hivescum-class

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-switch-baahh-tada-hi-gif-12601447

GUIISE DURR GREAT UNCLEAN ONE?!?!?!

[random shuttle]

Scooby is flummoxed that he kerfuffled right into a finnagle.

What we need

is Carapace Bursters

[lilac ermine]

In my autopistols is maniac or unyielding better

[random shuttle]

that can't be shoved away

[spice cloud]

Hell naw

Thats just evil

[random shuttle]

write a letter to FS "Dear FatShark - Carapace Bursters"

[winter tusk]

Anyone tested bursters yet, do they seem any bettee

Better

[glacial gyro]

Fuck you un-uncleans your great one

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[random shuttle]

Wait I have other brilliant ideas

Trapper Sniper

[winter galleon]

Reapers that shoot bursters instead of bullets

[winter tusk]

Ayo when did they add boogie2988 to Warhammer

[random shuttle]

[exotic temple]

No not the great clean one!!

[obsidian cipher]

I keep swapping between middle keystone and right keystone with rampage

[compact oyster]

I feel like a carapace monstrosity would be agood idea

[broken moss]

I wanna know what this guy does that's so much worse than what everything else on tertium already does

[winter tusk]

Literally disease the entire planet

[radiant swift]

more magicky shit

[winter tusk]

Just by radius

[lilac ermine]

I might use both build do you have link or pic

[glacial gyro]

he gets his magic eraser out and cleans you

[broken moss]

thought tox bombers were already working on that

[calm aurora]

ogryn sorcerer

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-nurgling-pooping-gif-24684196

[radiant swift]

also that

[winter tusk]

He scrubs the skin off of rejects trying to clean them

[random shuttle]

Taco Bell

[broken moss]

I've seen worse

[calm aurora]

where does that come from?

[random shuttle]

Total War

[lilac ermine]

WTF

[winter tusk]

Total war

[calm aurora]

holy they went that far

[broken moss]

I mean we don't see it in game but I'm pretty sure plogryns are already walking around shitting on everything

[radiant swift]

shoutout to billious thunderguff the nurglish giant

who fart's people to death

[winter tusk]

Unclean one is like space marine level threat, probably not incredibly likely for darktide

[glacial gyro]

he scrubs all the tats off the hive scum, causing them to have an identity crisis and barrel themselves off a ledge

[broken moss]

sounds like we need a new boss fight

[exotic temple]

Yeah total war Warhammer 3

[radiant swift]

just not marines please

[exotic temple]

Yeah them and the nurgling animations went pretty far

[radiant swift]

it'd be so annoying listening to people bitch about it being not lore friendly

(it is)

[glacial gyro]

GUO eats space marines for breakfast. GUO is a 'bomb it from orbit' level threat.

[winter tusk]

Be neat to have nurglings, little bastards running around

Yeah so definitely out of reach for some prisoners smuggling corpse starch in their asses

[obsidian cipher]

Not at my pc atm sry, send me a dm so I can remember later

[glacial gyro]

little boogers scampering around flinging shit at you

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-up-his-ass-christopher-walken-hiding-place-hide-gif-12085193525154129388

[calm aurora]

inb4 ''I HAVE TESTED THE NEW BOSS FOR WEEKS HERE IS LE META STRATEGY''

[winter tusk]

"Alright so what you wanna do is get the shredder auto pistol"

[compact oyster]

Do you like autopistol on vet?

[final comet]

Patiently awaiting genestealer cultists, a new faction would do wonders to refresh darktide not even getting into a new chaos wastes type deal

[compact oyster]

Presumably in the future if this teaser leads anywhere

[lilac ermine]

I dont play vet

[calm aurora]

finish the wolfer arc first ffs

[compact oyster]

Wolfers arc is either be killed or beg zola for help

[final comet]

I have paid zero attention to the characters or story in darktide I just could not possibly care less personally, ooga booga booger bombs whatever

[radiant swift]

(it's be killed while begging zola for help)

[broken moss]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VRXi7ytV290?si=9Ua-RWyEc1SZyAKa

was watching this last night. reminded me of a lot of games but not the least of which is dark tide. devs keep trying to give us variety but we keep solving everything with the same strat

[amber sundial]

Wolfer arc is him dying off camera in a random cutscene you 100% skip

[exotic temple]

I just wish they’d add more chaos stuff other than burgle. Nurgle is cool and all but the other 3 factions could be really interesting.

[fallen void]

jeanstealers. they steal your genes

[fallen void]

guess fatshark's favorite chaos god challenge (impossible)

[exotic temple]

Especially when we are in the upper hive having to fight off demonettes or pleasure cultists could be a change of pace

[random shuttle]

Well half of the mofos on Reddit will fight tooth and nail it's all Chaos Undivided

[compact oyster]

Nurgle is the easiest faction for horde combat

Besides khorne

[random shuttle]

because guy called Farticus Shitticus Van Vomitous the Third is surely NOT a Chaos Lord of Nurgle.

[limber cradle]

Oops all ragers

[amber sundial]

Slaaneshi enemies will just be luring meta slaves with plasma guns and dueling swords

[final comet]

The art asset direction in DT is borderline impeccable but there are only so many types of pustule to gaze lovingly upon

[livid raven]

i sure love all the grey

and brown

[exotic temple]

It’s totally khorne

[compact oyster]

Tzeentch would almost exclusively be ranged

[random shuttle]

Free Range Tzeentch

much better than caged.

[fallen void]

we kinda sorta have 2 games to disprove that

[livid raven]

daemons of tzeentch would be ranged

we only fight chaffs, ogryns and such

if there was a monster of tzeench, it would be ranged, maybe

[random shuttle]

never wish for Tzeetnch in Warhammer game

it will mean we will be fighting Tzaangors 99% of the time

[compact oyster]

Horrors screamers tzaangors flamers

[exotic temple]

You mean like sm2

[compact oyster]

Im amazed sm2 doesnt have horrors yet

[livid raven]

aren't horrors like

[winter tusk]

Darktide has cutscenes?

[livid raven]

low level chaff

[exotic temple]

That does seem like an oversight

[unique dagger]

Hive scum feels amazing to play rn ngl

my rampage goes hard

nimble my beloved

[calm aurora]

did you change your build hamdol?

[unique dagger]

yeah, nimble's back on the menu

[amber sundial]

Have you never done campaign

[calm aurora]

can you share the link?

[forest escarp]

so its been established that heavy sword is great for hyperviolence, but i was also pleasantly surprised the other day at how well chainaxe holds up for the same niche (on auric, anyway)

[unique dagger]

i gotchu one sec

[exotic temple]

They are basically ranged chaff

[unique dagger]

wrong link

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d582b-0cdc-4c42-8ea5-59195fa259ae/hamdols-melee-hive-scum-havoc-40

I've been experimenting with this stim

[forest escarp]

im not fully certain how its heavy / special attacks interact with proccing/increasing the overkill damage buff of hyperviolence, though
if i had to guess i'd assume 'not at all' which is unfortunate, but still not bad for munching armor

[livid raven]

what are the heavy sword combos

[unique dagger]

but cdr stimm is still goated

[calm aurora]

do you feel battering strike is needed for the shivs?

[unique dagger]

this is purely for havoc so yes

it makes your mixed/trash clear that much faster

together with hypercritical

for auric you don't need it

[broken moss]

sacrilege

[random shuttle]

Hamdo real question

[broken moss]

where is the cdr

[random shuttle]

do you think Scum would like My Little Pony or would they be more SONIC fandom material?

[calm aurora]

hmm i kinda like using the shout offensively tho

[unique dagger]

this is just an experiment lol, check the build link for real build

[broken moss]

I think they'd kill fans of either

[unique dagger]

I noticed when I enter my ult I don't leave it for at least 40 seconds

so the shout isn't helping mme too muhc

[limber cradle]

Why no shout on rampage/why chem dep outta pure curiosity?

[kind latch]

It was never off the menu

[winter galleon]

So gunner resist curios kinda not needed for anyone now besides ogryn, just press dodge

[limber cradle]

Yeah fair

[unique dagger]

but if you like the initial ass saving part

[kind latch]

It was always so so so tasty

[glacial gyro]

When was it not on it??

[kind latch]

Mmmmmf yummy

[unique dagger]

I'd say go ahead

[broken moss]

it's good though. helps you engage packs of dangerous shit

[unique dagger]

drop the weakspot damage

and take shout

[random shuttle]

I never used them on ogryn either

[kind latch]

When it didnt give you total ranged immunity duh

[glacial gyro]

I use it to interrupt monstrosities and charging mutants

[dim moth]

oh dear

[unique dagger]

It's my preference really

[broken moss]

and when it DOES end, it knocks things back down when you're at your most vulnerable to allow you the chance to escape

[broken moss]

yea that too

[unique dagger]

but it is good

[calm aurora]

you can use shout for a rez too, it works well

because you'll be done by the time they are on you

[unique dagger]

works way better with cdr stimm, instead of the experimental one

with shout

[ionic python]

@novel oracle Oy, just wanted to give you a shout-out: you had a lot of really good initial build ideas, that I have since gone "huh, well I'd personally swap these", and then I'd proceed to go down and realize "ahh THAT's why he had that other talent".

Thanks for the build templates for those of us that haven't had enough free time b/c work/fam obligations during the holidays (my work becomes more instead of less)

[winter tusk]

Yeah ive done the campaign, people dont just spam skip as soon as the missions over?

[kind latch]

This shit gonna get reverted no way it doesnt

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pn7xsn/so_this_a_thing_now_after_this_hotfix_lol/

[winter galleon]

No need to discuss nerfing desperado when all classes can just be perma immune by pressing doge

[kind latch]

I feel icky after posting a reddit link but it must be done

[calm aurora]

I don't see the problem, people have no idea how to dodge tbh

[winter galleon]

Ya it needs reverted

[kind latch]

Literally lmao

[drowsy relic]

Well thought out change as ever fatshark

[kind latch]

The problem is that dodge linger now applies to ranged attacks too

[unique dagger]

I do think this is a problem of lingre time not getting changed when you are on your negative dodges

[random shuttle]

Finally

[unique dagger]

if linger time gets nerfed on neg dodges this change is a solid positive

[dim moth]

yeah tis is like a huge nerf to ranged enemies across the game

[drowsy relic]

"This should be our last hotfix of the year"

No no you gotta do one more now

[random shuttle]

Moebians got a course of shooting from Star Wars Storm Troopers

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-home-lander-nao-no-gif-12606514540494555875

[kind latch]

Unless you’re ogryn lmao

[dim moth]

unless you're ogryn yes

[kind latch]

But fuck that class

[random shuttle]

Woooow

whoa

Calm down Robert.

[kind latch]

I said it

[winter galleon]

Woah

[kind latch]

I went mask off

[drowsy relic]

Mind giving the devs a little nudge about this mister playtester lol

[winter galleon]

What did ogrym ever do to you besides try to protect the little ones?

[calm aurora]

well, that's not a problem, until I realized it was the same for negative dodges

[vast yoke]

my god nimble fix is so absurd. you can dodge spam permanently even with slower weps like bone saws

[kind latch]

Total ranged immunity for just dodging is absolutely a problem

[winter galleon]

Not just nimble

[vast yoke]

negative dodges need to not apply linger i agree

[amber sundial]

What did this mean?

[limber cradle]

What are we freaking out over rn

[broken moss]

till you watch a sniper track you with aimbot

[dim moth]

dodge linger affects ranged enemies now

[calm aurora]

this is why it needs to be fixed for negative dodges

[dim moth]

so every classes dodges can make them effectively immune to being shot

[limber cradle]

Fuck it, everyone gets ranged immunities now.

[kind latch]

For all dodges

[limber cradle]

Complain about desp now heathens

[kind latch]

It was fine as it was

[limber cradle]

They put even more ranged immunity in the game

[broken moss]

people acting like the ranged immunity is why people hate playing with that build

[vast yoke]

yeah this shit is getting a complete rework in the next two weeks/months (depending how many days off the devs took)

[kind latch]

Its boring too

[dim moth]

or just revert it because dodge linger didn't affect ranged enemies for a reason xd

[lilac ermine]

Its not rlly any difference then sliding

[kind latch]

Ill take playing rampage and cutting ragers in half with a light attack over it any day

[random shuttle]

Optimistic

[winter galleon]

Ogryms not knowing they only ones who can be shot

[grand jewel]

they broke something before leaving but in a too op way yoooo

lets gooo

[random shuttle]

considering FS returns on March 2026 😄

[dim moth]

sliding doesn't work on melee enemies without having that one scum talent

[drowsy relic]

Reverse dog!

[broken moss]

I suspect it won't be till Feb or potentially even after. cuz the whiners that want it to stay broken would be up in arms if it got nerfed right after they bought it

[random shuttle]

Not that it matters with ogryn 1000hp and 3000 toughness

[finite sand]

If I queue into another CIVI and find another person spamming that they need ammo I might actually eat glass.

[dim moth]

it also isn't as easy to chain together as regular dodges are

[kind latch]

Yes but sliding required you to be completely vulnerable to melee

You either dodged ranged or melee

[grand jewel]

imma load onto my arbi to give my dog a pet for this attrocity

[vast yoke]

they probably did want linger to apply across the board but i imagine some intern just kept upping linger over and over for like 6 months until they realised oh shit yeah right it's not even enabled for ranged

[kind latch]

And used positioning to compensate

[vast yoke]

that's my headcanon XD

[drowsy relic]

I don't think this is as bad as the dog nuclear bomb but lol they didn't test it properly again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[broken moss]

it really is legit unplayable for desperado builds

[dim moth]

well this change also doesn't just affect scum

[grand jewel]

yeah dog bomb was fixed quickly though, EO was not

[dim moth]

it makes everybody nearly invincible to gunfire just for dodging properly

[finite sand]

Kid named pickpocket:

[grand jewel]

EO lasted like, a week?

EO, fuck

[vast yoke]

I wish the whiners whined more about power falchion because I'd like it to be actually usable already

[grand jewel]

dog

[drowsy relic]

EO was just annoying not game breaking tbf

Also lime

[finite sand]

It... is?

Thats a wild take.

[dim moth]

the instant fatshark is off holiday this shit's getting axed

[broken moss]

they just don't do good damage to that much armor

[grand jewel]

yeah but it was the last thing they broke before going on break

[drowsy relic]

IF WE'RE BEING HONEST

EO is so busted lmfao

[dim moth]

It's just a mid tier it's not that bad

[vast yoke]

it's dogshit. not a skill issue it's a pretty generally accepted take

[broken moss]

ran into this the other day and it was a slog

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think it's low mid tier at best

[finite sand]

Its a 5hk on crushers with the standard model and it has the exact same moveset as mk10 relic blade.

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-neo-keanu-reeves-the-matrix-back-bend-gif-22197126

[vast yoke]

besides dclaw and certain mks what weapon would you rather use less on vet

[calm aurora]

finally

[grand jewel]

yeah falchion is p mid

[finite sand]

Theres literally nothing wrong with pfalchion, you're just comparing it to broken things so it seems bad.

[limber cradle]

Like when I think mid tier i think shock Maul and ime pfalc is defo worse than that

[vast yoke]

right

[broken moss]

yea but that's meta

[drowsy relic]

Turning on my power falchion to make it a little weaker than Caxe

Huge

[broken moss]

the strongest item becomes the standard

[finite sand]

That's a terrible metric to say whether something is good or not.

[dim moth]

dueling sword (boring is worse than bad), and shock maul

[lapis raft]

so how good is the new hotfix i just woke up :d

[winter galleon]

It really wont be bad if its effective dodges only eventually which imagine will be

[calm aurora]

broekn

[vast yoke]

shock maul is better. still mid but better

[drowsy relic]

May have fundamentally broken the game

[noble latch]

looks like the dodges might get nerfed already

[dim moth]

worse carapace and horde damage

[noble latch]

after the holidays

[dim moth]

its only better becausae skullcrusher xd

[kind latch]

Pretty bad

[grand jewel]

time to testrun

lol

[drowsy relic]

OH NO

[limber cradle]

I mean like even if you don't compare it to A or B tier weapons the only thing PFalc really feels better than is the fucking DClaw and we all know how good that thing is on vet

[vast yoke]

tru. tbh both are problematically bad

[noble latch]

they made dodges too good

[dim moth]

power falchion has a fun moveset

[noble latch]

no idea how they didnt see that coming

[dim moth]

and it's good enough that I bring it as a sidearm on gun builds sometimes

[broken moss]

some folk will bore themselves to death refusing to play anything but the absolute most busted shit in the game even if theres 10 options only marginally worse. nature of gamers

[calm aurora]

time to get true survivor bitches

[noble latch]

have fun with the op dodges while you can

[dim moth]

but then I do that with dclaw sword too

[grand jewel]

[unique dagger]

in case you didn't know this talent is NOT just ranged damage, it's a global damage increase for close range

[finite sand]

Trust me, I know, I was that kind of person for a while, then I started doing deranged things like achlys combat axe with a double barrel, doing weapon spec and exe stance.

[lapis raft]

ah yea just looked at the reddit vid, that looks giga broken

[granite hawk]

Every game will have a meta, the actual hard part is making everything viable while still allowing the best to be the best

[limber cradle]

Anything within 12.5m iirc

[dim moth]

It is lol, and keep in mind every class can do that (not ogryn)

[broken moss]

meta is boring

[vast yoke]

oh yeah that's a common thing for vet too haha

[dim moth]

Because what they did is they made melee dodge linger apply to ranged enemies

[limber cradle]

Close range is 12.5m right?

[unique dagger]

its not even just 12.5m

close range is 12.5 yes

[final temple]

it’s up to 30m

after that it has no effect

[limber cradle]

Neat, til

[calm aurora]

people said it's bad 🙂

[limber cradle]

That shit just works lmao

[broken moss]

except that theres little reason for the devs to focus efforts there because the super majority of players simply won't use it.

[lilac ermine]

Wont melee enemies still hit when run out of dodges

[calm aurora]

it's like the riposte talent on zealot, but better

[broken moss]

the trick is actually to not throw piles of slop into the game and balance things properly so everything has an actual niche and strong, distinct pros/cons so there's not just a clear winner

[bronze glade]

20-40% of the time, it always works

[fallen void]

IM FAIRLY CERTAIN FATSHARK REVIVED HITLER TO HELP THEM MAKE TRAPPERS

[broken moss]

the more weapons you add to a game the more pronounced these issues become

[dim moth]

tbh I think every other source of universal close range damage just says Close Damage not Close Ranged Damage

[limber cradle]

Dodging is my primary form on locomotion anyway

[bronze glade]

same but the uptime is shit according to the uptime mod soooo

[lapis raft]

i need to check uptime of it with these linger changes i bet it will jump from 40% to like 60% at least ngl

[bronze glade]

the linger changes look quite significant

you can just perma dodge gunners now??

[calm aurora]

yes

[unique dagger]

its a way better pick for desperado builds, as you get the talents to proc with autododging

[dim moth]

yeah

[noble latch]

its getting patched after holidays

so have fun while you can

[bronze glade]

what, in 2028?

[noble latch]

next hotfix

[broken moss]

when did this "fix" go live to begin with?

[calm aurora]

today

[noble latch]

few hours ago

[broken moss]

Jesus man. it's already been pretty easy to dodge gunners

[noble latch]

yeah and people complained about nimble

cause they didnt know how it works

so fatshark buffed all dodges on all classes except ogryn

[broken moss]

poor brutes

[fallen void]

this

is a bucket

[random shuttle]

Yes poor brutes

As we know Ogryns were struggling

[noble latch]

ogryn will be just fine

[vast yoke]

ogryn already was able to face tank Gunners enmasse tbh

[broken moss]

yes but they have been left out of the rain

[bronze glade]

psykers were struggling more 🙂‍↕️

[random shuttle]

Ogryn walks through a level at casual pace barely noticing he is being attacked: "Well that was rough."

[winter tusk]

Noooo gunners keep killing meeeee!!!!1! :The humble slide

[leaden fable]

Tbf the text description in game was incredibly misleading

[thorny ginkgo]

played with no headphones or sound while i was on the phone, is this bad 😭

[leaden fable]

[sturdy linden]

FS buffing the bejeezus out of every class' defense was not on my 2025 bingo card

[noble latch]

yeah the same thing with 60% of all talents

get used to it

[dim moth]

I mean it worked how I expected it to from reading it xd

but then I already knew dodge linger didn't affect ranged enemies

[noble latch]

tons of talents are misleading or wrong sometimes

you get used to it after a while

[limber cradle]

Buffed the crushers, buffed us, next is the the enemies, then us again.

All buffs no nerfs

[vast yoke]

oh lord its already recognised and going to be fixed. abuse it while you still can

[lapis raft]

hmm no crate bug fix either?

[vast yoke]

create bug is fixed

[broken moss]

I wanna know how you're able to see how many times you and others went down

[vast yoke]

as far as I can see it's a lot less jank

[grand jewel]

after the holidays

[vast yoke]

haven't had it jank out on me

[vast yoke]

we have lots of time to abuse it haha

[broken moss]

I've searched through scoreboard and oven proof and have not seen that option

[vast yoke]

time to queue Havoc 40

[thorny ginkgo]

i went down once, and the arby went down once thats it i think

[rancid coral]

We went from bug that made players suffer (explosions) into bug that make players braindead

[lapis raft]

no i mean the one where you can get the stimm bonus by walking out and inside the circle again even when you dont have stimm

[hasty agate]

Well, that at least confirms that Nimble was negatively impacting the dodge and was NOT working as intended. Regardless of what the code said either.

[sturdy linden]

Oh boy, a couple months of ranged near immunity. This is gonna suck when they patch it out

[vast yoke]

huh didn't know abt that one

[glass apex]

Is the desperado build still around

[broken moss]

you went down quite a few times. outright killed twice

ain't judging ijs

but I want to see that info in my scoreboard

[dim moth]

people are gonna get emotionally attached to these changes and think they just got better at dodging gunners

[sturdy linden]

Ovenproof scoreboard plugin

[vast yoke]

gonna gaslight my irls after it gets hotfixed that they're just getting old and bad at games

[broken moss]

I have that

[dim moth]

and then when it gets fixed they're gonna complain again

[broken moss]

but mine doesn't show those stats

[noble latch]

dont agree

but sure

[vast yoke]

they'll review bomb arbites this time out of confusion

[noble latch]

they didnt change nimble at all

the talent has stayed the same

[spare moon]

so is nimble working correctly or no

[noble latch]

im gonna lose my mind

[sturdy linden]

Should be in the settings, though idr which one it was specifically

[dim moth]

they didn't change nimble they made it so that dodge linger affects ranged enemies xd

[dim moth]

It always was people just didn't know about the jank behind it

[hardy spruce]

sadly yes

[noble latch]

none of the talents work

play a different class

[sturdy linden]

[radiant swift]

true

[sturdy linden]

Slappy losing his shit

[spare moon]

finally a class with some skill expression

[grand jewel]

I love how fast this was figured out as well lol

[broken moss]

I'll look again but I've combed through it several times

[noble latch]

ive spent all morning trying to explain it to people on the forums

im losing it man

[sturdy linden]

[noble latch]

[sturdy linden]

God bless

[random shuttle]

the year is 2033. Crushers have 500 000 HP each.
But that's okay, because a shot from Brauto deals 150 000 dmg.

[rose flax]

Always has been, just was not specified to work for only melee

[hardy spruce]

darkday 2

[spare moon]

Ah okay, thanks.

Came in at the end of that convo and became confused

[vast yoke]

mootash varg nurgleeeeee

[hasty agate]

What they DID was a consequence of Nimble not working within their vision. So Nimble was not working as intended. Which resulted in the change they’ve temporarily made until they “fix” Nimble directly.

[spare moon]

lemme go read the patch notes again

[dim moth]

Oh god please don't start being delusional in this chat

I had enough of that from helldivers discord

[sturdy linden]

They're literally taking it back

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/agathasbike-homelander-gif-3664486938523379369

[sturdy linden]

Because it's so fucking OP lmao

[hasty agate]

I just said temporarily

[sturdy linden]

I can't wait to play Ogryn today and have dodge linger

[vast yoke]

remember when there was like 1 dev working on game balance in year 1 of hd2 those were really funny times

[sturdy linden]

[noble latch]

now all classes have the psyker immune to ranged node

without the node

[dim moth]

Was never true

[sturdy linden]

HD2 has balance?

[dim moth]

There was one guy the community scapegoated and borderline lynched

[sturdy linden]

[dim moth]

But there was always multiple people

[hardy spruce]

just the ragebait nerfs

[noble latch]

yeah, everything 1 shots everything, including the enemies killing you

[sturdy linden]

Balanced it is then

[vast yoke]

thats scary

anyone else on the toilet rn or just me

[sturdy linden]

Me too

[vast yoke]

1 or 2

[spare moon]

im in the mourningstar pondering havoc

[random shuttle]

I am not but I am taking a shit anyway.

[sturdy linden]

Poo time is discord time

[vast yoke]

disgusting

keep that to yourself

[lapis raft]

yea in same toilet look behind you

[sturdy linden]

Rashuns in, rashuns out

[vast yoke]

nurglemaxxing

[vast yoke]

that's so scary

[random shuttle]

"Akchually I'm pheromonemaxxing to attract all the femoids." -

[lapis raft]

nah its community shitting people in rome did it why cant we smh

[limber cradle]

Same bro

Kerfus and I are spiritually linked through the sewer system rn

[random shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzsvoJzO8oI

[main trellis]

I am always on a toilet

[drowsy relic]

Well it appears our fatshark Christmas present was easy mode

You want havoc 40?

Well BUDDY

I've got the news for you

[dim moth]

ranged enemies have been DESTROYED

REMOVED from the game

[main trellis]

Dogwater ppl will still fail tho

[random shuttle]

I see people going down all the time

so I guess they didnt hear that Ranged Enemies got debuffed.

[neon mango]

booting up havoc rn im getting my free true survivor

[random shuttle]

**Darktide Most Embarrassing Universal Death No.13:

You push first Burster in a conga line of bursters.
He doesn't explode.**

[limber cradle]

So the tldr is if you know how to dodge game got easier

However if youre 75 percent of the playerbase it doesn't matter

[lilac ermine]

Nice thats rlly good

[dim moth]

if there's a conga line I always push 2 or 3 times

I am prepared for this outcome

[limber cradle]

If theres a conga line I shoot those motherfuckers

[neon mango]

fucking conga lines always get me from around corners

the sound never plays right

[limber cradle]

I choose to believe this is satire

[main trellis]

Real talk; you need it?

[drowsy relic]

It's scary I could have been in this person's lobby

[neon mango]

no i have yet to even play havoc lmao, just been getting better on auric maelstroms lately

[limber cradle]

Need it? No. Want it? Yes. Willing to accept help? Also no.

[random shuttle]

Hotel?

Trivago.

[main trellis]

Choices matter

[limber cradle]

Its fake to me if I get it in a 4 stack.

[lilac ermine]

I played with person name Bingus on havoc 40 and they were goated

[noble latch]

you gotta tell these people how to play the game

[main trellis]

How do you think majority of ppl got it?

Its not ez boi; requires coms & teamwork

[limber cradle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neon mango]

ive got my ASS on oggy im just apprehensive about trying havoc, dunno why

[limber cradle]

Whats life without a healthy amount of suffering?

[main trellis]

You scared you might not be as good as you think you are subconciously

[limber cradle]

Havoc is piss easy for 24 ish levels fwiw

[grand jewel]

just throw yourself in there, havoc is really not that different

[limber cradle]

Its only "havoc" at 25+ and grueling at 35+ ime

[neon mango]

yeah ive heard its like roughly equal to a maelstrom up until that levelish

[lilac ermine]

Havoc is only ez when Im with friends

[main trellis]

30+ is where most ppl are seperated aka wheat from chaf aka dogshit from good

[limber cradle]

Havoc 1-20 might as well not exist imo

[limber cradle]

Ive made it to 32 before then got sent down to 20 when rituals reset to rot armor

Was pissed

[grand jewel]

[limber cradle]

Ive played a 36 before

[main trellis]

Skill check modifier putting ppl where they are
No offence

[limber cradle]

It doesn't feel bad till someone goes down

[lucid frost]

those who suffered through tox gas and stims pre nerf

[main trellis]

Thats always that

[limber cradle]

Look man, I can be the last alive but I cannot physically drag people through RA

I'm good enough to pull my weight ime, I am not good enough to pull someone else's tho

[main trellis]

I feel ya; many times when i dissapeared from the game team starts to crumble
That says alot

[limber cradle]

I don't even die first

Its normally 3rd or 4th

[grand jewel]

alot of people can be perfectly fine players but you really notice quickly how fast they panic if anything goes wrong

[limber cradle]

Yup

Fine till you aren't

[main trellis]

Stress shows who is a man & who is a pussy

[limber cradle]

I mean fwiw my havoc experience is straight up party finder

[grand jewel]

what the fuck is fwiw

[limber cradle]

I don't stack whatsoever

[grand jewel]

stop making me feel old

[limber cradle]

For what it's worth

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/agathasbike-homelander-gif-3664486938523379369

[cedar cairn]

Folga Wolga Imoga Womp

[past trench]

I hope there will be more long coats for the hive scum. This with dual pistols is an absolute Underworld vibe

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-shark-tank-writing-gif-7494974

[lilac ermine]

I join in party finder groups with 4 hive scum and we die in havoc 40

[grand jewel]

due to no people or having a weird mental thing about it

[north meteor]

just finished my coffee and???

[grand jewel]

which they immediately said oh shit thats busted we'll fix it after the holidays

incredible

[north meteor]

that's wild lmao

[grand jewel]

did a test run on melee scum

why die when cannot die?

[north meteor]

thats every class right?

[lilac ermine]

Some ppl dont believe me when I say melee is stronger

[winged bay]

Ogryn doesnt have linger

[young herald]

yes, the change to dodge linger is universal, so every class but ogryn has massively improved dodge vs ranged attacks

[north meteor]

melee scum is stronger in the hands of someone who isn't the average player

[tender marten]

except oggies

[lilac ermine]

Yea

[north meteor]

brother what were they thinking

[young herald]

and any class with linger-boosting talents go even harder

and nah, desperado is far and away the strongest build for scum at this time

[winged bay]

It's busted at least due to the linger being long enough to keep you in dodge state even after you run out of efficient dodges

[young herald]

melee scum is just way more fun

[lapis raft]

lmao i was right basically exactly on the dot

[grand jewel]

the damage is so nuts lol, feels like im playing warframe

[limber cradle]

Little bit of both ig.

[lilac ermine]

I know and they can deal with boss and crusher ez

[drowsy relic]

"Whatever have fun"

[north meteor]

it is in the context that most of the players can't make the most of melee scum, so I agree with this from that perspective

[limber cradle]

I dont want to play this game with someone drastically better than I am and get carried, but my friends are heresy players.

So I'm in a weird spot.

[main trellis]

Just say you don’t wanna feel worse

[north meteor]

DB that change is unreal

[main trellis]

Nothing wrong with it tho

[limber cradle]

Its not earned if you got carried

[north meteor]

GGG balancing

[grand jewel]

fair and fair, can always be on the lookout for people at similar levels of havoc as you, work your way up together, and you don't have to stick with a group with someone alot better than you, you can learn from that match regardless if you feel like you got carried

[main trellis]

Everyone was worse at some point

[limber cradle]

And there are defo some really good players out there

[main trellis]

TS does not really work that way; you have to be good as an individual and as a team
There is no such thing as carry

[grand jewel]

I just really think havoc is made out to be worse than people say

[tender marten]

its hard to onboard my friends cause i feel like an uncle holding back at touch football with all his nieces and nephews

[neon mango]

i know im always in for a treat when i get someone in the thousands for levels
those mfs are something else

[grand jewel]

I went from not playing havoc to clearing my first 40 in 2 days

[drowsy relic]

It is but you keep that on the down low

[north meteor]

I'm pretty solid at the game, and I never really see players who are mind blowing, but I went down in high havoc the other day and this guy just didn't get hit

[rotund agate]

I still haven't tested out my chem dependency VIAG desperado build...

[north meteor]

and I was like "how tf"

[main trellis]

If you are dogshit and you get 3 carries you still can die as easy

[grand jewel]

[main trellis]

And fail a TS

[limber cradle]

My friends who like this game are super casuals, which is fine. My other friends can't get into the combat.

[signal nebula]

Everyone's a carry until they aren't

[grand jewel]

buy more friends

[signal nebula]

#deep

[tender marten]

its a fine line of me being bored out of my skull from lack of action and them being bored out of their skulls watching me murderize an entire map

[limber cradle]

Oh ik, I picked Cole up in an auric mael before.

He untrappered me tho, so we're even

[grand jewel]

damn you got carried

[signal nebula]

Lol Cole just full mythical player status at this point

[north saddle]

The new map tests my patience, especially with people playing it.

I am of the opinion that you need to blitz it all the way to the bastion, and then make your heroic stand there. Especially over the open, crater ridden sequences you cannot afford to be drawn into long firefights, especially given that the specialist spawnpoints are at the corners and flood your with disabler nonsense every thirty seconds.

But, no, most people stand and fight and promptly get burstered/trappered or melted by the 5 reapers at the end of the map..... 💀🤦🏻

[true cosmos]

Should I bother using the secondary mode on either mark of the needle pistol at all?

[limber cradle]

Absolutely

[grand jewel]

yes

[limber cradle]

The secondary on MkII is bonkers

[grand jewel]

clears area gooder, unironically fine to shoot into groups because it can and will kill them

for not much ammo

[signal nebula]

And recharge your stimm

[grand jewel]

that too

[fervent gust]

Would it be better to have 60 mobility or 60 defense on a crowbar?

[signal nebula]

Assuming sample collector

[grand jewel]

mob

[signal nebula]

Mob

[radiant swift]

70 of each

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I'm aware.

[grand jewel]

100 defense

[limber cradle]

The hard part of havoc, ime, is the randoms.

[grand jewel]

depends

[true cosmos]

@grand jewel What about MKVI?

[main trellis]

If thats the case; you know where to find me

[grand jewel]

its fine, worse damage

better stagger

no chem stacks

[north saddle]

Also, anyone else experiencing fuckoff lag? My game feels like an epileptic seizure and a stroke had a meth love child

[grand jewel]

just makes them explode harder rather than do the chem toxin grenade explode

[limber cradle]

If i feel like dragging myself to 35 again, maybe. We will see.

[main trellis]

Remember when you got your own TS? We didn’t even tried or prepared we just got it for ya

[grand jewel]

only damage I took was stepping on a flamer backpack lmao

[limber cradle]

The last time i played havoc was off the free weekend, that shit left a worse taste in my mouth than 4 day old shrimp.

[grand jewel]

otherwise 0 damage vibe run

[north saddle]

Your thoughts on the new map? As Illustrated above, i hate how people play it.

[tender marten]

why did you eat four day old shrimp

[grand jewel]

got TS for so many people since then without even paying attention

[limber cradle]

Did not know at the time.

[main trellis]

I & my squad have 40s

[tender marten]

yuck

[true cosmos]

I feel like the explosions from the VI do very little stagger if any. Am I missing something?

[bronze glade]

nope

that's just how it is

[north saddle]

I havent played havoc 40 in ages. I just like my sanity too much

[grand jewel]

enemies you want it to stagger are likely too far away

[bronze glade]

the explosions barely do anything

[grand jewel]

and its also just mid

lmao

just use the 2

[lilac ermine]

When I got true survivor its with 3 randoms

[limber cradle]

I'm derated to 20 cause I decided to do anything but play havoc with randoms during rot armor.

[dim moth]

at least the full size bolter explosions do some amount of damage

[bronze glade]

6 = best for only primary fire
2 = if you walso want to use alt fire

[main trellis]

Its a nice skill check one; not easy

[grand jewel]

I like it

[blazing cove]

So with the dodge patch, is Nimble no longer a double edged take (helped for melee but wasn't great for ranged)

[limber cradle]

And then I played like 2 havocs and the randoms killed me shooting poxbursters and I went "I'll go play dispatch"

[grand jewel]

wish for it to some day be a havoc map cuz that would be a fucking mess

but it would be fun as hell

[main trellis]

You don’t get good ppl at 20

[north saddle]

Yeah, ive been on the recieving end of my teammates failing that skillcheck alot recently

[true cosmos]

So then do I just use the II's primary for isolated HVTs and the secondary for hordes?

[limber cradle]

Ik, but i can drag people around up to 24 unless they're literally killing me.

[neon mango]

my teammates brains immediately turn off on the big open sections of no mans land
it frustrates me to no end

[bronze glade]

i would only take the 2 on a build that has heavy investment on the bottom right and maybe pickpocket too

otherwise i just go 6 and not use alt fire

[grand jewel]

not even isolated, just shoot elites, specials and bosses with primary fire, special if you want or need to shoot a horde or a group

[north meteor]

My problem as a returning player is getting bad people in the 20s, but not being allowed to do 40s because my completion isn't 40

[north saddle]

I could write a PhD thesis on how people i played with fucked this sequence up....

[main trellis]

I can coach ya; see how you fare & correct any mistakes
Make you more confident & better

[grand jewel]

does it do more chem stacks than the 2?

[limber cradle]

I would unironically hate that, thank you.

[main trellis]

Just hit me up one day

[bronze glade]

+2 on weakspot/crit instead of +1 so effectively yes

[main trellis]

And here is your first obstacle; your own ego

[true cosmos]

Is the VI's primary fire any different from the II's?

[grand jewel]

neat

[main trellis]

Overcome it & you open the doors to betterness

[bronze glade]

just what i said above

+2 on weakspot/crit instead of +1

[limber cradle]

Nah brother, my obstacle is randoms not staying up on their own 2 legs.

[north saddle]

About what gun are we talking about ?

[grand jewel]

needle

[limber cradle]

And or literally exploding me with poxbursters

[tranquil berry]

3 legs...

[main trellis]

Won’t happen with us

[grand jewel]

comparing the 2

[neon mango]

when the randos suck thats just when you lock in the most smh

[main trellis]

Neither that will happen

[limber cradle]

Bro blew me up and went "I guess that's my fault" yeah Steve Urkel you did infact do that.

[lilac ermine]

Whos Steve Urkel

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/family-matters-steve-urkel-did-i-do-that-gif-3384808

[north meteor]

The only time I accidentally do this is when I have Voidblast

[limber cradle]

This guy

[tranquil berry]

Can't handle getting blown (up) by strangers...

[north meteor]

and I'm like "my b"

[lapis raft]

i just had someone who refused to go to the elevator and then when he finall decided to brough poxburster riht behind him from the corner xd

so much fun

[north meteor]

those and crushers in elevators is just a gg

[true cosmos]

Do weakspot crits add even more stacks?

[grand jewel]

yes

[tender marten]

noooo my miso soup spilled ;_;

[grand jewel]

skill issue

[north meteor]

miso sad for you

[grand jewel]

the duality of man

[north saddle]

I am torn on that gun. Not my playstile. And If i need a pistol style sidearm i usually use ye old reliable bolt pistol

[tranquil berry]

Shoulda dodged....

[grand jewel]

kills stuff

only thing I really care about lol

[north saddle]

Miso salty reading this 💀 🫠

[north saddle]

Valid argument

[grand jewel]

and it multi roles into boss damage while ALSO not requiring you to pay much attention to the boss while it does damage, with ALSO no investment lol

its great for melee build

great for toxin build

[bronze glade]

yeah needle is pretty cool

[limber cradle]

Needle pistol is insane ime

The ii

Not the vi

[grand jewel]

well, VI better for primary so both good

[tight musk]

Mk VI needle has slightly better yellow mode, Mk II needle has much better blue mode.

If you only care about yellow mode, go Mk VI, otherwise use Mk II.

[grand jewel]

as we've just conversed over

[north saddle]

Since we're talking about the needle pistol, what mark is better and what do the different firing modes (blue and yellow) do?

[tender marten]

idk i feel like the VI is just a very thematic revolver wannabe, whereas the II is an insane utilty pick especially if you are running Sample Collector, that shit is just a free farming machine

[sturdy linden]

ONE message above

ONE

[sullen ridge]

still no mod to prevent music from muting during desperado

[sturdy linden]

[sullen ridge]

its painfully real

[grand jewel]

2 splooges toxin on everyone 🤨
6 does bad explode

[grand jewel]

mutes in rampage too

[true cosmos]

Let me rephrase my previous question. You already said that the VI adds +2 stacks of toxin on weakspots and crits, and I understand that part. What I'm still wondering about is if a weakspot that's also a crit at the same time adds +4 stacks, or if it still only does +2 stacks.

[grand jewel]

come out of into warp traveller and get sad I missed a bunch of it

[sturdy linden]

+4 yes

[sullen ridge]

mk 6 for normal builds mk 2 for toxin leaning

[tender marten]

+4

genuinely i dont think the 6 serves any purpose especially if you are already running pickpocket (very likely)

the extra shots from the II to match the output of VI on a single target becomes an irrelevant cost

[sturdy linden]

the purpose is to full stack the boss in 3 shots and then solo it

or just dink 6 gunners in the head in a row with 1 shot each and duck behind a corner as they fall over

[bronze glade]

i mean sometimes i'm not taking sample collector or don't care about spreading tox

so i'm just using 6 for max primary fire tox stacks

[limber cradle]

I dont use the needle pistol with pickpocket tbh

I don't use pickpocket often on melee builds and I use the needle pistol entirely as a melee backup

[bronze glade]

yeah on most melee builds i'm not running pickpocket

and i'm not spamming alt fire just for tox kill procs

[tranquil berry]

Needle pistol excels as a sidearm for melee builds, where stacking more with the primary shot makes 1 tapping ranged things and 2 tapping bulwarks and max stacking bosses is better than wasting ammo on clearing poxwalkers

[limber cradle]

I shoot it at crushers in alt mode tbh, or other "damn I wish this bitch wasn't here" enemies.

[obsidian crown]

It’s easier to clutch bosses with needle since it’s DoT, that’s for sure

[limber cradle]

Automod please I'm calling crushers fat not people

[livid raven]

i think you should shoot at poxwalkers just to see the reaction of people who want to push them back when it explodes in their face

[obsidian crown]

Poxwalkers are the common enemies

Not poxbursters

[livid raven]

damn i misread

[true cosmos]

Alright, thank you for the information everyone.

[noble latch]

so, is this talent bad now?

since you can just dodge

[bronze glade]

well i guess it's still a pretty good source of regen

if you let yourself get hit by a shootert

[obsidian crown]

I still wouldn’t take nimble even with the changes tbh. That’s just me.

[noble latch]

ive kept nimble this whole time, its been great

[obsidian crown]

Yeah it’s preference

I don’t like it personally

[limber cradle]

Same

Nimble purists rise up

[noble latch]

nimble + jittery

always have dodge available

and dodge so far i can ledge myself

its awesome

im used to ogryns dodges feeling like molasses

these human class dodges are crazy

[limber cradle]

Its specifically scum tbh

Vet and Arb dodges do not feel great on most weapons they have, arb especially

[lilac ermine]

I switched nimble to melee slide dodge

[tender marten]

arb just blocks everything

[lilac ermine]

Do I switch back

[tender marten]

vet has strong af dodges from wepspec and zealot as well from IJ

but scum has it as a bare talent that is passively active at all times so

[limber cradle]

Yeah, that's probably it

+a lot of scum weapons have good mobi

They should give us a mf polearm

[livid raven]

again

[tender marten]

i cant stop fucken thinking about stalingrad. i think im traumatized from this documentary.

[livid raven]

in lore hivescum do use powerspears

[limber cradle]

They have a lot of wacky stuff

[livid raven]

of course fatshark goes for the easy shit

apart from the bonesaw, everything else is just kinda safe

[tight musk]

Arbites have so much stagger and toughness replenishment that they don't really need good dodges against most enemies, tbh.

[limber cradle]

I'm not saying they do

Christ

[livid raven]

Arb has baseline bad dodges

[lilac ermine]

Psword vet has no dodge

[limber cradle]

This was it

[knotty cipher]

this class is insanely tanky

[tight musk]

Maybe I should play some arbites. Gonna generate 3 billion units of toughness every nanosecond.

[main trellis]

Obv

[limber cradle]

I really need to get up and cook

[pallid quail]

sounds like a waste of time tbh

[limber cradle]

Nah, is good. One of the few things I actually like to do in life.

[pallid quail]

just grab a bang energy drink from your bedside mini fridge quit your job n play barktide all day

[limber cradle]

That sounds like a nice way to end up rope shopping at home depot.

[pallid quail]

mfw i realize i forgot to buy more of them bang energy drinks

[spice mural]

No but house cawdor has this thing.

[pallid quail]

wtf is that

[spice mural]

A homemade blunderbuss with a crude spear attachment.

[pallid quail]

appears to be a billhook bayonet

[limber cradle]

Homemade custodes spear

[limber cradle]

That is not a power spear lmao

[spice mural]

They have autogun versions to.

My point being, gangers using polearms in the setting is canon and represented.

[idle ore]

Can a knower please explain what is going on with dodging rn

Like it’s too effective, but how much more effective

[neon mango]

with the lingering dodge iframes after a slide, you can be functionally immune to bullets

except ogryn

[mighty belfry]

Dodge linger before patch did not affect ranged attacks, therefore making it feel as though ranged attacks would be hitting you when you thought they shouldn't.

[radiant swift]

dodge linger is a small winder after you finish dodging where you are still in the dodge state

it's like .2 seconds or smthing

[mighty belfry]

Now it does with Nimble, presumably meaning that extra time considered dodging is now consistent for both forms of attack

[young herald]

TLDR, fatshark approximately doubled the duration of the ranged immunity from dodging

[young herald]

nimble has nothing to do with this change, to be clear

[novel oracle]

IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF

[young herald]

it applies with and without nimble, and to all classes to boot (except ogryn, because ogre doesn't get dodge linger)

[urban pecan]

anyone know a good bonesaw build?

[mighty belfry]

So then this was a full on rebalance of dodging lmao

[young herald]

it was a fundamental rebalance of all ranged enemies, yes

[mighty belfry]

That's unexpected.

[young herald]

it's incredibly stupid

[lilac ermine]

#hivescum-class message

[young herald]

fatshark very clearly did not test it internally for any significant amount of time

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[mighty belfry]

Wait yeah that would mean

[novel oracle]

The entire game just broken in an instant

[young herald]

accurate

[bronze glade]

they've got vacation to go on

[novel oracle]

And its gonna be like this for over a month

[trim wind]

the consequences of nimble

[bronze glade]

aint nobody got time for this

[novel oracle]

People are going to be so pissed when ranged enemies can damage them again

We're literally going to see a review bomb from this

[young herald]

while you're right, in fairness, most of the people who would bitch about such a thing barely touch the dodge button anyway

[trim wind]

game is too hard, enemies can hit me now?!

[young herald]

fr though, I genuinely did not believe they had made this change for multiple hours after the patch went live

it's so monumentally stupid

[novel oracle]

I replied to someone asking if nimble was fixed saying why it was "bugged" and that they wouldn't change how the core mechanics of dodges work just to accommodate for a single talent

BUT GUESS IM JUST STUPID

[mighty belfry]

Welp.

That's awkward.

[novel oracle]

Maybe that validates my opinion on why that wasnt a good idea

But still

[urban pecan]

doesanyone know a good bonesaw build for the class, im struggling to maek it work

[novel oracle]

Is it getting stuck too much in groups of enemies?

[urban pecan]

yeah

[lilac ermine]

So u were wrong

[hasty agate]

Cartel special doesn’t start ticking the cooldown until after the effect wares off, correct?

[novel oracle]

Take the shock and awe blessing and battering strikes talent

Hitmass and cleave are multiplicitive and youll see results almost instantly

[urban pecan]

what minor blessings would you rec?

[novel oracle]

If youre taking rampage, it goes even further cuz power is also multiplicitive with cleave

[young herald]

correct, same for rampage and desperado

[novel oracle]

Perks?

[final temple]

unless by way of stimm supply. then it starts ticking immediatly iirc

[urban pecan]

yeah those, sorry XD

[novel oracle]

Unyielding and carapace

[radiant swift]

tbf idk if they intended too

[young herald]

oh they intended to

and then the community saw it, instantly recognized the problem, and FS went "...oh. We fucked up."

[final temple]

for bs? unyielding and flak. it’s atrocious against flak.

[urban pecan]

is it relentless strikes on the saw, because battering aint there

[noble latch]

yeah the change suprised me, and using it ingame its pretty crazy

you can just keep dodging

[novel oracle]

Talent, not blessing

[rose flax]

This is a horrifying change to get used to

[urban pecan]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[north saddle]

If you look at the time stamp of the messages you see that i sent this very question the same moment the above post was sent. At the pace discord was going it escaped me especially since i logged off the second after i hit send....

So how about you read a bit more carefully instead of immediatedly being judgemental....

[lilac ermine]

Some ppl 🙂‍↔️

Rude af

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-agent-bulletproof-speed-gif-7432265

[near mauve]

brother how spaghetti is this game

everytime they change something they bug something

actually hilarious asf

[novel oracle]

Unlike anything else

[pallid quail]

destiny ?

[near mauve]

the spaghettiest of them all

[noble latch]

people on the forums are asking for fatshark to undo the hotfix

[near mauve]

might as well tbh

just rollback

[lilac ermine]

Bc plasma and psykers is more of problem

[dim moth]

Oh they definitely intended to they just didn't foresee the consequences of it

[limber cradle]

Power scalers talking about how we can't kill a plague marine when a simple hive scummer is so powerful they rewrite the game around them.

[lilac ermine]

Lagging the game and making unplayable is worse then dodging ranged

[near mauve]

bro a rampage hive scum no diffs Big E

and his grey knights

[tranquil berry]

I think it's time to throw away the rotten pasta bowl that is this game... Too broken

[near mauve]

and his custodes

[high gull]

Not just that

[limber cradle]

If they sent 10,000 scum into the webway things would be different I'm just sayin

[high gull]

Some random druggy doing full on sprints while carrying 3 rpgs

Mag upon mag of ammo

And two mac 10s

[radiant swift]

ripping apart carapace with toothpicks

[high gull]

And a melee

[pallid quail]

grizz im dragging u into havoc later

[leaden fable]

and unlimited stims

[pallid quail]

were gonna have a jolly old time

[high gull]

Buddy making chemical bombs that kill walking bio-terrorist.

[tranquil berry]

Is that a threat?

[high gull]

Like yeah bruh

[pallid quail]

its a promise

[high gull]

A hive scum can snap a plague marine like a twig

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[limber cradle]

Fuck it bro bring out nurgle, I'm about to make the warp have 3 gods.

[tranquil berry]

Warning: I haven't been able to play havoc this season cause every time i start getting massive screen freezing and stuttering and chain-crash in the second half of the mission. Did 3 havocs, happened every time

[high gull]

Hive scum is funny as fuck

[hasty agate]

Does Sample Collector work as simply as you would expect it to or is there some fatshark jank involved in how it works?

[tranquil berry]

Aurics fine, havoc crashes

[high gull]

We're winning bio chemical war fare against daemons and god blessed beings

With our own bio chemicals

Fucking uno reverse card

[tranquil berry]

There is always fatshark jank

[tranquil berry]

If you think there isn't, you just haven't found it yet

[final temple]

to be fair, needler with stripped down already made you ranged immune

[tranquil berry]

3 things are certain in life: death, taxes and fatshark is bad at software

[limber cradle]

I find this shit wildly funny tbh

[tight musk]

Oh god, I forgot how fucking slow arbites is.

[limber cradle]

Nids had to have an arms race with DG at a molecular level iirc to adapt to the poison

My coke based lifeform?

[high gull]

Buddy said

[hasty agate]

So let’s assume a 45s cooldown on cartel special with sample collector and it ends. In 1 second after it ends, if I killed 100 enemies with a rocket it would come right back up. ?

[high gull]

"Two can play at that game"

[limber cradle]

The humble needle pistol in my hands about to DoT a chaos gods daemonic manifestation

[astral canyon]

Turns out you can out-plague the nurgle

[noble latch]

good question, ill see if i can test in the meat grinder

[hasty agate]

That’s how it should work if it’s supposed to do what it says it does.

[trim wind]

sample collector works as advertised

[pallid quail]

idk dude maybe they fixed it today

[high gull]

Sure they may not be able to feel pain

[versed spruce]

Enough bleach kills most things

[high gull]

But guess what

[versed spruce]

[high gull]

That acidic compound in my metal tin can can still dissolve your body

[brittle sierra]

New patch today?

[high gull]

I don't care if you can feel that shit or not

[tranquil berry]

worth a shot... just warning you that I might be a liability if that shit keeps happening

[brittle sierra]

Also Path cooked up something for dot build

What if you take close proximity with bolt pistol and use flash grenade to get more of the horde

[urban pecan]

does mobility impact attack speed?

[noble latch]

yes, you get it back instantly i do believe

if the meat grinder is to be trusted

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-neo-keanu-reeves-the-matrix-back-bend-gif-22197126

[hasty agate]

So you did it then?

[young herald]

if you go into your inventory, select the weapon, hit "inspect" and then mouse over the mobility bar, you can see what the stat effects

[zenith fern]

this shit sounds is gonna be busted as fuck

[silver mural]

Our needler is fulled with hand sanitizer

[zenith fern]

oops LMAO

[tranquil berry]

sample collector restores cooldown per kill not hit, so yes

[zenith fern]

Did not mean to copy the image

[tranquil berry]

there is one consideration for sample collector

it should stack multiplicatively on itself with consecutive kills

so 100 kills simultaneously might still apply them consecutively, so 1% on the first kill, and 1% of the remaining on the next one, and so on

[brittle sierra]

Thank you 👍

[tranquil berry]

which would not mean 100 kills at once means instance reset

[young herald]

sample collector works off maximum cooldown, not current cooldown

according to kuli anyway

[tranquil berry]

does it?

[hasty agate]

Yeah that guy just did it

[lapis raft]

if it was 1% of remaining cooldown it would be pretty shit :d

[vestal perch]

What are the normal blessings for tac axe?

[tranquil berry]

ok then, guess it's just stupid strong then

[young herald]

it is indeed

[noble latch]

like a lot of things

[young herald]

it's a must-take with any kind of toxin in your build

even without, it's very strong

[tranquil berry]

yeah, power creep is real

[noble latch]

its not even creeping at this point

its a massive leap

[tranquil berry]

skinny lil scum gets 4 noob-tubes with booms bigger and better than the oggy nuke... who only has the one....

[young herald]

it's okay, they gave us ranged dodge linger to compensate

[trim wind]

even without toxin in a real game you can get a max stimm down to 20-30 seconds cd

[tranquil berry]

turning this game into vermintide by turning off ranged threats was an interesting choice

[warped grove]

I have come to preach the gospel of the Stimm Crate in havoc

[young herald]

indeed

[tranquil berry]

also, I love how they're excusing and patching their repeated bugs with the "experimental" changes to dodging... who the hell allowed experimental changes on the live build of the game?

[warped grove]

I mean like 50% of deaths are still ranged id imagine considering how I watch my teammates get mowed down by reapers and gunners

[tranquil berry]

as a software engineer, I'd fire that dude immediately. you don't test on live

[clever wren]

Ranged enemy strength oscillates on a regular cycle

[final temple]

never heard of ‘fuck it, we are doing it on Live’? xD

[clever wren]

Games industry in current year

[noble latch]

we are ALL playtesters, we are a family

[tranquil berry]

I have, on a few occasions, and immediately ignored the idiot that said it and tested things in... wait for it... a test environment!

[final temple]

the real test environment is the customers we lost on the hotfix.

[high gull]

Where's my fancy player portrait and title then

[noble latch]

they stopped making those sorry

just ran out of stock

[clever wren]

Can I interest you in this helmet with a literal Beta on it

[tranquil berry]

test engineer is an actual job... that people get payed for... why are we paying for the privilege of doing that job? feels backwards....

[high gull]

I'm gonna evaporate