hivescum-class

[blazing cove]

I think its an example of where the line is, imo

[main trellis]

Imagine having massive messages on screen & still sucking dick in a game

Many ppl use such mods to crutch but no mod can fix a pepega

[blazing cove]

Id say if you can suck dick and play then youre very talented

[vast ferry]

most trappers that actually gets you are doing it at point blank from behind, dodging doesn't do much there 😒

[manic wolf]

There should have been a feature built in from the devs for those with hearing impairments, but I dont think a directional pointer telling you which way stuff is threatening your from is the way to go about it.

If you have a trapper you cannot see, even if you hear the audio cue, you have less than 20% odds of dodging in the right direction, with the mod, you can always dodge in the correct direction, that is kinda by default a massive advantage because even when audiocues do play in vanilla, thier directional elements are not all that good and can be difficult to pinpoint an exact direction. Idk man, a warning is fine, but it giving you a free pass in situations that a player without it wont get, not so much

[main trellis]

Skittari, spidey sense, danger sense, auto clicker/dodger - all a symbol of a pepega gamer

[torn ember]

I'm actually glad that Spidey Sense exists as an accessibility feature for the directional stuff, and honestly if you turn all the directional stuff on it's just going to show you a solid circle at higher difficulties
Still think the stupid text pop-ups should be more integrated into the existing UI

[main trellis]

If deaf then its ok to use spidey
Otherwise you need to do better

[torn ember]

The audio having issues is also something they should fix

[blazing cove]

I do see what you're saying, and also wish the devs included an accessibilty option. But its rare tbh

I also just don't think its a 100% clear thing. If you use it, it really isnt that flawless

[torn ember]

In theory spidey sense shouldn't confer that much of an advantage because you can just hear which direction the Trapper is in, but in practice it's uh... well

[vast ferry]

sometimes the backstab sound glitches out and plays nonstop

[main trellis]

I lost a game yesterday cause the gate at dark communion still muffles bursters

[vast ferry]

those are real paranoia moments

[manic wolf]

Yeah, they should fix it, though its highly doubtful they even can at this point because this has been a consistent issue over years of patches and fix attempts

[pallid quail]

maybe not spawning 3-4 of every special every 5 seconds might alleviate it

[blazing cove]

Its in synch with the audio warming, it really is just a visual version of the same warning. Not a massive beacon indicator

I dunno. I do agree its a debatable one lol

[torn ember]

I actually might reinstall it and just put on the Trapper/Cleave radial notifications to prevent good ole Mr. Stealth Crusher

But it's going to be a heavy internal debate

I really don't like cluttering up my screen

[radiant swift]

(they should just make both it and the keep swinging/full auto mods into accessibility settings)

[manic wolf]

Honestly, I'd rather eat the odd stray overhead or get netted. Full Auto is where I draw the line for stuff that changes gameplay, an thats purely because I don't want to be physically punished for playing lasguns or laspistol

[torn ember]

Shivs + Adrenaline + Rampage Carpal Tunnel Any% Speedrun Glitchless

[manic wolf]

Ehh, i don't find it to be as egregious with melee weapons because typically you're varying your attack patterns, you're not making the exact same motion 100 times in a row

[blazing cove]

It funny cos i find the full auto one "worse" but dont really mind others using it

[manic wolf]

That is a very strange take

[blazing cove]

I guess im biased 👂🏼

[manic wolf]

Directional visual indicators vs what amounts to an autoclicker that does literally nothing you can't do with your hand are on totally different levels lul

[blazing cove]

I think it gives you up levelled input control I guess? I think its in the realm of ok to use. I just dont suffer with the clicking I guess.

I hate the auto charge ones too. Personally I mean. I like the control

I mean, one does exactly what sn audio cue does but for your eyes, and the other clicks buttons for you

(Im not against it, just comparing it)

[main trellis]

Or turn around ever so often

[manic wolf]

Yeah I mean... this is kinda the solution for poor audio cues. Its not 100% infallible, but if you're prone to tunnel visioning, well, you're gonna get snuck up on

[torn ember]

oh I do but they are tricky bastards who hide behind closed doors or around corners, then cha-cha real smooth

[blazing cove]

Well yeah, its how I play Vermintide. Its annoying though, constantly whirling like a paranoid madman. But again, im deaf, so skewed perspective

[main trellis]

Simple solution; don’t play around doors/corners
Ez

[last kelp]

so are we not getting more preem cosmetics for scum? 🥺

[main trellis]

Don’t just hug the wall, create distance so you can see

[abstract lichen]

Hope your back doesn't have a spawning door/wall/waterfall

[keen timber]

We probably will

[main trellis]

Of all things arby needs more than scum

[keen timber]

The lack of a hearing impaired accessibility in a game where audio cues are so important is a bit naff

[keen timber]

Yeah but their hands are tied on that

[last kelp]

incorrect, go kark yourself, copper

[manic wolf]

Not really, because audiocues are inconsistent. Darktide isnt a game with loads of verticality, erefore SS provides you an always on directional advantage, it doesnt matter if it doesnt do vertical elements, because they're all but never present, and even less impactful when it comes to dodge direction. If a sniper or trapper is on a raised bit of terrain, the dodge angles are pretty much identical to what they would be on flat ground. An autoclicker is not even remotely in the same realm. In fact, its pretty disengenuous to infer that it is when it provides no advantage over someone that isnt using it in gameplay contexts

[vast ferry]

sloptide addiction strikes again

[echo python]

We'll see what happens once they start doing patches and hotfixes again, but for now no.

[torn ember]

I would love some Death Maiden cosmetics

[main trellis]

Don’t i know it… its hard to make a drip for arby… if you have many builds that is (5)

[last kelp]

I too would love some Escher themed cosmetics but idk since its a very monogendered aesthetic and we dont currently have an option for femboy males

[echo python]

I doubt we're getting anything close to that

[main trellis]

What are these cuties?

[vast ferry]

that looks..chaos

[torn ember]

They aren't, they're House Escher Death Maidens

[manic wolf]

Yeah, was about to say, looks heretical 😄

[keen timber]

It looks chaos or drukhari

Maybe not spikey enough for deldar

[torn ember]

More on the level of Imperium Death Cults

[main trellis]

Ye i like em… i like em

[manic wolf]

I had to double take on the right hand model, thought she had hooves

[keen timber]

Oh yeah I could see death cult

[main trellis]

EVEN BETTER

[manic wolf]

Alright, wind yourself down, rule34 is a few clicks away

[echo python]

With how wide the hive scum idea is, there's a ton of stuff they could look at

I'm hoping for malifixer stuff at some point

[main trellis]

I’m at work apologies

[torn ember]

Death Maidens are dead House Escher hive scum that have been resurrected by Alchemy to keep fighting in Necromunda

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[manic wolf]

There was so much good shit in the concept art. It'd be nice if some of that makes its way in

[torn ember]

Because Hive Scum lore is wild

[manic wolf]

We all want the Necromunda drip too 😄

[main trellis]

Don’t look at me like that!
I’m the OG behind ‚Trapper GF’ arc

[keen timber]

That’s heresy.

[main trellis]

HS can use a flamer… maybe a new mark? Tox flamer

[manic wolf]

She's outta line... but she's right. That is indeed heresy

[torn ember]

No, no, no warp-fuckery here, just good old fashioned turbo-drugs

[manic wolf]

A one handed type flamer or a chem sprayer would make sense for Scum, but in the latter case they would probably need to tone down the Tox DoT a bit

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[torn ember]

Now that dual weapons have been added I really want to see dual hand flamers for the Zealot.
... Not really sure how they'd be different from the regular flamer, but I need it

[main trellis]

Yeah forgot to add that; once they nerf tox dot adm it will be fine
Otherwise OP AF

[manic wolf]

It would be pretty cool tbf

[torn ember]

Dual Laspistols for Vet to complete the Creed cosplay would also be cool

[manic wolf]

I wouldnt imagine thats particularly high on the priority list vs other tweaks, but its certainly expected in the long run

[main trellis]

I’m miffed that some weapons are not on other classes…

[manic wolf]

Nah, Laspistol has the only good gun push in the game lol

[torn ember]

As for a chem toxin sprayer I think it'd be fine as long as they limit its ammo to make sure you can't just spray it around willy-nilly like- oh right pickpocket

[main trellis]

• its broken cause it lingers

[keen timber]

This doesn’t make it any less heresy

[manic wolf]

(Thats gonna get sledgehammered at somepoint) lul

[main trellis]

Make pickpocket a subnode for desperado - it will be balanced that way cause now its just broken

[manic wolf]

Idk about broken, but it makes it actually useful rather than just being for pushing Bursters in Exe

[main trellis]

And remove that dogshit 5s off cd subnode that is… not great…

[manic wolf]

Give it a 30s ICD and have it only proc on melee kills, and move it to where Vulture's Dodge is now, and delete that node entirely

[keen timber]

idk if it will

[torn ember]

I'm okay with Pickpocket being broken because the class is kinda balanced around it; you don't get many ranged damage increases, just tons of ammo and reload speed

[main trellis]

Keystone specific? Thats another option - similar to mine

[torn ember]

The class is designed to mag-dump

(except Needle Pistol but that's... different)

[keen timber]

yeah i dont think pickpocket is really that op in all honesty?

it's powerful but desperado exists anyway

[torn ember]

I mean it'd be completely broken on Vet, but that's why Vet doesn't get it

[manic wolf]

It will, infinite ammo was kinda always supposed to be Vet's thing, an even that has been nerfed multiple times. Pickpocket is fine in concept, but proccing on ranged and not having an ICD is not very good for balance

[torn ember]

Infinite Ammo vet has to be nerfed because Vet gets access to the Plasma Gun

[main trellis]

not many range dmg increases
Mah man… do i have to list ya stuff?

[manic wolf]

It also single handedly invalidates the Gunslinger Aura

[main trellis]

Its for the team primarily

[torn ember]

Compared to Vet, yeah.

[manic wolf]

In theory, but in actuality noone is gonna take it over 5% crit chance or 10% melee

The numbers are just so against it

10% of any ammo you pick up, which the majority of the time are gonna be tins, not bags, relies on coherency aswell, so you're drip feeding your teammates one or two rounds on many weapons, if they're in coherency at the time you pick it up

[torn ember]

It's not ammo you pick up, it's ammo anyone picks up

[main trellis]

I dunno man; 10% melee is imo the worst aura
Gunslinger is perfect for filling ammo on the fly together with survivalist
Crit is obvious
Melee dmg… not substantial…

[manic wolf]

It's 10% of ammo that gets picked up, and needs you to be in coherency to proc

Its just not substantial enough to be worth it

[manic wolf]

Melee damage is damage though, effectively so is crit chance, they'er gonna be more relevant over the course of a game in terms of impact

[torn ember]

I'm alright picking it up on Desperado because well I've already got like 60% crit anyways and helping the team with their ammo means more for me

[manic wolf]

Its not good damage, but its damage nonetheless

[main trellis]

I mean you stick together… and if you have comms & go specific routs to scavenge you benefit from it greatly
But what do i know about strategies am i right?

[torn ember]

Though it gets worse as you go up in difficulty because less ammo drops

Great for Heresy/Damnation where your team is wasting tons of ammo

[main trellis]

Yeah
Next thing you say taking fireteam for vet is a good idea

[manic wolf]

Yeahhhhh.. as soon as you start trying to blow up your own ego im gonna start ignoring you

[main trellis]

Jk

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. thats my bugbear with Gunslinger. The higher up the chain you go, the less impact it has

Wow, I fed my teammate 1 round at a time, veri impactful

[torn ember]

Eh I think it's fine, the opportunity cost doesn't exist for switching auras and giving other classes access to even more ammo is a pandora's box they might not want to open. So you can switch to the other nodes for Havoc and let the ammo node stick around for when you're leveling

[main trellis]

Opinions, opinions - consider every posibility… unless you just rush through the map cause ‚ugh 45+ min games are bad ugh’

[main trellis]

Makes them not take ammo from you or others that use it more due to their builds

[manic wolf]

Yeah, I suppose its fine for levelling, but then there is the opposite issue with Pickpocket; it scales way too fuckin hard with density

[torn ember]

To be fair it was advertised as "infinite ammo" and well that's exactly what it does

[manic wolf]

Tbh, If I had any say in the matter any form of ammo regen would be hard nuked out the game, but that, sadly, wont happen

[torn ember]

If they wanted to balance it then IMO they should reduce the total ammo of the Needle Pistol

So it gives less ammo back

[manic wolf]

Indeed, an I do think they'll have to change it because a good Gunscum is just Psyker, but with higher DPS

[torn ember]

Because the Needle Pistol is the only weapon I really abuse it with

With dual autos/pistols I feel like the weapons wouldn't really work if you had to constantly worry about ammo

[manic wolf]

That... is strange to me im not gonna lie because Needler is like one of the most ammo efficient weapons in teh game

[main trellis]

Less cleave too but… ye insane

[torn ember]

Blue mode, spray into hordes, don't care because you tagged a gunner and got back twenty more shots

[manic wolf]

Yesnt, its more that cleave is just kinda a non-factor when you're killing each row of enemies almost instantly. Sure, Purgatus does have infinite cleave, but it at least has some element of ramp-up, a gun doesnt, you just click the button and heretics fall over

[torn ember]

I'm fine with it as a specialist/elite sniper; the ability to spray and pray with blue mode should probably be toned down a bit

[main trellis]

Pickpocket is a problem being available to every build
Make it a desperado subnode or like Stimm boi said; vultures keystone subnode

[manic wolf]

Would expect the Tox DoT to get dialed back a bit at somepoint, as mentioned earlier, that might curb it a little bit

[main trellis]

Cleave will matter if you face alot of armour; gunzerker is basically more concentrated dps while purg is more spread out & overpenetrating

[torn ember]

See I don't really find it to be that problematic on builds other than the Needle Pistol, because I'm simply not using my ranged weapon that much on other builds. I'm not running out of ammo on a Revolver that I'm using to special-snipe, and while it does help with dual pistol ammo I could fix that problem by... not using dual pistols. But I want to use dual pistols. And they feel balanced around pickpocket.

[manic wolf]

Kinda? Though Scum isnt exactly short on ways to manage armour walls, you got RPG, surstromming tins and can invest into melee enough they're a non issue

[main trellis]

Imagine DoT doing 0.9 adm; what were they thinking…
Next best one is bleed and that one has… 0.25 adm… puts shit to perspective

[torn ember]

surstromming tins
glorious

[main trellis]

Purg is infinite tho; apart from blinders your nades are finite

Thats the point

[manic wolf]

I get the impression that Scum was pushed out with very little testing to make the most out of the christmas period. There is a lot of good stuff, like its melee builds are great, but ranged builds are kinda gamebreaking at the moment and Tox is way stronger than it has any right to be

[main trellis]

Omg… thats golden

[main trellis]

Majority of ppl tho do use needler… in combonation with busted adm… yeah

[manic wolf]

True, though noone in their right mind thinks Purgatus is in a good place either, but the issue with ranged weapons having infinite access kinda remains even factoring in that

[manic wolf]

I dont tbh

Because it doesnt go bang

Or turn heretics into soup (yes, I know, Ork, shuddup about it)

[torn ember]

Hence my suggestion to turn down the ammo on the Needle Pistol. Maybe in combination with a reduction of Pickpocket to like 15%. Make it so you don't get back three full reloads from a single elite/specialist kill.

[torn ember]

Well... it does if you use the other Mark

[main trellis]

Me neither; i like shot dead the moment i aim at it
The squirming i leave for when i return from the mission with my playthings…

[manic wolf]

Not like a boltround to the torso

[torn ember]

Not instantly

but they certainly explode all the same

[manic wolf]

Exactly 😄

Tbh on melee Scum I like the AoE Boltpistol, not only does it go bang and make a good noise, its also like having 70 budget blinders

[torn ember]

... does Puncture apply to Blinders?

[manic wolf]

Dont think so, Lethal Prox does tho

[torn ember]

that's fun

[manic wolf]

Good if you have Blinders and Pocket Tox

[main trellis]

8m radius if i recall correctly

[manic wolf]

Idk the numbers on it, but its noticeable

[main trellis]

~6m without, 8m with LP

Hard to check on rockets tho… they push enemies aside alot…

[manic wolf]

I dont notice it having as much of an impact on that tbh, I've been told it does, but usually all the stuff you want to kill with it would die regardless

[main trellis]

Funny that the drop animation counts as an attack and can be sped up with att spd from cartel stimm

[main trellis]

Its a bonus

I guess since it increases epicenter radius too it basically increases the dmg on wide open areas + stagger if not dead on the outskirts of the explosion

[tight musk]

If you hit an enemy directly with the grenade while holding the bolt pistol, I think it will apply to that one enemy.

[torn ember]

[tight musk]

You can easily test it in the meat grinder.

[main trellis]

Does grenade have actual impact of the projectile itself or just vanishes?

[torn ember]

I would test but I’m at work

[main trellis]

Me 2

[dim moth]

blinder slightly bounces off of whatever surface it hits so yes it would hit them

[tight musk]

Dealing insane bleed damage with blinders and puncture.

[radiant swift]

woag

[torn ember]

omg new meta

[unique dagger]

I don't think nuking pickpocket is the way to go, imo it needs a heavy cd on it

[torn ember]

I think giving it a heavy cd is nuking it

[main trellis]

Or put it as a desperado subnode/vultures keystone subnode

[unique dagger]

that can also work yes

[torn ember]

Vulture keystone subnode I could potentially see

[radiant swift]

maybe a bit of both, with a rather short cd

[torn ember]

Replace the push one maybe

But honestly I don't really think it needs to get hit

A lot of Havoc scum builds don't even take it

[main trellis]

There are alot of dogshit talents… zealot has the most

[neon fern]

desperado needs to get hit

[unique dagger]

If you are building a competent havoc build you should have pickpocket

infinite ammo is goated to have on any build

[torn ember]

I agree but Tanner/Reginald/Mr E/etc don't necessarily

Lots of scum builds coming from those guys without it

[unique dagger]

everyone is entitled on their own opinion, me included

having pickpocket eliminates having any downtime

[torn ember]

disclaimer: I don't remember exactly who put up which build so take my statement with a grain of salt

[north meteor]

Mr E we don't follow bc he sucks. Tanner we don't follow because his personality sucks

[wind crane]

can i parry a crusher overhead at havoc 36?

[compact oyster]

both make questionable builds

pickpocket is just guaranteed infinite ammo

[unique dagger]

I trust in my own experience, I'm pretty good at the game

[unreal stirrup]

hive scum main gonna cry when it inevitably get nerfed

[torn ember]

It is, and most of the class feels balanced around that fact.
... except for the Needle Pistol

[main trellis]

I don’t use it outside desperado - pickpocket teaches bad habbits

[compact oyster]

not really

[unreal stirrup]

same for toxin

[compact oyster]

you can do fine with running desperado

the class isnt balanced around pickpocket

[unique dagger]

it %100 does, but having %100 uptime on your ranged weapon is goated for any rampage / stim crate build

[torn ember]

I meant infinite ammo, not pickpocket specifically

[unique dagger]

especially for needle pistol

[torn ember]

the method to attain it doesn't matter

[unreal stirrup]

why would you want 100% pick pocket uptime on rampage build

😭

like use needler

[north meteor]

I only use needle pistol to snipe, empty a mag into a boss, or alt fire when I need to clutch

[unreal stirrup]

you never run out of ammo

[unique dagger]

you don't need %100 pickpocket uptime on rampage build, you just have %100 uptime when you dont have rampage

[north meteor]

I don't need pickpocket to do that

[main trellis]

I did not had problems with ammo - micromanaging is a learnable skill

[compact oyster]

the autopistols and stub pistols eat ammo yes but you also have several ways to increase the damage of your ranged weapons to reduce ammo consumption

[unique dagger]

fuck micromanaging, shoot everything on sight

[compact oyster]

but in havoc if you want to go fully ranged desperado or pickpocket are necessary

[torn ember]

Not as many as other classes; Hive Scum seems balanced around the fact that you use more bullets but you have more bullets

[main trellis]

Despy i understand; you shoot & shoot &… shoot

[unreal stirrup]

nothing is balanced around infinite ammo

[torn ember]

Electro staff

[north meteor]

still doesn't count bc its not ammo

[unreal stirrup]

surge staff being shit doesn't mean infinite ammo is balanced

[unique dagger]

game is a lot easier when everything has 30 stacks of toxin on it

[winter galleon]

Idk i feel like without pickpocket then on havox will become an ammo hog unless go chem dependancy and play more hybrid and melee a lot when dont have desperado up. It certainly is strong and unnecessary but i think ranged build will make people angry for ammo hogging without it

[main trellis]

Also not shit just underused/overshadowed

[torn ember]

The only thing "wrong" with pickpocket is it lets you spam certain ranged weapons (Needle Pistol) on builds that don't build into Desperado

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think i have a single h40 clear with surge/voidstrike

[unique dagger]

voidstrike is actually pretty decent with melee psyker

[torn ember]

I think maybe a reduction in the Needle Pistol's ammo combined with a light nerf to Pickpocket, maybe to 15% or so, might be all that's really warranted

[unique dagger]

from my own duo experience

but you kinda need the cleave talent

[main trellis]

Thats cause you purg slave away at your psyker gaming

[unreal stirrup]

needler is already kind of specialist sniping weapon anyway

[torn ember]

You can totally just put it on blue mode and spam it though

[main trellis]

Boollass staff

[torn ember]

If you tag a single gunner bam that's twenty shots back

[unique dagger]

I cast balls

[torn ember]

That's absurd

[main trellis]

More like crowd/armor/boss deleter than special sniper; does not kill/stagger outright so flamer will still flame & trapper will still trap

[unique dagger]

this might sound really wrong, but I was having a lot of success with true aim + disrupt destiny + scriers melee psyker

[compact oyster]

actualy you can quite easily turn needler into a mixed hordeclear mulcher

[unique dagger]

with voidstrike

[main trellis]

Old but gold

[rancid coral]

Most of its Havoc power comes from needle/pickpocket tho

[torn ember]

Infinite ammo autos/duallies/autogun/whatever is fine, let the people spray into crowds, sure, but using 1 shot to get back 20 on a gun that can kill crushers in less than a mag is a problem

[main trellis]

Meanwhile i run around with mk1 dclaw & slice shit & be outdamaged/performed by gunzerker HS

[torn ember]

So hit the needle pistol's ammo and IMO it's fine

[main trellis]

Not using a needler btw

[unique dagger]

I respect anyone using dclaw on havoc

[rancid coral]

So make more people dependant on pickpocket? I'd rather they just nerf pickpocket...

[torn ember]

The class is heavily designed around it already for things like dual autos/pistols

You can use Desperado instead, sure, but that restricts those weapons to a single ability

[random shuttle]

AHAHAHA

I knew it

My GLORIOUS WATER CARTEL

I so much better than your shiddy gangs 😏

[unique dagger]

water cartel my beloved

[torn ember]

Purple gang

[unique dagger]

where my hydrohomies at

[main trellis]

I also use SC & hammerblow with it; its funny to deal up to +1k dmg to a crusher & stagger them out of overheads while putting maulers on the ground… with a fking Dclaw

[unique dagger]

it is funny that people are not realising how good hammerblow is on that weapon

crazy stagger bps man

[random shuttle]

Bro

[main trellis]

On ANY weapon that can have it

[random shuttle]

Broseph

Brozilion

my ultimate Mk1 Claw

had both Stagger Blessings

[unique dagger]

the only one I'm not running it on is shield

[random shuttle]

It was my Whipple Stick

[unique dagger]

I prefer last guard

[torn ember]

Oh Dclaw gurus, please enlighten me

[random shuttle]

My 'shove and be someone elses problem' stick

[torn ember]

How 2 build dclaw

I haven't touched it since uh... beta

[main trellis]

Try it; i used last guard before but hammerblow is soo much better

[random shuttle]

I Laugh and MOCK the veterans dying to 2 ragers

when my shitty Dclaw could topple them with 2 hits

[unique dagger]

I'll retry it for sure

[main trellis]

Bruhzilion

[unique dagger]

I had the legendary stagger stacking thunderhammer bro

[random shuttle]

I remember @toxic dagger was questioning my method but then had to agree that I wasn't getting hit so

the Whipple Dclaw works

[main trellis]

Its nice

[unique dagger]

does barely any damage but very fun lmao xDD

[main trellis]

Ragers are not a problem but if you use charge its redundant

[random shuttle]

Damage is for teammates to do

I just want to keep enemies away!

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-sunny-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-devito-gif-6070683544899901781

[unique dagger]

For me, dclaw is extremely annoying because of one simple fact: I am not a patient man, I hate waiting for enemies to attack me

[main trellis]

I just use hammerblow; SC for extra dmg cause SC is broken

[main trellis]

Spam mk1 lights on rampage HS; you’ll see some shit

[random shuttle]

This is me with my Double Stagger Dclaw:

[main trellis]

Infinite rampage uptime

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-purse-i-dont-know-you-kick-gif-12969519

[main trellis]

Good stagger

Good cleave

Good single target dmg

[unique dagger]

I was testing the tacaxe 4 skitarus macro with rampage to see how long I can hold it in psykhanium, takes a long ass time lmao

[random shuttle]

But as an elevated, luminous, enlightened Darktide Player

[main trellis]

Parry goat vs bosses

[random shuttle]

I also play Bleed+Fire Ripper Ogryn Weapon Speshulist

[main trellis]

Skittari YIKES

[unique dagger]

I like testing the limits of the game with that broken shit

hopefully a fix soon

[random shuttle]

Brother in Emprah

its 19 of December

We won't see FS until March

[toxic dagger]

So fucking dumb. And yet

[tender forge]

If it works it works

[main trellis]

Try it on HS rampage

You won’t regret it

[torn ember]

For Posterity could you post the details of your dclaw I want to try it later

[toxic dagger]

Try what on HS rampage?

[main trellis]

Mk1 Dclaw with SC & Hammerblow

[toxic dagger]

Wtf

[main trellis]

You spam like you usually do with your Oggy

[torn ember]

what perks?

Flakiac?

[random shuttle]

Let me launch Dorktide to see if I have it there

[main trellis]

Crit chance & carapace

[torn ember]

... really?

[unique dagger]

I've been rocking this stim with my rampage

[main trellis]

Ye; you need cara dmg & dclaw is a finesse weapon

[torn ember]

... huh. fascinating.

[unique dagger]

you lose 6 seconds over a full cdr stim but it has decent buffs for when you need to spam it to keep chemical dependency

[main trellis]

I found out that cdr on melee/range is worse than 25%

[unique dagger]

why would that be tho

[main trellis]

The toughness path is redundant; save your time on stimm

[main trellis]

Faster cdr overtime

[tender forge]

4% damage res

[main trellis]

Simple

[unique dagger]

doesnt sound right, should still be a %50 difference as long as you are killing shit

[random shuttle]

This is my Dclaw

[main trellis]

Literally off 1 blessing

[torn ember]

[tender forge]

Discord making double taps auto emote a thumbs up is dumb (phone)

[main trellis]

Cause SC is too good

[random shuttle]

Nu uh it's perfect||ly dumb||

[main trellis]

Also try getting 75%+ mobility Dclaw

[tender forge]

Why only 470 power

[unique dagger]

2 seconds doesn't matter too much to my gameplay really so I'll keep the %4 dr

[tender forge]

I prefer full damage roid stims

[torn ember]

Stim Cooldown is a myth anyways thanks to sample collector

[main trellis]

Many ppl said the same & then they ate dirt for supper

[random shuttle]

I mean

I get it

I understand the logic

[tender forge]

Its so satisfying being able to delete crushers with gun

[random shuttle]

big impact = Easy Scrusher

I understand

but

considering this

Why not

[unique dagger]

ay good thing I aint many people (seconds before getting overheaded by a crusher)

[random shuttle]

BIGGER Impact?

[tender forge]

You tried vraks with the rending+full attack speed desperado?

[random shuttle]

I am No1 Despacito Vraks Fan and Shill, so yes. yes I did.

[torn ember]

Oh this is reminding me I need to try the Agri Revolver.
Does Surgical work on the Agri or should I swap that to speedloader

[main trellis]

Neither

[unique dagger]

in case you havent tried yet

try a havoc 40 duo with shieldgrn push brittleness + skullcrusher and desperado scum

it is so insanely funny to watch your scum delete everything in seconds

[random shuttle]

I am a firm believer that all DAP/Shredder fans for Despacito are just huffing Copium

[torn ember]

So what, Run&Gun?

[random shuttle]

because Vraks is obviously the best

[main trellis]

I did that BEFORE ogryn got buffed… and vet got invalidated

[unique dagger]

ik brooo xdddd

[torn ember]

Hand Cannon feels like a given with Scum's high crit chance

but I'm not sure on the 2nd blessing for the braced Revolver

[unique dagger]

also revolutionary strat of chucking a chem grenade under taunt ogryn

[random shuttle]

Ogryn buffed?

Excuse me

[main trellis]

Trickshooter & crucian

[random shuttle]

the Rework obviously made ogryn the weakest class.

I remember someone told me that.

[main trellis]

I meant havoc 1.0

[neon fern]

ogryn still can't vault so he's the weakest class

[unique dagger]

I kinda wish we had the 2 bleed stacks on light back

[random shuttle]

I did h40 on Havoc 1.0 with ogryn too

[torn ember]

No Handcannon when you can sit at like 50% crit chance natively feels... off

[random shuttle]

For me people saying Ogryn was ever weak

just tell on themselves

[unique dagger]

Bleed dot got powercrept hard, it isn't as op as it used to be

[tulip breach]

ogryn op

[unique dagger]

I miss my 2 bleed stacks damnit

[tender forge]

Its fun on scum

Run the csword

[unique dagger]

its fun and still does decent damage don't get me wrong

it just isnt as op as it used to be

[tender forge]

Rev and get toxin+bleed

[random shuttle]

Csword is nice on scum ye

but

[tulip breach]

i legit cannot go down on ogryn

[random shuttle]

my best melee build for scum

[main trellis]

Argi does less dmg numerically than zarona; use your melee for carapace - agri revolver is for bosses, bulwarks & reapers

[random shuttle]

is DOT Shivs

Bleed on Crit, Tox on Crit

80% Crit rate

let's dance

[unique dagger]

80% is weak

[reef spoke]

Ogryn is weak, pls give dual rock throwing

[torn ember]

I'm playing Desperado I'm using it for everything

[tender forge]

I just like nonconsensual drug use

[random shuttle]

That's overall mission Crit Rate

[unique dagger]

ah kekw

%100 and beyond my pals

[main trellis]

Arby too

[main trellis]

Aka only on elites with that weapon

[unique dagger]

shiv hyper critical build with rampage is nuts tho

especially if you have a strong staggery frontliner

[random shuttle]

On Arby any melee feels nice because, by magic of the LEX, every weapon Arby holds MAGICALLY transforms into a Cinder Brick.

[tender forge]

Saw is still my favorite weapon

Not sure why but it feels like a vt2 wep for me

[torn ember]

Oh right Agri has terrible penetration doesn't it, so much for the fantasy of fanning the hammer into a horde

[main trellis]

TFW you can rev stun a crusher reliably

[random shuttle]

I'll rev stun your Crusher

[torn ember]

RIP cowboy dream

[unique dagger]

Stop resisting

[winter galleon]

When i want to disrespect crushers i play evis zealot

Cut them in half back to back

[main trellis]

I wish it was called a crusher…
Its more of a dreg shooter

[random shuttle]

When I want to disrespect Crushers I play Ogryn with melee build + Branx + Thrust + Crunch

[main trellis]

[neon fern]

shiv rampage to disrespect 8 crushers

[unique dagger]

Can someone mod the HL2 crowbar sounds effects to my crowbar already

please

[torn ember]

Shiv rampage makes my fingers hurt

[random shuttle]

Nothing makes me happier

[random shuttle]

than loading up a Branx overhead

to the max

and hitting a single Poxwalker

getting that 5000 overkill dmg

[unique dagger]

Imagine if ogryn had hyper violence or something similar

[neon fern]

i should try cbar on pure melee with rampage

[winter galleon]

I like club and just run through the map slapping only

[neon fern]

i only run it on my hybrid

[winter galleon]

Did an autoc maelstrom with another ogrym where we jsut slapped never anything else

Was chefs kiss

[torn ember]

Crowbar is fun but feels like it needs a bit of a boost

[tender forge]

Imagine if ogryn had dodge linger

[random shuttle]

Bro

on Mortis Trials

there is a perk

that gives you +200% Weakspot dmg

[unique dagger]

ogryn isnt a real class so he'll never have it

[random shuttle]

On my Ogryn with Branx

[tender forge]

[random shuttle]

let's say I am a big fan

[neon fern]

i just want ogeyn to be able to vault

and then i'll play ogryn again

[torn ember]

Imagine if Ogryn had proper heavy weapons, like a Heavy Bolter or Plasma Cannon

or even just a giant two-handed bonk stick

[unique dagger]

everyone knows ogryns can't vault, sorry

[tender forge]

Imagine if ogryn had dueling sword

[winter galleon]

Thank you for not being an obnoxious mortis ogrym with big box boom

[tender forge]

Thats me

[neon fern]

pleaaasse

[random shuttle]

Big Box Boom is super fun but come on

[neon fern]

let him vault

[random shuttle]

the part of Mortussy

[winter galleon]

I just leave mission when i see that

[random shuttle]

is to go wild with stupid shit

[unique dagger]

the amount of clutches I lost on my havoc 40 duos because of my ogryn not being able to vault is probably not in two digits

[torn ember]

... I want animations of the Ogryn holding a dueling sword like a teacup and swinging it

[tender forge]

Need to get my penance

[random shuttle]

For example get a Krourk Twink Stubber and that Perk that gives you 1% melee dmg for every round in your magazine

[tender forge]

I still havent uses box to kill a sand demon

[neon fern]

if ur a playtestr u should be harrasing devs to let ogryn vault

[random shuttle]

loooks at his 170 bullets in Stubber

"yeah I can work with that" 😄

[neon fern]

it's just the right thing to do

[tender forge]

Run gunlugger ogryn for this perk

[unique dagger]

wait

let me upset veterans real quick

I'll see you in vet chat

[random shuttle]

"melee combat"

[radiant swift]

"power sword nerfs"

[random shuttle]

"3 Ragers behind you"

[radiant swift]

"1 poxwalker behind you"

[tender forge]

Nerf power sword

Just... dont touch my true toy

Shovel

[winter galleon]

Shhh we dont speak of shovel

[torn ember]

#BuffPowerFalchion

[winter galleon]

Didn’t understand buffed ps

But for real shovel low key goated

So its nice the focus is on ps

[tender forge]

Though folding shovels should be able to 2tap h40 crushers

[winter galleon]

Just stagger lock them

[torn ember]

Quick question: does Hyper Violence actually apply for 1 second or does it only apply to the next melee attack

[tender forge]

But I want to thrust uncanny onetap auric crushers without some goofily set up build

[torn ember]

I've seen people saying both

[winter galleon]

The “goofy” setup build though can stunlock bosses which is funny

[tender forge]

Yeah but it was so much fun when I could just tag->onetap on a pretty much bog standard vet build

Also revert the hellbore fix

Give back bromentum bayonet

[winter galleon]

Can always just go back to bolter bet and become an ammo hoover and make everyone else unable to play game

[unique dagger]

for the younglings here, in 2022 power cycler allowed you to chain 11 (or 12) light swings and 8 heavy swings back to back all energized.

[winter galleon]

Satisfying when playing with a melee scum xD

[unique dagger]

and power sword had infinite cleave

[torn ember]

Hah, next you're going to tell me that Vet's ability reloaded his ranged weapon and Psykers had 100 dodges on their Force Swords

[winter galleon]

Reload needs to come back tbh

[tender forge]

But limbsplitter hellbore was funnier

[random shuttle]

Ogryn Ripper Guns had a 400% DMG blessing and Can Opener applied brittleness to shots.

[tender forge]

And actively hindered my development as a player

(I didnt use my melee)

Or my ranged really

[unique dagger]

nah, that never happened just like 120% power pinning fire

[torn ember]

Also Zealots could use charge to shred Crushers with a pistol

[tender forge]

And flamer

[unique dagger]

I honestly miss %100 rending during dash

[torn ember]

Fun times, fun times

[unique dagger]

fun times

[astral canyon]

Fumes

[manic wolf]

Some giga-salty customers on Elden Ring this afternoon lul

[cinder pine]

ah yes the ranged hivescum build, welcome back payday 2 dodge build

[manic wolf]

It was pretty cool for melee, not so much ranged tho

[manic wolf]

Yeah... its only fun for like 2 games, then its a snoozefest

[neon fern]

helping ppl on the event

despe scum makes sure you can't melee anything thx to the special poxwalkers

very cool!

[torn ember]

I really do not like the exploding poxwalkers

ah yes, more getting flung around, awesome

[obsidian turtle]

Does anyone have any evidence of the hyper-violence skill actually working in a controlled environment, currently?

[livid raven]

it just does

[main trellis]

Can 3 tap on top of stunlock

[tender forge]

Dont act dumb, dont act dumb

[delicate basalt]

Hear me out

[tender forge]

Yeah but I mainly want build agnostic onetaps in auric

[delicate basalt]

Shit song, evil eye is better

Anyways

[main trellis]

How so?

[delicate basalt]

Oops wrong take

More bone saw type weapons

[torn ember]

As in they apply status effects or as in they have two modes?

[rare stirrup]

or just bad weapons in general

[delicate basalt]

Status effects

[livid raven]

sneedler mark that also applies bleed and fire

[torn ember]

Give Daemonblade that applies Soulblaze to enemies pls

[livid raven]

we already have that, it's called force sword with that lame blessing

[rare stirrup]

with that swag blessing*

[torn ember]

No because that stupid blessing doesn't work on the stupid FGS sword beam

Which is stupid

[livid raven]

if i see another psyker melee build with that blessing and talents i'm gonna cry

[delicate basalt]

Hmmm

[rare stirrup]

you better have some tissues ready 😤

[north meteor]

just play Mortis Trials and you get that

[delicate basalt]

Speaking of blades, wrong chat but give ogryn a buster sword or sum

That's all

[livid raven]

true but it requires huge investements unfortunately

[torn ember]

"Hmmm, it seems players want to spend both blessings for the ability to light enemies on fire at ranged once every 20 seconds"
"That seems horrifically underpowered"
"Agreed, take it away from them"

Meanwhile Puncture Bolt Pistol quick-swap works

Let me have my giant flaming greatsword FatShark

[obsidian turtle]

lol

[livid raven]

you could just enter the psykanium and test it yourself

it's not exactly a hard effect to test

[obsidian turtle]

I did under several controlled tests, now is the part where I have other people give me their input

[livid raven]

most people know it works and accept it works without further testing

i dont' think i've seen any video where it's tested for the above reason

[torn ember]

To be fair knowing FatShark I wouldn't be surprised if it suddenly stopped working in actual matches one day or something

[astral canyon]

True

[manic wolf]

I mean, people tend to not like being invaded and losing, even less so when they're max level phantoms dying to a level 6 invader with +0 weapons lule

But that is why we invade at low level; to put max level babysitters in their place

[manic wolf]

This regarding Force Greatsword and Blazing?

Should have happened.

Didnt happen.

Big sad

[main trellis]

Ah the classic

[torn ember]

Specifically the interaction between Blazing and Warp Slice, yeah

[manic wolf]

Jup.

[torn ember]

If I want to spend both blessings on my melee weapon to make a terrible version of a Fire Trauma then by golly I should be allowed to

[manic wolf]

Indeed. Funny thing is, most of the time I don't even kill the low level players, just mess with them a bit, but overlevel phantoms? Nah, nah they get all the nasty bullshit because thats why there are so little in the way of new invaders in Elden Ring

[dim moth]

the funniest shit is that FGS wvae doesn't even have good crit damage xd

[unique dagger]

can't say I liked the invasions in elden ring, I wish it was an opt in feature

[dim moth]

it gets all of its damage from the charges

and it has a fucking cooldown on that blessing

like why

[torn ember]

Invasion is opt in tho

[manic wolf]

It is already opt in

[dim moth]

It...is?

[torn ember]

You literally have to use an item to turn them on

[dim moth]

You cannot be invaded by other players unless you willingly choose to allow it, or have summoned a coop partner

[unique dagger]

huh

I played the game on offline mode for no reason then

kekw

[manic wolf]

Yeah... there are no solo invasions unless you use taunters. And Coop is another tickbox, if you summon other players, then you get invaded. Liteally opt in in both situations

Taunter's runs are very fun tho

[main trellis]

I wish fromsoftware could do majority of the shit that modders did while making seamless coop mod…

[radiant swift]

I mean I think they could

it was a deliberate design choice to not

[near mauve]

nightreign proved they can do seemless shit if they wanted to

so they probably will for next game

assuming the next game is souls

[radiant swift]

--code vein 2 is one of thier next idk what else they got cooking rn--

[near mauve]

code vein 2 is not a fromsoft game

[manic wolf]

Yeah, their decision to not use Steam's API or have reigon locked matchmaking was certainly one of the choices of all time

[radiant swift]

I'm I tupid? Icould have sworn it was, I know it's bandai-namco, thought it was fromsoft too

[manic wolf]

It uses the same connectivity setup as the main game, but because its PvE, its not as noticeable

[near mauve]

bandai is the publisher

fromsoft is the dev

[manic wolf]

You can still matchmake with Wong from rural China in NR, its literally the same setup lol

[main trellis]

The one ppl call bloodborne 2… only on nintendo

[near mauve]

it feels 10000x more stable
if i pvp'ed with someone in NA in base elden ring he'd lag all over
i play nightreign constantly with NA people and it works great

[manic wolf]

Its PvE

[radiant swift]

oh it's both developed and published by namco I am just 'tupid

[manic wolf]

You'er not fighting the player, so there is no felt latency to the same degree

[main trellis]

Yeah about nightreigh; its 25% off; worth it?

[manic wolf]

That is gonna be From's biggest ever fumble

[near mauve]

if u wanna commit its sick asf

very fun roguelike

[manic wolf]

Depends. If you liked the PvE enough to warrant multiple run throughs of a very similar map with varying enemies and weapons each time, you'll enjoy it, if you find the longjevity of souls games to be in the PvP side of the game, you'll probably get bored quite quickly

[main trellis]

Only from games i dont have that are telated to dark souls universe are;
Nightreign
Sekiro
(I also don’t have armored core but still)

[manic wolf]

Its fun for the odd runthrough here an there, but I don't see it ever managing to touch the hours I've put into the maingame because it just doesnt have the replayability aspect

[near mauve]

nightreign is basically elden ring but roguelike

[near mauve]

ive already put in more hours

its very replayable

[main trellis]

PvP ended for me the moment i started doing it in ds2 & ds3 - ds1 pvp was peak

[manic wolf]

Honestly if you were gonna get any Fromsoft game in recent years, I would advise getting AC6 tbh

[main trellis]

Reason i got 1k hours in the prepare to die edition

[tender forge]

I should show you my build

[main trellis]

I loved dueling

[tender forge]

It was bullying

[torn ember]

DS1 pvp was great until you figured out how to break it and then it sucked

[tender forge]

30 casts of wotg

[manic wolf]

Its moderately replayable, but without having players present I find it just starts to lack challenge personally

[torn ember]

Chain backstabs, one-shot builds, poise nonsense

[radiant swift]

Woe Darkbead upon ye

[main trellis]

Breaking it was a choice many ppl were not choosing and it was beautiful

[tender forge]

Wrygb

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. DS1 PvP was uhh... quite something

[torn ember]

... Wyrgb?

[tender forge]

What Rings You Hot Bitch

[torn ember]

OHHHHHH lmao

[loud herald]

I don't know if I can imagine playing souls games for the sole dedication to pvp and that's it

[tender forge]

Best pvp area was level 20 parish

[main trellis]

Just roll

[tender forge]

Only if you are having fun

[loud herald]

No judgements I just can't fathom it lol

[manic wolf]

A lot of people can't, and you do (unfortunately) have to tolerate a rather toxic community, but there isnt really anything else that scratches that itch anywhere else in gaming

[tender forge]

Yeah they do that for the first 25

But then they think Im done

[torn ember]

Honestly DS2 pvp was my highlight of the series; slower weapons and dodges so you had to space correctly, wide open build opportunities, awesome areas like the bell towers
... Unfortunately, Soul memory

[tender forge]

I got sooo much hate mail

[manic wolf]

Based

[tender forge]

3 was r1 spam

[radiant swift]

I had a ton of fun invading in 3

didn't even touch it in elden ring

[manic wolf]

DS3 and to a greater degree, Elden Ring, are definately smoother to play, but the slower paced gameplay was generally better suited to PvP. Latency was less of a concern in 2 aswell

[main trellis]

Also dogshit hitboxes and floatyness of the player model
Also poor aiming tied to your mouse input aka free aim despite lock on - absolute dogshit

[manic wolf]

More than about 150ms really do be fucking both DS3's and ER's gameplay quite hard

[torn ember]

The height of PvP in 3 was when you could have 2 gold phantoms, 2 red phantoms, a blue phantom, and a purple phantom all in the same game with enemies attacking all of them

[manic wolf]

Yeah, the wars over a level were great

[torn ember]

Mouse input
You're a madman for not playing on controller

[manic wolf]

I hope the next mainline game has like an 8 player limit or summat

[radiant swift]

I remember having a really nasty str build were I used just wierd weapons to mess with people

try trading with a warpick mf

[main trellis]

I played mouse & keyboard the prepare to die edition

And i was good

[tender forge]

I had fun in ds3 when I starting unironically using a shield

As my main weapon

[manic wolf]

The Doors 😄

[tender forge]

Nope

[torn ember]

I made a build in 2 that used the double stone doors and it was hilarious

[tender forge]

Yhorms greatshield

[main trellis]

Ah ye the leo ring abuse

[tender forge]

R1 spammers could not deal with my running attacks

[radiant swift]

also swaping from some small str weapon into a great weapon is a fun turn around

[tender forge]

That were also blocked

[main trellis]

Considering being only on dogshitendo… yeah nah

[torn ember]

Also, counterpoint to all the DS2 slander: it had this:

https://tenor.com/view/trident-dark-souls-dark-souls2-dark-souls2trident-dark-souls-trident-gif-20630405

[manic wolf]

Lule, that max level scrub payout 😄

[main trellis]

Ds1 had too

[tender forge]

So did ds1?

[manic wolf]

Next mainline game, not cashgrab side project that only wifi warriors will play at 12FPS

[torn ember]

Ssshhhhh

[tender forge]

Dont you be talking shit about mynchannelers

[torn ember]

No one had it in 1 because it was a friggen 1% drop rate

Ds2 you just chucked rocks at the crows

[main trellis]

They are diddy kidnappers tho

[keen timber]

kinda got my shit rocked by nightreign

[main trellis]

[keen timber]

im not really a soulsliker

[dim moth]

from enemies that don't respawn

like legit you had 4 chances to get it in the entire game

[keen timber]

LOL

[main trellis]

All comes with practice

[dim moth]

and then you had to kill gwyn and do a NG+ cycle to get more chances

[tender forge]

If you had that ashy ass skin younwould need that much oil too

[torn ember]

Yeah exactly; in DS1 if you saw one it was like seeing a unicorn
Meanwhile in Ds2 I can remember several times all the phantoms ended up in a dancing party

[main trellis]

Dukes archives have them respawn… they drop those

[tender forge]

This

[main trellis]

Did you beat the game?

[tender forge]

Tbf my first 4 playthroughs I never got a balder swag sword

[torn ember]

Man I love the BSS

Getting it sucks so much tho

[main trellis]

Ah the terminology

[main trellis]

Very ez; either the guy in the parish drops it or upper sens fortress

Both respawn

[torn ember]

Very EZ
Another 1% drop chance

[manic wolf]

Are you not familiar with soulslike combat?

[torn ember]

... I don't think we have the same internal definitions

[manic wolf]

Coz yeah i can see that

if you're not like

[tender forge]

I know

I tried

[main trellis]

You lack patience… and humanity… and gold serpent ring

[tender forge]

I spent hours grinding it

[keen timber]

I mean I'm familiar with it, I'm just not practiced

[tender forge]

If not days

[keen timber]

I played a lot of games like monster hunter, and I've played a few soulslikes

[tender forge]

I was so cursed

[keen timber]

but I have actually never played a real fromsoft game until now

[torn ember]

Elden Ring is a great starting point

[keen timber]

I'm playing nightreign specifically

[torn ember]

It's got lots of ways to ease the difficulty if you find yourself hitting a wall

[tender forge]

My favorite darksouls weapon was the dragon head

[main trellis]

I would say ds3, ds1 if you’re mega slow

[supple delta]

Dump stat on the DB is Mobility, right?

[keen timber]

I'm more into that DMC style of action game rather than soulslikes

[main trellis]

Elden ring is like upper tier

[tender forge]

Yes

[torn ember]

DS3 is also great because Gundyr, but sometimes he kicks newbies too hard and they quit

[keen timber]

I prefer shit like this to most dark souls combat

[torn ember]

That's just a DS3 dex build

[loud herald]

DMC mentioned

[keen timber]

I love dmc

fun games

[supple delta]

66% mobility 74% range, is that passable? I'm broke

[torn ember]

Actually I take it back: that's in-game footage of Swift Slash before it got nerfed

[tender forge]

I wouldntbupgrade that to 500

Since thats even more expensive if you are broke

[supple delta]

I've no mastery on it anyways, so when the time comes...

[tender forge]

But if it isnalready 500 it should work

[supple delta]

What are the pros and cons of DB? So I know how to play with it, especially whether I should shoot Carapace with it

[manic wolf]

Idk, if you're not somewhat experienced with souls games DS3 is gonna kick your ass lol

Trial by fire tho i guess

[tender forge]

It kills everything but carapace

And has infinite cleave if no crapapace or shield

[torn ember]

Pros: you’re doomguy
Cons: crushers ignore your aura

[loud herald]

I just got this suggestion in my YouTube feed while we were talking about souls games

https://youtu.be/E3Im4Q6tdZI?si=nbiAfBDhdM_CZaMh

[manic wolf]

You should honestly pick up the main game

Its, by design, more lenient towards new players. You have no requirement to use stuff that makes your life easy, but you can get a multitude of things that trivialise the game a bit till you've got your feet. The difficulty curve is built into the gear in a way that isnt really present in other souls games

Nightreign has a bit of that, but because gear is RNG drops, you kinda by default have to understand movesets a bit more than in the main game's PvE

[keen timber]

That's fine tbh

im playing with people not quite as good as me anyway

[fierce aurora]

Water cartel #1

[obsidian turtle]

Agreed, which is why I set time to run controlled tests. So I guess the answer to my question is no one in here tested it or has a link to someone elses tests?

[torn ember]

Sir this is the Elden ring channel now, the Hive Scum channel is this way: #psyker-class

[brittle sierra]

I'm thinking about getting back into WH3

But I just can't stand the crashes and loading times 😔

Also I usually play hard battle very hard campaign difficulty

Not much of a challenge

Maybe I should switched it to very hard battle

[manic wolf]

Idts

[supple delta]

What blessings and perks go on the DB?

[sinful matrix]

Nightreign looks interesting, but I'm not good enough at souls games to make them a BR

I'm way too dumb and slow for that

Uh. . . extraction game? Whatever the fuck you wanna call it. I be out here grinding one boss for a whole day to not die in elden ring lmao

[keen timber]

it's a roguelike

[limber cradle]

Elden Ring is a fine start fwiw

[sinful matrix]

Yeah that.

[limber cradle]

Its what most people in the series started with atp

[sinful matrix]

I played DS1 on the 360

DS2 on the 360

Never did get very far into DS3 and just did my first run of ER earlier this year

Never did beat Malenia

[limber cradle]

Iirc its flakiacs/manstopper/flechette

[supple delta]

But I need reload speed

[keen timber]

u have the node in the scum tree

[supple delta]

The +30% node?

[keen timber]

yeah

[supple delta]

Not close to enough

[keen timber]

then dont use db

[limber cradle]

Run reload speed blessings

Idc

You asked

Id probably drop flechette for it

[keen timber]

I don't think that's worth it

[limber cradle]

But iirc flechette manstopper is the norm

[keen timber]

the crits are really important for the breakpoints

a lot of shots leave targets on really low hp

you'd just end up reloading more to compensate for the damage loss

[supple delta]

Shouldn't I take a crit chance blessing then?

[limber cradle]

Manstopper

[keen timber]

do u mean scattershot

manstopper is crit damage not chance

[supple delta]

Yeah Scattershot I think

[limber cradle]

It isnt damage either tbh it's cleave

Idk

[keen timber]

yeah

[limber cradle]

Thats whats normal to run on it, those are my recs

[bronze glade]

on HIV i prefer dropping flech for manstopper

for manstopper consistency

[keen timber]

that makes sense

idk what scum's ranged crit chance looks like

[neon fern]

if u have desperado u really want speedloader tho

speedload i mean

why did they choose such similar names

smh

[keen timber]

u have a third shot

that's enough

uir gonna have to deal with the reload

[neon fern]

nop

max stack speedload go

[keen timber]

if ur not willing to deal with the reload though u really shouldnt be using db

[manic wolf]

Cleave, but yer

[keen timber]

or go play weap specialist vet

[supple delta]

Wouldn't you want Both Barrels instead of Speedload?

[neon fern]

nah

[keen timber]

u shouldnt be using the alt fire

not generally

[supple delta]

Why?

[glossy cosmos]

does desperado make you ignore trapper nets or just ranged attacks

[keen timber]

because one shot should be enough

[neon fern]

both barrels is bait blessing

[keen timber]

the alt fires both barrels

[limber cradle]

Just ranged attacks

Trapper nets aren't ranged or melee

[dim moth]

based blessing you mean

[neon fern]

naw

alt fire my beloathed

[dim moth]

I've got 3 answers to your hypothetical situation

1. You didn't
2. Lag
3. 

[manic wolf]

Is there any real reason to even run DB on Scum?

[bronze glade]

not worth dropping MS or SS for that

[neon fern]

v worth

more ult uptime

[dim moth]

infinite ammo to spam both barrels duh

[keen timber]

db is pretty good

[bronze glade]

nah

[neon fern]

ya

[bronze glade]

the reload's pretty quck already with the talent

[manic wolf]

I would legit rather run something else in nearly every situation, DB is a Vet thing

[glossy cosmos]

it can stagger a sniper from 50m away 💀

[bronze glade]

getting .3s faste rreload time, to give up on your manstopper procs

[limber cradle]

I completely agree tbh

[bronze glade]

is not worth it

[manic wolf]

Thats not that impressive when basically everything else kills that sniper at 50m

[dim moth]

okay but manstopper stinky

[glossy cosmos]

still surprised me lmao

[neon fern]

worth

[glossy cosmos]

i just run death spitter + run & gun for it, blessings kinda eh on DB

[keen timber]

this is why i love my weap spec vet, wep spec will still kill

[manic wolf]

Ye, Weap'Spec' is super based for sure

[glossy cosmos]

infantry autogun was fun but i think the twin smgs just better overall

[keen timber]

iag has higher damage tbh

[manic wolf]

100% crit chance because you bonked a couple of poxies AND freeload? Excellent value

[limber cradle]

IAG kills better, Autos move better

Take your pick

[keen timber]

iags win cool factor tbh

[glossy cosmos]

the fastest shooting mark pretty gud

[manic wolf]

Alright, I pick the Shredder 😄

[limber cradle]

You're allowed to

[glossy cosmos]

blue iag i believe

[limber cradle]

Vraks

[neon fern]

okay now that's unacceptable

[limber cradle]

Idk the color

[neon fern]

you get 2 uzis

vs 1 dinky ass rifle

[keen timber]

wait fuck

yeah no

daps win cool factor

[neon fern]

redeemed

[manic wolf]

If we're only going on rule of cool, Stubbies win and its not even close tbh

😄

[tepid compass]

I love the agripina braced auto gun, use it if in a team with poor long range special sniping. Doesn’t get close to the damage potential of auto pistols though

[glossy cosmos]

sound design blows tho

[keen timber]

I use the braced auto gun in teams with poor range

huh

[unreal stirrup]

@compact oyster only took capcom 4 fucking title update to realize that ig doesn't have a 2 face button move so we can finally get world descending thrust input back

real

[manic wolf]

Not any worse than the uzis

[keen timber]

they took bros iron sights away 💀

[glossy cosmos]

braced autogun's lowest firerate looks like an AK so i gave it a spin 💀

prefer iag over it, diff is night and day

[compact oyster]

You can now have an instant offset on insect glaive

[unreal stirrup]

now I don't have to play sever hammer for good damage

[glossy cosmos]

i dont take the extra bullets perk so i can cosplay 1911s

[manic wolf]

BAG is another Vet thing tbh

[dim moth]

why tf would that hunk of garbage be a vet thing

[manic wolf]

Because Graia and funny Deadshot crit spam gun

[tepid compass]

I find it feels great with desperado. It loves the infinite ammo

[dim moth]

you know the braced autoguns have some of the worst crit stats in the game right

actually possibly the worst

even worse than most ogryn weapons

[manic wolf]

Did you miss the word "funny" in my prior scentence 😄

[icy scaffold]

Yea Graia braced is a good time on scum if you don’t mind less mobility

Dual Uzis feel the nicest still tho

[keen timber]

pitbull named "toddler annihilator"

[manic wolf]

Other than the extremely obnoxious screen shake

[keen timber]

i have screen shake totally disabled

[icy scaffold]

Who keeps screenshake on

[keen timber]

i know some people that keep it on low

[manic wolf]

I want some feedback from weapons, but my god its just horrendous on Uzi's

[icy scaffold]

There’s probably a mod to fix it by now

There’s a mod for everything

[manic wolf]

I'm quite happy just not using them lol, Shredder i find to be more consistent

[icy scaffold]

Actually haven’t tried Shredder yet

[manic wolf]

Trading a negligable amount of damage for a greater degree of accuracy

Its very good

Also faster reload so you dont have to commit a blessing slot

[glossy cosmos]

it doesnt shred carapace, this is so sad

[icy scaffold]

I’ll give it a shot whenever I find a half decent one

[icy scaffold]

Scum guns in a nutshell

[glossy cosmos]

born to shoot, forced to melee

[manic wolf]

Its basically just a sidegrade to Uzi, not an upgrade, not a downgrade, Uzi adjacent

[icy scaffold]

#givescumlasguns

[manic wolf]

Hardly. I can't wait till they gut pickpocket and VD so I can play ranged Scum without falling asleep at the wheel

[limber cradle]

Im ngl

I have more success in havocs with melee scum

[unreal stirrup]

hive scum difficulty range from baby first game and 130aps gameplay

[unreal stirrup]

yeah its like the gun don't cleave or anything

[manic wolf]

Have you by any chance not played a lot of Psyker?

[unreal stirrup]

and there already a whole ass class that delete horde

[limber cradle]

I play melee psyker.

[keen timber]

i feel like the fact that a lot of hive scums guns are sort of on the lower end of the power spectrum kinda offsets their ranged offensive power ngl

[unreal stirrup]

all scum weapon choice are kinda mediocre

[supple delta]

Is there a guide yet where I can check how I should build each weapon as the Hive Scum?

[keen timber]

they're not bad weapons

[unreal stirrup]

but they do have lot of talent to made up for it

[manic wolf]

Alright, well thats probably why, if you're used to actually having to play the game, then makes sense you'd do better with melee. Ranged Scum is just Purgatus, but gun-flavoured

[dim moth]

infantry autogun literal highest DPS gun in the game

[keen timber]

they're just generally not like

[unreal stirrup]

except crowbar

[keen timber]

crusher shred guns

[unreal stirrup]

also bonesaw

[tranquil berry]

needle gun

[dim moth]

I seriously mean this when I say that gun has higher DPS than the bolter does

[tranquil berry]

shivs...

[limber cradle]

I can go find my purple heart if you wanna see it

[tranquil berry]

so all really

[dim moth]

Infantry autoguns kill crushers

[unreal stirrup]

yeah doesn't change the fact that taxe is still the better option

[dim moth]

Because their crit modifier is stupid xd

[limber cradle]

It can kill them but Taxe is better for it ime

[manic wolf]

Correct

[neon fern]

shivs needle

all u need