hivescum-class

[limber cradle]

Tbh when I think of "good into carapace" I think of 2 shotting them with PS cause I'm brainrotted by that thing

[keen timber]

Yep seems about right

[manic wolf]

Lmao, in a previous patch I had a build with Graia on Vet that would absolutely delete the Twins boss fight, was how I got the golden ballsack insignia

[haughty slate]

saaaame! someone in here was telling me that the combat blade DESTROYS crushers... then showed me a video of them hitting them 7 times to kill them

I'm ruined by DB head poking

[limber cradle]

God power sword is a weapon that exists in darktide

[frigid thorn]

Only downside of powersword is ruining the side of my hand from activating it nonstop

[keen timber]

I kinda don’t want to use the PS in case it brainrots me ngl

[winter galleon]

just buff desperados damage, make it also increase reload speed and dodge recharge but remove the outright immunity. same with vultures. its wrecking on damage only because its just blazing away without a care in the world, its raw damage isnt impressive its just massive uptime

[limber cradle]

I have weapon specials bound to one of my thumb mouse buttons

[frigid thorn]

Me too lol

[manic wolf]

Use the OG shovel like a real chad

[lilac ermine]

Actully psword is so skillful

[manic wolf]

(its got the best moveset in the game)

[haughty slate]

I would like half damage from ranged attacks and halving reload time. Seems fair to me.

[limber cradle]

I do think PS requires a mental tweak to play

[woeful hill]

Foot pedals.....

[limber cradle]

Especially if you're DS brainrotted

[woeful hill]

Think about it

Left foot pedal for special action

[frigid thorn]

Good idea, what the hell are my legs doing anyways

[woeful hill]

Right one for push attack

[manic wolf]

What is this? A flight sim?

[woeful hill]

One of the best tide players uses them

I find that fact funny

[keen timber]

It kinda has to power up each time but yeah it’s strong

[lilac ermine]

I was looking at mods and why is psykers have so many like macro mods

[haughty slate]

that's wild

[manic wolf]

Thats wild lol

[keen timber]

I’m really enjoying the suppression shield rn

[haughty slate]

just get an mmo mouse

[keen timber]

U just throw everything around everywhere

[limber cradle]

Its a different flow to most melees

[keen timber]

Yeah

[lilac ermine]

Some of them is so sus

[keen timber]

Power swing swing swing swing power block poke overhead etc

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. I use one of these an its such a massive QoL upgrade

[frigid thorn]

I love putting hammerblow on the shield just so I can throw literally anyone by touching them

[woeful hill]

Psyker is the min max class and some people don't want to put in that effort to get mad effect

Thus mods

[haughty slate]

same brotha! love it

alright I gotta go keep my job

have a good one folks

[lilac ermine]

Ohh cause I saw one that stops you from ever exploding yourself

[manic wolf]

Hell yeah 🙏

[lilac ermine]

And thats how I die alot

I never see psykers explode themselfs anymore

[woeful hill]

Nothing stops people from using mods, go for it

[obsidian crown]

Because they’re bugged now

[winter galleon]

isnt it bugged right now where you dont explode?

and can just infinitely spam

[woeful hill]

I just see them as a loss of skill gain

[manic wolf]

Honestly I find Psyker to be a snoozefest

[woeful hill]

Why learn how to play the game when I can get a mod that does something for me

[lilac ermine]

Wow so psyker is powerful rn

[frigid thorn]

My only wish for mods is for Skiitarius to let me use the Tacaxe VII light spam by holding M1 but also allow for me to do the push attack horde clear combo as well

[winter galleon]

lol right now?

psyker is gamebreakingly op

[frigid thorn]

to save my fingers

[woeful hill]

Psyker can't explode rn

Bug

[winter galleon]

has been for a long time

[woeful hill]

Outside purg and ek left click iirc

[foggy lantern]

There is a mod for skitarii?

[manic wolf]

Infinite cleave was a mistake

[woeful hill]

Yes

[limber cradle]

I still think its fucking insane some of the people in arb chat had mods that did their weapon combos for them

[obsidian crown]

EK right click I think

[woeful hill]

They didn't learn with battle wizard

[winter galleon]

people asking for scum nerfs while psyker over there just breaking the game

[lilac ermine]

If psykers had ammo it might be more balanced

[radiant swift]

skiitarius is an auto clickler mod afaik

[frigid thorn]

yes lol

[limber cradle]

Thats what im saying man

I genuinely do not give a fuck that scum has infinite ammo because of psyker

[woeful hill]

Staffs/blitz aren't the only things

[manic wolf]

Both can need nerfs at the same time

[frigid thorn]

I just use it to set up my side mouse button to toggle light spam for the fast attack weapons like tacaxe since my fingers hurt

[woeful hill]

My melee psyker can out dps any class

[manic wolf]

They're not mutally exclusive

[lilac ermine]

Their melee??

[woeful hill]

Yes

[winter galleon]

vet, arb, psyker all stronger then scum though

[glad flame]

rescuing a down teamate as they are surrounded by fodders only to have a clown car of crusher spawned right behind us already swinging is peak darktide

[lilac ermine]

I dont see many psyker with melee

[foggy lantern]

Sick. Too bad my PC is in the repair shop with a failing motherboard

[limber cradle]

Defo, but theyre gonna buff psyker again

[woeful hill]

I can 10 shot a h40 full HP boss

[bronze glade]

I use it

[glad flame]

[winter galleon]

the problem isnt, are things op? its, so much is op that where do you start?

[manic wolf]

Psyker, maybe in a pinch, but Vet and Arb? No.

[bronze glade]

This game already hurts my hands too much as it is

[woeful hill]

Because psykers don't need too they learned that they don't need to learn melee if they spam ranged

[bronze glade]

It's either use the mod or not play at this point

[frigid thorn]

yeah

[woeful hill]

Thus they lose game sense of how to melee

[frigid thorn]

finger pain lol

[limber cradle]

Why

[woeful hill]

I was lucky to spend my 1st 1000 hours on psyker as a melee one

[manic wolf]

the difference is you actually have to play Scum, you kinda dont Psyker

[woeful hill]

I learned so much

[lilac ermine]

I saw vets and zealot have macro for push attack axe

[bronze glade]

Arm and hand pain

[limber cradle]

Melee psyker is imo the only fun way to play psyker

[frigid thorn]

force greatsword psyker is the only one I enjoy playing

[lilac ermine]

How do psykers melee

[manic wolf]

In an older patch tho no doubt

[limber cradle]

Extremely well

[manic wolf]

'Coz Psyker did used to be a glass cannon, not a machine that turns mental illness into toughness bars

[woeful hill]

Yeah, right after penance update before crafting update

[foggy lantern]

Are they actually OP or is it moreso that the 'underpowered' classes have a meta to them that is fundamentally boring?

[limber cradle]

Psyker is op

Scum is one of the only things thats dropped that can come close to purge psyker damage

[manic wolf]

You're telling me functional immunity to 90% of a match or infinite cleave are healthy mechanics?

Both need curbstomp nerfs

[limber cradle]

Especially for the input level required

[lilac ermine]

I think psyker is op because they can hit everyone with purge and trauma

[echo plaza]

that's a thing?

yeah let's have a mod play the game for me

[limber cradle]

Macros man

[lilac ermine]

Hit through everyone I mean

[limber cradle]

Ig man

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

[woeful hill]

I once had someone brag to me that they beat a havoc 40 really fast

[lilac ermine]

There was another sus mod that shows all the specials and elites through walls

[woeful hill]

Turns out it was 4 people spamming macros on the strongest builds

[lilac ermine]

With like indication bar

[limber cradle]

Psykernautics

If you use psykernautics I genuinely think less of you

[obsidian crown]

Full auto is the only mod I use that’s kinda a macro. I ain’t clicking dual stubs bruh

[woeful hill]

Hold then

No?

[obsidian crown]

Stubs

[loud herald]

stubs aren't full auto no

[bronze glade]

Literally cheating reeeee

[woeful hill]

Ahhh

[obsidian crown]

Not uzi

[foggy lantern]

Immunity isn't, but cleave probably is, assuming it's not infinite damage and moreso being able to cut through as many enemies as you want. It's a horde shooter/slasher game.

[manic wolf]

Relatable, but that doesnt change really, anything at all, its just QoL

[woeful hill]

Mb

Forgot those exist

[echo plaza]

i used full auto for the laspistol

that's pretty much it

[lilac ermine]

Whats psykernautics?

[limber cradle]

You have a macro to auto click the pistols, I take attack speed stimms to let me click them faster, we are not the same

[keen timber]

They really needed the class to do everything for them bruh

[limber cradle]

Legalized esp

[final temple]

All the way back at release I mained psyker. I miss being squishy…

[woeful hill]

Bring it back

[drifting heron]

Wallhacks

[keen timber]

Psyker should be squishier imo

Should be a glass cannon

[lilac ermine]

I think it was a different mod

Like sense

[manic wolf]

It is, but the point of the difficulty increase is that mechanics are designed around hitmass, and thats how weapons are balanced. Having stuff that circumvents those mechanics is gonna result in it being hilariously overpowered

[bronze glade]

Psyker should not exist imo

[limber cradle]

Genuinely how the fuck is psykernautics a sanctioned mod

[drifting heron]

Its been reported

[lilac ermine]

Spider sense

[woeful hill]

Fatshark seems to have given up on controlling mods

[keen timber]

I remember like 2023 gunlugger being the most disgusting thing in atoma

[woeful hill]

They need to draw the line soon

[drifting heron]

I think fs just got sidetracked

[keen timber]

Why?

[limber cradle]

Spidey sense i can at least understand because its accessibility for the hearing impaired

[bronze glade]

Except that one that reported damage numbers in chat

[echo plaza]

bro what

[keen timber]

What

[limber cradle]

Psykernautics is just straight up legalized wallhacks

[echo plaza]

first time i'm seeing this

[woeful hill]

I have modding friends and from what I've seen there can be a lot worse mods uploaded...

[echo plaza]

that's so dumb

[lilac ermine]

WTH

[bronze glade]

Mostly memeing but the current state of psyker is pretty aids

[manic wolf]

Yeah... and Ogryn is still pretty disgusting tbh, that being said, he's a 1 ton meatball thats too stupid to feel pain, it fits (up to a point)

[keen timber]

Fair enough

[bronze glade]

Mod was removed

[lilac ermine]

Why do psykers have them ost op mods

[limber cradle]

You don't use them, right ainz?

[lilac ermine]

Most

[cedar cairn]

Hive Scum isn't OP if you play with the appropriate handicaps: public lobbying

[bronze glade]

Pretty sure fatshart nuked it

[woeful hill]

No, I use mods that remove game elements

[foggy lantern]

If Psyker is the only class that can ignore hit mass, then it gives them a specialty. It's similar in a sense to krak grenades doing insane damage to monstrosities for vet, or Zealot being hugely tanks with area denial.

[limber cradle]

Actually, what HUD mod do you use?

[echo plaza]

LOL ok dude

[woeful hill]

Only "cheaty" mod I have is decode helper

[manic wolf]

Scum is only OP in the hands of a good player, for your average player, its very much not (not including ranged setups)

[keen timber]

I just remember rippergun shredding bosses in seconds

[woeful hill]

Custom hud

[obsidian crown]

Best mod ever for me is guaranteed weapon swap

[loud herald]

weapon combo mods remind me of people using a plugin in ffxiv (a tab target mmo) to combine buttons into one button press, like what's the point of playing if you're just gonna skip any need for skill

[limber cradle]

Thank you

[foggy lantern]

Since when has the Warp ever given a fuck about physical obstacles?

[drifting heron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/617
Nope

[keen timber]

These things aren’t remotely comparable what

[limber cradle]

I want a more minimalistic HUD

[bronze glade]

Even with the mod weapon swapping is fucked rn 😭

[drifting heron]

Still here

[limber cradle]

This shit fills me with seething rage

[bronze glade]

No I'm talking about the mod that reported damage numbers to chat

[keen timber]

zealot having some damage reduction is akin to ignoring cleave

????

[obsidian crown]

Fine for me. Did you update

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[calm aurora]

Ad a 43 yo gamer, I say YES you can

[cedar cairn]

I'd rather the game stay unbalanced for sweatlords than shit all over the people with jobs

[loud herald]

that's crazy that a mod like this is allowed to stay lmao

[obsidian crown]

Are you using stims when it’s still on cd

[manic wolf]

Its not the same thing, no. Because it effects every enemy across the board. Being able to spread DoTs to every enemy on the screen, regardless of whats in front of them results in said DoT weapon scaling with density. The more enemies there are, the stronger this effect gets. Its not healthy

[keen timber]

Go down in difficulty then.

[bronze glade]

Hmm I don't think so

[keen timber]

Quadratic scaling

[radiant swift]

that mf quadratic

[loud herald]

you can't be seriously pulling out the "I have a job so I can't play as much" argument

[final temple]

while lorewise psykers can have witch sight, this is uh… mods are wild xD

[radiant swift]

they just need to make flame weapons work off cleave some how

[obsidian crown]

Only thing that’s buggy with swap mod iirc

[radiant swift]

just make them really fucking good at it

[manic wolf]

Is quadratic bigger scaling than exponential? Im bad at maths

[cedar cairn]

Not taking arguments on game balance from a LoL player

[radiant swift]

afaik yes

[loud herald]

there's lore and then there's liberties taken for the sake of gameplay balance

[bronze glade]

Yeah idk I'm assuming servers are so fucked even the mod can't save me

[loud herald]

we love a good ad hominem

[foggy lantern]

Oh. So a playstyle that is built specifically to counter hordes in a horde game gets more effective the bigger the horde is, and that's a problem?

[manic wolf]

Lmao, but yeah, anything that scales with density to the degree Purgatus does is a problem

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[radiant swift]

yes

[woeful hill]

Yes

[bronze glade]

Yes.

[cedar cairn]

This isn't high school debate club

[radiant swift]

becuase it invalidates a lot of shit

[drifting heron]

Yes

[woeful hill]

They are scaling difficulty by increasing enemy count, but what if a class just doesn't care how many enemies there are? Hmmmm

[loud herald]

I don't touch league with a 40 foot pole tbf

[radiant swift]

wow player

[loud herald]

yes

[brittle sierra]

Dam are people unironically trying to say that Psyker is "balanced"?

🍿

[manic wolf]

Yes. Yes it is, because things like Perilous Combustion play a part and you're effectively circumventing a mechanic that every other class has to abide by at all times. Making the Purgatus stronger than all of them, regardless of context in higher settings. The only time its remotely balanced is in low difficulty, which is fine, but in higher difficulties it breaks the game.

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807

[bronze glade]

And what if the horde clear build also wrecks crushers hmmm

[limber cradle]

going "you play league so you can't have a balance take" makes you look stupid imo

[keen timber]

Yes.

[loud herald]

i'm not hiding it

[mighty belfry]

If anything, it feels this game currently is being balanced around the fact that stuff like purge psyker exists.

[loud herald]

[calm aurora]

Wdym

[mighty belfry]

And that's not a good thing at all.

[obsidian crown]

3 games I’ve never touched that’s popular - Fortnite, wow, and LoL

[brittle sierra]

What happened to OW? 😔

[keen timber]

Lmao

[loud herald]

irrelevancy

[fallen coyote]

how is that a flex?

[manic wolf]

Lolol

[obsidian crown]

I played until Ashe release

[keen timber]

He said popular

[brittle sierra]

It's relevant to ME dam it

[echo plaza]

i've never played league

[loud herald]

me either

[hasty agate]

Me either

[loud herald]

only MOBA i've ever played is HOTS

[obsidian crown]

I can’t stand lol graphics tbh

[loud herald]

and that was for like

2 matches lol

[north meteor]

what does that do

[foggy lantern]

Cleave doesn't apply to long ranged weapons, does it? So wouldn't a larger concentration of ranged enemies be more relevant against a playstyle that functions best at close to melee range?

[drifting heron]

Wallhacks

[loud herald]

wallhacks for specialists and elites

[radiant swift]

cleave does apply to ranged weapons yes

[limber cradle]

Its legalized wallhacks, someone posted it+a screenshot under that message but above these

[mighty belfry]

Cleave does apply to ranged weapons

[drifting heron]

Yes it does everything has cleave

[foggy lantern]

"People who should work at Arrowhead Studios" circa 2025

[brittle sierra]

I love my misinformation in the morning ☕

[mighty belfry]

There are only a select few things that have infinite cleave in this game

[woeful hill]

Psyker has 2 infinite cleave ranged weapons and 1 melee, and 3 talents that are infinite cleave

[drifting heron]

Being hyperbolic

[woeful hill]

Yipppee

[manic wolf]

Guys. Im gonna be real.. I dont think a guy who's named himself "the flamethrower" is gonna understand why infinite cleave is broken, he's obviously very attached to the idea

[brittle sierra]

Not u

[mighty belfry]

Fewer of them that also go through carapace.

[brittle sierra]

Maybe he's just a pyromaniac

[mighty belfry]

And all of those options are considered a cut above the rest solely because of their infinite cleave properties.

[alpine hazel]

Is IAG better than auto pistol

[limber cradle]

Tbh I don't trust anyone named "the flamethrower" in German to have good opinions

[limber cradle]

Its different

[manic wolf]

There is that, yeah

[brittle sierra]

Wait

In German?

[foggy lantern]

Does the psyker's 'infinite cleave' apply to ranged weapons, melee weapons, or is it more situational than most complaints are letting on?

[north meteor]

oh oof

[limber cradle]

It's at least the stupid meme German for flamethrower

[manic wolf]

I didnt wanna point that out, but..

[bronze glade]

You press one button you have infinite cleave 🤷‍♂️

[obsidian crown]

I don’t trust Germans period ||im joking for the sensitive ones||

[brittle sierra]

I wonder why he specifically likes THAT flamethrower? 🤔

[drifting heron]

It applies to everything
With perilous you just have to kill an elite
If thats situational you should play on a real difficulty

[loud herald]

if fetshork doesn't clamp down on some of these mods they're gonna get to the point square enix has gotten to in ffxiv where cheating mods are so prevalent there's more people using them than not because they refuse to put anything in the game to stop said mods

[limber cradle]

Surely there is no tangible reason that would cause us to look down upon them.

[brittle sierra]

Hopefully

[drifting heron]

Fgs slash only requires kills
Purgatus and Trauma are 24/7

[brittle sierra]

Idk I just like the chaos 🍿

[mighty belfry]

It can, and with the extra benefit that psyker can also pop elites and specialists to propagate dots to an extreme level.

[north meteor]

I feel like you'll always have those problems with a game that allows mods

[dim moth]

yeah likwe the soviet flamethrower they intentionally tried to mae look like a normal rifle is way cooler

[north meteor]

and also maybe Psyker isn't broken. Maybe it's the culmination of the friends we made along the way. Power of friendship

[drifting heron]

Maybe

[loud herald]

funny enough ffxiv's TOS firmly states that mods are not allowed but they never fucking do anything about it until their hand is beyond the point of being forced

[loud herald]

their client has 0 anticheat of any sort

[manic wolf]

The thing is FGS requires player input to get that boon, and its for a single attack, so by default its kinda balanced by that (I playtested that weapon with FS btw), is it strong? Absolutely. But its not broken. Purgatus and Trauma are, because as you said, they have it from the get-go with no input from the player and no pre-requisite component

[loud herald]

so people can do whatever the fuck they want lol

[winter galleon]

have you considered that the in-game psyker is the new physical manifestation of the emperor and asking for nerfs is heresy?

[limber cradle]

My favorite flamethrower is the m202 flash

[bronze glade]

Well you still have to be careful about peril. OH WAIT

[drifting heron]

Its still infinite cleave which is inherently unhealthy

[frigid thorn]

is pinning fire better than blaze away on the shredder, if I took one?

[loud herald]

my beloved says he will kill you all if you ask for psyker nerfs

[bronze glade]

Ideally you take both

[manic wolf]

Peril has been an afterthought since first skill tree rework tbh

[frigid thorn]

with calvacade basically lol

[woeful hill]

Pinning is more overall dps, blaze away only comes close if you always empty the clip

[bronze glade]

Calva isn't really worth imo

[limber cradle]

Tbh I do not love Blaze Away cause I do not like feeling obligated to dump my mag every single time.

[north meteor]

I recognize its unhealthy for the game. Though my main desire for Psyker is for all the staves to be good enough for meta

[manic wolf]

Pinning/Blaze is best on Shredder, yea

[north meteor]

not just purge

[frigid thorn]

for the vulture's dodge cheese lol

[woeful hill]

They are

[manic wolf]

It crits a bunch anyway, you dont need Cavalcade

[bronze glade]

Yeah

And it fires so fast

[manic wolf]

Yup

[drifting heron]

Doesn't it have crit chains too

[north meteor]

Voidstrike isn't really meta right

[manic wolf]

It does

[woeful hill]

What is meta?

[north meteor]

I've seen some decent builds but most don't run them in high havocs

[woeful hill]

Strike is sure the "worst staff" but it's still on psyker

[north meteor]

you know what, fair enough

[manic wolf]

Void isnt terrible, but its hard-stopped by Crusher (which is a good thing), trouble is, its competing with Trauma and Purgatus, so yeah, by default it doesnt compete

[woeful hill]

Calling a staff bad is like calling an infinite ammo gun bad since it has infinite ammo

It still has the role of a staff

[lilac ermine]

Is psykernautics a chinese mod

[woeful hill]

Infinite ammo with crit synergy with talents

[north meteor]

EK is solid for what its worth

[woeful hill]

Yeah

[north meteor]

its very good at elite killing

[woeful hill]

It destroys auric

And is great pick for havoc

It reminds me of SotT

As the special controller

[manic wolf]

Shadow of the Turdtree?

[north meteor]

I've also never used trauma, but I've heard it competes with the purge staff

[dim moth]

yeah

it's less consistent than purge staff damage wise since it has to crit to soulblaze

but it also has stagger

[manic wolf]

Its an infinite ammo Blackout grenade

But with better damage

[woeful hill]

It's a lot more skill intensive but it's my 2nd fav staff

I used it for my H40 duo

I have a part early in the video

Dire situation and I somehow got out

1 min

[drifting heron]

Trauma is like if purg was mildly engaging

[north meteor]

Maybe I make a trauma build

[drifting heron]

Pretty neat if you want to be a wizard for 20 minutes

[woeful hill]

https://youtu.be/0aCgA8Wm72E?si=kcz2VGOKhVPrlJ3l

[north meteor]

I use my purge and EK the most

[obsidian crown]

Trauma just requires a lot of slide tech and precision otherwise you’ll struggle

[north meteor]

but I've been on scum and zealot more recently

[manic wolf]

Its a fun staff to play intermittently, but its still much stronger than it should really be

Its certainly more cerebral than Purgatus tho

[lilac ermine]

Trauma is as broken as purge

[limber cradle]

Purge is just lowest input for max output ime

[woeful hill]

Look at 11:15

[keen timber]

I should make a psyker

[manic wolf]

Yesnt. You do actually have to play the game to use it, but yes, its, in essence the same thing as Purgatus

[woeful hill]

I shouldn't have been alive

But with keje the goat and trauma we got out

[alpine hazel]

Engaging as I spam the charged attack at my feet for 30 seconds while not a single rotten crusher touches me

[drifting heron]

I did say mildly

[north meteor]

ah its a charge attack staff

[obsidian crown]

Psyker was my first main character

[north meteor]

same

[obsidian crown]

Squishy back then

I haven’t tried the new buffed psyker yet

[north meteor]

I haven't really either. I played an auric the other day on purge and it felt mostly the same as it did before the rework, just tankier

and I haven't put my EK build back together yet

[foggy lantern]

I haven't played Psyker in a while, and even then, when I used Soulblaze it was with FGS. I never much liked the flame staff, despite the name.

[manic wolf]

Melee Scum > Melee Vet > Zealot > Arb > Ogryn > Psyker

[north meteor]

Melee Scum > Melee Zealot > Psyker, and I haven't played the rest but I know I'll like Psyker more than them

[manic wolf]

Classes that require input from the player are so much more fun to play

[keen timber]

U have vet second

[north meteor]

animation cancel EK is pretty fun

[mighty belfry]

It's boring but also the strongest staff by far.

[manic wolf]

Yes Ma'am, for one reason. Sapper Shovel is the best moveset in the game.

[tender forge]

Mk1 baybe

Give me that and I can take a baneblade

[foggy lantern]

I play stealthy charged lasgun crit vet and chainaxe melee speed frenzy scum. Truly the duality of man.

[keen timber]

I can’t wait to set my machine gun helbore shit up

[keen timber]

Mf walking in front of the astartes predator tank like he’s that dude from the tank man picture

[manic wolf]

It do be like that. OG shovel is SO fuckin good to play, an answer for every enemy type, the special attack can be weaved into combos and its suitably fast. The only thing close to it in terms of all round combo potential is the MKIV TacAxe, but the Shovel is just chefs kiss

[north meteor]

maybe I'll actually get to test out blinder nades today since my internet was out yesterday

[keen timber]

Run them with pocket tox and they fuck so hard

[north meteor]

yea I'm gonna swap out +1 biltz for pocket tox

[keen timber]

Are you running +coherency or something

What setup is this

[foggy lantern]

It also sucks ass at range, which I actually dislike for my playstyle.

[north meteor]

oh you're right travel points

[manic wolf]

Blinders > Zook > Chem nades, it do be like that

[north meteor]

I actually have to take it I think

[keen timber]

True facts

Let’s be real though the actual list is

Blinders

There’s nothing else on the list because I’m never running anything else

[novel oracle]

truke

[manic wolf]

Lmaoo

[north meteor]

Chem nades are so satsifying though

the pops

the pops

[novel oracle]

its satisfying watching my fps divide on itself constantly

[neon fern]

the swaggiest blitz is defo boom bringer

[manic wolf]

They're a visual spectacle, and in 3 weeks noone will care that they exist

[keen timber]

I need to sort my thing out for plasma gun so I can shoot the fucking thing without ruining my frames

Need to update my drivers

[neon fern]

chem nades are just dumb

[tender forge]

I cancelled a volcano cannons animations woth the poke

[manic wolf]

They dont need a buff, they're strong area denial tools, but vs instant stagger or targeted armour wall removal? They dont have any worth

[foggy lantern]

I actually don't like it, because it feels super sluggish for how high-octane you have to play the class to stay alive.

[keen timber]

Yeah they’re so good. And with pocket tox they’ll kill specials or chaff in auric

[manic wolf]

I prefer taking that to Blinders personally, but I cant argue that Blinders are the superior pick

[neon fern]

you can't argue against the results tho

[dense hollow]

its sluggish to pull out but you've made some mistakes if you're in danger that you could've stopped if you used it sooner

[keen timber]

I can and will. My reality is the only one that matters.

[lyric valve]

Tox nade > launcher >>> blinders

[foggy lantern]

Krak does better, but maybe because I haven't tried tox rockets

[neon fern]

chem nades are an I win button in any diff

[manic wolf]

Wait but you take Blinders tho?

Please tell me you're not drinking at work Wyv

[tender forge]

Pocket fent is my favorite

[dense hollow]

tox rockets and non tox rockets are basically the same

[neon fern]

i'd say they're actually better krakr cuz the aoe is so big now

[foggy lantern]

Too back hive scum doesn't get krak grenades. I could named mine Krak-Dealer then

[neon fern]

u just can't regen them

[lilac ermine]

Krak cant kill 20 crushers at once tho

[keen timber]

It’s a work do so yes I am drinking

[manic wolf]

Pretty much. There is a decent AoE (effective AoE increase) from taking Pocket tox' with Zook, but its not a requirement

[dense hollow]

you're honestly wasting points getting pocket toxin with zookas imo

you get +1 blitz anyways if you're going that path towards chem dependancy or whatever so you can just take sample collector to path down

[manic wolf]

Well hope you're having fun its a good day to sink a few

[dense hollow]

instead of pocket tox

[foggy lantern]

Only because 20 crushers can't fit in its blast radius.

[keen timber]

Yes and I’ll argue they’re the superior choice in all scenarios

I don’t drink much anyway tbh

[manic wolf]

They are, no question imo, but I prefer zook

https://tenor.com/view/brilliant-i-like-this-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-richard-hammond-gif-18951630

[keen timber]

Fair enough

Nah

This is brilliant, that sucks hard

That’s the correct one

[manic wolf]

Heresy

[keen timber]

My opinions > your opinions

[bronze glade]

All the HIV blitzes go damn hard tbh

[manic wolf]

You gotta earn that an I dont see much earning

[keen timber]

Ur not very good at this whole internet debate thing huh

I’m a person on the internet and therefore am always right

[manic wolf]

I'm old, give me a break

[bleak sail]

I've been in one mission with an Ogryn in the last 2 weeks.

[keen timber]

If you start losing, invoke godwins law.

[manic wolf]

Also more guiness deep than I care to admit.. so ehm there is that

[keen timber]

Lmfao

[high gull]

@broken bear Aye stink puss, you down for a few runs later?

[manic wolf]

The only godwyn I know is Boltgun

[frigid thorn]

sticky hands + shredder pistol is awesome, the crosshair is so tiny lol

[keen timber]

Is this darktide?

[frigid thorn]

like how tiny it makes the crosshairs on DB shotgun as well lol

[high gull]

maaybe

[keen timber]

If so, define later

[manic wolf]

Well that escalated quickly dint it

[lilac ermine]

Is ogryns only play hard mode

[keen timber]

What

[manic wolf]

No.. Ogryn is EZ mode

Just LMB to win

Simple

[keen timber]

^

[neon fern]

swing once

regen all toughness

[keen timber]

Arg gone, guess the dementia kicked in and he forgot he’d messaged in here

[neon fern]

repeat

[manic wolf]

Ogryns are just mad they're lost grenade priviledge, dont listen to 'em

[azure mist]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lGpnAOj09Sf5YrIoD?invite=cr-MSxFV3gsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=45

What they lost to btw

[manic wolf]

Looks like you have a macro for attacks on the go

[abstract onyx]

Can the Dual Stub Pistols be used as main weapon?

[keen timber]

Yeah probably

I recon you’ll spend a lot of time reloading though

[novel oracle]

thats what speedloader is for

[manic wolf]

They certainly can, but you need a bit better positioning skills than Shredder or DAP's tho

[keen timber]

Still gonna be reloading a lot

Yeah the stubs won’t tear through a horde like the others

Need better aim too imo

[manic wolf]

Oh no they will

But you need to drag the horde into a choke

They have wayy better cleave

Hence positioning being more of a factor

[autumn smelt]

How'd they get 13 rocket shots? I need to know the secret

[azure mist]

It’s 100% muscle memory im ngl

You’ll see in a lot of my clips I’ll swing at the air cause I think I’m in range LMAO

[azure mist]

Field Improv Vet

[autumn smelt]

OH RIGHT

[manic wolf]

I just noticed one of thier names

Hairy Pooter lmao

[abstract onyx]

i kinda wish we had dual toxin pistols imagine stacking up toxin extremlyy fast

[novel oracle]

they just better

[high gull]

Whenever she gets off work tbh

[keen timber]

A couple hours I guess?

[high gull]

Fucking clowning

"WAX HIS ASS WAX HIM"

Nearly spit my drink out

[high gull]

I honestly don't know when lewwwy gets off work

She just sporadically pops up

[azure mist]

I said BLAST HIM lmao

[keen timber]

Lmfao

[high gull]

Close enough

[drowsy relic]

Warrior mode

[frigid thorn]

@novel oracle are your guides up to date, after that weirdness happened last night where they kind of self updated?

[manic wolf]

He's got the right idea

[novel oracle]

pretty much

the melee builds still has whatever for guns cuz it doesnt matter

[manic wolf]

Imagine if explosive radius could damage the player tho

[radiant swift]

still disapointed I can't rocket jump

[frigid thorn]

I still have no idea what happened lol, builds say updated like a week ago, but I know for a fact all the skills "snapped" to the right places and aren't broken

[sturdy linden]

playing branx tauntgryn after a solid week of hivescum is an experience

[muted pivot]

Thank you for ordering your heavy swing, it should be dispatched within 3-5 business days.

[sturdy linden]

[keen timber]

LMAO

[wind crane]

is it important to upgrade needle gun?

empower*

[keen timber]

I mean the non damage stats help

[tight musk]

80 mobility on needle gun gives you like +0.9 sprint speed, which is kinda crazy.

[azure mist]

The aftermath

[lavish forge]

Sticky surprise >~< oh that sounds bad

[wind crane]

which shiv mark is best?

[lavish forge]

Has the same energy as a box of tissues next to the computer ngl

[wind crane]

which shiv mark to use with needler*

[hasty agate]

It baffles me that people say Scum is weak. Meanwhile, I can slick carry people in damnation at level 25 with no curios.

[radiant swift]

in generally I recommend the stabby shiv, your horde clear with lights is plenty good, unless I am missing something about the cleave knives

[wind crane]

stabby shiv?

which mark is that

[radiant swift]

mk1 is stabby mk3 is cleave

[keen timber]

Basic game skill will let you do that. The same skills the people that think the class is weak lack

[wind crane]

ok ty

man why dont they have like a description for the marks

or is there and im missing?

[radiant swift]

it's just fatshark things

[keen timber]

You want clear, relevant information? In a fatshark game?

[radiant swift]

they give a description (sometimes) when they release a weapon with multiple marks in the patch notes

[novel oracle]

the only ones simple enough for that are guns with fast, slow, and inbetween variants

[foggy lantern]

It's only weak before level 10 IMO. Then it starts popping off.

[manic wolf]

Whack heretic > ???? > Profit?

[novel oracle]

mistakes are punished really hard, and the leveling proccess in the first 2/3rds is kinda awful

[frigid thorn]

Unload seems to barely affect the DB shotgun. Shooting a Mauler in the chest goes from like 1749 damage to 1770 lol

[north meteor]

the leveling process is a lot better now at least lol

Granted most people in this discord suffered through the first tree

[keen timber]

Likely doesn’t manage to get the full benefit and only gets one stack

[north meteor]

but also why no xp curios smh

[frigid thorn]

yeah seems to be what's happening.

Good news though means I can move the point over to Ammo Jack and get the mythical 3 round shotgun in 2 barrels!

[hasty agate]

I just really wanted to test a setup and the capability of base value health and toughness.

[keen timber]

Oh yeah that’s cool

You just stuff an extra shell down one of the barrels

It works in real life too, try it!

[north meteor]

fair

[manic wolf]

You gotta be careful saying stuff like that during America hours, their education isnt the best

[keen timber]

LMAO

[frigid thorn]

my favorite part is if you fire both barrels it still only shoots 2 shots, so you have one still left over for fun purposes

just like in real life

[keen timber]

‘For fun purposes’ is ‘surgical removal of a single poxwalker from the canvas’

[frigid thorn]

yes

never knew what hit 'em

[north meteor]

Our education is great if you can survive

[robust minnow]

Got a couple questions about Like The Wind

[surreal surge]

Did they get rid of the toughness regen after being hit by ranged attacks? I swear I can't find it now

[robust minnow]

DOes "sprint dodging" mean the mechanic where bullets are dodged when sprinting?

[keen timber]

It’s like playing hive scum!

[keen timber]

Yes

[surreal surge]

Nvm I'm stupid

[keen timber]

It’s moved

[manic wolf]

Something something school is a shooting range something something

[robust minnow]

Ok awesome, thx

[north meteor]

the joke isn't funny if you explain it

[robust minnow]

"Stim Shady" 🤣

[manic wolf]

Oh it is, because we have jokes about you misusing words, so if anything, its doubly funny

[keen timber]

Jokes are much like frogs

They die when you dissect them

[north meteor]

ironic you used "work" instead of "word"

but yea people misuse words here all the time

[frigid thorn]

is it better to dump collateral on the DAPs?

[manic wolf]

Look, Ive been drinking for several hours, you shut your ass up mister

[keen timber]

Unless ur using pinning fire, always dump collat

[abstract onyx]

Whats the dump stat on Stub Pistols?

[manic wolf]

Bit like the French 😄

[hasty agate]

New scum name - Tweaker Bell

[keen timber]

Lmao

[north meteor]

Im surprised I haven't seen any Octanes yet

[toxic dagger]

@novel oracle am I going crazy or is there a spare talent point in your new shivs build?

[north meteor]

I guess this game and Apex don't crossover well

[manic wolf]

It was a choice between this or "Over Stimulated", which was probably a bit on the nose for this point in time

[keen timber]

Lmao

[manic wolf]

More like noone in this community cares to touch the game that resulted in no more Titanfall

(Yes im still butthurt about that, fuck off)

[robust minnow]

Same tbh

[north meteor]

It was pretty fun when I grinded it. But I never played Titanfall so I don't know what I'm missing

[manic wolf]

Bruh

You should

[keen timber]

As you should be.

Titanfall was a goated game

[manic wolf]

Idk if TF1 still has servers, but the second game does an its easily one of the top 5 multiplayer shooters of all time

Maybe top three

[north meteor]

Apex is by far the most skill based battle royale though, so its why I enjoyed it

[manic wolf]

Fuckin right it was

[keen timber]

I think Fortnite players building the tarj mahall the second u start shooting them is much more skilled

[robust minnow]

I put my time in to get "Too Legit To Quit" in 1.

[manic wolf]

Kraber one shots whilst leading your target by six fucking miles

[novel oracle]

so there is
that can go in either rampage power or adrenaline toughness ig

[north meteor]

I disagree, but I realize my disagreement is a hot take

[manic wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pjzuvz/fatalist_being_miserable_for_2_minutes/ Imagine going through baross and it being this empty...

[north meteor]

shooting in Fortnite takes very little skill

[manic wolf]

Just play DayZ smh

[north meteor]

the movement in Apex is way more skill based than building is imo

[north meteor]

Never played but I've been told I'd like it

[robust minnow]

Look if like Apex, it's fine. You're just never going to get me to get into it.

[manic wolf]

I dont know you much, but you might, you might not, its mostly a very slow paced game, but its the thinking man's survival game

[rose flax]

Question do the two replenish toughness nodes in stim tree work every second during stim supply or only for the first time you get the effect?

[robust minnow]

Unless you give me an account with literally every cosmetic and character unlocked.

[north meteor]

I'd also never recommend the game to anyone, to clarify

[ripe seal]

i always sorta figured the toughness regen nodes were on applying the stim only, but not sure

[north meteor]

I play Tarkov and Rust a good bit

[manic wolf]

In the Stim tree? Its Coherency regen and nothing more

Other than the node that gives you 25% back on use anyway

[ripe seal]

that's the one we're both talking about

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. it aint like those

[manic wolf]

Not worth taking unless you really need the DR imo

[ripe seal]

its only really worth taking in a stim case build for the team, since 16% damage resistance is nothing to scoff at, as is 80% toughness regen

[manic wolf]

@north meteor you could spend 4 hours getting geared and never see another player, and you could lose it all in less than 5s, it is uhh.. a very novel experience

[north meteor]

oh so its more like Rust, except you see a lot less players? As for the getting geared, it seems like Rust gearing somewhat. At least my time management perspective

[toxic dagger]

Ah so I'm not crazy

[manic wolf]

To be fair, thats a good point, if you're using it with stim cache it could be decent, but I'd be hard pressed to call it worthwhile over more things dead more quickly

[toxic dagger]

I put it into pulverising strikes since you used to have that in the first iteration

[abstract onyx]

Can i run Stub Pistols with a Desperado build?

[ripe seal]

it still pales compared to the other toughness regen options like vet/zealot shout or arbite field thing

[reef spoke]

Yes, its fixed to get Cri Bonus too so it's even stronger than before

[novel oracle]

the shivs dont have uncanny so theres something to be said for the rending node if you hate armor that much

[manic wolf]

Ehh, its very different to Rust, there is very limited crafting and you can't craft guns in the same way through finding resources. You need to find the gun, the magazines and the ammo, it has a more indepth (though not by a vast margin) medical system whilst requiring you to find food and water like Tarkov (Tarkov was inspired in part by DayZ)

[oak bramble]

my stims are so heretical they asked me where is horus

[ripe seal]

stub pistols on desperado is nice, and compared to the SMGs they actually get pretty nice damage against carapace with crits so they get to deal with that better, while still beinf fine in horde situations

[abstract onyx]

Is mobility a Dump stat on the Stub pistols?

[oak bramble]

exterminatus levels of your

[north meteor]

oh neat

[oak bramble]

Khorn berserker slaughter kush

[tender forge]

The shivs have canny (shit canny)

[rose flax]

I understand but I was wondering if it was only an initial effect for the replenisment or during the whole stim supply duration

[oak bramble]

this shit is turning your gellarfields off

[ripe seal]

mobility is pretty much always dump, I could maybe see collateral as the second option to dump

[manic wolf]

the initial effect is just the capstone nodes for it, but the toughness replenishment (through coherency) is active throughout the stim timer

[sleek jasper]

the movespeed is decent even if you take it as the dump stat. The stagger, damage and crit are too valuable to pass up

[reef spoke]

Yes, they have some use from stagger

[radiant swift]

quite a few guns can dump collat as they have no stagger breakpoint between 60% and 80%

idk if anyone has tested that for the scum weapons

[rose flax]

No that's regen, I'm talking about the replenisment nodes that just give 25% of your max toughness

[broken bear]

Yea once I’m outta work

[ripe seal]

i think even with dumped mobility the stubs still get pretty good sprinting speed/up time, and I think the difference in dodge is really small

[oak bramble]

bruv what are you talking about i'm on that catachan green grow pack

it got laced with soulstones so you know the Geneseed/Wraithbone ratio is borderline heretical

[sleek jasper]

I'd still say mobility is the preferred dump since Scum's talents already give you decent dodge bonuses

[wind crane]

any good mod to track stims?

i need for chem dependency

[radiant swift]

I mean if there are no stagger breakpoints between 60% and 80% then there is no difference, but for idk if there is/isn't on any of the specifics to hive scum

[ripe seal]

scum should also have the best stamina uptime in the game, tied with psyker for fastest regen delay and most amount of stamina regened per second

[radiant swift]

do we not?

idk if it's the best on all fronts but it's pretty good

[ripe seal]

ogryn gets 4 stamina while everyone but but psyker and vet get 3, psyker with 1 and vet with 2

veteran can match the regen delay as psyker and scum but they need a node, and we still end up with more base stamina and faster regen speed

[sleek jasper]

It's probably been asked already, but is it more worthwhile to take Chem Bombs or Boom Bringer after the hotfix? I'm currently running a rampage build with the bonesaw if it matters

[north meteor]

I mean, chem nades are still broken

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-ayutha-pooja-arnold-schwarzenegger-heroes-gif-hollywood-gif-13768401820019360728

[radiant swift]

boom bringer is very fun now

[ripe seal]

though I think scum lacks a stamina node which some other classes get, those classes still end up less than to equal what we have innately

[radiant swift]

tox blinders and chem nades are just nuts though

[deep birch]

hey! i just wanted to check in if anyone knows if there are any further buffs/hotfixes on the way for hive scum? idk if i am doing something wrong but especially on havoc - i feel the support anti-corruption stim spamming build does the best but it feels squishier than psyker while doing less damage albeit yes providing more utility but then again, shroudfield or even book zealot can feel stronger

[obsidian crown]

Chem is the worse one in my opinion but all are super strong compared to other classes

[ripe seal]

boom bringer feels better now, more consisant for rager/crusher hordes, but chem has more skill synergy and better anti horde

[lilac schooner]

I feel like the pull out time is so long thogh

[rare stirrup]

its just a mid build

[deep birch]

what would you recommend?

[hallow raft]

https://youtu.be/6jNQDKVnlbk

[winter galleon]

What curios running on desperado build currently 2 tough 1 hp but thinijng replace the hp with a stam

[rare stirrup]

desperado is meta rn

[radiant swift]

100% not a reactive blitz

good for removing issues before they happen though

[north meteor]

Chem is the best one, is it not? like its definitely the most OP

[deep birch]

yea, that's the only one i haven't tried yet. rampage feels weak too

[rare stirrup]

it is

[obsidian crown]

Nah I rank it pocket sand > rocket > chem nades.

[lilac schooner]

Rampage feels good in the psykanium at least

[ripe seal]

i think all the blitzes are good, I just either spam my blackout nades without getting much done with them or I end up never getting around to using them, but that's more on me

[rare stirrup]

rampage is plenty good, it's just not groundbreaking

[manic wolf]

This one is instant, the other captone on this tree applies to coherency regen, the other instant example is from burst of energy

[lilac schooner]

3 shots crushers and can kill the whole pack

[north meteor]

if this is by measure of fun, I'd still put rocket last

[lilac schooner]

with shivs

[ripe seal]

it kinda depends on what you want the most, and I think stun nades kinda fill a gap in the class more than the other two

[obsidian crown]

Measure of effectiveness

Watch. Meta will shift from chem to rocket

Once people figure out how busted rocket really is

[manic wolf]

Absolutely it will and it should too

Rocket isnt really busted, but it fills a really important niche

[ripe seal]

nice mixed horde clear from the chem nade is nice but I feel like they already have nice tools for that, I think the main thing bringing the chem nade up is the amount of synergy it has

i haven't had a c hance to use it much but I feel like with the amount of buffs the rocket has, you can maybe get away with only having it get 2 charges base?

[obsidian crown]

It’s 3 base. 4 with extra blitz node

[ripe seal]

range and damage is the main thing I felt it needed

[obsidian crown]

Did you not…try it recently?

[north meteor]

Im excited to try blinders though. Especially since they regen

[radiant swift]

tox blinders are very funny

[ripe seal]

it used to have 2 charges, now they buffed it to 3, I'm saying they could probably go back to just giving it 2 charges again

[obsidian crown]

They buffed range and damage too…

Bro.

Try it.

[ripe seal]

bro are you not listening to me, I have, I'm saying the buffs to range and damage was all it needed

[manic wolf]

I dont think it has any synergy at all personally. You'll get 15% toughness back for each enemy that dies with in its sphere of influence, but thats about it, and its area denial, its not targeted, so its inherently weaker than Zook in practical terms

[sleek jasper]

Rampage can do work if you're going for a crit or DoT build. I've basically made a bootleg Vermintide Slayer with it by upping my attack speed and crit. If you run bonesaw you can strip most the armor off enemies in a few seconds in brittleness mode

[obsidian crown]

Your wording doesn’t say this. But all right

[high wave]

I maybe overlooking it in the pinned section, but what blessings to we want on a needler?

[ripe seal]

chem build has 4 different skills to benefit from chem stuff

[obsidian crown]

The way you worded it sounded like you felt it needs more range and damage

[radiant swift]

currently using stripped down and pointblank but I use it as a sidearm

[ripe seal]

I said that of all the changes it got, the damage and range one was the only one I felt like it needed so they could probably be fine giving it 2 charges again

[manic wolf]

any synergy the chem grenade offers can be given by the saw, or even Coated Weapon or Pocket toxin Blinders. Chem nades are, in my book, super low value vs the alternatives

[ripe seal]

yes, that is what I said, and i'm glad they gave it more damage and range

[lilac ermine]

All the blitz is good

[snow wraith]

are the dual pistols viable?From what i am seeing everyone is using the autopistols instead

[ripe seal]

it needed more damage and range, they gave it more damage and range, in a good spot now

[trim wind]

Pistols are good, autos are just a step above

[obsidian crown]

#hivescum-class message

That range though.

[manic wolf]

Autopistols are less demanding from the player for thier damage output, Stubbers require better positioning and are gonna be less popular by default, they're just as viable

[ripe seal]

yeah, there's for sure advantages to both but I think autos overall wins out

[winter galleon]

I like the stubbies but i dont like spamming my mouse like i am doing meth irl

[manic wolf]

FullAuto mod

[ripe seal]

I don't know base numbers but I think the pistols end up with a much better crit uptime assuming they get some crit strings, and while extra reload is always nice I feel like you can get away with not running the reload blessing compared to the autos

[manic wolf]

Enjoy not having to click like a madman

[trim wind]

I take em for a spin when in the mood, but yea autos just easier on the finger

[ripe seal]

i got a full auto macro on my mouse, that helps alot

[sleek jasper]

They're incredibly ammo efficient and take out packs of gunners quickly. The special is basically a more finicky combat shotgun slug round.

[crude swallow]

gdamn ping from the past 😄

[brittle sierra]

DP are probably one of the worst weapons Ill be honest

[trim wind]

Stubs reload slower i find

[ripe seal]

you could also go the classic counter strike route and bind your shot key to your scroll wheel like people would use for the akimbo pistols, though that doesn't work quite the same for melee

[manic wolf]

Stubs are notably better vs elites and specials, but worse during horde clear, they have better cleave tho, so positioning and using chokes is rewarded more, both are equally viable tho, pick what you prefer

[ripe seal]

stubs have an objectively faster reload

the special on the pistols does feel gret once you get the hang of it but yeah the shotgun slug does feel easier to use

[brittle sierra]

alt attack is also horrific

it don't one shot anything except bombers and snipers, even if you crit

u have to crit and hit the weakspot

[crude swallow]

eh. i need longer weapon with poison, so i can spread che... i mean emperor soap on bigger number of enemies with each swing

[ancient shore]

The Penance for stim dependency. Is it 1000 seconds in total through matches or do you need to do 1000 seconds in one match?

[manic wolf]

On Stubs? Im sorry, but no, crits let you one shot Gunners, Snipers are easy one shot headshots, so are Bombers

[crude swallow]

total

[brittle sierra]

yes, alt attack needs like a 25% damage buff

[ripe seal]

I'm pretty sure the special fire can 1 shot a decent amount of things and at worse take 2 shots on some of the beefier specials/elites based on rending and their health

[winter galleon]

Used to be one match but was changed for the obvious reason

[brittle sierra]

there is almost no reason to use it

[trim wind]

Looking cool is the only reason you need

[brittle sierra]

it does improve accuracy, so you can maybe justify it for snipers

[sleek jasper]

For me it's the timing on making the shot and the camera bob. I feel like it would be better if you could charge up the shot and hold it, but that might just be my own problem

[snow wraith]

didnt knew the special does more damage, i thought its only a way to style on your enemies and make it easier to aim at range

[trim wind]

I think autos are definitely stronger but calling stubs bad is a stretch

[oak bramble]

I CANT STOP PLAYING WITH THE AUTOPISTOLS

[ancient shore]

Okay cool I was thinking it was in one match and I was like here we go again a challenging challenge like when the game lunched

[oak bramble]

PLS SEND HELP

[ripe seal]

the special has a way better headshot multiplyer, not sure if crits are effected

[brittle sierra]

the best range weapon on scum by far is Vraks 5

Like it is the reason why Scum is terrifying in Havocs

[limber cradle]

Tbh I do not like Vraks IAG as much as DAPs

[manic wolf]

:/

[trim wind]

Unfortunately it's not as cool as two uzis so I'll never use it

[ripe seal]

i also do find that if you spam the special button, you keep spinning the guns and the aiming stays consistent so its easier to land those headshots, but its also slower than doing it ont he first spin

[ancient shore]

It is difficult to switch to something else

[manic wolf]

1700 one shots from range arent valuable

[sleek jasper]

It does more damage and has higher stagger potential. Like the slug round if you don't kill it, you'll at least stagger/knock it down

[limber cradle]

I get that it's good but it doesn't feel as good movement wise

[limber cradle]

Yeah like, I can just play Vraks vet

[brittle sierra]

that was a crit headshot

[obsidian crown]

The main differentiator for me from vraks and Uzis is the run and gun

[ripe seal]

using the trick shot in close range against like a rager feels cool but its also harder to land than just unloading center of mass

[limber cradle]

Big same, and I love runnin and gunnin

[oak bramble]

are you suggesting to aim at something else other the head

[crude swallow]

i can't even imagine how to do it. it's 17 minutes of being on stim. i guess you need the one that have lowest cd (mean almost not effect) and just popping it nonstop

[obsidian crown]

Mobility is king in this game tbh

[manic wolf]

Yes, and you can achieve one shot headshots on Snipers and Bombers without crit, but crit lets you dumpster up to Gunners

[ripe seal]

yeah, I ran gun scum with the vraks and I missed the sprint and shoot built in

[obsidian crown]

That said, both are super strong options

[sleek jasper]

If you take Run 'n' Gun it feels way better. You can run in and headshot a whole elite pack while keeping pace

[limber cradle]

Vraks IAG doesnt have RnG

[ripe seal]

not many guns do

[brittle sierra]

I literally said that: #hivescum-class message

[sleek jasper]

My bad, thought you meant the dual stubs

[limber cradle]

Is okay

[brittle sierra]

u dont need run and gun if you are constantly sliding

in fact, the strength of run and gun is the tighter spread

[obsidian crown]

Feels like vrak would work better in havocs since it’s slower paced as far as moving with team goes

[brittle sierra]

not the shooting and running

[obsidian crown]

In aurics, you can just press w and delete map

With Uzis

[ripe seal]

i feel ok without the tighter spread of run and gun, its the sprint and shoot ability and close range damage I feel more of

[brittle sierra]

uzi has horrific damage after 20 meters

so I can't get used to it, the Vraks just is too storng

[manic wolf]

Right, but why do you need that extra damage? Its exclusively for those sort of targets? On my current build I can one shot Flamers too at 5 stacks of Vulture lmao

[brittle sierra]

I'm not going to roll with a special attack every time I want to kill a high priority target

[frigid thorn]

If you run Vraks and desperado, are you aiming down sights or firing from the hip?

[manic wolf]

Buffing the spin shot doesnt do anything functionally useful for the weapon given it can already remove the targets you need to at range

[limber cradle]

Depends on how close the enemy is

[brittle sierra]

so it is useless, that is what I was saying from the beginning

[limber cradle]

The spin shot ime is entirely there for style and to hit that sniper that spawned across the map in the forehead

[frigid thorn]

Do you still want to take Sticky Hands on the Vraks, or nah lol

[dim moth]

I like the spin shot because it makes me feel cool :)

[limber cradle]

Imo nah

[gentle gyro]

does chemical dependency work with the stim box or no?

[brittle sierra]

yes

[upbeat lynx]

yes

[gentle gyro]

thanks guys

[manic wolf]

Then don't. If you're playing them as a main weapon you can literally run at targets from distance and hold down the trigger. An no, its not useless, it still extendes the range of the weapon, you're just not forced to use it in 80% of occasions (because the maps aren't big enough to warrant it)

[brittle sierra]

I did say that the only usecase I can see it being useful is a long distance sniper, but that is about it

[ripe seal]

the special is enough to 1 tap bombers, trappers, shotgunners, and I think flamers depending on how you build your gun, and 2 tap ragers and guns, that's pretty good

[brittle sierra]

but I wish it actually had better breakpoints

[brittle sierra]

it does not one shot shotgunners

[manic wolf]

Thats just what its been put in there for 🤷‍♂️

[limber cradle]

The pistols kinda feel like ass above damnation with their breakpoints imo

[manic wolf]

I would rather that than the stupid bash the DAPs get

[brittle sierra]

I think it should be able to oneshot all unarmored elites at the very least

[manic wolf]

Nah, they're still peng beyond Damn, Ive been out-damaging Purga Psykers with them for a while, they just ask more of the player

[ripe seal]

i need to clear up space so I can make a clip in steam, but i'm literally 1 tapping shotgunners on auric right now in the grinder, i've done so in game

[limber cradle]

I want them to one tap more things to the head tbh

[brittle sierra]

is it a crit?

u cannot body shot a shotgunner I tested it yesterday

you need a crit to do it

[obsidian crown]

You can body shot a gunner

[lilac ermine]

If the pistols can kill crushers in few hit it will be good

[obsidian crown]

You just won’t kill it

[brittle sierra]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[ripe seal]

with a headshot, the whole point of the special shot is that it gives you perfect accuracy a big finesse modifier

[ornate sorrel]

what wisdom

[brittle sierra]

yeah that's what I said

you need a headshot/crit to kill them

[manic wolf]

They two shot Ragers with no Crits on a setup built around them...

How much more do you want.

[brittle sierra]

actually, what they could do is make the alt attack a 100% crit

that can fix breakpoint issues

[limber cradle]

I want to one tap heavy gunners to the head.

[obsidian crown]

I need my dakka dakka dose

[manic wolf]

Yeah that aint gonna ever happen lul

[ripe seal]

and being able to 1 shot a fair amount of the specials/elites from any distance with a single well placed headshot with a gun that's good at spamming up close is strong

[manic wolf]

They'd instantly become the most ammo efficient weapons the class has at that point lul

[obsidian crown]

All guns are ammo efficient

On hive

[limber cradle]

I should just say fuck it and use the pistols on a desp build even if I consider them sub optimal cause they're by far my favorite ranged unique for scum

[ripe seal]

I fucking thought that you were thinking that the special fire couldn't 1 tap enemies in general, saying its bad because it can't do that with a bodyshot is somehow even more asinine

[brittle sierra]

I mean this is the reason why the helbore is the hardest gun in the game to master

I would love to see people giving me stat sheets of how many headshots they actually land in a real game 💀

[leaden fable]

Zarona revolver would be in shambles if the dual wielded stubbers were hitting all the same break points with faster reload and bigger clip

[limber cradle]

I used to be really good at it when I mained Agri IAG tbh

[obsidian crown]

I can’t remember

[limber cradle]

Headshots in this game arent so bad ime

[obsidian crown]

But does hive have speargun

[limber cradle]

The bolter?

[manic wolf]

I have done and I dont find there to be overall much difference between them or Shredder/DAP's, they have better elite and special TTK an trade that for worse horde clear, only not that much worse because they actually have cleave. Just ask more of you for positioning.

[tropic crag]

so i can't tell if this is one of the hottest takes i've had or just a moment of clarity but.... I think that the Hivescum, once you have a good foundation built up on darktides "automatic" mechanical skills, is probably the most brain dead class because it rewards the basic movement skills and attack patterns so heavily. Like i'm regularly just pressing W and left click spam into rager hordes and coming out the other side without much or any damage without dodging a single time.

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

The big dick dmg one

[limber cradle]

Nah, only bolt pistols

[obsidian crown]

That would be so busted if they did have spear

[brittle sierra]

nah, that's Psyker

[limber cradle]

If Scum had the bolter I'd use it with desperado like OG exe stance

[tropic crag]

that being said i love a good brain dead class, i'm just saying i think the skill curve on the hive scum is weird, it goes from a very high skill floor to a very low skill ceiling

[limber cradle]

When it autoloaded your gun on vet

[bronze glade]

Honestly bistol is pretty good with desperado

I like it

More than using DAP desperado

[obsidian crown]

Nah I think it has both a high skill floor and ceiling

[rare stirrup]

Dios mio..... Scum with a bolter would go hard

[manic wolf]

Melee Scum, yes, not ranged Scum tho

[obsidian crown]

There’s “bad HS”, average HS, above average and 1-5%’ers

[leaden fable]

The fun factor is pretty huge with them I agree

[ripe seal]

the special is made for 1 tapping elites/specials at a distance so their movement is pretty predicable, at close range you just unload on them but from 15 or more meters away you get that leway to line up a shot, the main problem comes with trying to chain headshots in quick succession which is hard but feels great

[obsidian crown]

Nah I think ranged has a high skill ceiling as well but it’s hard to explain

[tropic crag]

I think its so rewarding of basic fundementals that if you have those down its just autopilot mode the class, because even the melee version can get infinite sprint dodging so you never get caught out by gunners like the other classes

i also only play the melee version atm because guns are boring to me

[limber cradle]

DAPs and Needle don't have a lot of fun factor for me tbh, they just have the dopamine release of "wow I just killed a lot of things really fast"

[manic wolf]

Being immune to 80% or more of the threats throughout a mission does not equate to a high skill ceiling. It just doesn't

[limber cradle]

Like Vraks IAG isn't fun but it is good ime

[wind crane]

any mods to track stimms cd?

[rare stirrup]

Being able to dodge melee attacks is the peak of desperado skill expression

[tropic crag]

yeah thats how i'm feeling... the last match i played i even got overheaded 4 times by maulers and blown up by 5 bursters and never went down

[rare stirrup]

Yes

[tropic crag]

melee scum is TANKY

[obsidian crown]

I meant as far as drawing out full potential for maximum DPS but let’s be real, most desperados still floor POV. I keep seeing pubs dying

Over

And over

[novel oracle]

yea

[sturdy linden]

Regular or explodey?

[leaden fable]

Eh I have more fun with dap than iag or the needle

[bronze glade]

Explodey

[wind crane]

which?

[bronze glade]

Good horde clear

[sturdy linden]

Interesting

What blessings and perks?

[ripe seal]

DAPs is just dopamine farming since spam is fun but it’s a really brain dead type of fun, I enjoy the special fire on the stubs because of that

[bronze glade]

Very safe to use

[tropic crag]

i agree with you there is alot to draw out of the class, i think most of the difficulties in the game dont' warrent it... at least in auric going to peak dps on the class is extreme overkill i think

[limber cradle]

DAP are more fun than both cause of the mobility and stylish nature of the guns, but the .45s are more fun than the DAPs for me.

[obsidian crown]

Like target priority, positioning, etc

[bronze glade]

Idr prob flakyielding glory hunter and lethal prox

[obsidian crown]

It matters way more in havoc than aurics

[manic wolf]

Yes, but in the hands of a competant player Desperado/VD setups are utterly gamebreaking. You might as well be the only thing on the map that has a gun. Dodging melee is something melee builds have to do as well, but they also have to close the gap on ranged enemies without getting shredded. Ranged builds can just run headfirst into any ranged blob and suffer no downside for doing so

[tropic crag]

yeah but i still think scum escapes punishment alot by just keeping up automatic mechanical practices like dodge movement and sprint movement

[leaden fable]

Yeah I think the stubbers are possibly more fun but it depends on the build, it's rough on the wrist if you're running desperado

[tropic crag]

honestly? rampage/chem also can run into any bloob and suffer no downsides with the infinite sprint dodge

[limber cradle]

Idk man I'm a capital G Gamer tbh, my wrists don't hurt when I have to click a lot.

[manic wolf]

Ehh, not to the same degree

[obsidian crown]

But you still gotta dodge melee enemies. Like you gotta be smart in havocs. Like I said before, I feel like maybe only 10% of this community can utilize desperado to its fullest potential. And I might be too generous with that estimate

[limber cradle]

Yeah fuck it

Fuck the IAG, fuck the DAP, I'm a pistol gamer now

[leaden fable]

I used to be that guy but I sprained a wrist at work and it's just not the same lol

[tropic crag]

maybe i'm too use to playing every other class melee only so thats why i feel that way, but melee scum, to me, feels safer than arby tbh

[obsidian crown]

It is

[limber cradle]

Melee scum feels about as safe as arby to me tbh specifically cause of Precision Violence

[tropic crag]

like the only reason's i've been dying lately is zoning out too much and eating too many overheads so one hits me without all the dr and stuff up... or being blown off bridges and things

in auric at least, havok kills you in all sorts of ways

[manic wolf]

The thing is tho, if this class is designed for, say the top 5% of players, which does seem to be the intent, then immunity to ranged still makes no sense, if you're that good then dodging melee and ranged should'nt be a problem to make the most of a ranged build. Im all for the "I can play ranged all game" playstyle with infinite ammo, but it feels cheapened a whole lot by essentially ignoring incoming gunfire

[limber cradle]

I'm dying lately cause I'm a sleepy lad and I play this game too late

[tropic crag]

yeah i think its overkill and they could rework that node into something more fun

[obsidian crown]

You’re discounting half of the enemies

[tropic crag]

me at my last game at 2am this morning

[obsidian crown]

Have you actually played h40

[wet heath]

Wait, is this bugged for everyone?

[tropic crag]

we should never really bring havok into balance talks, because its now how the classes themselves are really designed

[manic wolf]

50% DR vs ranged with 2.5% toughness regen per second whilst ult is active and straight up removing Vulture's Dodge would be the way to go about it imo

[obsidian crown]

@manic wolf

[wind crane]

which one?

[tropic crag]

thats what i meant by rework the node, change it to something thats not VD at all and something more fun

it could even be a meme node lol

[manic wolf]

That compounds with Tis but a Scratch, but you can still make catastrophic fuckups and pay for it, as opposed to what it is now, yeah

[manic wolf]

Yes, I have

[obsidian crown]

With desperado?

Let’s see the stats

[manic wolf]

Not with that no, but I'm more than capable of extrapolating why its broken in any mode

[obsidian crown]

Try it

[tropic crag]

and again using h40 as a balancing point is really really really not the way to go about it

the game is mostly balanced around auric at this point

[limber cradle]

Havoc was a got dang mistake man

[manic wolf]

No thanks, Ive done all I want with Havoc. It was shit when I playtested it for Fatshark, and its just as shit now

[wet heath]

Desynch weren't you the one trashtalking me for desperado build?

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[obsidian crown]

Who the fuck are you

Anyways

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/hah-righttt-yeah-right-whatever-you-say-ok-gif-16175049

[obsidian crown]

Just saying it’s not as “press one button and live forever” as you think it is in havocs.

[manic wolf]

I dont see the tester frame on you lad.

[wet heath]

Ah yes it was you

[manic wolf]

It kinda is tho.

[arctic imp]

Has anybody been making use of the backstab node? What do you think of it? I didn’t think it’d be any good considering the angle for a backstab is so small and hive scum don’t have invis

[tropic crag]

but it is closer to that than basically any other class and other classes don't take such extremes to start needing to fight

[manic wolf]

And since when were we using the most inherently unbalanced mode as the yardstick for character balance anyway.

[obsidian crown]

Again. Who the fuck are you?

[wet heath]

You're entitled one, huh

[obsidian crown]

Seems like you’re the one who didn’t take the holy trinity node from your screenshot

Like what does that have to do with current convo

[wet heath]

Yes and I did completely fine on havoc 40

[obsidian crown]

Sure

[tropic crag]

the big hurdle of scum is just being good at the basics of the game, past that its just a fun class with more than a few different things overtuned

[arctic imp]

Oh lord I’ll ask later I didn’t realize this was happening

[wet heath]

?

[tropic crag]

like i would say this class is alot more op than arby ever was... but some other classes have been as op before tbh

[obsidian crown]

That doesn’t say anything. Let’s see the h40 stats

[woeful trellis]

you have to press 2 buttons, ability and fire

[obsidian crown]

For all I know, you got carried

[wet heath]

what stats

[obsidian crown]

Scoreboard

[wet heath]

I don't have that mod