hivescum-class

[tropic crag]

lol thats all classes now adays tbh

[manic wolf]

https://youtu.be/-QXX4Z4jjyg @hallow raft

[manic wolf]

Ya, but its particularly true of Oggy

[tropic crag]

i can do more agressively with a shovel and a rumbler than a shieldgryn will tend to do tbh, in inexperienced players hands it tends to accidently promote timid play... sheild is a fine weapon to use but its just a normal high cc cleaving weapon and not really a shield

[tropic crag]

lol fair, they do stay upright for a long time

[manic wolf]

I will say I think Ogryn is a little too strong at the moment, but the shield really needs a bash

[fast gust]

Pub Ogryns are bad and pub scummers are horizontal more than vertical, more news at 9

[tropic crag]

just heavy1

[lost token]

The shield part is mostly for forcing ranged enemies and having less costs on actually blocking

[manic wolf]

Yeah, but like a charge bash, like a baby Ogryn charge

[broken bear]

Love it

[tropic crag]

no you should not be blocking ranged unless you really messed up tbh, you should be running and shooting at those ranged units to suppress and then engage them

[glacial gyro]

Isn't that the push? And the heavy?

[manic wolf]

Not really

[compact maple]

is this ogryn chat

[fast gust]

Havoc ammo eco/range:

[broken bear]

please be bait I am too tired to tell

[glacial gyro]

SO like what Arbites gets

[lost token]

If you take aggro on block it forces non-gunners to walk into range.

[hallow raft]

not bait

lol

[manic wolf]

Scummers are educated lads, we can discuss most things in here 😄

[hallow raft]

i just like'em

[tropic crag]

1 shot from a rumbler or a couple shots from any oggy weapon tends to suppress hard, you only need to shoot enough to reach them in melee

[broken bear]

Best rap duo… two old men

[manic wolf]

No, Pete and Baz are hot shit

[broken bear]

Like they are fun

I like em

But best?

Naur

[fast gust]

Some of us don't run lucky bullet rumbla.

[hallow raft]

https://youtu.be/B8HTi2i_BgY?list=RDdv5Uk9UUx_M

[tropic crag]

you should walk to them to prevent hyper dense situations tbh... but also i'm crazy slayer brained

[fast gust]

Or are tired of running it for now a year

[manic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3X91Ld-GU&list=RDY2g589jzYk0&index=29 as far as rap technicallity goes, Afro fuckin rocks also

[glacial gyro]

"Haha listen to this rap music, its perfect for hive scum"

Me, turning up my drum and bass:

[tropic crag]

i literally don't either, i haven't run out of bullets in a match in like... a year and a half with the rumbler. if you are running out of ammo 3 people messed up alot or you used it for the wrong use cases

[manic wolf]

BASED

Luv me some grubby DnB

[hallow raft]

The northern boys are good as well, but they don't have the string of bangers pete and bas drop

[broken bear]

The British need to stop talking abt rap

[tropic crag]

i also don't pick up ammo boxes in any difficulty

[broken bear]

It’s hurting my soul

[hallow raft]

Norman pain is easily the best of that trio.

[manic wolf]

Acting like UK Hiphop hasnt carried the mantle for the last decade

[lost token]

I'm just talking about a tactic that can be leveraged in the moment. It's definitely a very bad idea to just advance holding down shield

[broken bear]

LMAO????

[glacial gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HnxvdeK0U

[manic wolf]

Oh come on, I thought you was gonna post some grub

[hallow raft]

https://youtu.be/zljDDcTnTG0?list=RDdv5Uk9UUx_M

[manic wolf]

Thats like level one iceberg type Dnb

[glacial gyro]

Then you post something

[lost token]

Unless it's actual heat and not shitspeak lames idc.

Tending towards the latter rn though.

[fast gust]

Or we are playing havoc 36 and the ammo pick ups may as well not exist

You are clearly not speaking of havoc ranged situations as just taking a single shot as Ogryn is 50% of your toughness so even slide walking is dangerous

Which is why I still believe they should buff our massively downgraded version of the scum ranged talent, we even have a cool down to the dr, lmao

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/people-just-do-nothing-dj-beats-mc-grindah-kurupt-fm-gif-23385587

[tropic crag]

i wouldn't go that far but i will say that to discount british rap is outright goofy, there is a history there and some of that influenced america over the years

[lost token]

Calling Northern boys heat is a thing to see.

[broken bear]

Stim plz

😭😭😭

British rap

[manic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3VjSxMjFY4&list=RDU3VjSxMjFY4&start_radio=1

Aight

[broken bear]

Carrying the game

Oh lawd

What a take

[fast gust]

All this rap, why not just play something by Carpenter Brut?

[manic wolf]

Dont test me with DnB son, I been a DnB rave DJ for years

[tropic crag]

i've played alot of havoc, if i've had to shoot my rumbler more than 20 times then i was either goofing around or something bad happened... i use it like you would a grenade with a limit of 3 when i decide to use it, because the shovel and rock can do everything else

[hallow raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Fse4Verso

[glacial gyro]

I feel like this is more hardbass

[compact maple]

Why bone saw attack pattern so ass

[manic wolf]

Bruh

It is not Hardbass.

[fast gust]

Rumbla

[tropic crag]

like i've said i'm hyper slayer brained so i mostly melee

[manic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHj3wq50eUk This is Hardbass

[tropic crag]

like i will forget i have a ranged option and cross an army of things to kill the sniper with my hands like the good little slayer i am

[glacial gyro]

Now I am not a music purist, especially not for this particular genre, so I am not equipped to have a real conversation on this

[fast gust]

Pa-light-heavy
Light-heavy

[lost token]

Flatly. No.

I'm sure there's very strong talent but I'd be exploring that in very selective ranges.

[limber cradle]

I think the one UK rapper i really enjoy is Jehst

[manic wolf]

Yeah, he's got some solid tunes for sure

[broken bear]

Deadass nle choppa went to the uk and did uk drill music better than they do it 😭😭😭

[tropic crag]

theres an honest to god legit scene, its going to be the Black british scene obv but they've been there a while making music and a good amount of it is actually pretty great... some of it will be aquired taste lol

[broken bear]

We aren’t doubting there is uk rap

[lost token]

Wouldn't know enough about uk drill beyond some of what I've heard

[broken bear]

It’s just not been carrying rap world wide 😭

[manic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsZe-2ZvuN0&list=RDKsZe-2ZvuN0&start_radio=1

[broken bear]

Like that’s a crazy take

[manic wolf]

Ho hum, UK hiphop bad ho hum 😄

[manic wolf]

Youngsters these days 😄

[tropic crag]

lol yeah i disagreed with that in my direct response to that trolly message , i'm just saying don't discount that scene because theres some great stuff

[lost token]

I mean I'm open. Hip-hop is a beloved of mine so i take my time.

[broken bear]

I have some of it in a playlist

I ain’t against it

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-newgirl-youths-gif-9713766

[broken bear]

Like Dave is lowk fire

[manic wolf]

Shhh, it wasnt a troll comment 😄

[upbeat lynx]

is uncanny even worth on the shivs? i have flesh tearer and riposte rn

[manic wolf]

not even a little bit

I didnt know it would rile up the americans at all

Totally innocent me 😄

[tropic crag]

starting up east coast vs west coast extended edition

[naive imp]

maybe

[manic wolf]

Very worth

[limber cradle]

Tbh idk what modern rappers i even really like

[manic wolf]

Uncanny + Precog is hella stronk

[upbeat lynx]

replace bleed?

[limber cradle]

Black Thought probably, he does some crazy good stuff

[tropic crag]

it seems like it would be strong tbh but theres other options

[manic wolf]

Well you could, but it depends. Do you have Coated Weapon?

[upbeat lynx]

using with vraks iag

[low harbor]

Uncanny riposte the way for shiv/knife on hvs

[manic wolf]

If you're using a ranged build then yes, replace both blessings and go Uncanny/Precog

Riposte is whatever coz you already get that bonus from the tree near enough

[low harbor]

Precog’s uptime is just aids

[broken bear]

Mandatory

[low harbor]

And shivs have very high crit modifiers

[broken bear]

Imo

[manic wolf]

You're always dodging on Scum, it makes no odds

[low harbor]

Better to have more crit than some atks do a bit more damage

[manic wolf]

Ehh

[low harbor]

U get almost half of ur normal crit chance on dodge from riposte

[limber cradle]

If you're gonna run any one blessing on Shivs I'd make it uncanny

[broken bear]

Riposte is better than precog for scum tbh cuz half the talents proc on crit

[upbeat lynx]

i dumped first target because i like 80 mobility but idk if it actually matters that much

[low harbor]

Riposte is just better than precog most of the time

[low harbor]

Never dump first target ever

[fast gust]

It does slightly for htk on crushers and reapers

Also prob others but I'm just familiar with those 2

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

[upbeat lynx]

damn fr?

[naive imp]

scum, stimm his balls

[manic wolf]

No, Hypercrit procs on crit. Not half of the talents

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dokibird-huh-rejected-live-gif-3859302371757875364

[upbeat lynx]

ig its time to sacrifice coins to the altar of brunts armory until i get a 60 mob shiv

[manic wolf]

an it doesnt work ont stuff you need to melee as ranged Scum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30ozeWPw2s&list=RDL30ozeWPw2s&start_radio=1 @hallow raft another DnB banger for ya

[naive imp]

more tgh for melee scum with though

[tropic crag]

it usually doesn't take many (and if you roll like a 61% sometimes i just use those lmao)

[upbeat lynx]

yea i got it in 4

thankfully

[manic wolf]

Thats good goin

[upbeat lynx]

perks?

[tropic crag]

nice

[broken bear]

Toxin

[low harbor]

Flak, carapace, uncanny, riposte

[manic wolf]

True, yeah, though if you'r on ranged Scum you probs aint specced it

[peak bloom]

whats the difference between the two needlegun marks?

[broken bear]

Ranged scum takes hyper crit end of the day

😌

[limber cradle]

What blessings do you lot run on stub pistols besides run and gun?

[low harbor]

Sustained fire

[limber cradle]

Not always

[manic wolf]

Idk, I take the L with the dodge node and take Hyperviolence instead 😄

[limber cradle]

Didnt even know they had that ngl, makes sense.

[broken bear]

Hyper crit is just how I path the tree

I do fuck with hyper violence tho

[hasty agate]

Is a finesse stat required for a weapon to have built in crit chance/damage?

[limber cradle]

I think i put crucian roulette on them when I was still under the impression hyper crit worked at range

[upbeat lynx]

alt fire difference as well i think

[manic wolf]

Ye, Hyperviolence goes hard as fuck

[low harbor]

Keep in mind that it only works for reg shots tho, not spin shots

With that said

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1448581898925248614/6489301.MP4?ex=693c7146&is=693b1fc6&hm=dd088fa148750dfa0a66aa05f44fbd863e29eeb10495777a7b65ec32e8aea89e&

[limber cradle]

Oh fuck off

Lame FS

Very lame

I understand why that is tho

So open up with the spin and tap them

[peak bloom]

what does the alternate mk alt fire do then?

[low harbor]

It’s ok most of the time ur firing in 2-4 shot bursts with it anyway

[manic wolf]

Shit wrong one

[limber cradle]

I know but I really like spinning those mfs when I get the chance

[manic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brKE9es1-Tg&list=PLtEMF1KaKBVtTDLyx6GJDbmFX4gl_NVtS&index=374

[low harbor]

I think the dual 1911s are comparatively in a much better spot than before due to the talent shuffle

[manic wolf]

@hallow raft

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1448045832527020103/Screenshot_2025-12-09_151638.png?ex=693c7845&is=693b26c5&hm=abb46f9d6e6105f89ec54df1b59a0b6618afd5842ca75f41cbc38a14e60204d1&

Axe + dual 1911s

[limber cradle]

I think I'd agree but I also like them for melee builds

And I think melee builds simply got a little better with the new talent layout

[broken bear]

Hyper violence and hyper crit is devious

[low harbor]

They’re basically only gud on melee builds

[limber cradle]

Ik

[low harbor]

It’s gud

[limber cradle]

They don't utilize desp well

Irregardless of how much I'd like to force it

[broken bear]

It feels like overkill 😭

[upbeat lynx]

mk 2 spreads poison

[manic wolf]

I wouldnt take HV with HC, its one or the other due to HC's lack of overflow

[mighty belfry]

stub pistols are good on supply builds too tbh

[upbeat lynx]

i think mk6 just blows up

[peak bloom]

spreads poison... by blowing up? or like the soulfire talent

[low harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448018891963105491/3B546C1.MP4?ex=693c5f2e&is=693b0dae&hm=e4fc6b9c0c0d32e2cb71754e9f6771ae9bdd778cdb6a03d6e9ceae814e911ab1&

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think i prefer melee scum simply because it allows me to run the pistols well

[mighty belfry]

especially with pickpocket nulling any real need for ammo conservation

[low harbor]

I like my crit mauler 1 taps

[manic wolf]

Understandable if you're willing to spend a point on it

[upbeat lynx]

when the enemy dies it will spread poison to nearby enemies on mk 2, on mk 1 they explode when they die doing damage but no spreading of poison to nearby enemies

[broken bear]

Which mode of the needle pistol is better btw

Yellow or blue

[manic wolf]

Target dependent

[low harbor]

Nah, not for the same targets

[peak bloom]

turn yellow on monsters

[upbeat lynx]

yellow single target blue for hordes

[manic wolf]

Ogryns/Boss, green mode, everything else, blue mode

[low harbor]

And there just aren’t talents easily in reach for melee build that are as good as them anyway

[broken bear]

que

[low harbor]

Like I basically took every good damage talent in here for axe lol

This is as high as it goes

[manic wolf]

Idk, I spec middle tree/right tree for melee for crits for tox and damage for local tox dots

[low harbor]

Weapon dependent then

This is just for axe

[manic wolf]

Rashad or Taxe?

[low harbor]

Either

They’re kinda interchangeable

[manic wolf]

With Taxe I would deffo go middle right

[low harbor]

Rashad is overall better

Nah no point

[manic wolf]

?

TAxe has inbuilt higher crit chance

[low harbor]

Almost nothing on bottom right actually matters for a pure melee spec

[tropic crag]

yeah i'd go middle right for taxe

[low harbor]

The only gud one there is sample collector

And tox blackout ig

[manic wolf]

Base damage increase for local tox dot is huge for Taxe?

[tropic crag]

it is yeah

[low harbor]

It doesn’t matter when crits already 1 tap almost everything not an ogryn/boss with rampage + hypercrit

[restive mortar]

Hope we get more voicelines in the future
Like how arbites did

[limber cradle]

I kinda loathe how point hungry rampage is

[low harbor]

Things die before tox matters

[limber cradle]

We will

You should've heard the OG 4 on launch

They finally sound good together 3 years later

[peak bloom]

whats hypercrit?

[tropic crag]

the insta kill that does exactly their hp

[manic wolf]

Sure, trash and mid elites and stuff, but the times you actually need the damage boost its massive for tacaxe. An at that point, Hypercritical is doing nothing for you

[tropic crag]

right?

[manic wolf]

Yup

[restive mortar]

Crits instantly kill humies if health is less than two times the crit

[manic wolf]

Zero overflow so no benifit for HV

[low harbor]

Crit for 1 stack of tox is really not that important lol

It’s ok for shivs on a stim crate build but it’s not worth going out of one’s way for

[manic wolf]

You're missing the point, its not about the tox dot, its about the tox dot giving you a base damage boost with an adjacent node

[low harbor]

It’s still not that big of a boost compared to what I already have

[manic wolf]

#hivescum-class message

It is

[low harbor]

To reach there you need 4 points moved?

[tropic crag]

the bonus toughness would also make you able to face tank anything which means more dps

[manic wolf]

Its a multiplicative bonus

thats very hard to pass up

And it certainly isnt worth it for hypercrit

[low harbor]

It’s not tho

[manic wolf]

See above

[tropic crag]

cole usually isn't wrong

[manic wolf]

^

[tropic crag]

not saying they're never wrong but like... usually reliable

[limber cradle]

Tbf Bath is running CAxe

[low harbor]

Even tac axe is same story

[manic wolf]

Nah, Cole is very on point

[low harbor]

Bottom right is not worth

[manic wolf]

🤷‍♂️

dont take it then, but it very much is worth it

[tropic crag]

honestly the instant 15% toughness allowing for some really dumb face tanks is worth it to me, lets you get alot more dps against ragers and things

[manic wolf]

The only thing you're getting out of left tree is hypercrit, you can get the attack speed node anyway, which is the only meaningful node on that side of the tree for a melee build

[tropic crag]

rager packs i should say

[low harbor]

Rashad already staggers 6 ragers at once with push atk with rampage active

[tropic crag]

you could just swing and kill them while tanking all the hits, its what i do

[low harbor]

Yea it can do that too

1 swing kill 4

Stagger 6 in 1 push atk, light atk once and kill 4 immediately

I don’t get this push for bottom right when it’s just not as good for a pure melee spec

[manic wolf]

Its better

[peak bloom]

^^

i just wish bonesaw's swings were better

[manic wolf]

the only things in left tree that benifit melee are Hypercrit which is just bad when running Hyperviolence and the attack speed node, which you can get anyway

[light phoenix]

How's the other Caxes on Scum?

[manic wolf]

You're just pissing points into the wind by spending points in left tree

[tropic crag]

its mostly the old heads that are saying it so we're probably saying it for a reason, i'm pretty dumb and i just vibe my builds but even i came to bottom right conclusion... like you can go left side but saying the right side is useless is hyperbole

[limber cradle]

They should just give me 5 more points so I can always run tox critical and tox pocket sand.

[tropic crag]

uesless for pure melee i mean

[low harbor]

How

[manic wolf]

Because it doesnt stack Hyperviolence. It is an exact enemy to zero HP effect

[tropic crag]

yeah hyper crit and hv don't stack

[manic wolf]

There is no overkill damage, so you're not increasing your Hyperviolence proc

[ancient basin]

you know what dual stubs could use? blessings that apply after your special action. spin shot bonus to impact, crit, or weak spot damage would all be cool

[low harbor]

Yea but I’m not taking it for the same use case as hyperV?

[manic wolf]

You're just pissing damage into nothingness

[low harbor]

It’s not like I’m critting all the time

[tropic crag]

i want this to be the name of my memoir tbh

[manic wolf]

Why are you taking it? So you might one tap a Mauler once in a while? An you're telling me thats worth giga-juicing your damage repeatedly? Aight I guess, if thats worth it to you I aint gonna argue any more, but it aint worth it

[ancient basin]

hell, even rending would be cool

[tropic crag]

i feel like HV only pops off when you do crit tho because it starts the ramp up faster so i think that HC takes alot from that

[limber cradle]

I think they should give me my side arm back on a melee so hypercrit can be used at range

[manic wolf]

Which results in a one shot on that enemy, and then what? You dont got nothing to push forward with, you have to restack HV

[limber cradle]

God I loved popping those baby chaos warrior mauler equivalents heads with the rapier pistol crits

[low harbor]

Are u really trying to tell me that putting 4 points forward so that I could crit enemies to have them tox’d around me so I can get a 15% base damage increase, is somehow better than putting 1 point into hypercrit to 1 tap mauler/scab rager on light swing 1/3 of the time, and then spending another point to have infinite ammo

[true pike]

yeah where's my cqc shiv pistol

[tropic crag]

same tbh, i only played WHC rapier saltz when i did play saltz

[limber cradle]

That's cause WHC is honestly the best Saltz career

[manic wolf]

It is, because you delete those enemies anyway with melee Scum. But when you're forced into a choke with ten Ogryns that 15% base damage means a whole ass lot

[low harbor]

Cool I’ll run trials on this later

[glacial gyro]

ten ogryn choke is a situation better solved with blackouts with pocket toxin

or a rocket

[manic wolf]

If you can kill you way out of run ending situations, you can kill everything thats not a run ending situation

[eternal quail]

rocket is so fun

my god

[tropic crag]

if we're really honest, and i hate math so maybe i'm wrong here, doesn't the bonus damage from the stacks of posion carry into the next hyper violence and then get boosted again by the bonus damage creating a feedback of sorts? like i literally quit programming because math sucks and i stopped practicing but i think this would be value carrying over in ways that are kind of alot

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-tf2engineer-use-a-gun-and-if-that-dont-work-gif-17911768

[manic wolf]

It can be solved like that, but thats not always avaliable, Blackouts kinda are, but with those you'er still reliant on your melee to do the lions share of the work

Plus you're kinda profiting from the base damage increase by default as you probably have pocket toxin anyway if you're running those

[glacial gyro]

Indeed

[low harbor]

It would be quite rare for tox dot to get finishing blows on Ogryns on rampage melee spec Rashad, I’ll put it this way

[tropic crag]

that never has to happen so i'm not sure what you mean

[ancient basin]

the tox brings target hp lower before the killing blow, so you get bigger hyper violence stacks either way

not much but its there

[manic wolf]

If it hits at the exact same time as a DoT proc mayybbe, but also maybe not, either way, what Gari says

[tropic crag]

like i'm using the bonesaw with that side of the tree so obviously i'm seeing like max returns from going to that side but i do notice crazy ramps in HV when i prime it first with some strikes across the horde then it just takes off

[low harbor]

Ok I see what u mean, the 15% base damage bonus from tox’d enemies, still a pretty rare occurrence though for rampage Rashad

[ancient basin]

rashad would be reliant on crit tox application, which if you crit rashad they are probably dead

[tropic crag]

yeah, i still think HV would feel more smooth after trying stuff but really theres value on the right side of the tree for pure melee, you just have to give up hypercrit but if you like hypercrit then keep using it tbh

[manic wolf]

Its rarer on Rashad, for sure, though I did say there is more of a debate regarding that, but you're still seeing that damage increase in the scenarios you really need the damage boost

[low harbor]

Yea I was only talking about axes this entire time

I will trial your suggestion later but I doubt it’ll be any noticeable improvement

[manic wolf]

Ofc, but TacAxe was included and you 100% want that boost with those

[tropic crag]

yeah and i think its still worth it to go other ways over left but also like... the tree is so great that if you go left you'll still thrive

[ancient basin]

rashad exists in a small category of hivescum weapons that hit hard enough that you probably dont take hyper crit on it, just going full hyper violence

[manic wolf]

Even if the effect isnt active through the majority of the game, it will be when you actually need it to be, which is massively benificial to keeping runs alive

[charred bronze]

whenever someone mentions the UK rap scene, all I can think of is Goldie Lookin Chain or whatever they're called

[low harbor]

Left is realistically just 2 points off from the core build, and bottom right takes 4 to get to that tox’d damage bonus

[final temple]

HV is massively more noticable than HC.

[low harbor]

This is an issue of point cost

[manic wolf]

How many are you spending in the rest of the tree out of interest?

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1448045832527020103/Screenshot_2025-12-09_151638.png?ex=693c7845&is=693b26c5&hm=abb46f9d6e6105f89ec54df1b59a0b6618afd5842ca75f41cbc38a14e60204d1&

I sent this above already

[limber cradle]

Why do you run rocket? Fuck ogryn button?

[ancient basin]

hyper crit feels like a 30% faster horde clear speed on my rampage crit shivs, but thats just a feeling after slaping it back on

[low harbor]

Fun

[limber cradle]

Can't argue with that

[spiral horizon]

he rocks it

[manic wolf]

Ah yeah, i forgot, but yeah, all that on the left can be moved to the right with no issue and no loss of effectiveness

[charred bronze]

in combination with ultra-violence?

I like it

[ancient basin]

rocket gaming

[tropic crag]

i feel like people underate like the wind tbh

[manic wolf]

The only real thing you're losing is infinite ammo, but you can still keep the attack speed

[low harbor]

It’s ok

[ancient basin]

I dont run hyper violence on my crit shivs, as they dont stack

the hyper crit does exactly enough to kill, so no over kill

[manic wolf]

Ymmv but ive never found an instance where HC outperforms HV

[final temple]

I would feel naked without sample collector trivializing downtime for a melee scum. moreso than the worry of limited ammo.

[ancient basin]

I also have tons of crit and dot stacks so stuff just melts

[tropic crag]

i take it over punching above tbh, but in alot of builds i've been taking both

[ancient basin]

sample collector is mandetory in all my builds

[limber cradle]

Love sample collector

[ancient basin]

its to good not to take

lets me always have my stim after rampage is over

[tropic crag]

i haven't put sample collector in any of my builds yet because its not felt needed but i get why people do it

[limber cradle]

I really like it for builds that arent just using Stimm for CD

[manic wolf]

I go with this for the bottom part of the tree fwiw (this is with Blinders)

(For Tac Axe)

[spiral horizon]

I run whatever the objectively worst build possible is while still spending 30 points

[final temple]

that is quite the feat.

[tropic crag]

now i want to try to make this build because that sounds hard

[spiral horizon]

and when I die to poxwalkers I say "Arbites is so much better wtf"

[final temple]

this scum stimms.

[woeful hill]

you should run right

[low harbor]

I will first check if what cole's saying actually maths out to be correct

because toxin mania is coded as just "damage"

[manic wolf]

I'd be shocked if its not tbh

[low harbor]

well

[manic wolf]

Cole has been a long time tester and knows his shidd

[low harbor]

given I had to tell cole how duellist actually mathed out

better to be certain

[spiral horizon]

how do you know Cole's not playing you all for fools in the long game?

[tropic crag]

its possible he's mistaken and its good to check work tbh, he's reliable but double checking keeps us honest

[manic wolf]

Yeah, go check it for sure

[manic wolf]

Finished getting hit on for the night have you chum?

[limber cradle]

I do think there's a fair bit of people not thinking for themselves with builds sometimes tbh

[spiral horizon]

wdym?

[tropic crag]

i just vibe build myself and then end up close to the meta anyway on accident

[spiral horizon]

oh wait right

[manic wolf]

Lmaooo

[near mauve]

99% of people

[tropic crag]

there are alot and its kind of sad because darktide builds are alot more simple then they first look

[charred bronze]

to be fair to those people, not all the math is straightforward, and some talents are much better than they appear to be

a lot of people just want to play the game, they don't particularly get a charge out of this layer of the game

[tropic crag]

i just try things which is i think the intention, because you can just redo it if you hate it

[spiral horizon]

more than you know

[limber cradle]

Nah like I on some level do get it but there's so many people who come in here and go "what havoc 40 meta" without realizing a lot of it is fundamentals

[near mauve]

that's fair the game is confusing but at least try to make something that fits u
i always make my own dogshit builds that work for me then compare to the "good" stuff and try and modifiy
it just requires u to engage with the game

[manic wolf]

A lot of builds are just test in psyk > test in mission an thats kinda about as much as you need in most occasions

[spiral horizon]

and then there are people who run unfortunate stuff due to iffy tooltips or misunderstandings

[charred bronze]

sure, I like to test stuff in the psychanium myself, too. I'm just saying most people don't like to screw around with that stuff. They're happy to benefit from the legwork someone else did

[near mauve]

its like playing an rpg but not caring about your stats

[tropic crag]

i think making your own builds allows for one to have more fun with the game, because when things change they don't need to stop and look up guides or anything they can just play... and they'll have more understanding of the game so they will be able to have more fun as they go through it

[mighty belfry]

plasma gun dueling sword vet be like

[frail beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077be66-a1c9-4623-aa8c-3ce4af979bbd/crackhead-john-wick-high-havoc-build

Am I bugging or is this build ass

[limber cradle]

Psyk is such a god awful testing area vanilla im ngl

[woeful hill]

its offline too

so things are different

lol

[manic wolf]

In vanilla yesh, but not so much with mods

[charred bronze]

it's just not how the majority of people are built. A sizeable minority enjoys that aspect of the game, but a lot of people just want to perform without a lot of guesswork

[limber cradle]

Plasma DS VoC vets are consistently god awful ime

[charred bronze]

and that's perfectly okay, tbh

[frail beacon]

awful stimm choice, no vultures dodge, no focused resolve, DR on gunners w/ desperado

[spiral horizon]

we moved from client-side issues in VT2 to host-side issues in DT

pogress

[manic wolf]

Yeah, you dont have to equate for latency/lag or that one burster that decided it was going to stealth up on you from 100m away

[woeful hill]

no

game numbers

[mighty belfry]

takes a bunch of dodge nodes

[woeful hill]

not gameplay

[mighty belfry]

no vulture's dodge

[woeful hill]

stamina ui lies in offline

[mighty belfry]

like, what

[woeful hill]

healthbars lies

[manic wolf]

It was a joke you boob 😄

[frail beacon]

How is this the highest hivescum build on gameslantern

such an awful website man

[tropic crag]

i would argue people are built that way but its a thing you have to actively want to do, and we live in a world where offloading that sort of brain work is easy to do so alot of people who were built that way have been losing it because they aren't using it... but i get you i'm not actually blaming people i just think more people should just try a bit harder, like a touch

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cock-balls-boobs-ass-personality-gif-24432323

[limber cradle]

Because it says "crackhead John wick" and people look at it and go "haha thats so funny I want to be crackhead John wick"

[full sleet]

whats better for a desperado bullet hose build, braced autogun, infantry autogun or the dual autopistols?

[charred bronze]

I've been in gaming a long time. People enjoy games for wildly different reasons. It's a mistake to think the way you have fun is the way that someone else would have fun, if only they would use their brains

[frail beacon]

Desperado without focused resolve is throwing off that alone but none of the build makes any sense

talking about high havoc build bruh how

[tropic crag]

it might be someone doing good work by not letting people have the easy mode and have to learn the game... or a psyop to convince people scum is bad

[limber cradle]

I mean fwiw I don't run focused resolve either

[frail beacon]

Why? 5s extra duration is yuge

[limber cradle]

I do run pure CD Klay stimm tho

[frail beacon]

I been running that but 5s extra duration for one skill point is massive considering base is 20s

[low harbor]

he is wrong

[manic wolf]

Well...

thats certainly one of the builds of all time

[limber cradle]

Tbh man because theres a lot of talents i want more than 5 seconds of CD ime especially when I have that stimm

[frail beacon]

plus there's so many elites at high havoc it makes upkeep so much easier

[charred bronze]

the majority of players never engage with the community. Discord, reddit, etc. They will google 'good darktide zealot build' or whatever, because they're forced to talent somehow. A lot of people wouldn't even do that if they didn't have to.

[manic wolf]

Please elaborate

[frail beacon]

I can't think of many talents better than that which aren't free on the path to it if that makes sense

[tropic crag]

that wasn't my point at all that talk was more about society as a whole and what causes that sort of laziness when engaging with media, i was even saying before that i purposefully just vibe build and ignore the numbers. i'm arguing that if players engaged with the system they'd learn that its kind of a fool proof system and you can just do whatever and it would remove the need for them to do extra work.

[frail beacon]

Like rather than hive city brawler id take focused resolve

or like the wind lol

[low harbor]

Combat axe H1 into flak elite
No other damage buffs, 606
Toxin mania at max (+15%), 697 = 606 x(1 + 0.15)
+10% melee damage, 758 = 606 x(1 + 0.15 + 0.1)
+15% elite/monster damage, 848 = 606 x(1 + 0.15 + 0.1 + 0.15)

this is not an extra multiplicative step in dmg calculation

[limber cradle]

Absolutely not ime

[low harbor]

this is the same as any +global dmg

[manic wolf]

Interesting

[frail beacon]

Why?

[charred bronze]

Hm, I see what you're driving it. I disagree that the system is all that foolproof, but now I understand your point more clearly

[limber cradle]

DR for free is nice

[low harbor]

I know how dmg calculation actually works

[manic wolf]

Still more of a damage boost than you would be getting out of left tree over the course of a mission tho

[low harbor]

there was never a "base damage" category outside of "damage"

[frail beacon]

20% Passive DR is nice but when you want to be invuln under desperado w vultures as much as you can it actually means way less

[tropic crag]

oh there are noob traps but you can learn those lessons and just rightclick and then left click on a new node, so to me that fool proof because mistakes are only there for as long as you want them to be

[low harbor]

it's just fatshark being weird with tooltip

[low harbor]

it's not notably better than crit 1 taps or inf ammo that's for sure lol

[manic wolf]

Interesting. Good lookin out, though its still a pretty big damage boost

[tropic crag]

english is hard man lol (i'm both joking but also being earnest )

[limber cradle]

Im like 95 percent sure this is what I currently run for DAPs Desp

[manic wolf]

Ehh, less so with Rashad, more so with TacAxe

[charred bronze]

I think a sizeable % of players could tell that a build wasn't working well, but I don't think they'd be savvy enough to figure out which talent or lack of talent was causing it. Not because they're dumb, but they just lack the ability to discriminate performance in-game, and have other things on their mind

[frail beacon]

Why no gunslinger?

[low harbor]

15% is ok but not worth 4 points to grab, is my opinion

[frail beacon]

5% crit is nice for vultures dodge but is it worth the lack in support

[limber cradle]

Fuck em

[frail beacon]

lol

[manic wolf]

Thats fair, you're not obliged to take it

[frail beacon]

true

[low harbor]

kinda irrelevant with pickpocket being a thing tbh

[limber cradle]

I have infinite ammo, I'm not picking up the crates anyway

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. Gunslinger is just kinda bad aura

[charred bronze]

either way, most people just want something that works so they can focus on the gameplay itself. Engagement with talents and character builds is a sub-bucket of players.

[tropic crag]

i get you, and with how many weird systems darktide has there will always be a learning curve there

[frail beacon]

Its for team support

[obsidian crown]

It’s dogshit bro

[frail beacon]

Aight

[manic wolf]

Weird to think an ammo economy aura is bad, but hey, thats the world we live in now

[obsidian crown]

You ever try an ammo pickup in h40?

[charred bronze]

yeah, and darktide is particularly opaque about some talents. Often those are the good ones lol

[limber cradle]

Im supporting them by letting them have all the ammo pick ups

[obsidian crown]

💀

[limber cradle]

They don't need gunslinger too

[frail beacon]

true

[obsidian crown]

Survivalist > gunslinger

[limber cradle]

Big agree tbh

So i might as well crit a lil more often

[next fern]

didnt mean to quote lmao

[manic wolf]

Even Survivalist inst a patch on what it used to be

[next fern]

i started runnign crit aura

[tropic crag]

yea up that high it would be

[frail beacon]

Is rocket launcher worth taking over chem nades yet?

[manic wolf]

But still manages to be better than gunslinger

[mighty belfry]

pickpocket is more of a support aura than gunslinger is lol

[frail beacon]

I know its way better but is it better than chem

[manic wolf]

Yes

[frail beacon]

Aight

[obsidian crown]

It’s hard to tell which I prefer, vraks or dap tbh

Both have pros and cons

[tropic crag]

crit aura is what i like running tbh, 5% across 4 people is pretty nice

[limber cradle]

I prefer to mobility on DAPs

[next fern]

what stim mix are people running btw

[charred bronze]

absolutely. They're both excellent now, but do different things

[mighty belfry]

i really cannot vibe with the dual autopistols

idk why

[manic wolf]

Zook = targeted bullshit remover, fish tin = area denial

[limber cradle]

You lack joy and whimsy

[obsidian crown]

Zook is still area denial, just instant

[mighty belfry]

Fevor and Vultropene

[frail beacon]

Why slippery>nimble?

[low harbor]

if ur talking abt havoc, if a hvs is on a team, usually ur getting some sorta frontliner + hvs + psyker + vet
at that point 50% of the team doesn't actually care abt ammo and the 1 vet also wouldn't need much assuming they're competent (outside of boltgun ig)
it's just not as good as giving people 10% more melee dmg (actually a lot) or 5% crit (actually helps basically everyone besides og)

[mighty belfry]

I do the hard drugs

I need the hard stuff

[manic wolf]

True, and targeted 😄

[limber cradle]

Because i have enough dodge distance on what I'm already running so I might as well be dodging more often.

[next fern]

good to know im using exactly that lol

is there a point to running less than full stims

[obsidian crown]

Bro thumb’ed up bath’s explanation way too fast to have read it

[next fern]

for lower cd

[mighty belfry]

exactly that

lower cooldown

[frail beacon]

Isn't jittery dodge more often

[limber cradle]

If i was running a less mobile weapons I'd run nimble

[frail beacon]

Slippery is slides

[mighty belfry]

but that starts to not matter as much when the density is higher

[charred bronze]

From my limited screwing around with both, daps have faster ttk close up. Vraks has better long range accuracy when you need it. It's a pain to tag a sniper all the way across the map with the daps. It's only somewhat better with the vraks though

[next fern]

no i mean, in practice, are people doing that

[limber cradle]

My bad, is late

[next fern]

i cant tell if its worth

[mighty belfry]

some are

[limber cradle]

Because I reslly enjoy ruining my muscle memory with slide tracking immunity

Its very fun to slide through hordes

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259187493266395178/1448044599317893251/3F38621.MP4?ex=693c771f&is=693b259f&hm=0d4948213e7e6ab1f47c1ed4156c36e2dad0621fdb9ef2ec7e0f07ec10f07376&

[obsidian crown]

Vraks is faster (both are super fast), but dap has more mobility over vraks as a trade off

[frail beacon]

Are dodge slides considered dodging still? Stupid question but I deadass just found out you could dodge into slide

[mighty belfry]

and it does make the buffs more consistent cuz of shorter cooldown but, as density goes higher, that changes since you're killing so much that sample collector starts to put more work in

[manic wolf]

Essentially if you take Slippery Customer

[mighty belfry]

Yesn't.

[manic wolf]

Do love me a slippery customer 😄

[low harbor]

the slide part isn't

[charred bronze]

that's not what I was seeing in the psychanium? Not like I was using a stopwatch, but stuff was dropping noticeably quicker to the daps

[limber cradle]

Slippery is gonna fuck me up so bad when I play another class again

[frail beacon]

So you need slippery for dodge slide to be dodge ic

[obsidian crown]

?

[mighty belfry]

You're immune to melee attacks but you're not actually dodging.

[frail beacon]

I thought it was just for regular slide

[obsidian crown]

What are you even running on the vrak

[manic wolf]

No, slippery just makes you not take melee damage on slide

[low harbor]

the dodge part is dodge, the slide part only dodges ranged atks

[frail beacon]

ic

[limber cradle]

Dum Dum+Speedloader or Deathspitter

[mighty belfry]

It's a weird specification

[limber cradle]

Flak and Unyielding

[manic wolf]

Ninja'd me lul

[frail beacon]

@limber cradle Why no long lasting too?

[mighty belfry]

But it matters

[tropic crag]

its good for ranged but on melee i skip it sometimes, just took it off to retool my main build again lol

[low harbor]

no, it's just making slides dodge melee atks
area melee atks can still hit u

[obsidian crown]

I’m asking merc

[frail beacon]

Appreciate you bearing with me on this lol

learning a lot

[mighty belfry]

Since sliding out of melee attacks won't proc on dodge effects

[limber cradle]

Told you

[obsidian crown]

How the hell is this less dps than dap

[manic wolf]

Really? I'd not noticed that tbh

Usually end up too far out of range for it to matter

Thats interesting tho

[low harbor]

the only notable melee area atks are overheads

[manic wolf]

Ahh that makes sense then

[charred bronze]

dunno what to tell you. I'll hop in again and make sure I'm not on krak, but back to back dap seemed quicker

[limber cradle]

What does this mean

What is "long lasting too"

[frail beacon]

Why not take the talent long lasting

[manic wolf]

So just Crusher and Mauler

[mighty belfry]

Also I take back what I said about jittery at least for faster weapons tbh

[frail beacon]

long lasting, too

[mighty belfry]

because inefficient dodges still have decent distance

[frail beacon]

Long lasting is 5s extra stim

[obsidian crown]

You’re smoking crack if you think dap outdps vrak. I love dap. But I’m not coping. Dap just has better mobility. Both are fast TTK either way.

[manic wolf]

Them dodgy gas station pills

[frail beacon]

for CD stim it basically gives you desperado back

[low harbor]

this entire class fks muscle memory

[limber cradle]

Because I am using my stim entirely for CD and if I kill fast enough I do not need to waste a point on an extra 5 seconds

[limber cradle]

Its fuckin awesome

[mighty belfry]

that's honestly why i only run nimble now lol

[low harbor]

nimble vs slippery is the battle of "dodge on crack" vs "slide unnecessarily"

[mighty belfry]

I'm only screwing my muscle memory in one way

[frail beacon]

ig I always have trouble getting entire desperado back without it

[limber cradle]

Fuck it bro run both

[woeful hill]

be neutral and dodge stam on dodge

[manic wolf]

But why not dodge on crack and then slide unecesserily? 😄

[obsidian crown]

@charred bronze literally just headshot reaper with both weapons. It’s very obvious. Or mauler

Body shot mauler

[charred bronze]

no you're correct

[limber cradle]

Im magdumping DAPs into everything infront of me with Klay when I'm not in Desp, and I play where there's enough enemy density to get it back

[charred bronze]

I was, indeed, on krak

[hasty agate]

Slide spam in melee combat is such a fucking nuisance, I hate it

[manic wolf]

Though if im honest, playing Zealot last night didnt feel like it fucked my muscle memory much

[limber cradle]

I fucking love movement speed

[manic wolf]

I was playing like shit because many beers deep, but if anything it felt just as easy as Scum

[limber cradle]

I love how fast this god forsaken class allows me to go

[frail beacon]

Final question, why not run Hypercritical?

I haven't tested it but I imagine it's good w the build

[charred bronze]

though they're quite close. I don't think the loss of mobility is worth it in the end

[limber cradle]

Cause I'm not meleeing

It's a desp build

[frail beacon]

Is hypercritical only melee?

[limber cradle]

The only thing I knife fight is crushers

[novel oracle]

its melee only

[frail beacon]

I thought it applied to guns

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[frail beacon]

Oh lmfao

[obsidian crown]

I would say vraks is probably more viable in havocs since you generally move slower as a team. But I’ll have to test after my vacation. Leaving tomorrow

[novel oracle]

but @limber cradle youre taking +1 ranged dodge for it

lol

[hasty agate]

“Strikes” refers to melee.

[limber cradle]

I love +1 gun dodge bro

[frail beacon]

Makes sense

[novel oracle]

you could drop that and take hyper crit as just a boost to melee

idk ive never ever needed it ever

[limber cradle]

I love dodgemaxxing Charlie

[frail beacon]

But you are taking hyper-violence lol

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-pim-smiling-friends-pim-smiling-friends-gif-7561264856518647790

[shadow umbra]

i hate this penance so fucking much

[limber cradle]

I love dodging

[manic wolf]

Poggiest skill on the class

[limber cradle]

I'm running tac axe secondary and it pairs nicely ime

[shadow umbra]

im genuinely getting killed trying to heavy attack instead of light

[charred bronze]

I did it with a h sword in mortis

[frail beacon]

ic

[woeful hill]

Hsword or Taxe

[hasty agate]

Heavy sword is your friend for that.

[limber cradle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

What else am I gonna spend the point on

[frail beacon]

Nah ill try it im curious

[limber cradle]

I don't need ability CD

I don't need melee swing speed

[frail beacon]

Blessed stims idk lol

time out?

[manic wolf]

Thats a terrible node lol

[limber cradle]

I don't like time out

It doesn't feel like

[frail beacon]

never run it but yeah makes sense

[limber cradle]

Useful to me generally speaking

[frail beacon]

I cant remember the last time I took corruption

that wasnt full healthbar

[limber cradle]

I'm either at 150 hp or 0

There ain't corruption to fix

[manic wolf]

Ye, corruption cleanse on Zealot aura is passable, but other instances, not so much

[frail beacon]

@limber cradle wb like the wind

perma sprint dodge

[limber cradle]

If you don't wanna run hypercrit you do not have to

[frail beacon]

No its all good Im just curious lol

[mighty belfry]

hypercrit is weird to me

[frail beacon]

you've had good reasoning

[limber cradle]

Hyper violence*

[frail beacon]

I just feel like you're only taking hyperviolence because nothing else makes sense to you

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm almost entirely sure I had it on cause I wanted to fuck around with Taxe

[frail beacon]

for the point

[limber cradle]

I'm not sure there was a greater reason

It feels good with BruMon Taxe ime

[ancient basin]

if big hit hyper violence, if many small hit hyper crit is how I view it

[limber cradle]

"Fuck it why not"

[ancient basin]

both are more for add clear than single target dps, just different ways of reaching it

[frail beacon]

I mean hold up actually

why not focused ffs

you need something for the point 5s extra duration mannn

[ancient basin]

hyper violence does encroach on dps, but tis bery hard to actually get it consistently

[limber cradle]

We went over this man

Like twice

[ancient basin]

dual revolvers when

[limber cradle]

Im noy answering it again

[ancient basin]

nah no arguments here, just musing

[frail beacon]

I mean your answer was that you would take other things over it but your answer for hyperviolence was you couldnt think of anything else to spend the point on

[limber cradle]

I genuinely don't need the extra 5 seconds of CD on desp

[frail beacon]

thats all

[ancient basin]

I dont take focused resolve, but I am running a cowboy build that just spams pickpocket revolver fanfire ammo

[limber cradle]

I also told you I took HyperV cause I was fucking around with Taxe tbf

[ancient basin]

desperado is for doing funny infinite ammo horde cleave things

[limber cradle]

I wanted to see how it felt

[ancient basin]

but mostly I just zoom and obliterate specials

me when running my desperado build:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14zm4jd/spinogryn/

[obsidian crown]

My desperado builds

With dap

Vrak is a bit diff

[limber cradle]

I really wish

Vultures dodge had any other intro nodes

I don't like ammo jack, baby blaze away, or extra melee swing speed that much

[obsidian crown]

I run coherency radius on vrak over sticky hands

Just to support team with vulture

[limber cradle]

I constantly forget vultures has a support aspect

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

It’s slept on

[limber cradle]

Tbh after I played arb, psyker, and ogryn I stopped giving a fuck about trying to gen toughness for my team

[low harbor]

yes
also the instakill is considered melee non-weakspot kill (can activate adrenaline but not BM)

[ancient basin]

dual scrap scimitars when tho

[limber cradle]

Those fucks can gen their own toughness

Idk about zealot, but they can't die anyway

[main wagon]

I find I either run Ruffian on my DAP build to offset little melee investment or if there’s multiple Scum in a lobby I’ll swap to the one we might be missing since they don’t stack

Also no butterfly?

[obsidian crown]

I’m usually only hive in my lobbies for some reason

And nah, I have enough crit rate on dap

As bath said, there’s no crit string

And I’m already constantly proccing VD

[main wagon]

Fair does, I haven’t been reading chat today while at work lol

[limber cradle]

I want pictorial evidence of your next 5 lobbies bro

[low harbor]

no crit string but 25r/s is basically RNG through volume

[limber cradle]

If DAPs could crit string you would genuinely never not crit

[obsidian crown]

My last 2 games

Was testing vraks.

[charred bronze]

gonna do a few vraks runs myself now

[obsidian crown]

Team sure loved pushing poxes on me

[limber cradle]

I feel like I consistently always have 1-2 scum with me

[charred bronze]

thanks for showing me the light. It's worth trying

do you think I'm right to do unyielding/flak?

[obsidian crown]

I find it’s easier to survive on dap because of mobility

Yeah that’s what I use

Because I can dodge faster out of teammate pushing bursters than vraks

[charred bronze]

what's your standard anti-crusher move?

[obsidian crown]

My worse enemy on HV is teammates usually

[charred bronze]

I'll probably settle back on daps since they're so close, but it seems fun

nice to have a change of pace available

[obsidian crown]

2 knife throw into heavies on shiv for 1-2 or bazooka for a wall of crushers

[charred bronze]

and not be 'punished' for short bursts instead of mag dumping

though I guess with vulture's dodge you always want to be shooting anyway. Still

[obsidian crown]

You’re still mag dumping on vraks

[main wagon]

Vultures lasts 1s, you can literally tap fire and it’ll keep re-procing

Doesnt drop stacks of blazing either

[obsidian crown]

But yeah with the super high fire rate of dap

I find you don’t even need butterfly

[main wagon]

With DAP at least yeah

[obsidian crown]

Try it yourself

[main wagon]

There isn’t anything missing from my current setup that I would prefer instead of butterfly tbh

[obsidian crown]

What do you run

[main wagon]

I got my sticky hands back, it just has weird pathing now

[limber cradle]

Crit more? Don't mind if I do

I like crit builds tbh

In basically every game

[obsidian crown]

Look at my crit hits on vrak game. 1.3k

[main wagon]

Shivs with DAP + Rocket, Desperado Ruffian Vultures. Not home to post a tree atm

[obsidian crown]

Dap is bugged with scoreboard

On crits

In actual games

[main wagon]

Although I REALLY miss my soup

Mostly because I like stimming by spinning the lid

[obsidian crown]

But crit tracking works in psyk for daps for whatever reason

[main wagon]

Ima keep it 110% with you, MUCKER

I vibe everything out

[obsidian crown]

I basically had 22 minutes of ranged immunity without butterfly on vrak in a 30 minute game

And some of the downtime is just waiting and running between sections

Dap is better

For crits

[main wagon]

Generally I’m never intentionally playing to improve

It just happens because that’s how vidya work

I say that but a lot of the average players plateau early

I never realized that some people could play a game for years and actually still be kinda wet dogshit

[obsidian crown]

Time played doesn’t always mean good

[main wagon]

Exactly

The first game to open my eyes to a similar concept was the Battlefield “100 Major”

When we were kids, a buddy of mine 100 major before me which used to be a pretty nice accomplishment

The problem was this buddy had 0 gamesense to the point where I could hunt him down with a knife on Canals TDM. So even though he had the “rank” all it meant was that he went hard grinding for a couple weekends lmao

[near mauve]

i have 500 hours not counting afk and im not good

get on my level

[main wagon]

Reminds me of the period of time where there was an XP bug

And if you saw someone with like 2000+ levels on a character you knew they didn’t earn it

Now it’s like “Nah okay that might be legit”

YMMV though because the highest level players I’ve met in DT have been the worst players, and then ragequit on first death

“Oh boy a level 1600 Ogryn”

[near mauve]

u dont improve unless you're taking the game seriously

ive been w+ gaming for so long

it works why change

[limber cradle]

I just don't care tbh

[near mauve]

i just play to beat things up

[main wagon]

I don’t even go hard, I just want to complete the mission

[limber cradle]

I play video games for fun

[main wagon]

I just refuse to ragequit

[limber cradle]

If I want to be "the best" at something I'd rather it be like, tangible

[main wagon]

If we lose it’s literally w/e just load another mission

Wish the homies gl in next and move on

[limber cradle]

Always say GG imo

Even if it was abject suffering

[main wagon]

Some scum on like the first weekend started writing me hate mail because I didn’t solo the cspawn that killed him before any of us

[bronze glade]

nah

there are def many teams that don't deserve it

[main wagon]

There are *people that don’t deserve it

Not often the whole team

[limber cradle]

Doesn't matter, don't care

[main wagon]

I always say gg

[limber cradle]

I say GG

[main wagon]

Even if you had to waste time beefing with one particular moron the whole match

Two people had to sit in that game with you

[bronze glade]

i don't say gg

[main wagon]

They stuck it out, they deserve a gg imo

[bronze glade]

unless the team fucking deserves it

[limber cradle]

Idc if it's the three stooges

I'm saying GG

[bronze glade]

i'm not going to lie about whether a game was good or not

[main wagon]

Thanks, Shep

[bronze glade]

if i think it was good, i'll say gg

which is not often

[mighty belfry]

ok while i do acknowledge that blinders are incredible for their utlity

[limber cradle]

Idk man, its ingrained into me to shake hands and say good game irregardless of what happened

[mighty belfry]

the boom bringer is so god damn fun

[bronze glade]

lol you're prob a better person than i am

i can get toxic

[bronze glade]

it does feel satisfying

[limber cradle]

I played team based sports as a child

[main wagon]

As an American yeah

[mighty belfry]

civi with shivs, needler and boom bringer

https://gyazo.com/aa5591efd036d0a715fa9bfddeb24433

step aside, purge psyker

[main wagon]

Child soccer was like this for a lot of us, just walk past the other team holding your hand out and basically dap them up like “gg” even if you got swept

[limber cradle]

Oh I'll rip into someone if they volunteer to be a punching bag, but thats normally only if they're actively toxic

And I'll still say GG after

[main wagon]

Conversely they were discouraged from bragging like assholes and being modest

You can celebrate just don’t rub it in

[bronze glade]

if i was playing with premade teams it'd be a different story

hard to feel team spirit

with a bunch of rando pubby shitters

[limber cradle]

Idk man

Bad mental loses games

[bronze glade]

that steal your ammo, spray it into hordes, and die to a stiff breeze

[mighty belfry]

the one time i have ever truly gotten toxic in an actual game was when someone pointed out my friend having less than 200 kills

when they literally joined at the end event to replace someone who left

[limber cradle]

My mental is a fortress

[limber cradle]

Someone was being toxic to my friend who was new to deadlock earlier and I had to, in turn, be very toxic back

They did however stop speaking.

So that was nice.

[mighty belfry]

"Imagine having a modded scoreboard just to be a loser and talk shit about people."

[ancient basin]

when double captains and team wipe, sprint away to get rez

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-jojos-bizarre-adventure-joseph-joestar-battle-tendency-gif-17923881

[bronze glade]

wait

that's me

[limber cradle]

Thats why they removed the fuckin thing

[mighty belfry]

Like I hate, that having a scoreboard isn't a base function

But then I think of people like that and I honestly get it at the same time

It's fucking sad that people are like that

[limber cradle]

I genuinely am a fan of not having one. It doesnt matter who did what. Did you get to the end screen? Congrats, you won.

[main wagon]

The only time I used the scoreboard to talk shit I was playing Arbites

Gunker kept shooting every single target I pinged before my dog would get to it. He also kept shooting every single distant target his fellow psyker was trying to brain burst, and sucking up the ammo

[bronze glade]

i usually do it to keep an eye on who double dipped on the medicae when i was on one wound

[mighty belfry]

I like having it to see where I stand. Whether a build I cooked up is actually putting it work and all.

[bronze glade]

or has 800% ammo taken

[bronze glade]

yeah that too

[mighty belfry]

Not to have bragging rights over other people

That's just lame.

[near mauve]

sorry buddy if i outdmg you i have the right to claim your wife as my own

[limber cradle]

I get it but so many fucking people like to feed their ego with green circles and yellow numbers like it means anything at all.

[sturdy linden]

lesson learned: bistol scum isn't really that fun

too slow

[mighty belfry]

It's not 😭

[bronze glade]

desp explodey bistol? i liked it

but maybe i'm weird

because i hated desp DAP

[mighty belfry]

I also don't like DAP

[bronze glade]

and DAP is very clearly intended to be used with desp

[limber cradle]

I love DAPs

[bronze glade]

i think it lacks horde control for me

brauto and bistol on the other hand...

[limber cradle]

What blitz do you run

[near mauve]

idk it mows down everything

[bronze glade]

blinders

[limber cradle]

Yeah, lemme get the picture again

[limber cradle]

Tbh they're all the control I feel i need

[main wagon]

oi itz da toxie fookin blinders

[bronze glade]

feels good sometimes, but even in this situation i'd rather be running bistol or brauto tbh

[main wagon]

There’s a critical lack of reload speed stacking here

[limber cradle]

Yeah

I agree

I run speedloader talent+perk on them things

[main wagon]

We can bump up that lawnmowing efficiency

[shadow umbra]

should i take off call for a time out for jittery?

[limber cradle]

Imo yes

[main wagon]

I dropped time out yeah

[bronze glade]

i run speedload and speedloader, wdym lmao

[limber cradle]

Time out doesnt feel like it benefits me much at all

[limber cradle]

That looks so slow

[main wagon]

^

[bronze glade]

idk what to tell you but i run both the talent and the blessing

[main wagon]

Either I’m just tripping or maybe Fatshark spaghetti code rooked you

[mighty belfry]

it depends, what are you running

[main wagon]

I believe you

I just don’t believe in Darktide’s consistency

[bronze glade]

you can see the speedload blessing procced

[limber cradle]

Tbf this game feels horrifically inconsistent rn

[bronze glade]

but obviously speedloader does not have the icon

[undone sorrel]

just tried shivs on a rampage build for the first time

[undone sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/narcan-overdose-paramedics-heroine-nosferatu-gif-27664810

[main wagon]

My reload speed essentially makes it look like I just bang them together

It’s so fast when it proc’s correctly

[bronze glade]

hmm

yeah mine def aren't that fast for whatever reason

[main wagon]

I’m heading home from work in about an hour. If I have a clip back at home I’ll tag you if you’re still up

I’ve gotta have at least a single clip of just bursting through a massive group with Scum by now

[bronze glade]

yeah just tag me

[limber cradle]

What do you guys even clip things with

[bronze glade]

and i'll see it when i see it

i use steam's built in clipping function

[near mauve]

steam clipping works perfect

[main wagon]

Steam has a built in recording thing

[limber cradle]

Didnt even know steam had one ngl

[bronze glade]

it's relatively new

[main wagon]

It’s glorious. It’s like NVIDIA Shadowplay

[broken moss]

what can i do to increase my crit rate? im not sure whats going on but ive had games with 70% crit rate but lately seems like 50% is the best i can manage

[limber cradle]

I just play the games man

[broken moss]

shivs too

[bronze glade]

i think it's better than shadowplay/gamebar

[limber cradle]

Ill give it a try, ty

[main wagon]

The only thing it’s not great for is exporting

For whatever reason it used to mangle the quality for me

[bronze glade]

i just copy to clipboard and paste onto discord lol

[main wagon]

I had issues with the MP4’s being dropped into editing software but yeah for short clips on here it’s perfect

[charred bronze]

hm, if you were gonna drop dumdum or deathspitter to get speedloader on vraks, which would you drop? I don't actually think it's the play, but I want to see if it improves desperado. My inclination is to keep dumdum

[main wagon]

Any time you need a “hey check this out” clip for something

[charred bronze]

what's the shortcut for it?

[limber cradle]

You drop DS ime

[main wagon]

Shift + Tab to open the Steam overlay and then go to “Game Recording” on the bottom left

[limber cradle]

Dum Dum feels more consistent for damage for me

[main wagon]

I forget the default hotkey but I set mine to CTRL+F10

It’ll clip the last 45s

But you can set it to whatever you want

[shadow umbra]

desperado build

with duel autos

[main wagon]

It’s just always recording in the background, but runs on your GPU so it’s not actually as hardware intensive as if you were constantly recording

[limber cradle]

Tbh my issue with most recording software is the space it would eat

[main wagon]

Steam’s pretty good about that. NVIDIA clips are massive but steam compresses them fairly well

I did do a purge a while back just out of good habit because while I take a lot of clips, I don’t post SHIT

[limber cradle]

Nvidia clips coming for every free gb of space on your pc

[main wagon]

Was that a 30s clip of Armored Core 6?

[uneven rune]

Are the braced or infantry autos worth using with the desperado meme build or is it just dual autos forever.

[main wagon]

800mb pls

[limber cradle]

Vraks IAG defo good

I haven't tried a BAG yet cause I kinda just don't like them but ik some people here have found success with them

[limber cradle]

Nvidia autoclipping warthunder gameplay and eventually eating 60 gbs without warning is why I stopped clipping

Alright time to go watch someone suffer a no warping bloodborne run and attempt sleep

Gn chat

[main wagon]

I used to hold it at gunpoint when it’d ask if it can record its own highlights because usually those highlights involve me dying spectacularly

Godspeed Mucker

[low harbor]

I hope they make a 2nd variant of this with higher per-shot damage and much slower firerate like the actual Uzi (~600rpm)

[low harbor]

try steam recording

it only keeps latest X mins u set

and u could always use a keybind to clip the last X seconds of gameplay

[mighty belfry]

sry for the late reply but

honestly you're probably running vulture's dodge which makes jittery a tad redundant?

[bronze glade]

give it some cleave, like even just 2 cleave

and i'm onboard

[near vapor]

aye steam recording is good

[hexed lava]

i wanna try other gun but diamonte is so dried

[grand jewel]

play havoc

[hexed lava]

only max out crowbaw, bone saw, dual pistol smg

i usually auric hi shock, too lazy to find party in havoc

gonna grind i guess

[spice cloud]

Slippery customer tis but a scratch and burst of energy are mandatory imo

[shadow umbra]

dependancy

[sturdy linden]

I really wish FS fixes bursters soon

it's getting exasperating

[sturdy linden]

damn things blowing up where you have zero hope of pushing them and nuking you anyway

[charred bronze]

it sucks, it really does

[spice cloud]

I really noticed the extendet range yesterday

[grand jewel]

I've not been having many if any issues with them, I just see people talking about them alot lol

and my dumbass teammates shooting them, but that would be a problem with or without the supposed bug

[sturdy linden]

I was clutching some not-so-good players in the new mission and I got obliterated because a burster jumped on a player who was downed further ahead of me

I was nowhere near

[spice cloud]

Its usually bad situations where i couldnt dodge far enough

[sturdy linden]

but the explosion still clipped me

[spice cloud]

And it still hit me

Even tho i thoughtbi was far enough

[sturdy linden]

yeah "far enough" now means "exhaust all your dodges dodging backwards"

[spice cloud]

Yeah i think i didnt notice because scum dodges are further

[surreal kelp]

Is there a reason I cannot equip The Show gear?

I literally just made a hive scum and it gives me a red exclamation point when I equip their gear

[spice cloud]

U got it unlocked?

[surreal kelp]

Yeah

[spice cloud]

Bug i suppose

Try turning it on and off again

[surreal kelp]

I can change the upper body but it refuses to let me change anything else

[spice cloud]

Yeah just try restarting

[hasty agate]

I just saw a Mister E video where he said the crowbar has built in Thrust…

[sturdy linden]

It does

[hasty agate]

wtf lol

[spice cloud]

Huh?

It does?

[sturdy linden]

Yes

[high gull]

I respect the gang colors

But yah boy look musty

And Irish

But mostly musty

[grave venture]

People that are so stupid you genuinely get a sore throat even without saying a word

[surreal kelp]

Is there a way to make a hive scum not look musty/cracked tf out