for that role

esp when it's one of the absolute best weapons in the game for crushers and doing safe monster damage

[lapis raft]

well when you have infinite ammo you can do both

[charred bronze]

I'd personally put 'ranged primary, horde clearing needler' in the gimmicky category

[brisk fog]

oh well

it was just an idea

[livid raven]

i wouldn't use it as a primary weapon

[charred bronze]

but I'm also just some pleb, not one of the local sme types

[dim moth]

or I can just save the talent point by simply using my tools at what they are good at

👍

[lapis raft]

well atm it costs me 1 talent point so i think im good

[charred bronze]

maybe there's some godly needler build that annihilates everything I'm just not keyed into

[livid raven]

to get pickpocket, you have to spend 2 talents

[lapis raft]

as i path through hc

[charred bronze]

while I absolutely 100% agree with this, I respect that some players like doing weird shit and making it work, and that's part of the fun of a game for them

[dim moth]

I do weird shit

[lapis raft]

pickpocket on stimm supply needler isnt even weird shit ngl quite a few ppl do it

from what i've seen

[dim moth]

I am playing a fuckin' stimm crate build with 100% crit chance

It's me

[lapis raft]

thats why i tried it in first place as i wasnt running pickpocket there before

[dim moth]

I am the gimmick player

[charred bronze]

are they running around with the needler out as their primary though?

[lapis raft]

i mean you use your melee wep as well

i dont think anyone is doign needler only

well i've seen some desperado setups that do

but i think thats too meme

how i play it is mostly i see enemies at range so i just unload blue or yellow at them as i dont care about ammo and when im close to enemies i use knife and thats it

and you cant do the first part that much without pickpocket

[mighty belfry]

erm

yeah i've done needler only in havoc

[lapis raft]

hey read the next sentence smh

[mighty belfry]

with stimm crate at that

lol

[lapis raft]

ah lol

i mean its possible ofc

pickpocket good (broken)

[mighty belfry]

It's not just possible

It's genuinely a sleeper meta rn

[modest patio]

seen a lot of stimm supply users in Havoc tonight, am I wrong about that skill? I thought it was not good.

[limber cradle]

It checks out for RA havocs tbh

[mighty belfry]

Corruption immunity is very powerful in Havoc

[lapis raft]

its good

[mighty belfry]

Not even just because of the modifiers but because enemy melee attacks also do way more corruption

And it even also saves you from getting instakilled by overheads

[modest patio]

maybe I am sleeping on it, I've basically always been desp/ramp

[lapis raft]

also makes you able to tank like 2-3 bursters if you rly cared about that part xd

[modest patio]

I prefer not to tank any, but it's still a good perk to have lol

[lapis raft]

yea just for oh shit scenarios good save

[mighty belfry]

Oh yeah and tox bombers

[modest patio]

Someone was rocking a Taxe and doing pretty well, I haven't even tried the tax yet

[charred bronze]

so it's basically a tech for the current affix

[mighty belfry]

Even though the tox bombers still chew through toughness

[charred bronze]

not because it's exceptionally powerful in its own right

[lapis raft]

i mean it depends, fully countering corruption damage reliably is pretty strong on its own

[mighty belfry]

i've been running a low cooldown stimm solely to abuse that recently

it's been nice honestly

[lapis raft]

and with the crate bug atm also getting like 80%-ish uptime on bunch of buffs is super nice ofc

[mighty belfry]

and it's not hard to stack the effects

[lapis raft]

i get 80% uptim with 75s cd stimm with the bug

its funny

[mighty belfry]

lil 27s gas station stimm

[charred bronze]

hadn't heard about this. Which crate bug?

[lapis raft]

you walk out and in to circe

and you get the full effect

even when stimm is on cd

[charred bronze]

oh shit

s

[lapis raft]

technically imo it should always work like that except without the walking in and out

because thats what the wording says

so i dont feel bad at all for fatshark being bad at doing stuff and me using it

[vast ferry]

I've been swallowed by burgles before and not take a single tick of corruption because of the stim box

[eager reef]

you can also stim, then crate and get two stacks of chem dep right at the start

[vast ferry]

very peak

[mighty belfry]

if they're going to fix it where the crate wont give the benefits while stimm is on cooldown

[lapis raft]

yea except it also refuses to spit you out which is not so fun xd

if it cant deal corruption damage to you

[mighty belfry]

they seriously need to make chem dependency stimm cd instead

because that keystone's base function is completely useless if they don't

[lapis raft]

yea

like the whole right side is structured where then 2 are supposed to have synergy

[eager reef]

it exists to give me crit

[mighty belfry]

base function

[brisk fog]

ended up buying arbite cuz its on sale

seems like a lazy and tanky class

cant go wrong

[lapis raft]

i have arbites played it for like an hour got bored did not played it agian

gg

[brisk fog]

well damn

sucks 4 u i guess

[lapis raft]

i dont rly mind im sure i will play it again at some point

and i pet the doggo few times so good enough

[charred bronze]

so the node that makes the circle disappear faster is counter to the benefits of the bug then?

[lapis raft]

not rly, that node always benefits you regardless

because of sample collector

i basically just do this (well not doing toxin mania atm

[eager reef]

time to distract everyone, favorite hive scum VA

[limber cradle]

Male bounty hunter

[lapis raft]

i use the anarchist male but idk if i would say its my favorite

[eager reef]

female bounty hunter makes me want to hit them with a hammer

[charred bronze]

I like him because he's so different from every other personality

when I was using bounty hunter, I might as well have been playing a vet personality

[eager reef]

how i felt as well on fem BH

swapped to outlaw and it feels more natural

[charred bronze]

anarchist is great cuz he's so perky

just happy to be here, y'know?

which is hilarious in context

[warm axle]

i’m a giver, and yall seem like takers! ||merry christmas!||

[eager reef]

wait have you heard this one?

[charred bronze]

haha no, I haven't

[eager reef]

it's so funny

[charred bronze]

is that female anarchist?

[eager reef]

fem Anarch to fem BH

[charred bronze]

incredible

[limber cradle]

Outlaw feels less natural than BH to me tbh

[eager reef]

it's the only fem BH line i've heard taht wasnt her with being a massive ass to everyeon

[limber cradle]

Outlaw is too goody goody for me tho

I like that BH arrogant and there for money

[zealous ravine]

fem anarchist is funny

[eager reef]

with so many scum running about the line selection atm isnt great

[eager reef]

lol

[zealous ravine]

this is how hive scum was meant to be played

[zealous ravine]

yeah they'll also add a lot more over time

[eager reef]

i do love how BH calls out kills tho

[zealous ravine]

would be funny if BH got like an avg price for each kill
"got the trapper that'll be 5 bucks"

[eager reef]

wait you might be on to something

with that as a framing alot of how they act makes more sense

[zealous ravine]

im just imagining cause some personalities have like traxis 6 7 7 or whatever as names

but then bounty hunter would just have prices LOL

[dim moth]

what did you think BH was doing this for beforehand?

[eager reef]

no i know, but the idea that they have a wall with pictures of elites/specials with prices on it amuses me terribly

[zealous ravine]

commissioning bounty hunter to kill someone

like its an art commission

[tranquil berry]

Do you think he does bulk discounts?

[zealous ravine]

"yea can you make it a bit more colorful"

[tranquil berry]

Is there a sale? 2 for 1 special?

[zealous ravine]

would make sense if the targets r close by

[limber cradle]

Absolutely not tbh

[dim moth]

they do infact mention this when talking to Loose Cannon

[zealous ravine]

oh fr? havent heard that one

[tranquil berry]

Loose cannon and bh are basically the same personality, just caught in different careers

They're both out to make a buck

Should be good friends

[dim moth]

Nah Loose Cannon is out because they genuinely don't give a shit whether they die or not

So they just kinda do shit for the fuck of it

[zealous ravine]

WAIT oh my god i just noticed

i forgor to get the profile pictures mod for the frames

[icy scaffold]

I like female bounty hunter ngl

[eager reef]

i like her VA but wish i heard more lines

[limber cradle]

It shocks me how rare fem outlaw is

Ive heard literally one

[fallen arrow]

I've personally seen multiple

Not all that often, but she comes up

[eager reef]

i think i see male way more than female

[main wagon]

Weirdly enough my Outlaw keeps trying to recruit the other rejects

I’ve had like 2-3 different lines about, “So like, why don’t you shack up with the Conclave?”

The professional veteran replied something along the lines of, “Agh…prolly shouldn’t…Rannick would have my head, my hands, and generally all my squishy bits.”

[eager reef]

frogive me for slandering bone saw

it finally clicked

[tranquil berry]

It shouldn't click, it should chop and cut, you're using it wrong

[vast wigeon]

The future is m*le

[main wagon]

I’ve used crowbar on a dedicated melee build, but it doesn’t eliminate the bad taste in my mouth left from it requiring significant melee investment

[vast wigeon]

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there are only male crackheads

[eager reef]

it annoys me that jsut using heavy sword is a direct upgrade

[main wagon]

I think the saw is ugly and her hair is hideous

[vast wigeon]

Crowbar, I thought I stopped using bow in monster hunter to avoid carpal tunnel

[main wagon]

IMO Hsword still needs at least rampage as well but yeah

[vast wigeon]

Woe be to he who swings a crowbar in tertium

[eager reef]

i hope it gets buffed

i love crowbar

[vast wigeon]

Yeah it absolutely rips in diff 2 and 3

[dim moth]

BOW carpal tunnel

[vast wigeon]

Which sounds like a joke, but when hive scum just launched holy hell it's like everyone playing lv1-10 hive scum was operating on fent

So it's just me, my crowbar, and the last stand music to keep me company

I mean that's still the case at 30, except the crowbar is not something I would try to clutch with

[ripe seal]

question about the enchanced penance, is it 2600% toughness regen through the toughness regen node of the stim? Because I assume regaining toughness while the stim in active in general would have made that a free one

[vast wigeon]

It is quite free, just lose tgh and take a hit of that stimm

You'll get it eventually

[ripe seal]

but it has to be specifically the regen from the toughness node, right?

[vast wigeon]

I think so, dependency definitely isn't going to contribute I think

I bookmarked it, took the stim, and tabbed and the updated number was definitely less than 25(from lab) +50 (from dependency)

It was more, but definitely not 50

Also the massively reduced TGH recovery delay seems to contribute

So you don't have to do 2600/+25 times

[ripe seal]

just the last big penance I have to work for so i've been running it on my crate build and I feel like its taking forever and i'd rather run something else on it

I think my main build is gonna stay attack speed with reload node and cooldown reduction with melee node, so wanna swap off this soon

[eager reef]

i've been on it awhile

but i am makiong progress

[hybrid path]

I don't really see a difference with the different MK of needle pistols it just seems both are the same

[woeful hill]

check pins

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1451035789776523264/image.png?ex=694df063&is=694c9ee3&hm=4ac23be69fa1ab5c8c41161774770baed28d0823ca05fc118d7c5b704b50d177&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

mk2 can do horde clear easily with blue mode

[hybrid path]

Ah

gotcha

[woeful hill]

default yellow, special blue

[hybrid path]

Yeah been using blue mostly but on the mk IV so I'll definetly be using Mk 2

[ripe seal]

barely getting like 200 toughness per auric run

[wise turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=fNp9IMb1e3A&feature=youtu.be

I wish toxin melee builds weren't so taxed

Why are the good crit and weakspot nodes on the gun side of the tree, anyway...

[dim moth]

this is a really weird build wtf

[wise turtle]

Yeah I threw it together based on a theme

lol

[ripe seal]

I feel like a lot of the defensive stuff in the middle could maybe be taken out but I kinda dig how funky it is, feels weird to invest in all that and not take sample collector

Maybe high auric is just that rough but I’d probably take it over targeted toxin

[bronze glade]

lol this thumbnail

nice

[wise turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-slay-the-spire-poison-green-gif-4282090898560751113

And yeah, a more serious build would run Boom Bringer for Rituals + Rotten Armor

But I love my blinders

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-ho'olheyak-hoolheyak-gif-2784160010000787290

off i go to do something stupid

[ripe seal]

i'm gonna make a dumb gimmick build just for the penance and make a crate build with no resistance/regen stuff and only using the stim for toughness regen since i'm partly afraid that any talent based toughness regen isn't counting, just aura and the flat regen gained from the stim

[eager reef]

i ran it with crit/toughness and let crit/sample feed the stim and drop the crate any time my toughness got low

a good run gets you a few hundred

and you dont need the stim to get the buff bc it's bugged

just drop the crate

[ripe seal]

that's pretty much my plan, my stim is gonna have a super low cooldown so I can spam the box out often which'll let me cycle my stim way more often than if I was using it normally

since using the stim with hte crate bypass having to wait for the duration to ends before you can reduce the cooldown

[eager reef]

it's an annoying penance, and the only one that feels bad to do but mostly bc toughness isnt something most people need in the moment

though ive had a few moments were tossing it down saved lives

[ripe seal]

I do like the idea of building toughness with a crate build to have it act like a mini shout, it just counts the toughness in a really annoying way

[eager reef]

it's not bad tbh

on demand full toughness for everyone and it protects against corruption

[ripe seal]

if it counted any form of toughness regen than you'd farm that super easy

[eager reef]

meaning youi can just eat boxbursters

it's so funny

i had a moment where it not only failed to break my toughness, but bc the crate stops corruptions i didnt even take health damage

[ripe seal]

you don't notice it often but it is nice, the immunity matters more overall than the corruption heal

[narrow wren]

lawnmower

[eager reef]

esp fighting bosses

BoN eats a guy but nothing happens bc space drugs said no

[ripe seal]

I could be wrong but I almost want to say that if you go down and get revived while its active it negates gaining a wound, but I only sorta notice that happening once ages ago so I could have just been mistaken

[eager reef]

that would be a funny mech tbh

tactical down siege style

[ripe seal]

so getting ate only applies corruption damage and not it and normal damage at the same time?

[lapis raft]

i noticed one scum was doing that to me when he was reviving me but i dont really remember if it worked or not

[ripe seal]

it'd probablybe easy to test with a psyker self burst from overheat

[eager reef]

so here's the thing, being eaten only applies corruption damage, far as i can tell

crate says no

like te slime doesnt actually hurt you, but appleis corruption

[lapis raft]

yea bon spitting you out also depends on it doing corruption damage to you so if it cant it wont even spit you out :d

[eager reef]

yep

very weird interaction

but it also makes th BoN bug tf out

so it'll jsut sit there confused

[lapis raft]

its just suckling you and contemplating life choices

[eager reef]

crate invalidating host corruption is also funny.

anyway i like crate. i think it's neat

[lapis raft]

same, fun ability

[eager reef]

Buff the radius and it'll be great

Compared to nuncio it's abit eh

With a bigger radius it would be alot easier to use, doesn't even need to be the size of nucio

[ripe seal]

crate is fun, just needs a fair investment to feel right

[lapis raft]

bigger radius would be nice, would also make the boom point actually do something

[ripe seal]

i never really like the arbite one, I think its mostly the amount of toughness regen feeling low to me, I know all the other effects are big

[eager reef]

Tbh most of scum feels like tou get rewarded for investment and committing to an jdea

Rather than being a one size fits all, picking different nodes actually leads to differential gameplay

[ripe seal]

I feel like desperado and rampage are good out ofthe box, but crate need a stim investment which means sample collector and stuff

[eager reef]

Tbh I run sample on everything bc I value it.

Meaning I plan and commit to using the stim

[ripe seal]

it makes going full stim more worth it, otherwise I feel like the cooldown is long enough that you're better off only going like 50%

[eager reef]

Imo they did a good job there

The stim is cool and I kinda hope each class gets something like it. The layer it adds to builds is super cool

No idea what they would give other classes but the idea is there.

[ripe seal]

i do wish there was a bit more incentive to mix and match stuff more compared to some of the other classes I feel, I feel like I end up sticking to the same side dof the tree every time

[eager reef]

It's the nature of things. Overall I think scum is the most fun to actually play. Despite some of the tree limitations

I initially really liked desperado, till I got a taste of rampage and realized I had been babied on other classes and needed to brush up on all my fundamentals

[vital trout]

what stats do i want on curious as hive scum?

curios

[eager reef]

I run 1 stam/2 toughness or 2 stam/1 toughness

For different things.

[limber cradle]

1x health or stamina with 2x toughness or 3x stamina is common ime

Depends heavily on personal taste

[vital trout]

and the 3 sub upgrades?

[eager reef]

But you should ignore most of what I do.

[ripe seal]

I just stick toughness and a mix of bomber/gunner/flamer, and I always want toughness over haelth for the main

[eager reef]

My usual apm will give you hand cramps

[limber cradle]

Toughness/gunner resist/revive speed still ime

I prefer health to revive speed tho ngl

It has stopped me from dying before

[eager reef]

I will argue a single stam regen

[vital trout]

gunners seems like good idea

[mighty belfry]

i'm running a 27s stimm rn

with two nodes in strength and speed

it's actually quite nice

[limber cradle]

If you like it, use it, I'm not the arbitor of meta

[eager reef]

I just like the sweet spot it enables

[vital trout]

can you refine blessing on curious?

[ripe seal]

i just feel like that's not much of an investment in either tree for the stim to feel good, toughness is kinda the one with the best investment of 3-4 nodes but also the one you want the least in general

[limber cradle]

No

[eager reef]

But i am fully aware that how I play scum is more meme than anything

Crit maxing my crowbar will surely carry me to victory

[mighty belfry]

if you were responding to me

you'd be surprised

[ripe seal]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

Hypercrit helps a lot

[eager reef]

I cant not play with hypercrit after tasting 100% crit

It's so funny

[mighty belfry]

My funny gas station stimm crate build let me top damage during a 3veg just now lol

cuz the thing about having a stimm so low

it's really, really easy to stack

[ripe seal]

8% strength just feels like nothing to me, at least with the speed nodes you get the other smaller effects to add onto it

[mighty belfry]

Any little bit helps with how hypercrit is calculated

And again, under the right circumstances, it can easily become 16%

With decent uptime actually.

[eager reef]

Yeah ryken did a good breakdown of hypercrit and that 8% is worth a ton

Bc of math

[mighty belfry]

Think of hypercrit as basically, cutting your ttk by one hit assuming you're hitting a crit. Even an incremental damage increase like 8% actually pays off a lot in helping that

[eager reef]

Scum can hit the limit of damage enemies are allowed to take

[ripe seal]

i guess both hypercritical and violence can let that spin out into a big difference

[mighty belfry]

Ye. Hive scum is the class that doesn't give a shit about breakpoints.

Take advantage of that.

[eager reef]

Flip side is that anything you do you gotta commit to

Bc the class doesn't do half measures well lol

[mighty belfry]

Also tbh

you don't really need both hypers

[modest patio]

Anyone want to recommend me a melee build? I've spent too much time on gun and am finally ready to do some melee again lol

[eager reef]

Step 1: find the melee you like

Step 2: cry that crowbar is mid

[modest patio]

I was not enjoying crowbar last time i tried it lol

[eager reef]

It has an acquired flavor

Imo heavy sword is superior

Tacaxe is better than heavy sword for different role

[limber cradle]

I do not like crowbar tbh

[eager reef]

Even rampage shivs is good but you have to get used to the apm

Rampage chainsword is super fun but that's just vet with extra steps

Tacax is probably my favorite but im a psychopath who uses the single target one

[modest patio]

I was thinking about Tax

I used it a lot with Zealot way back when.

[eager reef]

I use single target tacaxe with hypercrit chemical dependency for more crit and crit on the stim

Add in chem tox on crit and you ohk most things

[mighty belfry]

I WISH THE CRATE BOMB WAS BETTER AAAA

the radius is so pitiful 😭

[modest patio]

Got a build I can steal for the Taxe?

Taxe has 3 marks right?

[rough peak]

Yes

2, 4, and 7

7 is the most universally loved

probably followed by the 2

[modest patio]

I feel like 2 was what I used last time I used the Taxe. but it was on a bromentum infinite zealot ability spam shenanigans

[rough peak]

2 used to be the one I heard the most about, then the 7 became the one I heard the most about

[eager reef]

Im not on atm. I can handle it out tomorrow

Just keep in mind it's not optimal and 100% curated by bias and insanity

[modest patio]

If you get around to it, dont go too far out of your way

I'm sure I can throw something together

[floral kayak]

I personally love shivs

[eager reef]

Wait I can build it in game lantern

[eager reef]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ace99b-14bb-4cf5-afd8-abb6b709dd48/crit-maxing

Ignore the weapons no idea how to change that

Keep in mind this is being used with the all in single target tax, cant remember the mark

I think its the VII

[modest patio]

no need to take the chem dependency 4 stack?

Oh, also wasn't hyper critical and hyper violence a non-combo? I thought they worked against eachother somehow.

[eager reef]

Point tax tbh

[eager reef]

Im a lazy fuck and micro managing a 60 second Chem dep sucks

[modest patio]

lol fair

it is 5% more crit though

I want so much of the tree, being 1 point away from pickpocket and not getting it hurts me

[eager reef]

I just put the 5% crit on my axe

I took it off bc I wasn't making use of it

[modest patio]

Which is fair, if I don't remember to keep it up then it doesnt matter

[eager reef]

The only game I wish I had it was my clutching a run for 4 minutes

I mostly used the needle for leading target with blue to feed sample

Or softening armor

Sniping a trapper or sniper ig

[modest patio]

shred for crit and agile for damage or bromentum for cleave on Taxe?

[eager reef]

It's by no means optimal and I swap rampage for box here and there

[modest patio]

Do you really think it's far off from optimal?

looks pretty good to me, doesn't take anything i was surprised about

Except I thought Hyper critical executes don't work with hhyper violence

[eager reef]

You say that but

I swapped slaughter for shred

Works bettwr

[eager reef]

It's apm heavy

[modest patio]

on paper slaughter does seem insane

[eager reef]

Doesn't work with hyper

Fucking tragedy

[modest patio]

ah

[lapis raft]

well you can just do hyperviolence instead right, sounds fine

[eager reef]

If it did oh man

[modest patio]

I'll rock headtaker and see if i try out agile later

[eager reef]

I only run hypercrit never used violence

Not taking brutal means target priority and movement become super important

[lapis raft]

hv is pretty good especially with rampage

[eager reef]

Esp backwards slides and pushes

[lapis raft]

even though it do not really stacks from itself so do not stacks super high

[eager reef]

Scum had been enabling more crackhead ideas than usual

[eager reef]

Tomorrow I plan to do something stupid with this

Crit crowbar will be real

For now I sleep before I burn another 5k plasteel on something stupid

[mighty belfry]

I tried to hear out their reasoning for Scum being the worst class btw

I don't even know why I bother.

Actual slop explanations

[spark gyro]

rannick's sloppy gang

[mighty belfry]

😔

Thing that's frustrating is that if Fatshark wanted to heed the word of the content creators who, honestly, genuinely do not seem to know what they're talking about and make Hive Scum stronger, that's actively going to make the game worse

Guaranteed.

It's already really, really strong.

When a class is becoming a literal staple for Rotten Armor of all things, that's when you know it's a class that's not to be underestimated lmao

[solemn thorn]

You know what would be cool, that fatshark won't add, for new year, have the rocket launcher be a firework when firing.
Probably could cause game crashes the way they design things but that would be cool

[unreal cradle]

Its a staple not because it's strong.

It's because it's damage is almost entirely DoTs. And fatshark in their infinite wisdom buffed rotten armor to take reduced melee damage.

[gaunt onyx]

BAZOOKA GO BOOM

[unreal cradle]

So melee classes got mega nerfed against rotten armor but DoTs still do normal damage.

You could give needle pistol to zealot, and zealot would become the staple IMMEDIATELY.

[amber sundial]

Giant needler on ogryn when

[unreal cradle]

Things brought for rotten armor.

Krak vet
Flame psyker
Toxin Scum

All things that avoid the damage reduction that rotten armor now has.

[spark gyro]

kark

[unreal cradle]

What I wouldn't give for that to be true.

[frigid sluice]

Instead of a ranged weapon it’s a melee and the ogyrn uses it like a staple gun

[jaunty coral]

can someone explain to me the stimm supply builds that only use a single node on the stimm tree - i get to keep the cooldown low, but arent you spreadying such a pitiful buff to your allies?

[unreal cradle]

Its to use the chem toxin usually. Otherwise just got one full CDR tree if you want to boost your team.

[drifting heron]

Its to try to abuse the really mid 7 chem stacks node

[jaunty coral]

i was watching ainze recent video and hes doing that but not using the chem stack node, https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ac419b-1985-4d3c-abd8-cd6821281205/parry-this

@woeful hill any chance you could explain this build to me? (still learning hive scum so id ont get whats happening here lol) still watching the playthroughj

[drifting heron]

Probably corruption immunity then

[jaunty coral]

spamming it every 15s

[woeful hill]

Chem stack node?

[astral sundial]

Morning everoyne! and merry Sanguinala!

[woeful hill]

I was using crate just for blight immunity

And toughness

[jaunty coral]

interesting ok

i see

ya you're literally just standing in the blight puddles

thats pretty cool

[woeful hill]

If you stagger the usage of stim and crate you can get alot of free toughness

[jaunty coral]

would you have built it this way without blight spreads modifier, or nah?

[woeful hill]

Yeah

It's for blight

[jaunty coral]

im still around 30 on my climb and ive just been rocking rampage shiv build, addicted to it as a zealot dagger boi for a long time but looking to branch out and i hate blight modifier

i might try this next time

[spark gyro]

we do a little trolling

[astral sundial]

I have a bit of a build related question

[jaunty coral]

i love devils claw too - does it feel good on a rampage build? need to make one on hive scum

[woeful hill]

I actually haven't tried

[astral sundial]

So i made a meele build yesterday, with both rage and adrenalin nodes.

[woeful hill]

The parry is a heavy attack so the rending modifier on rampage would be funny

[astral sundial]

And im not too happy with the chaxe I have withit at the moment. It feels like it doesnt cleave enough and I get overwhelmed in hordes

Can anyone either give me advice on the chaxe or recommend something better?

[woeful hill]

Both of the other axes handles horde and single target better

[spark gyro]

ye

[woeful hill]

If you want a braindead moveset combat axe Rashad

[jaunty coral]

ya i feel it could be dope. Ive also been using a HV shiv build with no HC - devil claw with high crit and HC seems cool

[astral sundial]

[spark gyro]

That chainaxe that doesn't rev on lights would be the way to go, I think

[astral sundial]

ooooh, devilclaw ? havnt even considered that.

[astral sundial]

Wait the chaxe got a different mk?

When did that happen?

(i intermittently take breaks from DT)

[jaunty coral]

long time ago lol

but ya it has 2

one revs on heavies, other lights

[astral sundial]

HUH

[jaunty coral]

one is light spam horde clear, other is push atk heavy combo

[astral sundial]

I will test that out. If it doesnt feel better, I will try rashad ^^

Ty everyone

[jaunty coral]

rashad is a goated weapon, always has been. it surprises me its not more 'meta' - i think people just kinda forget about it/get bored of it bc its been around forever. But a rashad with BM and headtaker always has been one of the strongest and simplest to execute weapons in the game that can do everything. I use to have a clip of me using an old vet shout build that boosted all the base dmg and like 4 shot bosses with rashad overheads lol

it does struggle into huge armor packs a bit

is really what pushed it out

[astral sundial]

Basically, what I want my rampage build to be is something I can go 50 shades of dumbass with

Run into a horde and only come out when everything is dead

[jaunty coral]

i ❤️ the shivs for it personally

and their hordeclear is really nice just light spamming at head level

but they're a finesse weapon with big dodges and its a playstyle

rashad is more straightforward and can delete hordes no problem

what difficulty do you play at?

[woeful hill]

Scum can 1 tap crushers with Rashad

It's kinda dumb

[astral sundial]

Auric

[jaunty coral]

in h40?

[woeful hill]

Auric scaling

[astral sundial]

Havnt dared to go into havocs yet

[woeful hill]

6500 hp

[jaunty coral]

ya rashad will crush anything in auric

one down fall of rashad IMO is its push atk and special action are both pretty mid/bad

push atk is fine when horde is really thick to mix in but its not great imo

so it doesn't have a ton of variety

[astral sundial]

okay the mk12 chaxe feels MUCH better

holy shit

[jaunty coral]

as long as you cool with that it will light spam 90% of things down and you overhead chop armored units and bosses

[drifting heron]

Stagger 18 billion ragers

[jaunty coral]

ya the push atk does have good stagger, true its good for rager packs

i find the special action to be kinda useless

long animation, sure it will stagger something but like 1 crusher lol

might as well have just overheaded

[astral sundial]

oooh

i just got the thief harness

Noice

[ripe seal]

oh shit the ammo aura actually works different how I thought it did, it adds 10% to the amount gained to everyone, so if I pick up 100 bullets, I get 10 extra bullets on top of that, I assumed it only applied to everyone else and not the person picking it up

and based on the big guide, everyone else would get a flat 10 ammo, including guns with low ammo pools like the kickback or rumbler, in which case that can end up being way better than scavenger

[spark gyro]

That actually sounds dope

So I can print ammo for the lads with automatic weapons

I imagined it was 10% of what the ammo pickup would give their weapon

[hallow raft]

https://youtu.be/kRyvPw_3ADQ?si=iOf6WHgoTuxxngCK

[lyric galleon]

https://youtu.be/U0r8yv8EdNk?si=eWHp3O6UqZj7sfk4

[unreal stirrup]

I need more information

[kind mist]

Hyper critical is a silly thig.

[keen timber]

hypercrit doesn't work on crushers

[flat mist]

I fucking love pete and bas

Nine and Dex their grandsons are absolutely sickeningly good aswell

Their latest drop Sydney Sweeney goes so goddamn hard

The flow is incredibly creative and well executed

[vernal sluice]

I love hypercrit

[tight musk]

But does it love you back?

[true urchin]

Anyone else running through aurics with just a needle pistol and pickpocket and just wrecking everything? It almost feels broken and I'm here for it.

I want see a run with 4 scum using needle pistol exclusively.

[unreal stirrup]

wait their grandson does music too

[flat mist]

https://youtu.be/sksr7K6hWKk?si=CPeGQGjdlJEO3ym1

https://youtu.be/Ih_Ux5zcE5Q?si=65sQQNhb534FOf_S

[astral sundial]

pfffft

I just got to make the ULTIMATE meele build in mortis

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1453190181149737121/58966B1.MP4?ex=694dddd2&is=694c8c52&hm=8f4622ab83b6f8e7ad742baf85a3d3959723bbefa5c507012dadaf8f429f5254&

[unreal stirrup]

oh just uv

[astral sundial]

+50% damage to electrified targets
+20% chance to electrify targets on meele
+5% chance to oneshot electrified targets with meele
-25% damage from electrified targets
+2 Charges to my ability (rampage)

• EVERY hit heals health AND corruption while in rampage

I became fucking IMMORTAL

+It was VERY fun

[unreal stirrup]

ah yes

electrocution

the thing that scum famously have

[unreal stirrup]

also this is auric since no hp debuff

[mighty belfry]

maybe supply melee scum is real

[low harbor]

Yea ik

[unreal stirrup]

im just too lazy to open up solo play

[vocal saffron]

i forgot entirely about mortis trials lol

[astral sundial]

Mortis is very likely my favorite mode in the game

[hallow raft]

Nine and dax aren't related to them. It's a joke based on everyone believing/claiming pete and bas have ghost writers for their material. And that nine and dax are said ghost writers.

[astral sundial]

These things piss me off SO much

420 and its just a +1 wounds

cool

Thanks obese fish

[zenith fern]

Mfw I have to carry several clutches until two people ragequit

Needler pretty fun though, first time using it

Just give little two dots and watch them die from chem
Not sure whats different between marks

[astral sundial]

One of the marks has a second mode that has a toxin spread

Like, blue mode makes the target explode and spread toxin around it

[zenith fern]

thats mk6 i am using

what about the other

[astral sundial]

absolutely no idea

[mighty belfry]

erm

[grand jewel]

can do it in H40 too, just stacking HV lol

[mighty belfry]

it's not the mk6

[livid raven]

Mk6 doesn't spread toxin

Only does an explosion

[zenith fern]

[livid raven]

Which sucks ass btw

[mighty belfry]

mk2 is the ridiculously good one

[zenith fern]

Idk I been using mk6 because that is the default mark when buying lmao

[livid raven]

Mk6 is the bad one

[mighty belfry]

bleh

[grand jewel]

mk6 stacks more on normal fire

its better for normal shooting, worse alt fire

[mighty belfry]

mk6 is more meant for single target while mk2 is meant for slightly worse single target/really good horde clear

which one is the better one?

no one knows.....

[zenith fern]

I spend more time on single target anyway

[grand jewel]

yea, 6 is generally better unless you want alot of funny sample collector procs

[zenith fern]

Is pickpocket even working? I tried to use on needler and did not seem to refill my reserve

[lapis raft]

it works yes

[low harbor]

It only does smth if you have <21 reserve ammo

[lapis raft]

also mk6 only applies more on crit and weakspot hits otherwise they apply the same amount in yellow mode

[zenith fern]

Oh I am stupid lmao

When it said reserve, I thought it meant my mag

[grand jewel]

🫃

[subtle yacht]

What's the dump stat for Needle Pistol?

[rare stirrup]

Damage, collateral or stability

They all do nothing

[zenith fern]

This the build using, it been really nice to play

Oops did not mean to reply

[subtle yacht]

Thank you

[zenith fern]

That was not my intention LOL

But i take damage as dump stat

[subtle yacht]

Doesnt the DOT scale off the damage stat

[rare stirrup]

No

[subtle yacht]

So it's lke the Flamer then?

[rare stirrup]

Yes

[hallow raft]

https://youtu.be/GBuTTz1-IQU

[zenith fern]

No, only the projectile from direct hit

[unreal stirrup]

dump damage on needler

[tranquil berry]

Dump damage on everything. Be a man! Damage stat is a crutch!

[zenith fern]

damage is such a meta

I spit on all players who do not dump damage stat

[rare stirrup]

https://i.redd.it/yn7lizvdc07g1.gif

[subtle yacht]

YES SIR ! 🙂

[ornate fiber]

So, how we feeling playing "the weakest class" of the game ? /s

[zenith fern]

The only thing that is weak is the bad players

[dim moth]

but I'm not playing psyker...?

[ornate fiber]

Honestly, I feel scum is pretty good right now

Hard to argue desperado isnt one of the strongest ability in the game

[brittle sierra]

Someone give me your funniest Christmas gif

[keen timber]

It really isn’t tbh

Desperado is good but like

It’s not that big a damage boost really

And the infinite ammo is much less impactful when you remember pickpocket exists

[ornate fiber]

Complete immunity to ranged damage, can be extended, decent damage boost, infinite ammo

nodes also provide rending, which is very valuable for scum

[keen timber]

Oh yeah

I forgot about the ranged immunity

Idk how

Yeah that’s big

[brittle sierra]

Ranged immunity is Vulture

[keen timber]

No

[ornate fiber]

No ?

[keen timber]

Vulture is everything

[brittle sierra]

Vulture most OP

[keen timber]

Well it keeps you in a dodging state

[brittle sierra]

😈

[keen timber]

Yeah it is

[ornate fiber]

Vulture is supposed to give immunity for one sec on crit, but its not even working right now

[keen timber]

Isn’t it?

[ornate fiber]

idk, I've tried it out even agains regular enemies while shooting stuff, and I still get hit by your regular poxers and whatnot

I've seen people say its not working against crushers overhead, but even regular enemies seem to attack me. I genuinely dont think its working at all

[keen timber]

Can’t comment on that specifically but it leaves you in a dodging state, it doesn’t make you damage immune so you can still take damage from things like flames or aoe such as crusher overheads

[ornate fiber]

to be fair, even if it was working, I dont think you'd need it if you play desperado

immune to ranged attack is all you need, just run and dodge everything else

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/agathasbike-homelander-gif-3664486938523379369

[keen timber]

For a one point investment skipping it is a stupid idea

[ornate fiber]

I mean, whats the point of it with desperado ? You arent gonna stand still while shooting, right ?

[grand jewel]

Ill just go test it

[grand jewel]

why maybe get hit by something when there is an option to not

[ornate fiber]

If you get stuck in the middle of a horde, you're screwed anyway, and you messed up

[keen timber]

Desperado isn’t 100% uptime and it’s still more immunity than desp

[grand jewel]

you can also just plant your face in enemies you're shooting and not get hit from behind or anything

its dumb

[keen timber]

Yep

[ornate fiber]

But feel free to test it out.

[keen timber]

It’s really stupid

[ornate fiber]

Spawn a horde of poxers around you, and a boss, then see if you still get hit

[keen timber]

They need to make desperado not give full ranged immunity anyway, vultures needs to be changed or go too

[grand jewel]

its the easiest way to play the game IMO lol

[tranquil fjord]

crusher overheads work differently from other attacks

[ornate fiber]

Yeah, I knwo

I never expected it to work anyway against those attacks

[keen timber]

They’re aoe

[ornate fiber]

i'm talking about regular enemies

[tranquil fjord]

yeah vulture's dodge is very finicky

how dodges even work is also finicky

its two levels of jank which makes it ehhh

not so worth running

[ornate fiber]

I just take it for the damage boost and cause its right next to pickpocket

[keen timber]

It’s pretty consistent if you’re shootign, obviously it only works if you are and if you’re running low crit it’ll not be working 100% of the time

[ornate fiber]

its essentially the cheap option as far as points spending go

[tranquil fjord]

you could take stim keystone for

more uptime on crits

more uptime on keystone, crits apply to your melee also

[keen timber]

If ur shooting then vultures mogs chem dependency absurdly hard

[ornate fiber]

Yeah but you need to build your stim around it+ dont get a damage boost

[keen timber]

It’s not even close

Vultures is crazy good

[ornate fiber]

if you use a weapon that doesnt benefit from crits, damage boost is better

[keen timber]

And it’s a 1-2 point investment too

[keen timber]

I mean on both setups ur better going full Cdr stim

[grand jewel]

hm

[ornate fiber]

Nah, Desperado NEEDS the rending stim

[grand jewel]

gentlemen, he may have a point

[keen timber]

No it doesn’t

[grand jewel]

wondering if one of the attacks from poxers counts as an AoE somehow, because not all of them are hitting

[keen timber]

You have so many other ways to get around armour

[grand jewel]

but some definitely are

[keen timber]

The rending is fine

[grand jewel]

VD up all the time

[keen timber]

But u have so many other options

[ornate fiber]

with desperado and rending stim, you're looking at 30% rending, which allows you to actually do some damage into crushers

[keen timber]

Or you can just take a melee weapon designed to deal with them and bring a blitz designed to handle them

[ornate fiber]

still not ideal, but that means you don't need to back up every time you meet a crusher

[keen timber]

Which the scum has two very good ones!

[ornate fiber]

If you're using desperado, you very likely are using the shivs, which are good against armor but weaker without dedicated melee nodes.

[keen timber]

Yeah but you’re only pulling them out for armour and to push things away really

Or to throw knives at people

[grand jewel]

takes 1 and 1/3 magazines with autos to kill a h40 crusher lol

the fact thats still ammo positive from pickpocket is dumb

[brittle sierra]

I have the take of the century

[grand jewel]

this'll be good

[brittle sierra]

#hivescum-class message

[ornate fiber]

Nah, not crate

[brittle sierra]

Yes crate

[ornate fiber]

melee shivs maybe, cause its really good, but not crate

[brittle sierra]

Best melee is Rashad

😈

[grand jewel]

crate is pretty dumb atm

[ornate fiber]

Rashad is good, still not close to shivs

[grand jewel]

good uptime, always applies buffs

meato

[signal nebula]

Shivs I think might be the best melee weapon in the game

[keen timber]

I agree tbh

[brittle sierra]

@low harbor 🍿

[keen timber]

Bro forgot power sword exists

[signal nebula]

Lol

[ornate fiber]

Power sword is OP when you hit, but weak on the backfoot

when you get hit with power sword, it screws the power up

[signal nebula]

Power sword is a own trick pony, mobility is king

[keen timber]

The problem here is you’ve managed to end up on the back foot with the power sword, which imply misplay

[signal nebula]

And shivs hit like a truck and move like an anime protagonist

[keen timber]

Wait

Is your pfp fucking garon

[ornate fiber]

yup

[keen timber]

LOL

[keen timber]

They also have a fantastic alt

[tranquil fjord]

if only the class had an ability that immediately restores all toughness and stuns enemies

[keen timber]

For real

Vet is a class with a lot of distinct tools

[tranquil fjord]

and grenades which can also stun and easily kill swathes of enemies

[livid raven]

apparently

[ornate fiber]

Final toll crusher laughing as it charges its overhead

[keen timber]

Yeah, another distinct tool.

[livid raven]

the way it works is that when you crit, you get put into a similar state to a dodge

[tranquil fjord]

which are regenerated, if not immediately replenished in usual engagements

[livid raven]

which doesn't last 1 second

[keen timber]

Me laughing as I press space and dodge it

[keen timber]

5% chance on elite kill when you’re killing 30 elites a pack adds up fast

[tranquil fjord]

cant even imagine if you had other teammates to kill elites

which you still get grenades replenished off of

[keen timber]

I mean I do think rotten armour still ends up problematic but that’s the nature of rotten armour

[signal nebula]

S tier special, so good

[keen timber]

It’s basically free zealot knives

Which is crazy

[tranquil fjord]

i think vet is more well off than most with krak nades

[keen timber]

they are for sure

[tranquil fjord]

and instant stun ability

[keen timber]

The issue arises in terms of quantity

Vet has 4 kraks, and we’ll say they kill 1.5 rotten crushers each

[tranquil fjord]

you cant throw kraks much when your team cant kill the elites so easily

[keen timber]

Maybe you get one double throw

And that’s like 7.5 crushers

In a pack that has so much other shit coming too

[tranquil fjord]

shout is a good safety net but its not as though its a constantly reliable cc

[keen timber]

It’s cooldown is fairly long

[ornate fiber]

Rotten armor is bad and im glad its gone

[keen timber]

Does he know?

[exotic temple]

I guess he doesn’t know

[ornate fiber]

I havent seen it so far in havoc

[eager reef]

[keen timber]

Its in rotation atm

As of this week

[eager reef]

Imagine playing havoc

[keen timber]

It’s making hav40 an absolute ballache

[ornate fiber]

But its not one of the main modifiers, is it?

[keen timber]

Blight spreads is also there

Aids modifiers

[ornate fiber]

Blight and rituals should be the main ones

[keen timber]

It’s not guaranteed I guess?

[eager reef]

Which one is that again?

[ornate fiber]

Gooey

Green

[keen timber]

Floor is lava

[eager reef]

Oh that's one

[keen timber]

Yeah

[eager reef]

Man all the fun modifiers are in havoc

[keen timber]

U step on it and ur entire hp bar becomes corrupted instantly

[ornate fiber]

One zealot with purity and you can ignore it

[keen timber]

That shit isn’t fun lmao

[keen timber]

U can’t

It means it’s not unduly punishing

But it’s still a bastard and you have to be careful

Crate scum however?

Hehe corruption immunity go brrrrrr

[eager reef]

The humble hive scum with meth addiction offering you immunity to lesser drugs

[limber cradle]

Very convenient the best classes to resist corruption on are both $12

[keen timber]

Is Arby?

It’s good on tox gas

[ornate fiber]

Arby is for gas

[keen timber]

Fantastic even

Yeah

I guess if that’s how you look at it

I can’t wait until we get an inferni release next

With a node that reads “75% resistance to fire damage”

[limber cradle]

Rebreather is pretty good, ik rebreather+1 corruption resist+cs lets you ignore poxbursters too

[spark pelican]

How is hivescum?

[eager reef]

Fun

[spark pelican]

I'm just getting into the game

[limber cradle]

Good, if you're strong enough

[limber cradle]

I do not reccomend it if you don't know the fundamentals

[keen timber]

Strong and has a lot of potential build options. Can be punishing, is sort of reliant on fundamentals existing

[spark pelican]

Oh ok

[eager reef]

If you are new it'll be a CBT session

[spark pelican]

But for a beginner like me which should I go for

):

[keen timber]

Idk what ogryn levelling is like, imo when starting out vet or zealot is probably the best starting point

Arby is an easy start, but idk if it’s necessarily a good one

Seems like it’d be easy to pick up bad habits

[eager reef]

Imo zealot.

Will teach you all the fundamentals

[brittle sierra]

Welcome

You will either be an addict or leave in one week

[limber cradle]

Zealot teaches a lot of fundamentals

[keen timber]

Zealot is fantastic for fundamental

[eager reef]

Without arby bad habits

[keen timber]

Having holy revenant also means you have a bit of a safety net

[trim wind]

try the original classes out and stick with the one that speaks to you most for the first time

[limber cradle]

I agree

[keen timber]

Imo psyker is kind of a bad starting point?

[limber cradle]

You can get hundreds of hours out of the OG 4

[trim wind]

eh

[keen timber]

I can’t stand psyker atm

[trim wind]

still worth trying

[keen timber]

My psyker is 21 and I just like

Don’t want to play them because it feels miserably shit

[trim wind]

dont meta out the beginning, feel out what you like

[limber cradle]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they won't

[eager reef]

Psyker can be boring if you dont vibe with the flow

[keen timber]

I need to sit there and spam assail to 30 I know

[limber cradle]

Its defo the hardest of the original 4 to manage tho

[brittle sierra]

Nah put on the fucking DS 😈

[tranquil fjord]

the campaign levels are all low intensity but give a fuck load of xp

[keen timber]

I like the idea behind the playstyle it just feels bad atm whilst levelling, things like staves being reliant on levels and blessings hurts.

[keen timber]

Wait are they actually low intens?

[tranquil fjord]

feels like it

[limber cradle]

They have set spawns

Idk of theyre low or not

[eager reef]

Fixed spawns but not strictly low int

[keen timber]

Fair enough

[eager reef]

I got a brain worm and tested it when we got new campaign

Only saw 3 patterns of spawns

But they get increasingly more dense as you progress.

[brittle sierra]

Great they ran away

Nice work guys

[eager reef]

Makes the twins odd with placement

[keen timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[eager reef]

Bc realistically you ought to be 20-25ish when you get there and playing on malice if all you did is up the the slider

But i loved getting queued in with lvl 28 timmy on damnation while I'm leveling weapons

[keen timber]

That twins mission actually ended up being pretty difficult. I was playing with a friend and just ended up having issues on damnation which was funny to me

Yeah

It’s pretty painful

[eager reef]

Esp if you get an armor pack spawn in that room

[brittle sierra]

I did this to a Smyker the other day

They got dogged and I just stood there and typed: "ew a Smyker"

And they INSTA left 😈