hivescum-class

[supple torrent]

The answer is still rending

[brave beacon]

only thing rending is going to help is V carpase

[fiery palm]

there's always exceptions to the rules. It would also stand to reason that a chaos or otherwise renegade regiment would have guys specifically watching to make sure the rebel leader's will is being followed and so on

Wouldn't be a turned commissar but some kind of ideological enforcer

[exotic temple]

It’s complicated you’d have to go look at the weapon you are using adm values crit modifier weak spot dmg etc to answer the question

[supple torrent]

Thats the issue armor is the only issue normal gun scum has. You could maybe run finesse if your going dual stubs but for autopistols you're gonna get more mileage out of rending.

[exotic temple]

Yeah basically, commissars also tend to be better at controlling moral and close quarters combat

[fast wind]

it'd be funny if 1 in 10000 poxwalkers had a commisar hat on

to reference that one dude

[supple torrent]

Give wolfer the hat.

[exotic temple]

I think it would be funny for a random captain to have the hat on

[fast wind]

he's got his helmet already I dont think he likes commisars considering what he did

[supple torrent]

I want the hat on the helmet.

[exotic temple]

And he would be glib and be like look at mei can shout at people and wave me sword around

[fast wind]

it'd be funny to get a commisar hat for ogyrn, they have used the same model for the tank commander though if they did itd be funny if the hat was normal size to look goofy

[exotic temple]

I’d buy that cosmetic

[fast wind]

I sort of wished hive scum may get access to other classes cosmetics, I know it's sort of asking for a bit of crossover but I think it'd make sense seeing how zealot and vet have some already ganger looking outfits

[exotic temple]

Speaking of ogryn I need to brush the dust off of mine I haven’t played him since they released auric missions

[exotic temple]

That’s true, I could see them taking stuff they have already and jacking it up so it’s not 1 for 1

[dreamy rover]

For the stimmers who don't know, you can animation cancel the stim animation with weapon swap.

[hazy vector]

who is not a stimmer though

[dreamy rover]

Only other classes take them out of necessity, we take them because we want to

[icy scaffold]

I’m joining the bolt pistol desperado cult

It just melts hordes with big booms

[hasty agate]

What are the best perks for dual autos?

[icy scaffold]

Flak/Maniac/Unyielding depending on your preferences iirc

[exotic temple]

I like flak maniac personally

[icy scaffold]

Same

[hasty agate]

I’m pretty satisfied with flak and crit chance.

Manic isn’t really needed imo

[dense hollow]

crit chance kinda pointless on your guns

[trim wind]

Crit chance as a perk should basically never be used

[dense hollow]

there's like 2 weapons that might use crit hit chance and they're both melees

[exotic temple]

I thought it had enough of a crit dmg modifier to justify crit chance

[icy scaffold]

And recon las vet

[hasty agate]

Taking 5% on the gun brings me to 35% without cartel special

[radiant swift]

vs 25% damage vs a common enemy health type is generally going to net you more damage

[astral canyon]

I was going to say you want crit chance for stuff like the stubs but in the perk slot yeah no

Crit chance perk is dogshit

[hasty agate]

I just think the daps do good manic\unyielding without either of those perks so

[dense hollow]

you have no reason to not want more over having extra crit on a gun that doesn't need it

[fiery palm]

What about blessings for dual autos? I use blaze and pinning fire to stack damage but I see a lot of people recommend speed load

[hasty agate]

I can get 4K dps on a reaper with no buffs…like lol
Without unyielding

[astral canyon]

Still better to take the flakiac ol' reliable

[radiant swift]

speed load isn't really necessary but some people really like it, but damage wise blaze and pinning do more

[dense hollow]

your 5% crit isn't really doing much

[icy scaffold]

Reload speed is the biggest hinderance when it comes to Desperado uptime. So people tend to go with that.

[astral canyon]

5% crit is fucking nothing compared to "+25% damage vs x" perks

[icy scaffold]

Frankly, Hive Scum deletes everything that’s not a crusher with dual autos, so you don’t really miss out on much by running Speedloader besides boss damage

[limber cradle]

I tried blaze away pinning but tbh I prefer pinning speedloader which ig is weird. I don't like being required to dump my mags all the time even with infinite ammo.

[limber cradle]

Its entirely for desp uptime ime

I used to run no speedloader no speedloader talent but now I do both on desp builds

[fiery palm]

With the 30% reload talent and max speedload that should be an 80% reduced reload time correct?

[exotic temple]

Yeah I like the qol for speed loader

[limber cradle]

Should be, yeah.

Kinda looks like you clack your guns together

[fiery palm]

Maybe I should give speedload another shot

[exotic temple]

I’d never thought about pinning instead of blaze away tho… might have to try that out

[limber cradle]

Feels more consistent to me, and like it stacks faster

And I don't have to full mag dump every single reload

[livid raven]

it's really easy to get pinning fire to max stacks

just shoot into the chaff

[limber cradle]

Ye

[fiery palm]

Yeah with pinning fire it seems to hit 5 stacks no matter what I'm doing unless I'm focus firing a burgle

[plucky nymph]

Sad how stubs are just worse infy auto guns, alexa play desperado :/

[limber cradle]

Idk about worse

Just different

[exotic temple]

I like my stub pistols…

I feel like an action movie star when I use them

Also sniping stuff with spinny attack brings me joy

It doesn’t work most times but when it does it’s like a dopamine button

[limber cradle]

I think they meant the DAPs

[exotic temple]

Oh

[limber cradle]

The .45s and Vraks are wholly incomparable ime

[fiery palm]

IAG does more damage but DAPs have an undeniable mobility advantage

[exotic temple]

Yeah i thought it was a weird comparison

[fiery palm]

Idk if it's specific to the Vraks IAG but the weakspot multiplier is crazy and works really well with the +25% weakspot damage talent (forget the name)

[radiant swift]

all the IAGs have good weakspot multipliers last I checkeed

like better then the vigilants for some reaon

[trim wind]

Aiming is work though, I only shoot in the general direction of things

[radiant swift]

I mean spraying with the vraks you can only aim so much

it's more so a big deal vs bosses and for the slowest of the IAGs, which isn't particularly good on scum

[exotic temple]

I feel more accurate hip firing vraks for some reason

[radiant swift]

the irons are ass

prolly why

they gave all the guns the most dogshit ironsights

[exotic temple]

There is that but I didn’t want to blame the tool for my shortcomings

But I’m still pissed they scraped the weapon mod thing

[radiant swift]

I mean I know I am generally hitting heads faster while not ADSing when I use the vigilants

[plucky nymph]

Stubs r ass on h40 vs other guns

Why such a high headshot multi when

1. The spin shot cant kill a trapper h40
2. Need every -spread access possible to consistently hit heads
3. Damage to mag sux ass

Stubs are so cool, every time I use them I just feel bad with every mag vs any other gun lol

If they had like 24 rounds / bit better accuracy I don’t think theyd outshine anything

[limber cradle]

They're not primaries

Tbh

At least not for high havoc

They're the worst ranged unique scum gets but my god they feel the best

[plucky nymph]

I feel the worst using them it takes 20 min to kill a h40 mutie and all my mag and the other guns just break anything you see, little stubbies are so cool but gah damn plz I hope they do something to them lol

Accuracy of a braced auto, headshot multiplier of an IAG. It make no sense QQ

[bronze glade]

the mag economy feels terrible

i just don't like the gun in general

[hazy vector]

what other classes have todo with this

[plucky nymph]

I wanted the stubs to b my fav cause dual pistols are cool but its basically trolling vs other guns, I was clutching twins / pogryn / cptn at the same time and over 5 min I was just thinking god plz I wish I had anything else

[bronze glade]

i lost a maelstrom clutch because of dual stubs lol

tbf good chance i would've lost anyway

but directly dying because of a specific weapon

feels bad

[dull swan]

It's my impression or my character's resistance is gone in 2 enemy slaps?

[radiant swift]

or less

the HS guarantee

[obsidian crown]

Yeah see

[bronze glade]

i think you can actually stack a decent amount of DR/TDR if you build for it

[obsidian crown]

I don’t understand this

[radiant swift]

ye

[obsidian crown]

And I gotta see your builds tbh to see why this is happening to you

[radiant swift]

esp on a melee build

[bronze glade]

granted HIV is still a less resilient class than the others

[radiant swift]

I notice my toughnes get dropped a lot then the insta restore kicking in then it being fine

on melee scum

mainly just a worry until I get into melee (unless rampage is active then it's usually a non-issue)

I think in general scum is quite tough so long as they are in active combat

that's why random poxies/bruisers are so annoying

[unreal stirrup]

doesn't help that player hitboxes is extended atm and burster being bugged

[radiant swift]

100%

been getting stuck in shit becuase of it

[unreal stirrup]

once it got fixed scum will feel much better

well next year

[radiant swift]

I beleive they said they are trying to get the hitboxes fixed before they go on break

fucken hopefully at least

[dim moth]

conveniently scum is very good at rushing into combat

[charred bronze]

Pls fatshark dev team. We appreciate your OT in this trying time. Genuinely

[radiant swift]

yup

[obsidian crown]

I look at scum as a vanguard type of player for your team

They lead the front

[fervent steppe]

is it also a bug that your screen goes really blurry as you stim? It can be really disoriantating

[blissful gull]

what tac axe mark is best?

[last marsh]

i love this game

[bronze glade]

VII overall

[fervent steppe]

ive attributed that to arbites/ ogryn. scum in my eyes is more of the rouge sort of playstyle. as in they orbit around the team killing most things rarther than stick in with them

[novel oracle]

7

[last marsh]

gg go again i guess lmfao

also fent lean sniper

[fervent steppe]

all hitboxes are fucked rn

[last marsh]

it keeps you on your toes

dms out here fudging dice

the dm asks "whats your ac again?" and then rolls secretly.

[zenith pagoda]

What too many stims does to a mf

[blissful gull]

thx

[sonic pumice]

Player: What are you rolling for?
DM: no reason
Player: *in shambles

[last marsh]

lmfao

thats unironically one of my favorite things to do as a DM

sometimes i dont even be rolling for a reason

i just wanna spread fear and mistrust while theyre roleplaying

also is anyone actually using this? (honest question)

i thought about it for shredder autopistol but i dont really feel the need

[sonic pumice]

Oh I usually roll for a reason, if the party is goofing around the next town is getting raided by bandits and millions must die

[dim moth]

so I'm unsure if this is a new interaction but something I've certainly noticed on hive scum

sick hops

[last marsh]

sometimes you gotta follow thru

[bronze glade]

it's really good

[last marsh]

oh okay ill give it a shot

[versed spruce]

Does the Long Lasting talent synergize with stim crate or is it only on self-stim?

[bronze glade]

helps DAP/SAP/stubs feel a LOT better

[sonic pumice]

A world alive is a wonderful world where people die

[bronze glade]

pretty sure it's only self

[versed spruce]

That blows

If so

[limber cradle]

Yes but only on DAPs and the .45s

[bronze glade]

well crate you can already get 20s by default i think

so you don't need it

[versed spruce]

b-but 25 seconds 🥺

[spice mural]

It’s done.

[last marsh]

cheap shots with shredder auto pistol?

[radiant swift]

cheap shots is mostly bait afaik

[viscid sundial]

Does ‘toxic renewal’ still proc up if you have ‘coated weaponry’ and instant kill an enemy with crit?

[low harbor]

It’s good

This is literally veteran’s one motion but better

[limber cradle]

I think one motion matters more for vet than sticky does for scum tbh

Vet has some ungodly slow weapons available

[dim moth]

and scum has some ungodly inaccurate weapons available

[winged dawn]

It's good with shredder autopistol but otherwise fairly bad

It's decent with the stun grenades

But not worth the point

[astral canyon]

I feel scum takes sticky hands more for the accuracy than the swap speed

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I use it for them, not for the swap speed.

[winged dawn]

Yes 100%, the swap speed doesn't matter

[haughty slate]

It's only worth it on shredder if you are standing still and using the secondary fire. Not worth it imo because you want to be run and gunning a lot on the shredder.

[winged dawn]

(or barely)

[dim moth]

swap speed good for rocket tho

[limber cradle]

Its nice QoL and it feels cool to swap from DAPs to Melee like nothing

I do not use rocket tbf

I almost exclusively use regen nades on everyone for the QoL

[haughty slate]

Sticky hands is fucking amazing for the spread reduction

that's what you take it for

the weapon swap speed is just a nice bonus

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[zenith pagoda]

Idk why Fatshark is so obsessed with swap speed, there's a talent on every class, slow draw weapons can be animation cancelled, so the only class that mildly benefits is ogryn

It's even on the stim tree

[haughty slate]

it's extremely niche... I kind of like it on vet for faster grenades but that's about it

[celest cypress]

I like doing penances to make my character look more naked

Truly conclave style

[neon fern]

lmao

[astral canyon]

We shouldve gotten the glockinator as an ability or blitz

[winged dawn]

It's especially stupid on Scum who already has fast swap weapons and most of his builds hard locks him in melee or ranged anyway

[zenith pagoda]

Yup

[winged dawn]

Unlike vets his ults and keystones are super rigid in term of ranged / melee gameplay

[zenith pagoda]

The only thing that might benefit is rocket launcher

[winged dawn]

does it work ?

If it does it's kinda good ngl

[hybrid oyster]

the weapon swap skill also reduces recoil I think or accuracy, whatever, it makes it laser accurate if you also take the run and gun

you can snipe with that shit lol

[haughty slate]

the node is actually stupid good on ranged build... -30% spread turns guns like the autopistol into a laser

highly recommend

[astral canyon]

Yeah the accuracy us more than enough to make the node worth

[haughty slate]

Does someone know how the Enhanced penance works? You have to use the stim to replenish your toughness?

[winged dawn]

I know it's good, the conversation was about the swap speed specifically

[amber sundial]

Take dmg, regain toughness while your stim is active

You have to get hurt a bunch or else the penance will take 5 years

[manic wolf]

In terms of damage capability I dont think there is a great deal of difference between hybrid, gun or melee Scum, problem is that ranged Scum has the easiest (by far) way of applying his damage

[haughty slate]

I love penances that want me to play bad

[winged dawn]

It's not about relative power, it's just that the only way to make a real hybrid scum is to take the stimm ult and keystones

[manic wolf]

Wot

No it most certainly is not 😄

[winged dawn]

If you take any other talent or keystone you're very incentivized to use mainly melee or ranged

You have one ult that is entirely melee one that is entirely ranged and same for the keystones, how does that not correlate to you being shoved into one gameplay or the other

[mortal meadow]

alright im gonna say it

[manic wolf]

You're telling me that to make a hybrid build you take the ult that doesnt benifit either? 🤔

Cos that not how that works

[mortal meadow]

i think hive scum should be able to be made the fastest class period in terms of sprint speed.

[winged dawn]

Sure you can shoot yourself in the foot by not playing around your talents but why do that

[bronze glade]

i'm surprised HIV doesn't get more sprint speed tbh

[mortal meadow]

yes, no one has said it so i will

[bronze glade]

fucking arbi gets more sprint speed

[mortal meadow]

zealot no longer should be the fastest with sprint speed

[manic wolf]

Take Desperado and Adrenaline and you'll outdamage entire teams as easily as you would on either a pure melee or pure ranged build

[haughty slate]

If you are making a build with Desperado or Rampage you should be going for the highest amount of uptime possible on those abilities. This means you are leaning into either ranged or melee.

[mortal meadow]

hive cocaine scum needs to be the norm, my gameplay should play like a fucking doom eternal walkthrough

[winged dawn]

If you take the only ranged or only melee ult and then play hybrid i'm sorry but what the fuck dude

[haughty slate]

Sure you CAN take desperado on a hybrid build but then you're just playing a bad ranged build

[manic wolf]

Try it. You get all the benifits of unlimited ammo from Desperado and very significant melee damage output because you have HV + Adrenaline

[mortal meadow]

yeah im sorry but hive scum is a one trick pony

but i digress

[manic wolf]

It aint lul

Trust me

[mortal meadow]

anyway, cocaine scum 2025

[haughty slate]

It is if you want to take one of the first two abilities

[mortal meadow]

increase the sprint speed by 200% for hive scum

[winged dawn]

Yeah I understand why people say the class is bad now, they take desperado and then hit enemies in melee

[haughty slate]

Maximizing ability uptime is how you make a good build on scum

[manic wolf]

Huh? Ive not said its bad at all lmao

In fact I think its one of the better classes in the game

[haughty slate]

I think you missed the joke

[manic wolf]

Yeah... no

You dont need to use Desperado at all on a ranged build

[mortal meadow]

logically the only time a desperado build would use melee is when their ranged is gone and desperado is on cd

past that?

[haughty slate]

You're right, you don't. You can run stim crate on it too because that's the hybrid option.

[mortal meadow]

nah not really a reason

[manic wolf]

There have been multiple people commenting all week that Vulture's keystone and Pickpocket carries it

[supple torrent]

I go into melee to farm stimms cus I love stimming

[manic wolf]

It isnt tho, its the support option

[haughty slate]

It's a massive damage buff you can customize for yourself and have 100% uptime on. It's not really a "support option" so much as it is a hybrid option that can also offer your teammates increased damage output.

[manic wolf]

You could also try Rampage + going over to Vulture's, but I dont think thats as flexible or as capable as Desp/Adrenaline

[haughty slate]

Stim is the only real hybrid playstyle option if you're making a good build

[haughty slate]

otherwise you want to lean into one or the other

[frosty urchin]

does hypercritical work with cleave?

[manic wolf]

Have you tried doing anything other than the most obvious routes?

[dull swan]

guys, does the artfacts perks stack?

[manic wolf]

Because uhh... you prolly should

[haughty slate]

bruh I have an invincible shredder autopistol build that runs stim crate... I like my crazy builds, but that's just bad

doesn't take a genius to figure out

[mortal meadow]

yeah im not gonna lie shady he's got a point

[winged dawn]

I have fun with weird builds too, but I don't pretend they're good without any understanding on how optimization work

[dull swan]

everyone going to obliterate me

[mortal meadow]

the obvious routes are obvious because they work

[manic wolf]

Mate, I put out over 900K damage most times I play the event modifier on the hybrid setup.. Thats like 100k give or take less than pure ranged build (which we all know is fucking broken)

[winged dawn]

Like I used to play a full HP zealot that got book back by facetanking ddmaage

[haughty slate]

That's nice man. I'm not here to argue player skill. I'm just saying building hybrid with one of the first two abilities is gimping yourself.

[winged dawn]

it was fun as hell, really trash in Havoc

[manic wolf]

Its not tho... its inherently more flexible

[mortal meadow]

wh

[haughty slate]

Stim crate is the flexible option but ok

[mortal meadow]

hive scum isn't meant to be flexible, again it's a hit and run class

[haughty slate]

if it works for you and you think it's fun

go for it

[mortal meadow]

you hit and fuck shit up then hide

[manic wolf]

You can melt stuff and range and you're not out of pocket when stuff gets in your face

[hybrid oyster]

stim crate and chem depency is great

keep 3 stacks all game long

[manic wolf]

Dependancy is good, Im still on the fence about the crate tho

[lapis raft]

if you are doing chem dep and stim crate then there is no way you arent taking 4th stack

its so ez to sustain with crate

[mortal meadow]

haven't used crate yet but i imagine it's fun

[honest shale]

I like my engorged lightsaber in Sire Melk's event tab.

[hybrid oyster]

crate is more of a team buff action, the other 2 are solo buffs

[haughty slate]

I actually prefer the other keystones in most of my builds with it just because you don't get to make use out of the 40% cdr if you're using sample collector

[manic wolf]

Its not overly hard to sustain without the crate if you don't full stack your stim

[lapis raft]

yea i ran 4th stack even before running crate

dont rly understand why ppl avoid it so much

[mortal meadow]

i've only used desperado but i have yet to find good builds that i like that run rampage or the third option

[manic wolf]

Lule

[hybrid oyster]

I like max attack damage and speed stims

helps the team clean up really quickly

[manic wolf]

I just take the damage stim an sit at 50% ish viscocity for faster CDR

[lapis raft]

same, 75s is rough even with crate and without its misery

[final temple]

with sample collector that is a nice and brief cd

[manic wolf]

Its a very hard sell, even with sample collector, to take a full 75s cooldown on what amounts to a second ult when both Rampage + Desp are like 30s

[haughty slate]

I actually love the stim lab. You can perfectly optimize builds so that you rotate your stim and ability cooldowns.

Feels really good hitting that sweet spot

And stim crate is stupid strong if you maximize your uptime

[dim moth]

helps me clean up quickly god knows my team is too scared to melee with me to actually get the stimm

[manic wolf]

It'd be better if an entire branch of it didnt might aswell not exist

Coherency TGH regen? Worthless.

[haughty slate]

very true... really wish they would have given us a more exciting toughness branch

[manic wolf]

In (very much) older versions of the game, coherency regen meant something, but it hasnt for a very, very long time now

[lapis raft]

should just be toughness regen or something useful, 1% per point + the dr would be cute

[haughty slate]

Even in the only build it might have been good on (chem pistol ranged build) it sucks. The class has plenty of other ways to get toughness back.

[final temple]

I’d even say just DR and toughness regen on the ult nodes

[haughty slate]

and you shouldn't be holding onto the cooldown just to fix your toughness

[manic wolf]

It should have been X% extra on any toughness you generate, be it through talent nodes, base melee toughness regen and coherency, then it would be good for newer players to get a bit of extra survivability

Still be largely irrelevant to long term players, but it would help people who complain about the glassy nature of the class

[haughty slate]

Toughness replenishment I think is Fatshark's term for that one. Completely agree. I even think this would be one of the FEW instances where gold toughness might have not been too broken since it has a decent cooldown and a small radius.

[lapis raft]

if the toughness branch would be actually good itwould also be good for stimm crate support setups

[manic wolf]

Ehhhhh, Idk about gold toughness, thats a slippery slope

[haughty slate]

Yeah, just a thought. I honestly don't think they should add any more gold toughness into the game. Broken mechanically.

Especially on a class that rarely gets hit

[lapis raft]

gold tougness on crate explosion :d

[manic wolf]

Its not ideal, no

I can kinda let it slide for book zealot because you can't continue to do Zealot DPS whilst you're usng the ult, but its a bit fucked on Vet

[haughty slate]

toughness replenishment + movement speed tree has the potential to be really stupid

[lapis raft]

i think stimms in general are kinda underwhelming especially if you want to focus on them ngl

[haughty slate]

still not good, but could be fun

[lapis raft]

maybe if they changed chem dep it would be nicer

[haughty slate]

depends entirely on your build and use of chemical dependency

errr not chemical dependecy

sample collector

[manic wolf]

I honestly struggle to see a reason to take anything other than the damage/crit chance nodes in stim tree tbh

[lapis raft]

same, str is too good

i tried as branch for a while

[haughty slate]

The only reason to take the cdr nodes is to loop it perfectly with your ability

[lapis raft]

and the end nodes just arent good enough to justify

[manic wolf]

I guess there could be an argument for attack speed one if you're doing a DoT melee build, but beyond that? Not really

[lapis raft]

well the str affects the dot

so even less reason to do so there

[haughty slate]

If you take 2/3 cdr nodes you can make it so as soon as your stim ends you have your ability

and you loop them

really nice

[radiant swift]

das what I do

on my crack head build (rampage + chem dep)

[manic wolf]

Yesnt, being able to stack cap your DoTs faster would result in a faster TTK in most occasions than slower stacking with a meagre damage bonus on them

[lapis raft]

well that would be true if bleed wasnt 8 stacks on crit and needler did not existed :d

or shiv special even

[radiant swift]

In theory it makes you regen tougyness faster

just off hitting and not killing

[lapis raft]

like i tried benchmarking both the as nodes and str nodes on dot melee build

[manic wolf]

Thats not enough of a benifit to consider it in most occasions imo

[lapis raft]

and the as nodes werent rly close in damage

[radiant swift]

not amazing but it's funny vs bosses

[radiant swift]

agreed

it is funny though

[haughty slate]

Attack speed tree is great. Usually the dps output makes up for itself if you're using Sample Collector.

[slender nexus]

do the arbites have reduced explosion dmg or something when i spectate them they take like 20hp from pox busters instead of insta dying

[haughty slate]

The -reload/recoil perk at the end is very nice on ranged builds

[manic wolf]

With Adrenaline you kinda already have unlimited toughness vs boss in most scenarios

[manic wolf]

Not really, because there is a cooldown lockout

[zenith pagoda]

Stim tree should have these branches

Mobility

• Dodge speed
• Dodge distance
• Dodge regen/limit
• Sprint speed

Defense

• Toughness
• Damage reduction
• Stamina reduction

Attack

• Attack speed
• Strength
• Crit
• Suppression

Utility

• Cooldown
• Blitz regen
• Coherency effects

[low harbor]

crate is gud, dependency still needs tweaks

[lapis raft]

combining attack speed with str would be maybe tad too broken

[zenith pagoda]

Just keep the values low then

[lapis raft]

and the mobiity branch sounds useless ngl

[haughty slate]

Not if you're using crate. That's what makes it a great hybrid option. You can cycle your own big personal buff and also give it to your teammates.

[zenith pagoda]

Not if you're in a clutch

[manic wolf]

Blitz regen for Chem Nades and Zook could be interesting tbf if it was tied to the stim. Say it took you 3 stim uses to replenish one charge or summat

[lapis raft]

well you wont be in clutchif your stimm instead allowed you to get out of it right

[haughty slate]

The mobility node is just overkill most of the time but it can be clutch

[lapis raft]

but also you already have infinite stamina when running on scum

as you regen more than you lose when sprint sliding

[zenith pagoda]

Not on rampage cooldown

[lapis raft]

i think chem dep should give stimm cdr and max stimm cd should go down to 65 with 2 branches allocated at least

[manic wolf]

Idk, I havent touched crate, being tied to an area to get your buffs I dont find all that conducive to effective play, same reason I dont play Aquilla on Arb (on the rare occasions I play Arb)

[lapis raft]

would be a lot nicer

[zenith pagoda]

That's why everyone uses the top node

[lapis raft]

everyone takes the linger on crate

[haughty slate]

Fast Acting Stims bro. Always take it. Let's you leave the circle and go crazy.

[mighty belfry]

Fast Acting Stimms

[manic wolf]

Ehh

[zenith pagoda]

Potion of lingering

[mighty belfry]

That's the entire point of that node.

[manic wolf]

Still not worth it to me given the benifits of the other ults

[mighty belfry]

And arguably one of the must haves

[lapis raft]

its not stronger than other ults because the stimms arent strong enough

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-potion-float-meme-funny-gif-6531151921626252404

[lapis raft]

but its fun at least

but you can def feel you are a lot weaker than you would be if you were doing something else while playing crate

[haughty slate]

it is an extremely strong ult if you are maximizing uptime

[dim moth]

yeah but it also has like

fuck all cooldown

[mighty belfry]

I feel like the benefit of stimms being applied to your entire team is being severely underestimated

[manic wolf]

None of the other ults have long cooldowns either tho lol

[haughty slate]

giving your team a permanent 20% strength and 15% crit chance is insane for damage output

[zenith pagoda]

It grants complete corruption immunity all game, and some small perks from the stim lab

[regal halo]

Collat a good dump stat on braced auto?

[manic wolf]

The only cooldown heavy bit of Scum is a 100% visco stim, other than that they're barely anything

[final temple]

team stimm + booby trap is quite useful

[haughty slate]

it is the ultimate offensive support option if you build for it

[zenith pagoda]

21s is the highest you wanna go for constant buff

[dim moth]

no, because the Agripinaa variant replaces collateral with penetration

[radiant swift]

but, if you are ok having 2

[regal halo]

Is that the variant with the most ammo?

[radiant swift]

then go for it

[lapis raft]

i basically only play crate since they made it stack chem dep but it really is not very strong, the corruption immune is fine especially with all the burster shit right now, but i def felt a lot more survivable when playing rampage

[haughty slate]

And depending on if your weapon has good horde clear, you can consistently use two branches and only have about a 10-15 second cooldown on higher difficulties with dense hordes to sample collect.

[lapis raft]

and obvs th damage output isnt even close to rampage either

[mighty belfry]

Sample collector makes overlapping on 45s stimms pretty reliable honestly

[dim moth]

least

[mighty belfry]

At least ime

[lapis raft]

yea i run 45s, its almost 100% uptime somewhat reliably

[dim moth]

I do it with 75 second stimms xd

[lapis raft]

as long as you arent just doing nothing

[dim moth]

regularly get 20-30 second cooldowns

[regal halo]

Ah, then collat dump stat should be fine then

[lapis raft]

like 10s cd sometimes

[dim moth]

which is fantastic uptime for a maxed out stimm

[lapis raft]

but yea

[regal halo]

Ill just get a 2nd one later

For that variant specifically

[lapis raft]

i tried 75s for a bit but 30s cd was way too much to play with

would rather just have str almost always up

but with second stimm crate user in team clicking 75s makes sense as you just rotate it

[haughty slate]

People are sleeping on crate. Having a 10 second cooldown on 20% strength, 15% crit, 16% attack speed, and 30% reload time for your ENTIRE team is actually ridiculous

You just have to play a build that gets the most out of sample collector

[lapis raft]

you are not having 10s cd on 75s cd stimms

i couldnt get that reliably even in mortis trials

[mighty belfry]

You can lol

[haughty slate]

If you are using the right weapons with good horde clear on higher difficulties, yes you are

[mighty belfry]

I've overlapped 75s stimms before

[dim moth]

:)

definitely plausible to do in aurics

let alone havoc

[mighty belfry]

It's not entirely reliable to do that but it is definitely possible.

At least in Auric

[lapis raft]

definitely not even remotely reliable

[mighty belfry]

I'd imagine it's actually reliable in Havoc

[haughty slate]

Totally viable. I've been running it in Maelstroms with no problem.

Obviously sometimes the hordes thin out and then you have a longer cooldown, but at that point you don't really need the buff anyway

[mighty belfry]

I need to try it myself but sample collector likes higher density enemy counts

[zenith pagoda]

I run all toxin build in havoc 40s and no, anything higher than 21s is not reliable

[manic wolf]

I gotta be honest, I've never noticed it making that much difference being on the receiving end of the stim crate, If I'm already meetin all the breakpoints I need to, which is pretty common on Scum, then the stim kinda uhh... just doesnt really do very much

[dim moth]

not reliable in aurics but even in havoc 30s you're looking at like

20 second cooldown tops on a 75s stimm

if you're actually contributing

and that's damage for your whole team constantly

[haughty slate]

I wouldn't trust being on the receiving end of it. For all you know they're running cooldown or toughness replenishment. You FEEL it when you're the user though.

[lapis raft]

i think thats still heavily overselling it but ok

[mighty belfry]

How. Is that even possible.

What needle mark are you even using

[limber cradle]

Probably not the II

[bronze glade]

not possible

[haughty slate]

It's not possible. Probably running a bad weapon with it.

[bronze glade]

if you have any half decent psyker on your team

[frigid thorn]

Does hypercritical's instant kill proc sample collector?

[bronze glade]

cuz you simply won't kill fast enough

[dim moth]

yes

[haughty slate]

Scummer can put out close to flame Psyker levels of horde clear if you're running the right weapons

[mighty belfry]

I've literally stolen psyker's flame kills with mkii special

[dim moth]

also frankly in a team comp scum is replacing the psyker

[manic wolf]

I mean, they could, but I would be surprised if they're not using the damage stim shot. There is also the element of relying on your team to deploy it at a useful time, you have control over your own stim an can better use it than your teammate it likely to do

[lapis raft]

i would like to see some tracking of these stats because i dont believe you guys at all from actually playing with the stimm crate and trying both 75s and 45s (and 75s was very unreliable)

[bronze glade]

sounds like a shit ass psyker

[mighty belfry]

You can just shoot into the general direction of their fire and steal their kills

It's hilarious

[manic wolf]

Desp' Scum is just Psyker 2.0, yeah. And I can't wait for it to get sledgehammered into oblivion

[low harbor]

Sample collector really likes high density horde units and completely folds at mixed horde

[haughty slate]

This is why when I run crate, I try to position myself around my team, but I'm really using it off cooldown for myself. If my teammates understand it's buffing them a shitton, great, otherwise I'm pumping my own scoreboard.

[dim moth]

p much yeah

[lapis raft]

well you arent desperado scum when running crate :d

[dim moth]

point of stimm crate is spamming stimm on yourself first

helping your teammates second

which is proof that it's a Good Support Ability™

[haughty slate]

Higher level players will understand that a good crate player's stim will buff the crap out of them. They'll touch it.

[zenith pagoda]

I'm considering swapping cooldown for strength

[haughty slate]

Otherwise it's for me and you're just lucky to sniff my toxic farts

[manic wolf]

I know I'm just using that as an example. Tbh outdamaging Psykers isnt hard on any Scum setup for the most part, but you do actually have to play the game a bit on the non-ranged setups, its just free for those, hence; Psyker 2.0

[haughty slate]

This is why I would never call crate the "support" option. It's a flexible hybrid option for any build.

[bronze glade]

psyker presses one button and you're fucked

[dim moth]

yeah but they won't

[zenith pagoda]

Strength from stim buffs toxin dot right?

[mighty belfry]

Yes

[dim moth]

all damage yes

[haughty slate]

Only a high level flame psyker will be able to compete with your horde clear

[dim moth]

and it's multiplicative because strength

it is an absurd damage boost for your whole team xd

[bronze glade]

or any half decent gunker or traumaker

[frigid thorn]

I really hate playing with flame staff psykers on Auric, i finally see a dense horde to blender through and then they're all melted and dead

[haughty slate]

Nah. Definitely not.

[trim wind]

go desperado and stunt on em

[bronze glade]

both have infinite cleave on their primary weapons

[haughty slate]

Flame psyker just kill the fun for me

[manic wolf]

"High level" and "Flame Psyker" are mutually exclusive terms there bud 😄

[low harbor]

I think stim crate’s best with just a 45s str(crit) stim

[bronze glade]

good luck competing with that

[haughty slate]

trueee

[dim moth]

I do think support scum has comparable damage to inferno psyker

[low harbor]

Cuz CD doesn’t actually matter for stim crate’s

[dim moth]

but not into hordes

[mighty belfry]

I like running 51s with full attack and two attack speed honestly

[haughty slate]

in a much more limited range... we also have a shitload of cleave

[mighty belfry]

Still feels pretty reliable to me.

[supple torrent]

I prefer maxxing out stimms for stim crate

[dim moth]

you pick up a lot of damage that they miss from having better boss damage and armor damage

[dim moth]

Hey that's the stimm I settled on initially too

[supple torrent]

sample collector carries stimm cooldown know that toxin kills count

[dim moth]

Now I just full send 75s stimm because I want that dodge stimm and the crit chance

[mighty belfry]

51s feels like a sweet spot almost.

[low harbor]

Unfortunately dependency doesn’t work well for stim crate spam

Joever

[manic wolf]

Bring a Heavy Sword and kill like 15 dudes per swing, you'll smash them out on damage

[bronze glade]

they have more range than the reach of a melee wepaon and that's enough

[lapis raft]

agreed, even though rending one is decent too

[haughty slate]

And so does scummer

[dim moth]

starve the psyker of enemies so they can never stack soulblaze easy game

[low harbor]

The rending one depends on what ur team’s atks are

[manic wolf]

That is effectively what happens, yeah

[bronze glade]

what

[haughty slate]

Rending is too situational to be worth taking

[low harbor]

15% crit is a more generalist benefit

[dim moth]

yeah rending depends on your teammates weapons

[manic wolf]

Heavy Sword Scum is just fuckin absurd

[dim moth]

and chances are they aren't running weapons that want rending

[mighty belfry]

I also run crate double barrel with max reload speed and three damage nodes. It's worked just fine too.

[manic wolf]

Rending doesnt effect your teammates

[dim moth]

the fuckin stimm crate

[manic wolf]

Brittleness is the debuff one, Rending is on the player

[dim moth]

rending

[low harbor]

Teammates getting the stim buff get the rending bonus

[mighty belfry]

It does though.

[manic wolf]

Oh myb

[mighty belfry]

Your team gets every benefit of your stimm

[tender marten]

rending stim kinda doodoo anyway

probably get more rending out of giving the 15% crit bonus tbh

[haughty slate]

^

this

[tender marten]

maybe if it was 10 + 15% instead

[haughty slate]

I tried both on an autopistol build... the build you would WANT rending on

crit was still better

[frigid thorn]

if you go 100% on a stim, is it best to like go down attack speed and strength?

with sample collector

[dim moth]

nah just make stimm 100% rending that'll be fair

uncanny strikes in a needle

[tender marten]

i usually full send attack speed and strength yeah

[low harbor]

That’s rly only for stim crate builds and yea

[tender marten]

stun immunity for everyone is gigantic

[haughty slate]

Yes. Or CDR if you are not running stim crate.

[frigid thorn]

ahhh ok

if I'm not running stim crate, is strength better than attack speed?

for shivs

[low harbor]

Yea

[haughty slate]

yes

[low harbor]

15% crit chance

[tender marten]

depends what youre doing but generally yes

[haughty slate]

save yourself the carpel tunnel

[frigid thorn]

[haughty slate]

I swapped my shiv build away from Rampage/Adrenaline because I was killing my fucking hand trying to click that fast

[frigid thorn]

😂

[haughty slate]

also adrenaline is crap

[bronze glade]

wat

[manic wolf]

Yeah wat

25% always on melee damage and an attack speed boost is crap?

[bronze glade]

this adrenaline?

[haughty slate]

I prefer chemical dependency

[manic wolf]

🤨

[haughty slate]

with cdr chem you can have close to permanent rampage instead

[frigid thorn]

Also does anyone have a good stim crate build? That's the only one I haven't really played

[haughty slate]

I got tons. What weapons you like?

[bronze glade]

rampage already has a quick cd

[manic wolf]

Yeah...

[frigid thorn]

Doesn't matter honestly lol, just hit me

Rashad, tac axe, shivs, heavy sword

[haughty slate]

30 seconds. With stim 15 or less.

[manic wolf]

Sustained DPS with high peaks and little lows vs high DPS peaks and much bigger lows... There kinda isnt an argument there for melee

[haughty slate]

With chem dependency it's 9 seconds. So you cut 21 seconds off the cooldown.

It's nice. Feels much better to play imo.

[bronze glade]

ok but in exchange you could have adren up ALL the time

[haughty slate]

If you go rampage/adrenaline you have very high highs and lower lows. My build evens it out.

[manic wolf]

No, you dont have lower lows

[supple torrent]

isnt chem dep actually cooldown regen

[manic wolf]

25% ALWAYS ON melee damage

Plus 10% attack speed

Thats like a 35% always on DPS increase

You still have the stim on top

[haughty slate]

I prefer 50% melee damage and 20% attack speed and 50% cleave and stun immunity

[bronze glade]

over 75% melee damage and 30% attack speed and 50% cleave and stun immunity?

[haughty slate]

if you're willing to wait 30 seconds, yes

I like the uptime more

[bronze glade]

im not waiting 30s

[manic wolf]

Thats why you use your stim inbetween CD's

[bronze glade]

because i have cd stimm

and in practice, you won't need rampage up 100% of the time

[haughty slate]

then we're basically running the same build

[bronze glade]

even at higher difficulties

[bronze glade]

yes but i'm running adren instead of dep

[manic wolf]

Adrenaline on its own is literally a cruise through a mission viable keystone tbh

Its like having an always on second ult lol

[haughty slate]

yeah so you get more attack power and speed and I get more crit, cdr, and toughness damage reduction

different strokes for different folks

[bronze glade]

i can see the argument for taking dep on rampage for the crit

but the cdr is a nothingburger in practice

[lapis raft]

i rly liked chemp dep with rampage

[charred bronze]

It's really good, but not spiky so not as notable as the full on bath salts neuron activation mode that is rampage.

[haughty slate]

it's a small bonus. I don't like going without rampage.

feels too fun

[haughty slate]

This

[bronze glade]

that's why you take both

[charred bronze]

So I get why people are speccing chem dep for more rampage

[lapis raft]

chem dep is mostly just 100% uptime very good stats thats why i like it

and yea makes your ability better as long as the ability isnt stimm crate :d

with stimm crate its just theme but there is 0 synergy so oh well

[charred bronze]

Some of the talents you need to take to get it are great too

[lapis raft]

chem dep rly should give stimm cdr

[haughty slate]

sad but true... I see so many folks still taking crate with chemical dependency

breaks my little heart

[haughty slate]

This would be the right way to do it

[novel quest]

they should make rampage cd function like exec stance so that your cd goes as your ability is active LOL

[charred bronze]

Lol, I think rampage is strong enough

[haughty slate]

Honestly though. Rampage really doesn't need as many drawbacks as they gave it.

[low harbor]

NAH

[haughty slate]

Also true though

[tight musk]

If you use sample collector, which you really should on a supply build, it doesn't really matter how long the stimm cooldown is, imo. You can get it back like every 30 seconds.

[novel quest]

25% damage taken for 7 seconds seems fair imo

[haughty slate]

If they made rampage go on cooldown as soon as you pop it they would HAVE to increase the base cooldown

[novel quest]

the stamina regen penalty not so much

[lapis raft]

i dont think rampage should have the stam penalty yea

thats just extremely unfun mechanic

[charred bronze]

I literally don't notice it

[haughty slate]

the only time you would notice is when it completely fucks you

[lapis raft]

yea xd

[low harbor]

sample collector scales differently based on the enemies u fight, against pure horde units it's great, against a elite units it's not as good (emphasis on "as")

[drifting heron]

The 7 seconds from rampage is kinda fun

Makes you actually take a second

[novel quest]

I like it but tbh idk if it's just me but I never feel the 25% damage taken

[charred bronze]

I notice the second free shout, yay

[tight musk]

I mean...when are you not fighting a horde, tbh?

[zealous ravine]

i'd rather the exhaust actually be noticeable

[haughty slate]

it's a nice little reset before snorting another line of scum dust

[novel quest]

especially when you're making back all the toughness dmg you take in a millisecond

[novel quest]

same here

[zealous ravine]

aka have a screen effect for it or make it reduce movement speed or attack speed

otherwise i forget it exists in 3 minutes

[low harbor]

the thing is, stim crate builds just aren't as good as melee/ranged builds vs mixed horde most of the time
I think 75s stim is gud but takes very significant minmax

[novel quest]

I get why the 75% reduced stamina, it's because of the talent with DR based on stamina (which like everyone should be picking) but the regen penalty seems a bit much

[unkempt tide]

is pocket toxin worth it with chem grenade

[tight musk]

I tend to notice that something is wrong when I suddenly lose like 30% extra attack speed cause my stamina went down to zero.

[novel quest]

I'm not sure? I believe chem nades have capped tox stacks

people tend to run pocket toxin with blinders

(I'm people)

[amber sundial]

i think it only works on the initial explosion

[novel quest]

also I've been running boom bringer on my despacito scum build

it's

so much fun

[haughty slate]

thank god for the boom bringer buffs

[novel quest]

they did a really good job in buffing the launcher

it feels great

[zenith fern]

Too many buffs

[novel quest]

nah too little we need it to REGEN

[haughty slate]

https://tenor.com/view/crumch-game-grumps-aaaaaa-aah-aaah-gif-20318560

[zenith fern]

At least people can have fun before scum gets small nerfs

[novel quest]

I've been seeing people say this effectively makes ogryn's nade box useless but I know nothing about that class

[zenith fern]

Ogryn box is not the same

It is more of a tool for crowd control and saves

[novel quest]

ye that's what I thought, it's not really for crusher instakills

[haughty slate]

If anything it makes Ogryn's big one grenade redundant

[zenith fern]

Somehow Ogryn nuke can't kill a crusher smh

But let the scrapper have more fun

And 3 rockets

[novel quest]

I plan on running the rock when I start ogryn so

no difference to me!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204429333972910091/1391989829344034957/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[zenith fern]

Rock is my goat, goodbye nuke

[frigid thorn]

Do you need the Weakspot Damage node on a Rashad Rampage/Adrenaline build? Or can I save that point to somewhere else

[bronze glade]

good

ogryn deserves to suffer

[zenith fern]

[haughty slate]

Depends on if it helps you meet breakpoint

[zenith fern]

Big man gets enough slander and I will stand as one of the few alive

[frigid thorn]

I remember Bath was taking it on his build

[novel quest]

I saw an ogryn with a rock send a pouncing hound back to the remnants of Cadia so I was like firm in the belief that I have to use the rock when I start ogryn

[frigid thorn]

but I guess I need to test

[haughty slate]

Ogryns are my special boys and I would die to protect them but they're too busy dying protecting me.

[novel quest]

I swear

in my

250-ish hours of darktide

I have only seen an ogryn die three times

[frigid thorn]

Also did we ever figure out if it was worth taking hypercritical AND hyperviolence together

[novel quest]

and I get an ogryn every other game

[tight musk]

I did the boom bringer penance before the buffs and all I got was this stupid...does this even count as a shirt?

[novel quest]

they're fkn beefy

[haughty slate]

Not yet. Waiting for Mr. E and Tanner's youtube domestic to start.

Let the nerds duke it out first

[frigid thorn]

also link me your crate build!

[novel quest]

forgot that Mr. E was a youtube channel for a sec cuz I always call him Mr. Pee

so I genuinely thought for a second that the Emperor has a youtube channel and actively is seeking to beef with the darktide femboy that likes men

[final temple]

it looks like it’s not interfering THAT much. there is a chance that HC eats a HV stack on elite but unlikely on horde chaff

[amber sundial]

hyper crit makes you deal 0 overkill dmg

[frigid thorn]

ah ok

[tight musk]

Why would Mr E have beef with his (male) girlfriend?

[novel quest]

darktide youtube toxic yaoi arc

I'd watch that

[haughty slate]

They disagreed on taking the hyper nodes together. Best to get in the bomb shelter now.

[haughty slate]

I fucking WISH the emprah had a youtube channel

[ruby kelp]

what does mk2 of the needle gun do

[final temple]

did they? oh my. oh gosh. who said what?

[ruby kelp]

ah ty

[novel quest]

I headcanon that the Emperor is just in a 24/7 discord call with the primarchs and they all spitball ideas of ways to fuck with humans, which is why the Seer gets so much outlandish shit from their beloved

[latent belfry]

Does this mean the lion and guilliman were kicked from emps discord call to go get a job

[haughty slate]

Femboy Tanner said don't take the nodes together and Certified Chill Guy Mr. E said they work well in enabling each other.

[final temple]

they are on mobile with flaky connection which makes peter turbo mald

[versed spruce]

Implying that Tanner knows enough of what he's talking about to be called a nerd

[manic wolf]

They're both idiots

[latent belfry]

Even if he wasn't a psykanium queen like,,,, it doesn't seem like he considers anything but his own testing

[haughty slate]

Tanner is a massive nerd. I told him I have a build that has invincibility from Vulture's Dodge up 80% of the time.

[novel quest]

yeah, and it's also why the seer always has their beloved talking shit to the others

[latent belfry]

"Guys I told you I want to have a STABLE CONNECTION tonight"

[haughty slate]

He said "show me". I showed him. He goes "using the shredder autopistol is re****ed"

and I said 'kay

[latent belfry]

Average tanner response

[haughty slate]

that was the end of the convo lol

[novel quest]

he's not wrong LMFAAOOOOO

[final temple]

while I was previously convinced tanner was onto sth, after @low harbor pointed out a misunderstanding on my part and after some limited testing I am under the impression that the interference is hard to notice but I can definitely make out both HC procs and HV stacking

[haughty slate]

It's actually REALLY good on scum

melts everything that isn't a crusher

[novel quest]

it is

just there's better options

but obviously

tanner has zero filter

[latent belfry]

Vraks auto

[novel quest]

so you got that for a response LOL

[versed spruce]

Run n Gun built-in is a nice function, you can't lie

[supple torrent]

should have added run n reload

[manic wolf]

Not really tbh, its a midpoint between Vraks and DAPs

They're kinda all S tier

[haughty slate]

Not if you want to be invinicible 80% of the time. The shredder autopistol is the only gun that does that on scummer. That was my entire point.

[novel oracle]

i mean you can get the same result with dual autos too

[versed spruce]

As far as I can tell, hyper-viol and hyper-crit would still work decently together because when you kill something without a crit, you're getting a damage boost that amplifies your next possible crit

Making hypercrit better when hyperviol procs

[haughty slate]

They don't have as consistent crit or fast enough reload

[versed spruce]

Is it awkward? Yeah and I wouldn't take it

[manic wolf]

Im still dubious if Hypercrit is worth taking at all versus Hyperviolence personally aha

[versed spruce]

But it like, does something other than nerf you at least

[novel quest]

tbh only darktide youtuber I watch is Reginald, he has the most reasonable takes

[haughty slate]

I put out some darktide build vids a while back

[novel oracle]

speedload exists (and id take it on both for scum), and they have consistent crit
shredder autopistol has -2% crit but has crit chains
dual autos has +5% crit but doesnt have crit chains

[haughty slate]

I might get back into it

[supple torrent]

If you're not investing in melee you might as well grab hypercrit

[novel oracle]

the raw damage from the dual autos is also higher into basically everything except maniac

[novel quest]

like he's not as frantic as tanner or as "it's joever" as Mr. E

[haughty slate]

You don't need to take speedload on shredder, which means you can take calvacade and blaze away. In that case, your average dps is actually probably better than autopistols since you can constantly mag dump.

I think they're both completely broken personally

I love them

[manic wolf]

Just take Blaze/Pinning, you really dont need Cav

[versed spruce]

Idk about higher than dual autos, but I'm sure it's good

[frigid thorn]

yeah I didn't feel the need to take speedload on the Shredder, it reloads almost instantly

[versed spruce]

Dual autos are just ridiculously strong

[novel oracle]

you really dont need the crit chance

[novel quest]

I LOL'd when I saw this

[haughty slate]

Calv is for broken Vulture's Dodge interaction

[versed spruce]

Not exactly a standard of balance

[novel oracle]

which you have enough of already

[manic wolf]

It uhh.. crits enough to proc that constantly as it is

[frigid thorn]

I really enjoy Shredder autopistol, i can actually hit things nicely at range lol

[novel oracle]

scum has 10% crit chance base, 15% more from vultures dodge, and 20% from float

and only -2% from shredder

[versed spruce]

Shredder also has a flashlight

Beat that liberal

[novel oracle]

the same is true for the dual autos but it has 5% more instead of -2%

[novel quest]

just use your eyes bru

[sturdy linden]

This was comedy even before the talent tree reshuffle. Now it's just omegalul

[novel oracle]

like you literally have it up all the time

as long as youre shooting something

which you can do all the time with speedloader

[haughty slate]

But more doesn't hurt at all, especially if you're fishing for vulture's dodge refresh before reload

plus more damage

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/savosandsavos-gif-10098754770260943602

[sturdy linden]

Shredder does not have more damage

DAPs have higher damage

[novel oracle]

the crit damage of the shredder autopistol is laughably pitiful

[manic wolf]

It doesnt hurt, until you factor in the damage loss from not taking Pinning, then it hurts a lot

[novel oracle]

like its only noticable into carapace

[sturdy linden]

Shredder has more stagger which is.. ok, sure

[novel oracle]

and are you really shooting crushers that much for you to make it like 10% better into them with a blessing

[frigid thorn]

but would you give up blaze away for speedloader on the shredder autopistol?

[zenith fern]

Ranged and melee Scum needs some help....

[manic wolf]

No

[novel quest]

oh yea I was giggling even before the tree shuffle

[haughty slate]

Yall are missing the point but ok

[versed spruce]

God forbid a fellow find a reason for the shredder to exist

[novel oracle]

no we're really not

[haughty slate]

it crits in strings...

making crits more value on it than other guns even if it doesn't have as high highs

[sturdy linden]

I mean it's usable, a lot of guns are usable with Despacito

[novel oracle]

yes but the crit damage bonus is very small

[manic wolf]

Shredder is slightly less damage than DAPs, but more consistently accurate over range. Its basically on par and its very good on Scum, it has plenty reason to exist lol

[haughty slate]

also shredder does do a lot more damage since the buffs... the issue has always been the low ammo pool

[calm aurora]

Exposed.

[sturdy linden]

What i like about scum is it enables a lot more weapons than other classes do

[novel quest]

it's a usable gun it's just not ideal in about every context

[haughty slate]

same

[novel quest]

I like the SAP because I fire it gangster style

[haughty slate]

It's definitely a top tier gun for scum

[novel oracle]

yeah im not talking down to it
im saying both fill the same role, and that you have enough crit chance baseline and with talents youd be taking anyway (crit on dodge and vultures mark)

[novel quest]

I just like being able to shoot gangster style with it and not have my recoil go to the moon

[icy scaffold]

I wish scum could take recon las

[novel quest]

someone said "give scum dsword" and I was like HELL NAH!!!!!!!

[icy scaffold]

Yea dueling sword is too fancy for scum

[manic wolf]

I wasnt debating you in the least 😄 I agree, I was responding to the comment about Shredder not having a reason to exist

[haughty slate]

I'll try it with pinning fire. If it still can crit at the end of its reload that would make the shredder even stronger.

[novel quest]

honestly when it comes to scum I'm a class-exclusive weapon purist because the other guns don't seem tacky enough for scum, unlike stubs, shivs, bonesaw, crowbar, etcetc

[sturdy linden]

Imagine a scum using mk2 DS with Nimble. Uses 1 dodge and flies off the map instantly.

[haughty slate]

that's fair honestly

[novel quest]

did nimble get fixed?

[sturdy linden]

It was never bugged

[novel quest]

it wasn't?

I kept seeing everywhere "oh yeah nimble is bugged"

[manic wolf]

I swear you ask this every day or so

[sturdy linden]

Sec where's Cole's write up

[icy scaffold]

I’m really liking the bolt pistol for funny boom shenanigans

[sturdy linden]

It really needs to be pinned

[novel quest]

I don't

💔

[glad latch]

I mean you can already do this with the combat blade

[novel oracle]

people thought it was bugged cuz it wasnt working with ranged, when in reality they were just learning what parts of dodges work with what

[frigid thorn]

Is it worth dumping Collateral on the Dual Autopistols over mobility btw?

[icy scaffold]

Does it even make a big enough difference?

[calm aurora]

Yeah

[haughty slate]

Doesn't make a massive difference but yes. Mobility is nice.

[calm aurora]

You won't use pinning fire

[limber cradle]

Give me these mfs

[calm aurora]

So dump collat

[sturdy linden]

#hivescum-class message

[trim wind]

i will use pinning fire

[sturdy linden]

Somebody should really pin this

[trim wind]

you can't tell me what to do!

[manic wolf]

Im hesitent to dump collat on any weapon that can roll pinning, even if you dont intend to use it

[icy scaffold]

I’ve heard some people prefer pinning fire over blaze away

[manic wolf]

Future proofing and what not

[calm aurora]

Blaze away speedloader is the Way

[calm aurora]

Get 2 sets bro

I do run a perfect 76 tho

[novel quest]

so it's increasing your successful dodge window in melee only

[sturdy linden]

Pinning on DAPs kinda shit ngl

[novel oracle]

yes

cuz its making your dodge faster, it makes it slightly worse against ranged as a side effect

[frigid thorn]

I swear to god I always end up dumping mobility on a eapon with collateral only to find out the collateral does nothing for it lmao

[novel oracle]

but scum can also just take the dodge slide node and slide to dodge both at the same time so

[icy scaffold]

Isn’t mobility usually like a couple percent difference between 60 and 80?

[manic wolf]

Idk, Ive not tried it, I dont like how they make your screen vibrate like you're sitting on a Hitachi thats on full blast an they basically require Sticky Hands to not spray everywhere like a bird sat on afrorementioned Hitachi

[winter galleon]

it may not be bugged but wonder if theyll extend the dodge duration for range too just for consistency since to a lot of people it makes it feel "bugged"

[novel oracle]

that would require them to rework how dodges work for this one specific talent

i doubt theyd do that

[manic wolf]

The only issue present regarding Nimble is a skill issue, quite frankly

Its a strong as fuck skill

[novel quest]

I did notice how much more I go flying when I do ledge dodges in melee

[calm aurora]

True

[manic wolf]

Being able to do that off boxes and stuff can save runs, its such a good feature

Yeeting yourself out of floor is lava situations and what not

[novel quest]

I really like doing it

it's a lot of fun

[manic wolf]

Yer, Nimble is one of my favourite Scummer talents for sure

[tight hornet]

is the hivescum haircut color bugged when you try to change it at the barber?

[sullen ridge]

can you even find 3 stamina curios anymore

im gonna sob

[glad latch]

It's affected by lighting a lot if you mean the colours don't match with the barber.

[manic wolf]

I got one out of Brunt's couple days ago, they still exist

Or you can spend all your Melk-tokens and hope ofc

[winged dawn]

They're super rare but still there

[tight hornet]

no I meant I literally can't pick the color at the barber and its this one specific color

[sullen ridge]

been there done that

[manic wolf]

My condolences

[tight hornet]

if I try and change his hair to that specific color it does not apply it

[manic wolf]

Melk is not a kind god

[glad latch]

Oh, what colour?

[tight hornet]

to me it looks like orange, its the eleventh color from top to bottom

below the green hair color unique to hivescum

[glad latch]

Could be a bug or code error. Have you tried closing the game and doing file verification?

[echo python]

I think that's the orange one from owning Vermintide 2, it should be useable if you can see it. Do other characters have the same issue?

[winter galleon]

ive had like 4 410+ +3 in last day alone but still need another 17% tough

so they exist

[glad latch]

Oh yeah, it might be the orange hair for owning VT2.

I forgot that was a thing since I don't use it, although I use the orange eyes on my psyker.

[tight hornet]

let me try and restart the game

[glad latch]

ok

[tight hornet]

its weird cause first I tried changing to another hairstyle then this orange color and it wasnt changing, then I tried changing the hairstyle again with the same option I did previously but this time with a different color and it worked

[exotic temple]

I like using it but I also swap weapons quite a bit and with dap I can kill specials a little farther out.

[tight hornet]

I restarted it and I still can't change to this color

[echo python]

Is the problem happening on other classes as well?

[tight hornet]

let me try it out

[echo python]

I'm thinking it may be some weird things with verifying DLC ownership going on, sending in a ticket to fatshark's support is probably the best option in that case

[tight hornet]

huh I tried changing my zealot hair to the same color and it didn't

[amber sundial]

had that bug before, hair was orange but beard couldnt go orange, swapped hair to a different color then it let me make my beard orange

then i was able to make hair orange too

[tight hornet]

my beard is orange yes

on my hivescum

[short sundial]

what stat should i dump for the dual stub pistols?

[manic wolf]

Mobility

[short sundial]

alr thx

[manic wolf]

🫡

[grand jewel]

damage

[tight hornet]

is this color a dlc one or something cause I can't change it even on zealot

[last marsh]

are you even a real darktide player if you havent beaten havok 40 with white quality weapons with lowest damage, no curios

no talents

[echo python]

If it's the bright orange one, then it's acquired by owning Vermintide 2

[tight hornet]

I have vermintide even before this game was released I think

[manic wolf]

You gotta do it at level 1 with your starter weapons or it dont count

[tight hornet]

my facial hair is currently this bright orange one and if I click to remove the color the barber doesnt let me complete the order

[lost token]

Do people even still play vt1 enough to find random games or do people need to find players for it?

[echo python]

Well, first time I've seen that bug

[tight hornet]

now Im afraid to change the color on my facial hair and not be able to use it back again

[echo python]

Fatshark's support page may or may not have an answer, if it doesn't you can send in a ticket. Maybe someone on the forums has had the same issue

[zenith fern]

They dont reply during weekends btw

Only on week days

[grand jewel]

truth

[solar phoenix]

anyone got a good dual autopistol build?

[novel oracle]

in the pins

[exotic temple]

I was saying yesterday van Saar and spyrehunters would be great cosmetics

[broken bear]

@lost token girl u know anything abt piercings?

[exotic temple]

Hell I just think necromunda in general has great models

[limber cradle]

I think they'd look insane but I'm kinda against DAoT tech cosmetics, would feel outta place

[exotic temple]

To a certain extent I agree but as long as we don’t get the weird claw and wing things I think it wouldn’t be too bad

[tight musk]

Yes.

[visual prairie]

every time i want 21% health or 17% toughness those 3 stamina curios appear

[final temple]

Van Saar is DAoT? thought their stuff gives them turbocancer

[lost token]

Other than piercers worth their salt usually have some kind of certification or an equivalent.

Not exactly my ballpark yet. Most of the piercings i want are in nerve hotstops too so...Idk lmao i get intimated easily.

[limber cradle]

It's a busted STC, prints DAoT armors but incorrectly shields their power source. VS are trading their lives for power pretty literally.

[limber cradle]

I've had my ears and nose done fwiw

[final temple]

ah. now it comes together.

[supple delta]

Are there Hivescum guides yet?

[zenith fern]

theres a guide for scum talents breakdown on pinned

[tight musk]

Really funny that a fucking regular ass crowbar costs about as much in the store as a whole ass chainaxe/chainsword.

[broken bear]

sick

[wind crane]

are there some mods that can remove all of the annoying effects?

[broken bear]

yea i just changed a piercing

so much blood

😭

i fucked up

[radiant swift]

remove screen effects or something like that on nexus mods

[light goblet]

Smuggling is expensive

[limber cradle]

You got saline?

[broken bear]

slathered it in saline

to wash the blood away

[limber cradle]

Good, sterilize the piercing too

You have a surgical steel one rn right

[low harbor]

crowbar created from an STC found several millenia ago that has monomolecular beak or smth

[bronze glade]

i like how this talent is basically a sidegrade

[broken bear]

titanium

[bronze glade]

but costs an entire fucking point

[wind crane]

this?

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/17?tab=description

[low harbor]

this gets mogged by adrenaline smiter (killing blow)

[bronze glade]

yeah it's actually pathetic

[supple delta]

What are the dump stats on each Hive Scum weapon?

[amber sundial]

mobility

[radiant swift]

mobility for melee, colateral most of the time for ranged rest of the time mobi

[supple delta]

Is Stopping Power a passable dump stat on the dual autos? Got a 61% stopping power roll

[low harbor]

never dump stopping power

[radiant swift]

stopping power directly effects damage whenever it shows up

[light goblet]

If you wanna shoot water you can dump it ig

[radiant swift]

needle pistol dumps damage I believe as the stand out

[light goblet]

Flamer does too, things that primarily rely on DoT (which for scum is just the needles)

Cos the needle does like 2 damage

[radiant swift]

they both have shit base damage becuase of the ot focus yeah

[light goblet]

And DoT doesn't benefit from weapon damage like that

[supple delta]

What perks on dual autos and dual daggers?

[radiant swift]

Carapace/unyielding for shivs

[supple delta]

Anything else? I am currently going through the campaign

I remember Unyielding being only bosses and like one other enemy, which was it?

[icy scaffold]

Dual autos is Flak/Maniac/Unyielding depending on your preference

[light goblet]

Bulwarks and reapers are also unyielding mostly

[supple delta]

Is that a change from this year?

[light goblet]

Shiv heavies do enough damage to deal with maniac/flak without perks iirc

[light goblet]

No

[wheat rune]

How tf you use the special attack for the dual pistols? Everytime I click the button that activates every other weapons special attack nothing happens

[winter galleon]

it is a quicktime event type attack

it narrows your crosshair to a very accurate shot

[wheat rune]

what do I need to do to enter the quicktime event?

[radiant swift]

shot

[winter galleon]

just click the special and shoot when its small crosshair

[wheat rune]

alright, cheers

[halcyon apex]

First time changing it?

[light goblet]

You hold the button and start spinning your guns and you can only shoot at certain times but its 100% accurate

[wheat rune]

gotcha

[zenith fern]

shoot