hivescum-class

[obsidian crown]

I remember a clip someone posted in veteran chat way back then where a guy peeked a corner, insta died

Like didn’t even down, just casualty

Because there was like 40 gunners in next room who lasered him through revive health instantly

[tender forge]

This may be why I still dislike havoc

[obsidian crown]

It’s better now

They toned it down

[tender forge]

Oh?

[obsidian crown]

They made changes a while ago

[tender forge]

Though it was that combined with the ammo restrictions

[obsidian crown]

Gunners still bad yes

[tender forge]

Did some 40s as arbeetes when it came out and it was easier

[obsidian crown]

But not as bad as OG emperor

[light linden]

deffo

[frigid basalt]

they silently made gunners the biggest threat

[final temple]

I would claim that anything higher than heresy has an audience of experienced players that drive up the amount of halfway coordinated runs.

[tender forge]

Og let me do a 14 minute h40 though

[light linden]

you can actually go out into an open field and engage in melee now, despite two shooters aiming at you

[frigid basalt]

used to be that basically 1 shooter could completely destroy you

[obsidian crown]

Stealth huh

[frigid basalt]

it's still can but not as bad now

[light linden]

stimms 😠

[north meteor]

Rn I haven't played Havoc in awhile and I ran a low one to get back into it. Now my 22 was a curse even with havoc-forged on. I did get 29 last night though, but 40s still don't let me in lmao

[frigid basalt]

total war 40k is coming sometime

kind weird though

[north meteor]

BUT I had a 35 let me in bc of Havoc Forged lmao

[frigid basalt]

the ultra marine looks like it's trying to kill the guardsman

I understand the ultramarine is trying to do a wide sweep

but it looks like he's mad dogging the guardsman

[abstract lichen]

Question is why is the catachannblade veteran in melee range

[final temple]

that’s cause the guardsman is an Ork xD

nevermind. you mean the top one. I looked at the right side.

[calm aurora]

wdym

[abstract lichen]

I don't think he has a chance against anyone on the mount

[exotic temple]

I haven’t been able to make it work but i honestly haven’t tried hard either. I was working on getting bonesaw to feel good before heading off on my shift.

[lost bear]

How does total 40k even work

Doesn't 40k fit more of a Company of Heroes scale game in the Dawn of War vein?

Total 40k feels like Epic scaling

[exotic temple]

Dow style maybe but like land battle seems like it could work

[lost bear]

Single squad of Movie Marines as one unit

10 dudes

[exotic temple]

It could be epic if ca doesn’t kark it

[compact oyster]

it seems like total war 40k has a battle per planet

but its also galaxywide

its gonna be funny seeing how they do strategy with this

[lost bear]

Stellaris 40k

[compact oyster]

since you need to watch multiple planet battles at the same time

[exotic temple]

I could see solar system but getting past that would get super annoying

[lost bear]

Tbf at some point I ended up autoresolving shit a lot

[exotic temple]

Total Warhammer is tedious with just a single planet

[final temple]

we don’t know much yet as the trailer had like 10sec gameplay. looks like tt sized troops on tw real time combat scale and a planetary map scaling to whole systems

[lost bear]

Didn't matter if I lost more dudes than strictly necessary at the tactical level, operationally I was gonna win

Red Army in WW2 logic basically

"Yeah your KDA was nice, but what was your record on capital cities held?"

[exotic temple]

I just have to see more.

[lost bear]

I'm interested but also confused about how it's going to work

Terra Invicta is the main game I can think of like that

[frigid basalt]

there was a little bit of gameplay at the end of the trailer

it seems like it's very DoW2 or company of heroes

just scaled up

[rare idol]

Basically the same way TW Warhammer does

It’s the same stuff but with guns and a few more vehicles

“But but but cover” they’ve let you attach units to barriers since shogun 1

[exotic temple]

I wonder if gw is going to get involved. The smaller coh seems to be dow territory and they are making dow4 soon

[rare idol]

Nobody gives a hoot that the formations are totally incorrect for melee fighting so I’m confused why anyone would care when it’s guns fighting

[rustic zinc]

Yeah it's a bit of work to create a Company of Heroes style cover system, but not like it'd be impossible to just add one more thing to a TW engine

[frigid basalt]

they're using a new engine now

[rare idol]

Why would they bother when they can just create standard wall attachment pieces on the ground and put some mildly different graphics on them

[frigid basalt]

I imagine cover is just like

reduce ranged damage from a certain direction by x amount

or x% chance it doesn't hit

like shields already do

[exotic temple]

That seems like that would conflict with Dow but who knows. Tw40k seems like it would be better as get 2 max level armies and smack them together

[rare idol]

They’ve used physics based modeling of arrows for a very long time so they’ll probably do that. The arrow hits the wall it’s a miss, goes thru its a hit

[rustic zinc]

Because it's exactly the sort of incremental improvement you really want to do with each major release of a game of a long-running franchise. It's not like they were liek "THEY GOT DODGES Y THEY NEED SLIDES?" when they approached Darktide, right?

[rare idol]

Slides were a mistake tbh

[exotic temple]

Slides should have been an agility class gimmick

[rare idol]

The entire game is now all about sliding around

[frigid basalt]

that kind of caused the issues total war 3 has

[exotic temple]

Ogryns sliding around is dumb

[rare idol]

You’d think every character was wearing a lube suit they spend so much time sliding

[frigid basalt]

they just took an old engine and tried to do new stuff with it

with a new coat of paint

lots of bugs, walls being dog shit

[rare idol]

Yeah they’re gonna do the same thing again because they’ve done the same thing for 30 years

[frigid basalt]

they're using a new engine now

or at least they might be?

they said they've made a new engine

[rare idol]

Oh wow for the fifth time really? I’m sure that will change 30 years of lazy coding

[frigid basalt]

so it would be weird if they didn't use it

[tender forge]

And sycorax (it was very fun)

[exotic temple]

40k years in the future we have lost the technology for good gun optics but we have figured out frictionless pants

[rare idol]

Finally step bro won’t have to help because you can’t get stuck

Next we should get dives to really maximize the total stupidity of the movement system

[frigid basalt]

if ogryn dives he knocks everyone over

new meta

[tender forge]

No, dive rolls

[frigid basalt]

we can finally pounce the enemies

[tender forge]

With bleed on dive roll hit

[frigid basalt]

on dive roll crit, apply 4 brittleness

[rare idol]

Sonic the Grimderp Hedgehog

[exotic temple]

Dive would make more sense on ogryn tbh

[tender forge]

And if you dive into a crusher you bounce off

[rare idol]

I’d also like to be able to jump on enemies heads

[thin crag]

is battering momentum worth it for the shivs?

i feel like it’s not

[sturdy linden]

Why wouldn't it be on a high attack speed, high crit, high finesse weapon?

That too with a sweeping moveset

[tall dome]

can I ask about the needle pistol, I dont understand the diff between the marks

[atomic swallow]

One on blue alt fire explodes doing stagger and does more Chem stacks on crit. The other one spreads stacks when they die to alt fire mode.

[tall dome]

obv we start with MK6

right

i'm not sure which one is better to run with a saw

6 is explosion, 2 is spread on death

[atomic swallow]

I like the spread version cause it handles shooter packs neatly

[final temple]

question. suppose I run a bonesaw with the typical decimator + SnA and I had to choose between BS or BM. what would you choose?

[icy scaffold]

I think MK2 is generally considered the best since the explosion on the MK6 doesn’t seem to do a whole lot. (It’s funny though)

[tall dome]

thats fair

[final temple]

you run mk2 for general use or mk6 for hunting specialists

[tall dome]

I'm modding a vraks braced autogun. im thinking fire frenzy speedloader

for funny fire all day shenans

[radiant swift]

probably want deathspitter over FF

if you aren't gonna run both

more cleave is funny on braced weapons

[north crow]

so, anyone knows whether a hyper crit procs reset hyper vio, or rather just postpones the stacking?

[final temple]

it eats the HV stack.

[north crow]

ye, but does it reset the stacking

[final temple]

yes

[warm light]

what counts as fully staggered

hard to tell

[north crow]

or you continue on next noncrit

prolly stagger2 counts

3 stages of stagger

flinch, knocback, knockdown

medium stagger is most likely enough

would be borderline unproccable if only knockdown matters

[dim moth]

the humble blackout grenade

[north crow]

I don' think the best use case for it

15% stagger dmg is an abri thing, not scum in my book

[radiant swift]

it's pretty bait

[novel folio]

Question to auric/havoc scums playing melee what blessings would you get on crit melee build using rashad combat axe? brutal momentum for sure but headtaker would still be better then decapitator?

[radiant swift]

generally yes

[lilac ermine]

"Against enemies who are put into stagger types heavy, sticky, and explosion, increases any damage by 15%; stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs.

Generally, for most enemies, an enemy is in a 'heavy stagger' state when the animation shows the enemy as being knocked down to the ground. Note that, for this talent, enemies also count as 'heavily staggered' when they are staggered because of (1) ripping heavy attacks from Bone Saw or Crowbar, because (2) a revved up chain weapon or an activated Force Sword is stuck on them, or because of (3) electrocution caused by Zealot's Stunstorm Grenade, by Psyker's Elektrokinetic Staff, by Arbitrator's Shock Mine, by the (Arbites) Shock Maul weapon special, or by weapon blessings Lightning Reflexes and Overwhelming Force.

Also note that this talent's damage buff is always active against enemies who have been put into 'heavy stagger' state by force stagger sources, e.g. the shout granted by Forge's Bellow."

[warm light]

so flinching isnt considered fully staggered

[radiant swift]

decap may have single target controlled higher dps when fully ramped. but loses all the other bonuses power gives (assuming I am remembering what decap does right)

[lilac ermine]

From kuli's guide

[lilac ermine]

Looks like only from, forge below, knock down, and bonesaw/crowbar special for hive scum

[north crow]

yea, 15% stagger node is for crowbar

[radiant swift]

the numbers are just kinda low for how specific it is, unless you are really trying focus single target on a crowbar/bownsaw/chain weapon

[lilac ermine]

I wish float like butterfly didnt need the melee talent above it

[novel folio]

it gives up to 120% finesse damage on crits

[rotund agate]

I always take the melee toughness gain talent regardless of the build…

[lilac ermine]

I didnt cus I rarely pull out my melee

[true yoke]

Im trying to start doing Havoc or Maelstrom missions, is there a best build for that ?

[lilac ermine]

I played desperado build in those and it worked good 100% winrate

[true yoke]

do you use the glocks or the uzis for your desperado?

[lilac ermine]

Uzi

[true yoke]

ok ill give them a try tonight, I was rocking the glocks but it always felt like I had to reload at awkward times. Could be im just bad tbf

[lilac ermine]

Ill give you pic, with speedload blessing and talent you reload super fast so dont have to waste desperado

[lilac ermine]

Idk if I picked the right shivs I just made this from what I remember I use

[north crow]

you picked the wrong one

you can tell by the picture which is which

the good one is the spiral blade

[lilac ermine]

👍

[sturdy linden]

The boxcutters are also good though

[north crow]

hmm

are they tho

[sturdy linden]

Faster lights

[north crow]

I've used em for the heavy rampage penance

did not impress

[lilac ermine]

Everyone always says that box build is for team play on havoc but vulture stacks give like 15% toughness to whole team

[north crow]

with hyper crit, light spam on mk1 will take care of humans

[sturdy linden]

Their lights are pretty noticeably faster than corkscrews

[north crow]

and heavies are far superior for oggies

[sturdy linden]

I do not use hc, I use hv

[north crow]

I can see your point in that case

but hyper crit bugs are fixed

so yea

[sturdy linden]

I know

But what happens with boxcutters is

[north crow]

if you needle oggies, I can see them being better

[sturdy linden]

You turn into a human blender, build up shit tons of HV stacks, and then you go eat carapace for breakfast

[north crow]

mk1 is just simple, effective

[dim moth]

not really

[north crow]

monkey brain off

[dim moth]

Mk3 still has the better of the two heavies after a push attack

[north crow]

I know

PA heavy is a lot of DPS loss vs packs tho

since PA is not a strikedown

would be fine if it would be

than I'd prolly use it

my usagerate on knives is like 90%+ mk6

[dim moth]

100% Mk3

strikedown heavies BAD

faster lights GOOD

[north crow]

you lost me there mate

let's just agree to disagree

[bronze glade]

Ah that explains lol

[lilac ermine]

Shredder vet died so hivescum desperado could live

[true yoke]

noob question, are you actually able to get weapons that have 80 in all catagories?

[lilac ermine]

No I just was lazy to edit those

Mobility prob dump stat of 60

[true yoke]

ah, honestly was just making sure I didnt miss something about the game lol

[frigid basalt]

Still no clue why it's at 80 instead of just 100

unless they plan on eventually letting us further upgrade weapons to 100

[lilac ermine]

I think in VT they go to 100 after doing super hard missions

[frigid basalt]

nah in VT they have like

[trim wind]

Weapons in vt are different

[frigid basalt]

in VT the perks on the weapon are random

you can get a drop or upgrade a weapon so the perks have always maxed numbers

instead of random

[true yoke]

didnt they add the ability to swap abilites on weapons in VT2?

[frigid basalt]

there's no randomized mobility or damgae stats etc

yeah

you hammer the weapon until it gets the perks you want

then you need to get it to red rarity to max out the perks

otherwise they're a randomized % like instead of 25% against flak it will be like

14.3%

[lilac ermine]

I think they will add red weapons here

I remember there being a bug that showed red tier weapons

[dim moth]

yeah we all thought that during the beta period and near launch when we saw the stat rolls

[obsidian crown]

Not a bug. It’s a mod

[dim moth]

been a few years since then

[frigid basalt]

frankly I think that guy just uses the mods to make people click the videos

[lilac ermine]

Ohh

[frigid basalt]

people will see that it's red and think there's a red rarirty

[true yoke]

I hope we get a actual red rarity at some point.

[lilac ermine]

I think hive scums best team support ability is vulture mark and no one ever says its team support

[dim moth]

okay but hypothetically

20% strength and 15% rending/crit fro the whole team

alongside potentially attack speed and cooldown

[lilac ermine]

But box means your useless kind of

Compared to desperado and rampage

[dim moth]

my box gives me 100% crit chance

I am killin' shit

[true yoke]

I havent tried rampage yet, what weapon does it pair with best?

[lilac ermine]

Shiv

[dim moth]

combat axe as per usual

[true yoke]

boo, but fair

[tall dome]

so im crowbarring

[radiant swift]

shiv, taxe and caxe

chaxe and chord are also good calls

[tall dome]

im thinking maybe can opener and then one other blessing

just so i can smack a crusher, then shoot the shit out of it

[radiant swift]

keeping it a buck everything other then the crowbar, devils claw and bonesaw are good

[tall dome]

a what

[true yoke]

aw man but I like the crowbar lol

[dim moth]

yeah because the crowbar is good

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-doe-buck-what-the-buck-stare-gif-6411873405582565168

[lilac ermine]

Omg lol

[tall dome]

ah. an americanism

[tall dome]

what perks blessings would you recommend?

[radiant swift]

I remain incredibly unconvinced from using it in the game

[true yoke]

I will absolutely not stop shooting as desperado. Its why im playing the ability lol

[dim moth]

carapace+flak/maniacs, opportunist+superiority

[true yoke]

also glad to see im not crazy that the bonesaw is kinda meh

[dim moth]

destroy the big boy

kill

[brittle sierra]

I have figured out how to make it good 😈

Took me 2 weeks but I did it

[tall dome]

share wisdom?

[kind mist]

just run crit and cleave and let poison do the work

[brittle sierra]

Hang on let me edit my build, on Gl

[dim moth]

on a related note bonesaw

[tall dome]

Seems to work fine to me XD

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bonesaw-ready-spiderman-wrestling-mic-gif-5061365

[brittle sierra]

I think what people don't understand is how to use the moveset

If you push light spam you can apply dots very quickly to mixed hordes

If you push heavy heavy you can cleave thru lots of trash hordes

[spice mural]

It’s my fav weapon by far.

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[vast yoke]

bonesaw is good once you ignore H1 and just spam lights/ P-L-L for single targets (way safer and applies dot faster)

[dim moth]

right but uh

bonesaw heavy is actually 2 hits

for realsies

so it applies 2 dot stacks

same for crowbar's pointy mode

[vast yoke]

interesting to go shred over decapitator, also for perks i found it's good to slot in +2 stamina since 4% attack speed feels good

[tall dome]

and you can dodge cancel out of the rip anim

[vast yoke]

yeah and it takes way too long anyway. it does a ton of damage to Unyielding tho so if you can get away with it H1 and even P-H-H is high dps

[brittle sierra]

Perks apply to dot damage when you have the weapon equipped

[vast yoke]

too many ppl spam the H1 on everything

[sturdy linden]

The purpose of the H1 is to get Shock and Awe active before you start your clear loop

Or ofc when taking down individual Crushers

[brittle sierra]

Shred is better because the majority of the damage from Bonesaw is the dot

Bonesaw for some reason how low crit even though it is a crit weapon

[vast yoke]

yeah I run stam and Unyielding on mine since it's not amazing vs Cara anyway but I do get the point

[vast yoke]

that's true

I'll play around with it

[dim moth]

chainaxe...

[brittle sierra]

Cara is for crushers

Which is the hardest enemy to deal with on bonsaw

[winter galleon]

Does dropping stim pack grant chem dependency now?

[vast yoke]

yurp

[brittle sierra]

The issue with decimator is that the strength buff you get from it doesn't apply to dot damage

[winter galleon]

Guessing still weird due to needing stim off cd to provide benefits though?

[brittle sierra]

Which is pretty annoying since everything else does

[dim moth]

it's okay

[vast yoke]

I'll tap in on Shred

[ionic python]

Pondering best weapons for a "support" empty stim pack build so I can AOE the green stims (trying to augment friends more)

[sturdy linden]

Wait what

[vast yoke]

i mean atp you'd have no ability and no cartel special so the only thing you can do with it besides dumping held stims is use it for the 7 stacks of chem toxin

[sturdy linden]

I thought str was a generic bonus

And applied to everything

Including dots

[trim wind]

Stim always ready first because of sample collector, dependancy is still weird cause the cdr doesn't really matter

[dim moth]

it is yes

but not every weapon blessing gives the same strength bonus

[trim wind]

It's dmg stagger cleave for strength

[vast yoke]

you could just do a chaxe + syringe pistol basic adrenaline build since chaxe stacks insane amounts of strengths already and syringe pistol is really good utility + the DOT from it is barely affected by anything on the tree

[dim moth]

some give global strength others like decimator give personal strength or whatever the fuck it's called that only affects the actual weapon damage

[trim wind]

Doesn't usually affect dots

[sturdy linden]

Fucking

[vast yoke]

hm. so that's why that guy told me chaxe is good with poison on crit

i take it headtaker and slaughterer do global strength

[trim wind]

It's just str, dunno where this global str term is coming from

[dim moth]

yeah

[dim moth]

because they are actually different buffs

kind of

[lilac ermine]

Nerf needle pistol stacks to 3 stacks 😗

[ionic python]

I could see that for the stacking global w base DMG, but thought chaxe wasn't a crit weap really?

[sturdy linden]

Would it kill fatshark to write clear blessing descriptions

[vast yoke]

it isn't really which is unfortunate, you'd need to stack dependency to get crazy mileage out of it which

ALTHOUGH

if you just run syringe pistol

[sharp dune]

Anyone found a reason to use the mk four needler with the stagger explosion?

[lilac ermine]

Doesnt grenade also add tox stacks over time tho

[sharp dune]

Im making an explosive chem tox build and it is thematic

[dim moth]

hard cap of 6

[vast yoke]

it's fun to laugh at and poke fun at

[bronze glade]

better primary fire

[vast yoke]

o really?

[sharp dune]

True true, wish the alt was better

[sharp dune]

+1 stacks

[vast yoke]

mm

[vast yoke]

i see

[lapis raft]

if you get weakspot or crit

[dim moth]

decimator for comparison

see how damage doesn't go up as high because decimator only applies its strength buff to weapon damage

but slaughterer applies to all damage

[sharp dune]

This is good research from darktide R&D Department

[trim wind]

It's because they didn't fix slaughterer to only affect weapon, they are not different buffs, a bunch of stuff used to do this

Thunderous used to stack on fire dmg

[dim moth]

strength stimms also boost damage

[lapis raft]

but rampage doesnt sadly

[vast yoke]

that honestly changes things for me but it's still such a small change that I'm not sure it's even worth it, after all it only takes 5 shots to hit the DOT cap if you don't even bother with crits or headshots

[lapis raft]

it basically just saves you a bit of ammo

so yea not super worth imo

[ionic python]

"my tox is more tox bc I'm stronger" This is some Ork-level tech

[lapis raft]

but if you dont use blue mode at all

then might as well

i do use blue mode quite a bit tho its nice

[worn gull]

So, do any scum guns have a lower crusher TTK than dual autos?

[dim moth]

infantry autogun

[bronze glade]

i don't use alt fire on the needler at all

[worn gull]

Cool I'll try it. Was trying braced and it felt like it did the same thing as pistols but generally just kinda worse

[bronze glade]

try agri braced

[rotund lion]

faster reloads

[vast yoke]

inf auto, although both are actually pretty okay at killing them when you stack 30% rending from stim and desperado

[bronze glade]

it's very good on hiv

[dim moth]

#hivescum-class message

[vast yoke]

i love inf auto on this class

[rotund lion]

sadly the braced autos dont have dum dum so I find they arent as effective

[tall dome]

dumdum is just so good.

[keen timber]

I’m too autopistolpilled to use anything else I think

[vast yoke]

i just make 8 builds and rotate between them

inf auto totally-not-a-veteran build and going apeshit with boxcutters are most fun for me tho

[tall dome]

I wish i could find 8 builds i like the look of

[keen timber]

I think if they ever update the weapon customisation mod I might go back to autoguns

[vast yoke]

they're so ugly i agree

[keen timber]

I simply find the irons hard to get proper target acquisition on after a longer burst

Having the lasgun scopes made it so much easier

[vast yoke]

i can't wait to use PewPew to make my inf autos sound like the dual stubs

[keen timber]

Same issue with the bolt weapons

[bronze glade]

sucks but they still have good blessings and agri's a beast

[keen timber]

Where the recoil moves the gun rather than just your aim

Which really makes it hard to shoot

[rotund lion]

oh 100%

[vast yoke]

that's why i use crosshair remap

[keen timber]

Agri brauto perpetually managing to be better than the rest of its class because it’s just that chad

[keen timber]

Remapping the crosshairs isn’t gonna fix that I don’t think

[loud herald]

hey scum folks how we doin

[lilac ermine]

Is it broken

[vast yoke]

you can remap the crosshair when ADS

[tall dome]

is it Fire Frenzy Speedload?

[keen timber]

From what I hear it’s sort of abandonware

[keen timber]

Don’t ask me

I have no idea

[vast yoke]

the dude took a break

its christmas

[lilac ermine]

Aww

[rotund agate]

if only I had picked The Show as my scum cartel affiliation so I could use that one green-bodied with straps IAG skin I have (Dune's Wrath), but I just want to stick with Iron Riders because the phrase "The Pain Train NEVER Stops!!" is too stuck in my head...

[keen timber]

I thought it hadn’t been updated in a while

Nevermind

[vast yoke]

it was literally updated a few days before scum dropped

[keen timber]

a while being like, more than a month or whatever

[dim moth]

the old version got taken down from mod nexus because the mod got a ground up code rework during the arbites update

[keen timber]

Oh fair play

[vast yoke]

we just haven't heard a thing from him

[dim moth]

and that rework hasn't been put on nexus

[keen timber]

Nvm it’s still good then

[dim moth]

guy probably has like

a life or something

and it's crimbo season

[keen timber]

What a fucking loser

[vast yoke]

yeah it's on the darktide modding discord

[keen timber]

Imagine

[vast yoke]

likely he's just taken a break

[keen timber]

Yeah that’s where it used to be too

I’ll have to pick it up when he’s back

[vast yoke]

we genuinely don't know tho

[keen timber]

Yeah let’s hope

[vast yoke]

maybe he died </3

would suck so much esp cus the mod got reworked from the ground up

[rotund lion]

fire frenzy and deathspitter

[calm aurora]

https://youtu.be/xGuPAuvGkMA?si=95yq5jIuTWRTboCz

[vocal saffron]

LMFAO

[radiant swift]

speedloader may be worth considering on Scum

[vocal saffron]

Chaser pfp

I love that art

Ethical chaser..

[vast yoke]

ty it's actually samarie from funger but i edited it to look like me

[rotund lion]

the talent on the tree is more than enough

[trim wind]

I would check how fast speedloader talent is on it

[rotund lion]

ive found giving up a damage blessing is

a little rough with braced autos

[trim wind]

Cause usually double str blessing is the play on agri

[rotund lion]

making up for the reload with stim effects and talents is much more effective

[dim moth]

not able to 2 shot bodyshot gunners why live

[vocal saffron]

Hrmeth ,, i squee ,,

[rotund agate]

brautos: 🤮
IAGs: 👀

[rotund lion]

YUP

IAG is 100% better

dum dum+ deathspitter is quite strong

[rotund lion]

something this youtuber doesnt mention bolt pistol currently gives the aoe increase to rocketlauncher

[keen timber]

LOL

[dim moth]

being able to hit things that are further than 4 meters away is pretty strong too

[rotund lion]

lmao true

if you spam crouch you can snipe with braced

but that is a little annoying

[keen timber]

Look at mr accurate over here hitting stuff more than 4 meters away

[trim wind]

Agri braced has pretty accurate hipfire (never brace it)

[calm aurora]

will tell him then

[keen timber]

I swear brautos used to be more accurate

When they had the old crosshair

Am I coping chat

[rotund lion]

it also allows you to use a single rocket to remove rituals in havoc

[glad latch]

Brautos have needed a buff for the longest time, so not surprising the IAG, aka the Vraks V beats them.

[rotund lion]

from any distance with just the aoe increase and 10% ranged boost on the tree

[dim moth]

truly ogryn nuke but better

[rotund agate]

I use dumdum + stripped down on a separate VIAG specifically on my crowbar melee build (crowbar doesn't worok against bosses all that well, so I have VIAG to compensate)...

[rotund lion]

id just run stim pistol in this case 🙁

also has stripped down and infinitly better mobility

[rotund lion]

YUP

[rotund agate]

that would need pickpocket imo, and I can't afford it...

[rotund lion]

not really use the mk VI

its got great ammo efficiency

[glad latch]

Brauto's could be turned into good weapons if they had a much higher base damage to compensate for their fairly shit accuracy.

[livid raven]

or better firerate

[rotund lion]

a single headshot from the VI will be enough to 1 shot pretty much every specialist and elite gunner in the game

takes a little bit but its quite strong

[bronze glade]

not that bad with sticky hands

[modest patio]

I really love desperado.

[lilac ermine]

Crowbar should maybe stun bosses

[livid raven]

kinda crazy to think all braced autoguns have worse firerate than the vraks

[rotund lion]

crowbar needs help 🙁

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967

[placid prairie]

Nah that’d be a bit busted

[glad latch]

I like using dumdum with the speedload, seems to work really well on desperado.

[bronze glade]

i don't think any melee weapon in the game can stun bosses

[rotund lion]

keep in mind with rampage you can stun twins and captains

on charged alt mode headshot

[blazing cove]

Yeah it still needs to be less good than a full on mining pick swung about by a behomath

[glad latch]

Yeah it's more acceptable with sticky hands, but the DPS is still worse then the IAG.

[rotund lion]

they fill different rolls tho

IAG will be consistent

[bronze glade]

IAG has better single target dps, brauto has better horde DPS

[rotund lion]

but braced is a snowball

if you get a couple poxwalker kills before going into a mixed hord

it will be significantly more effective

not like it really matters when this thing exists

[glad latch]

Yeah thast's true, but I find IAG more effective for general purpose, it's just more flexible overall, like you can fire into 90% of the enemies in the game and have it be pretty good, while brauto is just not as good and less flexible.

[sullen ridge]

dont forget your 12% combat regen from trinkets

[dim moth]

M I D

12% like you can't just stab yourself with 100% on demand

[radiant swift]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[radiant swift]

me when I see bleed blessings or combat regen

[sullen ridge]

i do that too so i have one reload of desper downtime

[knotty cipher]

am i losing my mind i feel like im getting hit by way more nets this patch than in the past

[foggy phoenix]

Agony.

[radiant swift]

it;s bugged rn

[sullen ridge]

youve gained weight since you last played

[radiant swift]

alongside several other hit boxes iirc

[narrow dagger]

yo where can i download the update for this mod to work

[slender nexus]

anyone know how to get hybrid sprint and weapon swaping/abikity to mod to work after the update, they both crash my game now

[knotty cipher]

my winrate is in the shitter from silent nets and undodgable nets

[slender nexus]

find the class hard to play without

[dim moth]

the huh

[trim wind]

Modding discord

[foggy phoenix]

I just edited the config files to exclude ammo pickups as a counted stat

No update. afaik

You won't get that functionality, but the rest of the scoreboard works

[knotty cipher]

guarantee weapon swap doesn't work with blinders the other guarantee mods are working fine for me

[slender nexus]

is vortex just dog then, it gave me a button to update them but they still crash

[foggy lantern]

That 12% also reduces cooldown on stimm, once the effect wears off and it goes on cooldown.

[glad latch]

idk, I just install the mods manually. It is possible one or more of the mods is outdated.

[bronze glade]

should be fixed now

[obsidian crown]

Fixed

[knotty cipher]

word ty

[celest cypress]

Lmao

[high gull]

@azure mist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omIJUC9pjwY

OOOOH

All that paid streamer cope

All of that

Just for the devs behind this game to get canned and fired

Then replaced

It's fucking tragic really

[cedar cairn]

They're gonna exchange cough drops on their anniversary

[north meteor]

this sounds like a mod I should have

[dreamy rover]

Bro trying so hard to back out

[celest cypress]

You know it's scary when zealot becomes voice of reason in conversation

[broken moss]

I have that voice and have never heard that exchange. is that an actual voice line or did someone just mash that up?

[celest cypress]

Channel where I took this video posts real dialogues

Maybe you just didn't get it yet

[dim moth]

the curio stat that explicitly states combat ability regeneration affects you stimm?

really?

[tall dome]

i mean your cartel stimm is a combat ability no?

[dim moth]

no

[tall dome]

game seems to think otherwise

[warm dust]

funny the hive scum lady tried to flirt with the zealot https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HXeYCCmpK6Q

[muted python]

doesn't fem professional love to tease male judge

[tall dome]

iirc male prof and one of the fem-bites dont hate each other

[dim moth]

uh no that guy just seems to be wrong

stimm cooldown is 75 seconds in psykhanium regardless of curios having ability cooldown or not

[fierce python]

do hypercritical and hyperviolence still have anti synergy

[dim moth]

hyper critical kills an enemy exactly and hyper violence requires you to overkill things what do you think

[north meteor]

yea but I still run them both occasionally anyway

[fierce python]

just checking dayum

[bronze glade]

I still run both on many builds

[north meteor]

hyperviolence is still nice for when it works, and hypercritical is really nice at one shotting things you normally wouldn't

[tranquil fjord]

youd think hyper critical would simply double the damage and instantly kill them which would make it work with hypercritical

[astral coral]

So run one or the other not both right?

[tranquil fjord]

but that would probably be too powerful

[astral coral]

I dropped violence on my shiv build

[dim moth]

nope it checks to see if a second crit of the same damage would have killed, and then does exactly the enemies remaining hp if it would have

[limber cradle]

Its a kill override iirc

[bronze glade]

both talents are so strong that running both is usually still a massive net positive lol

[north meteor]

running both is fine, just know that they don't work together

[honest shale]

I mean there are non-human shaped things that take crits.

[astral coral]

Yeah but if I have 92% crit most of the time hypercritical is going to do it's thing

[keen timber]

As they should be that

[fierce python]

is there a recommended build somewhere for the 1911s

[astral coral]

I'm just gonna needle pistol big boys

[honest shale]

Laura Croft Desert Eagles.

[north meteor]

I only needle pistol bosses

and then melee when the clip is empty

[keen timber]

What class is professional? Is that the ‘normal’ guardsman?

[limber cradle]

Ime you don't build for them but you use them as a secondary on a melee build

They don't pair well with desp

[bronze glade]

bistol's the deagle

[fierce python]

they feel kinda shit

[limber cradle]

Yeah, one of the vets

[keen timber]

Yeah they’re best as a backup weap

[bronze glade]

they're ok

[keen timber]

I love that voice

It’s such a good like

He feels like a normal dude in a way

[fierce python]

I ❤️ professional

[limber cradle]

Im ngl I only like LC for vet

[keen timber]

I think maul is reasonably cordial to professional

[bronze glade]

cutthroat my beloved

[keen timber]

As cordial as maul gets really

[manic wolf]

Yeup, LC best Vet

[keen timber]

I don’t like cutthroat or LC

[manic wolf]

Also good evening chat

[keen timber]

Prof all the way

[bronze glade]

i don't think anyone plays prof vet

[keen timber]

Well I don’t hate them

I do

[fierce python]

he gets made fun of for being a suck up in the guard but how tf else do you survive? commissars lowkenuinely kill you if you dont type shi

[keen timber]

Prof vet bangs

[bronze glade]

prob been hundreds of hours since i've seen one

[limber cradle]

Cutthroat is unironically a large part of the reason I dislike cadians

[bronze glade]

cuz you ain't one 🙂‍↕️

[keen timber]

He’s literally just a good soldier

[manic wolf]

Makes you wonder how LC lasted so long

[limber cradle]

Cause he's good at killing

[north meteor]

I read this as Canadian

[keen timber]

There’s a voice line between professional and the uh, ‘nice’ scum

[fierce python]

and he has the callouts

I love professionals callouts

[keen timber]

And she’s like ‘I thought you loved this life?’

‘I do, but this ain’t soldiering’

[keen timber]

Traxis 77 down!

The maul also has some of the professional callouts too

I hadn’t actually planned to go for maul, I normally prefer the nicer voices

[limber cradle]

All the arbs do iirc

[keen timber]

But then someone mentioned the scum interaction

So I swapped to maul and I really like the voice so I’ve kept it

[near mauve]

maul is best arb i just wish they made him talk a bit normally in casual convos

bro is doing the voice 24/7

[keen timber]

I hate so many male voices

[near mauve]

he's such a goofy man

[keen timber]

Because they’re all so shouty

The female voices feel a bit more ‘normal’

[limber cradle]

Male Maul is my least favorite voice in DT I'm ngl

[near mauve]

everyone yells in this game idk

UNBASED

[manic wolf]

I wish Arb and Scum had more interaction, they could make for some peak comedy moments

[lilac ermine]

I wish havoc had more interactions

[keen timber]

They do but the male ones feel like they’re shouting the lines as loud as they can for the sake of being loud

[keen timber]

They do

Idk which voice it is

[near mauve]

or because they're fighting 24/7

[keen timber]

But one of the scum has a line with maul and it basically goes

(Scum) ‘I’m not scared of you’
(Maul) ‘yes you are’

And then the scum just folds instantly

[rotund lion]

arby still doesnt even have a "placing the charge" voice line yet

as far as I know

[manic wolf]

Really? Interesting, thats a weird one to miss

[keen timber]

I don’t think there’s too many charge placements really though

There’s one in no man’s land

There’s a couple in carnival

[manic wolf]

Ye

[keen timber]

Oh right I forgot to ask

[raven matrix]

what perks and blessings for the crowbar?

[keen timber]

Does havoc have some havoc specific missions? Because when I did the havoc one recently it was a mission in carnival I’ve never seen before

[manic wolf]

Don't think so, no

[keen timber]

Weird

It’s the big ritual one where you have to kill each row of ritualists

[astral coral]

Maybe the event thing?

[keen timber]

And as you do the rings go down

[limber cradle]

That's anarchist

[lilac ermine]

Thats actual mission

[limber cradle]

Bounty hunter taunts them ime

[manic wolf]

Nah, thats a normal mission

[keen timber]

Yep I expected that

I’ve never seen it before

Wild

[manic wolf]

Its a pretty good one all things considered, even if the first two major rooms cause a lot of people to struggle

[keen timber]

It wasn’t too bad really

Was only hav19 though

So really easy

[north meteor]

thats a relatively newer mission, but its been out for awhile

[keen timber]

That’ll be why then

I feel like quick play mission selection is really poor now

[north meteor]

yea I think it came out after train?

[manic wolf]

In the server settings on mission board, turn off campaign missions

[keen timber]

You get the same ones over and over

Oh?

[manic wolf]

Yeah, thats why you're seeing repeat missions

[keen timber]

Off?

[north meteor]

no idea you could do this

[manic wolf]

Yeah, turn it off, it'll then throw you into missions in progress from the mission board instead of with people doing the campaign mission loop

[keen timber]

Ok I’ll have to do that then

[undone sorrel]

with IAG should i still just run Dumdum and Deathspitter on a desperado build, or is speedload worth dropping one of the two for?

[manic wolf]

It dont think it works 100% of time as I still seem to end up getting thrown into Rolling Steel a bunch, but it mostly works

[limber cradle]

I prefer dum dum speedload but dum dum ds is valid

[keen timber]

I mean I’m totally ok with doing rolling steel and stuff occasionally

But it’s really annoying getting the same mission thrice in a row

On the bright side, no ascension riser

[limber cradle]

Id kill for rolling steel havocs

Easy fast mission

[north meteor]

I don't enjoy doing story missions because they are way easier lol

[manic wolf]

Lmao, I swear noone likes Riser 😄

[keen timber]

I hate that mission with pugs

Average pug doesn’t have the brain function to do it

[keen timber]

It’s just fucking boring

It’s not hard

[undone sorrel]

dumdum is more valuable of a blessing than deathspitter then I assume?

[keen timber]

It just makes me want to jump out my window headfirst

[manic wolf]

Its not a super fun mission, no

[keen timber]

That’s the real difficulty of riser

[manic wolf]

Lmao

[limber cradle]

Its faster easier damage that procs consistently ime

[manic wolf]

Its one of the missions that varies between being a snoozefest with a competant team, to being quite a fun run if you're carrying blueberries

[keen timber]

Even carrying its boring because ur stuck on the lift

[trim wind]

the funniest thing about riser, is it was released as part of an event, we got sycorax immediately then once we did the busy work riser unlocked like a week later, and riser fucking sucks dick while sycorax rules

[keen timber]

The rest of the map is fine

But the lift sucks so hard

Sycorax is baller

[limber cradle]

I like riser tbh, as long as your idiot team can do the train section

[manic wolf]

Yeah the lift is the weakest bit of it all round

[keen timber]

I’m fine with the trains it’s just the lift

I unironically instantly leave whenever I Q into riser

[dreamy rover]

I hate train missions with randoms

[keen timber]

I hate that one mission so much

[dreamy rover]

its always that one area

[manic wolf]

Sycorax is a little too easy sometimes tho, despite being fun

[random shuttle]

aww

[trim wind]

it is 1000 times better than riser

which is just........boring

[manic wolf]

It is better than Riser, yeah

[keen timber]

Sycorax isn’t super hard but it’s fun

[limber cradle]

Wonder what happened to the last 12

[keen timber]

What’s the one with the tree? Dreyco?

[random shuttle]

yes

[dreamy rover]

what happened to the others?

[manic wolf]

Most innocent mastiff name I've seen in a while

[random shuttle]

hab danko

[keen timber]

The extract sequence there is so good

It’s a shame no other mission has done that really

[manic wolf]

I miss the old end event on Dreyko ngl

[random shuttle]

this is mine

because I am a man of Culture

[north meteor]

I keep getting that mission in Havocs

[manic wolf]

There was a point in time where that event was absolute carnage and they ruined it

[keen timber]

Mine is just called Dorn, I didn’t know what to name it so it’s staying as that until I think of something better

[limber cradle]

Big nerd is what you are

[random shuttle]

That's what I said

[manic wolf]

Nice lmao

[random shuttle]

[manic wolf]

My pal called his Pawrus Lupercal

[keen timber]

Traitor mastiff

[manic wolf]

Yup lmao

[tight musk]

I think my dog is called Dogocop. Been a minute since I played arbites.

[keen timber]

Can’t wait for the dogsite massacre

[manic wolf]

That'd be a good name an all

[hardy maple]

the only times i really seem to go down as scum is when i get alot of ranged enemies targetting me. Since im rampage build i dont really have great ways to deal with them

[keen timber]

Pocket tox blackouts my goat

Shooters pinging you? Throw something back and the problem goes away

[dim moth]

me when the gunner starts shooting me at literally point blank range

(a bug in their AI allows them to do this and they're not supposed to be able to)

[keen timber]

At least they removed the knockback

[hardy maple]

real, i fold like a wet paper napkin

[tight musk]

I use stripped down on my needle gun to get close to gunners.

[keen timber]

I’ve had a couple times on scum I’ve gotten ‘stuck’ with a flamer knocking me back

[dim moth]

gunners are SUPPOSED to stop shooting you the instant you get within like 3 meters or something of them

[keen timber]

Never had that issue on zealot thanks to fury

[manic wolf]

This is some of the reason I run TacAxe so often on melee setups tbh, bonk them on the head with the special chain an they stop shooting you lol

[dim moth]

but the AI that allows them to move while shooting is bugged and ignores anything that would normally cause them to stop shooting

[bronze glade]

Darktide? Bugged? Surely not

[dim moth]

losing LoS, getting close to them, etc.

[keen timber]

Nah, couldn’t imagine that

[north meteor]

and this really sucks when you're hive scum and get insta deleted

[dim moth]

If they are walking while firing they will keep shooting until they are dead or staggered

[hardy maple]

dang they made them do that a while ago and they still havent fixed it

[dim moth]

Yeah and Reapers have done it since the launch of the game

That shit has always been broken!

[tight musk]

What the hell, I can't load into the Mourningstar, it keeps telling me I got disconnected from server.

[manic wolf]

Darktide severs not playing nice? Whoever would have guessed

[high gull]

Game apparently did so shit

Activision is talking about no longer releasing yearly CoDs

[manic wolf]

We do have an influx of new players tho so thats probably why they're struggling at the moment

[limber cradle]

Tbh man I dont think most of those devs wanted to work on it

[keen timber]

I’m unsurprised, it had a ton of Ai in apparently. I remember seeing some dude post about how he’d played for longer than 2 hours, done the entire campaign and managed to refund on steam because of all the AI in it

[hardy maple]

I see this as a good thing

[keen timber]

Yeah cod not being yearly would be massive tbh

[manic wolf]

Gee its almost like yearly releases means a basic reskin and half-arsed design decisions (That they've been doing for years now)

[high gull]

The unfortunate part is, whether they wanted to or not.

[keen timber]

They might actually release a good game for once

[hardy maple]

omg you mean they might actually have time to make a good game

[high gull]

They're gonna be chopped because they didn't meet sales quotas

[hardy maple]

instead of slapdash shit

[keen timber]

I would never see another game ever doing this, like, seriously, fifa would never

[keen timber]

They’ve stepped into a war with the cabal on mars?

[grand jewel]

we've awoken the hive

[manic wolf]

Fifa is just a football flavoured casino as far as I can tell

Though it is funny that Battlefield 6 releasing earlier in the year really put into perspective for a lot of the CoD fanbase how bad those games actually are

[lilac ermine]

Why is ppl so mean to me

[livid raven]

hard to say without being there

[hardy maple]

battlefield aint a perfect game neither, but its definitely better than CoD BF6s campaign is also pretty foregetable

[bronze glade]

Makes them pretty aids to fight with a melee build lol

Esp when there's a bunch of them

[tight musk]

Do I actually just not get to play funny space meth head today?

[manic wolf]

Nah, it aint a perfect game, the maps arent great an there are a lot of hitreg an audio issues, but the general quality is pretty high. Though I dont much care about the campaign in a Battlefield game, tis one of the only competative MP shooters thats always a good romp

[lilac ermine]

We won and someone is mad that we won

Bc I carry

[livid raven]

that's your part of the story

[high gull]

Wiiild

[lilac ermine]

He was mad bc I was running and killing every thing

[north meteor]

I have had someone get mad at me once when I was fire psyker

bc they weren't allowed to play the game

and I was like "fair"

[livid raven]

that's funny, some people think the same with a desperado scum here

[sullen ridge]

does hypercritical apply to ranged

[livid raven]

no

[sullen ridge]

nuts

[lapis raft]

ey history is actually working :d

[low zenith]

Tbh that's cope because if someone's doing crazy work I just go somewhere else because the game will have enemies come at you from all sides. Its low key impossible to never have something to do

[dim moth]

he's not wrong

[keen timber]

When u get someone like this immediately transition to ragebaiting them

[dim moth]

if you aren't in coherency the game will jack up enemy and specialist spawns especially

if you are consistently running ahead and not sticking with the team you do infact make the game harder

[north meteor]

it was when I was leveling my buddy and it was in like Malice

and some rando was like "bro I want to kill stuff"

[lilac ermine]

Oop

[manic wolf]

Barrel all psykers

Preferably at the start of Gloriana and send them into the void 😄

[keen timber]

I remember back in assail release we did a… malice or heresy mission with 3 assail psykers and 1 vet and we managed to make the vet’s total kill count at the end of the mission 27

[lilac ermine]

But if I have 2 million dmg and they have 100k dmg im just making it easier for them

[low zenith]

Tbf I feel that way at level 1 in heresy games

[keen timber]

Including poxwalkers

[north meteor]

wait what is this a mod I don't have

[livid raven]

it means they suck actually

[north meteor]

wait does it actually?

[zealous ridge]

Does the long lasting perk work on stim supply?

[north meteor]

I mean I stay with team anyway

but I didn't know that

[livid raven]

the +5 seconds to your stim?

no it doesn't

[zealous ridge]

yeah. Oh, ok. Ty

[low zenith]

Yeah, always has. It specifically increases the spawns of disablers more than disruptors but that's been a mechanic since VT 1

[zealous ridge]

All the damn anti-synergy and non-synergy of scum talents is annoying the hell out of me xD

[livid raven]

that's a thing all the way back to left 4 dead

the director spams disablers to the straggler(s)

[low zenith]

I meant in the context of Fatshark

[keen timber]

I mean stim supply isn’t actually a stim

[north meteor]

I never played VT1 and I've only done a couple missions in VT2

[lilac ermine]

If the director spams more specials isnt it mean that theres less horde

[north meteor]

but that's good to know

[lapis raft]

mine :d

combatstats

[lilac ermine]

So its actually gud thing

[livid raven]

no not really

[zealous ridge]

It consumes my stim to use it.
But sure 😉

[keen timber]

A higher concentration of the horde is specialists

[low zenith]

VT 2 does it as well. Never noticed gutter runner spam when the slayer bardin, zealot or warrior priest sprints a billion miles away?

[manic wolf]

Its quite fun deliberately staying at the back an seeing how many disabler trains you can clown on, its not conducive to a safe or fast clear time, but it is fun

[lilac ermine]

I remember there was desert map that has large horde in middle objective and when a wave a mutants spawned there was no horde so it was way easier to put the batteries in

[north meteor]

I may have to steal when I get home

[north meteor]

yea never played enough of VT2 lol

[lapis raft]

also i was kinda doubting the new rpg but holy it is indeed just click here and everything dies

[north meteor]

I haven't played rpg yet

[low zenith]

You truly are blessed. I say this as a tome WP player

[lilac ermine]

Is anyone know what this mod is

[unique spire]

I love killing the stealth elf

[north meteor]

scoreboard

[lilac ermine]

With the total and percents

[keen timber]

I like vt2 for being a bit more challenging than darktide

[north meteor]

oh nope

[keen timber]

They’re called stelfs

[unique spire]

This is fucking dumb

[manic wolf]

This man is not a pun appreciator 😄

[keen timber]

Apparently

[low zenith]

Think so? I guess the base game difficulties are but.... Darktide is far more complex in its moment to moment combat and because it was simpler, most classes had builds that make everything stupid easy

[unique spire]

Only punny people does puns

[keen timber]

I feel like the melee combat in vermintide is much harder than darktide

Idk if it’s just me though

[random shuttle]

It is

[livid raven]

it is

[random shuttle]

but not because it is "better"

[keen timber]

I’m not arguing if it’s better or worse

[livid raven]

ah no it's definitely worse

[keen timber]

Just that it is

[limber cradle]

Melee combat in verm requires you to interact with more mechanics

[keen timber]

Darktide feels much more uh

Polished

[limber cradle]

Melee combat in darktide is just "dodge and swing"

[keen timber]

In a way

[lapis raft]

scoreboard but one of the fixes also had that on top of it just being fix

[grand jewel]

yea

[north meteor]

melee combat in DT feels way better and thats why I couldn't get into VT2

[grand jewel]

smooth

[lapis raft]

temp fixes that is

[grand jewel]

PLUS no damn sprint in vt

[unique spire]

American because guns have actual ammo

[livid raven]

vt2 also has a dogshit forge system

[grand jewel]

murders it for me

[last marsh]

melee in DT is the best feeling melee on the market

[lapis raft]

so bunch of random ppl got it

[grand jewel]

[random shuttle]

If anything it's older and clunkier. This is my take after enjoying both games. VT2 is just an older game. Animations arent so clean. Sounds cues are shit. spacing is a little wonky. It's GREAT but not as refined or polished as in DT.

[keen timber]

Vermintide feels like u get bluetoothed a lot

[lilac ermine]

Is it downloadable

[random shuttle]

And I am in a firm Toughness > THP club 😄

[limber cradle]

Its better than release DT but worse than current DT

[steel granite]

idk bro

[lapis raft]

just search for scoreboard fix in modding discord yea, one of them has it probs the first one

[steel granite]

release DT was something else

[broken moss]

I liked it's forge system. dt is too deterministic

[grand jewel]

crusher has connected to device: forehead

[unique spire]

Oh my gawwwwd its Carmiral 7397846395

[keen timber]

I mean darktide had a much worse one for much much longer. People were begging for the vt system

[steel granite]

I remember the engaging gameplay of release darktide loot system

it was beautiful

[limber cradle]

Release DT crafting is why I quit this game for the better part of a year

[lilac ermine]

Tyyy also is anyone getting memory leak crashes idk if its the game or one of my mods

[low zenith]

It is, but that just means you only need one thing to beat it. A great axe, coghammer, dual anything, billhook, flail and shield, etc etc.... There were a lot of weapons whose design would simply cheese an entire aspect of melee in a way that broke the game. Granted it still exists in Darktide, but ranged enemies en masse means there's no way to fundamentally game the system

[last marsh]

remember rolling randomly on blessings and hoping you got whats right

[north meteor]

I also enjoy how much skill the game takes even though its a horde rush. Most horde rush games usually equate to "form a train and funnel into this choke". DT is very much a "hey so we're faster than you, make due"

[keen timber]

Just roll good stats, good perks at t3/4, good blessings at t3/4 and then ur fine, it’s easy!

[manic wolf]

Ahhyes, the squad of people sat outside the armoury just to get a passable roll that would immediately be ruined by Hardon ten seconds later

Fun times

[lapis raft]

not me but ibunch of ppl are yea

[lilac ermine]

Ty

[lapis raft]

im just getting some dumb cant fnd some random tatoo shit on mission start

[keen timber]

I got a red sword and dagger on kerillian and they’re so goated

[lapis raft]

every once a while

[steel granite]

rolling? Release darktide had no rolling. It was shopping simulator baybeeeee

[lapis raft]

and its super annoying

but aagh

[keen timber]

It’s one of my only reds and I got exactly what I wanted

[manic wolf]

When red weapons in DT

I want another blessing slot

[unique spire]

Theres a mod for that

[manic wolf]

I know, but its not the same

[keen timber]

I wonder if they’ll ever actually reach 100 in a stat

[random shuttle]

I think it's a very cold take that I will make here, that most everyone agree that Darktide is the best possible combat feel on the market by far. Pretty much peerless. It's everything else around it that can be questioned for quality

[low zenith]

When I feel like being a REALLLL piece of shit I use my perfect block stamina build flail and shield on wp and just heavy attack spam the entire game

[keen timber]

Because nothing does atm

[north meteor]

I just use red weapons at home mod

[lapis raft]

hd2 used to require skill sadge

[north meteor]

it was always more of a "lets just play stealth" on release, idk how much changed overtime though

[unique spire]

Dude just randomly trashing on HD2 for no reason

[steel granite]

hd2 is trash tho

wdym?

[zealous ravine]

😨

[north meteor]

I kinda wish there was more magic tbh, but balanced. Where's my ice staff

[manic wolf]

As far as melee based gameplay goes, most certainly. The gunplay is servicable, but nothing to shout from the rooftops about, but its carried by the melee systems

[random shuttle]

Hey HD2 cannot be trash. Veilguard is trash. They can't compare! 😄

[zealous ravine]

they'll add red rarity weps when we have to deal with the genderstealer threat in the 2nd hive city

[hardy maple]

yknow now that i think about it, i cant remember the last time i saw a daemonhost

[unique spire]

I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, mister

[low zenith]

That's only because people slept on the supply pack and didn't know about the armor bug, and then when they did find out about it they entered a phase where they were too enthralled by light armor speed and stamina to ever consider just getting good at dodging and using cover

[lapis raft]

just saying that thedevs made the game very different than what it was

[random shuttle]

Gunplay is carried by the quality of the feels/sounds of weapons imo. Technically yes, it's pretty rudimentary, but the souuuunds and desiiiigns. Mmmwah. Chef kissy.

[steel granite]

XD I just go a bit rabid whenever hd2 gets mentioned cuz I fucking hated their buff update a year back.

Also the community blowed

[keen timber]

I mean I kinda still prefer destiny gunplay, but destiny has a similar problem with everything else being the issue

[last marsh]

oshaune.

[hardy maple]

this goes for any game thats popular enough

[last marsh]

thats like .... launch helldivers lol. a bit beyond that now

[hardy maple]

the community sucking

[zealous ravine]

yeah i wish dt had better ranged weapons

dual stubbers is a great start tho

[keen timber]

The arbite shotgun feels fucking fantastic

[random shuttle]

Was about to say

[keen timber]

Blasting that thing into a crowd feels awesome

[random shuttle]

give FS time

[last marsh]

legit one of the best feeling weapons on the market rn

[low zenith]

Oshaune and the gloom were nothing compared to the Creek tbh

[lapis raft]

i remember when gunships were dangerous

[random shuttle]

Dorktide is their first game with robust ranged combat

[keen timber]

Watching things explode into red paste

[random shuttle]

they will get better

[manic wolf]

Yeah, that weapon audio is very good and weapons do feel weighty and like they have real punch, they're just a bit jank to actually use in some cases. Like I am absolutely an avid Boltgun/Boltpistol enjoyer, but my god they are janky to aim with

[unique spire]

Wait, you prefer when the devs kept nerfing popular weapons?

[lapis raft]

now you stand still adn they dont even hit you xd

[zealous ravine]

i think the staves are a good opportunity to make some crazy combo gameplay with mechanics and stuff

[last marsh]

creek was extrapolated by early designs and rocket devastators being 1.0 rocket devastators

[steel granite]

you aren't wrong but ngl HD2 feels like something else. I remember people on the hd2 reddit actively hallucinating bugs that didn't exist into existence. Made posts bitching about how a gun was unusable now because the gun in question lost 3 bullets in its magazine, etc. etc.

[low zenith]

They were talking about how HD2 used to be hard; I am aware

[foggy lantern]

Some people play this game because they want to kill things, too, man. If the extras that get spawned for being out of cohesion prioritize you for being out of cohesion, then even though you are "carrying," you are ultimately also taking a large chunk of the potential fun away from 3 other people.

[zealous ravine]

instead of hecking inferno staff needing subway surfers on the side

[keen timber]

Nerfing based on popularity not power too

[last marsh]

if we had the creek now, it wouldnt match oshaune

plus we can even compare numbers from oshaune's campaign vs the creek

oshaune reached creek death numbers within a day

[steel granite]

I mean 80-90% of the weapons that got nerfs deserved nerfs. They needed to be smaller more iterative nerfs than the sweeping changes AH loves to do but the guns needed nerfs

[unique spire]

Yeah I heard that Helldivers 2 sucked at that time

[keen timber]

It felt very shit to play

[zealous ravine]

still annoyed hd2 removed the spin up mechanic from arc thrower

[last marsh]

thats not even a deciding factor on the state of current HD as of now

[keen timber]

I think they’ve overcompensated in the other direction now

[low zenith]

That's precisely the point. The game was "hard" because it was bugged and when they fixed it, they never compensated for that feeling which lead a lot of people to get bored because they learned to play in that time.

[steel granite]

great meme take.

[zealous ravine]

depth just isnt allowed i guess

[steel granite]

They what now? When was this

[zealous ravine]

launch

[random shuttle]

Fortunately we no longer have to suffer such mid games like Darktide or Helldivers.
Because Amazon released KING OF MEAT
Their giga game.
Their AAAAA title.
They spent half a million bucks for the trailer, Alone.
Mr. Beast was promoting this game
And...

[grand jewel]

pretty sure they mean the cycling rate being faster if you let go and clicked again at the right time

[steel granite]

ohhhh that

[random shuttle]

Oh.

Oh no.

[manic wolf]

[zealous ravine]

what is this game

[keen timber]

Hello? Concord?

[steel granite]

mmm im impartial to that. On one hand it felt like a fucking bug, but on the other hand it was a skill expression they kinda removed

[low zenith]

Battleborn deserved better from us.

[last marsh]

except they fixed that and then gave us escalation of freedom lol

[random shuttle]

Another Proof that being a Giant Giga Company with unlimited money doesn't mean you can get into gaming

[unique spire]

Ohhh, you are one of thoses people who wanted Helldivers 2 to be a hardcore grunt fantasy

[hardy maple]

real

[last marsh]

thats not what happened to helldivers

[limber cradle]

Battleborn was legit actually good ime

[zealous ravine]

quintuple a game

[last marsh]

escalation of freedom was easily the worst HD2s balance has ever been (so far)

[zealous ravine]

i kinda just want hd2 to have mor depth its very repetitive

[raven nest]

Is the stim supply any good?

[last marsh]

and it was in response to them trying to make the game hard

[steel granite]

I wanted the game to not be boring as shit brain off, point, click, win

[unique spire]

Yeah basically a second stimm you can use

[steel granite]

but yes if thats what you call hardcore then sure

[hardy maple]

id say darktide is just as repetitive

[zealous ravine]

yeah you cant make it harder and fair without more mechanics

[keen timber]

I feel like the maps being pretty simplistic doesn’t help