hivescum-class

[cedar cairn]

This is what Black Phillip was talking about when he described living deliciously

[main trellis]

[glacial gyro]

Just the first breakfast?

[tender marten]

UGH

[limber cradle]

My sympathies, I find my mental state is better when I eat in the morning.

[glacial gyro]

Or is that after second breakfast

[dawn portal]

Trying to not eat so many carbs. Breakfast is so sad without toast or pancakes grrrrrrr

[icy scaffold]

If double barrel works, I don’t see why bolt pistol wouldn’t work. Funny AoE clear, good damage into specials, bonus range buff to blitzes, very efficient pickpocket returns.

[tender marten]

I only breakfast on days where I don't work. If I fast until lunch I can enter a fugue state of rage where I work way better.

[winter galleon]

Enjoy it while can i used to eat the whole table and struggle to get to 120 throughout my 20s now im 170 and while fit i have to watch my intake in my mid 30s

[cedar cairn]

Exploits out here eating the breakfast that teenagers in movies get before grabbing a single piece of toast and running out the door

[tender marten]

bye mom luv u

[icy scaffold]

I’m sure someone will post a bolt pistol run in a week or two for content

[glacial gyro]

double barrel works because it has speedloader and produces a cone of red particle effects no matter what you point it at. Bolt Pistol doesn't have the cleave to hit specials behind a wall of poxers and it won't kill the poxers fast enough to matter. Specials are the game enders on higher havocs. That and bulwark walls, which bolt pistol is also not great into.

[north saddle]

I have. Game has been bordeline unplayable for me recently

[limber cradle]

I believe that, it's DT

[tender marten]

The secret is to not eat for the rest of the day.

[main trellis]

Exacly; bruh pistol is a sidearm, not a main range weapon for any build

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-ayutha-pooja-arnold-schwarzenegger-heroes-gif-hollywood-gif-13768401820019360728

[glacial gyro]

Its not a bad weapon, its just not the sort of weapon that benefits a lot from desperado.

[main trellis]

The new boltgun would be stupid op on desperado; glad its not usable
We already have casti arby with terminus for it (even ES is worse than it; tested )

[unique dagger]

I've had some success with stimm supply + max attack speed/reload +wield speed db shotgun but it is not as powerful as wep specialist shotgun vet

[glacial gyro]

Yeah but not because bolt pistol is some kind of secret busted, but because it is a challenge compared to vraks or dap

[charred bronze]

This really doesn't align with my experience. I kill gunner lines in every match, and desperado is excellent for that section of No Man's Land where you emerge from the ruins into the gunner ambush. They die fast. I recently tried swapping out speedloader for pinning fire just for the hell of it, and they die even faster, especially when you can flank them. You can kill at moderate distances with braced fire in short bursts too, though it's not as safe due to low VD uptime.

Can't speak to havoc but it works very well in auric.

I make it my job to kill reapers, gunners, and ragers before they can fuck up my squad

when I play desperado anyway. I mostly use Rampage because it's more engaging.

[main trellis]

All comes with skill & weapon you use & terrain & situational awareness - despy requires aggressive playstyle to fully utilize and many ppl are either too scared or too dogshit to survive once they push

[charred bronze]

but I don't think it's much of a question that desperado is "better"

[main trellis]

Works very well in havoc

[obsidian crown]

Playing with a lot of players makes me feel like I’m playing with bots

[glacial gyro]

Sure, I'm not saying its impossible. I'm saying that hive scum isn't inherently good at dealing with them, based on the options it has. You have to get close, or use a slower weapon. The first risks separating you from the team if you don't clear out everything between first, the second has a harder time maintaining vd (Unless you're using vraks, which is a good point between). It just so happens that the real power of hive scum is not just shooting the gunners, but in standing in the gunners' line of fire and shooting everything else.

[tender marten]

Hate when my Veneral Disease has low uptime

[charred bronze]

I think the ranged immunity from desperado absolutely makes them inherently good at, and uniquely suited to, killing them.

[idle ore]

are ppl using vultures or chem dependency on a desperado bolt pistol build

[echo python]

I'd probably go for dependency, more uptime

[main trellis]

They dont use bruh pistol to begin with

[bronze glade]

i'd prob go vultures

[idle ore]

i thought the same but its actually pretty good

[bronze glade]

chem dep isn't good just for cdr

and crit doesnt' do much for bistol desperado

[trim wind]

You just pop desperado and run at the gunners it's not complicated

[glacial gyro]

I think it is an enabler that lets them do something they would otherwise be unable to do at all. Vet is inherently good at killing gunners. Its just that he has to chosoe between Executioners Stance or VoC.

[winter galleon]

lets be real about nerfs though, desperado needs tuning to make it less boring but in terms of power, when i get on my psyker i feel much stronger

[bronze glade]

desperado just feels like gungungungunker

it's very oppressive

HIV doesn't get FGS, but it doesn't need FGS

[icy scaffold]

I prefer chem dependency. Ez crit, extra dr, and the cdr for desperado is fun

[charred bronze]

no offense, but that's a very questionable position. If you took key abilities away from most of the careers it would likely break a fundamental role they play in the squad.

And vet's relative effectiveness at killing gunners has more to do with available weapons than anything inherent to their talents

snipers are way more of a threat to desp scum than gunners are in any case. It's hard to hit those long shots with the braced burst

[limber cradle]

Tap em

Short, controlled bursts

[icy scaffold]

Battlefield tapfiring lets goooo

[tender marten]

lmao nerd just hold the trigger and rip

im on ten kinds of amphetamines the only thing im gonna burst is my heart

[icy scaffold]

or just poke them with a bolt pistol

[glacial gyro]

My entire position is they gave the job of dealing with gunners to the person with tools not really catered to it, and in doing so, simply made them horde grinders that can ignore distant gunners instead- And in fact SHOULD, because of the way desperado works, in that hosing through a horde gives you way more duration back than shoving your face in your sights and trying to peck a few gunners out. The entire ability rewards killing the melee enemies- Ragers, poxers, maulers- And then dealing with the gunners once their meat shields are dealt with. Or, ideally, leaving that to the vet, who can pick them off easily because you have all the gunner aggro on your invincible bulletproof body, enabling you to simply fall asleep on your M1 button and get double the score of everyone else on your team.

[charred bronze]

oh for sure, I kill them. But it works against what you want to be doing during desperado, which is maintaining uptime by hosing down as many heretics as possible, and getting crits for VD safety

[fallen void]

i love me crowbar

[tight dragon]

you guys wont believe this

im up to mission VI and VII

[charred bronze]

Okay, that's a more nuanced take that I agree with. But Fatshark didn't give them that job. Players are taking it on for themselves, and it works.

[fallen void]

jackpot

melk could never be this good

[obsidian crown]

I never ignore distant gunners tbh, I prioritize them actually.

[glacial gyro]

Your medal is coming in the mail, anyway, back to the topic of "how the ability works and how 99% of the playerbase plays it"

[tender marten]

the first taxe i bought at brunts for my scummer was 76×5

[charred bronze]

but the ability itself simply rewards closing with whatever you want to be shooting at. I find it works best when you yo yo out to murder ranged or other hard to reach threats, or your squad pushes into the space you're making and helps clear the area.

[obsidian crown]

Pretty much

[fallen void]

also

[obsidian crown]

No reason why you shouldn’t push up on gunners and remove them

[tender marten]

yea i argree desperado is about shooting yourself a straight line

[fallen void]

shivs are mobility dump right

[tender marten]

i dump pen cause uncanny strike

[trim wind]

The game rewards charging the gunner line, always has

[glacial gyro]

Well that's the kicker isn't it? The holy grail of matchmaking, finding a team that follows up on your aggression.

[charred bronze]

that's when I yo yo

[limber cradle]

Tbh even if they took ranged immunity off desp I would just slide at the gunners

[charred bronze]

and when I'm most likely to get punished for it too, obv

but that's the pug life

[fallen void]

anyone spare an old man some change?

[charred bronze]

it always works out better when the squad follows the line of aggression ime

[glacial gyro]

Sure, I'd be fine with that. That at least takes pressing buttons and using dodges, not just literally standing still in one spot pressing your shoot button.

[trim wind]

Why would stand still

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl to you I do it in desp anyway

[obsidian crown]

Because stupid

[limber cradle]

Like i have desp and VD on and I still slide and dodge religiously

[glacial gyro]

because can

[obsidian crown]

Exactly

[charred bronze]

if anything, vet's whole 'shoot from cover' mechanic is hilariously obsolete, and they should be given more aggression in their kit.

for ranged specifically

[obsidian crown]

Honestly just leave desperado as is or add massive ranged DR instead of immunity and bring up vet to a similar level for ranged

[limber cradle]

Its why I like the DAPs so much, they're so solid on the mobility front

Can use them smoothly throughout whatever motions you want

[charred bronze]

I think massive DR and suppression immunity makes more sense than immunity

[glacial gyro]

Just sending out all sorts of medals in the mail today. Don't worry guys, I am aware you're all the best at the game, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about all the people not in this discord who are getting carried to higher havocs by gun scum. To give a good example, I had a havoc 30 the other day with a guy who went on and on about his gun scum build and ignored everything I told him, had no idea how game mechanics worked, and still topped the scoreboard because he just killed everything and was untouchable.

[winter galleon]

i think thats why havnt noticed the supposed issue with vd people claim exists i have it but i still am dodging and sliding around constantly from habit

[obsidian crown]

Either way, that’s their identity. Gotta make sure it doesn’t get hit too hard

[charred bronze]

but we'll see. Again, a bunch of the player base still thinks scum is weak. And they are fragile, even with VD. Disablers and huge puddles of fire you can't get out of are wildly dangerous to them.

[limber cradle]

Thanks, I'll put them in a case and display them proudly.

[winter galleon]

i would say immunity while sprinting only but run'n'gun as a talent and being baked into daps makes that a moot point unfortuantely

[charred bronze]

close range shooty all the time is more their identity than the immunity, I think

nerfing pickpocket will do more damage to class identity than VD

[obsidian crown]

Biggest cap I’ve ever seen.

“Zero clue about game mechanics” - how I know you’re lying.

[charred bronze]

same. I refuse to get comfortable standing in a hail of bullets and expecting desp to save me.

[obsidian crown]

You ever think maybe, guy was just good?

[charred bronze]

might as well make the same complaint about arby

[glacial gyro]

Yeah I knew this cope was coming, and thats why I can safely tell you he fully died 3 times that match because he was confused how a crusher overhead hit him with VD up even after I told him twice.

[obsidian crown]

You’re contradicting yourself

[timid blaze]

"it insists upon itself"

[obsidian crown]

If you’re gonna lie, make it believable

[glacial gyro]

Yeah, to everything except the crusher overheads. Once was a bomber that he got himself wedged into a crowd and couldn;t get out of the fire, but the point still stands: If it wasn't something that explicitly ignored VD, he was untouchable.

[charred bronze]

gotta admit. Dying three times AND topping scoreboard is a serious feat. You lose a lot of killing time

[limber cradle]

One of the best bits that show ever did tbh

[glacial gyro]

So are you this absolutely insufferable in every day interactions, or just online when you know the only thing a person can do is block you for it

[obsidian crown]

Oh. Personal insults. That’s a loser’s POV argument

[limber cradle]

have something better than arguing about desp again scum chat

[winter galleon]

end of day its a game, and we also know fs isnt the nerfing type, at most some minor tweaks that indirectly nerf. if dont enjoy the playstyle enjoy one you do. its a game

[obsidian crown]

Gets called out for inconsistencies in his story - calls him insufferable. Make it make sense

[charred bronze]

Look how they massacred my boy

[obsidian crown]

Can you ride it

[charred bronze]

Dr. Ian Malcolm would never be chill about dinos breeding smfh

[limber cradle]

Don't think so, think there are petting zoos for the juvies tho?

[obsidian crown]

Dead game.

[limber cradle]

He is being deeply sarcastic fwiw

[obsidian crown]

No ride, no fun

[glacial gyro]

I call it like I see it, you want to treat claims as contradictory when they absolutely aren't. Untouchable doesn't mean 'took zero damage', that's a dimwit's interpretation of language. The guy stood in ragers, got whacked by maulers, surrounded by poxers- Situations you should never, ever let yourself get into- And was fine. It was only things that could pierce VD that killed him.

[charred bronze]

more importantly, can you now create an ecosystem park in the new game?

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/back-flip-suni-lee-team-usa-summersault-roll-gif-22951849

[limber cradle]

I think if you have a big enough park you can do a safari styled thing but tbh I just started so I don't wanna lie to you.

I do know they need to be happy to actually mate

[charred bronze]

cuz I will buy it instantly if I can just make a dino island and try to balance predator prey relationships instead of fucking around with theme park mechanics

[obsidian crown]

Ain’t Jurassic park until they break out

[limber cradle]

And I also know dropping them next to a rex will freak them out

[limber cradle]

It really is the best bit

[glacial gyro]

FOrtunately it was all in the part of GLoriana where you have to reset the power cells so he was always only a few feet away to revive

[soft quest]

is this class good? i dont have the dlc i just wanna ask

[limber cradle]

Very, very good.

[obsidian crown]

I actually was just here 2 days ago

[limber cradle]

You gotta be strong enough tho.

[charred bronze]

god I hate that encounter

[azure mist]

Incredibly good

[obsidian crown]

Goated ride ngl

[charred bronze]

on any career. It's so goddamned messy

[limber cradle]

Was fun? I haven't been to a theme park proper in ages. Sucker for JP stuff tho tbh.

[glacial gyro]

It really is.

[soft quest]

i ask because i got enough money on my card for either the arbites or the hive scum

[limber cradle]

How new are you?

[charred bronze]

it's very strong, but you have to enjoy a particular frenetic play style and understand basic mechanics to get anything out of it

[limber cradle]

Arb is much more forgiving

[obsidian crown]

Best ride there tbh.

[soft quest]

very new i only got 5 hours in the game because i dont have people to play with and my internet sucks

[limber cradle]

When I get to playing around with this I'll lyk for sure btw

[obsidian crown]

Went on it 4 times with the gf

[limber cradle]

Scum is gonna be rough if you're still learning and imo arb is gonna put you in bad habits.

[obsidian crown]

We had express pass

[charred bronze]

arbites is a better choice to get your feet wet, though it will absolutely teach you some bad habits about survivability

[soft quest]

i feel like i am already in bad habits for switching between zealot and guardsman

[glacial gyro]

Vet is what I would consider the 'baseline' class, teaches you fundamentals and can do everything reasonably well.

[tight dragon]

thx director

[obsidian crown]

Old psyker was the best for learning how to survive. Easier now though.

[limber cradle]

Zealot is a great class to learn fundamentals on tbh, vet is my favorite base game class. Imho you should play the base game classes to 30, learn some stuff, and figure out how you really like to play the game. I know it's not a fun answer but I think it's the best one.

[soft quest]

plus i dont get the whole subclass stuff

[charred bronze]

zealot is a good middle ground for a starting career. Good survivability, generally good at everything with the right weapon selections, really opens up once you get access to relic blade (which is an extremely fun weapon imo, that has some stuff to teach about maximizing your swing patterns)

[tight dragon]

a level 9 and level 16 scum against a bulwark, crusher and plague ogryn

[charred bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[soft quest]

i use to try psyker but constantly getting pinned was part of why i quit this game, and i didnt even touch ogryn

[glacial gyro]

Subclasses aren't really a hard "thing", its just three general archetypes as defined by major nodes in the tree.

[charred bronze]

psyker is VERY strong now

[limber cradle]

When did you last play? All the classes got overhauled recently.

[charred bronze]

but much less forgiving than other careers until you get specific talents and understand how you have to manage peril

[soft quest]

4 months ago

[charred bronze]

I'd still put psyker as the 'best' career overall

[limber cradle]

Yeah they all got tweaked recently so, very worth trying again.

[winter galleon]

Pskyer just plays god

[obsidian crown]

I still haven’t tried the buffed psyker yet

[soft quest]

the other big reason i quit is because i hate games that dont save progress if you dont play online...like space marine 2😒

[limber cradle]

Next time I end up in Florida I'll try to make time for universal tbh, they seem more accessible than Disney anyway.

[charred bronze]

er, well, it's a co-op online game, so that's gonna be a challenge?

[obsidian crown]

Accessible in what way

[limber cradle]

Yeah, darktide really wants to be played online tbh.

[obsidian crown]

It’s still super pricey.

Was about 1.2k usd for tickets/express pass

[glacial gyro]

That's mostly because progression is server side because otherwise it would be way too easy to cheat. You can thank all the shitheads for why we can't have nice things.

[limber cradle]

You can pay that much at Disney and still sit in line for 3 hours tbf

Per person too iirc

[obsidian crown]

Ah rip

[soft quest]

biggest heresy in this game is no krieg armor you can earn instead of buy

[charred bronze]

anaheim disney > disney world and I'll die on that hill

[glacial gyro]

I will never understand why anyone goes to disney.

[limber cradle]

Cult.

[charred bronze]

nostalgia, vibes

people watching is peak

[limber cradle]

Disney adults scare me.

[charred bronze]

kids love it

[obsidian crown]

We went to island of adventure which is where that ride is and universal. Island is way better

[astral canyon]

unironically pretty much yeah

[obsidian crown]

We went in universal, was like yeah, let’s go back to island

[charred bronze]

I have a pass, fear me. My partner is from NYC so sometimes she likes to go to crowded places full of idiot tourists when she gets homesick

but there are adults who go to disney, and disney adults, and we're not really in the latter category

[glacial gyro]

I mean I liked disney movies too as a kid, but like, I could either spend 1200 dollars going to disney to walk around in florida heat and get on 2 rides, or I could spend 300 and go to king's island and take several years off my life with fun-ass roller coasters

[obsidian crown]

She wanted to go to Disney and epic. And I talked her out of it. Said it was lame lol

[charred bronze]

I like knowing the history and the secrets though. One thing you can say about anaheim disney is that it has soul if you know how to look, and that's cool to me

[obsidian crown]

So that’s why we went to island and universal

[charred bronze]

why not support your partner's interests instead? =/

[limber cradle]

Tbh the only thing you'd get me into Disney for nowadays is the star wars stuff but thats multi hundreds of dollars on top of what you already paid to get in

[obsidian crown]

She’s a thrill seeker and never been to any. And she didn’t realize they don’t have that many roller coasters.

[charred bronze]

?? batuu is free to enter? You don't need to buy an overpriced lightsaber

[charred bronze]

Oh, yeah, disney isn't for that.

[limber cradle]

The lightsaber is the selling point

[obsidian crown]

Like we love doing things like shark cage diving, skydiving, BASE jumping , scuba diving, rappelling l, etc

[charred bronze]

though universal rides always make me motion sick. Hate them

[glacial gyro]

And the ones they do have are uh... Low intensity.

I looked up what disney rides are the highest intensity and its like, splash mountain, which would be a footnote at any other amusement park.

[obsidian crown]

Yeah it wasn’t our vibe

[charred bronze]

Discovery Cove was a cool experience. Went in November back before we knew what a pos JK Rowling is for Harry Potter (which is still one of the best themed areas in a park anywhere, regardless), and went to discovery cove while we were there.

Heated lazy river through an aviary was peak

[radiant swift]

thoroughly recommend Busch gardens if you are in that areaish

for costers

[obsidian crown]

We did talk about going to the VA one in the summer. We have a Mexico trip planned in March

[radiant swift]

I had a ton of fun at the one in florida, when I went almost 10 years ago now 💀

[obsidian crown]

Tons of fun activities planned like ATV’s, jet skis, rappelling, scuba diving, etc

Checking out the cenotes

[charred bronze]

they have some gentle fun coasters out here, like space mountain and big thunder mountain. Incredicoaster is great. Mission Breakout.

Disney is generally more about experiences than thrills though

[obsidian crown]

Phone please

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-pinhead-what-coolstorybro-head-gif-4593768

[glacial gyro]

I mean that's fair, I'm not here to yuck anyone's yums, its just not for me

[glacial gyro]

Dark eldar confirmed?

[obsidian crown]

Yeah. Exactly. She isn’t a Disney adult at all. Furthest thing from it

[charred bronze]

Rise of the Resistance is an incredible ride experience, and I hate the sequels

[limber cradle]

Id say I wish but someone will take me seriously

[obsidian crown]

Which I’m grateful for tbh

Since I’m also a thrill seeker

[glacial gyro]

An event where we have to fight off drukhari taking advantage of the chaos to abduct civilians would be cool

[charred bronze]

honestly, we'd get murdered by drukhari

[glacial gyro]

Or, it would be, until everyone realizes how much of a pain in the ass to fight they would be

[glacial gyro]

They'd have to use thralls or something as the fodder, an actual Kabalite or Wych would be miniboss-level.

And then at the end you have to fight an Incubus

[astral canyon]

what about an outcubus

[glacial gyro]

We don't talk about him

[astral canyon]

too bad

start talking

[glacial gyro]

Listen, haemonculi can do some crazy shit, but until you've been charged by an incubus who is literally inside out you can't claim to have seen anything yet

[pulsar aspen]

@astral canyon The word you might be looking for is Succubus. And in Drukhari society, they are the rulers of Wych Cults.

Just as deadly as an Incubus.

[limber cradle]

They don't have a new model right?

Succubi

[pulsar aspen]

Well..as a general model i don't think so, but there is a new model of Lelith Hesperax.

[tight musk]

Rejects and arbites fighting drukhari while scum are sharing stimms with them in the background, or smth idk.

[limber cradle]

Thats what i thought, ty

[pulsar aspen]

You don't fight a Drukhari. They just kill you.

[limber cradle]

Scum trying to make off with whatever esoteric poisons the DE have to make their tox stronger

[limber cradle]

Nah come on now

You'll live

To be turned into entertainment.

[pulsar aspen]

Right you are, being killed and left alone is the good outcome.

[limber cradle]

Waste of good suffering if you just die.

[pulsar aspen]

Rogue Trader has some very.. disgusting.. examples of perpetual and creative torment

[limber cradle]

Still need to get to comorragh in that

Don't spoil them for me

I love a good perpetual torture device

[tight musk]

They don't, they capture you, torture you, and when they get bored they turn you into a living piece of furniture, like a chair or smth.

[pulsar aspen]

Perhaps.

Or they kill you by endless suffering only to revive you and do it all over again.

Multiple times.

[astral canyon]

nah

outcubus

[limber cradle]

That's that good DE medical technology

[astral canyon]

the opposite of incubus

[pulsar aspen]

You can safe your attempts at being funny. They are wasted on me.

The opposite or corresponding title/term/word for Incubus is Succubus.

[trim wind]

It's outcubus now, sorry thems the rules

[pulsar aspen]

They are not. Believe the nonsense all you like, that doesn't make it true.

[charred bronze]

true. We would not die. We'd just get a fail cutscene that looks like an Ikea catalog where all the furniture has eyes and mouths and shit

[hollow lake]

I think it is outcubus actually

Similar to leftcubus

[charred bronze]

The only one I truly fear is the prepositioncubus. They're everywhere.

[junior field]

“Don’t look so down! Try to have a little fun!”
“I hate you.”

https://tenor.com/view/idgaf-smug-smug-monkey-lion-beta-gif-2814800372123763926

They hate us cause we’re jolly maxing

[charred bronze]

this is why I'm coming to love the anarchist

[limber cradle]

God that's funny

[junior field]

He’s great

“But… no party ):”

[charred bronze]

huh, just saw a scum with both a bionic eye and a rebreather mask.

Was that just cosmetic delay, something I haven't unlocked yet, or???

looked great

[main wagon]

IIRC all of the human cybernetics cosmetics can be used on Scum so either one of those, or legend found out a glitch to wear two helmets at once

Real ones remember the space balls helmets

[astral canyon]

either professional or loose cannon vet: "and here i thought you were the queen of improvisation"
anarchist: "yeah, but only when its funny"

anarchist is just having the time of their life here

[hazy vector]

i mean i would have it if i got to kill and destroy without any repercussions

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/zhukov-gif-25031719

[main wagon]

Using the mastery shiv skins because they look festive

Ding fries are done ding fries are done…

[exotic temple]

I look at it like a paragon class. It’s kinda more for people who are comfortable with the game. If you don’t have the fundamentals down it will be frustrating.

[radiant swift]

I think maul and one of the ogryns have a conversation similar to this

definetly one of the arbites and an ogryn talk about something of the sort

something about both scare people when they smile

[north saddle]

Aight imma need y'all to pray to the machine spirit because imma boot up Darktide in a bit and i hope it isnt that coagulated rusty laggfest it has been the last week

[brisk chasm]

hi guys i just started playing darktide and idk what anything is and i bought hive scum idk what to do i did the first 2 campaigns, any tips?

[radiant swift]

keep playing, trying out more weapons getting them maxed, unlock auric and havok etc

[vast wigeon]

You don't know how to do anything and you paid for a 20$ class? How are you even sure you'll like the game

Tips

1. block when you hear the attack sound
   1a) hold attack to do a push into followup which allows you to do damage while still blocking
2. dodge and run perpendicular, ideally zigzag when approaching a gun line
   Not doing so will end up with you being shot dead hilariously fast
3. you can slide the shots of enemies that have a muzzle glint
   So shooters and shotgunners, but you cannot slide to dodge the sustained fire of reapers and gunners

[fiery palm]

Watch this. Ryken has a lot of great material and this will explain the core concepts of the game. Also, bind jump and dodge to different buttons, with dodge being whatever is most comfortable to you. You don't want to spam dodge so much you start bunny hopping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ccip7MGTCY

[radiant swift]

Binding dodge and jump to different buttons is one of the top things i'd recommend

[glacial gyro]

Ryken is fantastic for new players. COnsume all of his content.

[trim wind]

i bind all my keys to jump in addition to their normal function. Shoot? jump. ADS? jump. Special? jump.

[vast wigeon]

I hate the people who bind ping to attack

[trim wind]

they are war criminals

[vast wigeon]

Also why the brettonian dance

[shut tapir]

whats a good middle range brawler/supportive scum build yall appreciate for auric and maelstroms?

[vast wigeon]

Support?

Bro you're going down in 1 moderate to big mistake, fuck support

The best thing you can do for your team is not be a mistake and give crushers super AIDs

[bronze glade]

idk what the obsession with support builds is

this isn't a hero shooter

[radiant swift]

me seeing a psyker say "it's fine I play support" when talking about smite

[vast wigeon]

Relatively low investment crusher,mauler, and boss deletion is support enough, but if someone dies in a room surrounded by shooters, they're staying down until I kill the shooters

[zealous ravine]

hero slasher

[vast wigeon]

All the psykers are using that wildly op fire build though, or at least it seems op

I can't out kill them and I can't see shit

[zealous ravine]

psyker has some goofy stuff for sure

[vast wigeon]

And I'm pretty sure it's the meta op because it's the only thing I see

[drifting heron]

You can out kill them, it just requires you play very very aggressively

[radiant swift]

flame psyker is silly yes

infinite cleave with infinite ammo and relatively easy usage

[zealous ravine]

90% of darktide players quit right before fatshark nerfs inferno staff

[toxic dagger]

I'm going to finally do this today after 1400 hours lol

Tired of the hop of doom

[shut tapir]

i guess a better word for support is "my teamamtes are dumb as fuck but I can still make it work and drag us through"

carry usually brings the autists out in a 0 productive discussion

[toxic dagger]

Completely unmodded game, almost entirely default keybinds. I have been facetanking the Intended Fatshark Experience for 3 years.

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[drifting heron]

Please heal yourself

Get the bare minimum qol mods

Fix your binds

[livid raven]

space and jump on the same buttons are totally fine if you get the anti-jump mod

it's a mystery why this had to be a mod

[drifting heron]

Just put jump on alt

Its right there

[radiant swift]

• watching the new hive scum jump into a crusher overhead

[toxic dagger]

Well I still can't do that because I play in the cloud

[toxic dagger]

But I'm definitely doing that

[exotic temple]

Stim crate has some feasible builds. You can either spread toxin around like a war criminal or abuse a bug that lets you stim then use crate and double up on your stim effect.

[toxic dagger]

Oh the crate does copy the Stimm even when it's on cooldown now?

[radiant swift]

sorta

[livid raven]

yes, it's a bug

[radiant swift]

you gotta walk in then back out of the pack or something

[dire badge]

I too am a purist when it comes to multiple games save minecraft. I play as the devs intended and dont download any mods or anything. And I suffer for it. Yet I don't have to suffer not having mods for a few days on a new update so pros and cons

[exotic temple]

Yeah iag attack speed and reload speed is gross when doubled up

[north saddle]

The lag is still terrible

And the teammates are worse

[keen timber]

I have my jump on ctrl, did that years ago

[dire badge]

What do you have slide on then

[rare stirrup]

C obviously

[drifting heron]

C

[rare stirrup]

Who the fuck uses ctrl

[drifting heron]

Like a normal person

[broken moss]

as in crouch? rear side mouse button

[drifting heron]

We're going to kill you with hammers

[keen timber]

C

[dire badge]

I have my pinkie on Ctrl to slide

[broken moss]

every high use key like that is somewhere i always have a finger on

[drifting heron]

Yeah

Like c

And space

[broken moss]

no

space yes. c no

[dire badge]

So you press c and space same time to slide dodge

[drifting heron]

You just put the tip of your thumb on C

[broken moss]

space is jump

[drifting heron]

You still have the joint on space

[keen timber]

what

wasting space on jump and not dodge is heinous

[broken moss]

pretty sure thats default for any game lol

[drifting heron]

We are Definitely going to kill you with hammers

[broken moss]

why would i waste space on dodge, when its on my left thumb mouse button?

[cedar cairn]

The fuck do you mean left thumb mouse button

[keen timber]

mods. beat this man to death with hammers.

[brittle sierra]

Lefty

[drifting heron]

Because you can't take a sip of your drink and stay alive at the same time

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-hammer-stop-hammer-time-cant-touch-this-super-freak-hip-hop-gif-24612402

[lapis raft]

i have both dodge and crouch bound to shift

[cedar cairn]

Damn I turned into a christian for a second and forget left handed people exist

[drifting heron]

If i go to take a sip I have all pertinent immediate survival keys under my left hand

So i can just dodge if something finds me

[broken moss]

ive actually done this

[tight musk]

I'm left-handed but I use keyboard and mouse the way normal people do. Mostly.

[north saddle]

Yep, its just as bad

My game is having a stroke and i am surrounded by idiots

Fuck this

I am going back to playing Empire at war

[true cosmos]

What are the recommended perks and blessings for dual stubs?

[broken moss]

i take salvos and reload speed

[true cosmos]

Are you talking about Sustained Fire and Speedload?

[plucky nymph]

"na east" and "decline literally everyone in havoc" name a better duo, u cant

[bronze glade]

sustained and run n gun for me

though i don't use it with desperado

[bronze glade]

prob sustained and speedload for desp

[woeful hill]

I feel enlightened

thanks Quandale Dingle

[true cosmos]

I'm not using it with Desperado at the moment, so this sounds good.

What about perks?

[broken moss]

idk the perk names but whichever gives u damage on 2/3/4 shots in the salvo, and reload speed on kill

[bronze glade]

prob flakiac

[plucky nymph]

thaks

[bronze glade]

it's mostly a 2 shot gun either way lol

[tight musk]

I'd use dual stubs as a sidearm for melee if I could put stripped down on them.

That blessing is one of the reasons I use the needle gun as a sidearm, another is just toxin being good against pretty much everything.

[brisk chasm]

yeah it was dumb😅 but i like the game and i wanted to play as hive scum because i say someone play it and it looked like ash and wraith from apex its wtv tho i bought it cuz i had money left over

[true cosmos]

By the way, is there a way to make the crosshairs more visible through modding or otherwise? It's really hard to see them when I'm using the dual stubs' trickster shots in a heated fight.

[brisk chasm]

okey dokey

[clever wren]

Crosshair Remap and Custom Crosshair Color mods

[vast wigeon]

Plot twist

Turn off screen shake

I don't have screen shake but I heard shake and away make it impossible to use tricks not for precision

Also I have severe motion sickness from camera away so I need to

[true cosmos]

Hmm, I'll try that.

[true cosmos]

I have Crosshair Remap already. Do you have a suggestion for what I can set the dual stub crosshair to for better visibility?

[loud herald]

weird question for yall, there's no way to turn off the screen blur you get when you have a stimm effect on you is there?

whether it be from the stimm supply, actual stimms etc

[clever wren]

Entirely up to your preference, I usually use Small Circle or whatever the + with center dot is called (the variant that doesn't change size), bright purple in either case

[clever wren]

Disable Screen Effects mod

[loud herald]

shoot I thought it could be a base option

guess I better get into mods again lol

[loud herald]

[hazy vector]

fuckn leaf lover

EMBRACE DRUGS

[loud herald]

I AM EMBRACING THEM

[dreamy portal]

What's a good tox build i could use. I'm swapping between scum weapons often to whichever has the lowest mastery and currently that's the bonesaw and needle gun.

Also which needle gun has greater dispersal of tox upon enemy explosion?

[dim moth]

only Mk2's explosion spreads tox on enemy death

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife I use this for tox build

bonesaw slots right in really

[dreamy portal]

Sure only mk 2?

[dim moth]

possibly worth taking extra cleave from middle tree

bonesaw uses Shock & Awe+Decimator/Wrath

That guy needs the cleave

[dreamy portal]

Reckon hive scum will get more cosmetics in the future as opposed to the arbites since GW never released more stuff for arbites by the way?

[dim moth]

well the first time they would have gotten new cosmetics was a few days ago

So I'll give you a maybe

[candid flare]

They can't for arb, they have an ocean to pull from for scum

[dim moth]

There's certainly more options

Hive Scum don't exactly wear uniforms

[dreamy portal]

I mean they do, but loosely.

[dim moth]

uniform restrictions for hive scum: wear the correct color prominently, have cartel symbol somewhere visible

[dreamy portal]

At the very least i think arbites could get a helmet that comes with a rebreather.

[dreamy portal]

Pretty much, yeah

[candid flare]

A leather gimp mask isn't rebreather enough for you?
Too bad

[icy scaffold]

I heard MK6 can, it just doesn’t in the psych ward. Haven’t bothered checking if it’s true or not though

[dreamy portal]

Will say though, that is a pretty classic look.

[charred bronze]

embarassing question. I have crouch on c, dodge on space. Where do I need to move crouch for easy slide dodges?

[candid flare]

It matches my crusher maul

[charred bronze]

what's the technique there? I've been doing vanilla slides forever

[trim wind]

Whatever is comfortable

[charred bronze]

I'm not sure what'll work to be honest. Curious about what other folks are doing to get inspiration

[tender marten]

Your darktide experience improves dramatically once you buy a racing wheel and some pedals.

[obsidian crown]

I use a mouthpiece that I breathe in. Keeps my lungs strong

[fiery palm]

I removed my lower jaw and crammed a soup can into my mouth

[dim moth]

both alt fires have a...

[fiery palm]

full darktide experience

[dim moth]

0.85 meter radius

Mk6 explosion does not spread toxin

Mk 2 does

[dreamy portal]

I just shock a buncha monkeys in the brain til they take an action i want.

[obsidian crown]

Ok Hassan

[dreamy portal]

Hey, i'm only joking. Besides where am i gonna get a buncha' docile monkeys in this economy?

[tender marten]

Have you seen congress?

[dreamy portal]

Hey, i'm all for stickin' it to the man, but isn't political kidnapping a bit much?

[tender marten]

It's not kidnapping, it's lobbying. You just lure them to where they need to be with a line of bananas.

[dreamy portal]

By the way, does anyone else think the hive gangs on tertium kinda have some kinda resemblance to the 4 chaos gods? Like color wise?

[fiery palm]

yes it's very intentional

[dreamy portal]

Figured it might be.

Especially with the show who look to come from the carnival district, which as i understand nurgle has his own carnival roaming fantasy.

[livid raven]

What do you mean

[charred bronze]

red khorne, green nurgle, purple slaanesh, blue tzeentch, yeah.

Though, given that the carnival is where fun drugs and questionable sex parties are are, carnival shoulda been purple and and the other dudes green

[dreamy portal]

The show flies green as their colors, and i think i remember reading something in character creation they run the carnival.

[dreamy portal]

I mean isn't there also a typa' drug that chaos corrupts you for usin' it?

[charred bronze]

That's kinda the whole thing with our missions in the carnival, but it's still the kind of area where I'd think slaanesh would hold sway

since pleasures of the flesh is their whole thing

[dreamy portal]

Ok, but nurgle's the 1 with a roaming circus show in fantasy, so i think it checks out the show would be the green guys who run the carnival.

[charred bronze]

Oh no shit? I didn't know that

[livid raven]

No

It's tzeench

[charred bronze]

that's even weirder

[dreamy portal]

You sure?

[charred bronze]

I can see a travelling carnival spreading plague throughout the land. What's the point for tzeentch?

[livid raven]

It's the menagerie

Carnival would be pretty out of character for nurgle

[dreamy portal]

How so?

[livid raven]

How would it be in character

[dreamy portal]

How does jolly merriment sound out of character for the chaos god of death decay and stagnancy?

[limber cradle]

Nurgle is chronically unserious tbh

[charred bronze]

and canonically jolly

[dreamy portal]

So's tzeench and slaanesh, honestly.

[fast wind]

I know it's basically never going to happen but hive scum digganob cosmetics would go hard

[charred bronze]

apparently his followers that actually get to keep their minds are quite fond of him

[limber cradle]

You look at this fuck and tell me he doesnt yearn for a carnival

[dreamy portal]

The unserious part, not the jolly part, that's nurgle exclusive

[dreamy portal]

I'd buy that cosmetic.

[charred bronze]

lol

apparently the name of a popular brit pop band is against the server rules, despite everything else we say and discuss

[dreamy portal]

By the way, you reckon if any cosmetics they could see about, reckon they could make some robo-cop type cosmetics for arbies?

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[charred bronze]

so I'll try again.
@limber cradle that guy yearns for both the pleasures of the flesh and carnivals.

Honestly though, what was it even supposed to be originally? Or is that just a generic nurgle demon?

Why don't get we get nurgle bagpipers in Darktide

[limber cradle]

That's a sloppity bilepiper

I don't remember what exactly he does tbh

[naive rampart]

The Sloppity Bilepiper

[fast wind]

well old arbites were very robocopey, they've leaned into making them more stand out but that old chrome bucket design was cool

[dreamy portal]

i will say, just look at nurglings in general and tell me they don't belong in a circus, possibly as trapese artists who are really bad at it due too the puss in their eyes.

[charred bronze]

oh, the british. Sloppity bilepiper indeed

[limber cradle]

I don't think we have many common daemons running around tbh

[fast wind]

wym literally every other thing in warhammer is british where do you think it came from initially?

[limber cradle]

Ive always wanted a swarm of nurglings boss tho

[fast wind]

I think thats from a fantasy thing, could go either way with nurgle though

the plague bearers do sing a funny little song as they trudge about in most cases

[dreamy portal]

i mean...i've mentioned before that nurgle has a traveling circus show in fantasy before to begin with.

[fast wind]

makes sense, viable way to spread his disease

[charred bronze]

there's that VT2 event where there are nurglings everywhere right? A Quiet Drink?

[dreamy portal]

hell, nurgle you could even say has the physique of a ring leader when you think of it. just put a top hat on him.

[limber cradle]

Do not remember tbh

[charred bronze]

I think it's an oktoberfest seasonal

[fast wind]

slaanesh has a weird contrast towards nurgle as overindulging in eating food is very slaanesh too so theres a bit of crossover depending on what ideals the cultist has

[charred bronze]

honestly? Fairly welcoming. Not that different from actual carnival meth heads

[dreamy portal]

will say, it would be nice if as a means of showing how bad the nurgle corruption is if there WERE more daemons than beasts of nurgle lurching about.

[charred bronze]

various humanoid elite demons would be a good way to add elites with infested, unarmored, etc. I spose

[dreamy portal]

very least among the pox walkers, and carriers throw in some nurglings as well. not sayin' throw some plague bearers at the players just yet, just nurglings, maybe a rot fly every now-and-then.

[dim moth]

yeh overindulgence is very universal

which is why all 3 of the other chaos gods hate slaanesh

because they keep poaching their followers

[charred bronze]

all the chaos gods hate all the chaos gods really

[dim moth]

like more so than they hate eachother I mean

[charred bronze]

which is why chaos undivided is the dumbest possible faction for tabletop

[dreamy portal]

How so?

[clever wren]

I always figured Nurgle stuff was bloated with decay more so than gluttony

[limber cradle]

Gluttony is moreso a slaanesh thing, yeah

[dreamy portal]

For slaanesh is mainly most of the 7 deadly sins.

[limber cradle]

The Glutos model

[dreamy portal]

I'd leave wrath out for khorne.

[fast wind]

makes a lot of sense, each chaos god has some method of poaching, tzeentch lures with fortune, khorne with bloodshed and nurgle with painlessness, other stuff too but those I find are some of the more appealing reasons to cultists

[charred bronze]

I will say that DT doesn't have enough random crab claws

that was something I always associated with chaos

[limber cradle]

They're a slaanesh thing tbh

[charred bronze]

poor crustaceans getting lumped in with evil

[clever wren]

Envy and especially Greed would be Tzeentch

[clever wren]

All things retvrn to crab

[dreamy portal]

Good point.

[fiery iris]

good evening. sry to jump in. you guys know anything about not being able to activate talents on this class. i can click them active but it does nothing. still locked to base blitz and career ability. same goes with cartel stim, no matter how many points into that it doesnt become usable

[charred bronze]

so you're suggesting that crabs are the living embodiment of universal entropy?

[limber cradle]

Dumb question but have you closed and opened the talent menu

[fiery iris]

ye

[clever wren]

Nah, crabs are well-ordered creatures

[limber cradle]

And its defo not selecting them, not just not highlighting them?

[bronze glade]

try restarting the game?

[dreamy portal]

You know, if anything i think slaanesh is the representation of oppulance, desire, excess, and inspiration towards art.

[fiery iris]

okay. for some reason game needed to be restarted to make talents work... jesus christ these fatshark games sometimes...

[dreamy portal]

Even if that inspiration may be a little unsanitary

[limber cradle]

Hit the nail on the head man.

[clever wren]

It doesn't even necessarily have to be, it can simply require an unhealthy degree of perfectionism

[lapis raft]

71% uptime on 75s stimm, lovely

[limber cradle]

All sorts of things fall under Slaanesh's domain, they're a god of excess

[dreamy portal]

It's the difference between painting with actual tools and using every fluid the human body can produce.

[charred bronze]

yeah, slaanesh's portfolio is 'I'm the god of dissipated elven society that has turned to absolute decadence' really.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Slaanesh

[limber cradle]

Whether you're a culinarian, a commander, or a collector

You can be corrupted by slaanesh

[clever wren]

Part of the grimdark of 40k is that even if the galaxy was a nice neighborhood, everyone would be juicing Slaanesh and Tzeentch instead of Khorne and Nurgle

[dreamy portal]

Or a hive lord or water baron.

[limber cradle]

Pleasure worlds lmfao

[dreamy portal]

I dunno, get a good bar fight goin' and khorne starts gettin' fed i feel.

[clever wren]

Not sure if it has ever been official or if this is just my hallucinated canon but I think it's implied that Dark Age of Technology human civilization gave a huge boost to (and then was fucked over by) Tzeentch in a similar manner to the Eldar with Slaanesh, just to a lesser degree because human souls aren't as tasty as space elves

[dreamy portal]

Khorne was probably created around the time the war on heaven started.

[true cosmos]

What RGB values do you have set for your crosshair to make it bright purple?

[clever wren]

255 red, 0 green, 255 blue

[limber cradle]

@charred bronze I still haven't tried it for myself but I am seeing videos of people doing like, ecosystem style builds for JWE3

[dreamy portal]

So what were those perks that work best for a tox build again? I think 1 was shock and awe?

[charred bronze]

that's awesome. Gonna see if it's on winter sale

[mighty belfry]

For bonesaw? Yeah.

[dreamy portal]

Wasn't there 1 that also adds cleave?

[charred bronze]

hm 20% is not yet cheap enough I think. I'll mull it over

[charred bronze]

lotta overlaps between khaine and khorne

[mighty belfry]

Wrath or Decimator.

I personally prefer Decimator even though the stacks go away on miss because the extra damage helps.

[charred bronze]

The name "Khorne" derives from the god's name in Chaos' Daemonic Dark Tongue, Kharneth, meaning "Lord of Rage" or "Lord of Blood." Khorne is the mightiest and the oldest of the four major Chaos Gods, fully coming into existence in the Immaterium sometime during Terra's European Middle Ages in the early 2nd Millennium, its birth heralded by an era of wars and conflict that raged across the globe.

According to the wiki

[dreamy portal]

Those talents or blessings?

[mighty belfry]

Blessings

[dreamy portal]

Right...

[hardy maple]

watching Arc Raiders discord chats compared to this one...its like a constant barrage of bad takes

[charred bronze]

how big is the arc raiders discord? The more gen pop a forum is, the more bad takes you're gonna see

[dreamy portal]

So what are good blessings for the needle gun then?

[hardy maple]

alot

[mighty belfry]

I run Stripped Down and Hot Shot personally.

[tender marten]

Point Blank and Desperado

[mighty belfry]

Was thinking of changing Stripped Down to Run n' Gun for the extra close damage but the class has a lot of stamina efficiency so you can really abuse Stripped Down.

And Hot Shot helps with propagating toxin in dense hordes.

[dreamy portal]

Arn't those talents?

[tender marten]

theyre both

[mighty belfry]

Nah. Blessings.

Idk why Fatshark insists on using the same name for both blessings and talents but it is what it is.

[dreamy portal]

Oh shit, they are both.

[mighty belfry]

I also say. This is mainly for mk2 needle since crits don't affect it as much as mk6

[dreamy portal]

Well i don't have point blank to level 4 yet so hotshot and desperado it is.

[brittle sierra]

Bait set 😈

[charred bronze]

I was just thinking about this. Really hard on new players.

[mighty belfry]

It honestly pisses me off how much this game throws newer players for a loop with how unintuitive it is, despite me loving it so much.

It really hurts this game's retention.

Even something as simple as not using the same word for different mechanics would help.

[exotic temple]

Carnival of chaos was nurgle

[brittle sierra]

People with 3 times my play time, still using 5 wounds because they think it gives more health 😭

What would be cool is to get rid of wounds all together and instead have talents that scale on HP

[bleak prawn]

POV: Hive Scum when they see a trapper fleeing

[exotic temple]

The carnival of chaos would go about the backwaters and spread disease and pestilence on unsuspecting villagers. Having a leisure district even though the infected stims may have been used to transmit the blight does feel more slaneeshy

If they were summoning demons and stuff outta the carnival it would make more sense.

[vale garden]

Doing drugs for slaanesh
Reusing the needles for nurgle

[exotic temple]

I still think it would be interesting to have slaneesh be in the upper spires. You could reskin some stuff and make the enemies move faster and hit hard but are easier to kill

[muted pivot]

What do we like on a needle pistol atm?

I've made a mark 2 with dumped damage, unyielding, carapace, stripped down and hot shot

[vale garden]

If they add a new enemy and it isn't nids I think the community will lose its mind

[muted pivot]

is that good?

[exotic temple]

I take run and gun for hot shot but that’s just qol for how i play

[vale garden]

Tbh though im not sure how they would even do nids

[exotic temple]

I think nids would be relatively easy

Half the units would be reskins

[vale garden]

Itd be weird aiming at knee height for the mooks

Yeah doing a genestealer cult with proper nids as elite or special would probably be the way

[exotic temple]

You could have 1rst gen gene stealers act like gutter runners in vt2

[fast wind]

sneakier dogs

[exotic temple]

Instead of ogryns you have the aberrants , less armor but more base hp and rage mechanics

The Sanctus could act as either a sniper or do a pounce if you get too close

Primus or magus could act like sorcerers in vt2 but I felt the storm spell was kinda whack. It would be more thematic if they like made gsc units immune to suppression

[fiery palm]

how do the kinives hold up for this compared to shivs? do shivs attack much faster to outweight the better uncanny? I know uncanny isn't doing much for tox but it is for bleedes

[mighty belfry]

shivs have a decent adm against flak and carapace already and because uncanny is nerfed, it doesn't actually do much for bleed

if you're talking combat knives, it works but there's a particular reason shivs are better for toxin build

the special also has a toxin throwing knife

[dreamy portal]

Reckon they might ever add marks to the stub pistols and auto pistols?

[mighty belfry]

so you can throw a knife at bigger target, wail at them and hit crits to stack the dots to kill them faster

[bronze glade]

i doubt adding more content for DLC weapons is high on the list of priorities

[dreamy portal]

Could be a future thing at least, right?

[exotic temple]

Not right now but down the line I’d hope all the scum weapons got another mark

[dreamy portal]

Also i just noticed scum doesn't have access to any shovels.

[exotic temple]

If I could get a stub pistol that fired slower but did more damage and had higher cleave I’d be all about that

[bronze glade]

shovel's an exclusive weapon to vet after all

[bronze glade]

give me stub deagles

[exotic temple]

That’s exactly what I was thinking

[dreamy portal]

No, i know for sure psyker, zealout and ogryn all have access to shovels. I think arbites too but i'm not sure.

[exotic temple]

Dual shovels when

[candid flare]

Christian arms made a pistol version of their 4 Bore Rifle

[exotic temple]

Just incase you didn’t hate your wrist enough

[lapis raft]

doesnt everyone get shovel in the tutorial, not very exclusive :d

[dreamy portal]

Ok, so arbites has no shovel either. So how are they to bury their brutality victoms?

[dawn portal]

Does Hive Scum not getting shovel mean they surface shit?

[candid flare]

Crusher maul special makes craters to fill

[candid flare]

They wear it

[dawn portal]

ah yes, camoflage for the Torrent

[dreamy portal]

Ok, i though vet had 2 shovel options 1 with more marks, but i guess there's just something like 2 flip shovels and 1 non-flip.

[tender marten]

the O.G. versus the wannabes

[dreamy portal]

Now i coulda sworn psyker had access to shovel.

[tight musk]

I think everyone gets shovel during the tutorial and then it's vet only.

If I'm not mistaken.

[fast wind]

it'd be funny if genestealers came up and we briefly work with the chaos guard to fight them

[dreamy portal]

Could be mistaken but i coulda sworn every class had access to the shovel than just ogryn and vet.

Cause now i'm lookin' at zealout.

Does scum also not get access to lasguns?

[candid flare]

They should

[tight musk]

Like I said, you get a shovel at the start of the prologue on all human classes, but for actual gameplay shovel is only on vet and Ogryn.

This is a video about psyker, and yet there it is, the shovel, which psyker doesn't have access to.

[candid flare]

Between caxe and shovel you have to two most perfect attack patterns In the game

Everyone should get both for basics

[bronze glade]

arbi and HIV do not like flashy lights

[bronze glade]

what makes you think they clean up after themselves

[dreamy portal]

Yeah, was noticing arby also doesn't get access to las guns.

[tight musk]

Imagine desperado scum if dual autopistols had Charmed Reload from Ogryn's twin-linked stubbers.

[exotic temple]

Although…..

Ogryn with a narsty pistol and an actual sword would be legit

I’d pay for those cosmetics

[dreamy portal]

Just saw the tactical cap lookin' at commodore's vestures.

Kinda looks outta place compared to everything else.

[candid flare]

Would be Hella dope

[tranquil berry]

We need ogryn gut shields

[dreamy portal]

Has every class been gettin' cosmetics to make 'em looks similar to hive gangers other than arbites?

[candid flare]

There is just the one set that released alongside scum iirc

[dreamy portal]

Plus some weapon skins

[candid flare]

Yes all the caution stripes

Me want

[sonic pasture]

is tac axe actually that good on this class? I'm having an awful fuckin time with it

[bronze glade]

it's good on literally every class that has it

are you running mk vii with headtaker and brumentum

with correct combos?

[sonic pasture]

it's it a case of like, I'm supposed to be using brutal momentum on it and if i don't it sucks forever?

[bronze glade]

unless you use mk iv, taxe reallllly wants brumentum

[sonic pasture]

I'll give it one more shot then, but so far I'm feeling pretty duped on it being the first thing I've made a 500 weapon on that isn't one of their class unique weapons

fuckin diamantine

combined with noone actually picking shit up on aurics

[obsidian crown]

I mean, it’s YOUR pickups

[sonic pasture]

if i have to go through every mission sweeping up after my 3 other hivescum teammates, who are already 500 miles ahead of me, looking for all the diamantine drops, I'm going to pop a blood vessel

it's gonna make me become evil

[obsidian crown]

Most veterans don’t bother anymore

Havoc exists

So you’ll have to pick up

That’s the reality

[sonic pasture]

I'd just rather not do havoc with randos. unfortunately I can't really convince any of my friends to redownload the game when the community at large is bitching about not getting a mechanicus class

[mighty belfry]

people are still doing this?

[obsidian crown]

I’m just saying. That’s why folks don’t pick them up. So you’re gonna have to

[sonic pasture]

well, it's more like said friends wanted a mechanicus class, and didn't get one

[dreamy portal]

So somehow i ended up gettin' the thief's harness.

[flat mist]

Just hit up all the crates on the main path and focus on winning without slowing down to loot every single corner and side path. It'll be quicker than getting that extra ~25% diamantine from laboriously searching for every pickup

[sonic pasture]

I might just end up playing a different class to get diamantine, then go back to hive scum when I'm flush with it

[flat mist]

Good idea. Less frustrating than playing with weapons you don't like or aren't fully upgraded bc you lack materials

Keep trying taxe tho man. I always don't like new weapons for awhile but usually they click after enough games

[dreamy portal]

how's he look?

[sonic pasture]

I was gonna say I still have achievements for hive scum, but all that's left is to complete 50 more missions, and that's more of a long term goal

[flat mist]

And if you like other fast weapons like knife or shivs tax should feel good for you at some point

[sonic pasture]

I usually just use the shivs, lately I've been using the other Mk of them because their heavy attacks are probably the closest I'm going to get to getting a fist weapon in this game

[livid raven]

mk1?

[sonic pasture]

if i squint reeaaaally really hard it's almost like I'm punching the bad guys

[vale garden]

Slashy shivs best shivs

[livid raven]

the mk3 shivs don't use their heavies

[vale garden]

Slashy shivs heavy is a good opener

Gives you a little movement boost

And good cleave

And once you've got buffs stacking you can use it to dash between groups and decapitate 3+ mooks in one hit

[dreamy portal]

Not a fan of the mk 3 shivs my self.

[livid raven]

you could do better with light spam

[vale garden]

Especially if youre running hyper critical

Light spam is for everything else

[dreamy portal]

Tried 'em and they felt a bit wierd to use.

[vale garden]

I use heavy almost exclusively as an opener. There's basically no reason not to

More damage, more cleave and a movement boost

Other than that yeah just lmb spam

And push stab combo for carapace

But usually I pull out the needler or the rpg for carapace

[sonic pasture]

I'll give tac axe another shot anyways, I remember liking it on Zealot

[spiral horizon]

the mk3 feels pointless to me when the mk1 exists

[vale garden]

Taxe should be good for scum, I've never liked it as a weapon tho

[spiral horizon]

taxe is cracked on scum, you'll have a good time

[vale garden]

Which one is which? Mk3 is slashy?

[spiral horizon]

yea mk3 is the slashy

[vale garden]

Slashy rules

[spiral horizon]

mk1 is the VT2 dual daggers

[vale garden]

If youre running hyper critical

[sonic pasture]

i just got done talking about how I was not having a good time with taxe lmao

[drifting heron]

Incan can you go blow up vet chat real quick

[spiral horizon]

have a good time instead

[vale garden]

I started using slashy for the heavy kill penance and now I prefer them

[sonic pasture]

[spiral horizon]

why would you ask me to expose myself to radiation like that

FOR FREE

[drifting heron]

Its your "Job"

[spiral horizon]

GAH

[mighty belfry]

a warden, must adhere to their duty

[tender marten]

its not for free its for our entertainment

[vale garden]

They definitely suffer against crushers and bulwarks, but better for mixed hordes

[mighty belfry]

heh heh

duty

[vale garden]

But the rocket, chem nade, stims or needler solve the ogryn problem anyway

So i like slashy

[spiral horizon]

this is why fatalist arb is relatable

[junior field]

God I love you anarchist

[charred bronze]

spec and mark? I fucking love the mk7 with rampage builds.

[sonic pasture]

I don't remember what the marks are ever. I remember really liking the brown one, but I got told by whoever to use the blue one instead.

[charred bronze]

The brown one that looks fancier? Third on the list? That's the mk7. Less good single target, significantly better horde clear. Unbuffed it's gonna feel meh, but once headtaker gets rolling, light spam pushes combat axe damage on crits. With Rampage going, you can start going hard against stuff like crushers.

The special attack staggers everything, and chains. You can use it to kill a rager in your face, or create an opening on a crusher (though they have an internal cooldown on being staggered). I've even stopped mutie charges with it, though it's ofc better to just get out of the way

the mk 4 is a middle ground between the mk 7 and the mk 1 shivs in my opinion

and is arguably a better weapon overall, but I have more fun being a braindead buzzsaw with the mk 7

[sonic pasture]

ok, now that i have the game open, I was using the mk iv, and the one I remember liking was the mk ii

so I guess I'll try the 7

[charred bronze]

what're your talents looking like?

[sonic pasture]

basic rampage build

I did opt to take blessed stims and long lasting, but I can swap those for whatever

[charred bronze]

this is how I have mine set up:

with brutal momentum, as long as you're generally making weakspot hits you don't really need the cleave talents

frees up points

[sonic pasture]

went for adrenaline frenzy instead of dependancy, because I don't want to remember to use the stim every time its off cd

I'd rather use the stim when I need it

[charred bronze]

I've recently been running a build that enables a TON of rampage uptime

melee cooldown stimm only

I like Hyper-Critical, lots of other people don't, so you can probably move that point somewhere else

[sonic pasture]

I've been running full attack speed stimm, since it's just a mini rampage

[charred bronze]

not worth compared to rampage imo, which contributes roughly twice as much dps in my casual screwing around, but do what feels good.

I slide a LOT, keeps me safe in crowds

and needler as a sidearm for specials and softening up crushers

[light phoenix]

Anyone use the other mark of the dual shivs?

[charred bronze]

the blinders are for dense packs of dangerous idiots and to get my cdr stimm back faster with sample collecter

and to open up bulwarks

[sonic pasture]

hmm... if I swap both of the stimm talents, I could go get hyper critical, that might help the taxe feel better too

[charred bronze]

I really like it. Try with and without, that point can float

I find I don't really need Nimble or Jittery, but those are good spots to put a point. Regained posture is good too, but I run stam regen on all three curios

sometimes

right now they're cdr x3, 2x gunner, 1x sniper. shit like that

Oh, I also find that running one 21% health curio with a 5% health perk along with your toughness curios improved my survival a lot

[tender marten]

the slashies?

[sonic pasture]

I've been running 3x gunner, bomber, and toughness curios, but I've been swapping the bomber one based on what fucks me over on a mission I fail

[vale garden]

Hyper critical slashy shivs go insane

Once you get those stacks you become a lawnmower

[lapis raft]

you mean hyperviolence for stacks right

but yea mk3 shivs are pretty nice

[vale garden]

Por que no los dos

[lapis raft]

you will just have to use needler a lot for crushers :d

but the clear is rly nice

[thorny ginkgo]

can i replace uncanny with flesh tearer on a chem depend crit build 😭

[vale garden]

Yeah crushers are the only issue really. Bulwarks too because of the wide attack arcs

[charred bronze]

I have bomber on one curio. I keep going back and forth on it, because I feel dumb every time I take a bunch of damage from a pool of fire I can't seem to slog out of

[vale garden]

But rpg or needler help. Tbh the shabby shivs are probably better for havoc

But I prefer slashy for everything else

Maybe stabby for certain maelstrom too

[sonic pasture]

while I was leveling, bombers felt like the antithesis of hive scum, so I got lots of protection from em now

[vale garden]

If there are a lot of crushers

[vale garden]

You shouldn't really need uncanny on rampage

Imo

[charred bronze]

@sonic pasture try that out, pop into the psychanium, build up some headtaker on trash, rampage and murder that mauler and his friends with a bunch of weakspot light spam

[shut tapir]

What is a good melee toxin/dot build any links? focused on auric maelstroms mostly

[thorny ginkgo]

im using stim crate

[vale garden]

Ahhh

Mb

[thorny ginkgo]

but only as a booby trap

[vale garden]

I still think id rather the finesse on dodge

[charred bronze]

once rampage is down, immediately pop cdr stimm, and nade some idiots. You'll have rampage back quite fast

[thorny ginkgo]

finesse affects attack speed and etc right

[vale garden]

And just needler down crushers

Nope

Finesse is crit and weakspot damage

Iirc

[thorny ginkgo]

ooh

ok bet

[vale garden]

Which is good on the shivs since they have built in extra finesse

Via the stat

[fast surge]

The finesse stat on weapons affects attack speed, but finesse otherwise is only Crit and weakspot damage

[thorny ginkgo]

i was going to replace uncanny with flesh tearer for more boss damage but i do pretty good aleady, i'll run riposte and the finesse blessing

[candid flare]

This what I do. With toughness on top of dcr to counteract exhaustion

[fast surge]

It's confusing I know

[vale garden]

Also extra base crit chance

[thorny ginkgo]

ah ok

perfect, thanks guys

[vale garden]

Oh true I didnt know that

[charred bronze]

dumb question: How can you tell whether a weapon or swing features finesse damage heavily?

[fast surge]

You can check the attack breakdowns when you inspect a weapon

[vale garden]

I think inspect is the only real way. The shivs have finesse as one of their 0-80% weapon stats though

[fast surge]

Look at the normal damage vs weakspot damage

[vale garden]

Which implies high finesse

[charred bronze]

ah, in the attack breakdowns

[vale garden]

Ye

[lapis raft]

booby trap is worst part about crate ngl

5s delay is brutal

[charred bronze]

still useful, thanks

[fast surge]

Different attacks can have their own finesse mods too btw

So worth checking the damage breakdowns of each attack

If you actually care that much

[charred bronze]

sometimes I do

[dim moth]

yeah if it was like 2 or even 3 seconds it'd be much more useful

[thorny ginkgo]

you think i should just run rampage?

that's the only reason i use the crate

[brittle sierra]

Crate is good

The problem is dependency

[lapis raft]

you can run crate for crate buffs

but yea booby trap no duration stimm is pretty bad ngl

[brittle sierra]

Crate also requires you to dip towards that side of the tree

So it heavily implies to use the cleaver

[thorny ginkgo]

i swapped frenzy to chem depend just for the crit chance per stack

this is on my rampage build though

[lapis raft]

yea chem dep rampage is good

[thorny ginkgo]

i want to get maxed out chems for 20% crit chance but idk what to drop for it, im running shivs

[lapis raft]

hypercritical and swift endurance

[brittle sierra]

Cleaver is also a mid weapon which makes the right side even harder to grab

[thorny ginkgo]

thx, i guess hyper crit isnt worth it

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[lapis raft]

well you can also drop hyperviolence instead

but yea no point in taking both

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

thanks

[brittle sierra]

I'm going to keep trying to see if I can make cleaver work

[lapis raft]

fixing the clunkyness is like so impossible on it :d

[thorny ginkgo]

i replaced uncanny with precog is that fine

[lapis raft]

even if you fix cleave you are still stuck with garbage mobility instead

uncanny is better than precog imo and its uptime is also way better

[shut tapir]

What do we think of https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0899344-c079-4375-86bf-f533e2ab74d3/big-doms-havoc-40-explosive-tox-scum

[thorny ginkgo]

i'd rather run rampage over crate but its nice

[ancient basin]

cryptic class found in the data mines, my bet is mechanicus adept lets go

[thorny ginkgo]

thoughts on running chem depend over vultures on a desperado build?

[dreamy portal]

now i just need some rip on the HEV suit

Need me a hostile environment suit.

I kinda wonder of the heretics feel fear seein' this nutjob just dartin' at 'em with whatever scrapyard items he has in hand.

Actually, just lookin' at him now would ya' even tell he's a ganger?

[mighty belfry]

Ya

[jovial thorn]

Oh Palz….new class nickname just dropped called: “CRYPTIC”
https://youtu.be/2qPQIhuktxk?si=AVGwDhxPHh2wZI5F

[candid flare]

It's a bait

[jovial thorn]

Tech-boi Enjoyers bring in up the Hopeium⁉️

[candid flare]

It's gonna be 3 Ratlings in a trenchcoat

[subtle yacht]

What's the best Curios combo:

1. Toughness x3
2. Toughness x2 + Max Stamina x1
3. Toughness x2 + Health x1
4. Toughness x1 + Max Stamina x1 + Health x1 ?

[low harbor]

All 3 work fine, choose based on preference

[thorny ginkgo]

vrak IAG or dual autopistols for desperado? i've been getting way more kills with vrak

[limber cradle]

Use whichever you prefer

[low harbor]

Vraks 5 is the best gun for hvs

[thorny ginkgo]

that gun is cracked

[limber cradle]

DAPs feel better for me

[low harbor]

But dual autos are pretty cool

[subtle yacht]

Just added another 😄

[candid flare]

I will never use anything other than dual stubs or needler bc of vibe

[subtle yacht]

Also, is stamina regen good for this character ?

[limber cradle]

Tbh I like the mobility the DAPs have more than the damage the Vraks has

[low harbor]

Deathspitter over fire frenzy
Also consider ammo dump for this gun

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[candid flare]

Base Stam regen us pretty good so not a necessity but if you like it take it

[fast surge]

Stam Regen is nice if you go rampage

Helps mitigate the downside

[low harbor]

U can refer to my guide here
#veteran-class message

[fast surge]

Otherwise not really worth because scum Regen is already amazing

[thorny ginkgo]

thx

[thorny ginkgo]

whats ur fav build for vet

[low harbor]

I put several in the guide

[grave venture]

Oblivion 🗿

https://tenor.com/view/thundercock-officer-bodycam-off-chad-thundercock-jarik-gif-5545953348826508263

[wind crane]

does damage do anything for needle gun?

[dim moth]

nope

[wind crane]

hm saw a really good player dump stability on needle gun

thought it was weird

[dim moth]

stability also does nothing

stpping power also does nothing

[wind crane]

yea i guess its one of those

stability tho?

i mean you do shoot multiple needles sometimes

i guess rarely longer ranges

[dreamy portal]

damn, first time the game crashed in a while and i think i'm the cause for once.

[vague kayak]

i dump damage, it only affects the initial needle hit not the damage over time so it’s not important

[fickle spruce]

What's the attack patterns to learn for Bone Saw. it just feels awkward to use/figure out.

[ancient basin]

just heard a voice line in the trench mission from hadron lamenting the fact that inquisitor grendel hasn't requisitioned skitari yet. max copium go

[fickle spruce]

PA -> Light attack seems good for killing specials.

[supple torrent]

W+m1

How much would you value maxed out chems vs float likea butterfly?

On a desperado gun scum build that dips into melee?

[flat mist]

Stopping power gives you stagger

[ancient basin]

what gun and melee are you using on gun scum

[vague kayak]

has to be uzis and shivs

[supple torrent]

yeah its that

[jaunty coral]

Ok can someone explain the uzi build to me? i keep hearing its infinite ammo, but i run out of ammo lmao.
am i only supposed to shoot if ult is up?

maybe its just not my playstyle

[vague kayak]

theres an infinite ammo node

[jaunty coral]

it just feels so much worse than rampage to me

[vague kayak]

just above the keystone

[jaunty coral]

i copied a build and it uses the right keystone + left ult

[supple torrent]

bottom left

[ancient basin]

max chems would give 5% crit, 5% toughness DR, and 10% CDR vs 20% crit

[jaunty coral]

ya i have itr

ok it just keeps you at 20% thats why

[vague kayak]

if you have less than 20% ammo, killing an elite or higher sends you back to 20%

[jaunty coral]

i was getting worried i was low

i see now

[ancient basin]

so more deperado uptime or more overall crits, which you already blender pretty hard with the dual autos

[vague kayak]

honestly i don’t even get low enough with the uzis to notice it

[flat mist]

It's a good idea to read all of the talents offered to your class

[ancient basin]

pick pocket works on any kill too, so you can have no ammo left, get a melee special/elite kill, and boom free ammo

[jaunty coral]

lmao sure, but i was playing melee version for a while and just copied something and swapped over]

i just didnt realize it kept me at 20%

makes sense tho

[vague kayak]

i have my stim fully into ability cool-down + ability cool-down on melee kills

so after you leave desperado just shank a few chaff and you have it back in a few seconds

[trim wind]

also just desperado anytime there's combat

don't save it

keeps you firing and the more you kill the longer it lasts

but yea you should basically always be shooting, rarely melee

[supple torrent]

Thats the thing I can't really tell the difference in moment to moment gameplay. It's been driving me nuts all week. I do value desperado more but its shaving of like idk 4 seconds of cd?

So its why I'm checking for another opinion on it.

[trim wind]

i dont care for chem dependancy if that's what's being talked about

[vague kayak]

i really hope they add reloading while sprinting as a base trait for the class, like how vet is immune to suppression

[flat mist]

The best despacito scum I've played with did 1.2 mill damage one game with only 17k melee lmao.

[trim wind]

yea that sounds right!

[flat mist]

It was despo scum + 3 players on crusher patrol, honestly a horrificly unfun game aside from the high level of meme-ery

[fickle spruce]

Between Stim Lab and Chem dependency you can get like 80+% CDR (more depending on if you take the bonus CDR on melee/ranged kills).

Base Cooldown of Enhanced Desparado is 45 seconds. 20% of 45 = 9 second cooldown. You can get it lower with other talents (like Focused Resolve)

[low harbor]

neither stim nor dependency are CD reduction

both are CD rate

[supple torrent]

^ been going crazy since nobody seems to notice this

[fiery palm]

shooty hivescum is pretty OP but melee hivescum just makes me wish I was playing zealot or psyker. it's not bad by any stretch but nothing about melee scum makes me go awooga that was fun.

I feel like shooty hivescum also works really well with either vulture or dependancy keystone like basically dealer's choice there

[supple torrent]

I like Rampage.

[fickle spruce]

Okay so then it becomes 45/1.8? That's still 25 seconds. Not bad.

[low harbor]

it's ok

[supple torrent]

However I wish forge's bellow was bake dinto the abse skill

[fickle spruce]

Does CD start while Desparado is still active? Or only after it ends?

[last marsh]

tried out combat knife w rampage and chem dependency

woof

i do miss cleaving ragers w heavy sword though

[low harbor]

after desperado/rampage duration expire

[last marsh]

combat knife can def handle ragers well but its a bit more of a bob and weave approach

[flat mist]

To be fair its arbitrary what the correct terminology is given that chem dep says "ability cooldown reduction"

[last marsh]

heavy sword just does heavy attack