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the big fuck you All Seeing I symbol is so funny to me
its like
extra measure to make sure
Wait, where are those pants from, I can't find them in the list
the local Arby doesnt frag you 
They aren't avalible
ok that explains it
Why is this green?
They're the base model for the gang pants
It's the base model
string not found is my fav designer
is this unreleased cosmetic?
I'd like some of the chunky armored breastplates we saw in concept art.
If you don't fistbump Royd I don't fuck with you, I've decided. Idk how you look at the average Samoan and don't do it.
No it's the base version of the jacket
best I can do is armored bdsm gear
Neat, prefer the color we got tho tbh
he doesnt fist bump you later too ๐
Nah, heartbreaking
Whats a little hand touching at the urinals
ikr
Lmfao
String not found...
The balding skull cap
steel skull
its p good
the cyber mastiff has the worst body horror
I really like the way my scum look overall already, tbh. They did good work on both arbites and scum.
they messed that dog up
It's just base model cosmetics that never got released
hey wait a minute
Which means they will be cash shop
I like this...
ew
All the outfits scum has, there's a bland, non-gang affiliated version
Which is just like a brownish color
That's the base model version
what set you from
the ganger said to the pedestrian just trying to walk home
but then how would everyone know I love trains
What colors you repping gang
do that Show walk right quick
I ain't ever heard of no
Wonder how many of these are just the base models before the actual color textures were applied, and not unreleased recolors.
anyone tried out the assault chainsword?
Is good on Scummer
While leveling. It was usable on hordes. Horrible vs armor, though I didn't have much rending yet
The cap on targets really fucks it
very good horde clear
it can only hit 4 targets max
yea, seems shit on armor unless i hit my f
Similar story to Heavy Sword, Rampage/Adrenaline and HV makes it pretty damn strong
i don't think it ever had a cleave cap
What sucks ass is
No? Might be thinking of evisc
The recent hotfix added the enforcers outfit recolors for the other classes
And HS didn't get any new cosmetics added
if only you could put toxin/rending on all weapons ๐
yeah i don't believe so, the horde clear is exceptional, nearly rashad levels
That also no longer has a cap iirc
no..
i know, but scum can dream
You uhh... can already do that
Really...
Particularly on Chainsword
meant the passive wipe that you get on the bone saw
any advice for getting that Brutal Bludgeons penance? lol i still only have 124
and ive tried a lot of builds
37.5% stacks of brittleness in 5 hits is already strong yep
Take every cleave perk, use a crowbar ime
Chainsword kind of feels like worse chainaxe. Mind you, outside of rampage, the chaxe is going to feel like you're swinging a minivan, but thats what we have stimms for. If you get some attack speed behind it, it fucks everything
i fgured but i feel like the little shits keeps slapping my face when i heavy, guess ill just have adjust
chaxe definitely fucks
Yeah, it's come back into favor after that buff, and frontloaded revved attacks on non-ogryn targets. Might be non-carapace, but I recall big bursts against everything that isn't a crusher
we get enough attack spd with 2 +3 stam curios
2 +3 stam curios is gambling
Chaxe can kill crushers if you can stand still long enough for the rev though. Chainsword doesn't have nearly the same potency
also 400 rating +3 stam is just a lie
(you can also put stamina on the weapon perks if you're feeling especially chromosomey)
a true +3 is at 410+
Exactly.
i've been running 9 stam
I think even a 410 has a chance to be fake
but i think it's really only worth it on shivs lol
lmao
I wish we got heavy stubbers for Scum, Vet and maybe Zealot.
Would be weird for a Psyker to have a machinegun I think.
not really gambling. just take Chem dependency and you are a literal tank with crazy dodge recovery
You can tell really easily by looking at how many stacks you get in the meat grinder
Heavy Stubber for Scum/Zealot would've gone crazy lol
I would absolutely try this if I could get the curios for it
thats like firing an autocannon. no way they can carry that lol
it's highly entertaining
arbites have it in their table top kit
I raise you...anabolic steroids
@limber cradle
I think if we got heavy stubber on the human classes it would be for vet and arbites
They have human sized ones.
Welp, its that point in the evening where i go to solo mode because pugs are beyond terrible
Maybe scum but i dont see zealot or psyker getting them
Big (but otherwise normal) humans can fire autocannons from the hip
Humans in 40k are stronger then humans irl.
||She doesn't want to be evil, she just doesn't know better||
thats an ogryn in disguise
Also ngl ogryn's own hstubbers shouldve been more like assault rifles imo
The light one kind of is.
I play zealot heavily and I don't think h stubber fits. Melta or combi gun though. . .
Or some kind of crossbow shit that mimics the needler and relentlessly fucks daemon hosts with extreme prejudice
I raise you all a Harker
Scum has base 3 stamina. You can figure out if the curio is fake by going into the psykhanium and seeing how many stacks of Swift Endurance pop up at the bottom. You'll get 1 for each Stamina. If you know the stamina of the weapon you're using you can tell if its real. AUtopistols are easiest, they have 1 stam.
Heavy bolter my beloved
Yeah I don't know if zealots typically carry that type of weapon, especially since they're meant to be the melee dude. Seems more like Vet or HS weapon.
i wouldnt mind a lasgun variety of sorts
buff infantry lasgun
heavy las pistol would go hard
Give me double plasma pistols
Give ogryn a las cannon
Would be nice if the most iconic guard weapon wasn't terrible.
extended clip rapid fire 1911
i'd even take a normal one, but give it extra finesse and a very fast reload
glock 17 aaah
to make up for the 7 round mag
drum mag glock
ig that's SAP basically
we gotta gang up and tell them to do it seriously
Lol, I think you mean a 40,011
this needs to be execution stance lol
G18c with extended mag would be nice. Maybe could be a shredder variant.
Double the chance to spontaneously detonate!
Fun fact
๐ฐ
Munda plasma pistols are safer than 40k ones lol
Cause you have an ammo check roll on a 1 instead of haha death
i wouldn't dump collat on SAP
did you think this was my choice
tell brunt to fuck hismelf
Makes sense, actually. Plasma guns would be expensive and hard to get in necromunda so you'd want to make them less likely to destroy themselves in the hands of a careless dipshit, whereas in the guard, you can just bug the magos for another fifty
iodk
unless you're Van Saar
In which case you have fucking exosuits and shit
and can just print DAOT shit
with your STC
(which means your plasma guns will be higher quality anyway)
anyway im thinking my chem build's really falling off compared to everyone else and maybe ik why but maybe i dont
It's funny to me that modern competition 2011s can already carry 20 rounds with a small mag extension. 7 rounds on the darktide stub pistols is annoyingly 1 less round than actual o.g. 1911s held per mag.
ik i have to get more mastery on my saw and pistol but damn even with a low level tac axe my melee build's done auric maelstrom
the mag economy on the dual stubs is pretty shit
not evne transcendent
i don't get why the mag is so small
esp in a game where mag sizes are very exaggerated
It's unnecessary to balance them too
yeah
i mean we get assault rifles with 60 round mags
but a pistol with more than 7 rounds?
that's going too far!
just feels like the checm build falls off hard for no reason
wats a chem build
I think 10 rounds per stub pistol mag isn't too much to ask for.
chem toxin, stimm supply, bone saw and needle pistol build
its also the build i have adrenaline frenzy designated on, chem dependency is on my melee build
I think 17-20 per magazine would be fine.
And extremely grounded
and my desperado build come to think of it
if you want to post the build i'm sure people can look at it
im sad the build sucks cause it has my favorite drip lmfao
Honestly get rid of one gun and increase ammo count as a second mark
or let me put a switch on it

offtopic but the choice between these two are painful
Assasins creed
@broken bear Sometimes it's hard to walk away from the desperado build and play something else
i'd say too many nodes in the center bottom, keystone and bottom
you should basically never skip practiced deployment no, its like the most important node on crate
Why not both? Just swap whenever you feel like it
This makes it really easy for me lol
even wehn you are bug abusing you dont skip practiced deployment i dont think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBLEWMsBRsQ&t=643si i pulled the build off this
Hi, thank you for your time. I wanted to make these but I need to focus on the Crowbar, Shivs and Needlepistol. I appreciate your patience with the reduced editing quality. I figured people probably needed some help getting value out of the class and I can provide it.
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You can but despardo might not do much but it boosts what your mostly doing anyway
wow shredder autopistol finally feels good by using Desperado scum
yea i think looking at vid from 2 days after the class release is gonna be pretty useless (especially when they fixed bunch of stuff bunch of days after)
hey SAP was good on vet too
i won't stand for this SAP slander
well there isnt a lot of build videos out now so
i liked it as a sidearm on psyker just to be immune to bullets
better sit down then... the slander is happening
unfortunately im in the blind and that's frustrating
it's good on psyker too
Sayin the Shredder is bad now Scum is a thing is quite the uhh... bad take
i think they're saying it's good
yea i think im dropping quick and deadly this thing is garbage :d
wanted to give it a chance with knife instead of shiv to fix some clear issues but nah
is that uptime?
i wonder if the uptime mod is bugged
it keeps showing 20-30% uptime
ok ive just slapped together smth randomly
for butterfly
and yeah quick and deadly is ass
butterfly i'm more on the fence about
Isnt Quick and Deadly all damage tho?
yea uptime in my mod, i just reworkde how its tracked so was tessting it
kinda shit for the proc condition and duration
is it based on time in combat?
yea purely in combat
the what
nice
the one under the aura
but was adding trigger condition for the combat whwere it starts even when enemy attacks me not only me attacking enemy
it's useless with stimm supply
guess i'll use blessed stims
don't need that either
stimm supply already clears corruption
yea dont think i would click node that says 7% damage
alirght fuck it
Spending a whole point on corruption cleanse from stim, even without stim supply is kinda a waste tbh
and with stimm supply it doesnt even work xd
my whole goal's to cleave everybodt to death, use the needle pistol to DoT big guys
Was it you that got 45% uptime on butterfly earlier?
i dont think so
Well someone did
yea sounds about right, expected a bit less even on average but at 45-50% 1 point for 10% crit is worth i think
It gives 20%
if it has ~50% uptime on average then its 10%
i need more cleave to get more enemies chemmed
however i can swap punching above one's weight for that
Except it's 20% when you need it. And just 0 when you don't.
Averaging means nothing tbh
There is some very weird thought patterns going on in here tonight
yeah lmao
I would uhh.. not be using an uptime mod to make a build personally because it misses all the nuance of how things work ingame
As K33t points out, a number of things are gonna be active when you need them, and not when you dont
i mean i do think it's worth considering
Uptime gives the value while in combat IIRC
Its not worth ignoring, but in here it reads like its the be-all end all
according to the author
Which is uhh, not the case
well clearly it isnt
Well, it's riposte for 3s. And 3s that's long tbh. Especially on a fast attacking class.
half the duration of riposte tho
for a talent that's a really short duration
Can argue the same for Quick + Deadly. 15% damage for 3s isnt a lot in a vaccum, but when you've got 7 ragers in front of you that you now how to dodge and kill, any damage boost is a good damage boost
You value from skills like that and Butterfly are also partly based on how you play
well the important thing is mostly if i can click something better instead
and not if i just dont click anything
quick and deadly is genuinely pretty ass tho
obviously
If you're push-heavy, you're gonna see less value from such skills for example
If you dodging something shits probably a little fucked and you want the damage
Oo how so?
if you not then your not being pressured likley
because it had similar numbers even when i was tracking only myself doing damage, so it wasnt up all the time when i actually did needed it
Well it's also a boost on your dots
So your problem is the uptime during combat
for one tick lmfao
yea, and the crit uptime matters a lot for a lot of what hive scum does
congratulations! your 3 stacks of chem toxin will now deal 5 more damage
crit chance is way more meaningful
like i dont crit i dont get toxin i suddenly dont get bonus from the base damage node either etc
As long as you can refresh it 
I don't take it tbh, i don't have enough points
Nothing like being wildly reductive because you dont see the value in something eh? ๐
i mean yeah but not much refreshing going on if it's constantly less than 50% uptime
there's just way better options to take
ok with my new build im noticeably better
good
just gotta learn how to use stimm supply properly and get the muscle memory fixed for the bonesaw but yeah
actually now that i think about it
well you just spam stimm supply and thats about it unless you are doing the stimm into supply thing
how's this stimm
the end points in the str tree are like the strongest ones so would take them over the the 2 as ones
So...for the stub pistols, what blessing perks are good on it?
best options outside of desp are prob sustained fire and run n gun
desperado can be ok too
The .45s?
Yeah, run and gun+sustained ime
wuh
I saw someone use braced auto desperado and rlly good
the rending/finesse/crit ones
ok so do i use rending finesse or crit
i assume finesse because you want huge attack speed on the bonesaw
Sustained fire. Flak+Unyielding ime, I imagine maniacs also works.
finesse as a buff doesn't impact attack speed
i'd go rending or crit
i know im not the first here at this but i made some changes to my havoc 40 tested hive scum build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08a8238-a34f-4ddf-ba12-d8a126af698a/scum-go-brrrrrr-havoc-40-tested
if i did my math right desperado comes up every 17ish secs right about the time your stem is falling off
hope this helps some one
I do look regularly at my crit values during combat and the effect is real in my case. I do dodge a lot tho.
Might give it a try
i mean i think butterfly is prob fine
it's the damage talent that i think is kinda crap
Well, thing is I usually take sweet spot with taxe / shivs and now I'm wondering if quick and deadly would be better.
Because it's a flat dmg increase that's kinda predictable
Do you use rampage shout?
the shout debuffs enemies.
That's not a rampage build you linked
that plus sth like chem fortified largely compensates for rampage withdrawal
the more I play it, the more I like melee scum
taxe with hyper critical feels great
How does one get toughness back when using the cartel stim? For the penace, I mean
use it when you arent at full toughness
go mortis trials. have no other toughness regen talent. skill upper left stimm branch. take 25% toughness node. get hit. use stimm. repeat.
just played with a dude running desperado with double barrel and combat knife.. went crazy lmfao
highly highly highly recommend adrenaline smiter
especially for saw
But what about taxe bm + hv?
the only targets you are overkilling with Taxe are human sized ones
yeah and you can use that overkill to buff attacks into things that are not being one shot, human sized or not
and brutal momentum specifically takes that buildup and damage buff to the next level
Do the hive scum have all the normal hairstyles in addition to its unique ones ? Those akimbos are looking naughty at me..
ik this is heavy sword but the idea is still the same
Good.
bromentum always brings things upwards... its like... the best blessing in the game lol
so.. consider it over BS above it?
lol
if you had to choose
BS?
battering strikes
Yeah
any weapon with bm doesnt really need more cleave
with rampage and stuff too you already have tons of extra power so thats already getting you super far
it has some merit cuz of hyper violence
but not enough to go out of your way for due to the power you get just also doing that already
I was looking at the build I recommended. Hence me asking.
That would be with your feedback so far. Saw with SnA
oh that one
saw really likes that cleave
i think you could definitely drop elite damage for it ngl
pathing would be intact, and i always consider elite damage and other +15% damage nodes first to drop to take something else that makes a build function better as a whole
smiter is literally a godsent
thats 6 enemies or 2 elites to proc adrenaline
for 20s
i personally dont use the lower cleave node, but thats with a rampage build which has both power and cleave in the ability so its probably still worthwhile on a crate build
Adrenaline wants 30 stacks. smiter gives iirc 10 per elite.
it gives ***+***10 on an elite kill
but non-killing blows grant none?
base keystone gives 1 on a hit right
this node removes that for non killing blows, so it still gives 1 on hit for hits that do kill
it gives 4 more for kills, so 5 on kill
then add 10 more if it was an elite
what is better with dumdum on vraks infantry, fire frenzy or deathspitter?
deathspitter
oh. OH.
Damage vs power/strength basically
okay.
Latter is damage plus stagger plus cleave
heavy sword again but you can see how fast it stacks up here
Smiter basically gives permanent uptime in dense fights, and still allows it to stay active when youre getting few kills like against a boss with scattered enemies or pure walls of armor
only downside then no stacking on bosses while wailing at em xD
Yeah but if it's just the boss and nothing else bothering you
yeah but it lasts 20s, and you often will kill a few enemies that are just around
yeah. no big deal by itself. good recommendation, thanks!
I wonder how it works with the shivs though
Do the heavy overheads and stabs count as 2 hits without Smiter?
i think the benefits are just too high vs the cons on every weapon
i dont believe so
I would use adrenaline more, but I like not needing to actively think about saving my stim for after rampage ends to get CDR (I like having strength buffs on my stim regardless of build, and end up instinctively using it as soon as its available to keep up the strength, movespeed and AS buffs from it)
I have one melee build with adrenaline though, but mainly just use my second one with chem dependency
May I have a peek what this beauty of a build this is?
its the one in pins
Ahh that one I see
heavy sword just gets giga juiced with rampage and hyper violence
and rampage can give it 25% rending
so uh
Same with Devil claw?
devils claw wants some cleave but otherwise its similar
the parry is considered a heavy attack so the heavy attack rending works on it too
If only crushers werenโt such a pain with hsword, even with 25% bonus rendingโฆ
did you not see the video i just sent
smh
clearly not enough TTK like DS smh
true this weapon sucks 
it only kills everything besides crushers, maulers, and bosses significantly faster
Been so long since used hsword but in this clip you kept chaining heavies with special?
thats a big thing for the 7 a lot of the time which is this one
its the ideal combo for a bm 7 into mixed hordes because you just abuse the high single target damage of both attacks and the fact that theyre super angled
I am just too used to rashad levels of baseline armour damage igโฆ
yeah
that was kinda their thing actually
they were made to be big damage chunkers into everything, including armor
but have absolutely no cleave whatsoev- oh fatshark invented brutal momentum
I think I use Battering Strikes on my rashad melee scum build to get more cleave more reliably if I somehow fail to get BM procsโฆ
with rampage + the power/cleave rampage node?
Yes
well you do start to get a bit of cleave there, going from 1.5 to 5.25 cuz thats a lot of stat juicing
thats enough to hit 4 poxwalkers]
and 2 gunners (just barely, if it is all capped out at max stacks of everything)
Is there much point in continuing to run that if you have weapon that has an ignore hitmass/- hitmass blessing?
whats the highest RoF weapon among hivescum ranged?
Did the bots survive?
Dual Autos iirc
yea i figured
just wanted to check that there wasn't a mark of autogun that was faster
does the special count as a heavy attack or a light attack?
The only one that would be close would be the Graia BAG (whilst braced), think second fastest all round is probably the Shredder
I dont think they count as either on the TacAxe
They don't get the increased crit chance during the swing
could just get a stopwatch and check how long it takes to empty mag, divide the time by the magazine capacity and you get an approximated value for RPM, although for a lot of these the number is already out there somewhere, probably in that old veteran weapons guide
when paired together they scale super hard which makes the saw a cleaving monster into basically anything
which is really valuable considering it forces toxin on everyhing it hits
Yeah, you probably could, but its either gonna be slightly under/over the Shredder I would bet, don't think it will beat Dual Autos
What does strength stat do for ranged weapons?
Makes sense, but not so much for stuff with BM or Heavy Sword with Deathblow?
same thing as it does for melee, increased damage (multiplicative with other modifiers so it can stack absurdly with other damage% buffs), cleave and stagger. not sure if it affects suppression values.
Ranged has no cleave though right?
Ranged stuff does indeed, but it varies as much as it does on melee
Some have basically none, others have a substantial amount
Even Scum's 'zooka has cleave ๐
h sword?
amirite
shoot many heretic with one boolet
or allow it to penetrae targets?
not really, it already has good cleave and the power is enough
I would guess all offensive special attacks work as their own thing
so.....it can do like a deadpool lineup thing?
Alright, good lookin out
Effectively, you can collateral several enemies if your ranged weapon has good cleave
There is also the Manstopper blessing for Shotguns which allows your weapon to have infinite cleave
same thing melee cleave does
it will pass through the enemy if the remaining cleave of the shot exceeds the hitmass of the enemy
ofc not I killed them off.
what is better combat knife or shivs and what do you think about dual stub pistols
Both Shiv and Knife are good, just at different things
looks at the barrels
Stub Pistols are super cool and decent sidepieces also, you can main them if you're a degenerate that wants to play Desperado, but they will be more demanding than DAP's, so most people dont
yeah you actually have to aim with them in desperado
with DAPS you just go
You need better positioning too
i preffer thr infantry autogun vraks mk5 it is just crazy
Yeah... I will be hugely surprised if Desperado and some of the supporting talents don't get taken out the back and bent over with nerfs in the coming months
the biggest stinker with stub pistols is i feel shoehorned to use run and gun on them because you can't run n gun by default
it's a bit unfair
do you use pickpovket with merle build?
Ehhh, I could agree with Speedload, but not with Run'N'Gun
Just slide at the enemy lol
run and gun for more precision
No, some probably do, but imo thats too point intensive
i use hypercritical and hyperviplence
i could pass it on to see if it can be a baked in thing
cuz id fuck with that heavy as well
It would be cool
Though I hope you're also passing on removing ranged immunity/VD and Pickpocket aswell ๐
Is it non meta to use DAP without Desperado?
No lol
ranged immunity removed, but you get 25-75% range damage reduction, supression and knockback immunity
Suppression and (ranged) knockback immunity, absolutely fine, but anything more than 25% ranged DR would still be very broken
i let fatshark some leeway for testing
Vulture's Dodge needs a full rework into a totally different effect and Pickpocket needs like a 20s ICD tho imo
what do you think about iag vraks mk5 with gunslinger
Its undoubtebly very good, but I dont like IAGs personally
mister e means shredder is good on this class is this a joke?
No, Shredder is effectively a sidegrade to the Dual Autopistols, its very good
... gonna give this a try on this class only
i dislike low precision weapons normally so i never use it on zealot or vet
its actually the more accurate version of the dual autos
i personally think it has less damage but its still one of the best weapons to use on ranged scum
Shredders long awaited day in the sun after being shot dead and going through rehab
i use so often iags mark 1 and 5
Lmao
did today finally the 1k heavy attack kills while stimmed man this was annoying
i got it lv41 or so
Just play something that uses heavies for clear
Its the toughness one that takes ages
I only ever use Vraks on my Despacito Scum
but i did anything else before and mastered all weapons
I'm just not doing it
monsters look disgusted at you
750 hours and I haven't used stuns once since getting past level 6 or whatever
You're not alone lol, I so can't be bothered, even if you can cheese it with toughness regen on curios and a tox bomber
Well, and a teammate whos wiling to stand near it
speaking what is more common on Stimm mixtures, do people go with a less effective but more things or do the right where they just all in on a tree
( just some examples )
i stimmed sometimes while i was thoughness broken and have it with damage or speed normally
Seems to be more common to take two full lines, but there are people taking a mix and some just taking one line
i see
mortis trials. short cd stimm pack. all nodes supply. sample collector. near constant uptime and a sufficient amount of targets.
Mortis trials is a dead gamemode
i see it the same way
itโs specifically good for these penances and effectively quicker than running normal missions
for the penances
Its just a bit of an undercooked gamemode too
Chaos wastes was amazingly fun before they nerfed the best blessings. It was fun getting insanely op on god runs.
had one rune with my Brother had alltime over 30skellies as necro
There is no wrong time to activate a shrine
You know what, you're right
Either it's an instant run ender button so you can go next, or it's a fun distraction
go through enemies
i had once 2 shrines at once it is exhausting
does the needle pistol damage doesnt matter?
someone told me damage stat didnt mattered because that only affected the damage of the needle shot not the poison itself
ye needle fent distributer has damage as dump stat
everything except ammo doesn't matter
I got 2 needlers with stability dump. Another stat that doesn't really do much for it.
ammo always first fr
if I'm going stim supply I usually take attack speed line with the movement speed node and the power line with either the rending or crit node. if I'm running a non dependency build I usually just settle for a CDR only stim with a melee CD or ranged CD node but on some builds I put only 3 points into CD with power+rending if I can afford it. On a lot of dependency builds just because I prefer having my stim available often I go power with rending subnodes (on occasion crit chance). generally the only branch that is a bit mediocre is top left imo. also a lot of this is down to preference and changes with each build.
rlly tho build dependant
Top left line is indeed very bad
its because Im testing the needle on the meat grinder and I have one needle with 20% damage and the other one with 63% damage, the 20% damage one deals 3 damage on the needle and 169 poison damage on the crusher but the 63% one deals 4 damage on the needle and 211 poison damage on the crusher (they're both the same mark if that matters)
You don't want to dump ammo cause more ammo means more poison, and you don't want to dump mobility cause at 80 mobility the needler gives you like +0.9 sprint speed, which is kinda crazy.
ammo is the only one that truly matters. I think damage% is the overall best dump on needle
stability only affects sway as well (unfortunately)
you tested badly then
because the toxin has a fixed damage scale
I shot the crusher once in the head with each weapon and it always does this damage
did you crit or hit weakspot with one and not the other
the number was yellow
that's a crit
isnt crit orange
Crit is orange ye
are you sure they weren't different mks
both MKVI
yellow is headshot
are you sure one of them doesn't have 25% carapace on it
also don't switch weapons during the test
makes sense
Actually headshot is yellow and crit is orange by default.
a weakspot or crit hit apply additional stacks
true that my bad I didnt noticed that lol
i am a little color blind 
yeah the equipped weapons perks affect the damage output, similar to other DOTs
your hivescum is pink now
i wish you could make them more pink... all the pink fits for scum aren't pink enough
is psyker red then
cyan
if you use it mainly for specialists and elites, what are the best perks then
carapace and flak?
maniacs?
are arbiter darker black then
flak/maniac?
genuinely doesn't matter it 1 shots just about everything smaller than ogryn. probably infested + carapace because it has awful infested ADM making its dog ttk glacial
I think dogs can tank 1 shot
they can on heresy
likely it counts as range damage and they have range resistance
it just has high unarmoured adm
if you dgaf about using it on Crushers then maniac infested imo because killing trappers 25% faster matters
Toxin just deals less damage to infested enemies.
oh sad
On Needle gun? Perks only work whilst holding the gun, so probably +Stam for moving around and crit chance
it's more like it does more damage to the other types
you got trapped and after trapper dies cause your toxin
makes sense
not
I'll probably switch my pistol to infested maniac thinking about it
but it makes sense in fatshark world
Yeurp
dogs are infested (i.e. 0.9 tox chem ADM) and have 2100 hp in h40 but 3x melee damage multiplier everywhere
cus against Crushers i just shoot 3 times then switch to melee
so it only takes 700 melee damage to kill them but 2100 ranged/dot
pushes the doggos and smashes their skull after with a crowbar
I feel like the only person who doesnt run Needlegun on melee build 
runs bolt pistol instead
I only run it on box cutters (literally can't kill Crushers otherwise) and chaxe (headtaker + slaughterer affect DOT damage for some reason lmao)
Unironically, actually yes 
bistol, db or dual stubs on all my other melee builds
bone saw dump stat mobility?
w baseline?
for full chem crazy fent local homeless man build
Ah ye, blessings effecting DoTs still being in the game lmao, they're probably never gonna get that fixed 
atp it's probably a tiny bit intentional but honestly it barely makes a difference anyway
gobless America
if only ammo was 80
dual stubs are kinda nice on some melee builds because they handle ragers a bit better than bistol
does that 1% really make that big of a difference
gtg poop break over
Based. I've started running AoE Boltpistol for the most part because all my melee setups can kill Crushers, it allows me to take the RPG for stacked armour walls and works like Blinder grenades for trash mops if space needs to be made
that 1% causes micro aneurysms in emp's brain
bigger nuke incoming
RPG is just such good value
so that's where all the fent went, it was consumed to complete all of Hive scum achivements
Instantly remove Crusher/Bulwark walls or any flavour of overly awkward elite blob
i love rpg, liked it even before buff but the soup cans are really good aswell
Now I am free to return to the only true real class
Reddit Whiner
dear god, not the average British person!
"Genestealers and Skitarii are just around the corner guys, truss me."
Same, though it did need the extra charge. I dont like fish-tins tho, they dont really do anything the class doesnt already do at a high level
best dual auto blessing?
grendyl nopes skitarii
yep
Combat servitor
i think we don't get sin class like shade
New class is the Realization that Darktide do not need new classes anymore and instead they can work 2-3 years to finally deliver that Meltagun for Veteran.
I mean... I wouldnt hate it ๐
first improve shovel and falchion
It will do less damage than Combat Shotgun somehow and crash your games.
There would be community uproar if the microwave gun does less than a combat shotgun 
tbf not sure either of the new classes were needed
guys,.what if..... All characters are representation of their class.
Zola as lvl 50 hive scum
Morrow as lvl 50 sgt
Brant as lvl 50 ogryn
Zorrin as lvl 50 arbiter
Sefoni as lvl 50 psyker.
SO WHAT IF.... THERE WILL BE CLASS REPRESENTING EACH NAMED CHARACTER ON MOURNINGSTAR
I AM NOT INSANE
So? There's community uproar about any new big drop anyway, not that it changes anythign 
oh my god
AAAAAAAA
auric be like
Lmaooo, true 
first two minutes of the mission, guy got trapped 5 times
where is the zealot
Remember how weak ago half of the community was like "Waaah, Waaah, Hive Scum is SO Weak and Pathetic, waah waah, useless class?"
Hestia
thats rough man
Where are those big brainers now.
and we all died when the other two got trapped too
I remember using combat shotgun to level up mastery and realizing it's somehow not a shotgun but a short range sniper rifle that you have to carefully aim at heads instead of just blasting enemies in the chest.
shi was broken but not weak, my ass on subminimal shi can do good enough on it
someone which only uses the slugs with agrapinaa
I will never forget nor forgive so many moro- I mean, cognitively deficient fellas crying during big Ogryn Rework that he is going to 'still be the weakest class' only for new Ogryn to stomp so hard everyone cried he is boring OP week after he dropped.
(He's still super OP, but Psyker exists)
incomprehensible thing to say about a class with dual ratatata, infinite ammo and 1s long immunity on crit (and crit blessings/talents)
ogryn ist strong but clunky
I gotta be honest, I didn't really like the other shotguns when I was doing it, but the slugs were really good at helping against bulwarks cause they instantly break their guard.
@toxic dagger said it best - the community at large has a HORRIBLE track record about predicting what's going to be strong.
people when new update drops: (it is broken, sure, but good)
Up to a point, yes, though I would be shocked if anyone thought Arb was gonna be weak on release or indeed Psyker wouldnt be busted (again) post second rework
Oh there were still posts sayign Arby looks like a nothinburger and is weak but I do admit
Arby landed so OP broken easy
knowing reddit community, I wouldn't be surprised
that even community guessed there's no way to complain he is weak 
AS EXPECTED BRUH
psyker is strong, inferno desserves nerf other staffs i am not sure, they could need some love
Yeah...
guys, give psyker staff which is full auto gun but instead of using ammo generates perril
Tbf, scum released with a very underpowered rocket launcher and some really annoying bugs, like stimm supply not working with chem dependency or hyper critical disabling toughness regen on melee hits.
It won't be op trust me
Scriers needs to be toned down (quite a lot), Bubble is still cheese and Purgatus is very gamebreaking and has been for longer than anything else has remained in that state
yes but that's actually a norm. In fact I can tell with 100% certainty that Scum dropped in better shape than any other class when it comes to bugs and tech issues.
have the new buffs to sg sent it into overdrive?
But yes, shock staff needs buffed
Significantly so, yes
atleast HS had fixes faster than arby did
Also that, yeah.
Its even bugged at the moment and you cant explode yourself from overloading.
keystone broken for 1 month
i agree with purgatus only uses the new name instead and buble and scriers are strong i am not sure how to nerf those though without having a ton of pissed of psykers
People have short memories but Arb landed with one Keystone completely not working, some talents busted, dog being borked, infinite bleed being introduced, it was a show to be sure ๐
arbite is easy mode...
well you could reduce some of the scrier defenses that were added
Easy, you just nerf them and let people cry for a week till they realise the class is still good and suddenly go quiet ๐
Infinite bleed? Khorne's doing all over again
like the constant toughness regen
blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne
Scriers aside, Purgatus needs to have the peril cost swapped with zappy staff. They seemingly cannot fix infinite cleave, so hard-limiting it via peril gains is the only viable choice
please do not kill zappy staff
Guys, solo mode soon trust, we will get to play as Vin Morrow and we will fight plague marines in 1v1 and win
That would be a buff to the zapstick
i disagree
zappy staff cost nothing then
cycling peril effectively is part of what makes zapstick good
and having shit for peril gen is a weakness of purg
make it do less damage to elites maybe
looks at purg leftclick how should i throw bs at gunners and snipers
main strength of inferno is that it kills everything that isn't a crusher or a boss
Its a strength, because it can be cast infinitely and being at high peril doesnt increase the damage of the ticks at a meaningful rate until they're at a huge stack count, which would be very hard to reach if it built more peril
Why do we want chem depenendancy and stim box together anyway they don't have much compatability
if it was slower on ragers and maulers so you couldn't just melt them down in the same pot as everything else
thematics
gun scum is actually fucking hilarious
Broken. Its broken.
they do right now
gives you mk5 iag
Gun scum is a bullet staff psyker.
I want CDR on my box that does nothing without stim which isn't affected by Chem Dependancy
It's probably better to take adrenaline with box
Stimm supply booged
gives you combat shotgun
If you use the stimm supply without stimms and exit and reenter the area, you still get the buff
anywho
uses exclusively slugs
is chaxe good on melee scum
Meaning CDR is actually meaningful for stimm supply right now
I tend to just take one line of Kalma and treat my stim as a second use of my F ability
Crit rate from chem dependency is more useful for crit toxic shiv build than adrenaline rush, for me
I treat my stim like I treat my water. Always inside of me
Imagine if gun scum reloaded by pulling out a brand new gun every time cause the old ones keep melting from all the shooting.
Hilarious
give hive scum dual bolt pistols
looks at reaper from ow
What could go wrong
From dual Boltpistols? Probably not a lot
heretics meeles pick those up reload and shoot you with those
Hmmmmmm.... How to we parry this.
You just toss the gun away and pull a new one out.
Like Tediore guns in Borderlands that you toss away on reload and then they construct a new one right in your hands.
If anything dual Boltpisols would be hard to use because you'd be CCing so much stuff and not killing the majority of them
btw is it possible to rename a character after creation
yeets soup at you
yes
Ye, do a mindwipe at the barber
Dont ask me how he got hold of that tech, but he did
Yeah but you need to pay 50k tide dollars for personality purge at the surgeon.
looks at sefoni
rude. Stacks multiple fent crates and deploys in mourningstar vent system
its fine i got the money
Yep
who doesnt
Ordo dockets are like, chocolate coins atp
So is diamantine
i have 6m flying around and i crafted all class specific weapons perfectly
You could eat those all your life
My scum is poor.
And you would still have 3 million
Buy out the docket store 
HOW
how
See.. thats what my plasteel count looks like, but I have 87K diamantine ๐
ARE YOU ACTUALLY EATING THOSE
Have you just like spent all of your cash dollar into the weapons and didn't play for a while because how the hell
Dudes, scum only came out recently. I can only no-life the game so much.
na bro it seems he likes to eat those coins as a snack
normaly you have reserves
I mean you get 60k per game
I rolled like 10-15 combat shotguns recently.
i love to play on heresy with modifiers so it is mostl 30-45k
Theory: he eats 40k of those for nutritional value of lead in his brain to be able to find a way on found double wielded combat shottys
That explains everything
Which shoot coins too apparently
give me double wielded duelling swords
Money lord
That one gun in cyberpunk shooting literal money
Yknow
though of that one
Make a gun which shoots money
ok my hive scum succesfully transitioned
Lwk would be OP
classic shooter trope of broken ass gun that shoots money
new personality, same scummy universe
We truly live in
war hammers or sum shi
mine would be so direkt and cynical they think now wonder you are here
Ah, so simply a regular at commorah and medrengard then
?
mfs in medrengard asking iron warriors why that factory mass produces space marines
mfs in Commorah asking where their torture slave went. (Someone is turning him into a living Picasso painting)
takes a crowbar to the torturers face, if the slave was no heretic
I'm gonna find out on how to do darktide in RimWorld
haven't tried AOE bistol on scum yet. hn
hm
challenge level: mentioning medrengard without alluding to the daemonculaba - impossible
shivs, crowbar or dagger for me
Hmmmm
Got grabbed by a mutie (noticed it too late), pulled into fire and died.
Watching an arbites just sit in the fire, go down, then zealot runs into the fire to pick them up and loses 95% health to it. Then arbites marked a sniper, didn't shoot it and watched the sniper kill an ogryn that just loaded in to replace a bot.
What the fuck are we doing?
Medrengard mfs when perturabo is actually acting like a decent person
in the underhive, we call that not yet a tuesday
(by chaos standards)
just shows peter turbo was effed up from the start
ye that brain damage moment with autism didn't help
I really hate it when players dont wait for fire to disappear before picking up teammates that arent even close to bleeding outโฆ
Guys, what if swagger IS grendyl but remote controlled
Sometimes i get a feeling liek rage with how shitty randoms are by dealing with snipers
Pretty sure Brahms is grendyl and that recorded conversation a red hering
What if we are grendyl
Reminds me of my brain damage moments
What if Grendyl has no swagger and a yee-yee ass haircut and that's why no one has ever seen him in person?
there is the theory that grendyl is brahms gramp or even older relative
Who didn't figure that out
There are three vids on that
But anyways
Then again, I also often end up bleeding out because my teammates get too distracted by killing the very few enemies around me (or worse, they ignore me altogether)
What if....
Grendyl is just a 50 feet morrow with Petera squirrel whispering in his ears
only elite and specials by me to high risk else
I mean. They literally talk about being related and that Grendyl is aware if not involved in sth she calls the family curse
i know
What if the real Grendyl is the friends we made along the way?
Often its just a few poxwalkers around me that my teammates get very distracted whackingโฆ
We call morrow 007
0 coherent memories
0 losses against chaos
7 chaos space marines choked to death
I think he is her ancestor in some weird ass radical inquisition way and the family curse is him being around.
i found morrows sentence funny where he said wolfer gonna die of a aneurism because of the rejects messing around
yeah and the weird curse of the Mourningstar is his entire ass life support suite or something
Lwk if I was wolfer I definitely would
4 fuckass bums killing beasts of nurgle
With a rock
Just awful. Even content creators
or mobians six elites get killed by those
Especially that hank guy
they have to have run out of Moebian 6th by now given the number that get clapped on the median auric+ mission
Dude keeps sending thousands of heretics of all shapes and sizes to fight 4 major fuck ups and the major fuck ups keep winning.
this. he is interred in the ship and inheriting it inherits the duty of being involved in inquisition fuckery instead of getting filthy richer
Hank is the worst. He is a playtester too. So that means he only plays Malice.
He's the reason ogryn keeps getting nerfed of course
It doesn't get better because NOW ARBITES ARE INTO IT ALONGSIDE GANGERS WITH RPGS
it's also the family curse because IIRC, the Mourningstar is their biggest and nicest ship, so it's a bit of a millstone around the family fortunes
It ain't just "nicest" ship
It's THE ship
It's a flagman
it's still a sword class frigate in the grand scheme of things
there's dynasties flying Lunar class cruisers around
the most valuable thing there is warrant of trade
which isn't assigned to a singular ship, but it'd be funny if Grendyl was holding it hostage
I dimly recall that House Brahms has more than just the MS. but it being the flag runner means itโs their prize.
is chem dep or vulture's better on gun scum
"oi you dogs better listen or the melta charges around the warrant go off"
what IF grendyl as ancestor is formally holding the writ?
also possible, but it's transmissable, no?
what if grendyl is lord moebian
and he's threatening not to hand it on or summat
what if grendyl is running a tzeentch cult?
like, by Rogue Trader standards, the Brahms are probably not doing shit hot
Lwk collor scheme of house Brahms fits that
What if Grendyl is Lydnerg?
but they're still RTs so that's like a billionnaire whinging that their superyacht is the second smallest among their friends
what if grendyl is tanner? ever seen both put out videos at the same time?
Grendyl is Lord Magleviathan.
What if mourningstar has a fish tank where the fat shark is stored
what if the mourningstar was one spike on a legendary warhammer and the other half of the head is called the eve-yearning-star
running a racket to take over all of the underhive. and as they are secretly a tzeentch cult they abuse their mortal enemies in the eternal garden for shits and convoluted giggles
Carcharodons are just a Fatshark self-insert chapter
Actually
their chapter master is known to be a fucken unit
this is Lord Magleviathan
QED
Guys, what if darktide community is half life community in its current state
What had been seen cannot be unseen.
here we can see a member of the Iron Riders commuting to work:
Lord Magleviathan had never seen such bullshit before
Guys, we are becoming half life community
But without neat part of alien languages and esoteric posting
half life community is as decrepit as plaguebearers. their fixation on numerology is irrefutable evidence.
We're getting there
How can the feet smell if they have no nose?
What if fatshark has a little brother who is the one behind developing darktide
Which is why there are eternal bugs
Is math, somehow, related to science?
If universe is so big... why won't it fight me?
Lord Magleviathan needs a Koloss-44 styled homebase
my gifs is a forsaken place I am not willing to delve further
is there just nobody playing havoc? im searching for ppl for a havoc 22 forever
Are you using party finder
yea
Cus if yes
You would have easier time finding a way to marry fatshark, than do something meaningful with party finder
is there another way to find ppl for havoc?
Yes, you ask people around in here, it's both faster and has smaller likelyhood of playing with morrons
what channel?
Any
Its also a monday morning, so natural dead time
General, here, other class channels
if you can't find anyone i recommend using lfgs on the server. many ppl will help you out
the opposite though
last message almost 2 hours ago and the one before that almost 11 hours ago..
for my lfg region
Monday morning I'm afraid
try adjacent regions maybe
:/
im from eu but i get a more stable connection on NAwest lmao don't knock it till you try it
i mean if you want you can do Havocs higher than yours and get progress
yea but nobody is gonna inv me
why not
im 21 clearance
then yeah lfg channels
I wouldn't queue with randoms anyway you rlly wanna be on comms
altho 22 is low enough anything sub 30 doesn't necessarily need comms
just try queueing on someone's 23-26 game if there are any
worst thing that can happen is getting disconnected or losing the game :p
the former more likely
zealot chat is already doing that for you
we must top that
Unlike them we have fent distribution service
can we turn it into anti-e33 shitpost channel instead
as long as we cause everyone unaware a mental flashbang
i never heard of expedition 33 before
lolwhat
What is there to not understand
Lads.......
deploys hopium stim medcrates in mourningstar ventilation system
Let's geek the living shit out of zealot chat
mostly the sheer volume of dodging you'd have to have done to be even semi-active on discord and not have heard all about expedition 33 from someone
it's only one of the most widely-discussed games all year
and took over the entirety of the gaming section of the internet for like 8 weeks when the game first came out

Kerfus
someone on the steam forums is spouting that kuli doesn't know how to test stuff

ts is geeking me out
The haters hate when someone do work hard on a thing

